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View Poll Results: The outcome of this clash?
Itachi could probably solo 16 19.51%
Kisame and Itachi probably win 28 34.15%
The Sanin probably win 38 46.34%
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:24 PM   #161
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Tsunade could easily repel Kisame or Itachi with her pure strength. Even so, neither Kisame or Itachi can O.H.K.O any of the sanin. Considering they are the sanin and were trained by the greatest hokage, I see them knowing how to counter genjutsu. Since there living in konaha during the Uchiha reign, i assume they are familiar with the sharigan and its capabilities. Also, I highly doubt that Itachi would run Straight at someone he doesn't know either. Also, if Kisame and Itachi are wearing there cloaks, then the sannin would know what they are up against.
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Anyone else realize that the duel between Dumbledore and Voldemort is very similar to the match between hiruzen and orochimaru?

I mean for starters it is a battle of the old man vs. a snake like person

second, the villain is trying to kill his former teacher

third, the old one uses a variety of techniques but water as a specific and the snake one uses a technique that deals with a snake

both old dudes are the strongest of there times

both snake dudes have surpassed their former teachers by a small extent

etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEYxb9FjeJI - wizard fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usQ5UHPLJoA - ninja fight
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If they immediately summon their bosses. Considering the distance and environment (water,) I doubt they would do this, and I hold even more doubt that it would occur before Itachi or Kisame engaged at close range. This is, of course, acknowledging that it's not in character for them to do so anyways, particularly against unknown opponents. They are all very arrogant after all, it would seem they don't rely on their summons for just anyone.
Unnecessary since Tsunade can one-shot within 5 metres, Orochimaru can one-shot within 5 metres, Jiraiya can one-shot within 5 metres.

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Unnecessary since Tsunade can one-shot within 5 metres, Orochimaru can one-shot within 5 metres, Jiraiya can one-shot within 5 metres.
One-shot shinobi of Itachi's or Kisame's level? With what exactly? Do these attacks of yours have feats backing them up? Like did they one-panel Orochimaru, Deidara, Naruto, Kakashi, etc? -snip-

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Tsunade could easily repel Kisame or Itachi with her pure strength.
How so? Against an opponent who can easily predict her moves and is much, much faster than her or against an opponent who has tangled with Gai, Neji, Lee, and Killerbee fairly easily? I'm really interested in hearing your logic.

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Even so, neither Kisame or Itachi can O.H.K.O any of the sanin.
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Considering they are the sanin and were trained by the greatest hokage
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I see them knowing how to counter genjutsu.
You see, I could agree with your blind assumption if it weren't for the fact that Orochimaru directly disagrees and that his knowledge, understanding, and skill with Genjutsu or Doujutsu is superior to both Jiraiya's and Tsunade's.

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Since there living in konaha during the Uchiha reign, i assume they are familiar with the sharigan and its capabilities.
Not all Uchiha can use it like Itachi can. Scratch that, none can use it like Itachi can. That's why Orochimaru was surprised when he had his hands cut off and Jiraiya was lucky that Itachi had no desire to capture Naruto while he was mad-dogging Itachi in the hotel hallway.

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Also, I highly doubt that Itachi would run Straight at someone he doesn't know either.
Bloodlusted means he would likely open with a Genjutsu and send a clone in their to strike.

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Also, if Kisame and Itachi are wearing there cloaks, then the sannin would know what they are up against.
Jiraiya didn't know what he was up against when he thought he could kill both Kisame and Itachi. After a few chapters, I think most will agree that he probably couldn't kill either of them in that scenario.
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Old 11-11-2009, 09:19 PM   #164
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Don't you remember that Jiraiya and Itachi were teaming up? That was all an act. Also, bloodlusted means they start with summonings.
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Anyone else realize that the duel between Dumbledore and Voldemort is very similar to the match between hiruzen and orochimaru?

I mean for starters it is a battle of the old man vs. a snake like person

second, the villain is trying to kill his former teacher

third, the old one uses a variety of techniques but water as a specific and the snake one uses a technique that deals with a snake

both old dudes are the strongest of there times

both snake dudes have surpassed their former teachers by a small extent

etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEYxb9FjeJI - wizard fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usQ5UHPLJoA - ninja fight
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Bloodlusted means they're out to kill. We've seen them in such a state and they don't immediately summon. Also, Jiraiya and Itachi may have been partnered in spying in Akatsuki, but it has never been confirmed in the manga and is somewhat unlikely as Itachi's knowledge of the going on's of Akatsuki far surpassed Jiraiya's.
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Yet Jiraiya knew almost instantly to bring out ma and pa against Pein.
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First, this isn't true. He went a good few chapter without them.

