Gundam wing the best?

Eevihl · 03-13-2006, 11:54 AM

Bad thread is bad.

~~tninja~~ · 03-13-2006, 11:57 AM

um i dont know i kind of like the seed series

Eevihl · 03-13-2006, 11:59 AM

seed was alright but the story got boring after awhile when the main character got all bitchy

~~tninja~~ · 03-13-2006, 12:00 PM

yeah there is that

Eevihl · 03-13-2006, 12:03 PM

whats your fav mobile suit i loved mercury and deathsythe and the dolls^_^

Kin · 03-13-2006, 12:09 PM

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gundam Wing is way better then Seed!!!!!

hey hey! >_> thats my opinion!

Seed is more for girls.. its a girlish anime, while in, Wing, only fighting!

and, hardly romantic (too bad Heero falls in love with the bitch called Relena

) xDDD but, Wing is indeed better

Eevihl · 03-13-2006, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sound-Nin Kin Tsuchi

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gundam Wing is way better then Seed!!!!!

hey hey! >_> thats my opinion!

Seed is more for girls.. its a girlish anime, while in, Wing, only fighting!

and, hardly romantic (too bad Heero falls in love with the bitch called Relena

) xDDD but, Wing is indeed better

yes seed is very panzy like^_^ wing is so much better cuz less talking and romatic crap and lots of explosions^_^lol

Raistlin-sama · 03-13-2006, 12:27 PM

I laugh at this thread. Gundam Wing is properly the worst Gundam series ever created. And really, stop comparing it only to Seed and start comparing it to some UC. Gundam 0079, 08th MS team, Gundam 0080, Gundam 0083, Zeta Gundam, ZZ Gundam, Char's counterattack, Gundam F91 and Gundam Victory are all better.

As for AU stuff, I liked Turn A Gundam (well, kind of both AU and UC), Gundam Seed, and G Gundam a lot more than Wing as well.

Eevihl · 03-13-2006, 12:36 PM

seed gundam was getting no where and g gundam was really retarted but still cool gundam wing owns all the others^_^

Raistlin-sama · 03-13-2006, 12:41 PM

And do you have any comments on the UC series? Or have you perhaps not seen them? In which case, I'd say it's quite presumptuous to say that Wing is the best Gundam series ever, considering that most of the UC series are seen as the best Gundam shows by many fans.

Mindless · 03-13-2006, 03:52 PM

I don't mean to be a flaming Wing-hater, but really, that's just crap.

Wing had it's moments, and with that I mean the gundams in it and the badguys (more specifically; Zechs and Treize). Thoes two were the ones together with Duo who made the anime interesting and good to watch sometimes.

The others? Wu Fei. In short, a supposed martial artist who speaks of fairness in fights when he's trampling down people in a robot that can hardly be damaged. Fair? Yeah right. Quatre? I don't even want to start. His character was just in the way and his Newtype-like reactions with whatever that girl with the huge eyebrows was called (Dorothy or something) were just silly. The only thing that was good with him was that he introduced you to the Maguanac Corps, who on the other hand, were a bunch of really cool guys. Heero? A cyborg more or less. Probably the most unlikeable character in the anime. He was totally devoid of feelings towards things other than when he failed his mission. I'd say he was just a puppet with little or no free will at all. I wouldn't even begin comparing him to other maincharacters in gundam animes like Kira, Kamille or Uso.

Who did I miss? Oh right, Trowa Barton of course. He was kinda cool at times, but had a pointless gundam which only seemed to run out of bullets. Other than that, he didn't add much to the story. He was a retard when he had his memories, and when he lost them, well, I can't say he got any better in that aspect. He was overshadowed by the others who made a better job (Duo, Zechs and Treize).

Did I forget anyone else? Oh well.

And I don't understand this Sound-Nin Kin Tsuchi. How can you say that SEED is more of a girly anime when the only thing Wing contained was Bishounens (= SUPER-GOOD LOOKING GUYS)? I just don't understand. Either you're blind or we didn't watch the same anime. Well, that's my two cents regarding that.

