SANJI, is he underrated!?!? [Archive]

ramza85

02-28-2006, 11:41 AM

I really dun see why most ppl think very little of Mr. Prince.. I for one agree he have no motivation for any extra-ordinary accomplishment but he is uber strong also..
his kicking skill is passed down from a legend of the grand line.. what more can I say?
But tat is not his only strength.. many ppl fail to see tat he is like the wise tactician of Straw Hat crews.. he seem to always have a plan, and a good one too..
Reasons for my belief:
1 he singled-handedly planned and flawlessly execute the saving of the rest of the SH when they fell for Crocodile trap.. (see volume 19 chapter 174 for reference)
2 He seem to be calm and tactful of his actions, at least when there is no beautiful woman around.. (see volume 27 chapter 247 page 16)
3 He proved his shrewdness again by sneaking onto the golden ship Maxim and messed up the insides of the ship.. (see volume 30 chapter 383+384)
4 He again prove his resourcefulness by locating Nico Robin and getting on the train.. (volume 38 chapter 359 page 18-19, chapter 360-361)
5 He choose clever trickery over direct confrontation with the enemies on the Puffing Tom and clear away 50+ enemy.. saving his energy and time.. (volume 38 chapter 368)
in short, he rocks.. until he see a babe..
come on guys, it is hard to not see it now.. Luffy rocks, Zoro rocks too, and Sanji is not far behind..
I like them each for their own style and power.. But it is just so sad tat Sanji’s uberness get ignore..

Vaizard

02-28-2006, 11:57 AM

I didn't think Sanji was underated. I think most people put him 3rd, sometimes tied for 2nd with Zoro in terms of fighting strength and skill. Though, with the addition of Robin, it can get kind of difficult to place them.

Freija

02-28-2006, 12:10 PM

i put sanji on split with zoro.... is that underestimating ?

Raptor

02-28-2006, 12:11 PM

Hmm... Naa, Sanji is not that underrated. His skills are the 3rd best of the crew. Sure Robin has an advantage, (fist by being a very hot woman, at lest in the One Piece world and second by her DF)

But to the rest of the world he's not that known. He's labeled as Mr. Prince but it would be as funny as hell if he gets the smallest bounty of the bunch with the tytle "Pirate B" instead of Mr. Prince... hehehe.

Hermie

02-28-2006, 12:36 PM

Not underrated, as he has lots of fans, and he is ranked third in the crew (by strength, at least).

But yeah, he is totally awesome and rocks my world :love

ramza85

02-28-2006, 12:54 PM

Chi

02-28-2006, 02:22 PM

It seems that Sanji want bounty more than anyone, so I think he will be the last to get one :P

And I always thought of him as the 3rd strongest form SH.
I'm not sure about Robin though.. Her ability is pretty powerful. And if Franky will join then I will be totaly lost..

I think he is underrated because he's a cook.. I mean.. Luffy and Zoro are pure fighters. Zoro trains a lot (luffy probably too). Luffy is a devil fruit user.
And Sanji worked in the restaraunt all his life..

Raptor

02-28-2006, 02:29 PM

ranking is silly sometimes.. we all noe luffy is uber strong but i just wanna say tat each Straw Hat takes credit for accomplishments in their own field..
Thanks guys, really appreciate the comments..
Sanji Anti-manner kick course Rocks~!~!
Anyway about the bounty.. i think tat it is not a bad thing if Sanji did not get any bounty at all.. firstly if he unheard of, wouldn't it be great to have a team mate who is always able to go behind enemy lines and own them? it would also suit his role..
Nico Robin is supposed to be better at sneaky and stealthy things.. but with the bounty on her head she get unwanted attentions when ppl recognise her and thus will blow her cover..
And so i say.. having a bounty is not a good thing for Sanji, considering wat oda had shaped Sanji involvement in most of the arcs.. Sneaky!
only thing is tat i think he would get piss by Zoro teasing..

Well after getting in the middle of the justice island, decimate 10,000 marines, defeat cp9 and the rest, destroy a flag, make giants attack them, destroy complete buildings, and probably defeating a buster call... I'd be surprised if a straw hat doesn't has a bounty. I'd be even more if the smallest one was less than the 100 grand.

