Gundam Battle: Freedom vs Wing Zero

dspr8_rugged · 03-05-2005, 09:26 PM

I found this in another place, and I would like to know your opinion on this one...

Who will win in the Gundam Battle between Freedom and Wing Zero (note: the series version, not that crazy looking Wing Zero Custom in Endless Waltz...)?

Share your thoughts on who will be the victor of this one. Whether mecha or pilot arguments, or what not... heck even silly answers are accepted...

But no idiotic answers like "Shinn owns them all!!" or "Deathscythe rules!" or like that.

I'll share mine later...

Mindless · 03-05-2005, 09:33 PM

I voted for Kira. Why?

Well, he is as stated, an ultimate beeing, the perfect human, the strongest coordinator. But he wouldn't win just because of that. Seeing Heero in Wing Zero in Endless Waltz against Wu Fei kinda made me loose faith in Heero. He looked so weak, wonder if he even put up a fight? Anyway, Heero ended up with his gundam totaly scrapped at the end, while Kira managed to keep his at least a bit intact. (An arm and a leg gone if im not mistaken)

Anyway, if we take the Wing Zero from Wing then (as you said I should). I suppose Kira would win too. Wing Zero has many times more firepower than Freedom but I think Freedom is alot more agile and fast compared to Wing Zero. So I say Kira would be standing at the end.

NejiHinata · 03-05-2005, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mindless

Anyway, Heero ended up with his gundam totaly scrapped at the end, while Kira managed to keep his at least a bit intact. (An arm and a leg gone if im not mistaken)

An arm, a leg, all the wings, and it's head were gone.

But, yeah. Freedom would win on agility alone. It's constantly dodge and come up behind the Wing Zero. And with the nuclear power system constantly charging the weapons and phase shift, the Freedom would eventually wittle down that stupid Gundarium armor.

EE · 03-05-2005, 10:25 PM

I choose heero yui he was just a awesome pilot and the wing zero was a awesome and powerful gundam it was very fast especialy with its wing upgrades

Nite · 03-05-2005, 10:43 PM

The only two things Wing Zero has going for it are the Zero system and its huge beam rifle. But that rifle seems useless for something as fast as Freedom. Freedom is more agile, faster weapons, and the nuclear power gives it huge endurance.

Plus Freedom is just plain cooler =\

Chopstickx · 03-05-2005, 11:16 PM

hey my brother made this thread in another forum

anyways...this was a pretty hard choice...
Kira is coordinater and has SEED mode, but Heero has Zero System and pretty much survives any explosion =S plus, both their Gundams pwn xD

so after much thinking i came up with a solution...Heero would win. why? cuz even if Kira has the upperhand or whether its a draw, Heero would just self-detonate and take Kira with him...but knowing Heero he miracoulsy (sp?) survives like he always does...

oh and one more little comment to everyone who says Freedom is more agile and fast...that depends on the pilot's skills and experience IMO. im not trying to say Freedom is a bad Gundam or anything but give it to another pilot and see if its still as fast as it is =/

Yaman · 03-05-2005, 11:21 PM

maybe if this was put to a fight of just beam sword to beam sword it'd be a little more even but still the freedom would win.

Nite · 03-06-2005, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gotnoodles

so after much thinking i came up with a solution...Heero would win. why? cuz even if Kira has the upperhand or whether its a draw, Heero would just self-detonate and take Kira with him...but knowing Heero he miracoulsy (sp?) survives like he always does...

I don't think even Heero can survive a nuclear explosion. =\

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Originally Posted by gotnoodles

oh and one more little comment to everyone who says Freedom is more agile and fast...that depends on the pilot's skills and experience IMO. im not trying to say Freedom is a bad Gundam or anything but give it to another pilot and see if its still as fast as it is =/

The poll says Heero and Kira with their respective Gundams though =\

xeleron · 03-06-2005, 03:20 AM

Wing is a better G due to the zero system. It transmits techtical data directly to the brain, which allows faster reaction since it predicts the enemie's next move. <= allow wing to beat freedom in agility.. Actually, any gundam with the zero system will win. It is like making the pilot a newtype.

