Destiny

[sunj01]

:amuse hi im sunj01 and i believe in Destiny, there are alot of thing 2 say about Destiny. I believe in Destiny and i wont 2 know if u do 2 and wat u think of Destiny:amuse

[rimpelcut]

except for the poll this thread already exists. on the same page

[sunj01]

ooooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[AestheticizeAnalog]

I believe in destiny to a certain extent however that destiny is fully dependant on the decisions that a person makes. If a person takes one path they will have one destiny and if they take a separate path there destiny will differ.

[sunj01]

:amazed i see that is so deep:amazed

[rimpelcut]

I believe in destiny to a certain extent however that destiny is fully dependant on the decisions that a person makes. If a person takes one path they will have one destiny and if they take a separate path there destiny will differ.

destiny is made by the choices you make in life so if you take one or the other path your destiny has that choice already included. also if you knew your destiny it's the same because the choices you make depending on that knowledge is incorparated in your destiny. So you can see the future and change it but not your destiny. Ofcourse if you think of that every choice you make gives another past you can say that every step you take your destiny changes but the final destiny will always be the same.

[sunj01]

that is so true

[ThrawnReborn]

I don't believe in destiny. I believe that we will do what we will do, and we have done what we have done. If one could travel along time and see us, they would know what we are going to do. But we are not forced to do that except by ourselves.

[rimpelcut]

that is where the hole thing lies, in the future. Your knowledge will affect the future. If the knowledge does not affect you in any way, the destiny will stay. If by your aquired standards and behaviour etc you do something slightly different the destiny you will see in the future will have those changes included. If you had extra knowledge you would some way or the other use it, how small it may be, you change your destiny without free will. If you delibratly don't change it then it is still not free will because the knowledge has brought you along that path.

[Snoopy]

well i think god has a purpose for everyone

[sunj01]

thats true but wat purpose

[yummysasuke]

I only believe destiny to the extent where you decide it yourself. All things that happen in the end would be the consequence of the your previous actions.

[sharingan_clan213]

This is what i think:

Our destiny si chosen on our birth. It has been decided who we will b, what we will do, where we will go, our name etc. But we make decisions that will fulfill our destiny. If we chose to go to college, then part of my destiny is fulfilled. But it had already been decided that i wil go to college.

[rimpelcut]

so you are saying that your descisions aren't your descisions?

[sunj01]

:huh :huh :huh :huh

[Raistlin-sama]

Well, look at it this way: If we have a free will, and no path is defined for our lives, every choice we make still depends on two things only: Our genes, and the environment in which we grew up. You are born with certain personality characteristics, which are then shaped according to, random events in your childhood and later life. Once you have a certain personality, you will only have one way of coping with a situation. Sure it seems like choices are there, but in the end our personality decides what choice we are going to make. And I can't say that our personality was chosen by us, ourselves.

So in other words, no matter what, we act, not according to our will, but according to what has been shaped to be our "will" through upbringing and our inherent personality (genes).

Do you follow my line of thoughts?

[kapsi]

Well, look at it this way: If we have a free will, and no path is defined for our lives, every choice we make still depends on two things only: Our genes, and the environment in which we grew up. You are born with certain personality characteristics, which are then shaped according to, random events in your childhood and later life. Once you have a certain personality, you will only have one way of coping with a situation. Sure it seems like choices are there, but in the end our personality decides what choice we are going to make. And I can't say that our personality was chosen by us, ourselves.

So in other words, no matter what, we act, not according to our will, but according to what has been shaped to be our "will" through upbringing and our inherent personality (genes).

Do you follow my line of thoughts?
this can be brought down to molecular level

[rimpelcut]

yes people mistake choice with will.

[sunj01]

yes people mistake choice with will.


thats true

[GOD'S BITCH]

Well, look at it this way: If we have a free will, and no path is defined for our lives, every choice we make still depends on two things only: Our genes, and the environment in which we grew up. You are born with certain personality characteristics, which are then shaped according to, random events in your childhood and later life. Once you have a certain personality, you will only have one way of coping with a situation. Sure it seems like choices are there, but in the end our personality decides what choice we are going to make. And I can't say that our personality was chosen by us, ourselves.

