[Anime Only!] Kuchiki Byakuya vs Ichimaru Gin OR Aizen

[Jonas]

Who is stronger between:

Kuchiki Byakuya vs Ichimaru Gin
or
Kuchiki Byakuya vs Aizen-taishou!!

??

(currently just viewing the anime).

[TenshiOni]

Moved to the Society Battledome.

Editted the title there for ya too. :amuse

[Insipidipity]

Vs. Gin, probably Byakuya. He seemed to take a hit from his Shikai while severely injured. Plus Gin seems remotely afraid of him.

*edit: nvm already moved.

[Nihongofreak]

There is no way of knowing the outcome of Byakuya vs. Gin, but i would say Gin since why would Aizen keep him around if he wasnt one of the strongest. and for Aizen and Byakuya it would be Aizen hands down with his total hypnosis

[Gene]

Aizen>Byakuya>Gin

[Insipidipity]

Although I think Aizen could beat him, I think he does have the advantage that he can attack multiple places at once even if he's hypnotized. He could use those thousand swords to attack everywhere and he has formidable kidou as well.

[Diaketh]

Although I think Aizen could beat him, I think he does have the advantage that he can attack multiple places at once even if he's hypnotized. He could use those thousand swords to attack everywhere and he has formidable kidou as well.

I think you really do underestimate the owerwhelming power of the complete hypnosis. It controls all of the faive senses, the sense of pain included. Without lifting a finger he could cause unfathomable amonts of pain. Not to mentin that Aizen most surely have achieved Ban Kai, but he owns Byakuya with just his shikai.

[Jonas]

Moved to the Society Battledome.

Editted the title there for ya too. :amuse
<3

But what the hell, just how strong is Aizen? Is he stronger than Urahara cuz Uruhara seems to be on Aizen's level. Some say that Aizen > Urahara. And it seems that Gin doesn't have anything special on Byakuya, since he almost lost to Hitsugaya if it wasn't for Hinamori. Or am i wrong?

[Code]

Gin doesn't seem like anything special, so I'd say Byakuya could beat Gin. But Aizen would defeat Byakuya.

[zyphere]

Aizen would own Byakuya, not a single doubt in my mind about it.
Sure Byakuya has formidable kidou, but so does Aizen. After all, doesn't he use Destruction no. 90?
Remember, Ichigo beat Byakuya. Aizen stopped Ichigo's blade with two fingers. Logically, Aizen > Byakuya.

As for Gin, tough to say. He may've 'lost' to Hitsugaya but some may argue that he was holding back some of his power. We've also yet to see him really fight seriously; his bankai remains a mystery.

[Insipidipity]

Aizen would own Byakuya, not a single doubt in my mind about it.
Sure Byakuya has formidable kidou, but so does Aizen. After all, doesn't he use Destruction no. 90?
Remember, Ichigo beat Byakuya. Aizen stopped Ichigo's blade with two fingers. Logically, Aizen > Byakuya.

As for Gin, tough to say. He may've 'lost' to Hitsugaya but some may argue that he was holding back some of his power. We've also yet to see him really fight seriously; his bankai remains a mystery.
But he only used Hadou #90 at 1/3rd power. Speaking of which, why is that such a feat when Tessai performed Bakudo #99 without any trouble?

Also Ichigo's blade wasn't really pumping reiatsu, it looked just like the one that Byakuya blocked with his Bankai. Afterall, they just got out of a big battle and he said he used up all his reiatsu then, I'd be surprised if he had much left to attack Aizen with.

[Yak]

I won’t say much about Aizen vs Byakuya since to me it is clear that in the end Aizen would definitely win. But with Gin, I really don’t know… it is hard to judge Gins abilities and power level since we never saw him fighting seriously once…

Byakuya took a hit from Gin’s Shinsou when he rescued Rukia from Aizen but he was competely pierced by the attack and collapsed right after it. Yes, he had just finished that hard fight with Ichigo but Gin did aim for Rukia, not for Byakuya. So, if he had aimed for Byakuya and hit a vital spot he might have very well killed him instantly. So you can’t really say that Kuchiki took it “good” because he wasn’t Gins target at that time.

