Nickelodean's "Avatar: The Last Airbender" Discusion

[pavister]

did all the avatar eps disappear off youtube =(

[WolfKiDD]

the most recent one is still on just search avatar 38 or 218 or somethin

[ViolentlyHappy]

I don't think they're missing, they're just broken into parts. Like partA, partB, and partC. They have to do that so they don't get slapped with a copyright fine. :wink

[Deathinstinct]

I don't think they're missing, they're just broken into parts. Like partA, partB, and partC. They have to do that so they don't get slapped with a copyright fine. :wink
You don't really believe that do you? They are just as illegal broken up as they are as a whole.

did all the avatar eps disappear off youtube =(
I think a lot of them have, but most of the recent videos are still up. It works easiest if you search for the name of the episode, instead of the number.

[NeoDreamer]

well of course it's illegal, but I don't think anyone really cares, it's been going on for awhile now, took them long enough to get them off youtube. I think I found the whole cowboy bebop movie on youtube, it was pretty good quality.

[Chatulio]

Question is it true that they have Katara and Zuko getting together?

[Shika-Chou]

Question is it true that they have Katara and Zuko getting together?

Well they have a moment where they talk alone but I wouldn't go so far to say that they actually get together. I would have to watch the episode first before I make any conclusions~

[warrior1000]

Question is it true that they have Katara and Zuko getting together?

i hope not, i mean Aang has been with her since the beginning of the show. He even took her to a waterbending master in the north pole, and Katara never notices him, except in one episode. Where's the love for the young avatar?

[NeoDreamer]

called nasty rape of our young avatar..he's like 2 or 3yrs younger than her.

and anyways...it's obvious aang "loves" katara, he says so in the preview for the next ep "the guru" as part 1 of the season finale airing this friday.

[2Shea]

Watching the finale right now... pretty good so far :)

[delirium]

Wow.. what a way to end a season. What an uberly bad note.

[Chatulio]

What an awesome ending :nuts i can't believe zuko would do that though :(

[monk3]

OH GOD. THAT WAS AMAZING.

AN ORGASM IN EPISODE FORM

[kakoishii]

firtst off let me say OMG they talked about chakra. That was an awesome surprise. Secondly the fact that Toph can bend iron now is beyond awesome, further proof that Toph is as badass as one can get :P Secondly that Zutara part was hyped up so much but nothing happened. Argh! Why did Zuko have to go and join back up with the fire nation?! His character was showing so much progress and developement, for him to join Azula's side is going like 10 steps back in his charcter developement, that's so annoying! God, I think I'm the only one getting sick of all these Katang moments, do something else god! Lastly the ending was such downer. First off Aang didn't even master his avatar state when he had the chance and now he'll never be able to do it (he decided to let go of katara too late!), secondly the whole firenation attack is completely ruined, second ba sing se is completely undersieged and there isn't a single STRONG nation left in the world they seek help from. Well, I seriously am wondering how they're gonna come back from this one.

[Chatulio]

^About chakra its not really a suprise since that is a common ideal with the eastern society. I still hold out hope that Zuku will turn in the end to stop his family. I also predict the last alliance of the elements. North/south pole + remnant earth benders + the last of the air benders.

[Noodle]

That was a damn good ending to a season, though, in my opinion, not as good as the seige of the North Pole. I wonder if Zuko is up to something or if he's just seriously conflicted. He stated during the fight " I have changed". He had such tremendous character development this season that I doubt that the writers will throw it all away. It'd be much harder for him to gain any sort of trust from Aang and company though. Might he liberate Ba Sing Se? He looked like he improved a lot during the fight. He was going toe to toe with Katara, who was definetly handling Azula. She would have lost had Zuko not stepped in (but then Azula was handling Aang pretty well too. So is Katata>Aang?).

