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Old 06-11-2006, 10:01 PM   #1
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Sharingan The Dark History of Uchiha: The Bloodline of Tengu <SPOILERS WILL GET YOU BANNED>

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Hyuuga clan is one of the oldest clans in Konoha. They have been there ever since the establishment of the hidden village. Many years ago there was a girl from Hyuuga clan who fell in love with an outsider. She decided to marry herself to the young man despite the strong protests from her own clan. But this man was no ordinary human. In fact, this man was not a human at all. His name was Sojobo. He was the King of Tengu.

There are two types of tengus, Karasu tengu (a crow-like creature with beak and wings) and Konoha tengu (also known as Yamabushi tengu). Sojobo was a Konoha tengu. He had long nose and white hair with a pair of black wings on his back. As the King of Tengu, Sojobo possessed some very mystical powers. He carried a fan made of Fatsia leaf that could create a storm (therefore people sometimes call this type of leaf as Tengu no Uchiwa or Tengu’s fan). He could teleport himself or any other things from one place to another. He could also communicate with people telepathically or even invade their minds and drive them to madness. Besides, Sojobo was also known for his shapeshifting ability. He sometimes transformed himself into human to interact with people.



Konoha tengu

Anyway, this girl from Hyuuga was in love with Sojobo taking the human form without knowing his true identity. She married him shortly after they met each other. A year or two later, she was pregnant and gave birth to their first son. Sojobo named this son Uchiha, Uchiha Madara, after Uchiwa which means fan. And of course as we know, fan also later became the symbol of this new clan.

Everything was good. Uchiha Madara soon grew up to become a very powerful shinobi. He not only inherited the Kekkei Genkai from his mother but with the Tengu blood inside him the Byakugan had evolved into an even more dreadful form—the Sharingan! This new bloodline had 2 levels: Normal Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharingan. Like his tengu father, Madara possessed some incredible magical powers. He was able to use telepathy to invade people’s minds, or even teleport himself across a short distance. When he turned on the Mangekyou Sharingan (he had the normal Sharingan on 24/7 just like his Hyuuga kin), the eyes would further intensify his powers and bring him even closer to a tengu form. He had developed 3 jutsus under this state, namely Tsukiyomi (to control people’s minds and drive them insane), Amaterasu (to teleport objects into another dimension)* and Susanoo (to create a storm like that created by a Tengu’s fan).


*You might be confused about this: when was it stated that Kakashi’s MS jutsu is Amaterasu? Well it has never been stated, it’s just another of my bold speculations. To make long story short,
Spoiler:
1) Tsukiyomi—God of the Moon
Full moon is usually related to going insane in urban legends. (Itachi used Tsukiyomi on Sasuke on a full moon night. Coincidence?)

MS Tsukiyomi: Drives people insane.

2) Amaterasu—Goddess of the Sun
Our Sun is a huge fireball. Its matter can warp the spacetime around it that produces an effect which we call gravity (In fact all matter can warp the spacetime around it, to a certain extent). Although our Sun doesn't have enough mass to form a blackhole, other more massive stars can, after their deaths (in a spectacular way called supernova explosion)

MS Amaterasu: Teleports things to another dimension by warping the spacetime, leaving a dark fire that will burn for 7 days and 7 nights to destroy the surroundings.

*A point supporting this is that Kakashi used his left eye to cast the jutsu and Amaterasu was born from the left eye of Izanagi.

3)Susanoo—God of the Storm

MS Susanoo: Creates a storm?


Telepathy?
Spoiler:

Sasuke invaded Naruto’s mind (Ch.308, p16)


Teleportation?
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Ch.224, p11


Ch.307, p14

Something to think about: Uchiha Shisui was feared as ”Shunshin no Shisui” but was it really the D-rank jutsu Shunshin that he mastered or was it something else…



Because of his bravery and almost unparalleled powers, Madara soon became a hero in his people’s eyes despite his young age. He became very close friends with Shodaime and together they took up the responsibility to protect the Konoha village they established. Madara founded the first police force in the Konoha and swore to protect his people with his life.

