View Full Version : OK, since talking about life's natural creation is outlawed, let's talk about death.
Sabaku no Ira
11-27-2004, 09:16 AM
In case that you haven't noticed, I'm deeply fascinated by death. Yes, I know that the creation of life is a pleasure (though I have yet to experience it), I am interested more in the demise of life. Not only about what happens next, which is in the realm of religion, but actually what happens in death, what it feels like to die: Will I just feel that I'm fading away, or will there be just a sudden darkness and then nothing? What happens to the body afterwards? How does it rot, decay, go "ash to ash, dust to dust"? I'm still searching for answers, some of them found (particularly about the decaying bit, though I can only remember a little) Therefore I've made this thread so that such topics can be discussed seriously. No idiotic comments or idiotic fights are allowed, if the hunter-nins will be kind enough to help me with that, thank you.
Aruka
11-27-2004, 10:28 AM
nobody knows the answers, you'll only know it when your time comes.
Crucifixation
11-27-2004, 01:30 PM
It all depends on how you..well, die.
If you were to choke on a piece of Bubble Yum, you will die a sudden death, which is..uh..sudden. You just black out, I hope.
If you were to suffocate in a foot of water and hang on life support for months, you will die a lingering death, drifting in and out of conciousness.
If you were to be hit by an eighteen-wheeler, you die an instant death. The best thing since instant ramen, you say?
Garson007
11-27-2004, 01:55 PM
There are only a few things and life that scares me: I myself, Death, but what is even worse than death, is dying without dying for a cause. I'd rather die for something I believe in, than die of old age. Hell, I would much rather have a terrorist shoot me in the head, counting up the death toll for their cause, which in turn makes them more publicly known, than die of old age. Even though it was not a cause I believed in. Of course eluding death and still being able to further a cause is even better.
Like previously stated I don’t believe in any wrong or right. The world isn’t Black or White. My right is your wrong. In turn your wrong is my right. Nature balances out inconsistencies. If there were a population boom, there would be a murder increase rate, because people would be more poverty stricken and so on. To stop this natural occurrence is making the world unbalanced. That is what human kind is doing, forcing a Right and Wrong. Stopping death with medicine and arresting the poor, bad past and ambitious Murderer. We defy death and therefore we are seeing more and more problems. The pyramid has to be pyramid shaped. Else we are destroying what we want to save. Therefore death is not only natural, but also a necessity for the future of Earth. It is a cycle that should not be tempted with.
Now where was my pitchfork?
RyuusaBakuryu
11-27-2004, 04:13 PM
i've often thought about how i wanted to die, and like Garson says, i'd rather die and know that it was for a cause, i'd rather slip off into a final sleep knowing that i'll be remembered for something good, and not as a useless old man, like say in a war or jumping in front of a bullet for the president. The media's said many things about death, one is that your mouth tastes like copper, another would be an oncoming feeling of coldness. I've heard (and i dont know if this is completely true) that once you die, your bowels release, and you basically crap in your clothes. Unless some scientists were to perform an experiment and kill each other while the other is repeating back what's happening while they die, i dont think we'd ever really know until it happened
Dammerung
11-27-2004, 04:20 PM
I just wanna die happy. That means, I don't wanna die in bed, preferably instantly while I'm doing something I enjoy.
HornyHippo
11-27-2004, 04:32 PM
I just wanna die happy. That means, I don't wanna die in bed, preferably instantly while I'm doing something I enjoy.
Like watching Naruto episode 1450, lol?
killkenada
11-27-2004, 04:41 PM
why does no-one wanna die of old age? it would be quick and painless and you wouldnt even know!
screw dying for a cause! its too much hassle
Dammerung
11-27-2004, 04:48 PM
Like watching Naruto episode 1450, lol?
Do you mean 14 and 50? Is 14 the one where Inari's surrogate father dies? In 50 no one dies...
Inactive Dark Angel
11-27-2004, 05:43 PM
I want to survive as long as possible, that means I want to die of age.
The optimal life is when you live happily young and then get sad when you are old so you can die happy. Don't steal that, I invented it with the help of a girl
Crucifixation
11-28-2004, 01:57 AM
I would want to die alone. I hate mankind.
GodlessWarrior
11-28-2004, 02:42 AM
I have always had this strange idea that as your brain dies you experience eternity beacause as your brain function slows down so does your perception of time so each passing second becomes longer and longer until the final second becomes an eternity to you. But you just wind up a mass of biological material in the end.
GodlessWarrior
11-28-2004, 02:44 AM
why does no-one wanna die of old age? it would be quick and painless and you wouldnt even know!
screw dying for a cause! its too much hassle
because your wrong about dying of old age the actuall moment of death might not be really painful but the years leading up to that moment cant be terrible in so many ways. Think of spending ten years not being able to walk because of arthritis
Sabaku no Ira
11-28-2004, 02:49 AM
nobody knows the answers, you'll only know it when your time comes.
