Quicksliver and Cyclops Vs The Naruto Verse.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

Everyone in the Naruto verse has been made aware of quicksliver and cyclops coming, 10 seconds in adavnce, they believe it. All villages fight alone, thier is no massive worldly team up.

Who wins?

[CABLE]

Narutoverse no discussion.

[ydraliskos]

How fast exactly is quicksilver? Wasn't some incarnations of him capable of using the speedforce, or am I thinking of another guy...

[Arilou]

Quicksilver is *very* fast.
Not just that, but he *thinks* faster too (there was one scene in a series where he learned how to play the piano in about 10 seconds)

He can run at least three times the speed of sound IIRC. (I believe he *can* run even faster, it's just not a good idea in earth's atmosphere!)

[Chamcham Trigger]

Well with Quicksilver in the equation, it's pretty tough to handle, and Narutoverse no discussion.
Oh ok I'll shut up now.

[Gunslinger37]

dont listen to the guy with a losing team in the championship!!!!! ahahahah UT baby!!!!

[Blitzomaru]

the 616 Marvel universe's Quicksilver only runs and average of 175MPH, which is fast. he does not break the sound barrier. Now, if we're talking Ultimate Universe Quicksliver, that guys is deadly as hell. He ran from the Savage Land (in antarctica) to DC in less than 4 hours. I don't know how long it took, but it was less time than it would've taken the blackbird to get there, which was 4 hours. Also, in the latest issue of the Ultimates, Quicksilver saved the personell on the top 3 floors of SHIELD headquarters in an instant when the building was collasping. That being said, Quicksilver could do this alone by running from village to village suckerpunching ninjas.

[Keyser Söze]

narutoverse wins this. cyclops really isn't all that powerful, and quicksilver, you could probably trip him up.

[Arilou]

the 616 Marvel universe's Quicksilver only runs and average of 175MPH, which is fast. he does not break the sound barrier.

Actually he's been able to run Mach 3, at least when he tries.
As to Cyclops not being powerful.... At full power his blasts basically annihilate anything in front of him... He's *vulnerable* yes, but if he really cuts loose he's also something like a human nuke.

[CABLE]

dont listen to the guy with a losing team in the championship!!!!! ahahahah UT baby!!!!
Whoa! Good one! Really stuck it to me. Faggot.

[CrazyMoronX]

What exactly can Quicksilver do, other than run fast? How is going to hurt the likes of Kimimaro, or Sasori, or even Kisame?

I give it to the Narutoverse. Sasori alone could probably kill these guys. Heck, Sasori can kill everybody ever made in the history or comics, manga, and movies, ALL BY HIMSELF YEAH!

[Gooba]

What exactly can Quicksilver do, other than run fast? How is going to hurt the likes of Kimimaro, or Sasori, or even Kisame?He can punch fast, and since the faster the punch, the more it hurts, he will be hitting like a truck.

Cyclops could just take off his visor, and spin around in circles, taking out everyone in all directions who even tries to get close.

[Arilou]

Teaming up they could be devastating.

Ponder: Cyclops takes of his visor.

Quicksilver runs around with Cyclops.

Can you say fast-moving-machine-of-death?

[Gooba]

^ Now that is some good thinking.

[lekki]

the 616 Marvel universe's Quicksilver only runs and average of 175MPH, which is fast. he does not break the sound barrier. Now, if we're talking Ultimate Universe Quicksliver, that guys is deadly as hell. He ran from the Savage Land (in antarctica) to DC in less than 4 hours. I don't know how long it took, but it was less time than it would've taken the blackbird to get there, which was 4 hours. Also, in the latest issue of the Ultimates, Quicksilver saved the personell on the top 3 floors of SHIELD headquarters in an instant when the building was collasping. That being said, Quicksilver could do this alone by running from village to village suckerpunching ninjas.
Hey Blitz, you're wrong now.

There was a Quicksilver mini-series where he was influenced by Isotope E, that High Evoluntionary stuff and he could break the sound barrier.