But good things do not last long. As Madara was about to reach his adulthood, Sojobo began to reveal his true intention. Sojobo didn’t marry the girl from Hyuuga out of love. He was only looking for a perfect body, a container (probably to achieve greater powers), and he figured the best way was to create one with his own blood. He was planning on taking over Madara’s body once he reached his adulthood. It didn’t take Uchiha Madara long to find out this appalling truth. He felt a mixture of shock and anger. He felt he was being used but he wasn’t going to give in such easily, at least not without a fight. But Madara knew only too well that no matter how strong he was he stood no chance against the King of Tengu. Out of desperation he sought for the legendary Bijuu—Kyuubi (the God of Fire).

Kyuubi was very impressed by Madara’s abilities. A secret pact was made and Kyuubi agreed to lend his power and chakra to Uchiha Madara. Soon Madara mastered the katon and he could even cast a dark fire that would burn for 7 days and 7 nights after performing the Amaterasu. But even with these newly gained powers and a huge supply of chakra from the Kyuubi, Uchiha Madara was only able to beat his demon father by a hair's breadth. He couldn’t finish him once and for all but only managed to seal him up. However, the seal he used was a very special one. To break the seal it requires the Kyuubi's chakra and also not one but 3 Uchiha members who can wield the Mangekyou Sharingan. Each MS user has to cast a different MS jutsu at the same time and when the 3 jutsus--Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo--combine, the great evil will be unleashed. It's a tall order and Madara thought it would be enough to seal up the demon for eternity. But what Madara didn’t anticipate was that this seal itself would bring a bloody massacre upon his own clan many decades later…

Here I will derail a bit and talk about the relationship between Shodaime and Madara. When Shodai found out about the secret pact between Madara and Kyuubi he was enraged. He thought it was hunger for greater power that led his best friend to the Kyuubi. Madara didn’t explain to him either because he didn’t want anyone to know he was a half-demon. Conflicts began to appear between the two who were once close to each other. The intense hostility eventually resulted in a great battle at the Valley of the End. (You might think that I depicted Madara as too strong a character and therefore feel skeptical about Shodai being able to rival both MS and Kyuubi’s power at the same time. Well you better not forget that Shodai had the ability to suppress Kyuubi’s chakra and his darkness jutsu and suiton might be very good counter-moves to Madara's Sharingan and katon respectively as well.)

OK, have a look at these 2 pictures before I continue my story.

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Sasuke stood on Uchiha Madara’s statue while Naruto stood on Shodai’s (Ch.218, p2)


Sasuke fell on the eye of Uchiha Madara’s statue (Ch.219, p16-17)
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Alright, now back to the main story. Many years had come into past since Sojobo was sealed. The tengu’s blood in Uchiha clan was now no longer as pure as it once was. It was gradually being “diluted” by constant marriages with non-Uchihas over the generations. Now even the Normal Sharingan was possessed by only the elite few among Uchihas, let alone the Mangekyou Sharingan. But the dark history of the clan was anything but forgotten. A tengu shrine was built underneath the Nakano temple by some of the early Uchihas to keep all the secrets of the clan inside (including killing your loved one to gain MS which was discovered by some later Uchiha). Once an Uchiha member was thought to be reliable enough he would be informed about the secret meeting place and it would then become his life-long obligation to keep these secrets from outsiders. The Uchihas considered this dark history as an unspeakable shame and swore to protect the glory and dignity of their clan with their lives no matter what happened.

