(386) FINALLY: The Death of the TENGU THEORY

[kiroisenko]

Laughed through this whole chapter.. I actually liked it in a way.

Why? Me the person who hates the Uchiha? Haha no

Simple, it makes theories like the Tengu theory go down the drain. It makes Madara the patriarch go down the drain in a way as well.

There is no Tengu waiting to be revived in Madara's past. No BigBird daddy. At least that is one way to look at this chapter.

And for those thinking it is a Tengu shown in the chapter think again. That is NOT a tengu in any shape, way, or form.


It is a four-eyed Oni, one of the legendary Japanese creatures. Madara's Oni has 4 eyes-his brother's eyes and his own. Itachi's Oni has 2 eyes, with the upper empty eye sockets for Sasuke's eyes.


It is slightly annoying that there is a way to make a permanent MS, which is sad to me. Just another boost.

We got to know part of the name for the Shodaime at least though.

Oh, and Sasuke taking off the cloak = pissed off.
Sasuke taking off the head bandage = ownage.

LOL, Kishimoto.


Just a few things to think about the Tengu Theory.


Counter Arguments:


~The tengus aren't THAT significant. Kishi has shown us the tengus with occasions that didn't at all represent the Uchiha clan. First of all, while the rest of the points were clearly supported with detail, it seemed to me as if the idea of Sojobo came out of nowhere. By this, I don't mean its name, or description, but that there was just sort of an empty space in Uchiha history, and the theory just came up with something off the top of its head to satisfy it. With tremendous influence of the hints of tengu, the idea of Sojobo was conceived, and was mixed with things everyone already knew: the Uchiha clan sprang off of the Hyuuga clan, the symbol of the Uchiha clan is a fan, 3 MS users are needed for some purpose of the Uchihas, the three powers of the MS (tsukiyomi, amaterasu, and susanoo, theoretically). Seems to me that all that was done was observe very meticulously, do the homework, and then use the imagination to fill in the blanks. I do give the theory credit, though, since it did so quite well. However, I would like more proof before I jump to conclusions that it is Sojobo's release that requires the 3 MS users. Where would Sojobo be held?


~How powerful could Sojobo possibly be?? It is stated that it required the MS, the three MS doujutsus, and the unlimited chakra of the Kyuubi, just to barely be able to seal it up??? Now, I'd like to know where a being like this had come from, and why a random Hyuuga girl would just happen to fall in love with a being that is stronger than the Kyuubi and MS combined. Also, if it were that powerful, why the heck would it need another container? Is this Orochimaru symbolism? If it is, it's rather poor, since i don't think that Orochimaru could rival an MS and the Kyuubi at once (he had trouble with both seperately), and I don't see much relation between snakes and tengus.



~I can appreciate the idea of Itachi having a sick mind, but sacrifice his own body? Itachi doesn't seem like the type to give himself up, especially with all of his accomplishments, lust, and malice. In addition, there's no motivation provided for this attitude. Why would Itachi want to release the thing that would label their entire clan as a beast? We all know from chapter 386 that he has his personal agenda. On the suicide note that was supposed to hold Itachi's true feelings, it said that he'd lost all hopes for the clan. When he was explaining to the Uchiha members about why he was disappointed with the clan, he stated that the name of the clan itself and its fears fail to measure their own capacity, which is looking like what Itachi's goal is. If this is the case, how are you gonna measure your own capacity when absorbed into a tengu king??




~Now to tackle this...going as far as to connect the ancient Tengu, Madara, Shodaime, and Kyuubi in that long epic story is pure speculation. A brilliant write, but no more than fanfic material to be honest with you. There's NO proof or evidence what so ever of this story. The most we see or hear of Tengu and Kyuubi is seeing statues of them with little or no explanation behind them. While I can't say it isn't possible, because it seems almost likely for Kishi to take that direction, you can't honestly and fully say that evidence in the manga supports that this is true.


~Sharingan is anything but the lowering of a bloodline from Byakugan. Sharingan posesses the insight abilities on a different level. Byakugan focuses very finely on the chakra openings. Change the spectrum by just a few more wavelengths and Sharingan is able to see the muscle contractions in the body and mirror whatever movements are made before it. Even scarier is the Mangekyou Sharingan which has such a great influence on minds, space, and time. It is clear that there were tradeoffs as the Byakugan evolved into the Sharingan. It happens all the time in evolution of organisms. If there happens to be an organism who has a certain ability there is sometimes a mutations where the organism has developed a modification to that ability/trait and overtime it reproduces and passes on that trait to its off spring and in turn creating a new species.



~I see that this happened and may have the been the reason the Branch family and Hyuuga Family Cursed Seal was created, to prevent another 'Uchiha' from being created from the Hyuuga and possibly spreading secrets of their family. I can see that and more being revealed from Sasuke and Neji if they ever are forced to square off, which I doubt will happen.



~As for Sasuke's Cursed Seal level 2 transformation resembling a Tengu...I have to say that as farfetched and unbelievable it is it holds some ground but only if another theory is true. I believe that Cursed Seals, the way they spread and how the transformations in level 2 look, are influenced by the individual's personality and DNA. We've seen kekkei genkai abilities and personal attributes of almost every Cursed Seal user enhanced by the Cursed Seal, taking the Oro's Sound 4 as an example, so why would Sasuke have clawed wings of all things? Yes, I'm afraid I have to agree with you and that based on the idea that the Cursed Seal reflects and takes shape in accordance to one's attributes and genetic information that it obviously has some connection with the Tengu since nothing else in the Uchiha culture/abilities/personalities reflects any bird like connections.



