[224] Source of Chad's Powers?

[yo586]

Urahara: (That's for sure... Battling constantly again and again with a Bankai should do it... The problem at hand here is that it can't be said that your powers align with that of a Shinigami or even a Quincy... So... I suppose that it's...)

Hollow?!? That would be really cool, and I guess make a little sense in terms of what his arm looks like. Well what other options are there?

Discuss.

[Mindless]

Well, Chad's power was very strange from the start having it only transform one of his arms into a weapon that could slay spiritial beings.

However, I don't think he is a Hollow. I believe he's something completely different, not just because it would be more interesting that way (in the way that pretty much everyone is a S / H - H / S hybrid now), but because his weapon resembles neither that of a Hollow, Shinigami or Quincy. He's something else.

[extracrunchie]

i have been wondering.......for a quincy, when they slay a hollow, the hollow will not go to the soul society right? but what about chad.....when he slays a hollow where would they go? imean hes not a shinigami.....he's a human just like the quincy's.......

[Quantus347]

I would imagine that they continue in the cycle. the quincy are supposed to be the exception to the rule on the killing thing.

[extracrunchie]

no clue, cuz this is a new thing, same with orihme, they never really elaborated on them

[chauronity]

^ They kill them completely, causing unbalance to the souls balance. See the drawings by rukia for this ^^
Only shinigami are able to send souls to heaven or hell ...


And to topic, really interesting. Sado a hollow-human hybrid? :oh

[yo586]

And to topic, really interesting. Sado a hollow-human hybrid?

Yeah I'm thinking that Chauronity. I mean its possible he is something new, but the way Urahara phrased it, eliminating 2 of 3 the known spirit "species" and not the third. . . Its very suspicious.

[YamiNaruto]

didn't chad+orihime's power come from ichigos rubbing off on them, i remember that being said, so wouldn't it be like half shinigami half human type powers, based on will, they both inly got there powers from trying to protect someone

[metalanime]

i think it was ichigos influence that made thier powers awaken maybe. hes rubbed off on other people as well, but it just may be that everyone has that potential power, and orihime and chad have exceptional abilities that set thier awakened powers apart from the norm.

[The Space Cowboy]

Hollows and Death Gods are pure spirits. Quincy however, are very much alive. Sado and Orihime probably have more in common with the Quincy than with the Death Gods or Hollows.

Perhaps Inoue and Chad, although not Quincy, are just another variant of "Living Being with Spiritual Powers." The Quincy were just probably the most notable group to breed for and hone their spiritual powers as a coherent discipline centered around destroying Hollows.

[yo586]

Kickero, that makes sense, but then why did Urahara purposely leave Hollow out of his quote? I've always expected that was the case with Chad and Inoue, but I'm just following story ques here .. .

[Chiru]

So when fully armored, could it look like he's a hollow? That'd be crazy. LOLZ But really...all the hybrids...hmm...no... I'd much rather just have Chad as a human who has a strong spirit. Same as Orihime. Of course, it'd be interesting to have a human-hollow hybrid...but...I dunno. I'll pass for now.

[The Space Cowboy]

If I expected either of them to have Hollow-related power, it would be Orihime rather than Sado.

She has more of a reason to. We know from the first few chapters that her family has substantial spirit power (Her brother was no small Hollow), and that he -gave- her the hairpins.

Sado is Sado. And Sado, while Sado, has powers that seem to resemble those of Kazuma: The Shell Bullet from Scryed. He's probably a unique one

[lwong81]

he's a mexican. they are quite a powerful foe.

[Manetheren]

Ever since the Arrancar started appearing, I have wondered if Chad's abilities had some sort of Hollow connection.

If anything, just the Spanish name convention for all of the Arrancar, not to mention the similarity in how his arm looks compared to the hollows.

[Moridin]

I think pocketmofo's translation makes this even more likely

Urahara: (mental) "For someone who complained about not wanting to do this...Abarai-san sure does seem to be into it now. Sado-san, you're abilities still have room to grow...that much is certain. Also, by fighting against bankai you will certainly take that next step forward...the only thing that worries me is that your abilities aren't like those of a shinigami or a quincy...yes...your ability is almost like..."

[snakeye123]

i spose he could be hollow hybrid [despite how i'd hate this]

don't chad and orihime both have their powers from being close to Ichigo, and his leaking spiritual power was being absorbed by them

what if it was his shiginami powers AND his hollow side that was flowing into the fantastic duo (and they SHOULD become a team)

because then they'd get powers... and in vizard/arancar form - whatever accumulating hollow powers

like some people said, if quincys merged
(but then again they don't have that hollowie side to merge with.....)

[jonat3]

Actually, i don't think hollow even enter the equation here. According to Urahara Chad's power is neither shinigami or Quincy. Now what is the main difference between a shinigami and a quincy? It's the way they draw reiatsu.

A shinigami draws his reiatsu from his own soul. A quincy draws the reiatsu from the environment. According to Urahara, Chad's powers are neither shinigami or quincy based. So the question pops up, if Chad doesn't draw reiatsu like shinigami or quincy, where does he draw the power from?

