Dragonball/Z

[NuBlitzkrieg]

I've read the entire official manga spanning from Dragonball through Dragonball Z. Any other fans out there? I'm more of a fan of Dragonball though.

[Code]

I'm a fan of the manga series. The 1st 20 volumes or so make up what is my favorite manga series. I've read a lot of it in manga form. I plan to read the rest some time soon.

[IronFist Alchemist]

I haven't read a single Z manga(I know,there's no such thing as "Z" :p) but over 400 chapters...lawd!I love...well loved the anime,is it worth going through the manga from start to finish?

[NuBlitzkrieg]

Yeah, the manga doesn't have those god-awful fillers, and gets straight to the point. Frieza's "5 Minutes" lasts like seconds when you read it. Plus you get the pure manga factual evidence, just incase you like to debate on DBZ. Like the strongest form of Buu, ect.

[Aruka]

I like Trunks, not the series.

[poona]

DBZ rocks like hell!! Fav character is 11 year old Gohan, just because he looks good.

[kevin77]

I also think the manga is a little better than the anime. But except for the fillers, there is no difference between the 2. (Most animes are different from their respective mangas). So if u already watched the whole anime series and want to go through the 41 volumes, be prepared to encounter some major redundancies. Is it worth it? IMHO of DBZ fan, yes it is worth it.

[NuBlitzkrieg]

Same here, but you must remember that the anime is like 30% filler, so the true story in the manga is more enjoyable.

[blind51de]

I own the complete thing scanlated and soforth. If I ever went to Japan, I'd buy a few of the Perfect Editions.

Dragon Ball is a good series, but it doesn run out of steam and get clunky, especially when Toriyama changed his original story so damn much.
It makes for a great gateway anime, though (not the dub, at least not the early dub).

[Ausar]

I own the complete thing scanlated and soforth. If I ever went to Japan, I'd buy a few of the Perfect Editions.

Dragon Ball is a good series, but it doesn run out of steam and get clunky, especially when Toriyama changed his original story so damn much.
It makes for a great gateway anime, though (not the dub, at least not the early dub).

I agree I was an avid fan of the Dragonball manga and the anime was basically my gateway into where I am today. lol Oh yeah the early CN dub was really weak...

[Cellold]

Yeah, it's quality.

Haven't got all of it in paper form, but I've read all of it via scans on the net. That's why my username is Cell, I guess...

[~K+]

My cousin has all the volumns other than Vol.1 and 3, so I used to read it everytime I'm over. I only have 36 and 38-42, but I still enjoy them when I re-read those.

[NuBlitzkrieg]

I just got the Saiya-jin saga manga like a week ago...thus meaning I finally read the whole series.

[piccoloneji]

Alright lately ive been watching Toonami and i caught a few episodes of Dragon Ball GT. I Saw some episodes of Dbgt back a few years ago when Dbz was just starting to catch on in the U.S. and i declared i didnt like it MUCH because they basically killed off my favorite character (piccolo). Now Ive been trying to watch dbgt on toonami and i keep leaving after every episode saying gahh i hate gt. Have you seen the new dbgt on toonami...gt in general is annoying....its all about the saiyans, all the old characters are weaklings or out of character, the new characters are just gay....and the new american version plays the same damn melody throughout the whole damn show....theres alot more wrong with it but ill end it for now with that. I personally liked DBZ CELL SAGA the best, everyone participated...everyone played some big part.....great fights, great story......
So the question is, what do you think about the dragon ball series, which sagas did you like, which characters, which series, and just the same, what did you dislike?

[Zyned]

I liked the DB manga and the early DBZ series. In the latter episodes it became too repetitive (Super Saiyan 1,2,3 and 4 in GT)...

Anyway, Piccolo was my favourite character.

[5il3nc3r]

DB was the best because it had an actual plot. DBZ went downhill. Started good, at around the freezer saga, it got so-so. Around the Cell saga, it was bad. When they got to the boo saga, it was awful.

DBGT was so-so all along. Artwork was good, plot wasn't that good.

My favourite character... Gohan and Trunks.

[piccoloneji]

because i started this thread...does that mean i cant add more comments to it.....well im still going to...

IM a huge piccolo fan....