20 years ago, a new member was born into an Uchiha family. He soon proved himself to be a prodigy, even by the high standards of the Uchiha. He graduated at the top of his class at age 7, mastered the Sharingan at 8, became a Chunin at 10 and an ANBU squad leader at 13. His name was Uchiha Itachi. As Itachi was selected to become an ANBU his father Fugaku felt that it was the right time to tell him everything. Itachi learned about the Mangekyou Sharingan and the origin of his clan from his father. Deep inside his mind, an evil shadow began to take shape…

One night, when all men of Uchiha were supposed to gather at the secret meeting place two of them were absent. Itachi lured his best friend Uchiha Shisui to the Nakano river and started his horrendous plan. He assaulted and killed Uchiha Shisui on that night and obtained the accursed eye powers—Mangekyou Sharingan from the death of his friend. The next day when people found Uchiha Shisui’s body they also found a suicide note grabbed in his hand. But of course this note wasn’t really written by Shisui. Itachi forged his handwriting with the Sharingan to make it look like a suicide. What was written on the note is important because it reflects Itachi's feeling at that time.

Spoiler:


Ch.222, p7


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I’m tired of the duties…
there is no future for Uchiha…
and for me…
I cannot walk out the “path” any further…

I cannot walk out the “path” any further? What “path” was Itachi talking about?

Perhaps these will give you a better idea.

Spoiler:


Ch,222, p12


Ch,222, p15


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You hold onto your organization, your clan, your name…These things limit us and our capacities…These things deserve to be shunned…It’s foolish to fear what we have yet to see and know!!

I’ve lost all hope for this pathetic clan.
Always living with fear—fear that people may find out the secrets of their clan, fear that people may know Uchihas are actually descendants of demon—they all swore to take the secrets with them to the graveyard. This was the miserable life of every Uchiha member. Itachi was tired of all these. He could see no future for his clan. He didn’t understand why his people felt ashamed of their own past. He didn’t understand why his people didn’t see their superiority to the normal human beings. He didn’t understand why his people decided to seal up such a great power and not to use it. Itachi had lost all his hope for the Uchiha clan because of the pathetic “path” they had chosen.

From the moment Itachi heard about the origin of his clan he felt a weird sense of pleasure and superiority. He felt he was somehow more special than the others. Then his sick and twisted mind had gone even further. He wanted to set the tengu free. He was willing to sacrifice his body in exchange for probably the strongest power the world had ever seen. He was ready to offer his body to the Tengu King.

Soon Itachi had put his thoughts into action. When he learned about the Akatsuki’s plan to capture the Bijuus he decided to join them. He needed their help to get the Kyuubi’s chakra. But that’s not all. Itachi still had to find another 2 MS users. After awhile, he came across a second MS user who agreed to help him carry out his plan. Now all he needed was the third and last MS user.

Itachi knew his clan members would never kill their loved ones to get MS. He despised them. They were a bunch of cowards, useless …oh wait, Itachi suddenly came up with an idea—he could still use them to achieve his purpose. He could use them to make his little brother the third MS user…

On a full-moon night, the ancient blood inside Itachi finally awakened and he had completely lost his mind. He killed his entire clan including his parents. Then he waited for his little brother Sasuke to come home. He wanted him to know he was the one who did it. He used Tsukiyomi on his brother to make sure such a traumatic picture would stay with him for the rest of his life. He wanted Sasuke to hate him. He wanted Sasuke to hate him enough to kill his own friend and activate the Mangekyou Sharingan. He told him about the secret meeting place so that he would find out everything. He wanted Sasuke to take the path he had paved for him—the path of an avenger...

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Itachi said it was to measure his capacity/container (Ch.224, p16)


Spoiler:


Itachi told Sasuke the requirement to activate the Mangekyou Sharingan (Ch.224, p19)


Spoiler:


Itachi told Sasuke the reason he let him live was because of his potential to become the third MS user (Ch.225, p 4)


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Sasuke found out the secrets of his clan inside the Tengu shrine.(Ch.225, p11)


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A closer look at the Tengu shrine. Notice the 2 tengu images on the walls.
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Spoiler:


Sasuke told Naruto that he was even more special (Ch.231, p18-19)


Spoiler:


The tengu blood inside Sasuke was awakened by his intention to kill his best friend. A pair of black wings grew on his back and his hair turned white, making him strikingly resemble Sojobo, the tengu king. (Ch.232, p6-7)


Spoiler:


Sasuke charged at Naruto with a dark chidori (Ch.232, p17)

The other 3 occasions where we saw something like this were Naruto’s dark Rasengan, Itachi’s dark fire (Amaterasu) and mini Kyuubi’s dark orb. This mysterious power was probably related to the pact between Uchiha clan and Kyuubi




Hints or Coincidences?