Anyway. I said I wouldn't compare Wing or Heero with other animes or characters, but I'll go ahead with it anyway to make my point.

First of all, let's take an overall look at pros and cons with both animes. I'll use Gundam Wing and Victory as examples.

Victory Gundam:

+Good story.

+Good variety of characters.

+Actually had characters that were important dying in the anime.

+Good mecha.

+Characters that had a soul and really acted like people, not robots (Heero...)

+Good badguys.

+Good cannonfodder mechs, they put up some resistance before they died. Sure, thoes mobile dolls did a great job, but then: ENTER ZERO SYSTEM.

-The main character is a little kid, but even so, he does a much better job than most of the Wing cast.

-Lame mothership name / design.

-Strange names of the different factions, not that OZ made any sense either.

Gundam Wing:

+Very nice gundam designs, the other mechs sucked mostly except for the Maguanac Corps and the Endless Waltz mecha.

+Good variety of fighting enviroments. Not just in space, not just on green plains.

+Good badguys, as I pointed out earlier.

-Too much hypocrisy. "Let's not fight!" and stuff. I appreciate the effort but in the end, the purpose of the anime is to show how terrible war is.

-No depth in characters, most seemed like puppets.

-The Zero System. A completely unnecessary thing. They wasted so many episodes on how psycho everyone got, but in the end, it was like the Zero System wasnt there.

-No feelings included in anything. Heero blasting colony representatives into smithereens in a shuttle and screaming "IT'S MY FAULT!" isn't really the feelings you'd want in an anime. I appreciate feelings like "You bastard! You killed Nicol! Next time, you're done for bastard!"

That's my two cents anyway.

Do post something more indepth so we can have a proper discussion here.

KOJI DARTH: Why does Wing own all others? That is what I hate the most about many Wingers. I'm not saying all of them are like that, but sadly, many are. They have no arguments about why Wing is the best gundam. Most of them are just idiots who think they have something to use as reference when they saw Wing on Cartoon Network and right after it was Pokémon or Beyblade that had something similar to a mecha in it. That's not reference. No, come back when you've seen at least one or two of the Universal Century animes. Then you have some good reference.

(Note: The Pokémon and Beyblade stuff was just to make an example, I'm not saying you actually did that. Or wait... did you!?)

Again. Post something more indepth. It's sickening to watch others degrade an anime with no arguments to support them.

Oh yeah. Forgot to comment about that 'panzy' remark you did. You can't have much experience in movies or any animes in general. The thing that makes a movie or anime interesting is all the different (here is the keyword, so listen closely children)

ELEMENTS!

YES! That is the word. Just having a bunch of guys totally devoid of feelings blowing up robots that seem to be made out of paper is hardly entertaining to watch.

I'm done here.

BushidoPunk · 03-16-2006, 01:32 AM

Gundam 8th MS Team was wicked sweet because my favorite mobile suit was in that series: Norris Packard's Gouf Custom.

Gundam 8th MS Team is probably my top pick.

ssouske · 03-16-2006, 11:13 AM

i agree with raitsin-sama... and mindless... i think Wing is crap... cosmetically, it looks great but deep inside, it rots like err... sorry for the term but yeah... its like shit compared to other gundam series... even if i just have UC0079, Zeta, and ZZ under my UC belt i still think its way better... of course animation is crappy compared to wing but those were one of the best, if not the best, during those times... and one last thing... please stop comparing wing to seed and G as if seed and G were the only gundam series arround...
i apologize to a lot of wingers out there... i understand how you feel... wing was also the very first gundam show i saw and i thought it was amazing... yeah... i remembered the day i saw tallgese... it looks like a leo but how in hell can that beat a gundam?

and i also drooled like hell when i first saw EW... but then i saw other series... sure G wasn't great but it had its own strengths but a lot of weaknesses... but hell it was a bit enjoyable for what it was... SEED, well i saw this one in CN, my first impressions for seed were bad... but when i saw the whole thing, i liked it way better than wing... then i saw UC0079... the original gundam in animax... i laughed at the animation and the original opening song which was really just said the word gundam in almost every line

but hell the story was so compelling and great... i got hooked... then Zeta and then ZZ... i also saw CCA last year... its still confuses me even after i watched it 2x... but it was good...

