Kusanagi Does Not Mean Oro is Serious

Arthas · 04-06-2006, 12:33 AM

Sorry for posting yet another Kusanagi thread guys but I have read a lot in these forums by various people stating that just because Orochimaru takes out Kusanagi it means he is taking a battle seriously. This is mostly used by certain members to prove that Orochimaru was giving it his all against 4-tailed Naruto. I am not going to state a lot about THAT fight but I do want to prove that just because Oro takes out Kusanagi does not mean he is giving a fight his all.

THe first time we see Oro take out Kusanagi is in chapter 120:
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...o&PhotoID=2507
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http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...o&PhotoID=2508

Looking at the above Oro basically takes out Kusanagi as a response to Enma. He only uses it to block an attack he could easily have made the 1st and 2nd Hokages block for him. Afterwards he casually licks his sword and relaxes. He is in no way worried or fully into the fight here. He still believes that his Edo Tensai will win the day.

Orochimaru did become serious once his Edo Tensai was countered and Sarutobi grasped him with the death god's hand. However once he was being held by the death god his normal jutsu would not work, he could only use the Kusanagi to attack the Sandaime.

Proof:

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...o&PhotoID=2627

As you can see from the above Oro did try to use a jutsu other then Kusanagi. For some reason though it did not work and Kusanagi was the only thing available to him.

The second time we see Oro use Kusanagi is to try to kill Naruto during the Sannin fight. Here I fully agree that he is seriously trying to kill Naruto however he is using Kusanagi not *because* he is serious but rather because it is the only thing that is instantly fatal that he can use. His arms are sealed (no jutsus), feet not lethal enough, Teeth might kill if targets the neck but messy, unreliable and takes time. The best and simplest method is *drumroll* Kusanagi.

Third time we see Oro use Kusanagi was against 4 tailed Naruto. The topic of whether he was fighting Naruto fully has been debated & debated & debated. So I am not going to touch it.

Fourth use of Kusanagi is after the battle with Naruto against Sai's Ink Bushin. Does anyone believe that Orochimaru regarded Sai as someone to become worried up over? Kusanagi was use to make a point, not because Oro regarded Sai as a strong opponent.

ilabb · 04-06-2006, 12:48 AM

My memory may be a little foggy, but compare the Kusanagi to the sword that pierced Sai's bunshin. To me, it looks a lot like a different sword altogether.

wtf did Orochimaru sign a blood contract with the sword boss or what?

~~Last of the Uchihas~~ · 04-06-2006, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Arthas

Sorry for posting yet another Kusanagi thread guys but I have read a lot in these forums by various people stating that just because Orochimaru takes out Kusanagi it means he is taking a battle seriously. This is mostly used by certain members to prove that Orochimaru was giving it his all against 4-tailed Naruto. I am not going to state a lot about THAT fight but I do want to prove that just because Oro takes out Kusanagi does not mean he is giving a fight his all.

THe first time we see Oro take out Kusanagi is in chapter 120:
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...o&PhotoID=2507
&
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...o&PhotoID=2508

Looking at the above Oro basically takes out Kusanagi as a response to Enma. He only uses it to block an attack he could easily have made the 1st and 2nd Hokages block for him. Afterwards he casually licks his sword and relaxes. He is in no way worried or fully into the fight here. He still believes that his Edo Tensai will win the day.

Orochimaru did become serious once his Edo Tensai was countered and Sarutobi grasped him with the death god's hand. However once he was being held by the death god his normal jutsu would not work, he could only use the Kusanagi to attack the Sandaime.

Proof:

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...o&PhotoID=2627

As you can see from the above Oro did try to use a jutsu other then Kusanagi. For some reason though it did not work and Kusanagi was the only thing available to him.

The second time we see Oro use Kusanagi is to try to kill Naruto during the Sannin fight. Here I fully agree that he is seriously trying to kill Naruto however he is using Kusanagi not *because* he is serious but rather because it is the only thing that is instantly fatal that he can use. His arms are sealed (no jutsus), feet not lethal enough, Teeth might kill if targets the neck but messy, unreliable and takes time. The best and simplest method is *drumroll* Kusanagi.