You decide it yourself.

1) *****
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Tengu statues in Chapter 314


Konoha tengu (left) and Karasu tengu
Spoiler:


Sojobo, the Tengu King
Spoiler:
2)*****
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Ch.181, p4 (Official proof that Kishi is evil)

What? You didn't notice anything unusual? Take a closer look.

There are 5 katakanas on that scroll: テングウチ or Tengu Uchi. There should be a sixth katakana below which is either ワ wa or ハ ha. (Thanks are due to shiinji and Chamcham Trigger ^^)

Oh, there is also a tengu plushie hidden somewhere in that room. Please find it.
3)****
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Tengus are said to emanate from the primordial Japanese god of sea and storm Susanoo, Susanoo was the brother of Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu.
4)***
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Uchiha Shrine wallpaper

Tengu Geta (One-toothed sandal)?

Also there is a bit on the posture of that creature.
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Perching
On one foot: Shows that a bird feels comfortable in his surroundings and secure in his environment. A secure bird will sleep with one foot tucked up to his abdomen and his head turned around and tucked into his back feathers.
Tengu is not exactly a bird but it's bird-like, so they may have similar behaviours. Also as pointed out by Quonina, many birds sleep on one foot. It probably implies that the tengu is "sleeping" or currently in a dormant state while being sealed up.
5)***
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Sometimes tengus are depicted with a flute and a magical gourd with endless sake (Thanks to QuoNina).

Chapter 15 cover
Spoiler:
6)***
7)***
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Compare the fans in these 2 pics

Sojobo image

Sasuke's fan and armguard (with a Hyuuga emblem on it) (Thanks to Sasuke 3759 for the pic)
8)***
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Tengus are said to be crow-spirits. When Itachi used a genjutsu on Naruto, Naruto saw him turned into a flock of crows.

Spoiler:


Ch.259, p4
9)**
Quote:
Ch.197, p8
Ch.197, p9

Neji: I still couldn't detect the last bird (crow). (Thanks to uncle jafuncle)


Neji failing to see the last crow was a hint on how that Hyuuga woman failed to see through the King of Tengu, thus allowing the possibility of the Uchiha clan being born? (Thanks to uchiha_sakura4)
10)**
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We all know that many character's names in Naruto have their special meanings. They are usually related to some characteristics of the characters. For example, "Uzumaki" means "spiral".

Here, guess what does "Kakashi" mean in Japanese. It means "scarecrow"(XD). Who is the "crow"? Sasuke? Itachi? Or some other Uchiha?
11)*
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Sasuke riding a bird with white hair and clothes! (Again thanks to Quonina for the pic)
Spoiler:
12)*
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According to Japanese legend, Ninja are descended from a mythical creature called Tengu, a half-man-half-crow hybrid with the power to alter nature and the minds of men.
This will give you some idea why Kishi may use this odd-looking creature in Naruto.
13)*
Quote:
Quote:
Karasu tengu can make a sound like thunder clapping when they fly overhead.
Perhaps this was how the idea of chidori came about?
14)*
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There is a rock called "Tengu Iwa" in Japan, located in the Lake Biwa (Biwa is a four-stringed lute, a type of musical instrument in Japan)

Here is a picture of Sasuke holding a Biwa. (Again thanks to shiinji for the pic and info)

Thanks for reading.




Credit goes to Grave, 4ghost and Kage no Yume for giving me so much inspiration.