The buu saga sort of used piccolo as a comedy relief, i didnt mind that so much, but wish he had gotten a chance to fight, well at least he got to cut babidi in half. Dbz Cell Saga gave piccolo a kik ass storyline though he wasnt the hero, all piccolo fans must have enjoyed his part in the saga (anyone notice that during the cell jr attack, piccolo is the only one really beating down on cell jr. vegeta and trunks were barely able to handle one, piccolo was taking on 3 at one point, and was winning) yet gt, they showed piccolo a few times, once when he senses a disturbance in the balance of good and evil, again when gohan is taken over by bebi and blasts piccolo into the ground, again when he decides to stay on the earth and die, again when he helps goku escape hell, but cant leave himself. And finally at the very end of the series, when he easily elbows a giant monster for misbehaving in hell. They were all very cool (and incredibly brief) moments....yet still gt sucked in that way....couldve given him a real fight...

[Ch0zen]

it was the first anime I really became a fanatic at, about 4 years ago. however, after awhile, again, it got repetetive, they really should have stopped at ssj2 if even that far. although I must admit, ssj4 does look pretty kick-ass.
the plot got idiotic as well, at first it was koo, y'know, revolving around how frieza wanted to eradicate the saiyan race, and how only the legendary super saiyan could defeat him, it actually had a plot at that time. then, we got into the android, cell, buu saga, where the whole story revolved on getting uber strong and whooping on even more uber strong baddies until they got so uber strong that everyone else got uber strong. they could have made a good story with it though, Bardok:the father of goku was a good movie with a good story, they should have inculcated that into the anime.
Broly still pwnz though, he's my fav. mad props to Toriyama still, he is good

[Jaynocide]

DragonballZ was all good. DragonballGT sux... It's Goku and only Goku, always Goku...It's dumb. I liked Vegeta and Piccolo the most. The story in GT is just boring. Everyone is MEGA WEAK xept Goku and it makes it annoying to watch since you always know what's going to happen.

[piccoloneji]

brolly movies were good, there were 13 dbz movies, and then a special lost movie that as far as i know can only be downloaded off the internet....its actually really good anybody seen it?

and super saiyan 4 goku isnt really a ssj form is it? i mean its just goku going golden ooharzu, then regaining his humanity and doing some weird transformation when he is ultimately stuck between being a saiyan and an ooharzu.....i think thats the logic behind it, although i agree that ssj and ssj2 were all that were really needed...ssj3 was fine too because it came with that limit that it sux up ure life force super fast.

and yea after the frieza saga, the story sort of became, yea theres strong baddies on thier way, and u must become stronger than them, but once u do, there will be even stronger baddies and u must get stronger than them........although the cell saga had a nice transtion into it....i hated the buu saga story. And heres a question.....if frieza was strong enough to destroy the entire planet of namek with a singleblast. and if during the frieza saga, the fighters could move so much faster than the speed of light......where does this physics go in gt, when they shoot a billion blasts that just create small craters...and are being shot at by guns....and WHY IS GOKU SO darn STUPID>>>HES IN THE BODY OF A KID>>>WHY HAS HIS MIND REVERTED?!?!?!?!?! AND WILL SomEONE TELL FUNIMATION TO GIVE GT AN ACTUAL SOUNDTRACK LIKE IN DBZ< RATHER THAN THIS ONE CHEAP SONG PLAYING OVER AND OVER>>......i dont like gt

[Mister Bushido]

GT doesn't count in the Dragon Ball canon in my book. It hurt me to see them continue it like the way they did. If Toriyama had continued it, it might have been better, but he wanted to end it anyways, especially after Cell. But the fans wanted more, so that's why it finished at the Buu Saga. And did you know that it was the Japanese fans who wanted Goku to be the strongest, not Gohan during the Buu saga? Weak.

[piccoloneji]

it was apparent that toriyama wanted to end dbz after the frieza saga. It was the perfect ending.....goku is the LEGENdARY SUPER sAIYAN, (one every millenia is born.....yea that didnt last) frieza is the very emobiment of Evil, hardcore epic battle on a dying planet....goku kills off frieza, no way off the planet......the hero finally dies. Great ending.....but there were some minor loose tails....like will vegeta go evil.....what happens to gohan...etc.....so the Cell saga was a great encore....all loose ends were taken care of, and yet again we see goku die (akira wanted dbz to end with gokus death i suppose) this time goku gives a speech about how he SHOULDNT come back (akira urging how he doesnt want to continue dbz) cuz he is the reason there are strong bad guys.....then comes the buu saga.....gohan should have been the hero, but the japs chose goku to once again come back and save the day...well it was obvioius cuz gohan was so wimpy. he shouldve been a cross of goku and piccolo (like he was as ssj2 gohan in cell saga) instead hes this clumsy nerdy fighter who wants to be a super hero...whats going on here?