Oda likes to forshadow events a lot, Sanji once said his bounty would be twice Zoro one. so i'm almost sure he'd get one now of 120,000,000. It wouldn't be a bad thing

Baby Raptor

02-28-2006, 06:08 PM

Well after getting in the middle of the justice island, decimate 10,000 marines, defeat cp9 and the rest, destroy a flag, make giants attack them, destroy complete buildings, and probably defeating a buster call... I'd be surprised if a straw hat doesn't has a bounty. I'd be even more if the smallest one was less than the 100 grand.

Oda likes to forshadow events a lot, Sanji once said his bounty would be twice Zoro one. so i'm almost sure he'd get one now of 120,000,000. It wouldn't be a bad thing

i hope Luffy and crew will updated and new poster of wanted after Enels Island

Moridin

02-28-2006, 06:46 PM

its pretty much guarenteed that they'll get new bounties, the only thing to see is whether or not a buster call should happen. That would really determine the degree their bounties jump.

Anyway I tend to think Sanji is underated, I put him at pretty much level with Zoro, Robin just above both of them and then Luffy at the top. Sanji has really done as much impressive stuff as anybody else. The whole Mr Prince bit in the alabasta arc was one of my favourites in the series.

Wrath

02-28-2006, 08:13 PM

Sanji suffers from the fact that his abilities are "only" kicks. That's in terms of both actual strength and perceived strength. He's never going to be able to hit as hard as Luffy, so kicks alone aren't enough to make him stand out. And in terms of the perception of him, it's that only more so. He also doesn't have many fights. After all, in Alabaster his opponent was able to almost beat him thanks to the fact that Sanji can't hit women, not because he was as strong as Sanji.

But Sanji is so very awesome. And a large part of this arc was devoted to showing that to us, to justify Sanji's new bounty, just like Zoro got to take out the 100 pirate hunters and Luffy beat a Shichibukai.

Ruri

02-28-2006, 09:33 PM

I've never felt that Sanji was underrated. In general, most people will rank his strength as equal to or slightly less than Zoro's. I think he's seen as weaker due to his role as a chef, perhaps, and his love of pretty women. Whereas Zoro is a fighter who has a very serious personality, Sanji is more comical.

Sanji suffers from the fact that his abilities are "only" kicks. That's in terms of both actual strength and perceived strength. He's never going to be able to hit as hard as Luffy, so kicks alone aren't enough to make him stand out. And in terms of the perception of him, it's that only more so. He also doesn't have many fights. After all, in Alabaster his opponent was able to almost beat him thanks to the fact that Sanji can't hit women, not because he was as strong as Sanji.

But Sanji is so very awesome. And a large part of this arc was devoted to showing that to us, to justify Sanji's new bounty, just like Zoro got to take out the 100 pirate hunters and Luffy beat a Shichibukai.

I hadn't thought about the influence of his fighting style, but you make a good point. I agree, though, that this arc has been showcasing Sanji more, and his bounty will probably reflect this.

shinjowy

03-01-2006, 12:40 AM

I've always seen Sanji to be "equal" with Zoro; it's just that many people find Zoro's serious attitude to be more fitting to a fighter than Sanji's comical personality.

Anyway, I'm hoping Sanji learns how to use that special kicking attack of the CP9, and, to a smaller extent, that technique that they use to jump in mid-air. If Luffy can find out the secret to Soru, then Sanji should be able to discover the secret to that kick. (i think it was called Rankyaku or something).

Marsala

03-01-2006, 03:38 AM

Sanji always gets stuck with the comic relief fights. He fought Mr. 2 Bon Clay in Alabasta, a very goofy fight. I don't even remember who he fought in Skypiea, but he was out of action for most of the grand melee. On the train he fought some boxer, a fellow chef in the silliest fight yet, and now he's up against the weakest of CP9 and will probably only be challenged by her femininity.

Sanji acts like a rival to Zoro, but he's probably significantly below Zoro's level in actual fighting. He was the first of the Straw Hat crew to come close to hurting a CP9 (Blueno), though, so he's far from weak. Sanji just doesn't get put against opponents who challenge him in the standard way.

Baby Raptor

03-01-2006, 10:03 AM

Sanji is not weak but Sanji is rival with zoro but i like it it is funny , they fight each other for no reason or better performance

it is very true Sanji is underrated but someday , Sanji will be wanted poster after current chapter

i remember Sanji was piss off about Luffy got first wanted poster

Raptor

03-01-2006, 11:55 AM

In a movie...