Gin’s first fight with a captain was against Hitsugaya. Some people say that he “lost” but I don’t see where that comes from. He was toying with Hitsugaya the whole time, he could dodge or block all of his attacks, even later all of the shikai-attacks with ease while he didn’t release his shikai until Hitsu’s very last attack – where Gin got caught on purpose. Why? Well, what else reason would there be, if he could dodge or block all the previous attacks with no problem before and suddenly he got caught by the last one which wasn’t anything special except that Hitsu used the chain on his sword? Even if it wasn’t on purpose, Gin is a clever guy. Being the VC of Aizen – the guy who right now seems to be one of the greatest, if not the greatest plotting genius in SS – for years… don’t tell me Gin hasn’t learned anything from his captain; besides he is smart by himself and a tricky fighter. Gin calculated that Hitsugaya would either get him and then strike him directly or he would have to make Hitsugaya come close, so Gin could use Shinsou in the most effective way, just like he did – close and hidden.

The fact that Hitsugaya could still dodge Shinsou (even though he was close to being “shot” like hell) proves that it would’ve been useless to use the shikai against Hitsu from the distance. He’s the genius captain after all, he wouldn’t have had trouble to see the attack coming and dodging it. Gin needed him close in order to strike him, so he got caught on purpose and it seems that he “lost”. If Matsumoto hadn’t stepped in, he would’ve killed Hinamori and left Hitsu in a defensive position. Gin had control over the fight from the very beginning. Without ever getting serious. Against a captain.

Next, it is said and proven that Byakuya is a clever, quite formiddable Kidou-user. We don’t know if Gin can use Kidou as good as the Kuchiki-taicho can, but we can assume that because he – again the reference to Aizen – was the VC of the fifth’s division captain, who can perform Kidou in the 90’s which in SS is something special. I guess Gin is rather good at Kidou and I speculate that he at least planned on using it once. Right after Hinamori spotted Aizen hanging from the height of the house wall and Gin appeared on the scene, she charged at him, being interrupted by Kira. We know that Hitsugaya came and stopped the fight, after that he asked Gin “did you really plan on killing Hinamori” or something like that. There’s a close shot of Gins right (I believe) hand, where he points out with one finger, the rest is closed to a fist – just as if he was preparing a Kidou-attack, in case Hinamori would’ve overcome Kira and got through to Gin.

So, all in all, Gin remains a mystery, he hasn’t shown us one serious fight yet, not even to speak of his Bankai, but I doubt he would lose to Byakuya.

[Dooh]

I really think you overestimate Gin's power Yakkun, how do you know he is playing? If your talking about gins attitude, he's always like that.

Gins a tactical person as is required when he is shika is kinda short against the other captains, and that if we think about it he should be an mediocre kidou user.

But truth to be told if we look at Rukia's perspetive Gin and Bakuya are equal.
But I'd say that gin would win with a marginal

[Seon]

I
m not quite sure Byakuya could beat either of them,IMO,but probably Gin
definetly not Aizen,the reason I say this is because Ichigo couldn't even TOUCH Aizen, I understand Ichigo just went through the fight of his life there,but atleast he should be able to TOUCH Aizen,but he couldn't...and Ichigo beat Byakuya. That's for Aizen's part. For Gin,Well Gin we don't know how powerful he is,I mean the anime could be joking when they showed that comedy strip with him and Kenpachi,or it could be true that Gin can't beat Byakuya,I'm pretty sure he really can't because he took a hit by Gin and didn't go flying away

[yummysasuke]

I say Byakuya will win Gin, but lose to Aizen. That mad man can block blades with his damn finger/hand!

[Yak]

I really think you overestimate Gin's power Yakkun, how do you know he is playing? If your talking about gins attitude, he's always like that.



I'm not saying that he is playing in general, doubt he would against Byakuya. However, against Hitsugaya he didn't really show what he is capable of. Even after Hitsugaya showed his huge reiatsu which impressed Kira, Gin remained calm but didn't come out of his freaky, joking attitude. He "admitted" that Hitsugaya is indeed the genius that only appears in a few hundred years and said that he was "dangerous" but when it comes to Gin... well... we never know if he is talking serious with his happy face or if he is joking. He could've just screwed around with Hitsu for a while and making a joke of him being "dangerous" while he actually isn't at all - at least to Gin.