Considering that Urahara mentioned both shinigami and quincy in one sentence, i'm assuming Urahara is referring to the source of Chad's reiatsu. A hollow draws most of his powers in a similar way as a shinigami (from the soul), but Chad's powers seem to draw it in a different way. One possibility might be that Chad is a quincy-shinigami hybrid. Perhaps he's drawing reiatsu from his soul AND from the environment.

[chauronity]

Wonder if the parakeet guy has anything to with this...
- perhaps he got some influence from there while his powers were still evolving?

[Last of the Arrancar]

don't chad and orihime both have their powers from being close to Ichigo, and his leaking spiritual power was being absorbed by them

what if it was his shiginami powers AND his hollow side that was flowing into the fantastic duo (and they SHOULD become a team)

because then they'd get powers... and in vizard/arancar form - whatever accumulating hollow powers

I think this is the most likely.

Chad actually transforms his arm into a hollow arm. Like if he would become a hollow, that's what the arm would look like. And if he should be able to increase the armor to his whole body, he would essentially be a hollow in form. Perhaps even with mask.

You could say this is because of Ichigo , but that would only be possible if Ichigo had his hollow from the beginning, if his hollow was created by shattered shaft, he would not have had it when he influenced Chado.

You could also say Chado is some sort of freak of nature, who can break a kind of barrier between the human and the hollow body. But maybe that's a little far fetched.

[Kisame]

Im thinking Sado is the manisfestion of Zorro.


he will get a black cape and sword and and fence his way into victory.

Olê

[yo586]

Also notice that after Urahara ends his quote with . . ., scene changes to Ichigo w/ hollow mask. Certainly hinting at something, I've no doubt that was not coincedence

[jonat3]

Keep in mind that Ichigo only AWAKENED Inoue's and Chad's powers. Meaning, Ichigo didn't cause them. Inoue and Chad were BORN with the ability. This makes it unlikely that their powers have hollow traits.

[Kisame]

I think every human has hidden powers. Its just few ppl manifest them like Jonat said.


Orihime might be a bounto >.< It would be cool if Kubo tite takes an idea from the Fillers.

It would show how good there plot really is.

[jonat3]

I've just thought about another possibility. Perhaps Chad is drawing power from his earthly body. Maybe his power allows him to turn his body energy into reiatsu. Chad's strength lies in his body and i could well imagine that his ability somehow uses his body as power source.

[Sesqoo]

What if Chad got his abilities after the inncident with the hollow damaged back, he could get bitten. Inoue was also kinda bitten and now got her powers. tatsuki starts to see things and she also had a very close contact with hollows.

[blazingshadow]

i was thinking that it's too obvious IMO. check what ichigo says after he turns off hollow mode. kubo tite is hinting that vaizards in hollow mode and chad's powers have the same effect. they drain you of your power until you die. this is kubo tite being obvious so he can explain chad's super power boost when it comes. chad is definately going to be fighting arrancar (perhaps even espada) equally

[jonat3]

I doubt it's hollow related. Remember, Ichigo can only awaken abilities, not cause them. Only the hougyoku and several forbidden techniques could awaken hollow powers.

[Quantus347]

Chad actually transforms his arm into a hollow arm. Like if he would become a hollow, that's what the arm would look like. And if he should be able to increase the armor to his whole body, he would essentially be a hollow in form. Perhaps even with mask.

That would be six kinds of cool...


You could say this is because of Ichigo , but that would only be possible if Ichigo had his hollow from the beginning, if his hollow was created by shattered shaft, he would not have had it when he influenced Chado.

His hollow was not created by the shaft incident. It cant have been, since the hollow is just the other side of zangetsu, and zangetsu told ichigo that he has had death god powers all along. This would imply that the hollow has been present and dormant the whole time, just as Zangetsu has. It took the shaft to wake it up, like it took Rukia's transfer to wake up the death god side (and later the shaft to reawaken it)

[Sakura Kaijuu]

he's a mexican. they are quite a powerful foe.

Oh, that's right...:laugh

Anyway.

I actually never gave much thought to Chad's power before now. But now that I am thinking about it, I'm wondering exactly how much effect the ordeal with Shibata Yuuichi and the hollow chasing him had on his abilities. I know they were awakened by Ichigo, but if they are hollow related powers, why?

Did a combination of Ichigo's power and hitting that particular hollow give him crazy hollow powers? I are confused...But intrigued.

[BladeofTheChad]

like i said...Chad will get an Espada...

[yo586]

Don't bring that up in this thread

[yami]

That would be six kinds of cool...


His hollow was not created by the shaft incident. It cant have been, since the hollow is just the other side of zangetsu, and zangetsu told ichigo that he has had death god powers all along. This would imply that the hollow has been present and dormant the whole time, just as Zangetsu has. It took the shaft to wake it up, like it took Rukia's transfer to wake up the death god side (and later the shaft to reawaken it)

not true, the only reason he got the hollow is because the chain of fate(or sumthing like that) were broken, and he was turning into a hollow, but SINCE he had death god powers, he COULD be saved from changing into a hollow(remember zangetsu always comes to rescue when ichigo is about to die, and takes him to his world) and thats what he did. but the problem was that the hollow was already formed in his heart. Atleast thats what I THINk Happened

[BladeofTheChad]

I'll bring whatever I want up...Chad=Espada kill...

