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Id
04-08-2006, 11:20 PM
Kratos the man that raised hell in Olympia and killed the God of War Ares
The man that now holds the title "God Of War"
vs

Id. the man who is doomed to relive the same fate over and over. The man who is called the "Slayer of Gods"

vs

Yuri. The only human who has ever successfully fused with the God of all Fusion monsters. The man that brought down God itself in several occasions.
The man who is now called "God Slayer"

out of the 3 who is the most ruthless, strongest of them all. And truly live up to the title as "Slayer Of Gods"?.......

Kage no Yume
04-08-2006, 11:24 PM
From what I've seen of Kratos, he doesn't stand a chance against Id.

Never heard of Yuri.

Could he survive having a giant sandcruiser thrown on top of him?

Countach
04-08-2006, 11:26 PM
My man kratos is the strongest, he wil wipe out all of his opposition with the the choas blades, zuez's lightning, army of hades, madusas gase, and pasiden's furry. and if the battle starts going in favor of Id or yuri he will just activate rage of the god's becoming the ultimate spartain killing machine.

Id
04-08-2006, 11:30 PM
My man kratos is the strongest, he wil wipe out all of his opposition with the the choas blades, zuez's lightning, army of hades, madusas gase, and pasiden's furry. and if the battle starts going in favor of Id or yuri he will just activate rage of the god's becoming the ultimate spartain killing machine.

Id power is infinate..............he has the Zohar, and the waepon Xenogears.

But Id by himself would be enough.

As for Yuri, Dark Seraphim is no push over.

Countach
04-08-2006, 11:34 PM
Kratos does not know what defeat is, he was killed by ares when ares hurled a 200 ft tall piller 10,000 miles wich impaled kratos(dont ask me how?) he was senf to hades to die, and he escaped, kratos can never be killed, he will allways come back to life.

Countach
04-08-2006, 11:36 PM
One queston, how did ID surrvive someone droping a spaceship on him, how do you drop a space on someone???

Id
04-08-2006, 11:38 PM
Kratos does not know what defeat is, he was killed by ares when ares hurled a 200 ft tall piller 10,000 miles wich impaled kratos(dont ask me how?) he was senf to hades to die, and he escaped, kratos can never be killed, he will allways come back to life.

Funny......Id does not know deffeat either, when his body dies his spirit lives on to take over other body.
Any on foot this is what Kratos would go up agianst. Dont say I didnt warn you.:nuts


I am guessing Id is strength is class 100. Why He took down Gears with on foot by himself with his bare hands, In order to interview Id they had to strap him down (neck, legs, feet) and not only that, but connect a rod to his the nerve in his spinal cord to keep him immobilize. Id still claimed he could break free, and the doctor new he was not bluffing. (he didn’t break free b-cus then he used to much strength and his other persona would take over.) He opens up a black hole and punches it towards you (that is fucking amazing in any extent.) He also takes punches, and hits from gears directly. And Cryogenitcally frozen, vary easily.

Id on foot No Gear (with his Gear it would take a reality warper or near cosmic force to beat him)


strength is class 100

Speed. reaction time is 0.03 or faster. (Official)

Power - He has the vast powers of the Zohar witch comes from the wave existence (official)

ABILITIES
GUIDED SHOT:
Graphical representation : Fei concentrates and sends a ball of light on the
enemy.
Effect : Damages enemy with Chi.


RADIANCE:
Graphical representation : A dark circle for on the opponents, blue rays centers
on it while it's growing in size. The circle then changes for a sphere showing
outer space which finally explodes in small pieces.
Effect : Damages with space chi.
(basically he bends and twists black hole/gravity around you)

BIG BANG:
Graphical representation : The screen show the earth and the moon. A huge beam
zaps across the galaxy and wipes out the earth and moon.
Effect : Damages with Gravity Lens.
(you feel the impact of exploding stars, moons, and planets)


HYPER-DEATHBLOWS
FUKEI:
Graphical representation : Flips into the air and throws 13 fireballs in
sequenced order, from right to left hand. Finishes with a last powerful
fireball.
(Air element Attack)

CHIKEI:
Graphical representation : Jumps away from the enemy, charges up and punches the
ground, sending a series of earth pillars on the enemy.
(Earth Element Attack)

KAKEI:
Graphical representation : Flips in the air and emits energy. Falls on the enemy
like a meteor and sends strong fire waves.
(Fire Element Attack)

SUIKEI:
Graphical representation : 4 hits that wraps the nemy into ice, a final hit
makes the ice even bigger. Finishes with a crushing punch, shattering the ice.
(Ice Element Attack)

KOKEI:
Graphical representation : Deals 3 fast right kicks followed by a strong,
electricity-charged split kick.
(Lighting Element Attack)

