Eneru vs. Portgas D. Ace [Archive]

pakku

01-03-2006, 12:54 AM

Code

01-03-2006, 01:05 AM

Enel can restart his own heart. Can't see him losing.

Really, the idea of a logia vs logia just seems like such an ugly battle to me... I'm not so sure how much this kind of fight would mirror the stalemate of Smoker vs Ace, but if they're anything alike at all it'll be a bore.
Ace vs. Smoker wasn't exactly a stalemate... it seemed quite clear (in the manga) that Ace clearly outlcasses Smoker.

While Eneru did display some amazing feats, I won't automatically say he would win. Ace is one of the top pirates in Whitebeard's crew, and well they're probably the strongest or tied with the strongest. So I'm sure Ace while probably not on Shank's and Whitebeard's supposed level (who should be near Gol D. Roger in strength, but Whitebeard doesn't seem exactly healthy at the moment...), I'm sure he's somewhat near.

Eneru was really the only logia fruit user, with the exception of Crocodile, that we've seen go all out. But there's no way to judge Eneru's strength compared to other high level fighters simply because he never was on the blue seas.

So I'd probably go with Ace.

Molekage

01-03-2006, 01:51 AM

Enel can restart his own heart. Can't see him losing.

Really, the idea of a logia vs logia just seems like such an ugly battle to me... I'm not so sure how much this kind of fight would mirror the stalemate of Smoker vs Ace, but if they're anything alike at all it'll be a bore.

If they only way to hurt a logia is to find his/or her weakness, or trick them into falling into the ocean or hitting the devil fruit draining thing, ace and enel will have a really fricking long battle (reminds me of the quote from barbosa in pirates of the caribbean when he is fighting undead jack). I mean, if you can do no physical harm to a logia aside from a weekness, then wtf are enel and ace going to do to each other, except make an impressive looking firework display?

pakku

01-03-2006, 12:19 PM

Ace vs. Smoker wasn't exactly a stalemate... it seemed quite clear (in the manga) that Ace clearly outlcasses Smoker.

Really? I'll admit, my memory of this moment in the manga is pretty shady, I mostly had the anime in mind when I wrote that. I gotta get to class now, but does anybody know the chapter number of Ace vs Smoker so I can take a look at it when I get back?

Chi

01-03-2006, 01:24 PM

Well... Ace knows about rubber, and does Enelu knows anything about beating fire?

Logia vs Logia seems useless..

Walker

01-03-2006, 05:06 PM

But Ace also has "the will of D"..
wtf? That was just a rumor started on Arlong Park. I would say Eneru would win. He can destory entire islands and he has mantra. We havent seen what Ace can do but as of now I would say Eneru would win. I cant even see Ace winning even if he had godlike powers.

RockLee

01-03-2006, 05:13 PM

They can't hurt each other. It's a tie. -_-'

GSurge

01-03-2006, 05:13 PM

wtf? That was just a rumor started on Arlong Park. I would say Eneru would win. He can destory entire islands and he has mantra. We havent seen what Ace can do but as of now I would say Eneru would win. I cant even see Ace winning even if he had godlike powers.
Dr. Kureha (the old woman who took care of Chopper) mentioned it.

The Will of D: A mysterious property linking Monkey D. Luffy, Portgas D. Ace, Marshal D. Teach (a.k.a. Blackbeard), and Jaguar D. Saul to Gold Roger, (Gol D. Roger). It is not clear what the significance of the shared middle initial is, but it appears that all share a similar faith in their own (and others') dreams. It has been speculated by fans that these characters may in fact all share some sort of blood relation, though there is currently no evidence in the series to either support or contradict this notion. Nico Robin has commented, that all people with D, as their middle initial, are incredibly strong and violent."
A likely theory could be that they are descendents from the ancient kingdom that was overthrown in the "lost 100 years."

smurfx

01-03-2006, 05:20 PM

i don't think that fight would result in a winner. lighting isn't fire's weakness and fire isn't lighting's weakness. ace is probably the only one that can defeat aokiji. but then a water devil fruits user is probably the only one that can beat ace.

