[223] Aha, Crazy Theory Time

[Wrath]

Okay. I can't be bothered to write anything long right now, so here goes.

Let's say Isshin is the former commander of the Royal Guard. He was so respected that he was given the ultimate honour - he was allowed to meet with the Royal Family. Only he made the stupid mistake of falling for the Crown Princess. Big trouble. Isshin goes to his buddy Urahara for a way out of it, and Urahara hooks him and his lady up with what they need, and they retire to Earth.

Bada bing, flash to the present, Ichigo is unknowingly the heir to the throne (which he will give up if ever offered it).

[Zack_Strife]

Even though there's no real evidence to support the idea I can totally see Isshin doing something like that.

[chauronity]

Haha, just the same what i offered @ 223 discussion =3
And yeah, it sounds somewhat plausible and all to me but we'll see how it goes ^^


http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=3561760&postcount=67

[Sakura Kaijuu]

That sounds very plausible.

Reading Chauronity's post makes me think it's even more possible. Well...This is an exciting possible turn of events. :laugh

I'm wondering if that is the case then what if Masaki's death is directly related to her lineage? We've seen Isshin's power, however briefly. What could he have missed that led to her death? :huh

And Isshin still agreed with Ichigo that Masaki died for him. I'm wondering if that was just to keep Ichigo thinking that she died when he thought she did or if she really did die to protect Ichigo.

But if that is the case, then why does Yuzu have such low spirit power? Is it dormant or does she just really have almost no spirit power?

I hope that's the case, because I really want to see Ichigo's face when someone tells him that. :laugh

[blazingshadow]

Only he made the stupid mistake of falling for the Crown Princess lol that stupid loli obssessed guy would definatelly do that.

why does Yuzu have such low spirit power?
ichigo didn't have much spirit power until he touched a ghost and did some stuff prior to the first chapter of bleach

[MuNaZ]

That's a Crazy theory.
But still can be possible.
isshin knows much more than he tells, like Urahara. And he is more than he has shown.

[Zaru]

This would explain the whole "king and his horse" thing... yeah, i like this idea, since Isshin's and Urahara's Backgrounds are still very foggy.

[RockLee]

Plausible? Yes.
Probable? No.

Knowing Wrath, though, I'll probably be eating my words in 50 chapters or so. :S

[superman_1]

nice theory Wrath..... i like it.... and hope something like that happens....

[Zero_Profile]

this would be a nice twist to the story line though i think ichigo being part of the royal family that wouldn't be so bad who knows maybe his father married someone from the royal family and were being chased and urahara helped them escape to the real world

[Moridin]

I've been a supporter of the Isshin = commander of the royal guards theory and also the idea that Ichigo might have some sort of royal link. I'd never thought of Masaki as having been the person with direct royal connections.

The Urahara link would make sense as well, did Urahara ever mention the reasons he's exiled from SS by the way? it could always have been done on false charges to punish him for it.

[zagman505]

lol, this an awesome theory, although i kinda doubt it'll happen. =S but i still love it.

[Wrath]

Plausible? Yes.
Probable? No.Well, the thread does have "crazy theory" right there in the title!

[kumagoro_usagi]

It does sound like a good theory, but way to shoujo for Bleach. :amuse

[Last of the Arrancar]

a) It WAS foreshadowed @ Inoues dreams... where ichigo WAS a prince.


Inoue's dreams aren't exactly a, how should I call it, ... reliable source


b) The databook states that there's a royal family in the SS and the prince is lost (=ichigo is out of the SS)


Ichigo was born on earth, if there is a lost prince, it would be Isshin.
'The prince is lost' also means the theory about Ichigo's mom being royal is void. I presume Japanese would use a different word for 'princess' ?


c) Ichigo is crazy talented with immerse potential (royal blood?)