So in other words, no matter what, we act, not according to our will, but according to what has been shaped to be our "will" through upbringing and our inherent personality (genes).

Do you follow my line of thoughts?
What you have said basically undermines the meaning of our existence. If we were destined to follow a certain path, then why are we here? whats the purpose in life? To just live life following path that you cannot escape? If you believe in religion, then you have to believe in free will beacuse thats the purpose we were created. To be able to make choices whether good or bad/sin or deed. Otherwise God would have no purpose for a Hell and Heaven. As for your theory on personality, i doubt we only have one way of coping with life's obstacles. Personality is not inherited by random events, but is developed and increasingly changes as we experience certain events.

[mUcHo LoCo]

naw u can always change ur destiny w/ hard work, but if u just give up then ur destiny is set as a loser

[Hellcrow]

I don't beleive in destiny, since I have free will o_O

[rimpelcut]

What you have said basically undermines the meaning of our existence. If we were destined to follow a certain path, then why are we here? whats the purpose in life? To just live life following path that you cannot escape? If you believe in religion, then you have to believe in free will beacuse thats the purpose we were created. To be able to make choices whether good or bad/sin or deed. Otherwise God would have no purpose for a Hell and Heaven. As for your theory on personality, i doubt we only have one way of coping with life's obstacles. Personality is not inherited by random events, but is developed and increasingly changes as we experience certain events.
so To you the meaning of existence is doing what god wants?
Good and bad is for everybody different. If you only have will and not free will it still will lead you to good or bad things. When you see the bad things you might strafe from them and go to good things. Heaven and Hell is inside you for example. If you go against laws of nature you will go to hell, suffering.
When people become irritated depressed etc that is the going against nature. That makes you suffer and go to hell.
If you see god as nature itself, you are god, the apples are god. Then all that you argued would fit. There is somthing that you could call free will but it is not what you think of it to be. Man can with his enhanced intelligence take previous experiences and observe them. But over time this might seem emportant, this creates pride and the "self". From this comes greed, jealousy etc. But opposed to our consciousness that makes us see only one side of the coin, our subconscious sees the world as a bathtub full of connections. It does not see difference betweeen a apple and a tree, everything is equal for it. Therefore in your consciousness you might get the idea that you are one thing and the other is something different and that is why you see "free" will. But in reality the observer is the observed. The eyes do not see, the picture gives you sight and vica versa....

[sunj01]

so To you the meaning of existence is doing what god wants?
Good and bad is for everybody different. If you only have will and not free will it still will lead you to good or bad things. When you see the bad things you might strafe from them and go to good things. Heaven and Hell is inside you for example. If you go against laws of nature you will go to hell, suffering.
When people become irritated depressed etc that is the going against nature. That makes you suffer and go to hell.
If you see god as nature itself, you are god, the apples are god. Then all that you argued would fit. There is somthing that you could call free will but it is not what you think of it to be. Man can with his enhanced intelligence take previous experiences and observe them. But over time this might seem emportant, this creates pride and the "self". From this comes greed, jealousy etc. But opposed to our consciousness that makes us see only one side of the coin, our subconscious sees the world as a bathtub full of connections. It does not see difference betweeen a apple and a tree, everything is equal for it. Therefore in your consciousness you might get the idea that you are one thing and the other is something different and that is why you see "free" will. But in reality the observer is the observed. The eyes do not see, the picture gives you sight and vica versa....


:oh some of that is a bit true and some is not:oh

[Raistlin-sama]

What you have said basically undermines the meaning of our existence. If we were destined to follow a certain path, then why are we here? whats the purpose in life? To just live life following path that you cannot escape? If you believe in religion, then you have to believe in free will beacuse thats the purpose we were created. To be able to make choices whether good or bad/sin or deed. Otherwise God would have no purpose for a Hell and Heaven. As for your theory on personality, i doubt we only have one way of coping with life's obstacles. Personality is not inherited by random events, but is developed and increasingly changes as we experience certain events.

