Were you happy with Shinn's Character Development?

Jikes · 10-11-2005, 10:06 AM

Its a simple yes or no, "were you happy with Shinn's character development?"

post some rants about how Fukada jibbed us out of a possible good character

Mindless · 10-11-2005, 02:36 PM

No. I wasn't.

I could have liked Shinn. They made out gundam characters in the past as real brats in the beginning, that wouldn't listen to reason. But, the fundemental difference with thoes people (Kamille and so on), is that they changed troughout the anime. Shinn remained the same from episode 1 to 50. Sure, he had his ups and downs, but I guess the average of thoes ups and downs would still ammount to the same brattyness in the long run.

Shinn could have been the main character. But then, they would have had to make a new antagonist (since Shinn, together with Rey, Gilbert, etc. acted that role). Who would that be? Kira, Athrun and them? This was one of the great flaws with Destiny I think that created this great conflict. They had two sides, who both played a great part in the story, for good or bad.

In past gundam animes, they have had the AEUG, or similar organisations fight. But, here they only had this one faction to focus on. Not two of them. It was much easier in Zeta Gundam (for example), because there they had the Argama and all of its associates in the AEUG, that fought against the Titans.

In Destiny, they mixed in ZAFT, where Shinn, the supposed main character was. They had ORB, where the old cast from SEED was. And they mixed in the LOGOS. They had ORB act as a protagonist at times and ZAFT as it at times. LOGOS was the constant antagonist. But, ORB and ZAFT also acted as antagonists at times, depending on what group they focused on at the time (ORB or ZAFT).

This put strain on the characters, and Shinn, in the end got diminished into something not worth calling a real character.

Scorpio3.14 · 10-11-2005, 04:43 PM

What character development? <-----That about sums it up.

EndlessRain · 10-11-2005, 05:06 PM

^ Ding! !

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Originally Posted by Mindless

I could have liked Shinn.

Same here, what a shame.

BattousaiMS · 10-11-2005, 06:14 PM

I am pretty sure Fuduka made Shinn so he could kill him in the end, but by the end he chickened out again.

!-justicer-! · 10-11-2005, 07:50 PM

Just one question...
Who's Shinn?
I can only remember of Kira, Athrun and Mwu in their shiny gundams
Shinn? Never Heard of him, he is from GSD?
Ohhhh now I remember..., honestly I don't think so.

Hunter · 10-11-2005, 11:34 PM

Yeah I am satisfied. They could have done a better job at it and many would have wished that Shinn was more likeable but still there is nothing wrong with him. Although I do feel sorry for the guy in the end since he pretty much lost everything, that is why I am hoping that he is finally given another chance of living his life happily.

Ha-ri · 10-12-2005, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Scorpio3.14

What character development? <-----That about sums it up.

That should have endded the thread because thats all you need.

AznEnigma69 · 10-12-2005, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ha-ri

That should have endded the thread because thats all you need.

^ What he said!!!

ssouske · 10-12-2005, 07:48 PM

it is very obvious that a lot of fans did not like shinn's character development in GSD... im sure they could have done more or a better job in developing shinn... i just did not want to see shinn stay as an angry, vengefull brat...

Chillin · 10-12-2005, 08:10 PM

Crap...just when I posted something pertaining to his development in the 3.0 thread you go and make a whole topic

Yes, they could have done his character better. I really wasn't happy with his development...or rather his total lack of development, and seeing as how I wanted to like him I really put hope in his character and I was severely let down. However there were other characters that were really a big part of the story and far more developed from the get-go that I liked much better than Shinn. This just leads me to remain indifferent about it all, or rather I'd like to say I just don't care about his development or him. It seems like that's what they were trying to lead everyone to think about Shinn anyway. To sum it all up, no I wasn't happy with it initially, but now I just don't care.

crystal-kay · 10-14-2005, 08:06 AM

They could have developed him better instead of leaving him as the resentful, whiny, angry brat.

me_is_david · 10-18-2005, 01:48 AM

No.

I have to have at least 10 characters in my post.

White Reflection · 10-25-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mindless

No. I wasn't.

I could have liked Shinn. They made out gundam characters in the past as real brats in the beginning, that wouldn't listen to reason. But, the fundemental difference with thoes people (Kamille and so on), is that they changed troughout the anime. Shinn remained the same from episode 1 to 50. Sure, he had his ups and downs, but I guess the average of thoes ups and downs would still ammount to the same brattyness in the long run.

Shinn could have been the main character. But then, they would have had to make a new antagonist (since Shinn, together with Rey, Gilbert, etc. acted that role). Who would that be? Kira, Athrun and them? This was one of the great flaws with Destiny I think that created this great conflict. They had two sides, who both played a great part in the story, for good or bad.