He now moves faster the harder he tries. He can also run on water now and he breaks the sound barrier.

And yes, he can move faster than anyone can see.

Nowhere near Flash, but too fast for anyone to react.

And for people saying Cyclops isn't that powerful, extremely wrong.

Writers always try to get it twisted but the creators always insist that Havok and Cyclops have the same destructive capabilities. So if Havok can destroy whole city blocks, so can Cyclops.

The limitation with Cyclops usually is the fact that he wears the visors to shoot controlled blasts but anyone who read the Extreme X-men( I may have gotten this wrong, it's the one where they decide to put their costumes back on) say the scene where Cyclops got mad at the Sentinel that hit him and was trying to destroy the mansion. He took of his shades and Colossus and Wolverine and to wet themselves.

Considering the villages aren't that big, it'll be over in 3 blasts per village IMO.

Plus he's one of the mutants that's in olympic human being condition so it's not like he isn't agile in his own right. He's no ninja but it's not like he'll be a kunai magnet.

With just 10 seconds to spare, only the decent ninjas will be able to be alive i.e. concussions, some limbs gone kinda thing and then Quicksilver is in charge of catching kunais out of the air.

Simply keep the ninjas off balance and that's it.

It's what I think anyway.

Cyclops and Quicksilver can deal with bullets and such, the ninjas can't.

Not that they'll be using bullets, but it's an indication that their reflexes won't be so slow that they won't be able to deal with a few chakra laced surprises..

[Nice Gai]

Quicksilver gets owned by sharingan users or either Gai Sensei and Cyclops is done for he looks at objects and miss. How can you look at something and miss it?

[pnoypridz]

Narutoverse no discussion.

what he said

[Arilou]

You guys underestimate their capabilities if combined.... Seriously quicksilver running around with Cyclops on his back or something would be totally devastating. We're talking nuclear levels of destruction here. And there would be nothing they could do against them.

Cyclops *always* holds back, because he doesen't want to hurt people. (it's something of an issue of his) When he doesen't... Well, things go "Kaboom!"

[korican04]

Tsunande's big slug could probably beat them. Cyclops takes off his visor, blasts it, it turns into a 1000 of those little slugs, spit acid on his head. Quick silver eventually gets tired and falls off a cliff.
They'll take out a good number if they are intending to kill, and cyclops takes the visor off. But unlike superman, thor or juggernaught these guys are still human and a blunt object to the head would kill them.

[Arilou]

When Quicksilver moves faster than any blunt object they could possible wield? It's not as if they can't make hit-and-run attacks rather easily.

[Gooba]

If Slim takes off his visor and just opens his eyes, how will anyone get close enough to hit him? Turning into 1000 slugs won't help, because they will just get owned as well.

[CrazyMoronX]

Are we pretending that Cyclops and Quicksilver have infinite stamina here? There has to be a limit to what they can do.

I think it's possible that, using the 10 seconds of prep-time, the ninjas can hide themselves underground, in trees, around the village, etc... and kill them both from behind, or underneath.

What if Jiraiya puts them in his swamp of the underworld, before Cyclops blasts his head off, or Quicksilver sees him? They sink to their deaths. Ninjas that can walk on anything still sink in it for some reason, there is a theory that is has added ability to trap and suck enemies under. That would do them in.

Assuming Quicksilver has Cyclops on his back, what's to stop the ninja from setting up a garot wire? Quicksilver would run through it, and they'd both be cut in half. They could set up a wire thin enough they wouldn't see it before it's too late.

I see a multitude of ways either team can win, but I am siding with the ninjas.

[Gooba]

If Cyclops is blasting in front of them, like he should be, the wire wouldn't work because it and whatever it was attached to would be destroyed. When they get tired they could run halfway across the planet and hide until they got rested.

[Havoc]

It would be better if it was Quicksilver with Cyclops' power vs. Narutoverse.

[CrazyMoronX]

If Cyclops is blasting in front of them, like he should be, the wire wouldn't work because it and whatever it was attached to would be destroyed. When they get tired they could run halfway across the planet and hide until they got rested.