Im in the camp, that thinks humans have different power not connected with anything...

[Freakness]

^ They kill them completely, causing unbalance to the souls balance. See the drawings by rukia for this ^^
Only shinigami are able to send souls to heaven or hell ...


And to topic, really interesting. Sado a hollow-human hybrid? :oh

I don't know .. Hollow-Human ? Sounds Farfetched . I mean .. it just doesn't feel like he has hollow powers, but when you think about it, what other option is there ?
I don't think Kubo will introduce us some new kind of power at the moment ..

[monk3]

i think it is life energy. and if sado uses too many punches, he'll eventually collapse from extreme fatigue due to the loss of life force.

or

It could be an influence from Ichigo's powers. considering that he sort of gave them their powers. so maybe the amount of power that they gain is proportional to the amount of power ichigo has.

[jonat3]

i think it is life energy. and if sado uses too many punches, he'll eventually collapse from extreme fatigue due to the loss of life force.

or

It could be an influence from Ichigo's powers. considering that he sort of gave them their powers. so maybe the amount of power that they gain is proportional to the amount of power ichigo has.


Yes, you and I think alike. I think it's his earthly body energy (=life energy) that he's turning into reiatsu.

The second option is not possible, cause Ichigo merely awakens powers. He does not cause them.

[burntout]

maybe hes like a manifested soul cutter. haha i dont really know. it would seem to obvious for him to have hollow powers... im just trying to think of another power that urahara didnt bring up...

[uncanny_sama]

something we havent seen before

from that other dimension of the king

[Vegitto-kun]

something we havent seen before

from that other dimension of the king
Image if he is actually royal guard without knowing XD

[blazingshadow]

i'm sure that it is hollow based power. shinigami got their powers by going to one end of the spectrum (+ side) hollows got their powers by going to the other end (- side). one side uses energy from outside and you can't use it anymore after you deplete the energy, the other uses energy from inside and can be used until you die. wait until they explain vaizard power, they will probably say that it is similar to chad's way of drawing power.

[jonat3]

i'm sure that it is hollow based power. shinigami got their powers by going to one end of the spectrum (+ side) hollows got their powers by going to the other end (- side). one side uses energy from outside and you can't use it anymore after you deplete the energy, the other uses energy from inside and can be used until you die. wait until they explain vaizard power, they will probably say that it is similar to chad's way of drawing power.

What you don't understand is that only hybrids can draw power from both + and -. Chad CAN'T be a hybrid, because he was born with his powers (meaning his powers are still natural). Only an unnatural process can give Chad hybrid powers.

[yo586]

Guys, its all well and good that everyone has their ideas (some make alot of sense) on how to explain some of Kubo's power sources.

But I was hoping we could look more into the quote and "hint" that Urahara/Kubo just gave us. As opposed to dealing with this at a theoretical rationalization level.

Can someone please answer me this, why would Urahara say its not Shinimagi or Quincy but leave out Hollow? These are the predominant 3 fighting classes in Bleach (the only other one I can think of is mod soul) so it makes no sense for him to mention 2 and not the third. I'm just saying that despite how we all may rationalize whats posssible and not, this is an obvious hint.

Can someone offer another idea for what the hint may be leading to and why he left out hollow in his quote?

[Kisame]

leave out Hollow?


Because to be hollow he wouldn't have control of himself.

Not to mention his chain of Fate has to be cut.

[jonat3]

Guys, its all well and good that everyone has their ideas (some make alot of sense) on how to explain some of Kubo's power sources.

But I was hoping we could look more into the quote and "hint" that Urahara/Kubo just gave us. As opposed to dealing with this at a theoretical rationalization level.

Can someone please answer me this, why would Urahara say its not Shinimagi or Quincy but leave out Hollow? These are the predominant 3 fighting classes in Bleach (the only other one I can think of is mod soul) so it makes no sense for him to mention 2 and not the third. I'm just saying that despite how we all may rationalize whats posssible and not, this is an obvious hint.

Can someone offer another idea for what the hint may be leading to and why he left out hollow in his quote?

To me it's obvious that Urahara was referrng to how Chad draws power. Remember, what is the difference between shinigami and quincy? Shinigami draw their power (as do hollows) from their soul. Quincy's draw it from the environment. If Chad's ability doesn't allign with either shinigami or quincy, it should be logical that Chad is drawing his reiatsu from a different source altogether.

My current theory is that Chad's powersource is his life force. He's converting the energy of his mortal power into reiatsu. That's my take on it, and the ability fits him perfectly, since Chad's body is enormously strong.

And just for the record, there exists alternate powers from shinigami and quincy (like Orihime for instance).
It isn't logical that Chad's powers are hollow based, cause Chad was born with his powers. For a plus soul to have hollow traits would require unnatural circumstances (like the hougyoku or other forbidden techniques).

Regarding chapter 224, i think that hint is only obvious to overactive imaginations. I don't think it has anything to do with Chad's power at all.