Jack Bauer · 03-06-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by xeleron

Wing is a better G due to the zero system. It transmits techtical data directly to the brain, which allows faster reaction since it predicts the enemie's next move. <= allow wing to beat freedom in agility.. Actually, any gundam with the zero system will win. It is like making the pilot a newtype.

Yes but since Kira is a Coordinator, he should be able to calculate Heero's next attack and find a way to beat him since newtype brains think twice as faster as normal ones i think. Also I think Freedom and WZ have almost the same speed and firepower so it would depend, but if it was WZ Custom... Freedom better get the hell outta there.

*Thanks for the correction Mindless*

Mindless · 03-06-2005, 07:24 PM

A bit wrong there double-time: Kira is a Coordinator, not a Newtype.

Also I wanted to ask, why should Kira flee from the Wing Zero Custom? The WZC just has thoes angel'ish wings attached to it's back, nothing else.

A thing I didn't think about in my previous post was the Zero-system that is installed in the Wing Zero. If Heero is using that, Kira would have a hard time, but in the end, I think he would still win.

Chillin · 03-06-2005, 07:49 PM

Pure piloting ability even with Zero System it looks like Kira is the better pilot. The Freedom is more agile, fast, and better armed that the Zero. Kira/Freedom looks to have this one in the bag to me

dspr8_rugged · 03-07-2005, 02:10 AM

Actually, when I started this topic, I was undecided myself.

After thinking about it quite well, I guess I'm for Wing Zero, despite the fact I really liked Freedom ever since it came out. :D

Though Kira has the SEED Mode, he can pilot Freedom so fast that he can easily dodge Wing Zero's attacks. But he has less of a killer instinct, so his aim is to disable Wing Zero and not kill Heero in the process.

Heero has the Zero System in Wing Zero which greatly affects his battle performance, removing traces of doubt and fear in his mind, so that he can kill Kira with ease. He can pilot also as fast as Kira, but he won't be able to use the full charged Twin Buster Cannons unless Kira stands still, which isn't likely to happen. But of course, I doubt Heero will not rely much on it.

That's what I think.

zaga · 03-09-2005, 06:22 PM

If Heero self destructs Kira would probably escape *Kira and Athuran battle* and get a new gundam :p

I think it would be a draw, but i choose Kira cuz he actually uses his head more, but Heero uses a machine*Zero System* to enhance his powers, so if they both changed their gundams into a plain old zaku's I think Kira would Win

Chopstickx · 03-09-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by zaga

If Heero self destructs Kira would probably escape *Kira and Athuran battle* and get a new gundam :p

Kira didnt escape that battle completely by himself...it was revealed how he was saved in the GS Ashstray manga

Chillin · 03-09-2005, 10:42 PM

The only option Heero would have is to go at it with Freedom close range, which is suicide being that Freedom is more agile (not by much if this is Wing Zero Custom) and close combat seems to be Kira's strong point.

Hansel · 03-16-2005, 03:46 AM

I would say that Heero would win simply because he doesn't really give two shits if he kills somebody. Not to mention his armour is much more resilliant than that on Freedom.
However, I think that Freedom would still give WZC a run for it's money because of the whole agility thing.

TDW · 03-16-2005, 10:16 AM

Wing Zero is powerful, but I believe also that Freedom can have basically the same amount of strength, plus I believe that Freedom has more added speed then Zero, making it more likely to dodge the shots. Which is also attributed to better animation of course, but either way I believe that Freedom would be able to take on Wing Zero, maybe not easily since they are very good gundams controlled by very skilled people. You can never rule anything out.

xeleron · 03-16-2005, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gotnoodles

Kira didnt escape that battle completely by himself...it was revealed how he was saved in the GS Ashstray manga

How did he escape???

About Kira being a better pilot than Heero if both uses zakus, I really don't know about that. I remember in GW that Zechs analyzed heero's battle in his wing gundam. He said his battle skill/movement was unhuman or something to that respect. Wing Zero is also pretty good against close ranged combat, considering he defeated epyon (which is close ranged based with a zero system) Only time I would say Kira is better than Heero, is when he is in seed mode = zero mode for heero. But then, not many ppl can use the zero system, just as not many ppl have the seed mode..

so I say is a tide.

shadowtyphoon23 · 03-16-2005, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mindless

I voted for Kira. Why?

