Advanced Japanese Lessons (uninterupted)

[The Black Knight]

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[AmenoKitarou]

hi~!! :amuse
yayyy my name is in the vocab list~!!!

I'll post a topic that confuses me all the time but itz quite easy (feel free to delete if itz too easy):

rareru (possibility/honorific form)

rareru can be add to verbs to mean one of the following:

1. something can be done
2. Something got done to someone
3. to glorify or put an action to a statis...(not sure how to word this one)

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1. Something can be done:

For group one verbs: eg. taberu 食べる

change into masu form: 食べます
drop masu, then add rareru: 食べられる = can eat

For group two verbs: eg. tatsu　立つ

change to masu form again:
drop masu, change the last syllable before masu into the "e" syllable:

立つ　＞　立ちます　＞　立てます = can stand


Other verbs: eg. shinjimasu 信じます

drop masu add rareu: 信じられる　=　can believe
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2. Something is done to someone else

group one verbs: 食べる

same as the first time: 食べられる　


Group two verbs: eg. 殺す　korosu

change to masu form:
drop masu, change the last syllable to the "a" syllable to itz line, add "remasu"
殺す　＞　殺します　＞　殺されます　

To use this:

eg: A got killed by B

A は　B　に殺されました

the particle "ni" decides who kills.
'ni" goes behind the person who does the action.
"wa" is after the the person who is affected by the action.

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3. to elevate something

The changing is the same as the FIRST point.

The usage of it is the same as any other verb sentence.

[Dao]

I will be gladly to give th vocab list.. *up to my level* but I can't type kana or hiragana at all if you want I'll Pm the list in writting over ^^; *up to 300 vocabs +kanji + some kanji compounds*

~daomoua2

[MiNoRu088]

may I ask what "Kanas" mean? my classmate tells me that Kanji is different from Kanas. help!!!

[Dao]

HI!! I'm daomoua2,

I'm going to be your vocabulist :P

here are some kanji and meanings.. I'll add more later on as I go on.. I'll also add compunds to!! get ready to learn yo! :P but be careful there are several meaning.

here are the keys

漢字=Kanji

平仮名=Hiragana

second reading

英語=english

・＝no other readings/sperate reading

--------------------------------------------------kanji set 31

漢字／平仮名／romanji／second reading/ romanji／英語

心／こころ／kokoro／シン／shin／heart, mind(n)

冊／さつ／・／counter for books/magazines(gram)

知る／しる／shiru／チ／chi／to know(v)

記す／しるす／shirusu／キ／ki／jot down, write(v)

速い／はやい／hayai／ソク／soku／fast(adj)

美しい／うつくしい／utsukushii／ビ／bi／beautiful *older women only!*(adj)

寺／てら／tera／ジ／ji／temple(n)

所／ところ／tokoro／ショ／sho／place(n)

谷／たに／tani／コク／koku／valley(n)

畑／はた／hata／ハタケ／hatake／culitvated field(n)
----------------------------------------------------kanji set 30 *update later*






----------------------------------------------------Compounds set 31*update later*

Compounds!

漢字／平仮名／romanji／英語

中心／ちゅう・しん／chuushin／

本心／ほん・しん／honshin／

安心／あん・しん／anshin／

心理学／しん・り・がく／shinrigaku／

五冊／ご・さつ／gosatsu／

知事／ち・じ／chiji／

知り合い／し・り・あい／shiriai／

日記／にっ・き／nikki／

記者／き・しゃ／kisha／

記事／き・じ／kiji／

暗記／あん・き／anki／

速度／そく・ど／sokudo／

時速／じ・そく／jisoku／

美人／び・じん／bijin／

寺院／じ・いん／jiin／

寺小屋／てら・こ・や／terakoya／

名所／めい・しょ／meisho／

所長／しょ・ちょう／shochou／

長所／ちょう・しょ／chousho／

台所／だい・どころ／daidokoro／

住所／じゅう・しょ／juusho／

谷間／たに・ま／tanima／

谷川／たに・がわ／tanigawa／

田畑／た・はた／tahata／

キャベツ畑／キャベツ・ばたけ／cabbage batake

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I'll update later whew soo much writting O___O don worry I'll update soon so you won't feel incomplete ^_^;;

~daomoua2

[AmenoKitarou]

Those are great~ daomua2 XDDD

hmmm should I do another grammar lesson~
Since you put up a counter up there, I'll exmplain counters today~!!! ^__^

Counters:
Japanese people have different set of counters to express numbers in various contexts.

example: to count basic the numbers, to count flat things, to count books, to count long thin things etc.

It is essential to know what counter to use at what time.