[Kisame]

Orhimes power is just like the bounts, She says there names, call them out with a phrase, their self conscious.

She just never sucked a human soul... yet.

[Sakura Kaijuu]

Orhimes power is just like the bounts, She says there names, call them out with a phrase, their self conscious.

She just never sucked a human soul... yet.

Y'know...because the Bountou are totally a part of the canon Bleach universe. :huh And even though the Bountou's dolls are self-aware, so are zanpakutou. The only official fighter group in the entire Bleach universe that doesn't have a conscious weapon are the Quincy.

Anyway, going a little off-topic, I think Orihime's power is closer to that of a shinigami's. She draws her power directly from her soul in order to activate her flowers. The oddity in her power lies in what the "inner shield" does.

[Kisame]

Y'know...because the Bountou are totally a part of the canon Bleach universe. And even though the Bountou's dolls are self-aware, so are zanpakutou.


Zankapatous don't fight for the user, They fight with the user.

And that doesn't stop her power from being just like theirs.

[Sakura Kaijuu]

Zankapatous don't fight for the user, They fight with the user.

And that doesn't stop her power from being just like theirs.

Or their power to be just like hers. :P

True enough about the zanpakutous. I'm sleepy, so I'm not sure how much sense I'm making at this point...:laugh

[zagman505]

i completely agree w/ everything that jonat has said up til now. chad's power is different from shinigami's and quincy's in that it doesn't draw power from the soul or from the environment. so where can chad get his powers from? only thing left is his body. if it were hollow powers, it would be along the same lines as shinigami.

i'm more interested in wat urahara meant in the panel above that one: "Such growth will be the key to allowing you to use the power of 'Bankai' in battle. There is just one thing that you need to be careful of..."

i kinda doubt that chad will be using bankai, i think that this is supposed to mean that he'll be fighting on bankai level, but i want to know wat the thing he has to be careful of it. sure, if we could explain his powers as hollow-like, then we could argue that he has to be careful to not turn into a hollow, but that just doesn't make sense as to how and why his powers would be like that.

[Last of the Arrancar]

His hollow was not created by the shaft incident. It cant have been, since the hollow is just the other side of zangetsu, and zangetsu told ichigo that he has had death god powers all along. This would imply that the hollow has been present and dormant the whole time, just as Zangetsu has. It took the shaft to wake it up, like it took Rukia's transfer to wake up the death god side (and later the shaft to reawaken it)

The hollow is not the other side of Zangetsu, it's a hollow, the negative side of Ichigo's soul. Zangetsu is the sword of his soul.

Because to be hollow he wouldn't have control of himself.

Not to mention his chain of Fate has to be cut.

That's my whole point, maybe he IS a freak of nature, and able to access hollow powers while not being a hollow, and not even being dead.

It isn't logical that Chad's powers are hollow based, cause Chad was born with his powers. For a plus soul to have hollow traits would require unnatural circumstances (like the hougyoku or other forbidden techniques).

But he wasn't born with them, Ichigo gave him a power boost.

You could also see Ichigo's influencing as having a similar effect as radiation has, not only did he give Chado power, but he kinda mutated him. Like he broke some barrier that would normally stand inbetween a soul and his hollow form. Orihime has unnatural powers too ( think of Ulqu's comment 'time or space manipulation' ).


Btw I'm not going for the bait, Blade, try to just discuss this normally like the rest of us are.

[blazingshadow]

What you don't understand is that only hybrids can draw power from both + and -. Chad CAN'T be a hybrid, because he was born with his powers (meaning his powers are still natural). Only an unnatural process can give Chad hybrid powers.

who says that only hybrids can do that? as long as he is a human he has the posibility of becoming a hollow or a shinigami. why does the chain of fate has to be cut in order to him get hollow powers? ichigo still has his chain intact (there is no reason to say that if he were to lose his shinigami powers again he wouldn't end up with the chain attached to his body. shinigami are masters of life and death). when your chain is cut it means you are dead it doesn't mean you become hollow. i believe that humans can still get hollow powers without turning hollow or a hybrid (since humans are neither shinigami or hollow in the first place just the preparation stage for either)

meh i'll wait until chad or somebody else explains how his powers work

[jonat3]

But he wasn't born with them, Ichigo gave him a power boost.

You could also see Ichigo's influencing as having a similar effect as radiation has, not only did he give Chado power, but he kinda mutated him. Like he broke some barrier that would normally stand inbetween a soul and his hollow form. Orihime has unnatural powers too ( think of Ulqu's comment 'time or space manipulation' ).


Btw I'm not going for the bait, Blade, try to just discuss this normally like the rest of us are.