I don't overestimate Gin but I'm not saying all the others are underestimating him, as well. He is just to unpredictable and the only person who probably knows what he is capable of and what his real face looks like when he's serious is Matsumoto Rangiku.

[Pipboy]

Well from what we have seen about byakuya and gin its almost impossible to tell one way or another who is the stronger. That being said I would give gin the edge in combat for several reasons.

The first beign that Gin has immense practical tactical intellegence, as well as the highest emotional IQ in the series. His express purpose during the entire HItsugaya fight was to trick Hitsugaya into killing her or saddling him with the guilt of her death. He assualts people in a cruel rapid multiple level battle. He fights physically and tactically with great precision and skill and then on top of that he does what he can to destroy you emotionally, killing your calm and your cool.

Furthermore his intial release has never really seen pure combat utilization. We don't know how fast the god spear really is, we don't know if it can turn, seek or anything like that. Furthermore we don't know gins abilty with mystic arts or his relative abilty with shyunpo. Given that it is obvious that he let hitsugaya get behind him we can't really give that any credence to his abilty (though of all the captains hitsugaya has probably the worst flash step[coun't catch kira..]). Furthwermore there is the question of gins Ban release.

In terms of ban release gin most likely has one of two abilties. The first is god spear plus. Basically the initial release boosted a thousand times in speed and power, to those of you who read one piece think jet attacks. The other is some freaky cross breeding, which would have some odd effect peripherally releated to the intial release either in name or funciton. Of the two the first is the most likely. No matter what though gins ban release would probably be excessively scary given his slightly lackluster intial release.

[Code]

Well from what we have seen about byakuya and gin its almost impossible to tell one way or another who is the stronger. That being said I would give gin the edge in combat for several reasons.

From what we've seen of Byakuya and Gin, it's impossible to say that Gin is stronger without making large assumptions.


The first beign that Gin has immense practical tactical intellegence, as well as the highest emotional IQ in the series. His express purpose during the entire HItsugaya fight was to trick Hitsugaya into killing her or saddling him with the guilt of her death. He assualts people in a cruel rapid multiple level battle. He fights physically and tactically with great precision and skill and then on top of that he does what he can to destroy you emotionally, killing your calm and your cool.

He has not shown to have "immense" intelligence of any sort. He has been shown to have intelligence, but nowhere near immense. The only people he's destroyed emotionally are Hinamori and Rukia, both obviously already emotionally "unstable." He did succeed in angering Hitsugaya, but anyone with the mind to do so could probably tell that through Hinamori is the way, but it's very possible that Aizen may have put Gin up to it, and very likely. Kenpachi fought physically and tactically against Tousen... Ikkaku fights physically and tactically against his opponnents... and so on.


Furthermore his intial release has never really seen pure combat utilization. We don't know how fast the god spear really is, we don't know if it can turn, seek or anything like that. Furthermore we don't know gins abilty with mystic arts or his relative abilty with shyunpo. Given that it is obvious that he let hitsugaya get behind him we can't really give that any credence to his abilty (though of all the captains hitsugaya has probably the worst flash step[coun't catch kira..]). Furthwermore there is the question of gins Ban release.

I personally didn't thikn it's obvious that he let Hitsugaya get behind him, well he may have, but that is probably because that was the only or best course of action to take against him. Instead of fighting him directly, in which case he may have possibly lost. Hitsugaya was following Kira, he didn't need to tackle him and question him.

[Dooh]

As Code stated, he wanted to follow Kira and see what he was up to not kill him or harm him.

And the "EQ" you presumly give Gin then you can give it to, Tousan, kenpachi, yachiru, yama, unohana, Urahara and so on. Gin is adapt with his fighting method and it is to use mental attacks because we all can see that his shika utterly weak if we look at the others.

As I said before you overestimate the power of Gin, I'd say that he would win because unlike Ichigo the blade is stronger then a blast and thats why he has one of the strongest distance attacks.

