Sakura x Sasuke - Ninigi Uchiha, The Theory

[Ninigi Uchiha]

This is the thread about myself, Ninigi no Mikoto. I will be trying to show that Kishimoto has already decided on a special pairing. But lets start with this

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Just for the beginning... and even Sasuke doesn't dislike her towards the end:

This is just so that you get the picture of this theory. I am going to try and prove via the family tree in a specific part of mythology that Sasuke and Sakura is the most probable pairing. Also this theory explains the nickname that I chose. I thank Chickmashine for helping me out with this theory.

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These are the bloodlines of Ninigi no Mikoto and the Emperor Jimmu. (The first emperor of Japan) I'm going to try and prove to you that Kishimoto used this family tree in his manga.

Now the first myth I will introduce is that revolving around Ninigi no Mikoto. As you see in the family tree, Ninigi is the grandson of Amaterasu and Susano'o, two gods and both children of Izanagi and Izanami, creators of the world.

Ninigi was a normal god until the other Kami in heaven decided that they weren't happy with the way the Kami on earth were living. There was too much chaos. Amaterasu, Ninigi's great grandmother decided to send him down to earth to restore the order. Before Ninigi left, Amaterasu gave him a sword, a shield and a necklace, these items are known as the Imperial Religia of Japan.

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This is the Imperial Religia.



Sasuke already had the sword of Kusanagi:



and if he has the ability to use Susano'o then he has also gained Yata's mirror, an ultimate shield:

What I'm saying is that Sasuke represents Ninigi in this family tree and in the myth, just like the manga. So I will list up some facts that explain why I believe this.

Let's see how this myth fits in the manga.

During the Itachi – Sasuke fight, Itachi passed on Yata's mirror, a part of the Imperial Religia. That is something that Amaterasu did when Ninigi was sent to earth.
Check out what Itachi resembles. What does he leave behind for Sasuke:

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Itachi represents Amaterasu in this myth. He passes on the weapons. Itachi also initiated that Sasuke went to Orochimaru where he gained the Kusanagi sword. But there is another thing that happened during the Itachi-Sasuke fight:

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Itachi removed the cursed seal. Sasuke's seal was the heaven seal:



The former heaven curse seal represented Sasuke as Ninigi in heaven. When fighting Itachi he left heaven and was literally sent to earth. Get it? He lost the heaven seal he was sent from heaven by Amaterasu and was given the imperial religia

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[Ninigi Uchiha]

Sasuke's mother's name is Uchiha Mikoto. Ninigi's name is Ninigi no Mikoto. Ninigi was sent to earth so that he would restore order. I'm sure Itachi had the same intention with Sasuke. But even so, you know what the Uchiha family was famous for in Konoha:

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The Konoha military force



The Uchiha are associated with protecting, laws and order. The same responsibilities that Ninigi is connected with. The same thing that Sasuke wants to revive.

You get the picture. Sasuke represents Ninigi, pretty obviously.


During Ninigi's mission on earth he met Kono Hana no Sakuya-hime (Princess Tree of Flower Blossom) and her symbol is the cherry blossom. Sakura's name translated means cherry blossom.

So let's sum up: Sasuke will get together with Sakura, marry and have a child... This child's name will be something along the lines of: Hiko-hoho-demi.

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The bloodline of Emperor Jimmu

On the other side of the lineage there is Ryujin. Here is the mythology revolving around Ryujin, the dragon god. This dragon symbolizes the power of the ocean. He lives under the sea where he controls the tides with his magical tide jewels. Ryujin had a jewel...

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And this jewel was able to control the tide. What tide could the manga be referring to?

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Naruto will in some time use this jewel to control the Kyuubi's chakra. That is what Kishimoto already suggests here. He already states clearly that Kyuubi can be controlled with this jewel:

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This is during the Sasuke-Naruto reunion. Yamato said that he would supress Kyuubi's chakra. But when the necklace is gone he can't suppress it anymore. This necklace is used to cause a complete "ebb" in the Kyuubi-chakra.
But it's not just that. This necklace was already associated with dragons. What does Yamato use to control the Kyuubi's chakra:

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The dragon uses the jewel to control the tide.
And Shodai used this jewel before.

Again, you get the picture, Naruto resembles Ryujin since in the future he will use the necklace to control Kyuubi's chakra himself.


So to sum up, Naruto will have a child called Toyotama Hime, or something kind of like that. And now look at the lineage. The children of Ninigi and Ryujin marry and have a child of their own, Emperor Jimmu, the first emperor of Japan.