I suggest you read chapter 44-45. Urahara explains it all there. Ichigo did NOT mutate Chad.

who says that only hybrids can do that? as long as he is a human he has the posibility of becoming a hollow or a shinigami. why does the chain of fate has to be cut in order to him get hollow powers? ichigo still has his chain intact (there is no reason to say that if he were to lose his shinigami powers again he wouldn't end up with the chain attached to his body. shinigami are masters of life and death). when your chain is cut it means you are dead it doesn't mean you become hollow. i believe that humans can still get hollow powers without turning hollow or a hybrid (since humans are neither shinigami or hollow in the first place just the preparation stage for either)

meh i'll wait until chad or somebody else explains how his powers work

The manga pretty much implied that hybrids are unnatural occurrences. But if you don't believe me, just wait it out, like you said. I'm pretty sure that Chad's powers has zilch to do with hollows.

[BladeofTheChad]

Damn :( but its totally gonna happen, ill eat my shorts if not(wont literally eat them).

Anywho, I just think he has humanoid powers. I feel like they may pull a Digimon Season 2 ending with Bleach(you know, everyone in the world gets a Digimon)

See, its all about Hollow vs. SS.Quincy's, well to me Ichigo instigator of something a lot bigger than anyone can see.

He starts unlocking human potential, and pretty soon Orihime/Chad is unlocking more and more of human potential, until one day every human has a small bit of power to fight Hollows, making Soul Society obsolete... I hope people understand what I am getting at, its very hard to say what I am talking about.

[Kisame]

B.o.t.i..... do you try to come up with the most outrageous claims before posting or believe that?

Anyway Chad's power doesn't come from the outside like quincy, or his own reiatsu like shinigami's hollows.


It comes from his emotions. His powers come from being angry. And since chad usually keeps his anger in check thats why he isn't reaching his full potential.

Training with a renji who is constantly taunting him is breaking down that barrier he put inside himself to keep his anger in control.

Thats why he is starting to realize his full potential.

[BladeofTheChad]

mostly gut instincts...

[Last of the Arrancar]

I suggest you read chapter 44-45. Urahara explains it all there. Ichigo did NOT mutate Chad.

I believe Urahara said something bout bringing out their natural powers ... but Urahara doesn't know everything, and he just met Orihime and Chad. And now that he's seeing Chad fight , he's think something is iffy. I don't see any remark of his that would contradict my statement.

[jonat3]

I believe Urahara said something bout bringing out their natural powers ... but Urahara doesn't know everything, and he just met Orihime and Chad. And now that he's seeing Chad fight , he's think something is iffy. I don't see any remark of his that would contradict my statement.

Urahara says plenty to contradict your statements.

Chapter 44

Urahara: "The power you both were born with...it was pulled out from the depth of your souls... Your NATURAL powers."


Above quote is already sufficient proof enough. Need more?

Chapter 45

Urahara: "Your transformations are not a disease one comes down with."

In other words, it's NOT mutation.

Urahara: "It's simply that you have been given the key to a door that has appeared before you."

Ichigo was the key, but the door was always present, since they were BORN with their powers. I don't need to go further, do I?

[Last of the Arrancar]

LOL ...

As I said, Urahara doesn't know everything. Did he even know about Ichigo's hollow at that point ? And this wouldn't be the first time Urahara failed to mention things as they are.

The power you were born with ... your natural power .... not a disease ....

Well i'm not saying Ichigo perse had to have mutated Chado, it was just an idea. This doesn't however influence the fact that Chad's powers are not like a shinigami, and not like a quincy.

And what other sort of power do we know ? Right, a hollows power.

Either Chad was born with the gift to unlock a hollows power, but Ichigo needed to awaken it, or Chad had a normal reiatsu, and it was Ichigo who caused it, and Urahara just didn't notice that litle aspect at that time.


Maybe you should go further still ...

[jonat3]

LOL ...

As I said, Urahara doesn't know everything. Did he even know about Ichigo's hollow at that point ? And this wouldn't be the first time Urahara failed to mention things as they are.

The power you were born with ... your natural power .... not a disease ....

Well i'm not saying Ichigo perse had to have mutated Chado, it was just an idea. This doesn't however influence the fact that Chad's powers are not like a shinigami, and not like a quincy.

And what other sort of power do we know ? Right, a hollows power.

Either Chad was born with the gift to unlock a hollows power, but Ichigo needed to awaken it, or Chad had a normal reiatsu, and it was Ichigo who caused it, and Urahara just didn't notice that litle aspect at that time.


Maybe you should go further still ...

Well, as long as you understand that they were born with their powers and that ichigo didn't create their powers, it's ok.

And about a normal person being born with hollow powers....I still think that's stretching it. IMO such a theory is just a sign of an overactive imagination, but oh well. I guess we'll see.

[Last of the Arrancar]

Well, as long as you understand that they were born with their powers and that ichigo didn't create their powers, it's ok.

Yes, and you obviously find it very important that I understand that LOL.

And about a normal person being born with hollow powers....I still think that's stretching it. IMO such a theory is just a sign of an overactive imagination, but oh well. I guess we'll see.

Bleach in itself is the product of an overactive imagination ....

[Kisame]

Bleach in itself is the product of an overactive imagination ....

Wtf.... you mean this isn't Tousen's autobiography.

