3rd Mangekuyo User? (spoilers)

[SoundBwoy]

I've heard about this many times but I've never seen a reference to what chapter this is in.
I've not read all the manga, but from what I have I did not see any mention of this.
Can someone please tell me where Itachi says this?

[Invisus]

I've heard about this many times but I've never seen a reference to what chapter this is in.
I've not read all the manga, but from what I have I did not see any mention of this.
Can someone please tell me where Itachi says this?

It's during the Naruto vs Sasuke fight I think it's like chapter 227, he tells Sasuke how to get the mangekyo sharingan and that if he gets it there will be three people who can use it.

[Last of the Uchihas]

You can read it in chapter 225 on page 4.

[SoundBwoy]

thanks a lot. you saved me a bunch of trouble =D

[ashitaka]

Wow, don't think I ever caught that. I hope he doesn't mean Uchiha Obito [Kakashi]. That could be kinda lame that he could just happen to do it too.

[Last of the Uchihas]

Wow, don't think I ever caught that. I hope he doesn't mean Uchiha Obito [Kakashi]. That could be kinda lame that he could just happen to do it too.


Is not Obito, since Itachi say it in present tense, not past tense. Obito died a long time ago, so this Uchiha is a new person that we haven't seen. Hopefully a woman. :D

[Narutofan]

I don't like this... it's like whoever gets the mange Sharigan are the best ninja in the manga. Can't the big "boss" just be a incredibly skilled and talented ninja with no power ups and bloodline?

[That Guy]

Last time I checked Yondaime, Tsunade, Jiraiya, Orochimaru and Sarutobi have no blood inheritance limit.

Just becuase Itachi seems cool and unbeatable right now doesn't mean some bigger badder 'bad-ass' isn't gonna come in.

they're probably gonna bring in some 'Anti-Uchiha' ability or something sooner or later (aside from, y'know, looking down).

[Daemon]

if any of the sharingan users were to be blinded i'd assume that their bloobline inherintance would be rather useless but thinking of the 3rd it would be nice to see who it is. But think guys, Itachi might mean by 3rd that he will be the 3rd person ever, ya? Wonder who the first one of all was, ya? curiousity is fun...

[Last of the Uchihas]

if any of the sharingan users were to be blinded i'd assume that their bloobline inherintance would be rather useless but thinking of the 3rd it would be nice to see who it is. But think guys, Itachi might mean by 3rd that he will be the 3rd person ever, ya? Wonder who the first one of all was, ya? curiousity is fun...

No. This was explained before. Sasuke's father mentioned that there where a couple of Uchihas in their history who gained that densetsu sharingan. Sasuke's father used the past tense, while Itachi used the present/future tense. There a only three Uchiha alive that we know about. One has the mangekyou sharingan (Itachi), the other one is Sasuke, which will gain later on the mangekyou sharingan (don't know how, since he lost his opportunity) and the last one is the third misterious Uchiha, which seems to have the densetsu sharingan, from which is speculated that Itachi learned about M.S from him or her.

[RaitoRyuukashin]

the other one is Sasuke, which will gain later on the mangekyou sharingan (don't know how, since he lost his opportunity



HE will become best friends with kabuto.....then stab him in the heart

[Hiiro]

HE will become best friends with kabuto.....then stab him in the heart

Or Orochimaru. :D

[Sh33p]

I dunno if it`s a mistake in the translation or not, but in the manga I downloaded off of this site, Itachi doesn`t actually say use. He says handle. While this could mean there may be a third person able to use it, it could also just mean that there might just be a third person who can simply resist it. My guess is that the third person will be either Kakashi(Sharingan, plausible, but he`d need to get another best friend first), or Gai, who seems to have plenty of experience fighting the Sharingan`s normal form.

It could also just be a random Akatsuki wanker >_>;

[yelin]

or it could be naruto, anyone ever thought of that, it's very possible. i mean who needs sharigan when u have kyuubi, and itaichi wnats naruto bad, so there must be more to it then just the kyuubi. i bet anymoney naruto can withstand magekuyuo or wateva it's called.

[Last of the Uchihas]

or it could be naruto, anyone ever thought of that, it's very possible. i mean who needs sharigan when u have kyuubi, and itaichi wnats naruto bad, so there must be more to it then just the kyuubi. i bet anymoney naruto can withstand magekuyuo or wateva it's called.


Its not Naruto, that i can be 100% sure. Is an Uchiha, not somebody else. That was the whole thing about the revealing a third person with the mangekyou sharingan. Only those with Uchiha blood can develop this densetsu sharingan.