oh one more thing why i think wing sucks compared to other gundam series (well exept for G) well i saw it once, and never saw it again... with the exemption of EW which i saw 2x... for the others, i saw them like 3-4x especially SEED... which i have a copy of... UC, i saw them also arround 3x because they just re-run the eps 3x everyday...

and one last thing... i promise this is the last thing... EW really annoyed me and confused me... it was like there was no story at all... they just wanted huge gigantic robots to fight and shoot eachother to smithereens and drop a colony onto earth just for fun...

Pulp Fiction · 03-16-2006, 02:08 PM

I hate all the series except Gundam Wing and G Gundam

Spectre01 · 03-17-2006, 12:08 AM

I didn't like the combat in Wing. The gundams were too overpowered and when fighting, it never looked like they were dodging shots, just that the enemy had horrible aim. I found it extremely unrealistic and rediculous back when I was 10 and still do.

Ha-ri · 03-17-2006, 12:23 AM

I liked Wing best for one reason, fighting. I liked that the Gundams were overpowered, and could take out littery almost all of the enimes in a singal battle. Maybe thats the reason I didn't like seed enough. And come on who can hate deathscythe??? WHO???

NU-KazeKage · 03-17-2006, 12:27 AM

Gundam Wing was okay but i like seed more cause it delt with more real things ..they couldve used a better director though ...

Kira could destroy heero in a freedom vs wing zer0 fight

but the best series is preety much anything in the uc century seriously the guy who stated this thread must be like 5 years old to like wing just cause the explosions... or just not a gundam fan whos seen more than just wing and seed...go watch zeta and then tell me what you think about wing

Romdawg88 · 03-17-2006, 01:21 AM

I have to agree with Mindless and Ssouske, Gundam Wing just isn't very good compare to the other Gundam series. It wasn't that bad the first time I watched it but I rewatched it after seeing Seed, Victory, Zeta, and ZZ and it took every ounce of willpower I had to sit though a episode and was just so boring. I just don't see how someone who's watched other Gundam series can say that Wing is the best or even near the top.

KuwabaraTheMan · 03-17-2006, 02:19 AM

The day that someone calls Gundam Wing good is the day that Tomino, Fukuda, Imagawa, and all other Gundam creators commit group suicide.

Here's a statement:
IF YOU ONLY KNOW G, WING, and SEED, YOU HAVE NO BASIS TALKING ABOUT GUNDAM

Not as a bash, I like Destiny, G, and SEED, although Wing is utter crap(only SD is worse).

Familiarize yourselves with the work of Yoshiyuki Tomino. Mobile Suit Gundam, Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam, etcetera. Everything you could want. Great, complex characters, complicated stories where the 'good side' has flawed characters, and corrupt politicians, and the 'bad side' has sympathetic soldiers fighting for them.

Deep romances, complex storylines, characters with a reason to fight.

I'd like to see someone try and argue that Wing's pretty boys are more interesting then Amuro, Char, and Kamille.

G is still great, too. With great romance(even better then UC), and purposefully cheezy stories and Gundams that made for great comedy. And a UC like feel with the 'nature and saving the earth' stories.

Destiny was really good too(until Kira took over at the end). Shinn exemplified the great aspects of Gundam characters.

But no Gundam series is as good as Zeta Gunam.

Period.

End of Subject.

If you can't write a 3 page paper on Yoshiyuki Tomino, you can't discuss Gundam.

ssouske · 03-17-2006, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spectre01

I didn't like the combat in Wing. The gundams were too overpowered and when fighting, it never looked like they were dodging shots, just that the enemy had horrible aim. I found it extremely unrealistic and rediculous back when I was 10 and still do.

well actually, the enemies had good aim... its just that those gundams had that super invincible Gundarium Alloy armor which almost no weapon can seem to destroy... i completely remember the final battle in EW... they were taking hits but it was as if they were on GOD MODE or something... the only one that really got damaged for some really stupid reason was WZC... and even though those serpents hit it with those pea shooter vulcan cannons, it never did a scratch on WZC...