Zuko was just such an instrumental character if you think about it. He was the reason that Ba Sing Se fell. Had he sided against Azula, there is no way she could have won. Zuko somehow vastly improved, Katara was uber, Aang, while he underperformed, was still a powerful opponent. Had the Dai Li shown up, they would have sided against Azula upon her defeat, or at worst been owned by Aang in the Avatar State. Even if he hadn't gone into the Avatar State, they had Iroh in reserves, and Toph and Sokka would have shown up. Their combined force could have certainly taken down the 28 (if I counted right) Dai Li agents present.

What happened to the Water Tribe Warriors though? And the real Kyoshi warriors? Will the Guru show up again? Did Aang master the Avatar State? If so, what implications does that hold for the AangxKatara pairing, which they seem to love hinting at. Writers have got some stuff to get on.

On a final note, I think that Zuko is going to turn on Azula. He's been built up for the whole second season. I highly doubt that he's going to go back to being his old self. But then, I still trust Snape.

[Alálà]

@kakoishii
Sad you didn't like it. I enjoyed it. Brought up some unexpected turns.

The fact that Aang left the guru was surprising. And then the idea that the two old sage like characters (Iroh and the Guru) have combating concepts to help Aang. Most interesting.

And Aang lost. Going all avatar-esque and was impaled in the back. Now he has a scar just like Zuko.

All the bending was excellent here. And as for the story, hmm, I really don't know what the good guys can do now. They got whooped. A whooped good. Best bet would be to go back to the northern water tribe and maybe unite the water forces from there.

[NeoDreamer]

lol you said "secondly" twice haha.

ok ok..sorry about that.

but I agree with you on everything you said.

the whole katara/aang love story is very annoying to me too.

I was really hoping the scar would disappear or something...with that water.

but he fucked up so he needs that scar to remind him that daddy isn't someone he needs love from anymore..I mean c'mon..he betrays the one and only person that has always loved him...it's sad.

I hope zuko wises up..and looks like uncle iroh is gonna be in prison.

I can't believe the dai li would betray the earth kingdom..

I think 3rd season whenever it comes will start with aang/company heading to the guru to get help.

last note:

AVATAR STATE= nine tails demon power overwhelming naruto.

[kakoishii]

@kakoishii
Sad you didn't like it. I enjoyed it. Brought up some unexpected turns.

The fact that Aang left the guru was surprising. And then the idea that the two old sage like characters (Iroh and the Guru) have combating concepts to help Aang. Most interesting.

And Aang lost. Going all avatar-esque and was impaled in the back. Now he has a scar just like Zuko.

All the bending was excellent here. And as for the story, hmm, I really don't know what the good guys can do now. They got whooped. A whooped good. Best bet would be to go back to the northern water tribe and maybe unite the water forces from there.

Who said I didn't like it? I thought it was awesome it's just the ending was disapointing along with Zuko's undevelopement. It's not that surprising that Aang's avatar state failed, afterall the guru did say that if he left he'd never be able to go avatar state at all.

[Chatulio]

Who here was thinking Star wars during this episode? I mean Aang leaving guru screams luke and yoda. The whole avatar state then getting shot down was basically Luke vs. Vader.

[Iria]

Wow, the Zutara thing WAS definitely built up.

But damn, the bending was awesome! Katara is amazing and Toph bending metal...Crazy :nuts

[Wolfshinobi]

I really like this show. I am sad though, because I missed the season 2 finale. I have to watch it another way.

[NeoDreamer]

don't worry shinobi, it'll b on tomorrow morning if your in the US. at I believe 10:30am ...you might wanna check www.tvguide.com/listings and look at tomorrow mornings showings..to make sure.


OK READ THIS TOO

looks like season 1 started in feb of 05, and took off break for july and august..season 2 started in march of 06..took off in august and most of october..cept for 1 week..so that stands to reason that season 3 will b march or april debut...but with the loss of mako in season 2..they'll need to find a new VA for him..since he didn't die...least I don't think.

so about 3 or 4 months w/o new avatar..I can't wait..but I will :)

hope that makes some people less stressed on dates.

