Muay Thai+ Brazillian Jiu Jitsu Vs any other combination of Martial Arts

[Green Lantern]

Seriously- It seems that the combo of BJJ and Muay Thai is stock standard for when it comes to whipping ass,

So is there any other combination of two martial arts which could beat the BJJ+Muay Thai combo?

(Obviously the combos aren't allowed to have BJJ or Muay Thai :P)

[hjkou]

theres probably some decent combo of different kungfu styles.. kungfu and grappling? i dunno. lol

[John Fuuma]

Judo+SUMO

Imposible to beat (also imposible to use, but what the hell, why not)

[kame-hame-ha]

kickboxing + jeet kune doo
jiu jiutsu + kendo

one of them:P

[CrazyMoronX]

Wrestling + boxing.

It's proven that the top wrestlers kick a lot of ass in MMA as it is. And a world-class boxer would decimate anyone.

[tri-sapphire]

Aikido + Kenpo

defense and reflection/redirection of attacks + style made for severely injuring an opponent.

Of course, it's not so much about style as it is about the speed and strength of the fighters. But both fighters being equal in all ways, I'd have to say Aikido would most likely turn the fight as it uses the opponent's attacks against themselves.

[mank]

Krav Naga+ Jeet Kun Do

[Jedi Mind Tricks]

Wrestling + boxing.

It's proven that the top wrestlers kick a lot of ass in MMA as it is. And a world-class boxer would decimate anyone.

Right on the money, in my opinion.

[Yamato]

Nikolai Valuev

[Nihonjin]

Shaolin Kung Fu + *Forgot the name of the sport where people are able to take ANY hit -_-'*

[Rice Ball]

Does it have to be a real one?

Or can i use Neji's fighting style and say that wins :)

[Weedy]

Chameleon Martial arts(a combo of Jujitsu, grappling, kick/thai-boxing and philipino karate) + Tat koon toe(philipino wing chun... kinda)

I know chameleon an my bro knows tat koon toe, and from what i've seen if u combine the two you will be invincible:P

edit: not sure if chameleon is allowed considering that it involves both thai boxing and grappling

[pnoypridz]

gun-jutsu owns all of those

[Weedy]

gun-jutsu owns all of those

cant argue with the logicsmile-big

[Nihonjin]

Krav maga >>>>> Gun Jutsu

[Reznor]

Wrestling + boxing.

It's proven that the top wrestlers kick a lot of ass in MMA as it is. And a world-class boxer would decimate anyone. Jiu Jitsu > Wrestling. Wrestling ends at the pin and a pin is neutral to a Jiu Jitsu user.

The best combo is usually Kick Boxing + Jui Jutsu (usually Brazillian).

[Weedy]

Krav maga >>>>> Gun Jutsu


what is Krav maga

[Pipboy]

Krav Maga: An isreali martial art developed for their military and used by most special forces around the world. It is an more lethal extrapolation of a Russian spec ops martial art called Sambo that was constructed from a variety of arts around the world. It is considerably more lethal than most martial arts as it concentrates on goals rather than means. Moreover it is the most modern martial art, and modern is actually almost always better.

As to a most powerful combination? Krav Maga would be in there as it is a very potent start. I would use Tai Chi Chuan (supreme ultimate fist) as a second part as the perfection of gravity capture and a supplemental setup of debilitating and turning strikes is a great complement to the brutal simplicity of Krav Maga.

So Tai Chi/Krav Maga

Tai Chi Motto, to put what it can do in perspective
"I would rather maim than kill
Hurt than maim
Intimidate than hurt
Avoid than intimidate."

[Reznor]

Tai Chi Motto, to put what it can do in perspective
"I would rather maim than kill
Hurt than maim
Intimidate than hurt
Avoid than intimidate." That philosophy is only good for preventing fights not for dealing with them. Since this is a fight, the philosophy is negated.

[Spacey]

Okay first of all as a martial artist myself, there is only ONE feasable way to really know the outcome of this match. Pick a pair of twins make sure that they start training respective martial arts. Assume that the test period is 6 months during these months the twins should train exactly the same amount of hours sleep the same amount of hours and eat the same things in exact the same quantity everyday and that they are both as healthy as eachother.