[Mister Bushido]

Yeah, the Buu saga kinda disappointed me, but when I saw Vegeto, I was happy again (and pretty impressed that they crushed the potaras after the fact).

[Nonexistinghero]

brolly movies were good, there were 13 dbz movies, and then a special lost movie that as far as i know can only be downloaded off the internet....its actually really good anybody seen it?

You mean the game DBZ movie that was made for some pretty unknown console. What did you do in the game? First there's the first part. Then after that you choose where they go a couple of times. Then there's the last part.

It had great action, but the quality was so low. I just can't bear to watch it again. I want to have a high quality version, if there is one.

Anyway, I didn't like DB or DBGT all that much. DBZ was pretty good, and I rank it as one of the best animes. It's long, decent animation, good dubs (compare it to the rest of the dubs. Now all fandubbers sound like Goku for some reason...), pretty decent music too. Anyway, I just like it alot.

[Mister Bushido]

Heh, I have a bootleg version of the video game movies. :amuse

[piccoloneji]

You mean the game DBZ movie that was made for some pretty unknown console. What did you do in the game? First there's the first part. Then after that you choose where they go a couple of times. Then there's the last part.


NO NO>>>>its a real movie, its got some other title but on the net its known as the dbz lost movie. Its divided into three parts. Basically theres a turf (like bebi) who decides to get revenge on vegeta and the saiyans so he sends bad guys that z fighters already killed back to earth (they are just memories or something, not real, but they can still hurt u) most of the baddies are from the movies, ex. Lord Slug (piccolo takes him on, its pretty cool) eventually they go into space and find the turf and fight his robot.....very cool action, very good movie. look it up online, you can find it on many p2p programs such as limewire or kazaa (it still works, just really gay now)

[Mangaka]

Yeah, it's quality.

Haven't got all of it in paper form, but I've read all of it via scans on the net. That's why my username is Cell, I guess...


where the hell can you get dragonball manga scans on the net O__o pm me if you like.

Anyway I have seen the anime 3 times over In german 1 time in japanese 1 time in italian 1 time in english and 1 time in spanish. That means I have seen the anime 7 over and over again.. and I wouldn't mind watching it again,,, never have I or will I like a anime that much like dbz. I have also read the manga, and it is a masterpeice :D I just love this series. Toriyama Is the kind

[RadicalDreamer]

I have the manga series from Frieza up to Buu and two special edition trunks future and great king kai tournement.

Hell yea, i am a big DBZ fan :D

[CrazyMoronX]

I never got around to watching straight DB, the few episodes I did see made me want to see more, but I quickly gave up on trying to download all the episodes. I liked DBZ, but I am entertained pretty easily with mindless action. DBGT was alright for the same mindless action. That's not to say I don't appreciate a good story, but I think mindless action is alright too. Anyway, I download all the movies, even rented a few after they where released in english. And I have the bootleg version of the video game "Lost OVA Movie" thing. It was pretty good for just a video game thing.

[RadicalDreamer]

Does anyone collect the DBZ cards? I have like 20 special *flashing* cards. THEY are hard to get and are like babies to me. I will scan them and post them here some where later today. Stay tune.

[P-Nut]

dbz was good till the end off cell
and only good thing about dbgt was super17fight :O

[P-Nut]

I never got the chance to see movie 8 and 13 with brolly would love to see those ones :o

[Mibu Clan]

Does anyone know where I can get high quality DB/Z manga? (left-right)

And yes Im a DBZ fan....
I discuss and argue a lot on it too....

[piccoloneji]

dbz was good till the end off cell
and only good thing about dbgt was super17fight :O


Yea i liked the super 17 fight, though it was more like a dbz movie than anything. Thats how i feel about gt. It wasnt like z where there were actualy full lenth sagas, it was like a bunch of dbz movie ideas that never got a chance to see light thrown together. I think they wanted to bring back the origional dragonball plot and mix it a little with dragon ball z, but it failed horribly.
OH and by the way, yea i had that dbz collectar card game stuff, i still have the cards, a goku, raditz and piccolo deck have been created by me. Just the other day my little brother found them and wanted to play, but i realized that i hadnt played in so long, so i had simply forgotten how it was played. if any one remembers the rules post them for me?

[RadicalDreamer]

http://members.chello.nl/k.w.tang/card3.jpg

This is one of the best, there is lots more i have.

[shadowtyphoon23]

sorry but i got seriously bored of dragonball z a long time ago around the freeza saga.