Third time we see Oro use Kusanagi was against 4 tailed Naruto. The topic of whether he was fighting Naruto fully has been debated & debated & debated. So I am not going to touch it.

Fourth use of Kusanagi is after the battle with Naruto against Sai's Ink Bushin. Does anyone believe that Orochimaru regarded Sai as someone to become worried up over? Kusanagi was use to make a point, not because Oro regarded Sai as a strong opponent.

It doesn't matter.

Even if Oro say he was playing around, or uses any jutsu, for those tards, it meant that Oro was serious.

In fact, we know Oro's personality, and he play around with people, as seen

Against Team 7, Anko, Kakashi, Sandaime, Jiraiya, Tsunade, and now MK.

SaLeX · 04-06-2006, 01:01 AM

well the fact that Oro said uh oh my life is in danger i better kill him makes me think he was some what serious

LazyShinobi · 04-06-2006, 01:08 AM

I thought people were saying that the attack Orochimaru made with the Kusanagi was a serious strike? Overall though, it does appear Orochimaru was not really going all out.

Akechi · 04-06-2006, 01:10 AM

Even if Orochimaru's intent to use the kusanagi wasn't serious.

He fled the battle...

Gallic Rush · 04-06-2006, 01:15 AM

Arthas, if the fight with the Yondaime was not serious then what in the world constitutes a serious fight in your mind?

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For some reason though it did not work and Kusanagi was the only thing available to him.

This sort of means that things were getting serious and he needed Kusanagi...

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rather because it is the only thing that is instantly fatal that he can use.

If he is in such trouble that a quick and easy kill is needed, I'm guessing again that it means he's serious. It is pretty clear that he doesn't use his indestructible sword for just any occaision. His normal sword (from the mouth) is not Kusanagi btw. It's just a sword.

Cthulhu-versailles · 04-06-2006, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Akechi

Even if Orochimaru's intent to use the kusanagi wasn't serious.

He fled the battle...

...Due to extenuating circumstances.

Oro never saw it as a battle, it was a game to him the whole time. He stated this himself. He wanted to evaluate his body, and thus messed around and then when he decided the fun was over left.

akuma11 · 04-06-2006, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Adminstrator of the Uchihas

It doesn't matter.

Even if Oro say he was playing around, or uses any jutsu, for those tards, it meant that Oro was serious.

In fact, we know Oro's personality, and he play around with people, as seen

Against Team 7, Anko, Kakashi, Sandaime, Jiraiya, Tsunade, and now MK.

Oh yeah Oro never takes a battle seriously. He always plays around with his opponents even if his ass is a inch closer from death.

Akechi · 04-06-2006, 01:58 AM

Just because he's the main bad guy (so far) does not mean he is a god. He can, and will die by the end of the series. The only reason he hasn't thus far is plot.

If Orochimaru was just introduced that chapter before the fight, and wasn't intended to be a final villain he would have died..

But, fact is, he fled and almost died. He's not about to bow down before a 15 year old who releases his chakra wastefully. He doesn't respect Naruto, he won't give him the satisfaction of letting him or anyone else know he was beaten, badly.

BloodyMagnus · 04-06-2006, 03:09 AM

He exhausted his current container. How did he do it? By using high lvl chakra draining jutsus to defend and freaking regenerate himself. After that he was good as dead if not for plot reasons. What else could he do against KN4, give him the finger?

LazyShinobi · 04-06-2006, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BloodyMagnus

He exhausted his current container. How did he do it? By using high lvl chakra draining jutsus to defend and freaking regenerate himself. After that he was good as dead if not for plot reasons. What else could he do against KN4, give him the finger?

Giving Naruto the finger would have been quite catastrophic for Naruto, Orochimaru, Kishimoto, and any young readers of the Shonen Manga.

Rangamaru · 04-06-2006, 03:14 AM

Isn't it funny how everyone is serious except Oro and Itachi?<---sarcasm. I guess kn4 wasn't serious and the third wasn't serious either. Konohamaru wasn't serious when he ambushed the third. He was just playing with him. Hell, we all know naruto's raman plays with him as well--it likes being eaten, and it could whoop any ninja that it faces. Imagine that, wet noodle vs. Sasuke and neji. Who would win? we will never know because it plays with them and hops in their stomachs voluntarily.