YAMIKEI:
Graphical representation : Jumps away from enemy and various blue lights comes
from the enemy and go to Fei. A purple whirlpool of light forms on the enemy.
(Attacks the Soul)

Dark Matter
Id opens a dark vortex, unleashing strong energy waves on your
party.
(Attacks with Gravity/black hole attack)

High Level Telekenises

Body Tranmigration


Ok with all Said above the reason why (on foot no gear) Id might have a chance is be-cuse he matches and out ranks Saga in terms of raw/destructive power. Not only that but he is one of the few True character that will not hesitate to kill anyone (old, weak, children, women etc....) His Feats are amazing. (destroying the Armed military unit by himself at age 14) (destroying various nations, and countries.) (holds a power that is greater than Grafs who wiped out 98% of the human race.)

His down side would be his speed. 0.03 of reaction time

Countach
04-08-2006, 11:58 PM
Now I try to make an argument for kratos.

He killed a god, with the aid of pandora's box
he is a god, the god of war to be exact
he has a infinate amont of demonds at his desposal
he kills anyone in his way, not only woman, childein, he killed his own wife and daughter
his god powers have never been stated because we havent seen him as a god, all god powers are infered from ares use in the first god of war.
his amor allows him to grow six spider like claws from his back.
he can make any weapon out of thin air( in the game he made God's war hammer the can start earthquakes, and God's war ax)
His revenge is legendary
he's messed up in the head(he did kill his family)
Has killed eveything from a god to a cyclops
he has four gifts from the differnt gods

1. posiden's fury- a ring of blue lighting surondes kratos for about 15 sec. It damages all enemes within a 100 m radies(proably more now that he is a god)
2. madusa's gase- can turn any foe in to stone, has the power to jump into the air and strike the ground insantly turning any foe within 25m into stone
3. Zeus' lightning-throws lightning bolts a people
4. Army of hades- a army of lost souls are sommend to the battle field to kill all oponates, they can not be killed or hurt in any way.

the gift given to kratos by athina is his most powerfull gift

Rage of the gods- Lightning surronds Kratos and he becomes a spartan deaked with full lightning armor. he can use an infanite amout of magic durring this time and all attacks are magnified

kratos also has an lengendry dialogue with ares.

Ares: kratos don't I made you
Kratos: into what
Ares: the perfect warrior
Kratos:You succeeded
Kratos plunges his sword into ares throat killing him in a giant fusion explostion.

Id
04-09-2006, 12:05 AM
Ill end this match in a cheap way

Id does performes big bang, and whipes out Kratos along with any army at hand.

So does Karots have any way of deffending agianst the Big Bang?

Countach
04-09-2006, 12:06 AM
I don't know, that dialogue was sweet
as for the big bang, if the gods can not be killed by a mortol unless they have the power of pandora's box so I say he dosent die and sends more demonds and dialogue back at ID

Id
04-09-2006, 12:11 AM
One queston, how did ID surrvive someone droping a spaceship on him, how do you drop a space on someone???

He has extremly high level Telekenises

He picked it up with one hand.........its one of the best moments.


I don't know, that dialogue was sweet
as for the big bang, if the gods can not be killed by a mortol unless they have the power of pandora's box so I say he dosent die and sends more demonds and dialogue back at ID

Id becomes one with the Wave Exsistance (who just happens to be god iteself:P )

Countach
04-09-2006, 12:20 AM
He has extremly high level Telekenises

He picked it up with one hand.........its one of the best moments.




Id becomes one with the Wave Exsistance (who just happens to be god iteself:P )


God of war Kratos useing rage of the gods vs. Wave Exsistance ID

I fight truly worthy of The OB

Id
04-09-2006, 12:27 AM
God of war Kratos useing rage of the gods vs. Wave Exsistance ID

I fight truly worthy of The OB

Well, they dont call Id
Slayer of gods
The one who is torn apart
the one who bares fangs at god

For nothing

But now that you know that Id is not mortal, can Kratos survive the Big Bang?

Countach
04-09-2006, 12:31 AM
Well, they dont Id
Slayer of gods
The one who is torn apart
the one who bares fangs at god

For nothing

But now that you know that Id is not mortal, can Kratos survive the Big Bang?

Kratos was mortal but now he is a god so in my opinon he can survive the big bang, but can id surve the rage of the gods?

Id
04-09-2006, 12:36 AM
Kratos was mortal but now he is a god so in my opinon he can survive the big bang, but can id surve the rage of the gods?

Cant say
He survived a warship thrown on him
He wiped out a nation single handly (and I mean Like not thier buildings and all)

Took on two armies by himself in two diffent occasion (bio states he did it more often)

And responsible for whipeing out over 90% of earths total human population.