Plausible.


d) Ichigo born a hollow - his guard(!?)/horse - inside him


I don't think it's normal for a royal to have a hollow inside them, if Ichigo was born with his hollow, it's because he is the reincarnation of Kaien, who'se soul was merged with a hollow, not because he is royal.


e) Wichigo referring to Ichigo as "king" ( = royal )


This is difficult. Kubo could just have used this theme because he found it fitting for the situation, or he could be foreshadowing something.


f) The name Kurosaki is known in SS before he even coming to there (gin saying "so he DOES exists), e.t.c


I think it would be more logical if they knew his name because of what Rukia told them ( I'm sure they questioned her of what happened ), they would have been surprised with him because of his big sword and reiatsu.
And do they even know the name of the king ? They sure don't know what he looks like. And if lets say , the captains knew the name, we would have gotten more hints, not just that one vague line from Gin ' so he does exist' .

Btw, if Ichigo IS the heir to the throne, he would accept it, unless Isshin kicks him in the face and goes ' I'm not dead yet sucker, the throne is mine! '


I CAN feel ghosts if I just use my imagination hard enough .... even if there is nothing there.

[TicoTico]

f) The name Kurosaki is known in SS before he even coming to there

Likely Kurosaki's a fake name, though. We'd have gotten a lot more shocked expressions and stuff if Kurosaki was a known name in SS.

As for the crazy theory itself.. very very plausible and equally probable, IMHO. Chauronity's post convinced me. Maybe the royal family are all Vaizards? Heck, who says they're shinigami in the first place :P This theory will def have me thinking while waiting for the next chapter

[Trias]

Damn... With Chauronity's points, it's even more believeable... Wrath, you got something for sure... Even though I don't think he was the captain of the royal guard... (I don't think he was related to Royal Guard, I don't see Tite Kubo making Royal Guards' outfits same as Shinigami. That's just a basic logic, but I think this is a very reason for Isshin being not related to the RG.)

I self-declare myself as the defender of this theory.

Ichigo was born on earth, if there is a lost prince, it would be Isshin.
'The prince is lost' also means the theory about Ichigo's mom being royal is void. I presume Japanese would use a different word for 'princess' ?

There is no solid evidence about Ichigo borning on Earth.

I don't think it's normal for a royal to have a hollow inside them, if Ichigo was born with his hollow, it's because he is the reincarnation of Kaien, who'se soul was merged with a hollow, not because he is royal.

Disproving a theory with another theory? That doesn't make sense. I don't think it would be related to his Royal bloodline too, if he was the prince.


I think it would be more logical if they knew his name because of what Rukia told them ( I'm sure they questioned her of what happened ), they would have been surprised with him because of his big sword and reiatsu.
And do they even know the name of the king ? They sure don't know what he looks like. And if lets say , the captains knew the name, we would have gotten more hints, not just that one vague line from Gin ' so he does exist' .

Aizens planned everything far before Ichigo stepped on the SS; So if he was planning something about Royal Family, it's natural that Gin, not the other captains, subordinate of Aizen, would say that.

Gin's line doesn't make a sense; Renji and Byakuya had seen a person like Ichigo already exists, not believing them would be absurd.

[Wrath]

Aizens planned everything far before Ichigo stepped on the SS; So if he was planning something about Royal Family, it's natural that Gin, not the other captains, subordinate of Aizen, would say that.

Gin's line doesn't make a sense; Renji and Byakuya had seen a person like Ichigo already exists, not believing them would be absurd.Hold on, that made me think of something.

Byakuya would have told everyone about Ichigo, but at the same time he would have said that Ichigo's powers were gone, since he believed that.

If that was what Gin was working on, then the line indeed does not make sense, because Gin should have believed that Ichigo was powerless. That suggests that Aizen knew Ichigo had his own powers, which fits with the way he predicted that Urahara would send him. So what is it that Aizen knows about Ichigo?

Let's say for a second that Aizen's goal is to take the throne for himself, and that Ichigo is the Prince. That makes Ichigo a threat to Aizen's plan, so Aizen sent his goons to check on Ichigo. Yami and Bishi's job was to determine how strong Ichigo was, and therefore how much of a threat he was. When they came back saying he was weak, then Aizen was relieved that Ichigo wouldn't be able to take the throne from him.

EDIT - Masaki's death could also have been engineered by Aizen, since there are still mysteries about it.

[Last of the Arrancar]

There is no solid evidence about Ichigo borning on Earth.


