Komamura's Bankai - He Deceived Us All.

[Trias]

[Quickly-getting-to-the-point-mode-on]

Yes, he deceived us all. What was claimed to be his bankai by him, was nothing more than his Shikai in fact.

When he had first used his Bankai, it was the Kenpachi Fight, and he had already mentioned that he had got no reason to show him his Bankai. Even before he releases his bankai, we see his bankai's hands punching the ground, just before Tousen uses Suzumushi form 2.

How can he use parts of his Bankai before he releases it?

The theory is here: He uses Shikai from the start, and when he starts fighting with Kenpachi, he again releases his Shikai's second form or something, and claims it to be his bankai.

Again, we see his "partial bankai" when he jumps near Aizen. A huge sword and a huge fist, attacking Aizen. But, he later tries to use Bankai, and then gets imprisoned (and knocked out) by the Kidou: Black Coffin. If he had already using his Bankai, why bother to say Bankai again? To make scene more dramatic? I don't think so.

Here are the full support thoughts and pages.

Minor Supports:

* We haven't seen Komamura's Shikai. If you have got Bankai, you can use Shikai without calling it's name, but you can't use a Bankai without calling it's name. Therefore, if enemy doesn't not know your Bankai, you can fool him by releasing your Shikai and claiming it as a bankai. See all the below.

* Komamura states that he has got no reason to show his Bankai to a traitor like kenpachi.

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* Komamura state that Kenpachi is monter for taking Tousen's attack and his Tenken's Attack and surviving. Well, Tenken is the short name of his so called Bankai. I can't remember the whole name though, nor I have the patience to search for it's complete name.

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Major Supports:

* Komamura attacks Aizen, and we see his Giant's sword and hand punching and slashing towards Aizen. But, he didn't release his second seal; He wasn't using Bankai. If he was using a Bankai, then why did he attempted to say Bankai again and try to release it against Aizen just before he got imprisoned by Black Coffin?

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In Kenpachi vs. Komamura and Tousen fight, we again see his Tenken's fist but there is no Bankai around, he claims to use his "Bankai" later.

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* Komamura attempts to use Bankai, even though we see his so called "Bankai". If that was his Bankai, then what is this? We've never known a Captain that can release Bankai without calling it's name, but captains who achieved Bankai can release their Shikai's without calling their name.

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[Yak]

I disagree. Having the arm-part of that what he calls his Bankai isn't contradicting the Bankai itself. You can see that there is a difference in both forms shikai and bankai simply by looking at his sword.

In Shikai-mode he may be able to use that giant arm with a oversized version of his unreleased Zanpaktou. Its probably nothing but a mimic-zanpaktou shikai that comes with a giant large-scale destruction force.

His Bankai however materializes the giant as a whole with a complete body and - look it up - the sword looks different from the oversized unreleased zanpaktou version, too. The main feat of the Bankai would probably be that it is permanent and has a complete body that mimiks everything Komamura does, not just a single-strike and poof! - its gone again, just like his shikai is.

[Kisame]

Yeah it was his bankai.

Shikai is his own body parts grown bigger.


Bankai its a saber and demon gauntlet hands.

[Trias]

I disagree. Having the arm-part of that what he calls his Bankai isn't contradicting the Bankai itself. You can see that there is a difference in both forms shikai and bankai simply by looking at his sword.

In Shikai-mode he may be able to use that giant arm with a oversized version of his unreleased Zanpaktou. Its probably nothing but a mimic-zanpaktou shikai that comes with a giant large-scale destruction force.

His Bankai however materializes the giant as a whole with a complete body and - look it up - the sword looks different from the oversized unreleased zanpaktou version, too. The main feat of the Bankai would probably be that it is permanent and has a complete body that mimiks everything Komamura does, not just a single-strike and poof! - its gone again, just like his shikai is.

Only difference between Shikai and Bankai is the middle-blade of the sword, and the fists are exactly same (Giant's fists are same with Komamura's, too)
But well, that's a point I haven't realised, for sure... I mean, the blade... It really "decayed" my theory, but well, there are two panels where we see his "shikai"s giant sword, and well; Tite Kubo appears to forget Grimjaw's teeth fragment for two times this far, as well! But still... yeah.

If only difference between his Shikai and Bankai means permamency and materialization, and the ultimate imitation... Then Shikai appears to be greater than his Bankai:

A huge giant imitating your moves is just causes lack of flexibility in combat, and permamency & materialization means it is open for the attacks; rather than that, an attack that appears once you swing your sword and then disappears is much more useful, isn't it? (Tries to avoid the fact :nuts )

Yeah it was his bankai.

Shikai is his own body parts grown bigger.

Bankai its a saber and demon gauntlet hands.

As I said, We have only seen "fists" and "sword" of the thing you call Shikai, and even though sword differs (but only the middle part of it's blade, in fact) fists are totally same, as in his "bankai".

