Star Trek vs Star Wars

[Valdens]

RULES:

this includes every character from every movie in star wars and every season in star trek

no godly enteties

no force powers

all ships from all seasons/movies are back(ex. death star, enterprise, ect..)

all guns/lightsabers/weaponry is allowed

either everyone on one side is killed, they surrender, or they are stripped of any possible means to win/defend themselves


they are in our galaxy and cannot leave


GO!

[Xan_Aloufin]

this battle goes to Star Trek.. they have shields on every ship.. and... what will brig doom over star wars... "Teleporters!!"

since star wars didn't thought about that they haven't counter measures.. to being teleported into a cell without their weapons... or if the cells are full just teleport them into space :D

[Scorpio3.14]

The Borg alone could probably take Star Wars :P

[EvilMoogle]

Without the force the Star Wars group has NO chance.

A single Borg Cube could assimilate and destroy everything that was in the movies.

Even if we just include Federation ships and technologies, it's really one sided (actually, there's doubt that the normal ships could even hurt the Enterprise, take the death stars out of the picture and it should be an easy win).

/edit: Damn you Scorpio! ;)

[organizedcrime]

The Borg alone could probably take Star WarsQFT

Well even with the force, it's kinda more than debatable as to whether Jedi have the power to move absolutely gigantic cubes >_>

[Valdens]

ok, EDIT: they are able to use the force

maybe it will be more fair now

[EvilMoogle]

ok, EDIT: they are able to use the force

maybe it will be more fair now
I'd still say ST by a landslide, however it becomes more of an argument of "well, the Jedi will just mind control the captains of every ship." And it becomes a kind of stalemate since we have no idea how well that would work (I'm personally betting that the borg would be rather mind-control resistant, so I still say borg win quickly, especially if we're limited to Jedi that were in the movies. 1 cube.).

[organizedcrime]

(I'm personally betting that the borg would be rather mind-control resistant, so I still say borg win quickly, especially if we're limited to Jedi that were in the movies. 1 cube.).Especially or only? There's a pretty big difference there.

[Rice Ball]

Are we talking all the Old Force users like the Exile, Exar Kun, Revan and malek and all those other lovely sith lords.

If a Sith lord got on a Federation ship, its not farfetched to say he'd butcher the whole crew.

[Keramachi]

Yeah, all the Sith have to do is board the ship. Not to mention the fighter-class ships in Star Trek suck complete ass. It's fair to think that a fighter could manuver inside the ship's shields. Then all that's needed is a well-placed Proton Torpedo to the warp core. Also, a Star Destroyer could annihilate any Federation ship. They are bristling with weapons, unlike the lame Enterprise-type vessels. I don't even care if it's classified as a "combat vessel." A Star Destroyer has 8 heavy turbolasers, an ion cannon, over a hundred fighters, and about a thousand point defense cannons. Meanwhile the Federation is equipped with a "Phaser" (oooh, scary) and "Photon" torpedoes. (A photon is a light particle. You know what a photon cannon is? A flashlight.)

Star Wars wins.

[Rice Ball]

Well 'laser' weaponry will not even make a dent in most Star trek ships hulls nevermind shields.

I remember from a ST:TNG episode this sort thing happening-

Data- Unknown ship has locked on to use with lasers.
Picard- Lasers? <Giggle>
Riker- Sir i believe the procudure is to go to yellow alert at least.
Data- unknown ship is hailing us
Picard- well we better give into there demands <Sarcasum>

[Seany]

Star Wars.

[EvilMoogle]

Especially or only? There's a pretty big difference there.

Opening post specifically limited it to the movies, and we didn't get to see any of the cool powerful Jedi/Sith in the movies. I say one Borg cube can take this fight.

If we opened it up to other SW resources, then it gets more interesting, as there were some Sith that could destroy planets, but I still don't see them winning (they'll just get some kills). I'd say a couple of Borg cubes would win this, everything else is cannon fodder.

The more standard Jedi might be very dangrous if they could board, but I don't see how they could without transporter technology.


Well 'laser' weaponry will not even make a dent in most Star trek ships hulls nevermind shields.
I remember one episode (might be the same one you mentioned) where they specifically say that they don't even need to raise shields for laser attacks, the radiation shields that are always up will absorb the attack without harm.

[Shogun]

Why argue? Star Wars all the way!