Zoro kicked Sanji... badly, but since it was a movie doesn't count

But Sanji is completely different. He's not underrated but the WG and most people don't really know who he is since he hasn't earned a name yet. Zoro was already known, and Luffy began to be known after defeating great East Blue Pirates...

Sure Sanji defeated Bon Clay... but later Bon Clay joined them since he doesn't has to fight them anymore, so no one can be sure about his merits.

And he doesn't has a second name either... weird isn't it?? :amuse

shibigoku

03-01-2006, 01:47 PM

none of the Straw hats are underrated. It's just that we haven't seen Saniji getting stronger by a training or a boost of self esteem or something like that.

- Luffy: Gear 2nd
- Zoro: The ability to cut anything
- Toni Toni Chopper (best name ever): he is strong when he believes in himself, he actually beat one of the sky priest by himself.
- Nami: wood stick --> elemental stick --> elemental stick with dials
- Ussop: the fight vs Luffy and now his new slingshot
- Sanji: pretty much the same from day 1. Of course, as a Straw hat, his strenght and endurance have sky rocketed abnormally but so did the other Straw hats. We know that he's good and the kick he gave to a CP9 using the defense skill (will edit after I get the names back) was very strong. It's just that until people see him getting an upgrade... he will be underrated.

Baby Raptor

03-01-2006, 02:15 PM

In a movie...

Zoro kicked Sanji... badly, but since it was a movie doesn't count

i dont remember which movie is ... unless i am current on K-F movie which you talk about which movie of one piece

S.o.L

03-01-2006, 08:32 PM

It's movie 5, K-F said they would release that movie after they release episode 183 or 185. I can't remember right now, but it is one of those two.

Pratz

03-01-2006, 09:21 PM

Sanji was always one of my favorite characters. He has the flair, the style, and the attitude. He gets to be smarmy, has an awesome eyebrow, and a suit. The suit is my hero.

Dr. Hiluruk

03-01-2006, 09:34 PM

i definetly think he's underated sometimes.

people mostly see zoro and luffy. sanji is amazing, tho not as good as them sometimes.

his bounty still is low, or doesn't exist.

and he's really good! im watching the movies, 4 was good, and sanji helped own the guy and gave luffy flour! *fer F***'s sake, don't ask*

Chi

03-02-2006, 06:37 AM

i dont remember which movie is ... unless i am current on K-F movie which you talk about which movie of one piece

I believe he is talking about the 5th movie.

Zoro meets his old friend (who is marine now). And then he, kinda, betrays SH for him. And this friend is trying to awake the cursed sword, or something like that..

It's a movie anyway, and has nothing to do with the original story..
Still I think Zoro is stronger because he trains a lot and Sanji.. well Sanji isn't training it seems. Zoro was training since childhood. In fact, he spent ALL his childhood training. And Sanji was a cook in East Blue. :oh

Raptor

03-02-2006, 10:56 AM

Also like someone pointed out, Sanji style never changes. Heck even Nami style has changed... Sanji might be faster but we can't see the difference between his old and new skills.

Jack Bauer

03-02-2006, 02:45 PM

Aman

03-02-2006, 02:51 PM

I would say it's like this: 1. Ruffy 2. Zoro 3. Robin 4. Sanji

But that isn't because i think Sanji is weak, just weaker then them, not by a lot though.

ramza85

03-02-2006, 03:49 PM

Also like someone pointed out, Sanji style never changes. Heck even Nami style has changed... Sanji might be faster but we can't see the difference between his old and new skills.

And he doesn't has a second name either... weird isn't it??

Hey..
each SH have their own fighting style..
Monkey D Luffy - "punches, kicks or wateva part of the body he can use" rubber warrior
Roronoa Zoro - Three blade Swordman
Sanji - Kicking techniques specialist
Nami - Crafty and intellectual weapon utilisation specialist
Usopp - Timid and pretentious liar Ace Sniper, using Dial enhance weapon
Nico Robin - "critical, swift and decisive" assassination specialist
Toni Toni Chopper - "weakness locating" zoan warrior
(btw Nami, Usopp also dun have second name, some character will never have one.. like u never noe orochimaru second name..)

Style? Wat style?!?
Their fighting styles are still fundamentally the same.. All tat i notice is tat the attack strength increases and the most obvious of all, the name change..
Tis is purely bias opinion.
Zoro gives a new name to a different pattern 3 swords finishing move and it is call a style change.
Sanji gives a new name to a split second 3 hit kicking finishing move and it is call the same old style? WTF!?
U kidding me right?