LazyShinobi · 04-06-2006, 03:16 AM

If the noodles willed, they could suffocate the one attempting to consume them. That's genius.

Crush Dance · 04-06-2006, 03:19 AM

Kusanagi is a finishing move. Haven't you ever played final fantasy or anything?

The final bosses alays have some unique technique they use to show off and be a finishing blow. Same thing with Kusanagi except that it can extend. Orochimaru had every intention of killing Naruto, its as simple as that. Just like how Jiraiya has spines of the underworld and Tsunade has Genesis rebirth its the same for oro. Its there "1337" moves.

SaLeX · 04-06-2006, 03:28 AM

most of the time you see Oro or Itachi fight they arent serious or have some handicap and thats done to hide their true power to amaze us later on. But in the MK vs Oro fight you can say Oro was messing around or you can say he was serious either way he got beat, his body was falling apart on him and he couldnt battle any longer. That is Oro being beat in its finest

Rangamaru · 04-06-2006, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SaLeX

most of the time you see Oro or Itachi fight they arent serious or have some handicap and thats done to hide their true power to amaze us later on. But in the MK vs Oro fight you can say Oro was messing around or you can say he was serious either way he got beat, his body was falling apart on him and he couldnt battle any longer. That is Oro being beat in its finest

Yeah, but he came ready to fight Sasori--and he was confident he could kill him. If his body fell apart just "playing" with naruto, then what would have happened if he faced sasori? He would have been pulled apart unless mk4>sasori, which even I know isn't the case. Sasori>>>mk4. So either he was fighting seriously or sasori>>>oro.

BloodyMagnus · 04-06-2006, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rangamaru

Yeah, but he came ready to fight Sasori--and he was confident he could kill him. If his body fell apart just "playing" with naruto, then what would have happened if he faced sasori? He would have been pulled apart unless mk4>sasori, which even I know isn't the case. Sasori>>>mk4. So either he was fighting seriously or sasori>>>oro.

What does Sasori have that Oro doesnt that gives him the ablility to actually hurt NK4? Can his puppets or the iron sand penetrate KN4's blood shield?

zgnoud · 04-06-2006, 03:47 AM

though i am a fan of Sasori, i do not however believe Sasori >>>mk4.
If Oro Kusanagi cant even pierce mk4, what good are Sasori's projectiles?, and Sasori's battle tactics and powers come from his use of poison.
Lets not forget mk4 incredible regen ability also... Sasori would likely to do worse than Oro did to mk4 - however this does not mean i agree with the "Oro > Sasori argument" cause this is still debateable.

Rangamaru · 04-06-2006, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BloodyMagnus

What does Sasori have that Oro doesnt that gives him the ablility to actually hurt NK4? Can his puppets or the iron sand penetrate KN4's blood shield?

What part of my argument are you responding to? I can't make a response because I'm ot sure what you arguing.

04-06-2006, 12:33 AM	#1
Arthas Anko's Lover Jounin Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,777	Kusanagi Does Not Mean Oro is Serious Sorry for posting yet another Kusanagi thread guys but I have read a lot in these forums by various people stating that just because Orochimaru takes out Kusanagi it means he is taking a battle seriously. This is mostly used by certain members to prove that Orochimaru was giving it his all against 4-tailed Naruto. I am not going to state a lot about THAT fight but I do want to prove that just because Oro takes out Kusanagi does not mean he is giving a fight his all. THe first time we see Oro take out Kusanagi is in chapter 120: http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...o&PhotoID=2507 & http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...o&PhotoID=2508 Looking at the above Oro basically takes out Kusanagi as a response to Enma. He only uses it to block an attack he could easily have made the 1st and 2nd Hokages block for him. Afterwards he casually licks his sword and relaxes. He is in no way worried or fully into the fight here. He still believes that his Edo Tensai will win the day. Orochimaru did become serious once his Edo Tensai was countered and Sarutobi grasped him with the death god's hand. However once he was being held by the death god his normal jutsu would not work, he could only use the Kusanagi to attack the Sandaime. Proof: http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...o&PhotoID=2627 As you can see from the above Oro did try to use a jutsu other then Kusanagi. For some reason though it did not work and Kusanagi was the only thing available to him. The second time we see Oro use Kusanagi is to try to kill Naruto during the Sannin fight. Here I fully agree that he is seriously trying to kill Naruto however he is using Kusanagi not because he is serious but rather because it is the only thing that is instantly fatal that he can use. His arms are sealed (no jutsus), feet not lethal enough, Teeth might kill if targets the neck but messy, unreliable and takes time. The best and simplest method is drumroll Kusanagi. Third time we see Oro use Kusanagi was against 4 tailed Naruto. The topic of whether he was fighting Naruto fully has been debated & debated & debated. So I am not going to touch it. Fourth use of Kusanagi is after the battle with Naruto against Sai's Ink Bushin. Does anyone believe that Orochimaru regarded Sai as someone to become worried up over? Kusanagi was use to make a point, not because Oro regarded Sai as a strong opponent.