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Eevihl ̣ ̣ Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,911	Gundam wing the best? Bad thread is bad. __________________ Last edited by Eevihl; 05-21-2009 at 08:34 PM.

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Eevihl ̣ ̣ Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,911	seed was alright but the story got boring after awhile when the main character got all bitchy __________________

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Eevihl ̣ ̣ Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,911	whats your fav mobile suit i loved mercury and deathsythe and the dolls^_^ __________________

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Kin I ARE BACK. Torture Specialist Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The Netherlands. Posts: 1,209	Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gundam Wing is way better then Seed!!!!! hey hey! >_> thats my opinion! Seed is more for girls.. its a girlish anime, while in, Wing, only fighting! and, hardly romantic (too bad Heero falls in love with the bitch called Relena ) xDDD but, Wing is indeed better __________________ Aya <3 Iia <3

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Raistlin-sama Have you been naughty or nice? Jounin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Discworld Posts: 1,748	I laugh at this thread. Gundam Wing is properly the worst Gundam series ever created. And really, stop comparing it only to Seed and start comparing it to some UC. Gundam 0079, 08th MS team, Gundam 0080, Gundam 0083, Zeta Gundam, ZZ Gundam, Char's counterattack, Gundam F91 and Gundam Victory are all better. As for AU stuff, I liked Turn A Gundam (well, kind of both AU and UC), Gundam Seed, and G Gundam a lot more than Wing as well. __________________ "Most gods throw dice, but Fate plays chess, and you don't find out til too late that he's been playing with two queens all along." -Terry Pratchett Vintage/classic anime thread For those of you who are able to enjoy anime that doesn't have to rely heavily on computer-animation.

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~~tninja~~ Banned Academy Student Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Albuquerque, NM its a desert (sand yeah) Posts: 22	um i dont know i kind of like the seed series

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~~tninja~~ Banned Academy Student Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Albuquerque, NM its a desert (sand yeah) Posts: 22	yeah there is that

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Eevihl ̣ ̣ Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,911	seed gundam was getting no where and g gundam was really retarted but still cool gundam wing owns all the others^_^ __________________

03-13-2006, 12:41 PM	#10
Raistlin-sama Have you been naughty or nice? Jounin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Discworld Posts: 1,748	And do you have any comments on the UC series? Or have you perhaps not seen them? In which case, I'd say it's quite presumptuous to say that Wing is the best Gundam series ever, considering that most of the UC series are seen as the best Gundam shows by many fans. __________________ "Most gods throw dice, but Fate plays chess, and you don't find out til too late that he's been playing with two queens all along." -Terry Pratchett Vintage/classic anime thread For those of you who are able to enjoy anime that doesn't have to rely heavily on computer-animation.