I suppose, but assuming he doesn't want to waste energy getting there, the scope of the blast would be contained to a certain radius, and the string could be chakra, and thus unbreakable.

Even without the, they could kill the pair before they got to the village.

How? Hiding under ground. Assuming they want to keep walking, Cyclops wouldn't blast the ground in front of him. They could set up various poisonous traps on the ground, and kill Quicksilver at least, sending Cyclops flying off of Quicksilver's back at sonic speeds... possibly to his own demise, or to land on more deadly traps.

[Gooba]

These guys aren't going to just run into traps. Cyclops is a genius strategist and they both have more experiance than the Sannin combined against a variety of enemies the ninjas can't even begin to fathom.

[Nice Gai]

Remember cyclops has 230/230 vision he cannot aim correctly! Thats his flaw! So if they are running with each other straight throught the Naruto verse wouldnt they drust run behind them swiftly. If Gai Opens up some gates then its over! Their best is to tell Cyclops to take of his shades at the entrance to every village and turn around one good time.

[Gooba]

Remember cyclops has 230/230 vision he cannot aim correctly! Thats his flaw! So if they are running with each other straight throught the Naruto verse wouldnt they drust run behind them swiftly. If Gai Opens up some gates then its over! Their best is to tell Cyclops to take of his shades at the entrance to every village and turn around one good time.Actually, part of his power is to be able to aim and ricochet the beam with perfect precision.

[korican04]

I'm sorry but cyclops gets own by a lot of things. He might be the man sometimes but he's still human, so is quicksilver. A knife to the throat would work. There are versatile and many ninja's that will just wait underground or deidara can drop the hbomb on them. And like most mutants they don't have infinite stamina. They can get to him from underground, he won't know they are there until someone pops from behind and shanks him. He doesn't have wolverine healing or invincible skin like supes or juggs.
Quick silver might be a problem, but he still needs to run for him to be affective, unlike the flash who can do about 3000 things with the speed force, quicksilver will have problems if you mess up the ground with a doton jutsu. Quicksilver is fast but he gets tired. Eventually the naruto people will get them.

[Nice Gai]

Cyclops will shoot straight in the air while naruto is right in front of him. Cyclops is cool he always gives me a laugh. Countless times we have seen cyclops miss there should be no accuracy problem!

[CrazyMoronX]

How will they contend with Genjutsu? Gai's fuzzy eyebrows? The Nuclear Explosion of Youth?

[Arilou]

How will anyone have *time* to use genjutsu when there's a Zone of Exploding Death (TM) moving towards you at Mach 3?

Not to mention that both of them have a lot of experience with illusions (Cyclops especially actually)

Quick silver might be a problem, but he still needs to run for him to be affective, unlike the flash who can do about 3000 things with the speed force, quicksilver will have problems if you mess up the ground with a doton jutsu. Quicksilver is fast but he gets tired. Eventually the naruto people will get them.

The thing is.... They don't have to stay *near* them.

They could easily do a "Run across half the US, blast, run back" thing. Quicksilver has been shown to not only be fast enough to do that... But also carry people with him. They have all the time tor rest in the world, should they act to the full extent of their capabilities.

And IIRC, cyclops doesen't actually get tired from using his power. It's technically "on" all the time after all.

[Gooba]

Stamina isn't a problem, because they can run 2000 miles away and rest between each attack.

[Jef88]

Teaming up they could be devastating.

Ponder: Cyclops takes of his visor.

Quicksilver runs around with Cyclops.

Can you say fast-moving-machine-of-death?
great idea :P
i saw cyclops take out a bunch of guys just by taking of glasses
and quicksilver is to fast he could take out alot of people

narutovers is huge but i think they can manage it :amuse

[Havoc]

Quicksilver doesn't even need Cyclops, if he was by himself no one would even know he was coming they'd just see people next to them dying.