04-06-2006, 01:01 AM	#4
SaLeX QUOTE ME QUOTE ME Chuunin Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 265	well the fact that Oro said uh oh my life is in danger i better kill him makes me think he was some what serious __________________ Join The Naruto Online Multiplayer Game Naruto-Arena.com

04-06-2006, 01:08 AM	#5
LazyShinobi Doesn't want a Custom Title Genin Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 190	I thought people were saying that the attack Orochimaru made with the Kusanagi was a serious strike? Overall though, it does appear Orochimaru was not really going all out. __________________

04-06-2006, 03:09 AM	#11
BloodyMagnus Chaotic Mage Academy Student Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 35	He exhausted his current container. How did he do it? By using high lvl chakra draining jutsus to defend and freaking regenerate himself. After that he was good as dead if not for plot reasons. What else could he do against KN4, give him the finger? __________________

04-06-2006, 03:16 AM	#14
LazyShinobi Doesn't want a Custom Title Genin Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 190	If the noodles willed, they could suffocate the one attempting to consume them. That's genius. __________________

04-06-2006, 01:10 AM	#6
Akechi Durdedur Jounin Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,675	Even if Orochimaru's intent to use the kusanagi wasn't serious. He fled the battle...

04-06-2006, 01:58 AM	#10
Akechi Durdedur Jounin Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,675	Just because he's the main bad guy (so far) does not mean he is a god. He can, and will die by the end of the series. The only reason he hasn't thus far is plot. If Orochimaru was just introduced that chapter before the fight, and wasn't intended to be a final villain he would have died.. But, fact is, he fled and almost died. He's not about to bow down before a 15 year old who releases his chakra wastefully. He doesn't respect Naruto, he won't give him the satisfaction of letting him or anyone else know he was beaten, badly.

04-06-2006, 03:14 AM	#13
Rangamaru Obito Killed The Uchiha Clan ANBU Captain Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pwning fanboys since 99' Posts: 1,899	Isn't it funny how everyone is serious except Oro and Itachi?<---sarcasm. I guess kn4 wasn't serious and the third wasn't serious either. Konohamaru wasn't serious when he ambushed the third. He was just playing with him. Hell, we all know naruto's raman plays with him as well--it likes being eaten, and it could whoop any ninja that it faces. Imagine that, wet noodle vs. Sasuke and neji. Who would win? we will never know because it plays with them and hops in their stomachs voluntarily.

04-06-2006, 03:28 AM	#16
SaLeX QUOTE ME QUOTE ME Chuunin Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 265	most of the time you see Oro or Itachi fight they arent serious or have some handicap and thats done to hide their true power to amaze us later on. But in the MK vs Oro fight you can say Oro was messing around or you can say he was serious either way he got beat, his body was falling apart on him and he couldnt battle any longer. That is Oro being beat in its finest __________________ Join The Naruto Online Multiplayer Game Naruto-Arena.com

04-06-2006, 03:47 AM	#19
zgnoud An Enigma ANBU Recruit Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 468	though i am a fan of Sasori, i do not however believe Sasori >>>mk4. If Oro Kusanagi cant even pierce mk4, what good are Sasori's projectiles?, and Sasori's battle tactics and powers come from his use of poison. Lets not forget mk4 incredible regen ability also... Sasori would likely to do worse than Oro did to mk4 - however this does not mean i agree with the "Oro > Sasori argument" cause this is still debateable.