Now what this means is up for grabs but:

That is the connection between Sasuke, Sakura and Naruto.

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Now, check this out again. She holds Naruto but she holds Sasuke nearer. She marries Sasuke but she's still related to Naruto.

Thanks for reading, educated opinions wanted

~Ninigi Uchiha

[Aldric]

That's a lot like that Uchiha/Tengu theory

Lots of work put into it and I commend you for it but I highly doubt it's relevant to the manga in any way shape or form

For a more detailed opinion

You're making a non sequitur when you're saying that because Kishimoto was inspired by japanese mythology to create some characters then said characters will end up perfectly emulating their mythologic counterparts

Kishimoto has shown multiple times he picked a lot of things from japanese mythology but then used them in a completely different way

Best example would be the Sannin obviously inspired by the Tale of the Gallant Jiraiya. In the japanese folklore though Jiraiya and Tsunade were married, yet we all know no such thing happend with their Naruto counterparts

Your comparison between Naruto and Ryujin is also faulty, as is your absolutely baseless prediction Naruto would use the crystal around his neck to control Kyuubi: you aren't using a manga fact to back up your theory, you're making up something that hasn't happend and will likely never happen so that it fits with your preconceived notion Kishimoto is following your theory, it doesn't work like that

Kishimoto clearly showed in the manga more than the crystal it was the First Hokage's Mokuton bloodline that could control Kyuubi. That's why Yamato told Sakura he couldn't teach her the technique he used, because it's something only Mokuton users can do. Except if Naruto somehow develops the same bloodline than Shodai in the future (something I think we can all agree is impossible) then your comparison is void

[Kyuubi Ryujin]

This is a really good mythological methaphor. I actually like Naruto getting together with Sakura better but this theory seems pretty likely. Where as Sasuke could have been forced to be Ninigi, Kishimoto chose Sakura because he wanted that name. So it seems that you're right.

I five stared you. This is the first theory I clicked, I wonder how many of these I'll find!

[AiSakuraHana]

Woooow! This must had taken you alot of time to do! This is really awesome made! GOOD WORK!

[First Tsurugi]

What Aldric said.
Good theory, I was expecting much less.
The amount of evidence you compiled is staggering to say the least, but I don't believe Kishimoto thinks that deeply about the references he makes.
Also, you claim Itachi to be equivalent to Amaterasu, who gave Ninigi the Kusanagi, Yata shield, and the Yasakani necklace. Yet we don't know whether Sasuke has inheirited Susanoo from Itachi. Sasuke may not possess the Yata mirror, and likewise, not have the Yata shield as the legend suggests. He has yet to introduce something related to the Yasakani necklace as well.
Further, how does the Sword of Totsuka, also held by Susanoo, factor into things?

[WraithX959]

Great post, I'm glad you finally posted it, even without my contribution. For those that doubt Ninigi and that Kishimoto actually thinks this deeply, he really does and I actually came to this same conclusion prior to even meeting Ninigi. Also, Naruto will marry Hinata, they will complete the other side of the imperial line. Both Naruto and Sasuke aren meant to represent the same figures in most cases. They are yin-yang, two separate opposing, but symbiotic figures that make up a whole. Sasuke probably won't get the Yasakani no magatama, Naruto will. Of course that's just my speculation and it shouldn't be tied to Ninigi's theory.

My hat off to you Ninigi Uchiha, I hope you post more of your theories.

[Aldric]

Also, Naruto will marry Hinata

rofl .

[WraithX959]

Originally Posted by Aldric

rofl .

Doubt it if you want, but it will happen. Only a blind person couldn't see it coming.

[Seto Kaiba]

Originally Posted by WraithX959

Doubt it if you want, but it will happen. Only a blind person couldn't see it coming.

That or a person who simply reads the manga.

[spikes31]

great theory, holy crap you compiled a lot of stuff there. this might be the first pairing argument that i've seen that has tried to back it up with research. very interesting and it would be cool if your theory panned out. but like Aldric i think that kishi might be using that japanese mythology that you mentioned but not in the exact fashion. I think he will switch it around a bit just so we can't predict everything in his manga. 5 stars though, very well thought out!

[Psallo a Cappella]

Thought-provoking, sound theory. I must say, I thoroughly enjoyed the amount of minute detail that went into it, leaving less room for discrepancy or error, and things were put down in such a way as not to be twisted to individual opinion.

Great theory post. =)

[spikes31]

Originally Posted by WraithX959

Doubt it if you want, but it will happen. Only a blind person couldn't see it coming.