[Nyarlathotep]

If Naruto was the 3rd Uchiha then the manga would crash and burn before your mind finished processing the thought of Naruto having Sharingan.

[Final Ultima]

Sasuke's rejection of gaining the Mangekyou Sharingan when he had the chance and afterwards stating that he'd no longer be Itachi's puppet, and would gain power in his own way (albeit going to Orochimaru wasn't exactly supporting that statement), was far too ironclad for him to just take back the decision at any point. Sasuke will not obtain the Mangekyou Sharingan, and that is that.

[kevman112]

There is no 3rd user, only Itachi and Sasuke are left. There might be an unknown person who stole the eye off a dead Uchiha

[Narutofan]

Naruto is Obito's son!! I mean how much they look alike. but then of course Obito would be 13 when he lose his virginity.

[Hakkeshou_Neji]

If he let Sasuke live, why not someone else too? They said Itachi killed Uchiha and most people outside Konoha believe that all Uchihas are dead, but then, we know that Sasuke is alive, so why not another person?

[yelin]

Its not Naruto, that i can be 100% sure. Is an Uchiha, not somebody else. That was the whole thing about the revealing a third person with the mangekyou sharingan. Only those with Uchiha blood can develop this densetsu sharingan.


wat is a dentsetsu sharingan

[SaiST]

He's talking about the Mangekyou Sharingan. He just dubbed it "Denetsu"(Legendary) Sharingan, because... Well, that's what it is. :p

[Hiiro]

If Itachi meant that there will be 3 people who could handle it then that would explain some things.

In chapter 238, when they show that Akatsuki guy at the end with the eyes like Kurenai's, those eyes are the trait of illusionary jutsu users. That guy could quite possibly be the 3rd person who can handle the MS.

[Pirazy]

If Itachi meant that there will be 3 people who could handle it then that would explain some things.

In chapter 238, when they show that Akatsuki guy at the end with the eyes like Kurenai's, those eyes are the trait of illusionary jutsu users. That guy could quite possibly be the 3rd person who can handle the MS.

Kabuto's and Orochimaru's eyes are quite unique too, does that mean they could also be considered candidates for the 3rd Mangekyou Sharingan user?

Weird eyes does not equal special genjutsu abilities. I'm not saying the Akatsuki guy with the weird eyes doesn't have any special abilities, it's just that sometimes weird eyes is just that, weird eyes. There's plenty of character's with unique eyes that doesn't have special genjutsu abilities; Ino, Kiba, Tenten, Kisame and we haven't even seen the eye's of the Aburame clan.

There are also cases where the eye's are drawn a certain way to reflect the personality and mannerisms of the individual, for example, Orochimaru has snake eyes and Kisame has fish eyes.

[Molidir]

kurenai has a "wannabe" sharinghan eyes(im not saying she is, just a stupid post :p),

but from the chap 225
in the inane scan, itachi said to sasuke:
"if you open your eyes to the truth...
Including myself, there will be three people who can HANDLE the mangekyou Sharinghan."
"in that case... hehe.. there would be a reason to let you live"

and bla bla bla hate bla bla curse me bla bla live bla bla..

"and some day, when you have the same "eyes" as me, Come before me!."


thats stats that if sasuke is to kill him, he "needs" to gain mangekyou sharinghan (cause he his just plain stupid to look into his eyes again), and as for the third user, WE don't know a shitt, only it is one more person, kishimoto has a plan for that scene, wait and stop using your energi on a "third user" post every week, we are yet to know!

[SoundBwoy]

Inane translation states that "there will be three people who can handle the M.S."
What do some other translations say?
Because when someone says "he can handle an attack", i think of "he can survive that attack" not "he can preform that attack"
Its been shown that Kakashi has "handled" the MS... He survived.

[Molidir]

kakashi didn'y handle it, itachi just didn't kill him, he states by himself why he didn't kill him. same thing when he used tsukonomi on sasuke, he didn't kill either.. kakashi couldn't counter it at any way cause he does'n have the mangekyou sharinghan so he got owned but itachi kept him alive..

[blind51de]

Inane translation states that "there will be three people who can handle the M.S."
What do some other translations say?
Because when someone says "he can handle an attack", i think of "he can survive that attack" not "he can preform that attack"
Its been shown that Kakashi has "handled" the MS... He survived.

You're taking it out of context.