03-13-2006, 03:52 PM	#11
Mindless Ergo Proxy Elite Jounin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 2,592	I don't mean to be a flaming Wing-hater, but really, that's just crap. Wing had it's moments, and with that I mean the gundams in it and the badguys (more specifically; Zechs and Treize). Thoes two were the ones together with Duo who made the anime interesting and good to watch sometimes. The others? Wu Fei. In short, a supposed martial artist who speaks of fairness in fights when he's trampling down people in a robot that can hardly be damaged. Fair? Yeah right. Quatre? I don't even want to start. His character was just in the way and his Newtype-like reactions with whatever that girl with the huge eyebrows was called (Dorothy or something) were just silly. The only thing that was good with him was that he introduced you to the Maguanac Corps, who on the other hand, were a bunch of really cool guys. Heero? A cyborg more or less. Probably the most unlikeable character in the anime. He was totally devoid of feelings towards things other than when he failed his mission. I'd say he was just a puppet with little or no free will at all. I wouldn't even begin comparing him to other maincharacters in gundam animes like Kira, Kamille or Uso. Who did I miss? Oh right, Trowa Barton of course. He was kinda cool at times, but had a pointless gundam which only seemed to run out of bullets. Other than that, he didn't add much to the story. He was a retard when he had his memories, and when he lost them, well, I can't say he got any better in that aspect. He was overshadowed by the others who made a better job (Duo, Zechs and Treize). Did I forget anyone else? Oh well. And I don't understand this Sound-Nin Kin Tsuchi. How can you say that SEED is more of a girly anime when the only thing Wing contained was Bishounens (= SUPER-GOOD LOOKING GUYS)? I just don't understand. Either you're blind or we didn't watch the same anime. Well, that's my two cents regarding that. Anyway. I said I wouldn't compare Wing or Heero with other animes or characters, but I'll go ahead with it anyway to make my point. First of all, let's take an overall look at pros and cons with both animes. I'll use Gundam Wing and Victory as examples. Victory Gundam: +Good story. +Good variety of characters. +Actually had characters that were important dying in the anime. +Good mecha. +Characters that had a soul and really acted like people, not robots (Heero...) +Good badguys. +Good cannonfodder mechs, they put up some resistance before they died. Sure, thoes mobile dolls did a great job, but then: ENTER ZERO SYSTEM. -The main character is a little kid, but even so, he does a much better job than most of the Wing cast. -Lame mothership name / design. -Strange names of the different factions, not that OZ made any sense either. Gundam Wing: +Very nice gundam designs, the other mechs sucked mostly except for the Maguanac Corps and the Endless Waltz mecha. +Good variety of fighting enviroments. Not just in space, not just on green plains. +Good badguys, as I pointed out earlier. -Too much hypocrisy. "Let's not fight!" and stuff. I appreciate the effort but in the end, the purpose of the anime is to show how terrible war is. -No depth in characters, most seemed like puppets. -The Zero System. A completely unnecessary thing. They wasted so many episodes on how psycho everyone got, but in the end, it was like the Zero System wasnt there. -No feelings included in anything. Heero blasting colony representatives into smithereens in a shuttle and screaming "IT'S MY FAULT!" isn't really the feelings you'd want in an anime. I appreciate feelings like "You bastard! You killed Nicol! Next time, you're done for bastard!" That's my two cents anyway. Do post something more indepth so we can have a proper discussion here. KOJI DARTH: Why does Wing own all others? That is what I hate the most about many Wingers. I'm not saying all of them are like that, but sadly, many are. They have no arguments about why Wing is the best gundam. Most of them are just idiots who think they have something to use as reference when they saw Wing on Cartoon Network and right after it was Pokémon or Beyblade that had something similar to a mecha in it. That's not reference. No, come back when you've seen at least one or two of the Universal Century animes. Then you have some good reference. (Note: The Pokémon and Beyblade stuff was just to make an example, I'm not saying you actually did that. Or wait... did you!?) Again. Post something more indepth. It's sickening to watch others degrade an anime with no arguments to support them. Oh yeah. Forgot to comment about that 'panzy' remark you did. You can't have much experience in movies or any animes in general. The thing that makes a movie or anime interesting is all the different (here is the keyword, so listen closely children) ELEMENTS! YES! That is the word. Just having a bunch of guys totally devoid of feelings blowing up robots that seem to be made out of paper is hardly entertaining to watch. I'm done here. __________________ Once Mindless, always Mindless. Last edited by Mindless; 03-13-2006 at 04:16 PM.

03-16-2006, 01:32 AM	#12
BushidoPunk Hero of the Gods S-Class Missing-nin Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 2,991	Gundam 8th MS Team was wicked sweet because my favorite mobile suit was in that series: Norris Packard's Gouf Custom. Gundam 8th MS Team is probably my top pick.