[Tsukiyomi]

A lot of people keep saying Gin is strong because Aizen has him around and Aizen wouldn't take weak people. Well Aizen took him when he was a VC, maybe even before that.

Its obvious that back then he wasn't as strong as he is now, he took Gin because Gin is twisted enough to follow Aizen, he probably took him for his loyalty, just like he took Tousen not because he was strong, but because he could see through Aizen's abilities.

Had Byakuya not just been pounded on by Hollow Ichigo and been point blank in a massive Reiatsu explosion which rendered him barely able to stand, he probably would have been fast enough to grab Rukia and get out of the way with her instead of grabbing her and letting Gin hit him instead.

Until I see some more from Gin's shikai then a straight thrust I'm of the opinion that his Shikai doesn't compare to Byakuya's which is fast enough to be almost invisible and is capable of attacking from multiple directions at once, not to mention all of the Kidou abilities Byakuya has shown.

As for Aizen, Aizen would trash Byakuya as he would against any of the current captains (yes I believe he would even beat Yamamoto), so I won't even touch that one.

[Nihongofreak]

But what the hell, just how strong is Aizen? Is he stronger than Urahara cuz Uruhara seems to be on Aizen's level. Some say that Aizen > Urahara.
Where do u get that Urahara is on Aizen's level, the only thing we have seen of him is his brief fighting with ichigo, in which he didnt even show his bankai and his shikai wasnt all that strong. If it's a spoiler from the manga then please edit out your post.

[Dooh]

Where do u get that Urahara is on Aizen's level, the only thing we have seen of him is his brief fighting with ichigo, in which he didnt even show his bankai and his shikai wasnt all that strong. If it's a spoiler from the manga then please edit out your post.

We've been hinted many times that he is an "legendary" captain. And if we look at his methods he has created and used we can clearly see that it takes some talent to creat and be able to handle them to for e g the bankai metod.

[Insipidipity]

We've been hinted many times that he is an "legendary" captain. And if we look at his methods he has created and used we can clearly see that it takes some talent to creat and be able to handle them to for e g the bankai metod.
True, Ikkaku was willing to go all out when he found out, plus he's done a lot(Hougyoku and Gigai and the 3 day Bankai)

[zyphere]

But he only used Hadou #90 at 1/3rd power. Speaking of which, why is that such a feat when Tessai performed Bakudo #99 without any trouble?

Also Ichigo's blade wasn't really pumping reiatsu, it looked just like the one that Byakuya blocked with his Bankai. Afterall, they just got out of a big battle and he said he used up all his reiatsu then, I'd be surprised if he had much left to attack Aizen with.

That is a valid point.
But, it's pretty hard to say that Ichigo was completely milked dry of reiatsu. He still had enough in him to move as quickly as he did to save Renji and Rukia as Aizen was bringing down his sword. He was still moving pretty quickly.

But you are right in that Ichigo was not using his full power. At the same time, I doubt Aizen was either. Stopping his blade with two fingers is still quite a feat (and not to mention also stopping Renji's shikai and Komamura's blade), or at the very least, one that Byakuya would not have been able to have performed regardless.

[Chamcham Trigger]

Byakuya, would probably be able to take on Gin, but Aizen's a different story. No matter how weak or Strong someone may consider Gin, Aizen's power has already been displayed to be quite high.

[Seon]

Well yeah actually I'm starting to think Gin would actually take Byakuya and have a good fight,but in the end Byakuya would win...seeing as how Gin's Shikai vs Byakuya's Shikai Gin's is pretty basic and defeatable since its only a lightning fast straight thrust and Byakuya could block it with Senbonzakura and counter with it,he's too much like Gaara im telling ya.

Aizen.....................................fuck it,Byakuya lost end of the damn story.