Tenrow

03-05-2006, 05:33 PM

My observation of fighting styles

Monkey D Luffy: Weapon based hand to hand combat
Roronoa Zoro: 3 sword style using techniques with a lot of play-on-words
Sanji: Only Kick based fighting using cooking technique as bases for attacks
Nico Robin: Swift binding/gripping flower based attacks
Chopper: Split hoof reindeer attacks
Nami: Tenpou magic tricks
Ussop: Strategic Slingshot sniping through exposing enemy weaknesses

Why am I using alliteration all of a sudden? >.<

ramza is right, they never really "change" their styles, just enhances it, but in my opinion sanji gets kinda of repetative, nor does enhance that much. Only in the current enies lobby arc, are we actually seeing noticable new attacks.

and has anyone notice that the SH crew only use their strongest attacks once

Luffy: Gomu Gomu Storm (prolly going to be jet storm in the EL arc)
Zoro: 108 Desire Phoenix
Sanji: Anti-Manner Kick Course
Chopper: Split-Hoof Roseo
Nico Robin: 100 flower delphinium clutch
Nami: Tornado Tenpou
Ussop: He doesnt really have a super strong attack, but I would probably say Impact or Fire Bird Star or something out of this arc.

ramza85

03-13-2006, 04:16 PM

Sanji "round the grand line" kick!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dymnbm_Ctfk
watch and be amazed by the magic eyebrown!!!

Tenrow

03-14-2006, 11:29 PM

Sanji "round the grand line" kick!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dymnbm_Ctfk
watch and be amazed by the magic eyebrown!!!

Ugh I didn't like the soccer king short.

Gyroscope

03-15-2006, 09:10 AM

It's a movie anyway, and has nothing to do with the original story..
Still I think Zoro is stronger because he trains a lot and Sanji.. well Sanji isn't training it seems. Zoro was training since childhood. In fact, he spent ALL his childhood training. And Sanji was a cook in East Blue. :oh

Mother of god!

Please stop analyzing skill based on what they do. Sanji while spending his time cooking in East Blue was also being knocked around by one of the most known pirates in the Grand Line. I suppose his kicking skills come with him learnign how to make the perfect sauce, or the perfect dessert :notrust

The number of times the "he is a cook so he isn't strong" argument has been used....is ludicrous. Oh and btw, Luffy isn't training either, yet we know just how strong he is. And Sanji very recently showed off his skill with knives as well, so clearly it isn't a matter of seeing who trains longer.
I had a huge debate about this on AP forums, where we were pretty much gauging just how much of a difference lifting weights is going to do in a fight.
Conclusion - Not much.

OT - Yes Sanji is underrated a lot, the way Oda writes the story he seems to portray Sanji and Zoro as equals never showing either one of them as definately superior to the other.
And movies can lick me :amuse

Asmodeus

03-15-2006, 02:08 PM

Given the most recent developments...well, the only fight Sanji ever lost to someone who wasn't as woman was his first one. Any other ass-kickings he's gotten have been b/c he can't hit women. That's not such a bad thing, is it?

Odlam

03-15-2006, 02:21 PM

Sanji has always been really strong, but hes just not on the same level as Luffy or Zoro to me

His combat skills are extremely impressive, he definately had Califa, but shes a 630 with a devil fruit, whereas Zoro was fighting a 2000+ CP9 member with a devil fruit, and Luffy is going to be fighting a 4000 with vast experience with his devil fruit.

And the fact that he cannot hit women is a weakness that cannot be ruled out. As cool as his attitude is, that means there is a portion of the bad guy population that is effectively invincible to Sanji, so even if he was equal in fighting abilities to Luffy or Zoro, he still wouldn't be equal all around.

I do think he is the third strongest of the current crew though.

Gyroscope

03-15-2006, 07:41 PM

His combat skills are extremely impressive, he definately had Califa, but shes a 630 with a devil fruit, whereas Zoro was fighting a 2000+ CP9 member with a devil fruit, and Luffy is going to be fighting a 4000 with vast experience with his devil fruit.

And how would this calculation of yours take into account Sogeking who is also currently fighting a 2000+ with a DF?
By your previous sentence, it also would mean that Sanji isnt on the level of SogeKing.
I hope you know where i'm going with this.
Douriki is a measurement of the CP9s power and not the SHs power. OP is not DBZ, Douriki is not a power level.