Code

01-03-2006, 09:18 PM

Really? I'll admit, my memory of this moment in the manga is pretty shady, I mostly had the anime in mind when I wrote that. I gotta get to class now, but does anybody know the chapter number of Ace vs Smoker so I can take a look at it when I get back?
Chapter 158.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2999/onepiece158196rt.jpg

Gyroscope

01-03-2006, 10:29 PM

Honestly, to those going Eneru and to those going Ace, what could they possibly do to each other?!
And what is this "Ace has the will of D" bullshit.
This isnt Naruto and its ridiculous "Will of fire = win in battledome".

I say, this fight goes nowhere.
They be two immortals locked in eternal combat.

Black Swan

01-03-2006, 11:23 PM

From what ive seen so far from the two i would go w/eneru b/c he has shown a great mastery of his elemental powers. Lightning alchemy and exploiting the power of powerfull electrical conductors... Ace on the other hand has not been shown using his powers to the extent eneru has but that can change seeing he has been just a minor character so far.

EDIT The one thing about ace i never understood is why is a guy as powerfull and bad ass as him be somebody's first mate. I would expect a bad ass like him to be his own captain and answer to no one. But that could be a testament to the power of white beard who knows...

pakku

01-04-2006, 01:08 AM

Chapter 158.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2999/onepiece158196rt.jpg

Ah, I see, so it never showed anything after that one moment. In the anime (IIRC) they both transformed into their respective elements, seemed to attack each other, then came out of it saying something along the lines of "so I guess a battle of fire against smoke is pointless." But I guess I can't use that an example anyway, since it's filler.

Shishou

01-04-2006, 07:55 AM

Hard to say, we have not seen how powerful Ace is.

Ace could technically wear a rubber suit and beat Eneru. But Eneru could technically throw water on Ace and electrocute it...

At the moment though, I think Eneru was on the level of the strongest pirates. Luffy is one of the only people who can beat him, cause his DF ability is the only weakness he has.

Look how easily Eneru owned Zoro.

SloppyJoe

01-05-2006, 03:39 AM

I don't think it would go anywhere but if I had to guess on who's stronger it'd be Enel. Just the abilty to move the speed of lightning makes him ridiclus.

dragonofraven

01-05-2006, 01:08 PM

Now, I haven't read far enough to see Eneru in action, but from what I've heard I think I can make an okay prediction.

Power wise, I think that they're both about the same, seeing as Ace's Fire Fist attack is frickin powerful and Eneru can dish out some good destruction on his own. As for the specific powers, fire and lighting don't gain any ground on each other, so you can't judge from that.

Frpm what I've heard, Eneru can move fast and do some other nice things with his powers. However, there's a reason that Ace is so high up in White Beard's crew, and even without his powers I've read that he's really good, so I'm going to have to say that he should be able to handle himself quite well when fighting Eneru.

Finally, about the mantra, from what I've seen so far it looks like it can be beaten, so that really isn't too big an advantage for Eneru since I'm guessing Ace will be able to find a way to neutralize it or something.

So, either the fight's going to be a tie or, in my estimation, I might be wrong, Ace will win.

Kepa

01-05-2006, 02:21 PM

So, either the fight's going to be a tie or, in my estimation, I might be wrong, Ace will win.well if you have seen eneru in action you'll know he's like a god...
Portgas can be defeated by water, but eneru? I'm glad the story got rid off him, since he was far too overpowered

Code

01-05-2006, 09:08 PM

Eneru may only seem "godly" because we've seen no high-level pirate/marine with the exception of Crocodile fight seriously.

shadowlords

01-05-2006, 09:47 PM

ace isnt the first mate he is second division commander like that pearl guy

shadowlords

01-05-2006, 09:50 PM

and yeah enel vs ace will probably end in a tie but then again enel could just destroy the island that he and ace are fighting on and ace will drown and enel can just fly away

GSurge

01-05-2006, 10:03 PM

ace isnt the first mate he is second division commander like that pearl guy
What are you talking about? Pearl guy?

Ace isn't a marine. He's Whitebeard's first mate.

Gyroscope

01-09-2006, 09:52 AM

Look how easily Eneru owned Zoro.

Dude how does that have any significance to the thread.

And again

People, what do you think they could do to each other?!?!?!
Lightning cannot hurt Fire and Vice versa. If you are gonna take sides, at least give a reason as to why, instead of "OMG he could destroy islands"

Walker

01-09-2006, 04:23 PM

Dude how does that have any significance to the thread.

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To show how easily he can own 60 million berry guys..when have we seen Ace do anything close to that? The fact is we just havent seen enough of him..