[Code]

*image

This is one of the best, there is lots more i have.
I used to have about 2 of those like that. I also had this 3D holo one that changes images image when you move it. Trunks and Goten, though it was all green but it looked cool.

[RadicalDreamer]

I used to have about 2 of those like that. I also had this 3D holo one that changes images image when you move it. Trunks and Goten, though it was all green but it looked cool.

I dont have many BUU saga cards. Can you post it?

This one is what i could found.

http://members.chello.nl/k.w.tang/card5.jpg

There is two of them which are doubled. So when you removed the first one second one will be are flashing too. But i never saw how the 2nd one looks like :S

[Code]

I dont have many BUU saga cards. Can you post it?

This one is what i could found.

There is two of them which are doubled. So when you removed the first one second one will be are flashing too. But i never saw how the 2nd one looks like :S
I don't have them anymore. traded them away or got stolen. Only have a few. Might be able to post those if I can set up my scanner in a few days.

[RadicalDreamer]

Doubled cards i mention.

http://members.chello.nl/k.w.tang/card6.jpg

http://members.chello.nl/k.w.tang/card7.jpg

[Code]

Too avoid going offtopic somewhere else.

I thought about this for a few moments, but then I started to ask myself "What the hell is Code talking about?" I understand you like most of the DB series and have defended it on several occasions, but in most fights aside from the Raditz Piccolo/Goku (where strategy was used), everything has been based on power levels, scouters exploding, and absorbing things for more power. The only other fights where technique/experience might've made a difference would've been perhaps Gohan versus Cell (Despite him winning due to power) and Gohan versus Buu.

I'd rather not argue about another anime in the Naruto forum so.. maybe I'll create a topic elsewhere and let you know about it.
"What the hell is Code talking about?" Before you get full of yourself, be sure not to make a statement like that. Really doesnt' help you... (probably worded wrong or whatever but I dislike when people take superior tones and then say something I would consider false when I believe I made a logical point).

You say it comes down based on power levels, scouters exploding, and aborsbing things?

First off all. Power levels(chi or whatnot) is basically chakra. Just like Kisame having huge chakra and people shocked, Naruto getting Kyuubi chakra and htrowing around his opponnent only for him to transform and gain more chakra. But the "power level" is also a measure of the technique. Such as A-ranking, B-ranking, and whatnot. It is how much chi they can harness and such which take skills. Which results say in the case of the kaio-ken, in scouters exploding. Kind of like in Naruto how people gawk and go "OMG." But using a more technical way. It's like the databooks, but instead of making people say "I think tihs can pwn this" it basically ranks it in the manga itself not in some databook. You say the only fights where techniques make a difference was in Gohan vs. Cell and Gohan vs. Buu?

First major fight, Radditz vs. Goku. Both Goku and Radditz were well below the "power level" of Radditz.

First off all here's a little commnet made by Goku.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/Cotek/Dragonball/chap201i11.jpg
(Add to that Gohan had a huge power level yet he won't win in a fight...)

The fight came down to strategy and the makankosappo, which focused all of his "power level" in one area, the fact that he focused it in one area, despite his higher power level he got beaten.

Vegeta vs. Goku. Anyways... Goku and Vegeta. Vegeta completley overpowers Goku. Goku's technique the kaio-ken saved him.

Piccollo vs. Freiza. Well Freiza was dwarfing Piccollo in power yet he was getting his ass handed to him... (till he turned into Form 3 ... )

Goku vs. Freiza. Well Freiza completely overpowers him... in the end a technique uncannaly similar to the magnekyo sharingan in how its gained let Goku have the upperhand for a while. He had the higher power level yet due to Freiza's tactics was still near the verge of death in the end, using the strategy of using Freiza's own technique against him, he was able to win.

Gohan vs. Cell. Came down to the kamehameha, more about power and harnessing it in a technique you can say.

Goku vs. Buu. Came down to the genki-dami. Despite Goku's power level being dwarfed by his opponnent in the form he was stuck in.

So really, I only see 1 major fight where it came down to power and that was Gohan vs. Cell.

I can name every major Dragonball(volume 17 and before) fight and it didn't come down to power at all and it required quite a bit of strategy.

[Kamendex]

Piccollo vs. Freiza. Well Freiza was dwarfing Piccollo in power yet he was getting his ass handed to him... (till he turned into Form 3 ... )

Piccolo's power was greater than that of Frieza's Form 2's...that's why he was beating him so bad. Even after Frieza powers up twice more, Piccolo without his weighted clothing was still more powerful.