I say, his telekenises protects him. And his rage outmatches Kratos.

Countach
04-09-2006, 12:39 AM
Cant say
He survived a warship thrown on him
He wiped out a nation single handly (and I mean Like not thier buildings and all)

Took on two armies by himself in two diffent occasion (bio states he did it more often)

And responsible for whipeing out over 90% of earths total human population.

I say, his telekenises protects him. And his rage outmatches Kratos.

Rage of the Gods is not an attack it is an upgrade, and you are saying thet ID's Telekebises will stop all of Kratos' attacks.Mabe,
but ID will never have more rage then Kratos

Id
04-09-2006, 12:42 AM
Rage of the Gods is not an attack it is an upgrade, and you are saying thet ID's Telekebises will stop all of Kratos' attacks.Mabe,
but ID will never have more rage then Kratos


um.......thats kind of hard to say. Id is well is a vary special case. He stops at nothing, and is the one that killed his mother. (sorta)

Vary tragic story. He has a reason to whipe out humanity, and is one of the most cold blooded killers I seen. (Plus he is the main character some what:nuts )

Countach
04-09-2006, 12:44 AM
um.......thats kind of hard to say. Id is well is a vary special case. He stops at nothing, and is the one that killed his mother. (sorta)

Well, Kratos did kill his wife and his only daughter

Id
04-09-2006, 12:47 AM
Well, Kratos did kill his wife and his only daughter

Was he under mind control? Or what was his story.

Id had painfull experiments done, that ware lead by his mother.

Develpoing a physcotic mentality/hatred to all was the only way to deal with his pain.

So in a fight (he was like 8 or something) he killed Graf, and his mother in the prosses.

Countach
04-09-2006, 12:50 AM
Was he under mind control? Or what was his story.

Id had painfull experiments done, that ware lead by his mother.

Develpoing a physcotic mentality/hatred to all was the only way to deal with his pain.

So in a fight (he was like 8 or something) he killed Graf, and his mother in the porsses.

He was forced to kill his family by ares in order to gain the power of the war god's warrior.

I dont know wich one is worse, But killing your own daughter who yoy loved I think is worse then killing an abusive mother who you hate.

Id
04-09-2006, 12:53 AM
He was forced to kill his family by ares in order to gain the power of the war god's warrior.

I dont know wich one is worse, But killing your own daughter who yoy loved I think is worse then killing an abusive mother who you hate.

her mother wanst always abusive, its a long story and vary complicated.

But either way, its established both are ruthless killers
One killed his wife and doughter
the other killed mother at age 8


But lets keep the debate moving.

can Kratos survive having his soul removed, and replaced with distructive chi?

Countach
04-09-2006, 12:54 AM
her mother wanst always abusive, its a long story and vary complicated.

But either way, its established both are ruthless killers
One killed his wife and doughter
the other killed mother at age 8

So rage meters are equel in this fight?

Id
04-09-2006, 12:57 AM
So rage meters are equel in this fight?

Id = phyco fucker
Kratos = crazy motherfucker

I mean re-living the same fate of dieing, and letting the person die infront of your eyes is not something to many charactes come across with, and makes thim a liltle some what violent

Countach
04-09-2006, 12:59 AM
Id = phyco fucker
Kratos = crazy motherfucker

I say that ID blows up Kratos' brain the same instant that Kratos' blades of chaos impale and blow up ID's heart.

It ends in a draw and Yuri walks away the winner, after he reaturns from the bushed after he crapted his pants from the battle he saw.

Id
04-09-2006, 01:01 AM
I say that ID blows up Kratos' brain the same instant that Kratos' blades of chaos impale and blow up ID's heart.

It ends in a draw and Yuri walks away the winner, after he reaturns from the bushed after he crapted his pants from the battle he saw.

yeah, to bad Id can transmigrate bodys, posseing Yuris body making him stronger

Weilding the Power of God X 2

Countach
04-09-2006, 01:02 AM
Yea but yuri's covered in crap

Id
04-09-2006, 01:03 AM
Well, aside from big bang and soul extraction. Can Kratos survived being tossed into a demensional void, and escape?

Ryuji Yamazaki
04-09-2006, 01:04 AM
Yuri. The only human who has ever successfully fused with the God of all Fusion monsters. The man that brought down God itself in several occasions.
The man who is now called "God Slayer"
What from?

Id
04-09-2006, 01:07 AM
What from?
for PS2 rpg game Shadow Hearts 1&2

Countach
04-09-2006, 01:20 AM
Well, aside from big bang and soul extraction. Can Kratos survived being tossed into a demensional void, and escape?