Certain events=random events. If they are not random, someone have decided them, meaning that fate exists in the traditional sense of the word.

Personality=genes+events in your life.

Both things, something which you do not control. Personality decides what choices we make. One specific personality, will make one specific choice in a certain situation. I'm not saying that fate is absolute, or even exists in the traditional sense of the word, I'm just pointing out that what we call "free will" is not something which we can actually influence, and it therefore isn't entirely free. This of course also comes down to the subject of who is "I"? Because if our personality is "us", you could say that "we" decide things, but the point still stands: "We" did not chose "our" personality.

naw u can always change ur destiny w/ hard work, but if u just give up then ur destiny is set as a loser
Whether you give up or work hard is also determined by your personality, refer to what I wrote above.

[GOD'S BITCH]

so To you the meaning of existence is doing what god wants?
Good and bad is for everybody different. If you only have will and not free will it still will lead you to good or bad things. When you see the bad things you might strafe from them and go to good things. Heaven and Hell is inside you for example. If you go against laws of nature you will go to hell, suffering.
When people become irritated depressed etc that is the going against nature. That makes you suffer and go to hell.
If you see god as nature itself, you are god, the apples are god. Then all that you argued would fit. There is somthing that you could call free will but it is not what you think of it to be. Man can with his enhanced intelligence take previous experiences and observe them. But over time this might seem emportant, this creates pride and the "self". From this comes greed, jealousy etc. But opposed to our consciousness that makes us see only one side of the coin, our subconscious sees the world as a bathtub full of connections. It does not see difference betweeen a apple and a tree, everything is equal for it. Therefore in your consciousness you might get the idea that you are one thing and the other is something different and that is why you see "free" will. But in reality the observer is the observed. The eyes do not see, the picture gives you sight and vica versa....
Yes, to me the meaning of existence is to do everything God says. If thats not the meaning then what is? Whats the purpose of Religion? Good and bad is not different in terms of religion. The bible, quran, etc has a set of morals that we should all follow~it distinguishes between right and wrong. I dont think being depressed or irritated will make you go to hell since those feelings are natural and are associated with life. Sometimes we cannot control our emotions. We are abserved and judged by god.

[GOD'S BITCH]

Certain events=random events. If they are not random, someone have decided them, meaning that fate exists in the traditional sense of the word.

Personality=genes+events in your life.

Both things, something which you do not control. Personality decides what choices we make. One specific personality, will make one specific choice in a certain situation. I'm not saying that fate is absolute, or even exists in the traditional sense of the word, I'm just pointing out that what we call "free will" is not something which we can actually influence, and it therefore isn't entirely free. This of course also comes down to the subject of who is "I"? Because if our personality is "us", you could say that "we" decide things, but the point still stands: "We" did not chose "our" personality.


Whether you give up or work hard is also determined by your personality, refer to what I wrote above.
Events are sometimes random, but they also could be inevitable or obvious. Most of the time you are in control with the events that occur in your life. The grades you get in school, the job you get, etc are determined by your own actions. The only thing that you do not control is nature. You have no control over Hurricanes or any other natural disasters. We obviously don't create our own personalities. Our personalities are shaped by our experiences and by those around us. It has nothing to do with genes. Personality is not inherited but is developed and changes time to time.

[rimpelcut]

:oh some of that is a bit true and some is not:oh

So is the rest true true or not true?

Events are sometimes random, but they also could be inevitable or obvious. Most of the time you are in control with the events that occur in your life. The grades you get in school, the job you get, etc are determined by your own actions. The only thing that you do not control is nature. You have no control over Hurricanes or.
You do not look deep enough. The point is you work harder because of .... and you work less because of .... Therefore cha cha cha.

