Fire vs. Ice

[Lemony_Fresh]

Jeez, talk about clash of the titans :P



Any sort of temperatures are acceptable as long as their by planet Earth standards.

Who do you think would win?

[~ Masamune ~]

Fire........

[Shogun]

fire, or not even fire, just heat in general, global warming shows just how much of a pussy ice is (unless you are trapt in a snow storrm).

[ydraliskos]

Ice is solidified water, fire is a reaction with oxygen, this elements/resistances thing has gone too far lol :p

[Jin22]

A scenario would be a help. If a moving fire were amongst the still ice, the ice would eventually melt depending on how long the fire could last. If the ice were to somehow be able to move into or onto the fire, then the fire would or could eventually burn out. I guess it would come down to the amount of each element.

I've been a little consumed with One Piece lately. It got me to wondering if Ace's(Mera Mera-fire) could handle Akoiji's(Hie Hie-ice).

[Arilou]

"Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also nice
And would suffice. "

-Robert Frost.

[Id]

Fire beats Ice in pokemon standerd rules.

[ydraliskos]

"Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also nice
And would suffice. "

-Robert Frost.

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[OniTasku]

Fire beats Ice in pokemon standerd rules.

Now there is some sense talking! =D

Unfortunately...that's pretty much the best I've got as far as logic goes as well.

[Dommy]

Fire for me. http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/6900/flame6wq.gif

[CrazyMoronX]

Scientifically speaking, fire would win.

If fire gets hot enough, it will melt the ice into water, and then break the water down into oxygen and hydrogen, feeding the flames, almost instantly.

[narutorulez]

i think fire would win in a fight against ice

[CrazyMoronX]

Can we get some more feedback, other than "fire for melawl.zz.1!" and "I say fire wins!!!242"

It's pointless, and contributes nothing to the thread.

State your reasons as to why Fire wins, or at LEAST quote someone and agree with what they said.

Stop trying to boost your damn post count, and just saying "fire wins ekekek ^______^" and post something relevant.

[The Pink Ninja]

Fire needs fuel and power while Ice just needs a lack of energy so I'm going to have to hand it to Ice by attrition.

[Raistlin-sama]

Fire is a bit of a tricky subject. When we say something is on fire we simply mean it is going through an exothermic oxidation process. For the ice to be on fire, a sufficient amount of heat is required.

Since ice by definition is below the temperature of 0 degrees Celsius, heat is missing and a reaction can therefore not take place.

So ice wins.

[Yak]

If I recall correctly, in physics it is harder to slow the movement of molecules down rather than to increase their movement. Movement creates heat and in addition, there is no limit for heat in physics but for cold there is. You can't beat absolute zero which is -273,15 degrees Celsius or 459,67 degrees Fahrenheit. But you can create temperatures of several +Million degrees Celsius. Thus, fire/heat wins.

[BattousaiMS]

Against Ice it's fire... if it is water vs. fire then water.

[Rockk Lee]

I think Ice would win, Plus it depends where are they fighting!

[illusion]

Ice = water.

Water > Fire.

Any questions? :huh

[CrazyMoronX]

Ice = water.

Water > Fire.

Any questions? :huh

I have a question, how does water beat fire that can be any temperature again?

In a thermal solar power plant with a central collector such as Solar Two, a 10 MW power plant in California, the temperatures can reach over 3,000ºC. By heating water to over 2,000ºC, it is broken down into hydrogen and oxygen

Source: http://www.bellona.no/en/energy/hydrogen/report_6-2002/22869.html

[illusion]

I have a question, how does water beat fire that can be any temperature again?



Source: http://www.bellona.no/en/energy/hydrogen/report_6-2002/22869.html

You fight fire with water, you don't fight water with fire. I don't care what temperature it is, if you use 'enough' water, fire will lose. :amuse

[CrazyMoronX]

You fight fire with water, you don't fight water with fire. I don't care what temperature it is, if you use 'enough' water, fire will lose. :amuse
I am afraid your logic is false.

Fires that go beyond a certain temperature cannot be fought with water. They are put out with other materials, foams, sand, etc... And what of oil fires? If you put water on an oil fire, it gets worse.

If you have more water than you have fire, it may win. But this is supposed to be a battle of like conditions. Meaning that we have equal amounts, in which the fire will decimate the water.

[konflikti]

Absolutes > big numbers

If we go to absolute zero, no movement exists(except some quantum stuff). Thus, no fire.

[illusion]

I am afraid your logic is false.

Fires that go beyond a certain temperature cannot be fought with water. They are put out with other materials, foams, sand, etc... And what of oil fires? If you put water on an oil fire, it gets worse.

If you have more water than you have fire, it may win. But this is supposed to be a battle of like conditions. Meaning that we have equal amounts, in which the fire will decimate the water.

Let's say you've got a gallon of water, how much fire would be equal to that? It's not like you could weigh the two to make it even. All I'm saying is water is used to put out fire, not the other way around. That, IMO, gives water the advantage. Especially if it's in an ice form, it takes longer to evaporate.

[CrazyMoronX]

Absolutes > big numbers

If we go to absolute zero, no movement exists(except some quantum stuff). Thus, no fire.
O rly?

Perhaps that's true, but we've not managed to maintain absolute zero conditions on earth. And this thread states originally that it is earthen capacities of each.

The closest there is to absolute zero is outer space, and the sun exists, and it's made out of.... *gasp* hot shit!

Also, recently discovered is the calculated temperature of Dark Matter, which exists by itself in outerspace, it's 10,000 degrees. More hot shit!

So, even if we grant the property of Absolute Zero, it's still an external entity trying to overcome, hot hot shit. Which it cannot do. It will heat up, and lose it's absolute zero status.