There is no evidence of him not being born on earth eather.

Disproving a theory with another theory? That doesn't make sense. I don't think it would be related to his Royal bloodline too, if he was the prince.


The original qoute was that Ichigo was born with a hollow and that that was a sign of his royalty. And there is 1 theory in wich his hollow was present at birth, that is the Kaien theory, the other theory is the urahara shattered shaft, in wich case he didn't have his hollow at birth.
Either way, him having a hollow isn't a sign of royalty, and you do agree with that apparantly.

Aizens planned everything far before Ichigo stepped on the SS; So if he was planning something about Royal Family, it's natural that Gin, not the other captains, subordinate of Aizen, would say that.

Gin's line doesn't make a sense; Renji and Byakuya had seen a person like Ichigo already exists, not believing them would be absurd.


Why would only Aizen know the name of the king, and not , say for example Yama, who is by far the oldest ? That doesn't make sense.

Let's say for a second that Aizen's goal is to take the throne for himself, and that Ichigo is the Prince. That makes Ichigo a threat to Aizen's plan, so Aizen sent his goons to check on Ichigo. Yami and Bishi's job was to determine how strong Ichigo was, and therefore how much of a threat he was. When they came back saying he was weak, then Aizen was relieved that Ichigo wouldn't be able to take the throne from him.

Aizen probably knew Ichigo was a Vaizard, and knowing how strong a hybrid is, he sent Yammi and Ulquiorra to check him out.

[Trias]

There is no evidence of him not being born on earth eather.

I never denied that :laugh



The original qoute was that Ichigo was born with a hollow and that that was a sign of his royalty. And there is 1 theory in wich his hollow was present at birth, that is the Kaien theory, the other theory is the urahara shattered shaft, in wich case he didn't have his hollow at birth.
Either way, him having a hollow isn't a sign of royalty, and you do agree with that apparantly.

Yeah I do agree that hollow doesn't have anything to do with royalty, too. :nuts


Why would only Aizen know the name of the king, and not , say for example Yama, who is by far the oldest ? That doesn't make sense.

Hm... Is it confirmed that Aizen knows King's name? I didn't read it in translation, or it's possible that I don't remember...

[Wrath]

Aizen probably knew Ichigo was a Vaizard, and knowing how strong a hybrid is, he sent Yammi and Bishi to check him out.So why aren't they going after the Vaizards, who aren't exactly being conspicuous, since they were walking around town and letting Ichigo of all people track them.

[The Sandwich Prince]

Unlike Ichigo, those Vaizards would probably pummel his half-assed creations if they ever were serious.

That or Ichigo really just has too much reiatsu to spare. Or.. both are incorrect and Aizen has no knowledge of the Vaizards, but I doubt it for some reason.

[Last of the Arrancar]

Hm... Is it confirmed that Aizen knows King's name? I didn't read it in translation, or it's possible that I don't remember...

No, it's not confirmed if ANYONE knows the kings name.

So why aren't they going after the Vaizards, who aren't exactly being conspicuous, since they were walking around town and letting Ichigo of all people track them.

Well they did that on purpose, so he could find them with his uber (not) reiatsu tracking skills.

I'm guessing Aizen couldn't spend a lot of time talking to the hollows, as he was still a shinigami, and couldn't really leave SS at his own will. He probably needed all the time he could get to negotiate and form an alliance with them. And the hollows weren't mature hybrids before Aizen left SS, so maybe they weren't strong enough to check out the Vaizards, or they weren't willing to do it( why risk your ass because some shinigami with big promises tells you to ).

[Supa Swag]

f) The name Kurosaki is known in SS before he even coming to there (gin saying "so he DOES exists),

With this, I always thought Gin was talking about it in the sense of "So THAT's the guy who pushed back the Menos Grande."

[Deranged]

Yeah, I can imagine that could actually happen. I like crazy theory times, it gives us time to go over theories that we never thought was possible and perhaps reach a plausible theory that we would have never thought of before

[Hiruma]

Um, Aizen says that the throne has been empty for too long, also a possible reference to Isshin/Ichigo?