[korican04]

As soon as they run away the ninja's can hide also and plan dotons and traps. 2000 miles away would be 3 hrs running for quicksilver at mach 1, say he can go mach 3 that's an hour that the ninjas have to rest and plan plus the time they rest plus the time it takes to run back. When they run back, you can see them coming with scouts and their walky talkies, you can see a plane coming at you from a distance so a guy spitting up dirt behind him wouldn't be hard. The ninja's can be hiding, and then just say they are coming fast. Then boom random jutsu's like poison, dotons, sand traps. Sure almost all weak ass ninjas would die, but quick silver doesn't have broken power speed and random other powers like molecule explosions or time travel like the flash, he gets taken care of buy others in marvel that aren't his speed.

[Havoc]

As soon as they run away the ninja's can hide also and plan dotons and traps. 2000 miles away would be 3 hrs running for quicksilver at mach 1, say he can go mach 3 that's an hour that the ninjas have to rest and plan plus the time they rest plus the time it takes to run back. When they run back, you can see them coming with scouts and their walky talkies, you can see a plane coming at you from a distance a guy spitting up dirt behind him wouldn't be hard. The ninja's can be hiding, and then just say they are coming fast. Then boom random jutsu's like poison, dotons. Sure almost all ninjas would die, but quick silver doesn't have broken power speed and random other powers like molecule explosions or time travel like the flash, he gets taken care of buy others in marvel that aren't his speed.

But the guys in marvel who take him that aren't his speed could also take out a lot of the narutoverse.

[korican04]

But the guys in marvel who take him that aren't his speed could also take out a lot of the narutoverse.
And also a lot that do take him on couldn't.

[Arilou]

When they run back, you can see them coming with scouts and their walky talkies, you can see a plane coming at you from a distance so a guy spitting up dirt behind him wouldn't be hard.

I don't think you understand my proposal.... It was that Quicksilver would carry Cyclops around with his visor removed, kind of like a VERY VERY LARGE blowtorch. Anything in approximately 110 degrees would be smashed into tiny, tiny bits.

The ninja's can be hiding, and then just say they are coming fast.

Hide against a Mach3 wall of DOOM? did you *see* that picture when Cykes took his visor off? Anything even remotely in their path would be destroyed.

Then boom random jutsu's like poison, dotons, sand traps. Sure almost all weak ass ninjas would die, but quick silver doesn't have broken power speed and random other powers like molecule explosions or time travel like the flash, he gets taken care of buy others in marvel that aren't his speed.

They'd have to get close in order to use any of those. Close when there's constantly a guy blasting infite amounts of energy from his eyes. Good luck.

Oh, they *could* win. Just as say, Tsunade could get lucky and Stab superman through the heart with a Chakra scalpel. But it's not *likely*

EDIT: Assuming the Cykes/QS pair uses their powers to their full potential and not just use their usual tactics.

[korican04]

I understand everything that you have said, but i still dont' think that they'll win. That infinite amount of energy gets stopped all the time, so I wouldn't call it that. If the ninjas were all sleeping and didn't know that any of this would be happening then yeah, they would all be snuffed. But prepared, i don't see it.

quicksilver: hey cyclops jump on my back and i'll give you a piggy back.
Cyclops: ok
quicksilver: what's wrong
cyclops: I have a knife in my head, from an invisible ninja that came up behind me.
quicksilver: uhh i better run, later.

i'm actually going to give this to the narutoverse, with about 90% of them dead.

[Arilou]

How would the ninja get behind him again?
When he's 2000 miles away?

Cyclop's energy gets stopped a lot because he doesen't use it to it's full potential. He uses it as a scalpel when he can use it as an ICBM.

[korican04]

i'm not picturing some homoerotic piggy back fight move. I'm picturing what they actually do in comics, and how they fight. I can see them holding their own for a while but eventually they go down. If that's what they are going to do in the fight then so be it or if that's what was intended in the topic, but I can see a cyclops/quicksilver person doing what you are suggesting but not individually.
2000 miles away is a bit of a stretch for me, if it means runnig for two hours for quicksilver with cyclops on his back. Cyclops most likely will probably not be able to breathe from traveling outside at mach 3. Unlike the flash, quicksilver doesn't have a force that he can project on others so they can survive super speed travel.