Then after 6 months have passed let them fight.

And no I'm not joking, you can't reallly make fights like these in OB and really get any real accurate answer besides how many people here do those exact combinations of martial arts anyhow?

[Pipboy]

That philosophy is only good for preventing fights not for dealing with them. Since this is a fight, the philosophy is negated.

You missed the point of the quote. Its not to say that Tai chi is about conflict avoidance, which it is, like most every other codified spiritual martial art, and many of the practicals. Its that the tai chi comes with all the tools to kill and maim, hence the desire to avoid them.

For example here is a quote about some strikes that come from Tai Chi, this combination being incredibly lethal.

P-6= pericarium 6 (on the inside of the wrist)
St-9= Stomach-9 ( on the side of the neck)


If we hit P-6 first as a set up point it makes St-9 which is the the main strike have an even more deadly effect. However Stomach 9 works by itself whether we use a set up point first or not. A strike to P-6 will be hitting the medial nerve which will cause the arm to go numb and weak, a nauseas feeling in the gut and a shock to the bodies whole nervous system causing the heart to beat erratically and the person to become mentally and physically weak and unstable.

The strike to St-9 will have an even more serious effect and its use is only for when your life is in danger. This point is right on top of the vegas nerve, the cartoid artery and the carotid sinus. Even a light strike in this area will cause knock out straight away because the carotid sinus reflex controls the blood pressure to the head. Striking the carotid sinus sends a signal to the heart via the vegas nerve to slow down, blood pressure drops and the opponent faints. If this point is hit to hard the heart will stop and the opponent will die.

[BattousaiMS]

Shaolin Kempo + Aikido
Shaolin Kung-Fu + Aikido

Muay Tai and Brazilian Jujitsu is a great combination but Shaolin Kempo and Shaolin Kung-Fu attacks are much faster and in some case more powerful (especially Shaolin Kempo) add Aikido to either of then and it's game over since Aikido not only uses your own attack force against you it has techniques that can snap your bones with a hit (yes, people even though Steven Segal's attackin movies seem surreal and easy to counter they really are not, for one it is Segal who is slow and not the Aikido style).

[Pipboy]

Shaolin Kempo + Aikido
Shaolin Kung-Fu + Aikido

Muay Tai and Brazilian Jujitsu is a great combination but Shaolin Kempo and Shaolin Kung-Fu attacks are much faster and in some case more powerful (especially Shaolin Kempo) add Aikido to either of then and it's game over since Aikido not only uses your own attack force against you it has techniques that can snap your bones with a hit (yes, people even though Steven Segal's attackin movies seem surreal and easy to counter they really are not, for one it is Segal who is slow and not the Aikido style).


I would avoid Aikido, there are better choices. The art though it excels at taking on unskilled opponents without hurting them is mostly worthless against a comparably trained opponent as offense trumps defense.

As for shaolin kung fu, much of the strikes are impractical and esoteric, Kyoshinkai Karate would be a better substitute as there is a greater mechanical efficiency to its strikes and yet it retains that wonderful Hard-soft style.

A word on the modern defensive martial arts. They are not effective in a serious setting and for the most part lose out to harder styles. That is not to say that they aren't good for your cardio vascular system and longevity and promote combat that does send you to jail, but its just not all that good.

For example, while aikido might trip or throw, other martial arts of the soft hard or hard soft style would follow up with a throat crushing knife hand, or reach the throw after a sharp blow to the solar plexus.

T'ai Chi is the exception to the soft rule, as it is actual soft hard.

[Reznor]

And no I'm not joking, you can't reallly make fights like these in OB and really get any real accurate answer besides how many people here do those exact combinations of martial arts anyhow? I had a roommate (that I still know) that was in UFC for a while. I go off mostly what he tells me.

In anycase, who cares about "accuracy"? We can't discuss fictional match-ups any better.

However, I think the biggest bias....
You missed the point of the quote. Its not to say that Tai chi is about conflict avoidance, which it is, like most every other codified spiritual martial art, and many of the practicals. Its that the tai chi comes with all the tools to kill and maim, hence the desire to avoid them. ....is how good the style sounds. My point in saying that was that talking about the philosophy introduces only a bias, not actual data.