I stopped reading your reply after I saw the words "good or bad".
It's quite naive to use the words "good or bad" in gundam stories. I dont know why so many people hate Shinn, but I think he is an awesome character. In my perspective, he is just another victim from the previous war who is always possessed by his traumatic past. The loss of his family weakened his faith and belief. Therefore he fight for what he think is right, he will do whatever to stop the war and save as many people as he can. Although he might go berserk in the battle, IN ORDER TO SAVE THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM!!!.
From the point that he is fightning for his belief, he is not that much different from Kira or Athrun (However he began to get confused after he shot down Athrun's Gouf with Meryin inside)
On top of that, I dont see how the chairman is wrong. He wants to return the world into a place without wars and torment where everyone can live happily in peace, the "invincible" Kira and Lacus are just some conservatives who are afraid of change. Despite I strongly incline to the destoy of Requiem cannon, they should have given the Dul a chance to work out the Destiny clan and let history to testify it. What Kira does simply turns everything back to where it begins, ultimately leads to another rise of LOGOs.

Kira(Smirk): So I can destroy them again cause more chaos and more death, mindless fandoms will love me always.

kyubi256 · 10-28-2005, 11:17 PM

Shinn was a great character in this whole series for me. I liked Shinn, my favorite character besides Kira throughout the whole series... i hope there is a third season and we have more Shinn again with his girl.

Jikes · 10-29-2005, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by White Reflection

I stopped reading your reply after I saw the words "good or bad".
It's quite naive to use the words "good or bad" in gundam stories. I dont know why so many people hate Shinn, but I think he is an awesome character. In my perspective, he is just another victim from the previous war who is always possessed by his traumatic past. The loss of his family weakened his faith and belief. Therefore he fight for what he think is right, he will do whatever to stop the war and save as many people as he can. Although he might go berserk in the battle, IN ORDER TO SAVE THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM!!!.
From the point that he is fightning for his belief, he is not that much different from Kira or Athrun (However he began to get confused after he shot down Athrun's Gouf with Meryin inside)
On top of that, I dont see how the chairman is wrong. He wants to return the world into a place without wars and torment where everyone can live happily in peace, the "invincible" Kira and Lacus are just some conservatives who are afraid of change. Despite I strongly incline to the destoy of Requiem cannon, they should have given the Dul a chance to work out the Destiny clan and let history to testify it. What Kira does simply turns everything back to where it begins, ultimately leads to another rise of LOGOs.

Kira(Smirk): So I can destroy them again cause more chaos and more death, mindless fandoms will love me always.

No offence White Reflection but i think you missed the point entirely of both this thread and Mindless's post. I dont believe Mindless was comment on Shinn being bad. Believe it or not but this thread is not simply a place to vent what you think was so good about Shinn, but rather a place were you can make a comment about how you were either happy or dissapointed with Shinn's character development in Gundam Seed Destiny. Frankly Reflection i dont think anyone wants to here another "Shinn is so cool" rant, and dispite my Shinn fandom neither do I. So in future please read the thread title.

White Reflection · 10-31-2005, 01:33 PM

Jikes: I think you mistunderstood my point.
I argue to justify Shinn and Chairman for their actions in my reply, therefore I can say it's perfectly OKay for Shinn to remain who he is from the first espisode since he is RIGHT. As a result, I am happy with Shinn's character development.
Sorry if I didnt make this clear in my reply, and I did lump my personal emotions into it. However, I do think arrogant bastard like Kira Yamato deserve to die. And Lacus talks absolutely non sense when she stands up against Meer in Episode 43. I would love to see destiny plan actually get carried out.

Okay now feel free to bash me.

dspr8_rugged · 11-01-2005, 04:33 AM

Definitely not.

As far as all the Gundam series that I've seen, Shinn Asuka was the most poorly developed Gundam protagonist, not to mention, the least likeable. Despite that, he could have been a very interesting character, but of course, we already know what happened.

I guess I can blame the writers for making him an anti-hero towards the end of the series.

NejiHinata · 11-19-2005, 06:54 PM

I will state this very simply, in the phrasing of three Eyeshield 21 characters:

"Huh? Huuh? HUUUUH?!"

Which translates to: "Dear sir, just where pray tell would I be able to locate any character development in Destiny? Let alone development to like or dislike."

Laiquelleion · 01-17-2006, 05:41 AM

NOOOO the character development of Shin Asuka was nothing in comparison to what I had expected of the series.

