naruto vs. kenshin [Archive]

azuwachan

01-23-2006, 12:00 AM

I don't know if you guys read 'Rurouni Kenshin', but it's one of my favourite manga.
anyway, who do you think is gonna win when naruto vs. kenshin? :)
fr those who doesn't have any idea who's Kenshin, he is acually a legendary batthosai in Edo time. A great samurai.
So I think it'll be interesting when a ninja fights a samurai.
Skills vs skills, shuriken vs sword.
guess who's gonna win :)
hope for your answer :P

Jae StyleS

01-23-2006, 12:12 AM

Kenshin is a Kenjutsu specialist, if he didn't use a reverse bladed katana he could defeat most of his opponents that appeared in Rurouni Kenshin easily.

Naruto >>> Kenshin

Naruto can summon giant frogs, he can create shadow clones of himself, his best technique is Rasengan. If it was like Rock Lee vs. Himura Kenshin it would be like Kenshin >>> Lee.

azuwachan

01-23-2006, 12:19 AM

but, you forgot that kenshin had experiences which would probably help him win against 12-year-old naruto.
and naruto is too emotional, while kenshin is very calm (again, because of his experiences) so how??

sonnie_skies

01-23-2006, 12:52 AM

both are the kind to take hits (unnecessarily) whilst trying to talk some sense into the opponent. since both are good guys, there wouldn't be much to talk about, much less fight about.

Wildfire

01-23-2006, 12:57 AM

I think you posted in the wrong section. =/

"Want to start/join a graphic team? Then come into the Team HQ for rosters."

I think that's what this section is for.

azuwachan

01-23-2006, 01:22 AM

haha!!
I know. sorry =]
I'm a newbie, so dozo yoroshiku!!

Raziel

01-23-2006, 02:30 AM

Even if you're a newbie you can still read the descriptions of each forum IMO.

Dommy

01-23-2006, 05:40 AM

I think this should be in the Outskirts Battledome, right? :huh

Walker

01-23-2006, 10:22 PM

Kenshin would kill Naruto with ease. He is 100x faster than Naruto and also knows one of the deadlyest swordsmen styles.

Gamabunta would just a be a cheap win. But if it was just Naruto vs Kenshin. Kenshin would win.

Gene

01-23-2006, 10:27 PM

Naruto wins easily if he can manage to summon Gamabunta. But let's say for a moment that he can't summon it. Kenshin would win, BUT only against Naruto before the timeskip.

Takuza

01-23-2006, 10:40 PM

Naruto RIGHT before the time skip would also beat kenshin. In ep 133 sasuke MELTED parted of a mountain and evaported half a lake. AND NARUTO WAS UNDAMAGED ( ok, not undamaged, but he was anywhere nere his limit ).also, if rasangean landed on anypart of kenshin, then fight over.

Gene

01-23-2006, 10:50 PM

also, if rasengan landed on anypart of kenshin, then fight over.
If Kenshin's ultimate attack were to land a direct hit, then fight over.

Perfect Moron

01-23-2006, 11:21 PM

mUcHo LoCo

01-23-2006, 11:32 PM

kenshin.... he moves uber fast and could dominate him ez if naruto doesnt use the kyuubi

Shiron

01-23-2006, 11:38 PM

Kenshin... easily. He's faster, and can read Naruto's emotions to basically predict what he's going to do. One ARnH, and it's all over.

Bullet

01-23-2006, 11:57 PM

Kenshin. He has speed and a weapon, with skill.

sapphireninja

01-23-2006, 11:58 PM

why would kenshin fight naruto he's a kid even though naruto is a ninja but still why would kenshin hurt naruto anyway in a battle
hmmmm.....
i say naruto cause he's always seem to find a way he have some advantage

Gene

01-23-2006, 11:58 PM

He's talking about Naruto in kyuubi mode, and I agree with him. If he's with the chakra shield, kenshin is screwed. Without it but still kyuubi, he's probably screwed too. With no kyuubi, Kenshin > Naruto (unless he summons gama)
I know. And if you are up to date with the manga, you know that the kyuubi chakra engulfing Naruto's body hurts him.

Pipboy

01-24-2006, 01:14 AM

~ Masamune ~

01-24-2006, 01:16 AM

If naruto goes kyuubified (four tails,three) he'll def win this one seeing a blade can"t pierce the kyuubi's protective chakra.

lekki

01-24-2006, 08:14 AM

If Kenshin's ultimate attack were to land a direct hit, then fight over.
If Kenshin's attack were to land, Kyuubi would take over and Kenshin would need more than fancy sword skills.:amuse

Perfect Moron

01-24-2006, 08:17 AM

Kenshin while he theoretically could kill naruto with one blow, is more likely not to. All of his moves require proximity. NAruto can basically field an army against him at the time of the chuunin exam. By the end of the arc he has the 1 tailed chakra shield that immunizes him from damage via mundane sources. A single chakra scream would break kenshins godspeed draw. Its not really a fair matchup.

So KEnshin can win IF

Naruto never uses a shadow clone. The one technique he has become fmous for using.

NAruto never summons

NAruto never uses the fundamental abilty of his nature as a vessel.

IT requires massive PIS for this to go kenshins way.

None of that is true if we are talking pre-time skip Naruto.

Hiten Mitsurugi style is made for fighting one against many, and Kenshin is pretty good at it. Kenshin would take out those clones making it look like they really suck... wait, they do.

Naruto can only summon a useless frog, or a frog that would tell him to go screw himself if he wants him to fight kenshin.