Yes, to me the meaning of existence is to do everything God says. If thats not the meaning then what is? Whats the purpose of Religion? Good and bad is not different in terms of religion. The bible, quran, etc has a set of morals that we should all follow~it distinguishes between right and wrong. I dont think being depressed or irritated will make you go to hell since those feelings are natural and are associated with life. Sometimes we cannot control our emotions. We are abserved and judged by god.
It seems you have failed to grasp my words but whatever.
why do you like the idea of god? do you find meaning of life in god because you cannot find the meaning in life perhaps?
I do not understand these lines, could you refraise them? : "Good and bad is not different in terms of religion. The bible, quran, etc has a set of morals that we should all follow~it distinguishes between right and wrong"

[Sorian]

I believe in destiny but I think we have, lets say 500 destinies. Each decision works our way towards one of those destinies.

[rimpelcut]

there can only be one destiny, thats why it is called destiny.....

[GOD'S BITCH]

So is the rest true true or not true?


You do not look deep enough. The point is you work harder because of .... and you work less because of .... Therefore cha cha cha.


It seems you have failed to grasp my words but whatever.
why do you like the idea of god? do you find meaning of life in god because you cannot find the meaning in life perhaps?
I do not understand these lines, could you refraise them? : "Good and bad is not different in terms of religion. The bible, quran, etc has a set of morals that we should all follow~it distinguishes between right and wrong"
I don't necessarily like the idea of God being the meaning of existence. In fact, I hope that there is no God-No heaven or hell. I even wish Evolution has led to our creation. Even so, religion is all I know. Evolution has yet to truly prove itself so until then I look to God and religion to answer my questions. When I mean good I mean it in terms of deeds and bad as in sins. The bible, quran, torah, etc tells us what we should do(whats good) and what shouldn't do(sins). Your view is too simplistic. You claim that "you work hard to...." That is not always the case. Somethings whether good or bad that occurs in one life may not necessarily be due to what that individual has worked for. It may be due to their interaction with others. For example, a friend died and left you millions of dollars. What did you work for? In short, not everything that occurs to a person is the direct result of their own hardwork.

[GOD'S BITCH]

there can only be one destiny, thats why it is called destiny.....
But many paths or choices you make may lead to a single destiny.

[~Red Mist~]

I believe we make our own paths in life and maybe that's what you'd probably call Destiny, but no one really knows...

[Sorian]

there can only be one destiny, thats why it is called destiny.....

and in the end you will only reach one destiny.

[Laiquelleion]

I believe that destiny is only that which one can make of ones own abilities and the choices one makes. And hence the "Destiny" as in predestined future becomes nothing more than the skills one is borne with.

So if someone would ask me if I believed in destiny ?

I would answer NO.

[GOD'S BITCH]

I believe that destiny is only that which one can make of ones own abilities and the choices one makes. And hence the "Destiny" as in predestined future becomes nothing more than the skills one is borne with.

So if someone would ask me if I believed in destiny ?

I would answer NO.
Skills someone is borne with? Can you name any examples of the skills that we are borne with? Skills and traits are developed as we work and practice the skill. I dont think we were born with genes that enable us to be talented in a particular thing.

[Laiquelleion]

Skills someone is borne with? Can you name any examples of the skills that we are borne with? Skills and traits are developed as we work and practice the skill. I dont think we were born with genes that enable us to be talented in a particular thing.

No matter how much you practice something, there will "always" be somebody who are better than you are in some areas, not because they have put in more effort than you, but because they have it easier with that specific task.

It might be because they are more intelligent than oneself or that they are better with their hands, but that is what I call innate skills. To excell in an area without much effort.

This does not mention the fact that most people with such "skills" are often very interestested in those areas and hence also put alot of effort into it. But the thing is that even without that effort, my belief is that they would still be better.

[GOD'S BITCH]

No matter how much you practice something, there will "always" be somebody who are better than you are in some areas, not because they have put in more effort than you, but because they have it easier with that specific task.

It might be because they are more intelligent than oneself or that they are better with their hands, but that is what I call innate skills. To excell in an area without much effort.

This does not mention the fact that most people with such "skills" are often very interestested in those areas and hence also put alot of effort into it. But the thing is that even without that effort, my belief is that they would still be better.
Of course theres going to be someone better than you! Theres more than 6 billion people in this earth. its simply inevitable. Intelligence and hand skills are not inherited. Those traits are developed by the individual. If you study, you get smarter. If you work with your hands alot, you have better hand skills. That does not mean your better than everyone around you.