[delirium]

Azula may have gotten Aang this time.. but Aang beat her in The Drill. Katara has gotten really good though. Almost out of no where. It seems as they go through more battles.. she pulls something new out of her.

[Shika-Chou]

The season finale was awesome but I'm somewhat dissapointed with the ending. I liked how season 1 ended where we had some closure in that team Aang succeeded in saving the northern tribe and there was a brief moment of rest before they started their adventure again. The end of book 2 is just anothing evil cliffhanger with no new episodes in the near future. I suppose it can't always be so neatly resolved.

It's too bad Zuko can't get it through his head who the real bad guys are. It would have been cool to see Katara get rid of that scar, too~

Toph metalbending = awesome!!

I'd also like to add I find the romances in the show to be incredibly annoying >_>

[Wolfshinobi]

don't worry shinobi, it'll b on tomorrow morning if your in the US. at I believe 10:30am ...you might wanna check www.tvguide.com/listings and look at tomorrow mornings showings..to make sure.

Thanks NeoDreamer! You just made my night. :amuse

[Hat Hair]

Those were pretty good episodes, though the pacing was a bit uneven. Things started off slow and then went into overdrive; it felt as if we could have gotten another episode out of this whole thing. Not to say that I couldn't take my eyes away from the finale's finale. Aang was surprisingly ineffective in the four-way, being the least impressive of the combatants and ultimately his indecision cost the war against the Fire Nation when he chose to surrender to his desires versus his cosmic duty. I feel bad for the little guy. The introduction of the seven chakra went a long way towards developing his character, displaying his strengths and weaknesses.

Toph is starting to remind me of Zoro from One Piece, almost as if she's there just to be a badass. Not that it is a bad thing, but her non-impact has been standing out to me.

Sokka's subplot didn't really add anything to the episodes, though I imagine the small contigence of water tribe members will be allying with the Avatar next season more closely. He could also use a more diverse fighting style since he seems to be falling along the wayside in terms of that.

Boscoe is smarter than Zuko.

And what's Bumi doing all this time ? Being neutral is all well and good, but the man needs to make a move. Assuming that he still can.

[JB the Jedi]

Wow can u say best ep yet?

Season Finale delivered in Awesomeness. Katara was the MVP :D, she did her thing with her water bending. Aang just gave me chills when he used those green rocks ( kryptonite xD ) as an armor. As for Zuko he dissapointed the hell outta me. :cry
I'm not so crazy about Toph bending metal yet.

Definatly can't wait for the new season to start.

[Noodle]

Zuko has got to be up to somehting, that or we'll get even crazier character development in Book Three. If Zuko goes evil again just like that, after ALLLLLLLL that build-up, I seriously think that the writers are screwy in the head.

[delirium]

I think it's more that.. even after the whole "I've changed" deal.. he's still confused. He's obviously giving his actions second thoughts.. And who's gonna teach Aang fire bending? 'cept for Iroh.

[Rukie]

All of Iroh's teachings that went into Zuko throughout the season were wasted. What a complete dissappointment. Toph bending metal, though, was awesome. Katara also kicked major butt in the finale. And poor Iroh. He will never be the same, not without Mako behind his voice.

Who else loves the depressing Mai? "Just take the bear." She doesn't even wanna fight. :nuts :nuts :nuts And does this mean that Bosco and the Earth King have joined the party now? :amazed

[kakoishii]

Zuko has got to be up to somehting, that or we'll get even crazier character development in Book Three. If Zuko goes evil again just like that, after ALLLLLLLL that build-up, I seriously think that the writers are screwy in the head.

that's what I thought too, for them destroy a whole season of developement is annoying as hell. It's so annoying that even if he does realize he's being a douchebag it just won't make up for it. Ugh, how can still care about his father. Isn't it blantantly obvious to him now that his father doesn't love/care about him and it's because of him that his mother who actually DID love him left him.

