Steven Segal Vs Chuck Norris in Hand to Hand (Not a joke thread)

[Green Lantern]

Realistically- Chuck Norris and Steven Segal fight each other, No Holds Barred, who would win?

(Both are in their prime of course)

[Rice Ball]

Steven Segal

No real contest. He has only ever died once, and it wasn't even confirmed.
(Also Chuck Norris is very much overrated, hes a not bad actor but very medioca at fighting)

[martryn]

Chuck Norris has some credentials, but I'm going to go with Stevey. My little brother started aikido, and it seems like it kicks ass.

[ydraliskos]

He has only ever died once, and it wasn't even confirmed.


I beg your pardon? typo? or they wished him back with the dragonballs?

[Asmodeus]

Chuck Norris has a name for himself (and a rabid internet cult following), but Segal is very good with Aikido, which, unlike forms of Karate and Tae Kwon do, is a very practical martial art. I'd give this to Segal, because Aikido is pretty brutal when executed (not quite so much neck snapping, though....)

[Rice Ball]

I beg your pardon? typo? or they wished him back with the dragonballs?

I was joking :)
I mean be died in the Film Executive Decision.

[~ Masamune ~]

Dunno..Wasn't Steven Seagal listed as a master (7th or something?). He got some moves indeed,but..hmmmm tough call

Steven Seagal.

[ydraliskos]

I was joking :)
I mean be died in the Film Executive Decision.


Quite a double take you had me doing, back there :p

read read read read read whatthefuck? goes back... read read .. eh? ...

[hjkou]

according to a few martial arts masters, at a professional level.. aikido gets shat on by the majority of others ;p

[blacklusterseph004]

Apparently, Steven Seagal is the only foreigner to have a successful dojo in Japan. I guess this means he is really good. If it had been current day, I'd go with Seagal. In their prime however, I think that Chuck Norris just about wins this one. For me, having sparred with Bruce Lee counts heavily in his favour...

[Kami-Sama]

"Steven Segal Vs Chuck Norris in Hand to Hand (Not a joke thread)"

i don't know which is harder???

deciding between aikido and whatever chuck norris does...

or take this seriously :P heheeh

[hjkou]

yeah, i had to urge to say steven segal would win cos hes EX-NAVYSEAL BUT NOW A CHEF ON A CRUISE WHICH HAPPENS TO GET ROLLED BY TERRORISTS.

but im not that immature

ps: chuck norris would beat steven segal in an arm wrestle

..without using his arms

LOL

[John Fuuma]

For me, having sparred with Bruce Lee counts heavily in his favour...
He did? I didn't know that *beats head on rock* but anyway....

I vote stephen (Akido is about using your enemies atacks against them. It translates to way of peace. However, who said he has to use Akido?)

[CrazyMoronX]

Steven will win of course.

They both have their credentials, but I'd say in a real fight, Steven could use his martial arts more effectively.

[Shogun]

Steven Seagal, the man is an akido masta and a damn good chef.

[HonkyTonkMan]

CHUCK NORRIS FTW!

[Gunshin]

In a real fight Chuck Norris would make Segal piss in his pants like Gene Lebell did.

Chuck Norris is at a very hugh level of many martial arts. Several forms of karate, JKD, Judo, Brazillian Jiujitsu... the list goes on and on. Segal is the master of a questionable form of martial arts (as far as practicality is concerned). No offense to anyone who primarily trains in Akido (I trained Aikido myself)... its just that I find the sparing system a waste of time (when your partner attempts to throw you, you're suppose to flip yourself) and a lot of the theory is flawed (Aikido idea of how to not compromise your balance).

If people think Segal can whoop Norris, then Segal sure as hell can whoop Bruce Lee. Of course these types of post are usually popularity contest.

[Weedy]

In a real fight Chuck Norris would make Segal piss in his pants like Gene Lebell did.

Chuck Norris is at a very hugh level of many martial arts. Several forms of karate, JKD, Judo, Brazillian Jiujitsu... the list goes on and on. Segal is the master of a questionable form of martial arts (as far as practicality is concerned). No offense to anyone who primarily trains in Akido (I trained Aikido myself)... its just that I find the sparing system a waste of time (when your partner attempts to throw you, you're suppose to flip yourself) and a lot of the theory is flawed (Aikido idea of how to not compromise your balance).