[Yak]

Hm, I didn't follow the conversation from the start but how could Chad have Hollow Powers - even latent ones - anyway? In order to have access to Hollow Powers one would have to become one. The last time I checked that was only possible by using the Hou Gyouku or by severing the chain of fate and wainting until corrosion has eaten up the chain completely, the hole appears and the Hollows starts consuming the soul that can't go back to its body due to the lack of chain. And Chad has never gone through anything of this, hasn't he? :oh

[jonat3]

Yes, and you obviously find it very important that I understand that LOL.

As a matter of fact, yes i do. Call it a quirk of mine, but i find it disturbing when people come up with stuff, when there's heavy evidence against it. I find it even more disturbing when people try to rationalize this stuff by trying to undermine said evidence.

Bleach in itself is the product of an overactive imagination ....

Heh, quite true. There's still a certain logic and elegance to kubo's imagination, though. I doubt he will slap hollow powers on each and every one.

[Last of the Arrancar]

As a matter of fact, yes i do. Call it a quirk of mine, but i find it disturbing when people come up with stuff, when there's heavy evidence against it. I find it even more disturbing when people try to rationalize this stuff by trying to undermine said evidence.

Well, I'm not too fond of people who make stuff up , like Chado beating Ulqu ... LOL

Heh, quite true. There's still a certain logic and elegance to kubo's imagination, though. I doubt he will slap hollow powers on each and every one.

I can't be bothered to read the whole thread again, but what did YOU think his powers are ?

Hm, I didn't follow the conversation from the start but how could Chad have Hollow Powers - even latent ones - anyway? In order to have access to Hollow Powers one would have to become one. The last time I checked that was only possible by using the Hou Gyouku or by severing the chain of fate and wainting until corrosion has eaten up the chain completely, the hole appears and the Hollows starts consuming the soul that can't go back to its body due to the lack of chain. And Chad has never gone through anything of this, hasn't he?

Some believe because Urahara said, he doesn't have shinigami, nor quincy powers .... the only thing left is hollow powers.

Well, maybe Chado belongs to some ancient powerfull mexican tribe with captain level reiatsu ...

[BladeofTheChad]

Chads gonna kill Ulqu...

[Yak]

Well, maybe Chado belongs to some ancient powerfull mexican tribe with captain level reiatsu ...

El es uno vaquero? :P

(I hope I didn't screw up the last bit of Spanish I remember :amuse )



Chads gonna kill Ulqu...



My mother is going to kill Ulq so cut the crap, would you?:notrust

[jonat3]

Well, IMO there are two possibilities. The first one is that Chad is a shinigami-quincy hybrid where he draws his power from his soul AND from the environment. However, i don't favour this theory too much, cause it seems to me that it's also stretching it.

The second theory of mine is much more likely.

First of all, have you noticed that all the abilities portrayed by shinigami, quincy, etc. are related to that person's personality? The entire bleach universe revolves around personality.

Bleach is about spirits and some spirits are more powerful than the other. What makes one spirit more powerful than the other? Personality. The more powerful the personality, the stronger your spirit will be. And the special abilities you manifest are also a product of that personality. So i asked myself, what sort of power would fit Chad's personality perfectly? The answer i came up with, is that instead of drawing reiatsu from the soul (like a shinigami or hollow) or from the environment (like a quincy), he's probably drawing his power from his mortal body (his life force, so to speak). Chad's unique trait is his powerful body. I could well imagine him having an ability that somehow converts that power into reiatsu.

[Kisame]

im telling you its emotions zz but no one going believe me til i bump this topic up

[Yak]

Well, IMO there are two possibilities. The first one is that Chad is a shinigami-quincy hybrid where he draws his power from his soul AND from the environment. However, i don't favour this theory too much, cause it seems to me that it's also stretching it.

The second theory of mine is much more likely.

First of all, have you noticed that all the abilities portrayed by shinigami, quincy, etc. are related to that person's personality? The entire bleach universe revolves around personality.

Bleach is about spirits and some spirits are more powerful than the other. What makes one spirit more powerful than the other? Personality. The more powerful the personality, the stronger your spirit will be. And the special abilities you manifest are also a product of that personality. So i asked myself, what sort of power would fit Chad's personality perfectly? The answer i came up with, is that instead of drawing reiatsu from the soul (like a shinigami or hollow) or from the environment (like a quincy), he's probably drawing his power from his mortal body (his life force, so to speak). Chad's unique trait is his powerful body. I could well imagine him having an ability that somehow converts that power into reiatsu.


As for the first theory - I think it is highly unlikely because that would virtually make him one of the most powerful beings ever. Just like the daywalker, all of their strengths but non of their weaknesses. :P

The second one however sounds very interresting. I believe, Shunsui stated something similar, too... that Chad is one of those guys who attack with the force of their live energy or something like that, can't remember.

[BladeofTheChad]

there is no crap to be cut.

[Yak]

B.o.t.I., what you claim is nice and good at least for those who believe in it (that's probably only you but who cares) but please do us the favor and spare us the spamming of your ridiculous theories. You already told everyone in a different thread, at least leave us alone in all the others. Seriously. No one is going to buy it anyway unless we get to SEE it. Which we won't in quite a long time. So I politely ask you to be quiet about it until we get further evidence that what you claim might come true, 'kay?

