Itachi and Sasuke comparing MS

[Gogetruhan]

sasuke has tsukuyomi. he tried against killer bee. he just failed at it cuz the beast interupted. anyway,itachis ms is better,he has it a lot longer,he is more experienced with it

[MS81]

Originally Posted by Gogetruhan

sasuke has tsukuyomi. he tried against killer bee. he just failed at it cuz the beast interupted. anyway,itachis ms is better,he has it a lot longer,he is more experienced with it

well tbh, it was his 2nd attempt and the 1st was against a fodder!!!

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

Originally Posted by godtachi

The mastery of tsukiyomi and amaterasu was meant only for itachi

Databook three disagrees.

as teh susanoo entry had in the bottom :user:itachi ,

We saw one Susano-o at the time.

actually the correct thing as stated by sasuke is when you master the thechniques in both eyes.

And Sasuke showed Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu.

[godtachi]

Originally Posted by Munboy Dracule O'Brian

Databook three disagrees.



We saw one Susano-o at the time.



And Sasuke showed Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu.

When did sasuke show tsukiyomi, if you believe that every MS genjutsu is Tsukiyomi, then

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

Originally Posted by godtachi

When did sasuke show tsukiyomi, if you believe that every MS genjutsu is Tsukiyomi, then

Every MS Genjutsu that has inverted colours (at any point) is Tsukuyomi. Show me where thats never been true.

[Nagatosama]

There is a parallel between sasuke/itachi and madara/izuna.
In his story Madara stated that he and his brother were even while both having MS.We can assume that their MS were even as well.
The same can be said concerning Itachi's and Sasuke's MS.

[godtachi]

Originally Posted by Munboy Dracule O'Brian

Every MS Genjutsu that has inverted colours (at any point) is Tsukuyomi. Show me where thats never been true.

Actually, if you're speaking about the kirabi fight, it didn't exactly have the same effect as the tsukiyomi we know.Besides,Every MS Genjutsu that hasn't shown a complete control over the space and time is not Tsukuyomi. Show me where thats never been true.

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

Originally Posted by godtachi

Actually, if you're speaking about the kirabi fight, it didn't exactly have the same effect as the tsukiyomi we know.

It did.

Besides,Every MS Genjutsu that hasn't shown a complete control over the space and time is not Tsukuyomi.

They did.

Show me where thats never been true.

You're mocking my words when you didn't even show me anything sufficient.

[Griever]

Originally Posted by Munboy Dracule O'Brian

Every MS Genjutsu that has inverted colours (at any point) is Tsukuyomi. Show me where thats never been true.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/388/11/
Before Sasuke even got MS.

:Tsukiyomi does alot of mental damage, killer bee was compleatly fine after Sasuke used his Genjutsu... i really don't think that was Tsukiyomi.

[godtachi]

Originally Posted by Munboy Dracule O'Brian

It did.



They did.



You're mocking my words when you didn't even show me anything sufficient.

Which control did it have??we didn't even see Tsukiyomi's realm.It was a powerful MS binding genjutsu,besides, it wasn't even instanteanous.

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

Originally Posted by godtachi

Which control did it have??

Its Genjutsu, the user can make any image they want in a second.

we didn't even see Tsukiyomi's realm.

There is no realm, just Genjutsu with the inverted colours present at some point.

It was a powerful MS binding genjutsu,besides, it wasn't even instanteanous.

You can't say it wasn't instant as you don't know the timing between panels and you can't say its a powerful binding MS Genjutsu especially when it has the traits of Tsukuyomi.

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

Originally Posted by Griever

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/388/11/
Before Sasuke even got MS.

:Tsukiyomi does alot of mental damage, killer bee was compleatly fine after Sasuke used his Genjutsu... i really don't think that was Tsukiyomi.

Right, it had the inverted colours were present and Tsukuyomi is a Genjutsu nevertheless -- all Genjutsu cause mental damage but apparently as Bee showed the partner method works fine to relieve that mental damage, even if its Tsukuyomi.

The fact that Tsukuyomi was overcome by a non-Uchiha using a very normal method is probably why people are denying that the Genjutsu is Tsukuyomi.

[godtachi]

Originally Posted by Munboy Dracule O'Brian

Its Genjutsu, the user can make any image they want in a second.



There is no realm, just Genjutsu with the inverted colours present at some point.



