Madara/Tobi = Obito. Simple Truth

[maximilyan]

Kakashi has MS. Itachi stated prior to seeing kakashi's MS and after seeing kakashi's MS that there are three MS users. He also stated that Madara/Tobi was one of them. The only way that this could make sense is if Tobi/Madara = Obito.


It cant get any easier than that. I think that this is another theory that is now more or less proven.

[yodaime_the_fourth]

hmm..I agree 100% Truth!

[maximilyan]

Think about it, Madara/Tobi is the only one of the three (Madara Sasuke Itachi) who only reveals one eye. And conveniantly its the opposite eye to kakashi.

Now why would itachi still be saying that theres only people capable of MS if he knows kakashi has it and at the same time he believes sasuke can use it?

[DarkLord1111]

well you have a point

[maximilyan]

imo its more than a point.. it just wouldnt make sense for itachi to be continuously proclaiming that there are only three people capable of using MS, yet he knows kakashi can use it.

[Trivub]

didnt he say that would sasuke learn mangekyou, than there would be three?

[Fuyuu Hidarite]

Sorry, you should explain this theory of yours much deeper. I guessed, pre-timeskip, that the ones able to use MS were Itachi, Kakashi ans Sasuke (potentially, not actually using it). Then, when Tobi appeared, I got mad trying to guess who in hell could use MS. Perhaps Kakashi doesn´t count (in effects yes, but not controlling Kyuubi because he does not have Uchiha blood.
Madara/Tobi=Obito --- Explanation of who are the MS users is not founded into logic, so please explain.

And I support the Tobi-Obito theory, but this is nonsense. Then, if so, there would be 4 people who can or could earn MS: Itachi, Kakashi, Sasuke and Tobi-Obito-Madara?, so four people.

[AoshiKun]

So are you saying the ability/potencial to awake MS is genetic?

Tobi had the genes to awake MS so Madara took his body and developed that while the other eye, with the same potencial, stays with Kakashi and because of Obito's genetic he was able to awake the MS.

[ArAshI-sensei]

It could be, but I still think Tazuna has the MS.

[maximilyan]

Originally Posted by Trivub

didnt he say that would sasuke learn mangekyou, than there would be three?

exactly. and if basically stated that madara can use it last chapter.. then that would make it four, not three. unless madara and kakashi share the same source; obito.

Originally Posted by Fuyuu Hidarite

Sorry, you should explain this theory of yours much deeper. I guessed, pre-timeskip, that the ones able to use MS were Itachi, Kakashi ans Sasuke (potentially, not actually using it). Then, when Tobi appeared, I got mad trying to guess who in hell could use MS. Perhaps Kakashi doesn´t count (in effects yes, but not controlling Kyuubi because he does not have Uchiha blood.
Madara/Tobi=Obito --- Explanation of who are the MS users is not founded into logic, so please explain.

And I support the Tobi-Obito theory, but this is nonsense. Then, if so, there would be 4 people who can or could earn MS: Itachi, Kakashi, Sasuke and Tobi-Obito-Madara?, so four people.

Prior to knowing Kakashi has MS:

-Itachi tells sasuke that there are three people capable of using MS, himself and sasuke. We didnt know about madara at this point.

After realising kakashi has MS, and confirming that Madara is the 3rd MS using in the latest chapter:

- itachi still implies that there are 3.

How can this be if Madara, Kakashi, and Himself can already use it, and sasuke is appearantly capable? The only answer to that is.. kakashi's eye and madara's eye belongs to the same person.

[ByakugenEye]

This is what i've been trying to say the whole time.

[Esponer]

Originally Posted by maximilyan

After realising kakashi has MS

Did Itachi actually realise? Or was he just surprised that Kakashi had found out some of the Uchiha's secrets?

"Kakashi, you couldn't have..." need not end "gained the Mangekyō Sharingan".

Also, could you highlight to me – I'm not immediately remembering – where Itachi says that there are still only three Mangekyō Sharingan users (or rather would be after Sasuke, still)?

[moget-]

I agree!

Tobi = Obito = FACT!

[~rocka]

No no no no, Itachi didnt know Kakashi had MS when he spoke to Sasuke.

You misinterpret the manga i think...

Itachi said to sasuke; If you gain the MS there will be 3 users in
total.
And he didnt know about Kakashi's MS at that time.

Itachi obviously knew about Madara that time he said it, because he and Madara murdered the clan.

Also could you explain your theory a bit better, you say; Because Kakashi has MS and Itachi says there are 3 MS users Tobi = Obito.

I cant really make anything out of that...

[homer simpson]

well if madara used obito as a container aka oro, for a fresh sharingan without the blindness maybe the tobi=obito thoery still exist

[Namikaze Minato Flash]

Originally Posted by maximilyan

Kakashi has MS. Itachi stated prior to seeing kakashi's MS and after seeing kakashi's MS that there are three MS users. He also stated that Madara/Tobi was one of them. The only way that this could make sense is if Tobi/Madara = Obito.


It cant get any easier than that. I think that this is another theory that is now more or less proven.

Itachi said once Sasuke obtained the Mangekyou Sharingan that there would be a total of three users. That would've made it two users at the time of which Kakashi showed no indication of having the Mangekyou Sharingan pre time-skip. Plus, isn't controlling the Kyuubi the final secret? Madara, being the immortal he is, summoned it on Konoha sixteen years before Kakashi revealed that he had the MS, so the third user undoubtedly has to be him...

EDIT: I think you need to provide a link where Itachi said there were a total of three MS users post time-skip because I never came across that line, bro...

[maximilyan]

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itachi new kakashi had it when they met up. That was kakashi's whole speach about the deteriating eye sight.

itachi still knows now. sasuke said that there are 3 people capable of using MS in the latest chapter, itachi showed no sign of disagreeing.

also, he said many times that there are three people capable of, or with the potential.

[Esponer]

maximilyan, how are you proving that Itachi knew? All we know is that he was surprised by Kakashi knowing about the eye deterioration. That he knew Kakashi had gained the Mangekyō is an assumption. It's not a bad one, but it is still an assumption.

And him not disagreeing is not a sign that he agrees.

[~rocka]

Originally Posted by maximilyan

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itachi new kakashi had it when they met up. That was kakashi's whole speach about the deteriating eye sight.

itachi still knows now. sasuke said that there are 3 people capable of using MS in the latest chapter, itachi showed no sign of disagreeing.

also, he said many times that there are three people capable of, or with the potential.

Ok seriously you are getting quite ignorant.

Here you see a flashback where Itachi says that there will be 3 users of the MS in total if Sasuke awakens it.

Spoiler:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/02/

Here you see Sasuke asking who that 3rd person is.

Spoiler:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/03/

And here you see Itachi saying its Madara

Spoiler:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/05/

No where in this chapter is Kakashi mentioned.

Also maybe its now clear to you that Itachi was mentioning; Him, Madara and Sasuke as the 3 MS users (if Sasuke obtained it).

[maximilyan]

True its not certain that he knew.. but what he said was enough to assume he knew.. or at least thought kakashi had it..

Here is a link.. scroll down and you'll find the frame im refering to.

http://www.inaruto.net/2005/08/narut...257-color.html

kakashi: how bad has your eye sight gotten

itachi: kakashi-san, impossible, you?

...

now given what we know about MS what else could itachi be thinking?

thats exactly my point. He knows kakashi has MS yet he still says Madara is the 3rd including sasuke in the equation. My point IS that he doesnt mention kakashi. the only sensible reason i can see for this is if madara/tobi has the same eye.