If wraith says it, then it must be true.

[Ninigi Uchiha]

@Aldric A very aggressive post but at least a relatively good one.

You're absolutely right. I'm not saying that I'm right but I bet you don't have any proof that is as deep as mine AND contradicts with mine.

Ok first you're right, Kishimoto uses myths as he likes. The Kamikaze myth (see chickmashine) for example won't be used the way it was told in the first place.

Concerning Jiraya and Tsunade, I don't think you're all that right there. He only took a small part of that part of mythology but Jiraya always wanted Tsunade and before Jiraya died Tsunade wanted him:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/380/06/

It doesn't count as married but they got together in that sense. But you can argue this myth.

I won't comprimise on Ryujin however. There is no doubt what so ever that Naruto represents dragons and Ryujin. But here:
Naruto is based off this dragon

Notice the clouds around him: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/318/03/
Notice the hand of the dragon: http://www.onmarkproductions.com/ass...e-kamakura.jpg

Now let's see the early Rasengan: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/167/17/

Originally Posted by www.onmarkproductions.com

further dragon symbolism: In addition it has whiskers, a bright jewel under its chin.

But this is a special jewel, the jewel of Ryujin, whether you want it to be or not. But the dragon is no compromise. And a beautiful catch on the jewel. You're right, only a bloodrelated senju can use it. If you want to discuss this with me then we can private mail, if you like.

Otherwise let it be said that he will be able to use the jewel.
//info to Aldric

There are several reasons why Hinata and Naruto will get together and I would have posted it if it wasn't completely Wraith's theory. He will keep right but I'm not sure he'll want to post it so it's up to you Wraith hehe
When we post together I'll give you the superior version to this and we can add your HinataxNaruto part and 2 further pairings I noticed because of you. Your Hatake theory is right but this will open him up for more... think about it wraith!

Originally Posted by spikes31

If wraith says it, then it must be true.

Don't just repeat - UNDERSTAND why it's true and noone can argue your beliefs.

[Starr]

Very interesting, well thought out. Good job.

[Aldric]

If you honestly think my post was agressive you musn't have read a lot of my other posts

I think a lot of your "proofs" aren't particularly "deep". I mean comparing Naruto with Ryujin because of a panel showing him being surrounded by clouds... It's kind of grasping at straws don't you think?

You're also overlooking something crucial, Naruto has been directly and undeniably compared to a god by Kishimoto, but it wasn't Ryujin, deity of the sea, but Fujin, deity of the wind, just like Sasuke was compared to Raijin, deity of lightning

As you can see Kishimoto uses a lot of elements from japanese mythology and mixes them up to obtain the story of Naruto, as such it's impossible to predict future events based on the original stories

[Chillax]

very nice. the resemblance of sasuke to niniji and sakura to sakuya is uncanny. I agree with you about the events/facets of future plotlines being taken with a spin of their own, using this only perhaps as inspiration, but I do believe you've made a great case.

[Ninigi Uchiha]

thx for the comments everyone ^^

Originally Posted by Aldric

If you honestly think my post was agressive you musn't have read a lot of my other posts

Haha this is fun
No, this last post was fine I just like to discuss things untill we have a conclusion and not a fight.

Originally Posted by Aldric

I think a lot of your "proofs" aren't particularly "deep". I mean comparing Naruto with Ryujin because of a panel showing him being surrounded by clouds... It's kind of grasping at straws don't you think?

Every technique that Naruto develops will have a mythological importance. The reason for Kage bunshin was that when they are eliminated that they go up in clouds. Ryujin was the dragon god of water.
Naruto's second element will be water, no doubt, Naruto is represented by a whirlpool and whirlpools sent you... underwater, possibly to Ryujin's underwater palace.
But you understand that Naruto definitely represents dragons in general right? Your doubt is with Ryujin?

Originally Posted by Aldric

You're also overlooking something crucial, Naruto has been directly and undeniably compared to a god by Kishimoto, but it wasn't Ryujin, deity of the sea, but Fujin, deity of the wind, just like Sasuke was compared to Raijin, deity of lightning

No, I don't overlook that kind of stuff. Sasuke was compared to Raijin, but are you denying that he's also connected to tengu

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Theory on Tengu
Tengus are the most famous Yokai, monster-spirits, and are also known as heavenly dogs. They are known demons and harbingers of war but also as protective spirits in the mountains and forests. They were originally thought to take the form of birds of pray, represented by their wings. They are supposed to derive from Susano'o.