Also dont say that he can destory tons of marine ships..Mihawk did that easily and I bet Zoro could also do that at this point.

jaks5555

01-10-2006, 05:15 PM

well fire requires oxygen. what does lighing do to oxygen can enru use this to his advatage???

Hermie

01-10-2006, 06:18 PM

well fire requires oxygen. what does lighing do to oxygen can enru use this to his advatage???
It doesn't do a damn thing to oxygen. :oh

XangetZu

01-10-2006, 06:29 PM

maybe it would even be a completely meaningless fight like Ace's and Smoker's since fire and lightning are totally unafftected byt each other. On the other hand, if Eneru was down at the blue sea his bounty would prolly be sick...

Tousenz

01-10-2006, 08:09 PM

On the other hand, if Eneru was down at the blue sea his bounty would prolly be sick...

Not really. He really lost his cool when he was able to be hurt. And im sure theres other people able to hurt him.

Walker

01-10-2006, 09:11 PM

Not really. He really lost his cool when he was able to be hurt. And im sure theres other people able to hurt him.
Not really. Probably only other Logia typed users could beat him, he was above crocodiles level imo. He would easily be one of the strongest on the grandline. Luffy just is a conductor and lightning cant hurt him.

If he was on the grandline he would have a bounty over 200 million, mostlikely.

Gyroscope

01-11-2006, 01:06 PM

Luffy is a non-conductor you mean

jaks5555

01-12-2006, 12:17 PM

Logia is when you become the element itself right. well ace is fire, his body is made out of fire. smoker is smoke his body is made out of smoke. so luffy ate the gomu gomu (rubber) fruit so his body turned rubber as well. does this mean that he is a Logia???

Molekage

01-12-2006, 03:32 PM

i'm pretty sure that there are already posts about this, and that oda says that hes paramecia.

shadowlords

01-12-2006, 03:41 PM

What are you talking about? Pearl guy?

Ace isn't a marine. He's Whitebeard's first mate.

dont u remember pearl? don krieg's second division commander? gin is his first mate which is better than second division commander

SOO in simpler terms
Don Krieg = Captain = White Beard
Gin = First Mate = we dont know yet
Pearl = Second division commander = Ace

zounds-_

01-13-2006, 01:02 PM

Remember that the battle between Luffy and Enel took place up in the skies where they at the beginning had a hard time using their full strenght because lack of air.

Sure Enel couldn't hurt luffy properly with his lightning based attacks but on the other hand Luffy couldn't possibly have been fighting at full strength (if using logic reasoning he couldn't have adepted the small amount of air he could breath).

So Imagine a battle between Enel and Luffy down in the blue seas. I doubt Enel could have done as good as he did vs Luffy, and in this case even worser against Ace.

But oh well they won't be fighting each other anyway =P.

Chizniz

01-13-2006, 07:49 PM

From what we have seen from both combatants I dont really see how Ace could win. Yes he is a very powerful logia user, but we have not really seen him do much with his ability, short of becoming a living flame thrower and maybe jet propulsion for his surfboard thing.
Enel can basically teleport with his ability, and strike people down from super long range distances. He can shape and manipulate metal, and jump start his heart when it stops beating.

All of this is on top of his Mantra. I am not sure if one would be immune to the other's ability, it is a possibility seeing as both can become pure energy. But even if it were to get down to a fist fight, Enel would have the advantage (see: Mantra.)

All in all, the only thing Ace would have going for him would be, "the will of D."
but who knows, maybe there are other ways of taking Enel down.

One thing I'd like to see would be Ace vs Crocodile. He'd probably turn Crocodile into glass, and keep him as a stylish figurehead :P

Hiruma

01-13-2006, 08:25 PM

ARGHHHHHHHHH. Ace cannot hurt Eneru. Eneru cannot hurt Ace. CASE CLOSED.

Walker

01-13-2006, 08:50 PM

Does mantra work on Earth, or was that just when they were in the sky? Was it ever stated?

bladeslayer

01-14-2006, 04:30 PM

hey does any one no the chapter of the Eneru vs luffy?

Code

01-14-2006, 04:36 PM

Does mantra work on Earth, or was that just when they were in the sky? Was it ever stated?
Well mantra wasn't stated to have any locational limitations as far as I know.

hey does any one no the chapter of the Eneru vs luffy?
The Eneru vs. Luffy fight ends around chapter 294 or so.