Goku vs. Freiza. Well Freiza completely overpowers him... in the end a technique uncannaly similar to the magnekyo sharingan in how its gained let Goku have the upperhand for a while. He had the higher power level yet due to Freiza's tactics was still near the verge of death in the end, using the strategy of using Freiza's own technique against him, he was able to win.

Frieza at 100% was stronger than SSj Gokuu, and that was SHOWN, Frieza was landing more punches and doing more damage. Then, his power started to decrease because he couldnt hold that form for too long. Gokuu only started to get the upperhand when Frieza started losing power...it's not like Gokuu was winning WHILE Frieza was stronger than him.


Goku vs. Buu. Came down to the genki-dami. Despite Goku's power level being dwarfed by his opponnent in the form he was stuck in.

SSj3 Gokuu and Kid Buu were about equal in the beginning of the fight before Gokuu started to lose energy and get weaker. Gokuu's Genki Dama had the power of every human on earth and some of the power of the Z Senshi. Gokuu didn't win because of his superior skill.

Basically, fighting with strategy was usually the main point in the early Dragonball volumes. I mean look at the Piccolo vs Android 17 fight....they were both basically equal in power, yet nobody had the upperhand even though Piccolo had WAY more fighting skill than 17.

[Code]

Piccolo's power was greater than that of Frieza's Form 2's...that's why he was beating him so bad. Even after Frieza powers up twice more, Piccolo without his weighted clothing was still more powerful.

I'm talking about powerlevel. Freiza form 2 was said to be over 1,000,000. Piccollo's powerlevel I believe in one of the daizenshuu's was said to be only around that of 800,000.


Frieza at 100% was stronger than SSj Gokuu, and that was SHOWN, Frieza was landing more punches and doing more damage. Then, his power started to decrease because he couldnt hold that form for too long. Gokuu only started to get the upperhand when Frieza started losing power...it's not like Gokuu was winning WHILE Frieza was stronger than him.

Goku initially was overpowering Freiza till he started getting bested. Freiza thenr resorted to the technique with the slicing disks. Goku beat him by using strategy and causing Freiza to fall to his own technique.




SSj3 Gokuu and Kid Buu were about equal in the beginning of the fight before Gokuu started to lose energy and get weaker. Gokuu's Genki Dama had the power of every human on earth and some of the power of the Z Senshi. Gokuu didn't win because of his superior skill.

... My point. He used a technique not had higher powerlevel.


Basically, fighting with strategy was usually the main point in the early Dragonball volumes. I mean look at the Piccolo vs Android 17 fight....they were both basically equal in power, yet nobody had the upperhand even though Piccolo had WAY more fighting skill than 17.
I do think that overtime the shift when from strategy to power/techniques. My point was that the person I quoted said it all had to do with power and techniques played no role(yet I'm sure if he were to have bashed DBZ in another way he would've said "Goku always did the kamehamhea, spirit bomb or whatever") and strategy was nonexistant. I don't see how what you said really went against my point.

[Kamendex]

I'm talking about powerlevel. Freiza form 2 was said to be over 1,000,000. Piccollo's powerlevel I believe in one of the daizenshuu's was said to be only around that of 800,000.

The Daizenshuu's were created by Bird Studios and are FAR from canon..hell, they stated that Radditz had a power level of 1,500. When in the manga it was stated that Radditz had a power level of 1,200. In the Daizenshuu's it was stated that Gokuu at full power against Ginyu was 180,000. When in the manga Gokuu was 180,000 using KAIOKEN. Piccolo was by far over 1,000,000 and was stronger than Form 2 Frieza.


Goku initially was overpowering Freiza till he started getting bested. Freiza thenr resorted to the technique with the slicing disks. Goku beat him by using strategy and causing Freiza to fall to his own technique.

Gokuu was overpowering Frieza at 70%. When Gokuu let Frieza get to 100%, Frieza was stronger than him and it showed. Gokuu got the upperhand back when Frieza started losing power. Gokuu even commented on this.


I do think that overtime the shift when from strategy to power/techniques. My point was that the person I quoted said it all had to do with power and techniques played no role(yet I'm sure if he were to have bashed DBZ in another way he would've said "Goku always did the kamehamhea, spirit bomb or whatever") and strategy was nonexistant. I don't see how what you said really went against my point.

I don't recall ever saying I was disagreeing with you :blink . All I wanted to do with my post was fix/explain some of the things you said.