These creatures are often displayed with a beak or a very large or long nose. In many pictures they hold fans made of feathers. There are also Tengu called Karasu, crowlike Tengu. And so named Konoha Tengu. A water-dwelling Tengu is the “River-Tengu.” These are known to shoot fireballs at fishermen.

Tengus have the ability to read minds and teleport from one place to the other.

Legends eventually ascribed to them great knowledge in the art of skilled combat, especially with swords and they are not always associated with Samurai but also often with ninjas.

The Shasekishu, a book of Buddhist parables says that there are good and bad Tengus. The good Tengus are protectors of Buddhism and in command of the later. Over several generations the people slowly changed their minds about Tengu and invented good version of them to oppose the evil Tengu in the fight over Buddhism.

Where is Tengu used within the manga?

Uchiha's in general are connected with Tengu. It is displayed in their sinister chakra: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/309/02/ and http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/309/03/
but also their family crest: http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/606...book0783dw.jpg the fan is something all Uchihas share.
But more than that all Uchihas who have awakened the Sharingan have the ability to cast visual genjutsu. It is literally invading the opponent’s mind by force. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/384/14/ http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/384/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/384/19/
The River Tengu shoots fireballs; Uchihas are linked with a grad fireball: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/223/09/
“The Uchiha mind is that of fire.” This sentence is within the Uchiha family crest.

But more than anything Tengu is shown in the leftover Uchihas. Sasuke is the one that we're most common with. We have Sasuke with the feathered fan: http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/606...book0783dw.jpg

Here we have Sasuke riding a bird like creature. http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...o&PhotoID=6135 Actually it's a bird representing a Tengu.

Then there's the more obvious hint in Sasuke's CS form:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/232/06-07/
The Wings are clearly related to Tengu. But his white hair is a bit more specific. The Tengu King, Jirobo, has white hair. Another thing to look at closely is the area around Sasuke’s nose:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/232/02/
He has an X there, marking the spot where he would either get a long nose or a beak. But the area is recognized by Kishimoto.

Sasuke is often also connected up with the river tengu. He uses his fire jutsu around water very often: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/227/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/223/06/

Then there is Itachi, was Itachi who is strongly connected up to the Karasu, the crowlike Tengu: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/259/04/
Also his crows are connected up to invading the mind. And of course Itachi later summons Susano’o.

And then of course there is Madara. He uses a fan: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/01-02/ And also he uses a jutsu to travel through space. He “teleports:” http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/396/02/

But back to Sasuke. Sasuke is strongly related with Tengu for another reason: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/402/16/ Tengus are attached to birds of prey. Sasuke is the eagle. Now check this out: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/332/08/

Is this foreshadowing or what? Sasuke is on Konoha’s side and in some time he’ll be slipping Konoha information on Akatsuki.

Also the mythological change from evil Tengus turning into good creatures could also symbolize the change of Sasuke over the time in this manga and his point of view on Konoha and definitely represents the change of Madara to Sasuke and their opinion on Konoha.

, Ninigi, Orochimaru (at times) and also connected to the pheonix? And on the side he uses the power of a sun goddess... and probably that of the moon god and Susano'o the god of storms.
Naruto is also represented in several myths. Myths on frogs, Kitsune and several different dragons. One god isn't enough.

Originally Posted by Aldric

As you can see Kishimoto uses a lot of elements from japanese mythology and mixes them up to obtain the story of Naruto, as such it's impossible to predict future events based on the original stories

And yet, Wraith has done it, Yasha could have done it if he hadn't made up an insane story (sorry) and Chickmashine has done alike.

[Aldric]

No, I don't overlook that kind of stuff. Sasuke was compared to Raijin, but are you denying that he's also connected to tengu

I'm not denying it since this is my main point

Naruto the manga is a mixture of different things taken from japanese mythology, that often drift away from the original source

For ex if Kishimoto followed japanese mythology strictly, then the Hachibi should have been a 8 headed snake who'd have fought against Kyuubi; instead we got an Ushi Oni

That's why concluding, like you did, that since Kishimoto got inspiration from japanese mythology for the characters of Sasuke, Sakura and Naruto (a statement that is highly debatable in the first place) he'll apply the exact same conclusion in his manga as in the myth he took inspiration from is faulty reasoning

[cherishedHOPE]

I'm simply amazed at the connections you made to prove this theory. I'm impressed and thoroughly convinced (and thrilled) that this theory can prove this pairing.

Great job!