Secondly, that was the unique and legendary Rinnegan - not a Sharingan.

Thirdly, Ma and Pa by no means can break him out instantly.
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Don't you remember that Jiraiya and Itachi were teaming up? That was all an act. Also, bloodlusted means they start with summonings.
Do you really believe this?Itachi wanted his secret to be kept unrevealed(madara said that);Do you really think he would say it to someone like Jiraiya?Madara even said that the only people who knew his secret were Danzou,the councelors and madara himself
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One-shot shinobi of Itachi's or Kisame's level? With what exactly? Do these attacks of yours have feats backing them up? Like did they one-panel Orochimaru, Deidara, Naruto, Kakashi, etc? -snip-
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I voted for Kisame and Itachi mainly because, Itachi is perfectly healthy. He could easily trap tsunade in a tsukuyomi and replay the death of her brother and her boyfriend. That would completely destroy her spirit. On top of that, as we've seen so far orochimaru stands hardly any chance against itachi, and absolutely no chance against both itachi and kisame. Jiraiya would be the biggest factor for the sannin team. But jiraiya doesn't even know any of their abilities, as he very arrogantly underestimated them the first time they met. So itachi could probably easily kill both orochimaru and jiraiya with an amaterasu or a susanoo. And we are finally starting to see kisame start to go 100%, so I had to vote for the Akatsuki team.
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K does ANYONE here remember how Itachi one paneled Orochimaru? k so orochimaru dies, then probably comes back to life though one of his fucked up reincarnation jutsu, so then Itachi seals his soul with Sasuno. Kisame takes out Tsunade easily. Then that leaves Jiraya who would be thier toughest opponent but Itachi is tired and almost out of chakra but can still fight, and we know now that Kisame doesnt get tired but actualy gets stronger after a fight so theyl take jiraya down with mid dificulty.
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I highly doubt that the replay of her brothers death would stop tsunade. She knows she must protect her village and wouldn't let anything stop her. besides he wouldn't know about her brother.
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Anyone else realize that the duel between Dumbledore and Voldemort is very similar to the match between hiruzen and orochimaru?

I mean for starters it is a battle of the old man vs. a snake like person

second, the villain is trying to kill his former teacher

third, the old one uses a variety of techniques but water as a specific and the snake one uses a technique that deals with a snake

both old dudes are the strongest of there times

both snake dudes have surpassed their former teachers by a small extent

etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEYxb9FjeJI - wizard fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usQ5UHPLJoA - ninja fight
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Genjutsu accesses an opponent's mind. As evidenced by Itachi replaying Naruto's insecurities concerning Gaara and Sasuke at the Valley of the End although he had no knowledge of them. This may be because painful memories are stored in a certain section of the brain, locked away, and it's not too difficult to access them with a chakra prod. Not that it matters, at every instance in the manga it says over and over and over again that the only way to resist Tsukiyomi is to have mastered the Sharingan. Tsunade does not have a Sharingan and thus she won't be tanking crap. Kakashi and Sasuke survive due to a number of factors including, but not limited to, having incredible willpower themselves, and being masters of their Doujutsu.
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So whats Itachi's stamina stat for this thread?
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So whats Itachi's stamina stat for this thread?
When taken to the vote, 90% of people said it would be 3.5 or above. Considering what he did at 2.5 because of excellent chakra control this implies he would have quite a bit more at his fingertips.
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I am pretty sure that being one with your emotions you cannot resist Tsyukiomi, but it won't affect you if he replays your memories.
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Anyone else realize that the duel between Dumbledore and Voldemort is very similar to the match between hiruzen and orochimaru?

I mean for starters it is a battle of the old man vs. a snake like person

second, the villain is trying to kill his former teacher

third, the old one uses a variety of techniques but water as a specific and the snake one uses a technique that deals with a snake

both old dudes are the strongest of there times

both snake dudes have surpassed their former teachers by a small extent

etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEYxb9FjeJI - wizard fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usQ5UHPLJoA - ninja fight
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When taken to the vote, 90% of people said it would be 3.5 or above. Considering what he did at 2.5 because of excellent chakra control this implies he would have quite a bit more at his fingertips.
You're the OP. So to base my judgement on what you think his stat. is for this battle.
3.5 is the most logical, the "excellent chakra control" argument to imply he has above 3.5 stamina is flawed in so many ways, and the "more at his fingertips" would likely be a simple 3.5.

But clearly you and certain posters would believe its above 3.5, and since you're the OP I'm interested to know what you think it is. Once I know then I can make my judgement.
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