[Hiruma]

In his own comic Quicksilver could go Mach 10 iirc.

[Arilou]

I'm picturing what they actually do in comics, and how they fight.


Oh, in that case they lose, badly.
Or maybe not, because if they do, the Naruto people will stand around at least 5 minutes blabbering about how good they are, which gives them time to kick the snot out of at least 50% of the Narutoverse :p

[Valdens]

im going to go for the piggy back ride idea.

[Bullet]

narutoverse wins this. cyclops really isn't all that powerful, and quicksilver, you could probably trip him up.

If Cyke let his shades off, half the Naruto verse will be dead.:oh

[Nice Gai]

If there is no piggy backing then its pretty much over for the Naruto verse unless Itachi, Kakashi, or Sasuke uses their Sharingan to copy their speed and style! 10 seconds should be enough! I know there are too many genius in the Narutoverse. Wouldnt Gaara just put up a big desert avalanche and crush them?

[Gooba]

Cyc would blast any attack Gaara did, plus it would be way too slow.

[korican04]

The piggy back fight is a good idea, i'm not picturing quicksilver going for it, maybe northstar lol, but not pietro.

[Gooba]

I have seen him carry people a lot, so why not this time? Plus, they are trying to take out a world after all, so they will probably be willing to do whatever it takes to survive.

[korican04]

I meant to pick on northstar cause he would enjoy it more than quick would with cycolps on his back. Especially if it's going to be for a long period of time.

[Cytrus]

Edo Tensei, nukes, Kyuubi and Doton to disappear deep underground - Narutoverse for the win, even if all non elites die before they realise what is happening.

[Arilou]

They'd have to go *very* far underground.... Cyclops has actually used his blast to carve tunnels through mountains.

[Blitzomaru]

OK kiddos, it's time for a quick comic and physics lesson with uncle Blitzy!! Yay!

First of all, i'd like to say the Narutoverse is screwed. As I said before, Quicksilver (especially the Ultimate universe version, which is the one I'll be using for these examples) could do this on his own. I'm using the ultimate universe version because they actually gave me a speed that he is faster than. The 616 universes QS runs between 200mph and Mach 10, which could be confusing. But before I go into why he wins, lets find out how fast he actually runs by talking planes.

The Sr-71 Blackbird is the fastest air-breathing plane in existence. The fastest plane technically is the X-15 but it has a frigging rocket used for space flight attached to it, so it doesn't really count. THe Sr-71 can fly at Mach 3 for extended periods of time without overheating. The tope speed ever recorded was Mach 3.2, which is 2,372mph. The SR-71's fly at 33 miles per minute or 3,000 feet per second.This is the Sr-71 blackbird:

http://www.wvi.com/%7Esr71webmaster/sr71_20.jpg

Recognize that? That's the same plane those X-men peoples fly around in. That plane is freakin fast, and has many speed records inculding:

o New York to London 1 hr 54 min 56.4 sec.
o London to Los Angeles 3 hrs 47 min 39 sec.
o West Coast to East Coast USA 1 hr 7 min 53.6 sec.
o Los Angeles To Washington D.C. 1 hr 4 min 19.8 sec.
o St Louis To Cincinnati 8 min 31.9 sec.
o Kansas City to Washington D.C. 25 min 58.5 sec.

New York to London (World Record-Speed Over a Recognized Course): Distance: 3,461.53 statute miles...Time: 1hr 54 min 56.4 secs. Average Speed 1,806.95mph.

Now I say all of that because of the next panel

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/blitzomaru/UltXM6_03.jpg

Yes, that's Cyclops saying that Quicksilver is faster than the Blackbird. now, i don't know where in antarctica the savage land is, so I'll just use the south ole. The STRAIGHT LINE distance from the north pole to DC is 8915 miles. if Cyke took the blackbird it would take him about 3.75 hours (3 hours 40 min) to get to DC. It took Pietro less than that to get there,, and I'm prety sure he didn't take any breaks!!! So this shows how fast Pietro is and how he doesn't tire easily.