To count things in general:

1. 一つ　（ひとつ）
2. 二つ　（ふたつ）
3. 三つ　（みっつ）
4. 四つ　（よつ）
5. 五つ　（いつつ）
6. 六つ　（むっつ）
7.　七つ　（ななつ）
8. 八つ　（やつ）
9. 九つ　（ここのつ）
10. 十　（とお）

To count flat things like paper, cards...etc
simply add 枚　（まい）　to the end of the number

eg. 1. 一枚　（いち・まい）


To count books (BOOKS ONLY): add 冊　（さつ） to the end of the numbers. There are some expceptions though

1. いっさつ　一冊
2. にさつ　二冊
3. さんさつ　三冊
4. よんさつ　四冊
5. ごさつ　五冊
6. ろくさつ　六冊
7. ななさつ　七冊
8. はっさつ　八冊
9. きゅうさつ　九冊
10. 　じゅっさつ　十冊

To count long things. (like swords, poles, sticks...etc)
add 本　（ほん）　to the end.
There are exceptions to this one:
1. いっぽん　一本　
2.　にほん　二本
3.　さんぼん　三本
4.　よんほん　四本
5.　ごほん　五本
6.　ろっぽん　六本
7.　ななほん　七本
8.　はっぽん　八本
9.　きゅうほん　九本
10.　じゅっぽん　十本

[botoman]

Counting Months

一月（いちがつ）
二月（にがつ）
三月（さんがつ）
四月（しがつ）
五月（ごがつ）
六月（ろくがつ）
七月（しちがつ）
九月（くがつ）
十月（じゅうがつ）
十一月（じゅういちがつ）
十二月（じゅうにがつ）

Counting Days of the Month - These don't follow the same pattern as the counters for objects, so it would be better to just memorize them. However, the bold ones can be considered exceptions, since they don't seem to follow this pattern.

一日（ついたち）
二日（ふつか）
三日（みっか）
四日（よっか）
五日（いつか）
六日（むいか）
七日（なのか）
八日（ようか）
九日（ここのか）
十日（とおか）
十一日（じゅういちにち）
十二日（じゅうににち）
十三日（じゅうさんにち）
十四日（じゅうよっか）
...
十七日（じゅうしちにち）
十八日（じゅうはちにち）
十九日（じゅうくにち）
二十日（はつか）
...
二十四日（にじゅうよっか）
...

[Yasashiku]

O_O" .... uhhhhh..... I think my brain just snapped...... I only knew the squares :oh

[AmenoKitarou]

I agree with Sumike Kazuo there~
dictionary form, te, form, lalalalala~ :amuse

[Yoshitsune]

Review of ~potential, volitional, passive, causative

Group 1 - verbs ending in "u" with any consonant that produces "u" sound, such as ku, bu, mu, ru etc.
Group 2 - verbs ending in "eru" or "iru"
Irregular Verbs - 来る(to come) and する(to do)

~Potential Form "to be able to ~", "can ~"
To make:
1)Group 1 verbs - use stem, change root before "masu" from "i" sound to "e"
例: 書く　－　書きます　－　書けます
　　 飛ぶ　－　飛びます　－　飛べます
　　 歌う　－　歌います　－　歌えます
2)Group 2 verbs - use stem, and add "rareru"
例：　食べる　－　食べられる
　　　教える　－　教えられる
　　　寝る　－　寝られる
3)Irregular Verbs:
例：　来る　－　来られる
　　　する　－　できる

~Volitional Form "let's ~"
To make:
1) Group 1 - Use dictionary form, change last syllable from "u" sound to "ou" sound
例：　書く　－　書こう
　　　飛ぶ　－　飛ぼう
　　　歌う　－　歌おう (notice the "ou")
2)Group 2 - use stem and add "you"
例：　食べる　－　食べよう
　　　教える　－　教えよう
　　　寝る　－　寝よう
3)Irregular Verbs:
例：　来る　－　来よう
　　　する　－　しよう

~Passive "be ~"
To make:
1)Group 1 - use negative plain form, drop "nai", add "reru"
例：　書く　－　書かない　－　書かれる
　　　飛ぶ　－　飛ばない　－　飛ばれる
　　　歌う　－　歌わない　－　歌われる
2)Group 2 - same as potential, use stem and add "rareru"
例：　食べる　－　食べられる
　　　教える　－　教えられる
　　　考える　－　考えられる
3)Group 3:
例：　来る　－　来られる (rare)
　　　する　－　される

~Causative "made to ~"
To make:
1)Group 1 - use negative plain form, drop "nai", add "seru"
例：　書く　－　書かない　－　書かせる
　　　飛ぶ　－　飛ばない　－　飛ばせる
　　　歌う　－　歌わない　－　歌わせる
2)Group 2 - use stem, add "saseru"
例：　食べる　－　食べさせる
　　　教える　－　教えさせる
　　　寝る　－　寝させる
3)Irregular Verbs:
例：　来る　－　来させる
　　　する　－　させる

[AmenoKitarou]

おおおお～ヨシツネさん！！　たとえ同じのレッスンであっても　僕のより　ず～～～～っと　上手で、いいレ ッスンだ！！！XDDD

[Yoshitsune]

おおおお～ヨシツネさん！！　たとえ同じのレッスンであっても　僕のより　ず～～～～っと　上手で、いいレ ッスンだ！！！XDDD

Ima kanji de taipu dekinai shi,
mae no suredo ni ki ga tsukanakatta ga, suman~

[shadow_assasin123]

are u guys japanese or did u study and if u did for how long?