[Laiquelleion]

Of course there will always be someone better than you, but that was not the point I was trying to make. Even though traits are developed individually and are not (at least not fully) inherited there are people who have it easier to develop those traits. Not only because of a better environment and hard work, but also because of the "skills" they are born with.

[GOD'S BITCH]

Of course there will always be someone better than you, but that was not the point I was trying to make. Even though traits are developed individually and are not (at least not fully) inherited there are people who have it easier to develop those traits. Not only because of a better environment and hard work, but also because of the "skills" they are born with.
You claim that traits are not inherited, yet you say that people are born with skillz. please explain because I have no idea what your getting at.

[Laiquelleion]

and are not (at least not fully) inherited

This was my addition since I came to think that you didn't believe traits could be inherited. Nothing in this world is black or white, and I doubt that all traits gets passed down from your parents. (parent being smart does not mean that the child WILL be).

And if you look again at the last sentence you will see that I put skills with "" just to point out that I couldn't find a better word for them. You can call them skills,abilities, or whatever you wish.

[princesstaco]

I would like to go up to someone who believes in predetermination and punch them in the face. When they got angry, I would tell them that it was their destiny to be punched. They have no right to be mad at me as it was my destiny, and therefore not truely my own choice, to punch them.


I do not believe in destiny, because it is in my nature as a conscious, thinking being to act under the impression that I am in control of my actions and my future.

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er wait...



What I mean, is that I (whomever I/my consciousness might be) think that I am in control of my own actions, so I am going to continue to act under that assumption.

[rimpelcut]

I don't necessarily like the idea of God being the meaning of existence. In fact, I hope that there is no God-No heaven or hell. I even wish Evolution has led to our creation. Even so, religion is all I know. Evolution has yet to truly prove itself so until then I look to God and religion to answer my questions. When I mean good I mean it in terms of deeds and bad as in sins. The bible, quran, torah, etc tells us what we should do(whats good) and what shouldn't do(sins). Your view is too simplistic. You claim that "you work hard to...." That is not always the case. Somethings whether good or bad that occurs in one life may not necessarily be due to what that individual has worked for. It may be due to their interaction with others. For example, a friend died and left you millions of dollars. What did you work for? In short, not everything that occurs to a person is the direct result of their own hardwork.

When you read my posts you will see many examples and stories whitch are not supposed to be taken literraly. I only made a point concerning destiny.
In your example I would say the friend gave you a million dollars and you....
the friend didn't give you a million dollars and you....
If you don't understand what I am getting at, ask.
Let me ask you, do you need a book to tell you what is good and bad? do you not see it for yourself? Also the evolution thing, what answers will that give you? certainly not meaning to life.

and in the end you will only reach one destiny.
yeah I got that but became unclear because you said that there are lets say 500 destinies whitch made me wonder if you thought that there is free will.

I believe that destiny is only that which one can make of ones own abilities and the choices one makes. And hence the "Destiny" as in predestined future becomes nothing more than the skills one is borne with.

So if someone would ask me if I believed in destiny ?

I would answer NO.
the choices you make shape your destiny. If you view at your life from a outside view it will look predestined. So what you did in life whatever it was made your destiny. If you look at your own life then in the end you have a lifes story. That story went the way in went and therefore you could say it is predestined. Lets say you travel to the future. What you saw there may or may not have changed your actions in life. This shaped your life story and therefore that was your predestined life. You don't like this view do you hehehe.

I would like to go up to someone who believes in predetermination and punch them in the face. When they got angry, I would tell them that it was their destiny to be punched. They have no right to be mad at me as it was my destiny, and therefore not truely my own choice, to punch them.


I do not believe in destiny, because it is in my nature as a conscious, thinking being to act under the impression that I am in control of my actions and my future.

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er wait...



What I mean, is that I (whomever I/my consciousness might be) think that I am in control of my own actions, so I am going to continue to act under that assumption.
that seems to be the problem with everyone that doesn't agree with destiny.