I know that, but it's always fun to speculate about death. The simple mystery of it is already fascinating enough.
Anyway, since people are talking about how they want to die, here's my five cents: Somehow I have a mental image of me surrounded by enemies, with a sword swinging around, cutting through flesh and bone, spilling blood and guts everywhere. Then somehow two swords cut me through from behind and, when I swung back, more come. Soon, I lost too much blood and too exhausted to carry on, and I leaned on my sword for support before falling down to total oblivion...
tigerwoo
11-28-2004, 03:44 AM
alright! here's one i can answer!
do you remember falling asleep last night?
that's really all i need to say, but for those of you unsatisfied by such a zen response...
your life is really nothing but your brain activity. the way your senses interpret your physical surroundings, record that data, and compare it to the last bit of data recorded. like you're building a four dimensional spiderweb. everything connected. you don't remember being an infant, (infants don't even remember being an infant) b/c they have nothing to compare it to. you know? einstein like. everything being relative. that's like preschool compared to the nature of reality. so...
dark is only dark because of light. (though it's not just an either or, yin or yang, it's a spectrum much like your h/s/b colour settings in paint programs) all this stuff only exists in relation to other stuff. so, now we've established reality. good.
so now that you understand that, next you move on to the human brain recording data and actually storing it, unlike other creatures. all living things operate on a simple program. you get hungry, you eat. you get tired you sleep. if we didn't remember that touching the electric fence hurts, we'd sit there all day touching it. but we learn and we move on. we keep learning things and we keep relating and we build a nice little world to live in based on experience, (diff people / diff experience - that's why some people think rockstars are gods and some people know better ; why some people think national lampoon movies are the best, and some people think movies in general are a waste of time)
ok, so that's not how people work. well it is and it isn't. it's very zen. but i've really hardly written anything yet, and i'm not going to. people are obviously more complicated than that, but really they aren't. they just have egos that demand there be more. i'll continue.
when you sleep, certain areas of your brain get rest. i have no idea what parts, but you can probably find all the info you need online. you're unconscious but you still breath and do weird things. (once i refilled the ice cube tray in my sleep! not really, i'm lying!) no one can be certain of what the experience is like. dying that is. but i'd imagine since certain parts of your brain are no longer capable of functioning it's like ripping holes from that spiderweb of reality. so like, abstracts such as certain colours and sounds are removed from your conscious understanding of reality. kinda like when you get a migraine headache real bad and your arm goes numb and you lose parts of your vision (like the blind! fun!) i think that's it. but it really doesn't matter.
did you know that if matter is neither created nor destroyed, the physical stuff you're body is made up of was physical stuff long before you were born and will be long after you're dead.
Daemon
11-28-2004, 06:37 AM
i would assume that you dont feel it when you die...
whether you are religious you'll be where you believe you'll be or whether it ends it ends...
our souls contain energy,whether that goes somewhere else or back to the planet is unknown, guess you'll only know when it happens... or maybe not.
uchiha
11-28-2004, 07:06 AM
Well I suppose for me is either you die peacefully in your sleep, acceptably when for example you have cancer and you know your time has come so you accept it anyway, instantly in a really bad accident or your soul is being forced away from your body and you'll cry Nooooooo!
I agree about dying in an old age thingy. I dont care if Im gonna be a burden to anyone so screw them if they're too selfish to take care of me lol.
DeathWolf
11-28-2004, 07:11 AM
or..u may die of old age...:P
Shards
11-28-2004, 08:15 PM
dying of old age hardly ever happens now
Tastadoda
11-28-2004, 08:48 PM
If I was going to go at a young age then I would want to go insantly.
If I was going to die when I was old. The I would want to die happy but also not sick. Hopefully in my sleep like my grandpa did. No suffering.
haearnbran
11-28-2004, 09:23 PM
I have always had this strange idea that as your brain dies you experience eternity beacause as your brain function slows down so does your perception of time so each passing second becomes longer and longer until the final second becomes an eternity to you. But you just wind up a mass of biological material in the end.
Woot. My first post. Well I just want to say that I agree with what you say GodlessWarrior, in that I believe as one is dying, time slows down and eternity is experieced. Yet, as to what happens after death, I'm not sure. Sure people have commented on what happens as one is dying but does anyone have any thoughts on after death. Does one actually have a soul to send to a heaven?
mongooseboi
11-28-2004, 09:56 PM
death is just the next step of life. i dont think people should worry about it so much. when it comes, it comes. you should just accept it. unless you're going to be shot or something then you fight of course, but i mean i dont really fear death that much.