@JB008 you're crazy if you think that Katara outshined Toph in the finale. Don't get me wrong Katara did some awesome stuff, but Toph broke an earthbending taboo by bending iron, that takes the win.

not sure what it is with the romance, but for some reason the romance in avatar has been so overdone that I could care less who ends up with who etc. I dunno the writers just found a way to kill that aspect for me.

[warrior1000]

The finale was good

I think iroh is going to teach aang fire bending, they will probably rescue him from ba sing se.

I dont like the Dai li, i mean they gave up their city just like that to the fire nation. Long fang is probably going to double cross Azula and help Aang.

as for Zuko,he has become very unpredictable, i dont know what he is going to do.

[Mat®icha]

omg i havnt watched it yet, any dd links pls, hurry up:yellpls
cant wait for it.

[NeoDreamer]

lol..doubtful yet.

but it will re-air on nickelodeon saturday morning..tomorrow.

at 10am central time..so that's 11am eastern, and 8am pacific..if I added, subtracted the time zones correctly..well pscific I'm never sure if it's the same as eastern for certain shows..

like i told shinobi just check www.tvguide.com/listings..and make sure it's ur provider and in ur area.

[2Shea]

All in all it was a good episode, and a good ending to the season. Honestly, I can't say that I'm happy with how things went with Zuko, but hey I liked everything else lol. Oh well I definately can't wait for Book 3 (the final book?!), and I'm anxious to get the DVDs for Book 2 aswell.

Oh well, overall great Finale, and I really want to watch this episode again lol.

[Chatulio]

Who here was thinking Star wars during this episode? I mean Aang leaving guru screams luke and yoda. The whole avatar state then getting shot down was basically Luke vs. Vader.

[Soxfan17]

Holy shit what an episdoe. I cant get over the fact that Toph can bend metal now. She just took her biggest weakness and turned it to a BIG if not biggest strength. Other then Aang does this make her the strongest in the anime?

I always thought they would have 4 books just like the 4 elements. But i dont see how they can drag this out for 2 more seasons. Man Aang and the gang were so close to ending the war. Now they have to retreat and dont even know if Aang gonna be ok.

I LOVE a twist in a season finale and this was great i cant wait till the next season. So many new questions right now going thru my head.

[kakoishii]

^Avatar isn't an anime it's just a cartoon. Book 3 will undoubtedly be the last book considering each book was titled after the element he would master that season and since it already has air mastered Book 3 will be fire.

[Noodle]

^Avatar isn't an anime it's just a cartoon. Book 3 will undoubtedly be the last book considering each book was titled after the element he would master that season and since it already has air mastered Book 3 will be fire.

I dunno, I wouldn't put it past them to draw it out for four seasons, especially after the unexpected twist that we just saw. Of course, i'm just saying that becasue I want more episodes.

[kakoishii]

I dunno, I wouldn't put it past them to draw it out for four seasons, especially after the unexpected twist that we just saw. Of course, i'm just saying that becasue I want more episodes.
to be honest if they did I'd be kind of upset. After Aang learns firebending all that's left is to crush the fire nation and then restore peace end of story. Considering how long it took him to master earth bending it should take a single season for him to learn fire bending and defeat the firelord. For them to stretch it an extra season would be overkill, and I don't codone stretching things out just so the creator can milk the cash cow. Though, if they wanted to have a move to complete the series that I wouldn't mind.

[2Shea]

Well avatar is just as much an anime as anything else. I know to most people it's not, because it's American created, but it's animated in Korea, just like alot of anime are. But yeah, I don't consider it an anime really either, but this isn't a bad thing.

ANYWAY! I don't see them doing more than 3 Books, but it's always possible. I can't say I would mind them going on after Book 3, as long as the story stays as good as it has been. Oh well, guess we'll just have to see. I'm sure Book 3 will be quite action packed and all that.

[Hangatýr]

I need a fucking decent torrent link.

[kakoishii]

^check mininova.org, C-W probably has a torrent link up by now for avatar.