[Laiquelleion]

When you read my posts you will see many examples and stories whitch are not supposed to be taken literraly. I only made a point concerning destiny.
In your example I would say the friend gave you a million dollars and you....
the friend didn't give you a million dollars and you....
If you don't understand what I am getting at, ask.
Let me ask you, do you need a book to tell you what is good and bad? do you not see it for yourself? Also the evolution thing, what answers will that give you? certainly not meaning to life.


yeah I got that but became unclear because you said that there are lets say 500 destinies whitch made me wonder if you thought that there is free will.


the choices you make shape your destiny. If you view at your life from a outside view it will look predestined. So what you did in life whatever it was made your destiny. If you look at your own life then in the end you have a lifes story. That story went the way in went and therefore you could say it is predestined. Lets say you travel to the future. What you saw there may or may not have changed your actions in life. This shaped your life story and therefore that was your predestined life. You don't like this view do you hehehe.


that seems to be the problem with everyone that doesn't agree with destiny.

It's not that I don't like it, more that i don't believe in it. Because in my oppinion, free choice contradicts destiny. Unless you want to call the choices one makes destiny. And then it just would not be predestined now would it...

[Sorian]

yeah I got that but became unclear because you said that there are lets say 500 destinies whitch made me wonder if you thought that there is free will.


I could see how you could get that idea. We will use the # 500 again. I say there are 500 destinies you could end up in. Each choice you make moves you toward one destiny. So thats a little free will, but you can't move out of the spectrum of those 500. Your destiny is that you will end with one of those 500. That is the destiny part.

[rimpelcut]

It's not that I don't like it, more that i don't believe in it. Because in my oppinion, free choice contradicts destiny. Unless you want to call the choices one makes destiny. And then it just would not be predestined now would it...

I am trying to make it clear that there is no free will or free choice. If your "choices" makes the destiny then you could say it is predestined because whatever you did in your life that is what your destiny became. But the things that drive you in your life are events upon events. Therefore it is predestined. predestiny means that your life has a destiny and destiny means that whatever choices you make will in the end form your destiny. Since you cannot normally see your destiny you cannot change it. If you see it it will be the destiny with the future seeing or timetravel included because your actions create your destiny. So if you had future telling abilities you could see the destiny without interfering with it. After your life is over your destiny would be that you had lived so and so and used you ability to foresee the future and interfere with it. So from that perspective your destiny was predestined to happen. Imagine a book with a story. In the story this man gets to know the end of the book he gets a vision. Now that he knows the end, the story changes because it is still going on. But the story to you would be the same story. Only for the man in the story it would seems like he new the end and then changed it and with that changed his destiny. To you ( and to him if he thinks in this way) the book had only one destiny.

quote: "I could see how you could get that idea. We will use the # 500 again. I say there are 500 destinies you could end up in. Each choice you make moves you toward one destiny. So thats a little free will, but you can't move out of the spectrum of those 500. Your destiny is that you will end with one of those 500. That is the destiny part."

There migh t have been millions of possibilities depending on actions but there still will be only one destiny and therefore everything you did in life was predestined to happen.

[sunj01]

I am trying to make it clear that there is no free will or free choice. If your "choices" makes the destiny then you could say it is predestined because whatever you did in your life that is what your destiny became. But the things that drive you in your life are events upon events. Therefore it is predestined. predestiny means that your life has a destiny and destiny means that whatever choices you make will in the end form your destiny. Since you cannot normally see your destiny you cannot change it. If you see it it will be the destiny with the future seeing or timetravel included because your actions create your destiny. So if you had future telling abilities you could see the destiny without interfering with it. After your life is over your destiny would be that you had lived so and so and used you ability to foresee the future and interfere with it. So from that perspective your destiny was predestined to happen. Imagine a book with a story. In the story this man gets to know the end of the book he gets a vision. Now that he knows the end, the story changes because it is still going on. But the story to you would be the same story. Only for the man in the story it would seems like he new the end and then changed it and with that changed his destiny. To you ( and to him if he thinks in this way) the book had only one destiny.

quote: "I could see how you could get that idea. We will use the # 500 again. I say there are 500 destinies you could end up in. Each choice you make moves you toward one destiny. So thats a little free will, but you can't move out of the spectrum of those 500. Your destiny is that you will end with one of those 500. That is the destiny part."