[Code]

The Daizenshuu's were created by Bird Studios and are FAR from canon..hell, they stated that Radditz had a power level of 1,500. When in the manga it was stated that Radditz had a power level of 1,200. In the Daizenshuu's it was stated that Gokuu at full power against Ginyu was 180,000. When in the manga Gokuu was 180,000 using KAIOKEN. Piccolo was by far over 1,000,000 and was stronger than Form 2 Frieza.

Daizenshuu's is the only thing to go by as far as that goes. Are you sure it stated his powerlevel at 1,500? I don't have the daizenshuu with powerlevels personally but I don't remember anyone who did have it state it was 1,500.

http://img159.echo.cx/my.php?image=241285ye.gif
His true non-kaio-ken was 180,000.

So you are saying it's untrue and stating something not stated that goes against it? Even though you yourself made a false comment as stating that was Goku's kaioken.

[Kamendex]

Daizenshuu's is the only thing to go by as far as that goes. Are you sure it stated his powerlevel at 1,500? I don't have the daizenshuu with powerlevels personally but I don't remember anyone who did have it state it was 1,500.

http://img159.echo.cx/my.php?image=241285ye.gif
His true non-kaio-ken was 180,000.

So you are saying it's untrue and stating something not stated that goes against it? Even though you yourself made a false comment as stating that was Goku's kaioken.

http://img285.echo.cx/img285/9153/241233qw.gif
http://img294.echo.cx/img294/3610/241241cm.gif
http://img294.echo.cx/img294/6538/241253lj.gif

Now...what wasnt stated?

It seems that the Daizenshuu's arent as reliable as you claim them to be....

Btw, just check out the Daizenshuu's to see Radditz's power level...it WAS 1,500. But since the manga contradicts that....the daizenshuu's are far from reliable.

[SASUNARU<3]

YAAY!!! Dragonball kicks ass(i don't have to say Z becuz its the same thing). If you don't like DB due to the anime i dont blame anybody, but the manga is fantastic. a must read for all shonen manga fans.

[Code]

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http://img294.echo.cx/img294/3610/241241cm.gif
http://img294.echo.cx/img294/6538/241253lj.gif

Now...what wasnt stated?

It seems that the Daizenshuu's arent as reliable as you claim them to be....

Btw, just check out the Daizenshuu's to see Radditz's power level...it WAS 1,500. But since the manga contradicts that....the daizenshuu's are far from reliable.
Well I guess that the kaioken is considered his "real power" as said by Ginyu and what Goku said. But I guess you're right about that point.

[Potentialflip]

DB was the best because it had an actual plot. DBZ went downhill. Started good, at around the freezer saga, it got so-so. Around the Cell saga, it was bad. When they got to the boo saga, it was awful.

DBGT was so-so all along. Artwork was good, plot wasn't that good.

My favourite character... Gohan and Trunks.
So your two favorite characters of the whole DB universe are part of the worst parts of the DB universe. Sad.
Anyway this is about the manga right?! Its worth reading I haven't seen DB in a long time. So it was fun reading through it and remembering the classic. I have to say while everyone would say it went downhill after frieza I believe the worst was after the cell saga. Besides the final Sayian vs Sayian fight we will ever see in the series the saga just went over its expected life. I did kind of wanted Goku to stay dead after Cell. So what was the best way to end Z?! Well don't kill Goku in the end. How about that?! ironic isn't it.

[Mr. Toon]

anyone know where i can download the z manga?

[Code]

anyone know where i can download the z manga?
boxtorrents.com has it and you can find it on certain irc channels.

[Fuuma Kotaro]

gimme a site where to dl db/z mangas

[Kucheeky Badkuya]

gimme a site where to dl db/z mangas

boxtorrents.com has it and you can find it on certain irc channels.

Read the posts next time........ :amuse

Anyway, sorry to interrupt your debate but debating over power levels is pretty weak becasue I see it that most Dragonball fnas don't care about power levels.

My favorite bad guy, is Cooler and Nova[the only good thing that cam out of GT].

[Kamendex]

Read the posts next time........ :amuse

Anyway, sorry to interrupt your debate but debating over power levels is pretty weak becasue I see it that most Dragonball fnas don't care about power levels.

My favorite bad guy, is Cooler and Nova[the only good thing that cam out of GT].

Debating over stated power levels is not weak...

[SASUNARU<3]

gimme a site where to dl db/z mangas

you can get direct downloads at Direct Manga (www.Directmanga.com)