If people think Segal can whoop Norris, then Segal sure as hell can whoop Bruce Lee. Of course these types of post are usually popularity contest.

i agree 100% chuck for the win

[Twizted]

according to a few martial arts masters, at a professional level.. aikido gets shat on by the majority of others ;p

Actually you've got that backwards. Aikido is not a competetive art at all. There are no Aikido tournaments, so unless these masters you speak of fought some Aikido masters in real life, they would have no idea. At the lower levels, Aikido is crap. It requires alot of devotion and years of your life before it really becomes effective. That's due mostly to the fact that there is no sparing in Aikido. I've practiced Aikido for several years and only went from 6th Kyu to 4th Kyu. You don't rank up quickly in Aikido at all. I would rank some Chinese arts above Aikido, but in terms of Japanese or Korean arts, at the upper levels, Aikido is one of, if not the finest.

On the higher levels, Aikido is designed to be a defensive art that allows one person to fight multiple opponents simultaneously.

If you really want to hear what Aikido is all about, look up O-sensei Morihei Ueshiba. I'd put him against anyone back when he was alive.

Steven Segal is indeed a Seventh Dan in Aikido. If you're wondering what that means, in Aikido there are only two belts, White (Kyu) and Black (Dan).
There are 6 degrees of Kyu, 6th being the worst and 1st being the best. There are 9 degrees in Dan, 1 being the worst and 9 being the best. Usually anyone over 3rd Dan in Aikido we consider a master. That makes Segal an Aikido master.

Long story short, while Norris is a great fighter, in actuality he would most likely lose in a fight with Segal back before he developed his massive gut.

[martryn]

Chuck Norris is at a very hugh level of many martial arts. Several forms of karate, JKD, Judo, Brazillian Jiujitsu... the list goes on and on. Segal is the master of a questionable form of martial arts (as far as practicality is concerned). No offense to anyone who primarily trains in Akido (I trained Aikido myself)... its just that I find the sparing system a waste of time (when your partner attempts to throw you, you're suppose to flip yourself) and a lot of the theory is flawed (Aikido idea of how to not compromise your balance).

I change my vote to Chuck. I knew Chuck was good, but I didn't know how good Steven was in comparison, so I just assumed he was better. We should all listen to Gunshin and this thread should be summarily closed.

[Twizted]

Segal is the master of a questionable form of martial arts (as far as practicality is concerned). No offense to anyone who primarily trains in Akido (I trained Aikido myself)... its just that I find the sparing system a waste of time (when your partner attempts to throw you, you're suppose to flip yourself) and a lot of the theory is flawed (Aikido idea of how to not compromise your balance).


You're supposed to flip yourself because if you don't your wrist or elbow would break. In real life your opponent would not be flipping themselves, and if they did, then they are on the ground and you are not. In terms of practicality, I concede that it is not very much so at the lower levels because the movements are very precise. One wrong move and you go from a devastating lock to having no effect at all and getting punched in the face. A master however would have no problem with this at all. That's where it would be very practical. Jujutsu or Brazilian Jiujitsu would be significantly more effective at the lower levels, but an Aikido master would beat the shit out of a Jujutsu master etc... I recently just watched a 3rd Dan Aikido master completely embarrass a 4th Dan Jujutsu master. The fight was so one sided it was almost funny.

Like I said--there is no sparring at the lower levels. If you call wrist locks sparring then that's one thing, but I think we can both agree that that isn't true sparring, full contact or otherwise.

[martryn]

ujutsu or Brazilian Jiujitsu would be significantly more effective at the lower levels, but an Aikido master would beat the shit out of a Jujutsu master etc... I recently just watched a 3rd Dan Aikido master completely embarrass a 4th Dan Jujutsu master. The fight was so one sided it was almost funny.

I take offense to that because I've studied some ju-jitsu. I don't know about other styles, but in Kaigan Ryu Ju-Jitsu we study aikido at the higher belts. In fact, isn't aikido just a form of ju-jitsu. I thought aikido was derived from ju-jitsu and is a branch of it.

[Twizted]

I take offense to that because I've studied some ju-jitsu. I don't know about other styles, but in Kaigan Ryu Ju-Jitsu we study aikido at the higher belts. In fact, isn't aikido just a form of ju-jitsu. I thought aikido was derived from ju-jitsu and is a branch of it.

I mean no offense. Aikido was derived from Jujutsu and Jukido as a more effective method of self defense; it focuses more on defense and fluidity as opposed to the more rigid and offensive/grapple style of Jujutsu.