[BattousaiMS]

I would avoid Aikido, there are better choices. The art though it excels at taking on unskilled opponents without hurting them is mostly worthless against a comparably trained opponent as offense trumps defense.

As for shaolin kung fu, much of the strikes are impractical and esoteric, Kyoshinkai Karate would be a better substitute as there is a greater mechanical efficiency to its strikes and yet it retains that wonderful Hard-soft style.

A word on the modern defensive martial arts. They are not effective in a serious setting and for the most part lose out to harder styles. That is not to say that they aren't good for your cardio vascular system and longevity and promote combat that does send you to jail, but its just not all that good.

For example, while aikido might trip or throw, other martial arts of the soft hard or hard soft style would follow up with a throat crushing knife hand, or reach the throw after a sharp blow to the solar plexus.

T'ai Chi is the exception to the soft rule, as it is actual soft hard.

Erm what are you talking about? Aikido not only involves making your opponant with their own force but also breaking bones and stuff. Since when Aikido wasn't effective against other martial arts? The combination of Aikido and shaolin kempo gives you a balance between hard and fast attacks. You start with kempo (the best thing about shaolin kempo is that it has the best of kung fu and karate and the its are fast) and when you see a big opening go with a aikido bone breaker attack and juggle the combo, making your opponant confuse and hard to counter since he wouldn't know when to block and when to counter.

[Pipboy]

Erm what are you talking about? Aikido not only involves making your opponant with their own force but also breaking bones and stuff. Since when Aikido wasn't effective against other martial arts? The combination of Aikido and shaolin kempo gives you a balance between hard and fast attacks. You start with kempo (the best thing about shaolin kempo is that it has the best of kung fu and karate and the its are fast) and when you see a big opening go with a aikido bone breaker attack and juggle the combo, making your opponant confuse and hard to counter since he wouldn't know when to block and when to counter.

Because Aikido sacrifices things that other martial arts do not. It is a delibrate reduction of potency by ommisson of strikes from the martial vocabulary. While it is indeed true that Aikido has holds and wrenches that destroy flesh and bone they are limited when compared to an art that has no limitations on it. Krav Maga for example uses much of the same grips, holds and take downs as aikido but it nveer forgets the usage of strike and quick crippling blows.

As for Shaolin Kung Fu, it is incredibly stylized and brings nothing special to the table in terms of its striking power. A more modern striking martial art provides better more efficient movements and more advanced combinations. Jeet Kun Do, Kyoshinkai, Muay Thai and even Kickboxing proves to be better at these goals.

I included Tai Chi in my descripition despite its ancient manner because it brings things (meridian strikes) that no modern art broaches as to the immense risk involved with the learning and the sticky legal issues involved with the success.

There is a reason why an aikido master or a kung fu master never and rarely, respectively, finds themselves a K1 victor.

[iaido]

It depends on the fighter. A good fighter can make most styles work. I'm also presuming it to be unarmed conflict.

Sambo + Boxing + Kyokushin or TKD
Judo + Wrestling + Boxing + Kyokushin

They would match up well against a pure MT/BJJ guy. But it would boil down to who's just better.

Krav Maga is pretty bad. It's good for what it was designed to do, a quick two week program will make you somewhat competent in limited situations.

Judo has many of the same submissions as BJJ, it's just that most judo schools don't focus so much on newaza as tournament rules are designed that way and many BJJ schools are weak in takedowns in comparison to wrestling and judo for the same reasons. However, may wrestlers who have a good submission defense resort to ground and pound anyway.

It's very difficult for a BJJ guy, even top black belts, to take down a very good wrestler such as Dan Henderson. There are exceptions against wrestlers as Tito was taken down in Abu Dhabi, but I don't ever consider him to be an Olympic level guy like Henderson. BJJ guys have to play guard against an Olympic medalist which suits both parties just fine.

Modern sambo integrates traditional Russian wrestling, Greco (Russians are famous for their greco), and judo.

I'm a big fan of the fantastic five.