~So...do the Tengu have anything to do with the Uchiha, it seems highly likely. Is the Tengu King the father of Uchiha Madara and husband to a Hyuuga maiden, complete speculation and unsupported fantasy. Did any of that spiel happen between Shodaime and Kyuubi, if the prior is unsupported than this is just as bad if not worse. The only relationship Shodaime and Madara have in common is that they have had a great battle and severing of bonds between them similar to Sasuke's and Naruto's final story in the last episode of the first season. Aside from that, everything else has brought up interesting connections to the Tengu but the stories fomulated between them to explain loose threads in Kishimoto's story are total B.S. if they're supposed to be theories. They should be, rather, a separate fanfic collection based on the theory that Uchiha and Tengu have a common relation.

[narutofangd]

The Sharingan is definately not Natural Bloodline


It has too much power to control beings that no human should posses


This chapter proved some Higher power behind the Sharingan that endowed it's power to the Uchiha in the Past

Something gave it to the uchiha but who

[KonohaWind]

Awesome chapter! Best in a long time! Sasuke taking off his head band was pimp'n. I always hated the Tengu theory made a long time ago. It all seems like a crappy fan fiction to me. But it was finally thrown down the drains. Friggin awesome.

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by narutofangd

This chapter proved some Higher power behind the Sharingan that endowed it's power to the Uchiha in the Past

The higher power to which you refer to is Kishi. He's the biggest Uchiha fangirl of them all.

[Mrs Alan B'Stard]

He takes away the sharingan weakness and give it more power

[Loco-sama]

what is tengu?

[narutofangd]

Originally Posted by Thorn

The higher power to which you refer to is Kishi. He's the biggest Uchiha fangirl of them all.

some sort of Demonic god this chapter proved that with that big guy

Originally Posted by Loco-sama

what is tengu?

Tengu is a Mythical deity i Shinto culture

the Tengu theory isa fan made theory on the power and purpose of the sharingan doujutsu

[The Pink Ninja]

It was never alive otuside of the twisted cheese dreams of smelly fingered Uchihas.

[Gyroscope]

I don't know who I feel more sorry for, the ones that believed Kishi could write something half as good as that theory or the ones that pop up after it's been proven wrong pathetically trying to patronize (you're not good at it, leave the condescending attitudes to the Uchihas )

Fact remains that the Tengu theory was probably the best theory anybody has come up with about this series, with a lot of effort and thought being put behind it.

[Trollzilla]

Originally Posted by kiroisenko

laughed through this whole chapter.. I actually liked it in a way.

Why? Me the person who hates the Uchiha? Haha no

Simple, it makes theories like the Tengu theory go down the drain. It makes Madara the patriarch go down the drain in a way as well.

There is no Tengu waiting to be revived in Madara's past. No BigBird daddy. At least that is one way to look at this chapter.

It is slightly annoying that there is a way to make a permanant MS, which is sad to me. Just another boost.

We got to know part of the name for the Shodaime at least though.

Oh, and Sasuke taking off the cloak = pissed off.
Sasuke taking off the head bandage = ownage.

LOL, Kishimoto.

You just hate it that Yasha can make better Theories than you..

[Nakson]

Originally Posted by Gyroscope

I don't know who I feel more sorry for, the ones that believed Kishi could write something half as good as that theory or the ones that pop up after it's been proven wrong pathetically trying to patronize (you're not good at it, leave the condescending attitudes to the Uchihas )

Fact remains that the Tengu theory was probably the best theory anybody has come up with about this series, with a lot of effort and thought being put behind it.

I believe Yasha's theory is way beyond what Kishimoto wrote, so why anyone can diss Yasha is beyond me...........

[Jeαnne]

i still believe in the tengu+hyuuga=uchiha thing, and think this demon thing in this chapter, perhaps uchihas are really half demons, that is why they need to steal the eyes, half demon eye+half demon eye = full demon eye perhaps :B~

because i will never forget that :

Spoiler:

ps: the thing in the "tengu's back" really looks like the "hair" of the demon that tried to get sasuke o.O'

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by Gyroscope

Fact remains that the Tengu theory was probably the best theory anybody has come up with about this series, with a lot of effort and thought being put behind it.

It may have been if Kishi was an entirely different writer. But, the fact remains that he's an idiot and he's so centered about everything taking place around this one eyeball, that he's foregone all other character development and any believable conclusion to this manga for said eyeball.

What have we learned from this? When making a theory based on Naruto, you must put yourself in the mindset of Kishi, which can be achieved by bashing your head against a wall for hours on end.

[Gyroscope]

Originally Posted by Nakson

I believe Yasha's theory is way beyond what Kishimoto wrote, so why anyone can diss Yasha is beyond me...........

Oh I dunno, their own inability to come up with anything half as impressive might be a factor

[.ProFound.]

Originally Posted by Kamina

You just hate it that Yasha can make better Theories than you..

lmao........

[masamune1]

The funny thing is someone posted in another thread that they thought the Demon's behind Itachi and Madara were, in fact, two Tengu. It is not yet dead, I'm afraid.

[Frostman]

^
The demon behind itachi looks absolutely nothing like a Tangu. Tangees have funny hats.

i didn't have a problem with the tengu theory, i was actually a good read. The only thing annoyed me where the n00bs that used it as fact to back up their arguments.

[Proxy]

Originally Posted by Frostman

i didn't have a problem with the tengu theory, i was actually a good read. The only thing annoyed me where the n00bs that used it as fact to back up their arguments.

Likewise. And the OP didn't need to make this thread. It seems that someone is a bit upset because of the hype that the Tengu theory garnered, compared to his own.

[E]

as much as i liked the tengu theory, i wasn't exactly saddened by its got-shitted-on-ness, but i did feel a slight level of dissappointment

[Shinkirou]

Meh, we have big badass four eyed demons instead.