There migh t have been millions of possibilities depending on actions but there still will be only one destiny and therefore everything you did in life was predestined to happen.

smile-big THAT ISSSSSSSSSS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEsmile-big

[kaizuki]

i believe in destiny. i think u r born with a destiny and u cant change it.of course this is coming from me and im a buddhist.

[Rockreaper]

I don't believe in Destiny. Or a pre-set Destiny anyway. I believe that we make our own, and that, if we had a destiny, then why would we have will? I mean, if we had a pre-set destiny, then why would we be able to make choices, unless will is an illusion. But, at the same time, why?

[chiisiture]

I believe in destiny, most of the time we cannot control our time. Things move like it was meant to be, yet you're the one who will choose your own path. And if you have that strength, you may suceed to have your own expectation and dreams...

[hesd]

I do not believe in denstiny; it only exists in hindsight. However, I do believe in the ultimate common end state of things. But that does not translate to 'destiny' as the latter is supposedly the unique experiences of each individual.
There seems to be no free if we try to locate ourselves in society's concentric cirlcles of influence: our family, peers, organizations, ethinicity/race, religion, physical appearance, level of educational attainment, and other ascribed or achieved statuses. These serve to construct for us our opportunity structures, or life chances. This is not destiny though. It is reality and we are placed in a reciprocal relation with it--we can transcend these influences if we want to, but not without consequences.

[Svenjamin]

I don't believe indestiny at all. I mean. If it existed, how would we know what was destiny and what wasn't? How would we prove that a certain thing happened for some 'reason'... it doesn't make sense to me.

[Shade Luka]

It's not suppose to make sense, but your right though.

[sunj01]

everyone is comin with good ideassmile-big

[BlueBleach]

i blieve in destiny in that it guides us most of the time through our lives but i also blieve that our choices in life can change the circumstances of destinys outcome

[illmater]

i do not believe in destiny for 2 reasons

humans have the power to reason. therefore we can choose what we want to do even if it goes against our instinct. even if you grew up in a family that abused you and is racist and everyone in your family is violent and racist you still have the power to choose to stop because even if all youve ever known is violence you can choose to stop the chain of violence. therefore our actions are chosen by us.


bah, i forgot the second reason. i didnt bother to read the second or 3rd pages of the thread so sorry if im repeating someone.

[Cæk]

Destiny, for me is a difficult topic to debate upon for many reasons: mainly because no-one can ever be truly sure therefore it cannot be proved. However I would personally say that I do believe in destiny for reasons following: given that I am a Hindu and believe in Karma (which is basically: 'what goes around comes around') I am at the mercy of Destiny. But going along with the principles of karma it is possible to alter it by doing good deeds, as with Destiny. But the difference is that you don’t have to necessarily do good deeds just be able to make the so called 'right decision' which in the end is all down to you and making that 'right decison' but this is where it gets really annoying no-one ever knows if they are doing the right thing which kinda goes back to the idea that it can never really be proved.

[sunj01]

Destiny, for me is a difficult topic to debate upon for many reasons: mainly because no-one can ever be truly sure therefore it cannot be proved. However I would personally say that I do believe in destiny for reasons following: given that I am a Hindu and believe in Karma (which is basically: 'what goes around comes around') I am at the mercy of Destiny. But going along with the principles of karma it is possible to alter it by doing good deeds, as with Destiny. But the difference is that you don’t have to necessarily do good deeds just be able to make the so called 'right decision' which in the end is all down to you and making that 'right decison' but this is where it gets really annoying no-one ever knows if they are doing the right thing which kinda goes back to the idea that it can never really be proved.


but every 1 should hav som belife in Destiny just a little

[NashNinja]

I have no time to believe I'm destined for something. I have all the time in the world to make sure I'm garunteed for something. A man who's "destined" for greatness isn't so because it's what they're going to get, but rather he uses his time to ensure his legacy will live on long after he is gone.