1) Sasuke/Itachi's Dad confirmed that only a few Uchiha have ever developed Mangekyou in history.
2) Itachi had said that there will be three living people who could use the Mangekyou. Not just endure it without dying.
3) Itachi chose to torture rather than kill Kakashi and Sasuke, because he's a twisted guy.
4) The Third Mangekyou user has to be a Third Uchiha. Logically, he or she may be in Akatsuki. Although this could is unlikely because Kisame had never seen another Sharingan before, not that Akatsuki are all acquainted with one another.

A theory I posted some time ago:
Sasuke and Itachi's Dad knew about the Mangekyou, and his speech implied that he knew about the special condition but wasn't going to tell Sasuke about it.

And I believe Itachi was speaking in the present tense when talking about there being two people that could handle the Mangekyou, since their Dad mentioned that "only a few have ever" achieved it. So... it's basically an Uchiha secret he was confiding partially in Sasuke with. I'm willing to bet that the Dad shared the secret with Itachi, trusting him as his eldest son and heir. But then again, the Third Uchiha is a major factor.

To the above statements, somewhere along the line (perhaps with the Third Uchiha's guidance? Itachi joined Akatsuki two years before the massacre, if it isn't a plothole.) Itachi's personality and philosophy became extremely radical. He found the entire clan to be useless and a waste of existance, because of the ties they held to each other and the village. This is why he chose to leave, and perfect his "vessel" (body).

My belief is that the Third Uchiha manipulated Itachi to murder the clan, (after all, how does Itachi learn the Mangekyou jutsus? The scroll, probably, but still...). Sasuke is an unknown factor. Itachi sees it fit to keep his little brother alive, because Sasuke was the only Uchiha he saw fit to let live (Sasuke wanted to surpass Itachi). He has no intention to fight, kill, or adopt Sasuke until Sasuke develops Mangekyou.

I cannot believe by any other means the Uchiha clan was destroyed except by Itachi. His twisted philosophy really shows it.

[Molidir]

nice theory, really like but a thing, we don't know a shitt except facts, and its all up to kishimoto.. but it makes some sense :)

[Code]

When you handle something you usually hold it. Or a handle is a name you USE.

But Itachi never mentioned Sasuke coming before him to die or to kill him. He simplky told him to come before him after he learns the truth and gaisn the eye.

Who knows. Could be some weird Uchiah ritual, 3 uchihas with mangekyo sharingans dance around use it on each other and blah blah blah. "Fuison ha!" they fuse into one person and I laugh.

We won't really know until we find out what the original purpsoe of the doujutsu is.

[Aleana]

There is no 3rd user, only Itachi and Sasuke are left. There might be an unknown person who stole the eye off a dead Uchiha


One would have to be of Uchiha blood... hence why Kakashi cant do it.

[Tsuchikage]

a decendant of sasuke's? i didnt quite understand the clan thing, for someone to have pure uchiha blood, a uchiha would have to mate with a uchiha? no, i think u would just have to have uchiha blood inside u, so maybe it will be a desendant of sasuke's?

[Hiiro]

Maybe Itachi has a half-retarded son named Peco that lives in those caves and Mangekyou's anyone who comes near him.

[heaven]

LOL at idane, thats easily the most logical post on this thread =)
... imagining a half retarded kid sitting in a cave when up comes kisame... heya pico whats happ...(kisame falls to ground)

[mimi_no_migi]

i think that the last mangekyo sharingan might be the leader of akasuki. that would be a hoot wouldn't it.

[caliboy]

if there was an uchiha in akatsuki other than itachi, wouldn't kisame know and rebuke the statement he made at the hotel, saying itachi wiped out his clan?

i doubt very much, there's another uchiha in that orginization, but i could be wrong.

[Rikudou]

Ohh man, that would mean at least 3 people are/were in Akatsuki that came from konoha: Itachi, Oro and the Third user. thats 3 out of 9: konoha ownz 2 much.

[Confucius345]

Could KAkashi use the 4th level of Sharingan Eye?

[stormrunner]

Is not Obito, since Itachi say it in present tense, not past tense. Obito died a long time ago, so this Uchiha is a new person that we haven't seen. Hopefully a woman. :DAgree there dude. Would be nice to see a lady with the sharingan for a change.

[stormrunner]

When i read the title of this thread, i thought someone was saying that the 3rd (kage) had the sharingan.

[Crucifixation]

Either way, I believe there's another Uchiha that we don't know of.

Let's take into account that there's 3 person who can use Mangekyo Sharingan, including Sasuke.
Itachi, Sasuke, and another Uchiha. It can't be Kakashi, as many has mentioned above.