For further reading on Tengu, try these websites
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengu(The most detailed source)
http://www.obakemono.com/obake/tengu/
http://www.thetengu.com/tengu/what_is_a_tengu.htm
http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/tengu.shtml
http://www.canit.se/~tengu/tengu.html


Other Translations

Spanish Translation
French Translation
Italian Translation (registration required)
Portuguese Translation
Chinese Translation
Thai Translation
Bulgarian Translation


Disclaimer: Credit goes to the translators. I take no responsibility for the accuracy of these translations.
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This was the godliest theory ever. Very well thought out. Reps for you, my friend.
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hmm ur theory isn't as bad as ando's and im not gonna say its uber crap....but i would say that it is improbable only because it would deviate too far from what kishi has done with naruto soo far... the whole demon blood thing just doesn't seam like it would fit into the narutoverse but then again i might be wrong.... interesting read though....good effort
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A very awesome read.

You have put a lot of effort andthought into this. There is a possibly that the Uchiha may have the bloodline of the Tengu. My only inferences of this theory is that the Tengu were very rare species that almost no one has seen before but the Uchiha have a high popularity, and that they wore masks. Though I can understand the masks' and there visiblty through society. Perhaps, Kishimoto has based the Uchiha on the Tengu line in which you are trying to prove.
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Perhaps, Kishimoto has based the Uchiha on the Tengu line in which you are trying to prove.
I thought about it before, so I asked Sho about the word "utsuwa" Itachi used. He told me that "to measure my utsuwa (container)" is not a common wording in Japanese at all. That's why I started to write out this theory. Thanks for the compliments everyone. ^^

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but i would say that it is improbable only because it would deviate too far from what kishi has done with naruto soo far... the whole demon blood thing just doesn't seam like it would fit into the narutoverse
Kyuubi said Sasuke's chakra is even more accursed than his. Something to think about. :D
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hmm ur theory isn't as bad as ando's and im not gonna say its uber crap....but i would say that it is improbable only because it would deviate too far from what kishi has done with naruto soo far... the whole demon blood thing just doesn't seam like it would fit into the narutoverse but then again i might be wrong.... interesting read though....good effort
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Simply really well done Yasha. Not only on the whole concept, but the way everything was displayed. It was well written, and put in a very coherent format, that any member could read and take in. I'm awe stricken.
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That was radical. I always said the Naruto story needs more demons. Great job.
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Yasha... This is truly a crack-pot theory!!!

(Huh? I am just reserving space for response.)
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dude thats the best theroy ever you backed everything up and it sounded good job
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This is by far the best theory ever posted on this board (at least the best that I've read) You supported everything with chapter references. The only thing that I don't agree with or that should've been elaborated further is your explanation of Sasuke's wings. You attribute this to his Tengu blood but it was his CS lvl 2.
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You attribute this to his Tengu blood but it was his CS lvl 2.
I think the CS 2 only brought out his hidden potential. So the curse seal and his intention to kill Naruto both play an important part in the awakening of his Tengu blood.
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i like your theory, although i don't think thats how uchicha clan was founded and i don't think uchicha clan is a decendent of tengu. However cool myth and some of your evidance makes sense
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Yes Yasha-sama. Your theory writing is spectacular. I've read it once so far, but of course, I'll read it again.

On my first read I thought about what you said about Madara being the son of Sojobo. This would make Madara the first Uchiha. If Madara was the first Uchiha and he was the friend of Shodai he would have been alive probably around 100 years ago (a very, very rough estimate). How would the Uchiha clan have been so great in number if he was the first member?

Sorry if you've mentioned it already and I missed it, but could you explain your thoughts on that bit.
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On my first read I thought about what you said about Madara being the son of Sojobo. This would make Madara the first Uchiha. If Madara was the first Uchiha and he was the friend of Shodai he would have been alive probably around 100 years ago (a very, very rough estimate). How would the Uchiha clan been so great in number if he was the first member?
Great point. Only marriages at a young age and "mass production" can explain this I guess. XD

Oh yeah, if you guys wonder how I got the idea of Uchiha Madara being a half-demon half-man hybrid, it isn't my original idea at all. I have to give a huge credits to Kage no Yume for his inspiring post to which I already provided the link.
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This is the shit.

Very nice, and i feel that this will come to pass.
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