TenshiOni

01-14-2006, 04:41 PM

Eneru vs. Luffy takes place over the course of 278-298, not taking into account quite a few sidestories and the Norman flashbacks, though.

tri-sapphire

01-20-2006, 09:04 AM

This battle mostly depends on the location.

One of Eneru's main advantages in Skypiea, were the properties of the clouds. Without those special clouds, Eneru's judgment and advent attacks would have been nowhere near what they were in the sky. I doubt he'd be able to destroy as much as a mountain if he were fighting on the blue sea.

And as for Eneru's mantra...Luffy beat the heck out of Eneru, even after he stopped resorting to gomu gomu baka, and the reflection technique. Ace could beat down Luffy with ease, before he even gained his firefist. That should tell you something about Ace's close combat skills in comparison with Luffy's. And again, Luffy was able to keep up with, and hit Eneru, even after he stopped using instinct to overlook Eneru's mantra.

Anyways, if the fight takes place in Skypiea, then Eneru could simply annihilate the ground beneath them and take to the clouds.

If it takes place on a random island in the blue seas, then Ace should be able to take this battle.

Hiruma

01-20-2006, 10:40 AM

But Ace cannot hurt Eneru. The only reason Luffy could was because he was rubber.

scipioafricanus

01-20-2006, 11:53 AM

jaks5555

01-21-2006, 03:28 PM

i though Eneru was a logia and logia become there element. like ace is fire has a fire body. smoker is smoker has a smoker so eneru is lighting and has a lighting body. it would explain how he can move so fast.

Orotachi

01-27-2006, 02:50 AM

If Ace makes a giant ball of fire(the same size as RAIGO) could it be even?

Chizniz

02-07-2006, 09:57 PM

I would have to give this one to Ace. Enerl's body is not made of lighting he is only able to control it, also since he has a normal body it means he will get burn't by Aces flames meaning he will loose. Another piont is that Enel's lighting will not have any effect on Ace as when he unleashes his devil friut his body becomes flames. So there you have it, easy as that Ace clearly has this one.

Ummm, dont you remember the scene where Kamakiri (or what ever his name was) spent like 5 minutes stabbing Enel with his spear. The spear went through his head and chest etc. and there was electricity where ever his spear pierced. Enel was just sitting there yawning, and after Kamakiri's 5 minutes were up, he got fried.
Also, you have to remeber that the only person who could touch Enel was Luffy because he's rubber. Anyone else who made direct contact with Enel got toasted.
Oh and of course, he could turn into lighting and teleport all over the island too.
Logia users can generate, become, and manipulate their respective elements. If he could only shoot lightning, then I guess that would classify him as Paramecia.

Tenrow

02-08-2006, 01:52 AM

I think that there is no such thing as a winner in a battle between 2 paramecia fights, unless both opponents had respective opposite elements (IE fire and ice, wind and smoke, earth and lightning) In most cases I think if enel and ace were to fight against each other they would just create a huge electrified flame, like ace versus smoker kinda deal

dragonofraven

02-08-2006, 01:48 PM

This thing still going on? Well, I say Ace. When it comes to two elementalists with neither having an elemental advantage over the other, then it comes to the more skilled. Now, just because one is fire and one is lightning doesn't mean that they're attacks won't do anything. When it comes down to it, electric will hurt Ace and fire will hurt Ener. I say Ace wins because he's obviously a major player in the One Piece world, he's more skilled and should be able to kick Ener around pretty bad.

Lord Of Reapers

02-08-2006, 07:30 PM

Tenrow

02-15-2006, 02:51 AM

Eneru all the way. As stated Luffy was able to touch him because he was rubber, and after seeing that physical hits cannot hurt him, I went over to his side. I havent seen what Ace is fully capable of yet, and until I do (which i hope will happen in the near future) I wont change my mind.
You have to realize that the fact is that all paramecia types have changed the structure of the body within the person. If Luffy were to have fought Ace, he would have probably melted, if it were the same case as Eneru vs Luffy. This is the biggest ish I have about this fight, the big question that is posed to me would be can fire be shocked and can electricty be burned. I think that there are some physical limitations in one piece, so that's why I stated before that a fight between 2 paramecia types are completely pointless, unless the 2 fighters are opposing elements.