And the fact that he cannot hit women is a weakness that cannot be ruled out. As cool as his attitude is, that means there is a portion of the bad guy population that is effectively invincible to Sanji, so even if he was equal in fighting abilities to Luffy or Zoro, he still wouldn't be equal all around.

Agreed, however that is what the SH crew is for...
Remember what Luffy was yelling at Arlong back in the Arlong park arc?
He can't use swords, he can't navigate, he can't cook, and without people/friends who could do that for him he knew he was a goner.
That is what being an SH is all about. Its about that close bond they all share.
Sanji cannot harm a woman, he lives by his moral code and would rather die than break them. But now Nami is going to be doing the ass kicking for him. Just as how Chopper is taking care of Kumadori for her.
It really doesnt matter in the long run.

I do think he is the third strongest of the current crew though.
If you mean physically strong, then i would put him on par with Zoro.
If you mean in a fight, then IMO robin would clearly be placed at second. Her fruit is just that overpowered. Break Sanji's back, break Zoro's legs and they cant do crap. Luffy on account of his stretchability is practically immune to her DF though.

Tenrow

03-15-2006, 09:32 PM

And how would this calculation of yours take into account Sogeking who is also currently fighting a 2000+ with a DF?
By your previous sentence, it also would mean that Sanji isnt on the level of SogeKing.
I hope you know where i'm going with this.
Douriki is a measurement of the CP9s power and not the SHs power. OP is not DBZ, Douriki is not a power level.

Agreed, however that is what the SH crew is for...
Remember what Luffy was yelling at Arlong back in the Arlong park arc?
He can't use swords, he can't navigate, he can't cook, and without people/friends who could do that for him he knew he was a goner.
That is what being an SH is all about. Its about that close bond they all share.
Sanji cannot harm a woman, he lives by his moral code and would rather die than break them. But now Nami is going to be doing the ass kicking for him. Just as how Chopper is taking care of Kumadori for her.
It really doesnt matter in the long run.

If you mean physically strong, then i would put him on par with Zoro.
If you mean in a fight, then IMO robin would clearly be placed at second. Her fruit is just that overpowered. Break Sanji's back, break Zoro's legs and they cant do crap. Luffy on account of his stretchability is practically immune to her DF though.

Nico Robin would be the 2nd strongest. I would say that with her aside, Zoro is 2nd stronger than Sanji, in fighting styles

Code

03-15-2006, 09:51 PM

OT - Yes Sanji is underrated a lot, the way Oda writes the story he seems to portray Sanji and Zoro as equals never showing either one of them as definately superior to the other.
I'd say he's portrayed Luffy and Zoro as equal in strength, while Sanji and Zoro disagree on the most trivial matters.

If you mean physically strong, then i would put him on par with Zoro.
If you mean in a fight, then IMO robin would clearly be placed at second. Her fruit is just that overpowered. Break Sanji's back, break Zoro's legs and they cant do crap. Luffy on account of his stretchability is practically immune to her DF though.
Well if the One Piece red book is anything to go by, Zoro and Luffy both have a 6 in strength, while Sanji only has a 5. Or if you want manga evidence, both Luffy and Zoro hit each other with strong attacks (I believe Luffy did Bazooka) back in Whiskey peak, and that along with every single other attack they hit each other with was equally matched. They even made a comment about "Finally getting to see who is stronger, a fighter or a swordsman."

And Robin would need strength to overpower them, while that may work for Sanji, I'm not too sure she can overpower Zoro considering his physical strength.

Azure-kun

03-15-2006, 11:45 PM

rankin is so gay. . . come on guys sanji's really cool in some cases, I only read watch the show but I hear there's not much of a difference. his tactical skillz seems great. not as great as namine since she's the navvigater. I heard he took out atleast 3 outta 21 berok's works villans. his fighting style rox 2 :cool

ramza85

03-16-2006, 01:30 AM

And how would this calculation of yours take into account Sogeking who is also currently fighting a 2000+ with a DF?
By your previous sentence, it also would mean that Sanji isnt on the level of SogeKing.
I hope you know where i'm going with this.
Douriki is a measurement of the CP9s power and not the SHs power. OP is not DBZ, Douriki is not a power level.

WoHooo.. WarcoW's the man!!
tat is my point.. OP is not DBZ but ppl dun see it..
Being a SH is about putting ur life on the line for one another and for ur dreams.. they dun really vie for "who is the strongest" title(perhaps only Zoro and Sanji).. they just do wat they are good at and are very good at wat they do..