Well, he is as stated, an ultimate beeing, the perfect human, the strongest coordinator. But he wouldn't win just because of that. Seeing Heero in Wing Zero in Endless Waltz against Wu Fei kinda made me loose faith in Heero. He looked so weak, wonder if he even put up a fight? Anyway, Heero ended up with his gundam totaly scrapped at the end, while Kira managed to keep his at least a bit intact. (An arm and a leg gone if im not mistaken)

Anyway, if we take the Wing Zero from Wing then (as you said I should). I suppose Kira would win too. Wing Zero has many times more firepower than Freedom but I think Freedom is alot more agile and fast compared to Wing Zero. So I say Kira would be standing at the end.

heero wasnt even fighting wu fei. he was trying to stop him from making a mistake. so that cant even be considered a fight. he would have owned wu fei's ass.

View Poll Results: Who will emerge as the victor?
Kira Yamato/Freedom	106	57.30%
Heero Yuy/Wing Zero	79	42.70%
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03-05-2005, 09:26 PM	#1
dspr8_rugged GN-001 Gundam Exia Legendary Ninja Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: in your Exia, exterminating teh targets Posts: 5,122 Blog Entries: 9	Gundam Battle: Freedom vs Wing Zero I found this in another place, and I would like to know your opinion on this one... Who will win in the Gundam Battle between Freedom and Wing Zero (note: the series version, not that crazy looking Wing Zero Custom in Endless Waltz...)? Share your thoughts on who will be the victor of this one. Whether mecha or pilot arguments, or what not... heck even silly answers are accepted... But no idiotic answers like "Shinn owns them all!!" or "Deathscythe rules!" or like that. I'll share mine later... __________________

03-05-2005, 09:33 PM	#2
Mindless Ergo Proxy Elite Jounin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 2,592	I voted for Kira. Why? Well, he is as stated, an ultimate beeing, the perfect human, the strongest coordinator. But he wouldn't win just because of that. Seeing Heero in Wing Zero in Endless Waltz against Wu Fei kinda made me loose faith in Heero. He looked so weak, wonder if he even put up a fight? Anyway, Heero ended up with his gundam totaly scrapped at the end, while Kira managed to keep his at least a bit intact. (An arm and a leg gone if im not mistaken) Anyway, if we take the Wing Zero from Wing then (as you said I should). I suppose Kira would win too. Wing Zero has many times more firepower than Freedom but I think Freedom is alot more agile and fast compared to Wing Zero. So I say Kira would be standing at the end. __________________ Once Mindless, always Mindless.

03-05-2005, 10:25 PM	#4
EE Counting Backwards Torture Specialist Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,226	I choose heero yui he was just a awesome pilot and the wing zero was a awesome and powerful gundam it was very fast especialy with its wing upgrades __________________ SOTW 80 - Winner.

03-05-2005, 11:16 PM	#6
Chopstickx Doesn't want a Custom Title Jounin Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: southsidez Posts: 1,598	hey my brother made this thread in another forum anyways...this was a pretty hard choice... Kira is coordinater and has SEED mode, but Heero has Zero System and pretty much survives any explosion =S plus, both their Gundams pwn xD so after much thinking i came up with a solution...Heero would win. why? cuz even if Kira has the upperhand or whether its a draw, Heero would just self-detonate and take Kira with him...but knowing Heero he miracoulsy (sp?) survives like he always does... oh and one more little comment to everyone who says Freedom is more agile and fast...that depends on the pilot's skills and experience IMO. im not trying to say Freedom is a bad Gundam or anything but give it to another pilot and see if its still as fast as it is =/ __________________ gone Last edited by gotnoodles; 03-05-2005 at 11:21 PM.

03-05-2005, 10:43 PM	#5
Nite ---------- Academy Teacher Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 302	The only two things Wing Zero has going for it are the Zero system and its huge beam rifle. But that rifle seems useless for something as fast as Freedom. Freedom is more agile, faster weapons, and the nuclear power gives it huge endurance. Plus Freedom is just plain cooler =\

03-05-2005, 11:21 PM	#7
Yaman Celestial Special Jounin Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Planet Z Posts: 683	maybe if this was put to a fight of just beam sword to beam sword it'd be a little more even but still the freedom would win.