03-16-2006, 11:13 AM	#13
ssouske wuu~ nyan! Jounin Join Date: May 2005 Location: in your Ptolemy Posts: 1,600	i agree with raitsin-sama... and mindless... i think Wing is crap... cosmetically, it looks great but deep inside, it rots like err... sorry for the term but yeah... its like shit compared to other gundam series... even if i just have UC0079, Zeta, and ZZ under my UC belt i still think its way better... of course animation is crappy compared to wing but those were one of the best, if not the best, during those times... and one last thing... please stop comparing wing to seed and G as if seed and G were the only gundam series arround... i apologize to a lot of wingers out there... i understand how you feel... wing was also the very first gundam show i saw and i thought it was amazing... yeah... i remembered the day i saw tallgese... it looks like a leo but how in hell can that beat a gundam? and i also drooled like hell when i first saw EW... but then i saw other series... sure G wasn't great but it had its own strengths but a lot of weaknesses... but hell it was a bit enjoyable for what it was... SEED, well i saw this one in CN, my first impressions for seed were bad... but when i saw the whole thing, i liked it way better than wing... then i saw UC0079... the original gundam in animax... i laughed at the animation and the original opening song which was really just said the word gundam in almost every line but hell the story was so compelling and great... i got hooked... then Zeta and then ZZ... i also saw CCA last year... its still confuses me even after i watched it 2x... but it was good... oh one more thing why i think wing sucks compared to other gundam series (well exept for G) well i saw it once, and never saw it again... with the exemption of EW which i saw 2x... for the others, i saw them like 3-4x especially SEED... which i have a copy of... UC, i saw them also arround 3x because they just re-run the eps 3x everyday... and one last thing... i promise this is the last thing... EW really annoyed me and confused me... it was like there was no story at all... they just wanted huge gigantic robots to fight and shoot eachother to smithereens and drop a colony onto earth just for fun... __________________ Kamen Ride K-K-K-KUGA? JOIN THE FUN!!!

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Pulp Fiction Been A while Torture Specialist Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,111	I hate all the series except Gundam Wing and G Gundam __________________ Thats What I'm Not.

03-17-2006, 12:08 AM	#15
Spectre01 Oh snap! Rookie Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 51	I didn't like the combat in Wing. The gundams were too overpowered and when fighting, it never looked like they were dodging shots, just that the enemy had horrible aim. I found it extremely unrealistic and rediculous back when I was 10 and still do.

03-17-2006, 01:21 AM	#18
Romdawg88 Newbie Academy Student Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7	I have to agree with Mindless and Ssouske, Gundam Wing just isn't very good compare to the other Gundam series. It wasn't that bad the first time I watched it but I rewatched it after seeing Seed, Victory, Zeta, and ZZ and it took every ounce of willpower I had to sit though a episode and was just so boring. I just don't see how someone who's watched other Gundam series can say that Wing is the best or even near the top.

03-17-2006, 02:19 AM	#19
KuwabaraTheMan Eternal Love Jinchuuriki Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,430	The day that someone calls Gundam Wing good is the day that Tomino, Fukuda, Imagawa, and all other Gundam creators commit group suicide. Here's a statement: IF YOU ONLY KNOW G, WING, and SEED, YOU HAVE NO BASIS TALKING ABOUT GUNDAM Not as a bash, I like Destiny, G, and SEED, although Wing is utter crap(only SD is worse). Familiarize yourselves with the work of Yoshiyuki Tomino. Mobile Suit Gundam, Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam, etcetera. Everything you could want. Great, complex characters, complicated stories where the 'good side' has flawed characters, and corrupt politicians, and the 'bad side' has sympathetic soldiers fighting for them. Deep romances, complex storylines, characters with a reason to fight. I'd like to see someone try and argue that Wing's pretty boys are more interesting then Amuro, Char, and Kamille. G is still great, too. With great romance(even better then UC), and purposefully cheezy stories and Gundams that made for great comedy. And a UC like feel with the 'nature and saving the earth' stories. Destiny was really good too(until Kira took over at the end). Shinn exemplified the great aspects of Gundam characters. But no Gundam series is as good as Zeta Gunam. Period. End of Subject. If you can't write a 3 page paper on Yoshiyuki Tomino, you can't discuss Gundam.