[NeoDreamer]

yeah 3 will likely be the final book, they could do a 4th ..like an after firenation is defeated type deal...but that's up to them..and of course aang didn't really master water bending till 1/4 into book 2...so it's very possible...and we don't really know when in terms of months the eclipse will happen and then in months when the comet will come. but i saw on a couple different sources

that in thing titled "avatar renewed for season 3" they kept saying he will meet the firelord..so yeah.

[@lk3mizt]

um could someone help me here? how can i get avatar? i need to download em. i'd appreciate it if you give links to a site. thanks!!

[darkviper]

i actually like this show its pretty good once you get into the story line. and its not a rip-off its just another show with a powerful kid and nations from all the elementss

[darkviper]

oh my i take everything that i said back..
i just found some similarities....

7 chakra's ang needs to open to master the avatar state
very similar to lee's gates to do the lotus.

there is a girl in avatar that uses pressure points to stop energy slow just like
Neji & Hinata.

Kitara can heal just like Sakura and they are both the love interest of the main character.

thats all that i can think of right now, but if i do remember some more ill be back.

[delirium]

oh my i take everything that i said back..
i just found some similarities....

7 chakra's ang needs to open to master the avatar state
very similar to lee's gates to do the lotus.

there is a girl in avatar that uses pressure points to stop energy slow just like
Neji & Hinata.

Kitara can heal just like Sakura and they are both the love interest of the main character.

Sorry.. but Naruto DID NOT create the idea of chakra. It's such an OLD idea and has much influence on asian culture.

[Hanabi]

I hate Avatar. It's not funny and it's bited off of Naruto. And also, it's full of LOOKATUSWE'REAZNLOL.

[Emery]

I just d/led the season finale.

I did NOT expect Zuko to side with the fire nation, but I'm happy he did. It was a cool twist. The fight at the end was effing awesome.


And I'm pretty sure they'll do four books

Water, Earth, Fire, and Air.

Something tells me there's going to be more to deal with than just the fire nation.


And Hanabi, it doesn't bite off of Naruto at all. If I'm right, it came out BEFORE Naruto even came out in English. So don't give anyone that bullshit.

[Mat®icha]

could someone pls upload the episode somewhere pls. other than megaupload, all the rest are ok, like: rapidshare, sendspace, megashares..........

some1

[Niko Bellic]

no not really

avatar-hes 100 years old not 12 and he was born to be a hero thats why hes the avatar

naruto-no one liked naruto beginning of the series and they didn't have faith in him

not similar to avatar

[C_Akutabi]

7 chakra's ang needs to open to master the avatar state
very similar to lee's gates to do the lotus.

Chakra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra)

Besides, Lee has eight gates and opening each has dire consequences. Gaining control of the Avatar state is a plus that looked to have no side effects besides giving up his love for Kitara.

there is a girl in avatar that uses pressure points to stop energy slow just like
Neji & Hinata.

It's called Dim Mak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dim_Mak)

Kitara can heal just like Sakura and they are both the love interest of the main character.

Except Kitara's actually useful most of the time and isn't hung up on another guy.

Not refering to you but I am sick and tired of people saying it's ripping of Naruto this way and that.

As it's been said many, many times before, Avatar is meticulous in how it uses Asian marital arts. The fact they both use similar sources is why they're so similar.

[kakoishii]

I just d/led the season finale.

I did NOT expect Zuko to side with the fire nation, but I'm happy he did. It was a cool twist. The fight at the end was effing awesome.


And I'm pretty sure they'll do four books

Water, Earth, Fire, and Air.

Something tells me there's going to be more to deal with than just the fire nation.


And Hanabi, it doesn't bite off of Naruto at all. If I'm right, it came out BEFORE Naruto even came out in English. So don't give anyone that bullshit.