[Rice Ball]

Well Sith lords are very powerful, i wouldn't put it past the powerful ones to be able to handle the borg and co.

Also since Starwars has the Star Forge, they will have an almost unlimited supply of ships, they would win this just by dragging it out.

I remember one episode (might be the same one you mentioned) where they specifically say that they don't even need to raise shields for laser attacks, the radiation shields that are always up will absorb the attack without harm.

Was same episode :)

[EvilMoogle]

Well Sith lords are very powerful, i wouldn't put it past the powerful ones to be able to handle the borg and co.
Well, the problem I see is that there's only a handful of the really powerful ones, so it would be hard for them to mount an offensive. They'd be great as point defense, or tactical assault ("We cannot lose this system" or "This station must fall"), but they can't be everywhere. While the Borg will assimilate planets and stations as they capture them.

Also since Starwars has the Star Forge, they will have an almost unlimited supply of ships, they would win this just by dragging it out.
More interesting, but they said that there were only a handful of Jedi (Sith) powerful enough to use it, and it was quite draining to maintain.

Plus they'd run out of people to man the ships eventually. Not to mention eventually they're going to figure out where the unlimited number of ships is coming from, then we'll have a massive battle. Actually, still working with the Borg, all that really needs to happen is get a Borg vessal close enough to beam an assault party on board. If Raven can take it with Carth and Zaalbar I'd think 25-30 Borg could manage it ;)

Was same episode :)
Figured it was.

[Pipboy]

The force is the only thing that could possibly even this situation out. Star Trek is so far advanced to almost any other form of Sci fi that comes out now adays that its not even funny. The things that they can do just without really even thinking about it are insane.

The amount of raw energy that it would take to materialize the captains earl gray tea is slightly less than the volume of energy that if detonated in the upper atmosphere would render the earth uninhabitable to human beings.

A warp core breach would destroy the death star if it was on the surface, death star one or death star 2, either way.

The only advantage that star trek has is that hyperspace is a significantly faster medium of travel than warp. Other than that most every single star wars concotion save the baradium warheads that they rarely use would have no effect on the shields of any decently large federation ship.

Add in working cloaking devices on most every single major galactic power in trek and I think that we have a parity.

You understand that the star trekkers are constantly doing stuff that is the basic equivalent of figuring out the force then simulating it with a deflector dish modulation. The force could even things out but by that same stride so could Q.

If the force was part of the equation then I would have to think on it further. There are several sith that could single handedly even out the fight if they could be trusted to go against their natures. However assuming a derth of jedi masters and sith lords, enough to fill out every signifcantly sized task force would say that this would be a narrow loss for wars. The average knight master or lord is enough to give the Star wars folks a gighting chance but not a chance of victory, while the strongest of the masters and the lords would make the confrontations trivial.

An entity like Darth NIhilus would consume the life of any ship in the star trek universe that dared confront him. However he is only one person and limited by both his hunger and that he can ponly be in one place at a time.

Thus while wars might win some battles they would lose the war.

[~ Masamune ~]

Anakin people..ANAKIn!

[Blitzomaru]

What about that species that is stronger than the Borg? From Voyager If they can destroy a borg cube in one hit, imagine what they'do to the SW universe.

[EvilMoogle]

What about that species that is stronger than the Borg? From Voyager If they can destroy a borg cube in one hit, imagine what they'do to the SW universe.
Species 8472; they're not exactly "stronger" than the Borg, it's just they're resistant to assimilation so the Borg isn't exactly sure how to deal with them.

I don't think it'll matter though. A handful of Borg cubes acting intelligently would be enough, they'd be able to hit a signifigant number of unprotected planets before the powerful Jedi could get into position. This would allow the Borg to integrate any Star Wars technologies that are superior to Borg technologies into their equipment.

Even allowing the Super-Sith that would be able to suck the life energy out of a Cube (in theory), the first time it happens they'll adapt their technologies to know that it can happen, and they'll make plans to either escape or attack.

Even in a raw personal fight with individual soldiers the numbers of the Jedi wouldn't be enough to make up for the numbers of the Borg (the "average Borg" from ST has about the same power as the strongest and weakest Borg, it's a narrow range. The "average human" from SW would be worthless in this fight, the extreme upper range that are Jedi/Sith might be useful but now they're facing huge odds).