Let's take into account that there are 3 person who can handle Sharingan.
Itachi, Sasuke, and unknown Uchiha.
It, again, can't be Kakashi, for in order for you to defeat (aka handle) Mangekyo, you have to be another natural Sharingan user.

So, as a conclusion, there's most likely a third Uchiha we don't know of.

[R_Lee86]

There is no 3rd user, only Itachi and Sasuke are left. There might be an unknown person who stole the eye off a dead Uchiha

Another Kakashi? I hope not -_-

[Jackal Iscariot]

oh no.... if the series show a guy who looks exactly like kakashi then...
what would u call him then? Dark Kakashi? :(

[HitokiriUchiha]

Perhaps there's an alternate evolution of the Sharingan. I don't think of the Mangekyou Sharingan as a level-up, but if its the eye of betrayal, there's probably a eye of redemption. Perhaps this eye of redemption is resistant to the Mangekyou. Or maybe there will be a 4 dot sharingan...

But back to the topic, the 3rd user is not likely to be a female. He'll obviously be an Uchiha, maybe a really old Uchiha, itachi's grandpa? I can see it now, Itachi bows down to old grandpa...

[Hiiro]

I bet the 3rd Mangekyou user is Stevie Wonder, I knew he was hiding something under those glasses...

http://www.alwaysontherun.net/stevie4.jpg

Edit:

Anyone notice how there are no negro ninjas? Whats up with that?

[knowledge]

lol the asshole part was a little extreme but....

I believe they are all asian, thats why no african americans or whites for that matter.

[Hiiro]

But Oro is almost as white as Michael Jackson, so I wouldn't say there are no whiteys..

[zeYondaime]

Anyone notice how there are no negro ninjas? Whats up with that?
http://img109.exs.cx/img109/575/negro6qh.jpg

[knowledge]

But Oro is almost as white as Michael Jackson, so I wouldn't say there are no whiteys..


LMAO I can't argue with you there

[Shoto]

Or Orochimaru. :D


LOL....but dun think is possible.....maybe he wana use oro's powers to defeat Uchiha....but dun think its possible seeing Oro himself stated that Uchiha is stronger than him....but seriously, i doubt so...

[TheAnti]

As for some Anti-Uchiha ability... I think having a Kyuubis powers at your service may help in this. Long live the Naruto vs Sasuke FEUD!

[saip0kguy]

maybe itachi let sasuke live for a reason, to awaken the Mangyekyo Sharingan, you need to kill your best friend right? maybe the next level up is for you to kill another MS user

imagine that.... two MS fighting each other, then when one of them wins, they will get another sharingan eye or the 4th dot on their eye like HitokiriUchiha said

[Hiiro]

Or maybe they wont.

[knowledge]

If that happens then this series will go downhill from that point on....

Sasuke slowly opens his eyes to reveal that he has obtained Mangekyou Sharigan 2!!!!!

seems a bit DBZish

[caliboy]

^ ^ he's gonna get it eventually, theyre brothers

[Gaara#1]

i thought the whole point of sasuke not killing naruto and saying that he will gain power his own way rather than the same way as itachi meant that he wouldnt get mangekyou??? or am i completely out the loop here?

[Hiiro]

Sasuke believes there is another way to defeat the Mangekyou without killing your friend.

[eskimoguy286]

Ever notice that Kakashi said that his "best friend" died in a mission? And notice that you must kill your "best friend" to awaken the Mangekyo?

[4thokage]

IMO its just a random uchiha that we didnt see till now

[prateek]

Kakashi does learn how to use the magekyou after the 2 and a half year time skip. But he isnt the 3rd user as itachi states in the present tense that there are 3 (before kakshi learns)

[Kuya]

the third user might be Lee

[naruto_uzumaki4563]

i have a answer as some ppl said itachi said if sasuke could do the mangekyou sharingan then there would be 3 users but kakshi doesnt count i think thats WRONG cuz if kakashi doesnt count when he cant do y would sasuke or they could be right and the mysterious akatsuki leader could be a uchiha but those r just my guesses

[ItsMrJedi]

My belief is that the Third Uchiha manipulated Itachi to murder the clan, (after all, how does Itachi learn the Mangekyou jutsus? The scroll, probably, but still...). Sasuke is an unknown factor. Itachi sees it fit to keep his little brother alive, because Sasuke was the only Uchiha he saw fit to let live (Sasuke wanted to surpass Itachi). He has no intention to fight, kill, or adopt Sasuke until Sasuke develops Mangekyou.


This is certainly true.

My theory is that after Itachi joined ANBU he became very famous, coz he was a true prodigy who entered ANBU at a young age what never happend before. And this event attracted many ninjas attention, like the AL and/or 3rd MS user.