The only destiny I see here is the one you make up for yourself.

[EXhack]

I don't believe in destiny, I believe that we shap eachother's and our own futures, through our actions.

[esoteric`]

If this offends someone then i appologize with no sincereity whatsoever. Destiny is something that ignorant people use to justify why they cannot change who or what they are....that is crap. Was it the rich man's destiny to become rich, or the poor man's destiny to become poor? No, each person shapes their own life through the choices they make. By saying our destinies are predetermined you essentially take away our humanity by taking away our right to choose.

If you'd like to read an interesting book on the subject I'd suggest A Clockwork Orange which is really a great book anyways.

[Pinkaugust]

I don't believe in destiny, because I don't like the thought that I might become a huge failure, just because destiny said so, but I don't like the thought that I could miss the chance to become successfull all on my own either, but I'd rather it was my own doing..

[narutokun15]

I believe in destiny to a certain extent however that destiny is fully dependant on the decisions that a person makes. If a person takes one path they will have one destiny and if they take a separate path there destiny will differ.
I fully agree w/ that first part. However I would make a diffrent argument for that other part and say that "in many times in our life, oppurtunities come up that have perfect timing or are so prevelent that it just has to be more than coincedence! Like when you are in a shitty situation and become appauld by it, but then deep down inside you have the strength and (more imp.) the desire to fight it! Then, that might mean that you have a destiny to fight this, or a destiny to get out and tell others about it so they can fight it and eradicate it! Or, the most prev. one, when 2 people meet by total chance who are alike and fall in love, then they were destined to fall in love! So that's what I believe destiny is!

[Cæk]

but every 1 should hav som belife in Destiny just a little

Ofcourse they do, thats just what i think. I didnt say everyone feels and thinks the same in fact im sure that there are people out there who do believe completely in destiny and feel they can change their future etc. I can assume you are one? :amuse

[Kent]

I do believe in destiny, and it's having really fun toying around with me right now :cry

[The Space Cowboy]

Destiny is a just a word.

A person accumulates as such through life experiences.
And sometimes...a person happens to be the right man or woman at the right time.

In a sense a person could said to have been destined to be in a certain place at a certain moment...because we all share the same universe. They might not have been there at that time, but they were--and since we share the totality of what -is- the only certainty is that the person was indeed at that certain place at that certain time.

So yeah...I believe in the general idea of Destiny, or fate, or whatever you want to call it. I just don't think it's some force that somehow guides everything to auspicious ends

[The Sin]

Yup, i believe in destiny....looks like the score is tied between believers and non-believers

[petersellers]

destiny is what you make of it which ultimately is it's own anihilation. don't control yourself without having control of your self.

[petersellers]

destiny is destined to lead you blindly

[Giant Enemy Crab]

I think humans create their own paths, not destiny.

[kamii44]

I think Destiny is an excuse people make up to make themselves feel better that their future is already paved for themselves. A person can sit on their chair all their life and nothing can happen to them. Destiny is just something we shape ourselves. Our choices and decisions. Our paths we choose.

[Fear The Mullet]

Destiny, I don't buy it.

Defiantely some things may seem like they were somehow, "destined" to happen. Meeting that special person, perhaps, but its up to you to effect your presence on the situation and ahve sometihng come of it. Destiny is a useful tool if you want self pity, blame your short comings on something you cant control. I believe everything can have a change effected on its self at any time, life is random. Some things may happen that change us profoundly but its our job to act on those things.

[vj01]

i belive in destiny i think everything happens for a reason how ever many people can change there destiny i belive it is all up to the person and what they want to do with there destiny lol

[i-eat-crayonz]

i beleive in destiny and i beleive that you have to take charge of it......but this is just an opinian:)

[sunj01]

I believe that people make there own destiny it give them a path and some peoples destiny is 2 help other with there destiny e.g. teachers there destiny is 2 help u with urs:oh :oh :oh :oh