time philosophy

[Ecnafoo]

my friend requested i posted his lifes philosophy on here. so here it is.
Life +time= deathso give me your opinions.

[TheDarkFirefly]

life + sledge hammer in the face = death

[rimpelcut]

life+time=life+time

[CrazyMoronX]

Sounds like a real spunky kid. Probably emo, is he/she emo? I bet he or she is.

Anyway, the theory is incomplete.

Life + time could mean Life + 30 minutes, thus not always coming out as being equal to death.

[dylec]

Heh, this one is more well-known: Time that's lost can never be found.
So, does that motivate slackers? Nah, I guess not. ;D

[sheshyo]

Time is just an illusion, it doesn't exist.

~Life = Death || Life = ~Death

[mr_shadow]

Time is just an illusion, it doesn't exist.

Wrong. Time is the force in the universe that forces events to take place in a specific sequence. Thats why you dont see shards of glass jumping up from the floor and forming a glass up on the table.

However, mankinds attempts to measure time is arteficial. There is nothing in nature that says a minute HAS to be 1 minute long. Its just something some people decided on long ago that "ok guys, the time that passes between now and.....now is called a minute. Now make all your calendars and stuff after this system"

[rimpelcut]

time is the 4th dimension.

[AestheticizeAnalog]

Wrong. Time is the force in the universe that forces events to take place in a specific sequence. Thats why you dont see shards of glass jumping up from the floor and forming a glass up on the table.

However, mankinds attempts to measure time is arteficial. There is nothing in nature that says a minute HAS to be 1 minute long. Its just something some people decided on long ago that "ok guys, the time that passes between now and.....now is called a minute. Now make all your calendars and stuff after this system"
I agree completely.

[TheDarkFirefly]

the swedish are so smart!! curse you

[L.O.]

life + age or sickness or accident = death

[Raistlin-sama]

To the OP, how can you even call this kind of thing, philosophy?

[Paracetamol Boy]

Time is another dimension in which we exist. This being said, I just confused the hell out of myself. I'm leaning towards disagreeing with life + time = death though.

[princesstaco]

You could just as easily say 'life + time = more life'

People have babies all the time.


well, you know what I mean.

[ThrawnReborn]

Life can not exist without time (at least I think so,) so the equation is fundamentally flawed. Life = f(time). At some time t= t(f), The value of Life falls below zero. You can consider this death.

[John Fuuma]

life+time=memory

life-time=death

This is one of the few problems though, that I don't think I can solve with math.

[Insipidipity]

Wrong. Time is the force in the universe that forces events to take place in a specific sequence. Thats why you dont see shards of glass jumping up from the floor and forming a glass up on the table.

However, mankinds attempts to measure time is arteficial. There is nothing in nature that says a minute HAS to be 1 minute long. Its just something some people decided on long ago that "ok guys, the time that passes between now and.....now is called a minute. Now make all your calendars and stuff after this system"
I'd say time is just a way to interpret change. However, everything changes according to the laws that govern physics. Notice an important thing about our measurements of time is that we measure how things change. First we measured the change in position of the earth relative the sun, currently we measure seconds by the frequency of change in a certain type of atom.

I beleive just exists in a continuous form that can extend infinitely in either direction. Change happens in a certain way because we happen in a certain way. But essentially, if our brains had their chemical reactions reversed, we'd see the world in reverse. So in terms of time travel, the only way to do that would be to somehow keep a part of our brains independent yet cause something to emulate every reaction with it then replace it at an earlier time. Of course, this is impossible, so we can't time travel since we don't know the mechanism for reversing reactions.
When things travel near the speed of light, time bends so that changes occur differently from our perception

I don't know, but I think I described 2 different philosophies of time pretending they were one(1 being that its juts the natural system of change, and 2 being that its a dimension of sorts that we only experience one way because of how we move through it.

[Beren]

I dun think life was meant to be summed up so simply...

anyhow, Einstein only mentioned "time as the fourth dimension" when asked to describe it to lay-people through the media; the real scientific concept of time is much more complex.

There is this emerging theory that is gaining credibility that our universe is "holographic" and actualy 2-dimensional. The observances of the 3rd and "4th" dimensions are actually illusions like a holograph (this is the easiest way to describe it since it involves string theory and relativity, Im guessin)

Philosophically... time is a constant, our attempts to measure it are artificial (I think its in "Inherit the Wind", the book). However, as science becomes more advanced, I think we can potentially do away with these artificial measurements and use fundamentals of our universe like the concept of "Planck time". Of course, by then we can define time fundamentally and physically... not that we will since it would be tedious to change all of history for that. Nonetheless, we might be able to define time physically in the future!

[kapsi]

The second is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom.

uh what?

[Beren]

That is just part of practical application of atomic vibration to accurately measure time with atomic clocks. It is just defining the second (an artificial concept) in terms of physical forces... doesn't make time any more objective

However, if u believe in Big Bang, cesium wasn't even around before stellar novas after stars formed (proven fact). Thus, a truly physical measurement of time would go into the very fundamentals of physics and theory... planck-measurements

[rimpelcut]

I don't get how you can measure "real" time. it's like a measurement.
yo beren you can put the smart-people explonation in these sections. It is philosophy after all. No point of saying something without explaining it.
You do understand all of these things no?

[Beren]

Well, we measure time saying... one day is one revolution of the earth, one year is one circle around the sun, 24 hours in day, 360 seconds in an hour. This system is completely arbitrary, but it works well for us since we live on the planet spinning around the sun... but what about time before the sun was even formed. How then do we measure time?