Next we address the issue of tripping him up. If he is moving at that speed, then he is thinking at that speed. he has to make constant directional changes, so it would be stupid to think that his thought would travel through his brain at the pace of ours. He would be aware of everything around him just as anyone running would be. So he could still fall for a trap, but his reaction time is hundred of times greater than ours, if not thousands. Kunais would not work, as QS outruns bullets at this pace. Next I'll address seeing him in the horizon. This would be pretty hard to do. Thinking in terms of the Sr-71, it moves 33 miles per minute. It the horizon was 33 miles in front of you (which would indicate you are on a very high position) then yes it would take QS a minute to run up to you and sucker punch you with a fist generating more force than a bullet. But realize how far away that is and a erpson's eyesight. Someone like manga spoiler ------> Zetsu might see him coming, but the average ninja wouldn't be able to see him until he was between 5-10 miles away, because he would be far on the horizon to detect. And the smaller an object is, the harder it is to see when it is moving at high speeds. that's why you can see a baseball traveling at 90mph better than a rock moving at the same speed. So even when he got in range for a person to see, he moves so fast that he would have to be closer to appear larger before he was truly seen.

And lastly, I'll address the part about carrying others. As I said in my earlier post, he evacuated the top 3 floors of the Triskelion by himself. That means picking people up, running around corners, up/down stairs, etc. those people didn't get hurt from his running, so I'm guessing the field that protects him from friciton extends to those he carries as well.

Take the hidden leaf village for example, from what we've seen, it does not appear to be over 33 miles in length or width. So if 1 ninja can slauighter his entire clan in one night and not be as fast as QS, it stands to reason that he could do the same thing. Cyke just helps to make it overkill.

Also, I apologize if this comes off snobbish or condescending. i just don't think people have been thinking logically about this battle. I mena, if a bullet can't hit Pietro, what makes them think he'll stand still long enough for eye genjutsu or a kunai?

Also, I apologize for any spelling mistakes. I'm tired!

[CABLE]

I fail to see how 1 omega level mutant and a speedster could beat the whole Narutroverse. You don't think that someone like Jiraiya, Oro, and Tsunade could just summon their biggies and then Cyke's optic blast couldn't effect him. They could just squash him. Then Itachi could use sharingan to track down Pietro as he runs. Then at the right moment break his neck as he runs by.

[pnoypridz]

nice post Blitz but u really shoudnt use Ultimate Quicksilver becasue that guy have alot of contradiction to him. He ran faster than the xmen jet but he coudnt carry captain america more than a couple of miles before tiring out

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/bida_ako/Untitled-Scanned-05.jpg

[K I S K E]

Quick Silver alone. I recall in te Ultimates, he saved SHIELD a number of times, and no one saw it. He isnt on the level of Flash, but he is powerful.

[Arilou]

I fail to see how 1 omega level mutant and a speedster could beat the whole Narutroverse. You don't think that someone like Jiraiya, Oro, and Tsunade could just summon their biggies and then Cyke's optic blast couldn't effect him. They could just squash him. Then Itachi could use sharingan to track down Pietro as he runs. Then at the right moment break his neck as he runs by.

You assume the summons would actually be able to withstand Cyclop's Optic Blasts.

Not exactly a given, here.

Sharingan isn't fool-proof: if you're fast enough it doesen't *matter* that he can predict your moves, because he won't be fast enough to do anything about it.

[Gooba]

You don't think that someone like Jiraiya, Oro, and Tsunade could just summon their biggies and then Cyke's optic blast couldn't effect him.Boss Summons are about as big as a Sentinel, and: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/bida_ako/astonishingx-men00818.jpg

[Blitzomaru]

With the speed QS runs, the only time ninja have to attack him is when he slows down. But with the size of a village, QS could take a sword and decapitate every ninja in the village in probably under 2 minutes.

[Hiruma]

Boss Summons are a non-factor. QS runs up them and Cyclops nails the summoner.