[Last of the Arrancar]

My mother is going to kill Ulq so cut the crap, would you?

Who is you momma then ?

Bleach is about spirits and some spirits are more powerful than the other. What makes one spirit more powerful than the other? Personality. The more powerful the personality, the stronger your spirit will be. And the special abilities you manifest are also a product of that personality. So i asked myself, what sort of power would fit Chad's personality perfectly? The answer i came up with, is that instead of drawing reiatsu from the soul (like a shinigami or hollow) or from the environment (like a quincy), he's probably drawing his power from his mortal body (his life force, so to speak). Chad's unique trait is his powerful body. I could well imagine him having an ability that somehow converts that power into reiatsu.

If he's drawing energy from his mortal body, wouldn't his body deteriorate ? Like when Ishida removed the glove, everything around him was absorbed . Wouldn't he damage his own body ?

there is no crap to be cut.

Maybe you can cut your crap ? Or do you want another neg rep ?

[jonat3]

If he's drawing energy from his mortal body, wouldn't his body deteriorate ? Like when Ishida removed the glove, everything around him was absorbed . Wouldn't he damage his own body ?


I don't know exactly what the effects would be, but if his power is really an ability that draws reiatsu from his body, it could definately have negative effects on Chad. And it seems Urahara's words seem to imply that Chad's abilities are worrisome and an ability such as i described could definately be considered worrisome and dangerous.

[Yak]

Who is you momma then ?

The woman who gave birth to Mr. Zaraki. :P


If he's drawing energy from his mortal body, wouldn't his body deteriorate ? Like when Ishida removed the glove, everything around him was absorbed . Wouldn't he damage his own body ?



Well, it could be true that with the time Chad's strength deminishes and his body is damages, at least on the inside. Then again, he's one tough guy and you wouldn't notice him being in pain right away even if he received some damage.

It's all speculation anyway. Maybe things will get clearer with the next chap.

[yo586]

Jonat, I like that last post. I now agree that you have a definite possiblity. However I THINK that you are looking a bit too far into it. I've been wrong before though :amuse

However, to say the hint is only a product of overactive imaginations is something I completely disagree with. Leaving hollow out of his quote and following it with a page on a hollow, Kubo had to realize that some people would connect the dots in a certain fashion. I'm positive that he at least wanted us to think it a possibility.

Bleach in itself is the product of an overactive imagination ....

That was funny smile-big

[Last of the Arrancar]

The woman who gave birth to Mr. Zaraki.

Omg, say, you should do a female version of Zaraki, alongside the hollow version of him :)

[Yak]

Omg, say, you should do a female version of Zaraki, alongside the hollow version of him :)

I could give it a try. She'd be the Ma Barker of Bleach. :laugh

[jonat3]

Well, it's just a thing i noticed, that abilities tend to reflect the personality. It's one of the reasons i don't like the hollow theory, since i can't imagine what personality trait of Chad could produce hollow abilities. And what exactly is a hollow? It's basically a person that lost his heart (illustrated by the hole in the chest), making a hollow destructive and only caring about itself. Chad doesn't seem to have such selfish personality traits that would enable him to produce hollow powers.

And about Kubo trying to let people consider the hollow theory by adding the hollow pic right after, i agree. I think Kubo did it to mislead people. I noticed that he's done it a few times before (can't remember anymore, though).

[Shiari]

Random note: Don't feed the troll, people. XD (Yes, Blade, I called you a troll. XD) *Is so going to be nrep for this.)

Chad's powers is the power of friendship! :Gaipose

Joking!

jonat3: Now, your second theory seems very interesting and does make sense. XD

My theory?

It is a power we never saw before. XD

*Duck the bricks sent her way* What? o.o

[BladeofTheChad]

I dont care about neg rep...oh no, ill have a red bar...whatever will I do? i guess post some more...

anywho, i think Orihime and Chad have different powers altogether

[Sakura Kaijuu]

I could give it a try. She'd be the Ma Barker of Bleach. :laugh

God that'd be scary. Do it! :laugh

I'm not so sure that Chad's power is really directly taken from his life force. I know he's strong, but I don't think he's that strong. Even he'd be feeling the effects of that by now.

I'm thinking more and more that if Chad's power is hollow related that it has something to do with the way he was introduced to Ichigo's identity as a shinigami. Same with Orihime, if that is the case.

They were both attacked by a hollow, and in Chad's case, he actually hit the hollow. Not only that, but he was also injured by a hollow, which may or may not have had an influence. And not too long after that he was around Ichigo's shinigami form, which I'm guessing was the real trigger for the birth of his abilities, since before then he seemed unaffected by Ichigo's spirit power. As a result, one of the most important things to him, namely the strength he uses to protect the people he cares about, is abstractly transformed by giving him arm armor that looks somewhat similar to hollow armor.

Similarly, (though a little off topic), Orihime's power also derived from a similar situation. After direct contact with Ichigo's shinigami form (even more so than Chad's) and was also badly injured by a hollow. Her dormant power was awakened, and when it came down to it, one of the most important things to her, her hair clips, became her power. And even they look kind of weird. Particularly their feet. Plus, the way they do things is bizarre. The time-reversal way of healing almost reminds me of a hollow's ability to regenerate itself.