Zoro and Sanji is pretty much at the same level.. i believe Zoro would also go easy on woman and avoid fighting them cos of wat he say when Eneru attack Robin for being shallow, "she's a woman".. (chapter 275)
Luffy's on a whole different level bcos of his DF powers.. didnt the group always believe(and it is shown many times) tat if the enemy cannot be defeat by Luffy, who else can? (chapter 199)

And Robin would need strength to overpower them, while that may work for Sanji, I'm not too sure she can overpower Zoro considering his physical strength.

i do not think it is so.. her 'hana hana' DF power will surely own both of them.. go read chapter 170 for prove.. she stated herself tat power and speed is nothing infront of her DF ability.. unless ur super heavy, big or have a element DF power, u are pretty much owned by her..

Azure-kun

03-16-2006, 07:16 PM

i can see sanji fighting zolo and coming to a draw. there about as close as jin and mogan from samuri champloo :)

SeruraRenge

03-16-2006, 07:52 PM

and has anyone notice that the SH crew only use their strongest attacks once

Luffy: Gomu Gomu Storm (prolly going to be jet storm in the EL arc)
Zoro: 108 Desire Phoenix
Sanji: Anti-Manner Kick Course
Chopper: Split-Hoof Roseo
Nico Robin: 100 flower delphinium clutch
Nami: Tornado Tenpou
Ussop: He doesnt really have a super strong attack, but I would probably say Impact or Fire Bird Star or something out of this arc.
actually, Luffy uses the Storm 3 times. First on Crocodile, second of Ao Kiji (doesn't work though), and lastly on 500 marines at Enias Lobby.

Walker

03-17-2006, 04:15 PM

I believe he is underated a little. Most people just see Zoro and Luffy as the main fighters and Sanji and the rest as extras. People still see him ranked at #3 still though.

Jack Bauer

03-17-2006, 04:17 PM

The fact that Sanji doesn't even have a bounty makes him even more of a badass.

Bubbles

03-17-2006, 04:22 PM

Well Sanji is one of the crews fighters, personally I love his character and I never thought of him as being underrated. We all know he's strong, funny, stylish and talented.

XX

Gyroscope

03-18-2006, 01:21 PM

I'd say he's portrayed Luffy and Zoro as equal in strength, while Sanji and Zoro disagree on the most trivial matters.
Isnt that the basis for nearly all rivalries

Well if the One Piece red book is anything to go by, Zoro and Luffy both have a 6 in strength, while Sanji only has a 5. Or if you want manga evidence, both Luffy and Zoro hit each other with strong attacks (I believe Luffy did Bazooka) back in Whiskey peak, and that along with every single other attack they hit each other with was equally matched. They even made a comment about "Finally getting to see who is stronger, a fighter or a swordsman."

Frankly that was way too far back for it to really matter now. Nami came and broke up that fight in seconds so it really stopped being serious after a while.
And honestly that was the only comparison made between Luffy and Zoro. After that it has been more Sanji/Zoro than Luffy/anyone.

And Robin would need strength to overpower them, while that may work for Sanji, I'm not too sure she can overpower Zoro considering his physical strength.

Not a lot of strength really. Sprouting a lot of hands will do the owrk.
Like i said Zoro is all about upper body strength, break his legs and he cant use his techniques anyway.

Most people just see Zoro and Luffy as the main fighters
Actually almost everyone considers Sanji as one of the main fighters. They just consider him vastly weaker than Zoro and Luffy because he is a cook =\

Code

03-18-2006, 01:41 PM

Isnt that the basis for nearly all rivalries

? A fighting rivalrly would involve actual fighting as opposed to just yelling insults about trivial things.

Frankly that was way too far back for it to really matter now. Nami came and broke up that fight in seconds so it really stopped being serious after a while.
And honestly that was the only comparison made between Luffy and Zoro. After that it has been more Sanji/Zoro than Luffy/anyone.

Wya too far back to really matter now? I don't see how that's the case. Nami broke up the fight as they'd obviously only end up defeating each other as it was clear it wasn't getting anywhere. There's never been a comparism made between Sanji and Zoro in terms of strength, and if you want to go by something "not too far back" so that it matters there have been many comments made about why Zoro isn't Captain as recent as the current Water 7/Eneis Lobby arc. That's a comparism

Not a lot of strength really. Sprouting a lot of hands will do the owrk.
Like i said Zoro is all about upper body strength, break his legs and he cant use his techniques anyway.