May I ask though, how it was that you "studied aikido at the higher belts?" Do you mean you practiced some Aikido techniques that you thought were at a high level, or do you mean you trained with some Aikido students? If you mean the latter than that Aikido school was a joke, because they don't do the interdisciplinary thing. They're generally very purist and won't practice the more offensive Jujutsu techniques. If you meant the former then do you mean at your higher belts, as in, your brown belts study Aikido? You can practice most Aikido forms in your first year. Aikido techniques aren't ridiculously plentiful. The trick is that they are tough to master. I have no doubt whatsoever that you used some Aikido techniques in Jujutsu, but the problem is that you don't master them. In Jujutsu your end goal was to get someone down so that you can grapple/lock them when they're off their feet. Aikido's goal is to get your opponent dehabilitated as quickly as possible with as little effort as possible.

I meant no slight to Jujutsu, I just mean that when you start getting into Dan levels, Aikido in my experiences is more effective. At lower belts, Jujutsu is waaaaaaay more effective. It pays off much quicker than Aikido. Like I was getting at before; after a year of Aikido, you probably won't have made noticable progress were you to really fight, whereas in Jujutsu you definitely would have learned some useful techniques in a year. It's in those 12th and up years where Aikido becomes the better art. It's just my opinion though. I'm not trying offend anyone.

[Nekko-Sama]

I think I would have to root for Chuck Norris. Personal bias, flip of a coin. The lesser of two evils. Haven't felt this much concern over choosing between two men to win a contest since the last election. Oh :oh wait....

[Yamato]

Well the first one that will pull out a pistol wins.

[Nekko-Sama]

So the match would go to Chuck Norris, because Steve apparently prides himself on being immune to bullets.

[martryn]

May I ask though, how it was that you "studied aikido at the higher belts?" Do you mean you practiced some Aikido techniques that you thought were at a high level, or do you mean you trained with some Aikido students?

I meant that we integrated some of aikido's techniques into the course work for students. My shihan is the head of our style and is a nidan in Takemusu Aikido.

In Jujutsu your end goal was to get someone down so that you can grapple/lock them when they're off their feet. Aikido's goal is to get your opponent dehabilitated as quickly as possible with as little effort as possible.

Well, looking at that, it seems like we were more akin to aikido then. Shihan told us that we were supposed to take the opponent down at the lower belts because it was on the ground where we would have more of a chance to win with the experience we had.

Course, when Shihan developed the system he took from other martial arts he had studied to form what he thought would be the most practical fighting form that still stayed true to the tenets of ju-jitsu.

Kaigan-Ryu Jujitsu, a system Shihan Landolt founded after moving to Arkansas in 1994, is based on the other systems he studied including Aikido, Judo, Samurai, Danzan-Ryu, Okazaki, Small Circle Jujitsu and Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. The art uses the strengths of each system Shihan Landolt has studied, while maintaining tradition and keeping what is practical for self-defense. The Kaigan-Ryu system is complex and very demanding for anyone willing to train in the art. This discipline received national and international recognition in Jujitsu circles in 1998, and the United States Jujitsu Federation (USJJF) for his contributions to the art awarded Shihan Landolt his 5th dan in Kaigan-Ryu Jujitsu. He continued his training and was awarded his 5th dan in United States Jujitsu by the president of the USJJF Shihan Bruce Bethers personally, after witnessing the system firsthand through a seminar. During the August 2004 AJJA Summer Camp, with many schools from around the state in attendance, Glen Landolt was awarded his 6th dan after being tested by Professor T.R. McClanahan. During his 30 years of training he has achieved ranks in many arts the highest being 4th dan in Kodokan Judo, Okazaki Jujitsu and 6th dan in and Kaigan-Ryu Jujitsu.

[Twizted]

I meant that we integrated some of aikido's techniques into the course work for students. My shihan is the head of our style and is a nidan in Takemusu Aikido.



Well, looking at that, it seems like we were more akin to aikido then. Shihan told us that we were supposed to take the opponent down at the lower belts because it was on the ground where we would have more of a chance to win with the experience we had.

Course, when Shihan developed the system he took from other martial arts he had studied to form what he thought would be the most practical fighting form that still stayed true to the tenets of ju-jitsu.

I'm actually quite impressed with that. It sounds an awful lot like Aikido, with the exception of the ground fighting and sparring. But the integration with other arts was a wise thing, especially for beginners. Like I said, a beginner in your art would beat the living snot out of a beginner in mine.

[i_be_ninja_zabusa]

Angels sang out in immaculate Chorus
Down from the Heavens descended Chuck Norris
Who delivered a kick that could shatter your balls
Into the crotch of Steven Segal

Chuck Norris for two reasons one He a TEXAN BABY, that and Steve Sucks