Muay Thai
Wrestling
BJJ
Judo
Boxing

Sambo is kinda like a combination between wrestling and judo and they have a pretty good submission cirriculum. Some TMA are good base arts to start from or to cross-train in but they will never do by themselves, which is why it's called MMA. St. Pierre, Takanori Gomi, BJ Penn (although he has a BJJ base, he did TKD as a kid), Fedor, Wanderlei Silva, and Shogun have all trained in TKD or kyokushin at one point or another. Chute Boxe's muay thai trainers have a very strong background in TKD. But like I've said, they NEED to be mixed with muay thai and boxing to have decent stand up.

[Edit]

I forgot Shooto. But I won't list it as it's basically a MMA style of fighting.

[iaido]

Shaolin Kempo + Aikido
Shaolin Kung-Fu + Aikido

Muay Tai and Brazilian Jujitsu is a great combination but Shaolin Kempo and Shaolin Kung-Fu attacks are much faster and in some case more powerful (especially Shaolin Kempo) add Aikido to either of then and it's game over since Aikido not only uses your own attack force against you it has techniques that can snap your bones with a hit (yes, people even though Steven Segal's attackin movies seem surreal and easy to counter they really are not, for one it is Segal who is slow and not the Aikido style).
I'm going to be nice. You're wrong.

Aikido and Shaolin kempo = ineffective.
But w/ cross-training, they can work, especially if the aikido is directly from Morihei Ueshiba.

As far as speed and power in an art, how do you judge that? I can name some MMA guys who are faster than most people. Want speed? Watch a Sugar Ray fight. Watch the Hayato Mach Sakurai vs. Takanori Gomi fight.

Just because you can punch 7 times a second doesn't mean anything, you get no power with that. A shin kick to the head will KUTFO.

Snapping bones with a hit :doh Yeah, I guess if you hit hard enough. Looks like someone bought a meal at a McDojo. To break a bone, you need a powerful strike with your whole behind it. It's easier with grappling with locks and submission moves.

[Pipboy]

iaido, I agree whole heartedly with most everything you say except the Krav Maga, like sambo it has multiple levels of teaching, correspondent to the arena it is to be used in. I personally would prefer to use a slight varient of Kyoshinkai as its strikes are very efficient, and its hold short and brutal.

Me I have always wondered how good Muay Thai actually is. Alot of the greats practice it, but then when you think about the number of people that start off learning the style the number of solid professionals seems suspect. What if that person had learned something else instead. Its like how many great baseball players come out of the dominican republic, there aren't that many people on the island but it is like a national religion, thus everyone even the guy who under other circumstances might have become a banker goes into baseball.

Anyways, I have long tried to balance hte loathing I feel for Krav Maga with the actual respect I feel it deserves.

One last point, if you would clarify whether this is a victory contest or a lethality contest. In the case of the latter I will stand behind the Tai Chi/Kyoushinkai or krav maga combo, in the former I am not sure.

[K I S K E]

Shotokhan + Shaolin Gung-Gu + Tae Kwan Do. That seems pretty mean in my opinion....

[iaido]

iaido, I agree whole heartedly with most everything you say except the Krav Maga, like sambo it has multiple levels of teaching, correspondent to the arena it is to be used in. I personally would prefer to use a slight varient of Kyoshinkai as its strikes are very efficient, and its hold short and brutal.

Me I have always wondered how good Muay Thai actually is. Alot of the greats practice it, but then when you think about the number of people that start off learning the style the number of solid professionals seems suspect. What if that person had learned something else instead. Its like how many great baseball players come out of the dominican republic, there aren't that many people on the island but it is like a national religion, thus everyone even the guy who under other circumstances might have become a banker goes into baseball.

Anyways, I have long tried to balance hte loathing I feel for Krav Maga with the actual respect I feel it deserves.

One last point, if you would clarify whether this is a victory contest or a lethality contest. In the case of the latter I will stand behind the Tai Chi/Kyoushinkai or krav maga combo, in the former I am not sure.
I'l'l admit my experience with krav maga is just with talking with military personnel. They rather much prefer a very simplified variation of judo, BJJ, and boxing.

[Green Lantern]

Remember this is in the context of an MMA setting, not in terms of real fighting.

And also its a combo of TWO martial arts, not three or four or a hundred :P

[iaido]

Remember this is in the context of an MMA setting, not in terms of real fighting.

And also its a combo of TWO martial arts, not three or four or a hundred :P
If that's the case...

Sambo & San Shou