You can't say it wasn't instant as you don't know the timing between panels and you can't say its a powerful binding MS Genjutsu especially when it has the traits of Tsukuyomi.

But since it was instanteanous, Hachibi wouldn't be able to free kirabi, since by the time he notices that kirabi is in a genjutsu, the effects would have already happened.

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

Originally Posted by godtachi

But since it was instanteanous, Hachibi wouldn't be able to free kirabi, since by the time he notices that kirabi is in a genjutsu, the effects would have already happened.

Yup. But you're sticking to a backwards statement, the Hachibi still apparently snapped Bee out with ease, indicating some of the tainted chakra is still within the victim of Tsukuyomi's system.

Explains how Tsunade helped Kakashi and Sasuke get out of its effects.

[godtachi]

Originally Posted by Munboy Dracule O'Brian

Yup. But you're sticking to a backwards statement, the Hachibi still apparently snapped Bee out with ease, indicating some of the tainted chakra is still within the victim of Tsukuyomi's system.

Explains how Tsunade helped Kakashi and Sasuke get out of its effects.

But concerning Tsunade's point, it was after a long time of recovering, but since Kirabi seemed to be fine immediately after it, i wonder if he actually took a tsukiyomi hit.

[Griever]

Originally Posted by Munboy Dracule O'Brian

Right, it had the inverted colours were present and Tsukuyomi is a Genjutsu nevertheless -- all Genjutsu cause mental damage but apparently as Bee showed the partner method works fine to relieve that mental damage, even if its Tsukuyomi.

The fact that Tsukuyomi was overcome by a non-Uchiha using a very normal method is probably why people are denying that the Genjutsu is Tsukuyomi.

Yes all Genjutsu couse mental damage, but Tsukiyomi couses alot of mental damage.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/142/20/
Kakashi looks.. well pretty much dead on his feet after a shot of Tsukiyomi. All of Tsukiyomi's damage is done within seconds of it's use.

I don't really care if it was broke by a non-uchiha, actually if it was i think i'd prebably crack a smile but i don't know.

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

Originally Posted by godtachi

But concerning Tsunade's point, it was after a long time of recovering, but since Kirabi seemed to be fine immediately after it, i wonder if he actually took a tsukiyomi hit.

He did and got out of it. The manga showed this.

Originally Posted by Griever

Yes all Genjutsu couse mental damage, but Tsukiyomi couses alot of mental damage.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/142/20/
Kakashi looks.. well pretty much dead on his feet after a shot of Tsukiyomi. All of Tsukiyomi's damage is done within seconds of it's use.

I don't really care if it was broke by a non-uchiha, actually if it was i think i'd prebably crack a smile but i don't know.

We're given emphasis that Sasuke used his Mangekyou to cast the Genjutsu, then emphasis that the Genjutsu had the trademark inverted colours -- meaning the author wants us to believe that the Genjutsu was Tsukuyomi.

[MS81]

Originally Posted by Griever

Yes all Genjutsu couse mental damage, but Tsukiyomi couses alot of mental damage.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/142/20/
Kakashi looks.. well pretty much dead on his feet after a shot of Tsukiyomi. All of Tsukiyomi's damage is done within seconds of it's use.

I don't really care if it was broke by a non-uchiha, actually if it was i think i'd prebably crack a smile but i don't know.

but the thing is that once a person seen the affects of Tsukiyomi it's affects are gone!!!

I bet if Sasuke tries it on Kakashi he'll know how to counter it this time around!!!

[Sniffers]

I find it extremely hard to believe Kishi would make a bigger deal about Kagutsuchi and not mention Tsukiyomi at all (heck it was even a binding genjutsu). Every major MS tech has been mentioned apart from Tsukiyomi. That's strange. I won't rule out the possibility of Sasuke having Tsukiyomi already, but I think it's very unlikely.

[Honza]

Originally Posted by godtachi

Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi until proven otherwise.
...

what part of databook entry i posted dont you understand? Every uchiha who has mangekyou sharingan also has tsukuyomi.

Originally Posted by godtachi

But since it was instanteanous, Hachibi wouldn't be able to free kirabi, since by the time he notices that kirabi is in a genjutsu, the effects would have already happened.

Its not instanteanous, if it would, kakashi would know about that stabing. Yes, mangekyou user can slow down time in tsukuyomi, but how can you slow down something thats instanteanous? if it hasnt duration (0 seconds) slowing down would only result in 0 second.