[Yak]

Only difference between Shikai and Bankai is the middle-blade of the sword, and the fists are exactly same (Giant's fists are same with Komamura's, too)
But well, that's a point I haven't realised, for sure... I mean, the blade... It really "decayed" my theory, but well, there are two panels where we see his "shikai"s giant sword, and well; Tite Kubo appears to forget Grimjaw's teeth fragment for two times this far, as well! But still... yeah.

If only difference between his Shikai and Bankai means permamency and materialization, and the ultimate imitation... Then Shikai appears to be greater than his Bankai:

A huge giant imitating your moves is just causes lack of flexibility in combat, and permamency & materialization means it is open for the attacks; rather than that, an attack that appears once you swing your sword and then disappears is much more useful, isn't it? (Tries to avoid the fact :nuts )




We don't know enough about his supposed Bankai to tell what its abilities are. Its usage always depends on the situation. Plus, how do we know that the giant is "unflexible" as you state? For all we know it is possible for that huge thing to move simultaneously with Komamura and since even that tall "Bastard-Wolf" can do a shunpo... :nuts

[anbutofu]

dont forget, byakuyas shikai is similar to his bankai. that doesnt mean though that komu's bankai doesnt have different forms/levels. i cant wait to see more action from the other captains.

[Yak]

That's right, I agree. But I still think it is not possible to fool someone with the Bankai command. Soul Slayers are extended versions of the shinigami's soul, yes. But they are also individuals, not tools.

Komamuras Bankai or Shikai for that matter isn't a laser sword where you simply press a button and it works and you yell "Bankai!" just for fun. Calling out the name of the Soul Slayer or the Bankai-form is a command. Its just like telling your dog to come and when he finally comes you can't pretend you haven't called him.

The Zanpaktou reacts to the command. If the user calls out Bankai then the Zanpaktou reacts and goes into Bankai mode no matter what. It doesn't read your mind and you can hope that it realises you're trying to fool someone and the Zanpaktou does a shikai instead. That's just not working.

The only one who could probably fool someone with his Bankai is Aizen due to the nature of his shikai but I doubt Komamura could.

[Zack_Strife]

A huge giant imitating your moves is just causes lack of flexibility in combat, and permamency & materialization means it is open for the attacks; rather than that, an attack that appears once you swing your sword and then disappears is much more useful, isn't it? (Tries to avoid the fact :nuts )

A technique's usefulness doesn't really affect the truth of the situation. Look at Tousen's Bankai, it was pretty much useless against Zaraki but the fact it was useless doesn't magically make it not his Bankai.
At anyrate we've seen practically nothing og Komamura's Bankai so far. We can't comment on it's durability or any secondary technique's it may have access to. It's entirely possible it can defend as well as attack and it may mimmick Kidou attacks on a massive scale as well. Just because what we have seen has sucked doesn't mean we can easily dismiss it.

[sperm worm]

his bankai is the fucking giant warrior thing. stop talking about something that's already been proved to be his bankai.

[Last of the Arrancar]

Why is this important ? What do you expect he will be capable of if that isn't supposed to be his bankai ?

Is Komamura gonna kill Aizen and behead Ichigo and take his place as Protagonist ?

[Kimi Sama]

Well aside from the fact I can see absolutely no reason for Kubo to bother setting up something like this for someone so unimportant as Komamura, there are some problems with your examples.

First of all, Komamura stated Zaraki wasnt worth using a Bankai on before Tousen used his own Bankai and got the shit beaten out of him. It's not too hard to imagine Komamura changing his mind after that.

As for him having the giant armoured fist released already and then saying ban kai later anyway, well theres two possible reasons;

The giant fist is a shikai release, and the full Tengen armour is the Bankai. Byakuya's bankai is basically a suped up version of his shikai afterall, so why not the same for Foxbloke?

The other possibility is that when he was announcing bankai, he was going to use a more powerful form - again in the same way Byakuya uses different forms and says the name out for each one.

But yeah anyway, most importantly I just cant see Komamura warranting this kind of attention.

[MrChrono]

If you look at the anime, it is fairly safe to say we have seen his bankai.
In ep 52-53 near the end, he get a red glow and calls out his bankai;
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a couple of seconds later he calls out the name (Kokujyou Tenban Myouau) with the following results :P
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It is indeed weird when they are on Soukyoku hill when Komamura attacks Aizen you see the arm of his bankai, and later he calls his bankai out (again?), but judging from the Komamura vs Zaraki fight I'd say we actually did see his bankai.
It would make no sense that he wouldn't use bankai after Tousen got his ass kicked by Zaraki, even using his bankai, that Komamura would be so overconfident he wouldn't even release his bankai.
Also, considering a shikai is used relatively often it would be a troublesome, going on Isshin's wise words "he'd would be walking around with a skyscraper"