I'm sure the fact that he has a lot of speed along with jumping strength would imply that he has more than upper body strength.

Actually almost everyone considers Sanji as one of the main fighters. They just consider him vastly weaker than Zoro and Luffy because he is a cook =\
Or consider Sanji weaker as it's been implied (as the exapmles I pointed out before) that Zoro and Luffy are above Sanji, though not neccessarily that he isn't a main fighter.

Jin22

03-18-2006, 03:49 PM

I love Sanji and Zoro both just to get rid of any assumptions of bias. The thing is this, Zoro's goal is to be the strongest swordsman in the world where Sanji's goal is to find the All Blue a lost sea. Zoro's goal requires him doing alot of training and fighting powerful opponents which we actually see him doing and going after. Sanji on the other hand is a great cook who just happens to be very powerful thanks to training from his mentor. I also think that it is a clever thing the writer is doing keeping Sanji and Zoro and odds with one another. It gives Sanji a reason to want to train and keep up.

I said this once on another topic and I'll say it agaiin here, for me to put Sanji on equal footing with Zoro and Luffy, I need to see him fight and defeat an opponent who would give both Luffy and Zoro problems. I have yet to see that, not that I care. Sanji is still very powerful and he's a pimp, he's just not the strongest in the Strawhat crew.

SeruraRenge

03-21-2006, 01:48 AM

The fact that Sanji doesn't even have a bounty makes him even more of a badass.
that's because they don't have a number high enough to depict what he deserves.

dragonofraven

03-22-2006, 01:44 PM

I don't know of anyone who considers Sanji underrated, but I think I can see how they would think that. If you think about it, it's difficult to see him improving like the others would. Luffy has his Gears, Zoro keeps doing knew stuff like cutting through steel, flying slashes, etc. But it's difficult to see how Sanji could do anything really big to improve other than just becoming fast and strong. People who consider him underrated would probably recall the fight with 2, where they were both equally matched. It looks like he was pulling out all the stops there, and I can see how people would think it'd be difficult for him to do too much else with his skills. Also, the simple fact that he hasn't been in too much other major fights afterwards probably diminished some people's awe for him.

Now, me, I think he's a good fighter, and I can't wait to see what Oda does with him. I have no clue how he's going to turn out, but I bet that when he breaks back through, he's going kick some serious ass.

ramza85

03-28-2006, 08:25 PM

Sanji is a superb kicking fighter chef.
he will reach a point where he is strong enough to smash ALMOST anything with his kicks

Zoro is a superb swordsman.
he will reach a point where he is strong enough to cut through ANYTHING

Luffy is their boss.
he will KO all his enemies and be the Pirate King, unmatched in power

now anyone have any problem with the things i declare to be the truth?

Sanji mentor's, Sef the red leg, can destory a cliff with one kick and when he kick iron he would leave his foot mark.. now Sanji should be able to surpass him and be stronger wouldnt he?

Luffy rocks, so do Zoro and Sanji.. But just start noticing how powerful Sanji really is..

dragonofraven

03-31-2006, 02:37 PM

Want to know what would be really awesome? What if Sanji somehow learns Rankyaku. I mean, Luffy's already learning Soru, and it would definitely be an interesting way for him to improve his skills at fighting.

Geese

04-01-2006, 01:55 AM

Zoro is only tougher than Sanji by a hair. Think Kakashi and Gai. This "just a cook" thing is bullshit.

d.Lughie

04-01-2006, 01:57 AM

that'd be totally cool... with rankyaku and his different kicking techniques... his fighting style would be devastating... he prolly could even match zoro's swords...

Skoemie

04-01-2006, 02:26 AM

Sanji is uber cool and strong 2... I think that after the CP9 stuff everyone on the team will have a Bounty...

My estemations are:
Luffy: 300 milj Belly
Zoro: 180 milj Belly
Franky: 140 milj belly
Sanji: 120 milj belly
Choper: 100 milj belly
Ussop: 90 milj belly
Robin: 79 milj belly
Nami: 60 milj belly

These are my thoughts... and remember the Bounty doen't say the strength of one it is just an indication of the importance to catch one because of theyr tread.
Sanji is about as strong as Zoro and Franky are... but not such a freak as our favorite Monkey is.