Pretime skip Naruto only goes kyuubi if pissed or his life is danger, none of which would happen fighting Kenshin.

Kira Yamato

01-24-2006, 03:20 PM

Naruto is just a more versatile fighter than kenshin. Sure Kenshin is definetly the smarter fighter here, but Naruto has too many things working for him *espcially Kyuubi* >_>

Pipboy

01-24-2006, 05:22 PM

The only person that has ever disregarded naruto's clones is Kimimaro. Who would crush Kenshin like a bug. Kenshin is still mortal and while his style is designed to fight one against many it is not an automatic ticket to victory just because the opponent has more than one incarnation.

Second. This is not pre timeskip/post timeskip its naruto.

Perfect Moron

01-24-2006, 10:46 PM

The only person that has ever disregarded naruto's clones is Kimimaro.

If by Kimimaro you mean Kimimaro, Sasuke, Neji and Zabusa, then, yes.

Who would crush Kenshin like a bug. Kenshin is still mortal and while his style is designed to fight one against many it is not an automatic ticket to victory just because the opponent has more than one incarnation.

But because those "incarnations" have a sloppy fighting style, go poof after one hit, and aren't particularly fast or strong. Face it, they are cannon fodder. The one thing Naruto can do that's guaranteed not to work against Kenshin is Kage Bunshin.

Second. This is not pre timeskip/post timeskip its naruto.

See, this seems to be the issue. You have apparently forgotten I was replying to your previous post, which is why I brought up the Kenshin > clones argument (and not because I think that's a "ticket to victory") and why I was focusing on pre-time skip Naruto, in answer to your claim of his abilities at the end of arc 1 being enough.

But lets talk current Naruto, then.

Has probably gotten faster and less sloppy, but I still have no reason to believe he's fast or skillful enough to give Kenshin trouble (I don't think he's Lee speed yet, and no, "ZoMg he blocked chiyo's punch!!!11one1one" doesn't count).

Still don't see him summon a frog that would aid him in this battle. Maybe he can, but has yet to do it.

Would obliterate Kenshin in Kyuubi mode (pre time skip too), but I still don't see why would he go Kyuubi against him. Sure, he has done it a lot in this arc, but every single time he had reasons to be pissed, which Kenshin wouldn't give him. We don't know yet if he can go Kyuubi at will any time.

To sum it up, if this is with rage on, Naruto goes Kyuubi and Kenshin loses badly. If not, maybe post time skip Naruto can beat Kenshin, hell, it's highly probable, but not with what we've seen so far. Pre time skip Naruto loses.

Pipboy

01-25-2006, 04:07 AM

You appear to have a warped sense of the word disregarded. In every instance you cited the clones advanced some tactical purpose or gained some advantage.

Zabuza, shuruken morph, Neji, the shadow clone got him his first blow, saved him from losing his charkra and won him the fight. Against sasuke he only used clones on the roof. And disregarded they were not. They punted him in the air.

Kimimaro is the only one to ignore them. Kenshin whose abilty to move is completely limited is totally at the naruto's mercy. Take for example, the fact that Naruto doesn't run into melee with an opponent that can kill him easily, as exampled by the neji fight. Moreoverhe is cunning and has more resources.

So I repeat. Naruto would lose this, if he didn't clone, didn't summon and didn't use bijutsu. How does this in any way become a Kenshin victory. Yes he coudl win if we put an anchor around his neck and told him to forget all the lessons that he learned over the course of the manga. To regress naruto to that point makes the entuire matchup worthless as a general comparision.

If you want restrictive conditionals form another thread and we can argue them there. But here. The only thing thats keeping kenshin's head above the water is the coolness factor.

Plot induced stupidity is not a valid arguement. Kenshin yay has sword moves. Naruto summons godzilla sized toad, who drops a typhoon on his ass. Or maybe we should subsitute that for, summons 600 clones and goes ides of march on kenshin. Kenshin can't dodge that well, at least not in the realm of ranged projectiles, and the mass clone shuruken storm would level him.

Post time skip this isn't even a passing challenge. Naruto's speed at creatign duplicates and skill at their use is such that he can use them to absorb blows.

Even neglecting everything else, naruto could charge a rasengan, run right at kenshin, pop a pair of clones to aborb the draw cut, pop another clone to absorb the sheath, pop a clone to block, pop a clone to grab kenshin, then splatter him like a frog in a microwave. HIs speed at creatign duplicates post timeskip is such that he can use them to dodge thrown projectiles in midair, and use them as a combat adjunct.

Long story short. Close but no cigar.

Perfect Moron

01-25-2006, 12:25 PM

I guess you are right about post time skip Naruto (although I don't think he can pop clones while holding a rasengan, but I get your point).

However, I still think pre time skip Naruto loses. Clones can be used to outsmart enemies, my point is, they are not very useful as an army. In every instance I cited they were taken out with ease at the end. Naruto not going Kyuubi, Gamma not helping him, that's not PIS. PIS is when a character can do something to win, and doesn't do it. Here, Naruto can't go Kyuubi, it requires certain emotional conditions, and they aren't met. Gama won't fight Kenshin, he's not what he considers a worthy opponent, and I doubt he'd threaten his children. Banning those things isn't restrictive conditionals, using those things would be a conditional (boy, I like cursive). Admitedly, summoning hundreds of clones would give Naruto the win, but even that is kind of a conditional, since it requires him to tap into Kyuubi chakra, which he only does when protecting his precious people, his nindo, or his life.