Jeimuzu
11-29-2004, 10:51 AM
I personally don't really care how or when I die. Let me slightly digress and quote a couple lines from The Last Samurai.
Emperor: Tell me how he died.
[Tom Cruise's character]: I will tell you how he lived.
It is not so important to me how I die; what is important is how I live in preparation for death. Sometimes when we say we want to die for a good cause, it simply becomes a dream. But to truly die for a good cause, you must make your entire life into a good cause.
At least, that is the way I feel.
Jeimuzu
11-29-2004, 10:54 AM
Does one actually have a soul to send to a heaven?
Where do you think the human conscience originates? It is a soul prompted by a higher power (Jehovah God) to tell us the difference between right and wrong.
Taxidermy
11-30-2004, 11:12 AM
I dont want to die at all, i hope they wind up with some silly medicine to stop aging.
Kagutsuchi
11-30-2004, 03:31 PM
life is all about perception, the way you see things. i think when you die, whatever you totally believe in, will happen.
i dont care if i die, if it wouldnt hurt i dont mind ^_^ just curious whats after it =P
wowwy
11-30-2004, 03:57 PM
i think wats disturbed me more about dying itself is how it effects the ones who care for you .... thats what makes me drive slower...seriously...if i didnt have parents who expect the best for me ... i would be racing cars .... but instead im doing something much safer....studyin ....DAMN IT !!!
sharingank
11-30-2004, 04:02 PM
I want to die peacefully in my sleep. That would be the ideal way to go. ^^ And I've thought about this a bit every now and then too, Ira. I'm a Christian, so I have certain convictions on what happens when one dies...needless to say, I'm not really worried about it. I believe in Heaven, and hopefully, that's where I'll go. As for the experience itself, that's something that no one can come back and describe, you know? We'll all discover it when the time comes.
Taxidermy
11-30-2004, 04:33 PM
this thread is awfully dark, its like "i want to die while Bill Gates stabb me in the belly 200 times" and shit, but oh well.
If i must die i want to die after all the peepl icare about has died so none thats left get hurt. and il guess il meet them again eh?
Mashed Potato
12-01-2004, 07:59 AM
i wanna die of a natural death.. but being murdered is cool too =P
but being murdered is cool too =P
and that proves how idiot mankind is -.-
uchiha
12-01-2004, 11:03 AM
Haha why not? At least you'll most probably die instantly if you're murdered... saves all that suffering lol unless its a murder gone wrong =\
Haha why not? At least you'll most probably die instantly if you're murdered... saves all that suffering lol unless its a murder gone wrong =\
murdering is just sick :/
uchiha
12-01-2004, 11:17 AM
Well yeah but if its not some saddistic psychopath who prefers to skin you alive and kill you slowly then its ok i guess O.o~
How does it rot, decay, go "ash to ash, dust to dust"?
That "ashes to ashes, dust to dust" part is if you're cremated.
Ya know, how things become ashes when they burn? Just set your hand on fire and you'll know exactly how it feels
Of course, being dead, you most likely wouldn't feel the fire while being cremated...At least, I hope not
Kaori Masako
12-01-2004, 04:08 PM
It is true, that nobody knows the answer to this.
I think the way you die, will depend on your experience of dieing, going peacefully, suddenly, painfully, or slowly. Now personally, I think when you die, that's it... there's nothing more, you are simply a lump of meat left wherever you lay. As there is no soul there will be no you remaining to experience anything.
That's probably pretty hard for most people to understand, much like it's impossible to comprehend the vast size of this never ending universe.
Garson007
12-04-2004, 06:17 PM
That is why there is religion, people having faith in an afterlife. If we were immortal would we really follow an afterlife religion?
NocturnalMe
12-04-2004, 07:03 PM
When I die I want to be buried with a baby tree on top or cremated and tossed into the wind off a mountain top
That "ashes to ashes, dust to dust" part is if you're cremated.
Ya know, how things become ashes when they burn? Just set your hand on fire and you'll know exactly how it feels
Of course, being dead, you most likely wouldn't feel the fire while being cremated...At least, I hope not
Actually 'ashes to ashes, dust to dust' is part of a funeral rite from Anglican christain belief. It's like a prayer or a poem - nothing to do with cremation.
In sure and certain hope of the resurrection to eternal life through our Lord Jesus Christ, we commend to Almighty God our brother <name>; and we commit his body to the ground; earth to earth; ashes to ashes, dust to dust. The Lord bless him and keep him, the Lord make his face to shine upon him and be gracious unto him and give him peace. Amen.
Ausar
12-04-2004, 10:30 PM
I've never really thought about dieing myself really but its going to happen to us all sooner or later. Its just a natural part of life,death. I just hope that I live an honest, fulfilling life and possibly leave something for people to remember me by on this Earth.
Death, the end of a chain or the beginning to a cycle
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