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10-11-2005, 10:06 AM	#1
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10-11-2005, 02:36 PM	#2
Mindless Ergo Proxy Elite Jounin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 2,592	No. I wasn't. I could have liked Shinn. They made out gundam characters in the past as real brats in the beginning, that wouldn't listen to reason. But, the fundemental difference with thoes people (Kamille and so on), is that they changed troughout the anime. Shinn remained the same from episode 1 to 50. Sure, he had his ups and downs, but I guess the average of thoes ups and downs would still ammount to the same brattyness in the long run. Shinn could have been the main character. But then, they would have had to make a new antagonist (since Shinn, together with Rey, Gilbert, etc. acted that role). Who would that be? Kira, Athrun and them? This was one of the great flaws with Destiny I think that created this great conflict. They had two sides, who both played a great part in the story, for good or bad. In past gundam animes, they have had the AEUG, or similar organisations fight. But, here they only had this one faction to focus on. Not two of them. It was much easier in Zeta Gundam (for example), because there they had the Argama and all of its associates in the AEUG, that fought against the Titans. In Destiny, they mixed in ZAFT, where Shinn, the supposed main character was. They had ORB, where the old cast from SEED was. And they mixed in the LOGOS. They had ORB act as a protagonist at times and ZAFT as it at times. LOGOS was the constant antagonist. But, ORB and ZAFT also acted as antagonists at times, depending on what group they focused on at the time (ORB or ZAFT). This put strain on the characters, and Shinn, in the end got diminished into something not worth calling a real character. __________________ Once Mindless, always Mindless.

10-11-2005, 06:14 PM	#5
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10-11-2005, 04:43 PM	#3
Scorpio3.14 mmmmm....pi S-Class Missing-nin Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,947	What character development? <-----That about sums it up.

10-11-2005, 11:34 PM	#7
Hunter Newbie Rookie Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 86	Yeah I am satisfied. They could have done a better job at it and many would have wished that Shinn was more likeable but still there is nothing wrong with him. Although I do feel sorry for the guy in the end since he pretty much lost everything, that is why I am hoping that he is finally given another chance of living his life happily.

10-12-2005, 07:48 PM	#10
ssouske wuu~ nyan! Jounin Join Date: May 2005 Location: in your Ptolemy Posts: 1,600	it is very obvious that a lot of fans did not like shinn's character development in GSD... im sure they could have done more or a better job in developing shinn... i just did not want to see shinn stay as an angry, vengefull brat... __________________ Kamen Ride K-K-K-KUGA? JOIN THE FUN!!!

10-12-2005, 08:10 PM	#11
Chillin The New Sword Missing-nin Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,376	Crap...just when I posted something pertaining to his development in the 3.0 thread you go and make a whole topic Yes, they could have done his character better. I really wasn't happy with his development...or rather his total lack of development, and seeing as how I wanted to like him I really put hope in his character and I was severely let down. However there were other characters that were really a big part of the story and far more developed from the get-go that I liked much better than Shinn. This just leads me to remain indifferent about it all, or rather I'd like to say I just don't care about his development or him. It seems like that's what they were trying to lead everyone to think about Shinn anyway. To sum it all up, no I wasn't happy with it initially, but now I just don't care. __________________ Fanclubs and credits: Member of the Hinata, ShikamaruxTemari, Deidara, Zetsu, Gangsta Shino, Gundam, and Rurouni Kenshin fanclubs

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crystal-kay Leo's Lover, Haru Special Jounin Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 742	They could have developed him better instead of leaving him as the resentful, whiny, angry brat. __________________ Shounen Onmyouji Discussion Thread

10-18-2005, 01:48 AM	#13
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10-28-2005, 11:17 PM	#15
kyubi256 The new 10th tail Jinchuriki Genin Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 189	Shinn was a great character in this whole series for me. I liked Shinn, my favorite character besides Kira throughout the whole series... i hope there is a third season and we have more Shinn again with his girl.

10-31-2005, 01:33 PM	#17
White Reflection Newbie Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 58	Jikes: I think you mistunderstood my point. I argue to justify Shinn and Chairman for their actions in my reply, therefore I can say it's perfectly OKay for Shinn to remain who he is from the first espisode since he is RIGHT. As a result, I am happy with Shinn's character development. Sorry if I didnt make this clear in my reply, and I did lump my personal emotions into it. However, I do think arrogant bastard like Kira Yamato deserve to die. And Lacus talks absolutely non sense when she stands up against Meer in Episode 43. I would love to see destiny plan actually get carried out. Okay now feel free to bash me.

11-01-2005, 04:33 AM	#18
dspr8_rugged GN-001 Gundam Exia Legendary Ninja Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: in your Exia, exterminating teh targets Posts: 5,122 Blog Entries: 9	Definitely not. As far as all the Gundam series that I've seen, Shinn Asuka was the most poorly developed Gundam protagonist, not to mention, the least likeable. Despite that, he could have been a very interesting character, but of course, we already know what happened. I guess I can blame the writers for making him an anti-hero towards the end of the series. __________________

11-19-2005, 06:54 PM	#19
NejiHinata Haman Ownz my Soul Academy Teacher Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Axis Wa Itsumo Zabi Nochi Char Posts: 350	I will state this very simply, in the phrasing of three Eyeshield 21 characters: "Huh? Huuh? HUUUUH?!" Which translates to: "Dear sir, just where pray tell would I be able to locate any character development in Destiny? Let alone development to like or dislike." __________________ Ichigo 100% FCs:

01-17-2006, 05:41 AM	#20
Laiquelleion Dark Angel Chuunin Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In my own world Posts: 238	NOOOO the character development of Shin Asuka was nothing in comparison to what I had expected of the series. __________________ pain,path,revenge