[AmenoKitarou]

I'm a chinese, learning Japanese.
I'm in Year 12...my last year of school, and I started studying Japanese in Yr 11....which makes my time learning Japanese... 1.5 years.

I'm doing a course called "accelerated level" at school so my class goes much faster than normal....but I'm still nowhere near as good as the others here :amuse

[shadow_assasin123]

lol ur lucky cause here in vancouver the whole school district had its japanase taken away casuse they said that they taught for long enough so im stuck at home learning japanese from a book course and a dvd and the internet but deres so much u can learn before needing help from a teacher :*(

[shadow_assasin123]

lol im spanish and im learning japanese lol and he probably skipps his class since hes spanish cause i noe i would and my school offers spanish and french so dat means im studying japanese at home cause i bought this japanese coursebook along with dvd and dats wat i've been trying to do, to get myself a japanese girlfriend lol

[Yoshitsune]

I'm 1/8th Japanese, and the rest Hispanic. But I do have some German and Chinese in my blood :0

[Dao]

T_______T all ya guys are way better than me T_____T my japanese skills are useless.... and I've been taking for almost three years now.... T_T

~daomoua2

[botoman]

でも....

それはこのスレッドのいしですよ！

That is what this thread is for (That is this thread's purpose)

え～と、この場合の「いし」（意思）を使うのは何かちょっと変だと思う。その「いし」とは生き物や、特に人 間のことについて使われるそうだ。「もくてき」の方がましだと思うんだ。

[Yoshitsune]

え～と、この場合の「いし」（意思）を使うのは何かちょっと変だと思う。その「いし」とは生き物や、特に人 間のことについて使われるそうだ。「もくてき」の方がましだと思うんだ。

そうだ。目的は～goal～だよ。
さすがボトさん

[AmenoKitarou]

ね～次のレッスンは何をすればいいのかなぁ～～

[The Black Knight]

If you got the sentence structure down, joshi (particles) understood, verb forms, etc grammar wise, it is most likely best to just practice. Once you know enough you can learn new words by reading them out of context, or even out of a pure Japanese dictionary and not EN<->JP. I suggest go to Japan-guide.com....get a microphone and go to the forums and find a friend to talk to and practice with, so they can practice english, and you practice Japanese.

Anyway, I really need to post a lesson, I haven't really posted any since my first post that i made.

[Tigersmt.334 X Assasin's]

the spoiler thing is funny! ^_^

[Yoshitsune]

Suzuhiko....was that Nevada-tan on your sig?....wow...haha

[xHeadhunter]

パーチクルをりかいするのわむりだってばよう。エッグザンプルはぜったいないよう、その上じゅぎょうはだい たいうれしかった。

ところでオレはじゆんすい日本人ジャネーからインプットはちがうかもシレネー。

ほとんどによくできたぞう。

[natwel]

Lol yeah even though she may be my girl friend, we have been together for about 7 YEARS! That's like a Nobel Prize accomplishment compared to my friends. We even continued it after she left, and I visit there every summer, and over christmas break. We have recently talked about marriage, but we're waiting till last year of college; 21-22 yo. So that means when we do get married, if we stay together (I'm 99% + that we will) we will have been together for about 10-11 years. We will get married in Japan (ooh expensive plane tickets for my family), and live in Japan. I will become a citizen...eventually.


Lucky Bastard:mad :mad :mad :mad

[The Black Knight]

wow this thread is old, It kinda died and was meant to be intermediate lessons anyway.




Also, yeah, I didn't know then, as I was never told until recently, but I found out I already have a Japanese citizenship by birth, but I have to declare it by age 21 and give up my US citizenship. I plan on maybe declaring/choosing it, but never handing in the US one, I heard that I can do that-- as it is a "what they don't know, won't hurt them" kind of thing.:amuse


Anyway, I got tired after the first or second lesson, and it wasn't going anywhere, so I'm going to close my thread. If any of yall ever need help simple go to the Japanese Class thread or the Japanese speakers FC, and ask your question, and someone should answer (it may not be me). :amuse