AL contacted Itachi and told him about his ideas (those 3 steps, about power, that it is a waste to spend any missions for his village while he can achieve more: like ruling the world), Itachi may be influenced by this man and that's why he suddenly changed his behaviour in 6 months (after joining ANBU).

This guy who contacted him is most probably the 3rd MS user and told him about the Uchiha secret. He could also be the AL (yes I say that AL could also be 3rd MS user *). After Itachi heard about the secret he decided to kill Shisui to gain the MS and join Akatsuki.

I guess that killing his clan was not the initial plan. He killed them because he heard that there was an investigation going on Shisui's suicide and that he was suspected. Also the fight with those police corps members angered him, and he thought of them as trash/nuisance. He was afraid that the Uchiha clan would bother him in the future if he would leave the clan, so he killed everyone and it was also a good opportunity to test his new power(s).

That's why he did it.



* = AL could be the 3rd MS user, since it is very unlikely that we will see a new villian show up who has not any relation with Akatsuki. The 3rd MS user could also be Tobi, who told Itachi the secret and about Akatsuki (maybe together with Zetsu and/or AL showing up as a shadow).

However, there are some arguments why AL couldn't be the 3rd MS user, like:

-Kisame's response on seeing Sasuke was like seeing for the 1st time the Sharingan. Counterargument: AL didn't contact Kisame with his real body and didn't tell or show him anything about the Sharingan.

-Oro. tried to take Itachi, but after losing against him, he went for Sasuke coz that was probably the only other Uchiha left. If he knew that Tobi also has the Sharingan, then the reason is simple why he didn't go after him (coz of his 1 eye).

-AL's (back and kin) picture was showing that he had a different look than a regular Uchiha: he has brown/red hair, has tatoo on his kin, doesn't look very old, didn't know who Might Gai was, is probably not from Konoha but from a small? peacefull? village/city, where he lost his job or something.

[Divinstrosity]

I watched episode 131 where Itachi was tellin' Sasuke about the MS, and he said to him that if he were to obtain the MS, he'd be the third person to EVER use it. I wonder if that person said it that way, to kill all of the confusion .... or if that is, in fact, what Kishi meant.

[Sho]

^That's a mistranslation.

He said Sasuke would be the 3rd person who would handle it, not the 3rd person to ever have it.

It would be impossible in any case since the databook as well as Fugaku already states that there have been multiple people who have achieved the Mangekyou Sharingan in the past, and this is not including Itachi. It would be impossible for Sasuke to be the 3rd if he were to gain it if that's the case.

[dean212]

wow kakashi can use the mangekuyo sharingan u idiots

[HeartBeat]

itachi, kakashi, sasuke done

[BlastYoBoots]

itachi, kakashi, sasuke done

Kakashi doesn't count. It's Madara. Itachi didn't know about Kakashi before, and if he did, he didn't know he was capable of getting MS.

[iThink]

The first mangekyou user is Itachi, the 2nd is Kakashi and the 3rd MIGHT be Sasuke, however I think there's a higher chance that the 3rd one is Tobi(manga 364, page 17-18-19) who even gave orders to the akatsuki leader!

[Kyuubi no Youko]

Well it's obvious that he means Tobi.
So lets see if Tobi really is Madara...

[brokenpoem]

:closedEdo Tensei on the thread:mad. There are plenty of current MS/Madara/Tobi threads out there, jump on those, don't bring and old one up.

[Severity]

um... Tobi also has the sharingan so I'm gonna assume he can do mangekyo too.

[BlastYoBoots]

The first mangekyou user is Itachi, the 2nd is Kakashi and the 3rd MIGHT be Sasuke, however I think there's a higher chance that the 3rd one is Tobi(manga 364, page 17-18-19) who even gave orders to the akatsuki leader!

MIGHT be Sasuke?!?

"If you open your eyes to the truth... including myself, there will be three people who can handle the Mangekyou Sharingan. In that case... ...hehe. There our be a reason to let you live right now..."

Sasuke is freaking one of them (not to say that he HAS it, but that he CAN have it). Itachi is one of them. That means that the third one is either Kakashi or Tobi, and from Itachi's speech to Kakashi stating that only one with Uchiha blood could stand up to him, I doubt he thought Kakashi could really "handle" the MS.

[narutodestructo]

It seems Kakashi is not included as he was not "Uchiha enough" in Itachi's eyes to fully handle MS, so i agree with Blastyoboots.

[Madara Uchiha]

yes sasuke has the 3rd ms