As for the gallon of water, such comparisons can probably be made by some kind of scientist. Which I am not.

If you have a flame about half the size of a gallon of water that is 50,000 degrees, I gaurantee it will turn the water into hydrogen and oxygen, before the water even comes close to it.

[Jedi Mind Tricks]

Scientifically speaking, fire would win.


Not if Vanilla Ice has anything to do with it.

Which he probably won't...

http://vanillaice.org/images/left/3.gif

[illusion]

Also, recently discovered is the calculated temperature of Dark Matter, which exists by itself in outerspace, it's 10,000 degrees. More hot shit!

Like you said earlier.....'on earth'. smile-big

@ jedi mind tricks: Holy shit, nevermind, fire for the win!! :laugh

[CrazyMoronX]

Like you said earlier.....'on earth'. smile-big

@ jedi mind tricks: Holy shit, nevermind, fire for the win!! :laugh

Please, take context into consideration when replying. I was saying that in reference outerspace and absolute zero. It has nothing to do with earthen conditions. :nod

[konflikti]

Planet Earth standards... So that is your basic fire and your basic ice cube? Or as far as we have got with these? Only reason I put up absolute zeros was because you were tossing around fire that can be any temperature... High temperatures yes, but not any temperature.

Hot shit doesn't equal fire. Nuclear reaction isn't the same as your common burning in Earth standards as you were eager to point out.

I'm finding it hard to argue about this match-up though. Solid matter against reaction. Not much to grasp.

[illusion]

Please, take context into consideration when replying. I was saying that in reference outerspace and absolute zero. It has nothing to do with earthen conditions. :nod

Sorry, I got lazy and just skimmed through your post. :(

[CrazyMoronX]

Planet Earth standards... So that is your basic fire and your basic ice cube? Or as far as we have got with these? Only reason I put up absolute zeros was because you were tossing around fire that can be any temperature... High temperatures yes, but not any temperature.

Hot shit doesn't equal fire. Nuclear reaction isn't the same as your common burning in Earth standards as you were eager to point out.

I'm finding it hard to argue about this match-up though. Solid matter against reaction. Not much to grasp.

Hot shit doesn't equal fire, no, but what does fire produce? Heat.

The OP states that they can be any temperatures, under normal earth standards. Fire can get pretty damn hot on earth, and ice can get pretty damn cold as well. They cannot acheive their fullest potentials, but the fire can moreso.

With equal amounts, the heat from the fire will melt the ice instantly, and turn the resulting water into the two atoms.

[Zeig]

1. This isnt water vs fire. Its ICE vs Fire. Whoever turned it into Water needs to read the title. Because they have turned this into a Water and Fire Debate. :nod

2. Fire would kick ice's ass anyday. :P

3. Moron has done his homework. :amuse

[Avenger2112]

fire............

[illusion]

1. This isnt water vs fire. Its ICE vs Fire. Whoever turned it into Water needs to read the title. Because they have turned this into a Water and Fire Debate. :nod

2. Fire would kick ice's ass anyday. :P

3. Moron has done his homework. :amuse

Hello!! What happens when fire meets Ice? Yes, it turns into water. :nuts

[Raistlin-sama]

I'll say it again. Fire is a reaction with oxygen. This reaction cannot take place with ice, unless you are some how heating up the ice first, so I don't see how fire can win.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

Where does the battle take place? Because depending on the location the victor varies.

[Zeig]

Where does the battle take place? Because depending on the location the victor varies.

It says on the first post on Earth.

[CrazyMoronX]

I'll say it again. Fire is a reaction with oxygen. This reaction cannot take place with ice, unless you are some how heating up the ice first, so I don't see how fire can win.

I don't know what you're getting at Raistlin.

It is assumed that the fire already exists at its hottest form in earthen standards, and that the ice also exists at its coldes in earthen standards. If they meet in the middle, the ice will melt, and decompose into Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms.

At least, this is how I understand it. If it's not a traditional battle with the aboev guidlines, I don't know what it is. The OP didn't make that 100% clear, but I'm sure it is assumed we use the default rules.

[Yamato]

Temperature around 0 K (which can be achieved on earth) can beat temperature around 10^8 which is present when termonuclear bomb explodes.

[Raistlin-sama]

I don't know what you're getting at Raistlin.

It is assumed that the fire already exists at its hottest form in earthen standards, and that the ice also exists at its coldes in earthen standards. If they meet in the middle, the ice will melt, and decompose into Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms.

At least, this is how I understand it. If it's not a traditional battle with the aboev guidlines, I don't know what it is. The OP didn't make that 100% clear, but I'm sure it is assumed we use the default rules.

Well, I guess it depends on how you interpret the OP. If you just say fire, it can mean a lot of things. I defined it in the chemical sense, for the sake of arguing that ice would win (since most people were going the other way, I thought it'd be more fun). If fire is defined the chemical way, it is an exothermic reaction with oxygen. And since this is by earthen standards I assumed that the ice would be somewhere cold (how else, can it be ice) and therefore the reaction would not be able to take place.

Obviously "fire" can be interpreted differently, and another outcome will be reached.

[Lemony_Fresh]

Where does the battle take place? Because depending on the location the victor varies.


And that's exactly why I didn't mention an area to fight in. I was trying to make this match as fair as I possibly could. An environment would easily make a one sided match (and make this thread waaaaay too easy).


If it's battle between a lit match and an ice cube... but they're in a dry forest, fire wins.

If it's that same lit match and ice cube, but takes place in Antarctica, Ice wins.

One-sided battles are no fun at all! Besides, the purpose of this thread was to make an even match and use you head to come up with an answer.