[HugeGuy]

Byakuya vs Gin: I seriously don't know. Though I wish Gin would win.:P

Byakuya vs Aizen: Ha! Senbonzakura can't even cut Aizen if Ichigo's bankai
can't cut through Aizen's half inch thick finger.:laugh

[Hyuuga Neji]

byakuya > gin

he has 3 forms of bankai and a very effective shikai, gin's is only an extendable sword

aizen > byakuya

because

aizen's finger > ichigo

and ichigo > byakuya

[Dooh]

byakuya > gin

he has 3 forms of bankai and a very effective shikai, gin's is only an extendable sword

aizen > byakuya

because

aizen's finger > ichigo

and ichigo > byakuya

How logical your explanation is. Because we havn't seen Gin's bankai or gin in a long lasting shika fight you assume that he doesn't have 3 attacks? And because the inexprienced Ichigo who had the key(speed) to win over Byakuyas bankai azien will win? and that Azien met a 100% Ichigo?

Seriously we can't say anything about the fight Byakuya vs Gin, but we can assume that Azien will win because how we saw him fought Hitsu.

[Freakness]

Aizen takes Byakuya down .

Byakuya and Gin are probably equal . Both are very strong . Gin should not be underestimated, I have a feeling he is very very powerful .
Remember, we haven't seen his Bankai yet .

[DesignCore]

I think you really do underestimate the owerwhelming power of the complete hypnosis. It controls all of the faive senses, the sense of pain included. Without lifting a finger he could cause unfathomable amonts of pain. Not to mentin that Aizen most surely have achieved Ban Kai, but he owns Byakuya with just his shikai.


U uderestimate hte fact that he has to be totaly hypnotized first. Dont you remmebr how azien hipnotized all the other Vice and below by doing a demonstration of his sword. With byakuga knowing that he has to reveal his sword for him to be hipnotized he can easily fight withough making direct contact with it.

[Dreamcas]

Although my favorite character out of bleach IS Ichimaru Gin i would have to have it in this order with good reasoning.

Aizen > Byakuya > Gin

Aizen obviously "wins" for many reasons, Aizen's shikai which puts everybody in a trance as soon as he releases his grip from his weapon. Second, for all those who believe byakuya would win have sorely overestimated him, his bankai was easily defeated with speed (Ichigo bout) and Aizen can easily (although not perfectly) use a lvl 90+ kidou instantly, as opposed to Byakuya whose speciality is the way of binding (which would easily be dispelled by a person of Aizen's level) And finally, no one knows of Aizen's and Gin's bankai.
Referring to the (anime only) show, he defeats Hitsugaya in a flash even though he had his bankai out, he defeats a weakened but still in able condition Ichigo, he almost kills another captain with an instant (although not perfect) lvl 90+ kidou, and his intelligence to plan all of it out is another thing to ponder over, he is not going down without a fight.
Byakuya i would state why and whynots, but he's always seen in the anime/manga so no need to go into great detail about him, you all know his weaknesses and strengths. (But i will respond if i get a damn Byakuya fan boy ranting about my post that doesn't want to listen to other people's opinions.)

Gin, ahh Gin, my favorite character of all. He is a born genius that is only rivaled by Hitsugaya (once in every 1000 years) He is the definition of a riddle wrapped in an enigma, no one knows what's he is thinking or what he will do. I only say he is last only for the sole reason that he is "random." He obviously can take Byakuya, IF he tried, which he doesn't and probably won't. He rather joke around and toys with people's heads rather than inflict physical damage unless forced to. (As shown with the Hitsugaya v. Gin fight) But if he fought seriously with his Bankai i'm sure He'll be in close first along with Aizen i mean if he wasn't so loyal. ICHIMARU GIN X MATSUMOTO! sorry just had to add that in there

[Antlion6]

Anime only Aizen > Byakuya > Gin.

The only fight we really saw Gin perform in was against Hitsugaya. I fully support the argument that 'he wasn't taking it seriously,' but that is all we have to go on for him, and it wasn't that impressive.

Byakuya has been shown to do high level Kido without incantation has a deadly Shikai / Bankai. He has way more feats than Gin, so he has to be ranked higher.

Aizen roflstomps them both onto the floor and beats their minds senseless. Then reveals its an illusion and roflstomps their faces all over again.

[Sajin]

*sighs* This thread is more than two years old... And it doesn't seem to be anything other than roflstomp (Aizen) or pure speculation (Gin).