If I don't make sense, I apologize. It's just something I've been mulling over for the past couple of days. :amuse

[davey062]

Sakura thats a really good theory on how they got their power. I think the more they train the more lifeforce power they gain and when they rest it replenishes. if it didn't i think ichigo would be dead by now

[Kiyoshi]

I had been thinking this over for a while and been thinking this through while watching the anime (started last week finshed yesterday).

This is just my train of thought, but I like Sakura's theory there. I hope she won't mind if I actually burrow a bit upon it.

There are three main powers shown with manifistation of those abilities:
*Shinnigame/Soul Reaper - Manifistation of plus side is usually demonstrated by Zanpakuto. - independant thought of power manifistation
*Hollow - Manifistation of power is through their mask and armor, and in the last few chapters it has been revealed that Hollow Mask/Armor = Zanpakuto, but the Zanollow (for lack of a better term) takes control and becomes part of the body - no independance
*Quincy - They don't use their inner soul, thus by coincidence show nothing like a Mask/Zanpakuto. They use stolen power given form. - Zanollow might exist, but supressed by this other developed talent.

Looking at it this way easially allows for the interpretation of Chat being "Hollow" in comparison to Orihime.
*Chad's manifistation is a growth of armor around his arm. It is part of his physical self.
*Orihime's power is manifist in an exterior object, her hairclips.

This brings in Sakura's theory above. All the Zanpakuto seem to be manifistations of the wielder's personalities.

Using the anime for example would be slightly easier to understand as there is precedent. One could argue that the "Dolls" are the manifistation of the inner Zanpakuto altered as the humans aren't spirits in their awakening. Orihime would be this group in technicality as her dolls would be the hairpin.

Chad could be the Hollow version of a Bounto and keeps in context of Kisuke's comments considering known styles.

Rebuttal to this lies mostly in several other oddities about Chad.
*His arm, while greatly makes me think Hollow, also reminded me a lot of Uryu's arm when gloved. Just with a black and red scheme opposed to a blue and white. This is similiar to Uryu giving Chad a shirt with the Quincy cross on it seemed to stand out.
*His attack as mentioned by the pink komodo wearing captain (Gyah, why the heck can't I remember his name!) to be a type that drains one's life once past a certain limit. This might be significant.

[Sakura Kaijuu]

I had been thinking this over for a while and been thinking this through while watching the anime (started last week finshed yesterday).

This is just my train of thought, but I like Sakura's theory there. I hope she won't mind if I actually burrow a bit upon it.

Sweet. People think I make sense. When I finally typed that up I was avoiding writing my English paper, so my mind wasn't completely on it.

Using the anime for example would be slightly easier to understand as there is precedent. One could argue that the "Dolls" are the manifistation of the inner Zanpakuto altered as the humans aren't spirits in their awakening. Orihime would be this group in technicality as her dolls would be the hairpin.

Chad could be the Hollow version of a Bounto and keeps in context of Kisuke's comments considering known styles.

Mmm :/ ...While the theory/support for "Chad powers = hollow kind of" is pretty good, your example is kind of weak, since the Bountou aren't canon, which make them a shaky basis for anything manga related. I see what you're getting at by using them, but I'm of the opinion that the way the Bountou's powers work were based on Orihime's Flowers.

Rebuttal to this lies mostly in several other oddities about Chad.
*His arm, while greatly makes me think Hollow, also reminded me a lot of Uryu's arm when gloved. Just with a black and red scheme opposed to a blue and white. This is similiar to Uryu giving Chad a shirt with the Quincy cross on it seemed to stand out.
*His attack as mentioned by the pink komodo wearing captain (Gyah, why the heck can't I remember his name!) to be a type that drains one's life once past a certain limit. This might be significant.

You were thinking of Captain Kyouraku Shunsui. :amuse

Anyway, those are interesting observations about the Quincy related part. We'll just have to see.

[Kiyoshi]

Thanks for the time to give my speculation thought.

I guess to clarify my weak argument is that I used the Bounto as an example because of lack of precedent for either Orihime and Chad's abilities in the Manga. Everyone else remotely similiar either are Quincy, seem to be ex-shinnigame, or may or may not be Mod Souls (Kisuke's two kids). The next level down, known "normal" humans only have seen spirits.

Of course Kanonji is an exception so I would love to see how Kisuke would classify his abilities. Till then I apologize that the non-canon Bounto were the best I could do to describe how I saw Orihime's abilities showing a shinnigame reference and Chad's appearing more Hollow.

Of course if this is true, Kanonji might turn out to be the Luke Skywalker of the Quincy to complete this rough triple representation. Someone completely untrained in the traditional use, but brings them back from virtual extinction. :P

[jonat3]

It must be noted that shinigami's, quincy's and hollows are not the only powers that exist. A good example would be how Mayuri was interested in Orihime. It's likely that there are many unique types out there, since there are many unique people.

[Ashura]

Well the fact that his power can pull energy directly from his soul mkes his power very unique and unidentifiable in my book.