He escaped from hades, and i realy dont know the math on demensional voids so im going to say he can escape.
Can Id survive bening turned to stone?

Id
04-09-2006, 01:24 AM
He escaped from hades, and i realy dont know the math on demensional voids so im going to say he can escape.
Can Id survive bening turned to stone?

Um probly not, Unless he has one of those wonderfull cure itmens, but game machnics is out of the question.

Hm.......can Kratos survive Gravity twisting around him?

Well I look up your response tomarow him hitting the sheets later.

Countach
04-09-2006, 01:46 AM
Um probly not, Unless he has one of those wonderfull cure itmens, but game machnics is out of the question.

Hm.......can Kratos survive Gravity twisting around him?

Well I look up your response tomarow him hitting the sheets later.

I realy dont know how gravity would twist but if it can i would think Kratos would call apon posiden's rage to brake free of the gravity twisting
or he would be crushed because I assume the gravity is very high
so i dont know

um.....Can ID survive the army of hades

mmmm selp time

Id
04-09-2006, 03:12 PM
Well lets see,

He annihilated the City of Elru by age 12.

Annihilated both sides of the Galber Special Task army and another unknown army by 13

Took on a Solarain battalion again at age 18.

Took on the Nation of Solarian (which was by far the most powerful nation) by himself again.

And the rest of the nations leaders are afraid of him because he exhibit’s the same power that his former reincarnated self did 500 years ago (actually he is stronger)
Who happened to to destroy 90% of the world population with a small task force.
It took the combined nations to put in end to his war. And the current nations, are afraid of Id since he is vary well the same person.


Not only that, he wields the destructive power of the “Big Bang” along with Soul Crushing, Dimensional cutting, Gravity twisting, Elemental attacks, h2h combat genius, military training since age 8, and High level Telekinesis. All that and that’s not counting his gear (giant robo) Xenogear, or Id Wetal.

Id say its safe to assume he has, experience in defeating armies by himself and the raw power to back him up.

Here is a link, it gives info on Id.
http://guardian.leamonde.net/chars/fei.shtml

Also check out Grahf
http://guardian.leamonde.net/chars/grahf.shtml

Countach
04-09-2006, 04:26 PM
Well lets see,

He annihilated the City of Elru by age 12.

Annihilated both sides of the Galber Special Task army and another unknown army by 13

Took on a Solarain battalion again at age 18.

Took on the Nation of Solarian (which was by far the most powerful nation) by himself again.

And the rest of the nations leaders are afraid of him because he exhibit’s the same power that his former reincarnated self did 500 years ago (actually he is stronger)
Who happened to to destroy 90% of the world population with a small task force.
It took the combined nations to put in end to his war. And the current nations, are afraid of Id since he is vary well the same person.


Not only that, he wields the destructive power of the “Big Bang” along with Soul Crushing, Dimensional cutting, Gravity twisting, Elemental attacks, h2h combat genius, military training since age 8, and High level Telekinesis. All that and that’s not counting his gear (giant robo) Xenogear, or Id Wetal.

Id say its safe to assume he has, experience in defeating armies by himself and the raw power to back him up.

Here is a link, it gives info on Id.
http://guardian.leamonde.net/chars/fei.shtml

Also check out Grahf
http://guardian.leamonde.net/chars/grahf.shtml

The army of hades is not an army of zombies, its more of an army of dead soles that hades has allowed to leve the underworld with the only purpose to kill all of Kratos' enemies.

Id
04-09-2006, 04:33 PM
The army of hades is not an army of zombies, its more of an army of dead soles that hades has allowed to leve the underworld with the only purpose to kill all of Kratos' enemies.

Um....well........He has a move that extracts souls and crushes them. Its a spiritual attack.

YAMIKEI:
Graphical representation : Jumps away from enemy and various blue lights comes
from the enemy and go to Fei. A purple whirlpool of light forms on the enemy.
(Attacks the Soul)

Countach
04-09-2006, 05:12 PM
Um....well........He has a move that extracts souls and crushes them. Its a spiritual attack.

YAMIKEI:
Graphical representation : Jumps away from enemy and various blue lights comes
from the enemy and go to Fei. A purple whirlpool of light forms on the enemy.
(Attacks the Soul)

Can you kill soles that are allready dead?

Id
04-09-2006, 05:25 PM
Can you kill soles that are allready dead?

A soul is a soul. Regardless if the body is dead or alive.


And I would say yes. Hades army would who are composed of Soul's. Seeing as Id has a way to deffend himself.

Countach
04-09-2006, 06:49 PM
A soul is a soul. Regardless if the body is dead or alive.


And I would say yes. Hades army would who are composed of Soul's. Seeing as Id has a way to deffend himself.

Point taken