There are supposedly constants in physics that will allow us to define "time" from the big bang to the end of the universe based on how matter and energy interact

[kapsi]

Did time exist in the extreme near of big bang?

[rimpelcut]

but it will be still just a relative measurement so time exists but it's essence remains elusive.

[Beren]

Different scientists might tell u different things... but I'd imagine time existed since the big bang... otherwise how could we get from there to where we are now?

As to regarding how time passed when the big bang occurred... that is really anyone's guess

[rimpelcut]

Ow I get it, scientists want to find the fundemental thing that makes existance tick and use that as the definition of time. Only the problem is that the time for that fundamental tick to occur can be called 100 hours or 1 second. that is where I'm getting at but yeah you could say that everything in the universe is that old because that is how many times the clock goes "tick".

[Beren]

Lol, sorry I am not very good at wording complex concepts

[kapsi]

but it will be still just a relative measurement so time exists but it's essence remains elusive.
Time dualism? From what I read time is just a concept, it doesn't exist in the most common sense.

[Beren]

not necessarily... look up "planck-time" under www.wikipedia.com

all "planck measurements" are formed from constants in the universe and natural units...

[kapsi]

The alpha constant didn't necesarilly always have the same value, what about Planck's constant?

[rimpelcut]

yeah I got ya beren, that is what I meant. But the smallest posible piece of time can be defided into 1 milion sections. That is why time is "elusive"

[Beren]

alpha constant? Im pretty sure thats non-existent... scientists use greek and latin letters to represent values; alpha in astronomy could be very different than alpha in nuclear physics. Is that what ur talkin about? cuz the numbers are still the same, it just depends what character u want to represent them by.

The key is "natural units". Pounds, volts, feet are human inventions... planck measurements define length and time using things that occur naturally. But for scientists to use planck measurements... they convert them back into seconds, meters, etc. to plug into equations we have right now

[kapsi]

fine-structure constant

[Yasha]

Life + Time = Death (1)
Life - Soul = Death (2)

(1) - (2), we get

Time + Soul = 0
Soul = - Time

:amazed I found negative time! XD

[Rotc Girl]

Isn't Planck's constant the amount of energy required to make an electron move up by one energy level,and if the electron moves back to it's original level, the amount of energy given off.

If you approach the sun, or a black whole, time will slow down due to the intense gravity. Time and light are both affected by gravity, just in different ways. Motion also affects the passage of time, as you approach the speed of light, time will slow, and theoreticaly stop, whe you hit the speed of light. That is why light can be seen as ageless, no time has passed since the big bang from the lights perspective.
Relativity is so much fun.

Can someone answer this burning question:
If I shoot a rocket "straight"up, will it hit something at the end of the universe, come back on the other side of the earth, or just disappear? (assuming there aren't any planets in the way)

[Yasha]

Yes, Relativity is indeed very fun. The time dilation effect due to motion is relative, which means that when two persons are in relative motion at enormous speed, one can see the time of another person slowing down. This may cause a lot of confusion--if A sees that B's time is slower and B sees that A's time is slower, which time is actually the slower one? But this question is invalid by itself because according to the theory of Relativity there is no absolute time but only relative times based on different reference frames and all times are correct in their own particular frames of reference. What am I talking about in a manga forum anyway? XDDD

[rimpelcut]

something I want to think about in the future is this relativity and speed of light. Light does not follow time. interesting indeed.

[Reznor]

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[hesd]

'Time', especially the Western notion of time, is basically a social construct. Precision in measuring 'time' only became salient around the time when capitalism is being institutionalised (since production is also a function of time).Every society has different conception of what time is--non-mechanical, activity-relative, cycle-relative, etc. Therefore, peope experience and treat time--the past, present and future--in surprisingly diverse ways.


Anyhow: life+time-Jesus = life unfulfiled

[Raistlin-sama]

Time, does not exists as a "length", like the 3 dimensions. It is simply an order of moments. Imagine it like an infinite line of moments (a bit like how there is an infinite amount of numbers, next to each other on an infinite line, if we take all mathematical numbers on a line. And yes I suck at describing mathematics in English...).

It obviously doesn't have to be like that, but it's one line of thought.

[Nekko-Sama]

Death = Life/Time(experience)-Energy(time)

[makeoutparadise2]

is not time just a Idea a Illution that works to keep us organized

[rizahatake]

Can you tell your friend to explain this futher?

[Medea]

Time is the a priori formal condition of all appearances in general. It's the subjective condition of human intuition.

Kudos if you know where that comes from.

[Heldensheld]

Wrong. Time is the force in the universe that forces events to take place in a specific sequence. Thats why you dont see shards of glass jumping up from the floor and forming a glass up on the table.

However, mankinds attempts to measure time is arteficial. There is nothing in nature that says a minute HAS to be 1 minute long. Its just something some people decided on long ago that "ok guys, the time that passes between now and.....now is called a minute. Now make all your calendars and stuff after this system"

Well said.

[Ecnafoo]

Can you tell your friend to explain this futher?
whatcah need explained?

[Yasha]

Wrong. Time is the force in the universe that forces events to take place in a specific sequence. Thats why you dont see shards of glass jumping up from the floor and forming a glass up on the table.


Yeah, it is called the second law of thermodynamics: Entropy is increasing with time. This law has pretty much defined the direction of time and therefore time is not something symmetrical in the sense that we can go back in time without violating the normal laws of nature.

[petersellers]

try this one out:life-time=nonexistence.

[ShadowHokage]

try this one out:life-time=nonexistence.

Haha...Agreed.