03-06-2005, 03:20 AM	#9
xeleron Gandulf the grey ANBU Recruit Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada! Posts: 559	Wing is a better G due to the zero system. It transmits techtical data directly to the brain, which allows faster reaction since it predicts the enemie's next move. <= allow wing to beat freedom in agility.. Actually, any gundam with the zero system will win. It is like making the pilot a newtype. __________________ Xeleron, GX Divider, hassha saseru!!!

03-06-2005, 07:24 PM	#11
Mindless Ergo Proxy Elite Jounin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 2,592	A bit wrong there double-time: Kira is a Coordinator, not a Newtype. Also I wanted to ask, why should Kira flee from the Wing Zero Custom? The WZC just has thoes angel'ish wings attached to it's back, nothing else. A thing I didn't think about in my previous post was the Zero-system that is installed in the Wing Zero. If Heero is using that, Kira would have a hard time, but in the end, I think he would still win. __________________ Once Mindless, always Mindless.

03-06-2005, 07:49 PM	#12
Chillin The New Sword Missing-nin Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,376	Pure piloting ability even with Zero System it looks like Kira is the better pilot. The Freedom is more agile, fast, and better armed that the Zero. Kira/Freedom looks to have this one in the bag to me __________________ Fanclubs and credits: Member of the Hinata, ShikamaruxTemari, Deidara, Zetsu, Gangsta Shino, Gundam, and Rurouni Kenshin fanclubs

03-07-2005, 02:10 AM	#13
dspr8_rugged GN-001 Gundam Exia Legendary Ninja Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: in your Exia, exterminating teh targets Posts: 5,122 Blog Entries: 9	Actually, when I started this topic, I was undecided myself. After thinking about it quite well, I guess I'm for Wing Zero, despite the fact I really liked Freedom ever since it came out. :D Though Kira has the SEED Mode, he can pilot Freedom so fast that he can easily dodge Wing Zero's attacks. But he has less of a killer instinct, so his aim is to disable Wing Zero and not kill Heero in the process. Heero has the Zero System in Wing Zero which greatly affects his battle performance, removing traces of doubt and fear in his mind, so that he can kill Kira with ease. He can pilot also as fast as Kira, but he won't be able to use the full charged Twin Buster Cannons unless Kira stands still, which isn't likely to happen. But of course, I doubt Heero will not rely much on it. That's what I think. __________________ Last edited by dspr8_rugged; 03-07-2005 at 02:14 AM.

03-09-2005, 06:22 PM	#14
zaga {~Rock Lee Fan~} Academy Student Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ? Posts: 5	If Heero self destructs Kira would probably escape Kira and Athuran battle and get a new gundam :p I think it would be a draw, but i choose Kira cuz he actually uses his head more, but Heero uses a machineZero System to enhance his powers, so if they both changed their gundams into a plain old zaku's I think Kira would Win __________________

03-09-2005, 10:42 PM	#16
Chillin The New Sword Missing-nin Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,376	The only option Heero would have is to go at it with Freedom close range, which is suicide being that Freedom is more agile (not by much if this is Wing Zero Custom) and close combat seems to be Kira's strong point. __________________ Fanclubs and credits: Member of the Hinata, ShikamaruxTemari, Deidara, Zetsu, Gangsta Shino, Gundam, and Rurouni Kenshin fanclubs

03-16-2005, 03:46 AM	#17
Hansel i am the weapon Academy Teacher Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 355	I would say that Heero would win simply because he doesn't really give two shits if he kills somebody. Not to mention his armour is much more resilliant than that on Freedom. However, I think that Freedom would still give WZC a run for it's money because of the whole agility thing.

03-16-2005, 10:16 AM	#18
TDW The New King Academy Teacher Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA MI MSU Posts: 303	Wing Zero is powerful, but I believe also that Freedom can have basically the same amount of strength, plus I believe that Freedom has more added speed then Zero, making it more likely to dodge the shots. Which is also attributed to better animation of course, but either way I believe that Freedom would be able to take on Wing Zero, maybe not easily since they are very good gundams controlled by very skilled people. You can never rule anything out. __________________