I still disagree. The books represent the element that Aang will master/learn in that season. It would be pointless to have an air book considering (1)Aang already knows how to air bend (2)even if there was more for him to learn, the air tribe is all but wiped out. There's no one left to teach him anything new.
It's not to say that it wouldn't be nice if there was another season, but I don't want them to keep going with it just for the sake of fans and the money. I don't want the series to seem endless and last longer than it should.

[Megaharrison]

It's clear that there will be an air book and a fire book. Thus, we have reached the half way point in the series.

Next season should focus on the history, culture, and secrets of the Air Nomads. Perhaps we'll even find a surviving tribe of them. I predict the final book will be Fire, climaxing in a duel between Aang (with mastery of all 4 elements/avatar state) and Ozai (powered up by the meteor).

And last nights season finale certainly had the biggest WTF moment of Avatar history...

Seriously, I thought it was 100% certain Zuko would reject Azula and side with his Uncle. Then when he appeared in front of Aang I was all "awww, he's coming to help Azula". When he turns around and attacks Aang...Big WTF.

Great plot twist there, and the season ended on a very bleak note. I liked that.

[darkviper]

to add to my previous list the avatars "avatar state" is very similar to naruto in the red fox state

[Shika-Chou]

I remember reading somewhere there would only be three books. Too bad I can't find that link... :sweat

[kakoishii]

I remember reading somewhere there would only be three books. Too bad I can't find that link... :sweat

hope you find that it'll serve as further proof.
It's clear that there will be an air book and a fire book. Thus, we have reached the half way point in the series.

Next season should focus on the history, culture, and secrets of the Air Nomads. Perhaps we'll even find a surviving tribe of them. I predict the final book will be Fire, climaxing in a duel between Aang (with mastery of all 4 elements/avatar state) and Ozai (powered up by the meteor).

And last nights season finale certainly had the biggest WTF moment of Avatar history...

Seriously, I thought it was 100% certain Zuko would reject Azula and side with his Uncle. Then when he appeared in front of Aang I was all "awww, he's coming to help Azula". When he turns around and attacks Aang...Big WTF.

Great plot twist there, and the season ended on a very bleak note. I liked that.
It isn't clear until directly stated by a reliable source. Give me that and I'll believe you. It was stated at comicon at the avatar pannel that Aang will come across an easter (or western can't remember) air tribe of women, but hardly think that constitutes a whole book most likely an episode in the next book which will most likely be fire. Sorry but a 4th book would almost be overkill. Think of this book as the climax of the entire series. For their to be 2 following books would making the falling action leading to the finale drawn out.

[Mat®icha]

for those who havnt watched yet. half of the episode, yet.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=NickShowLover

rapid links:

http://rapidshare.com/files/5810290/219-220.Avatar.The_Guru.The_Crossroads_of_Destiny.part 1.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/5806185/219-220.Avatar.The_Guru.The_Crossroads_of_Destiny.part 2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/5807756/219-220.Avatar.The_Guru.The_Crossroads_of_Destiny.part 3.rar

[ExAzrael]

I dont' know why people think this show is ripping on naruto. There are no ninjas involved, and Elemental manipulation is the focus of the show, unlike Naruto.

BAH!

Anyway, I <3 this show, it's really the best thing to happen to Nick in a while.

GOD DAMN YOU ZUKO! WHY CAN'T YOU STOP BEING A DOUCHEBAG!?

[Mat®icha]

i dunnowhy but i'm soooooooooooooooooooooooooo sad. this episode really makes me sad. all that zuko being back to asshole and aang cant finish avatar stuff. but they all are very well improved. tohp is indeed greatest earth bender. she's soooooooooooooooooo cool. but yet i'm still sad:(

[Omega id]

Well I dont want to sound like the last guy (but I got no choice). My friend is really into Avatar (and he really hates Naruto - considering the only time he saw Naruto is when it aired on Cartoon Network). However, on first glimpse at the anime there were some elements on there that did remind me of Naruto (not saying its an americanized naruto, who knows, maybe it is, I dont care). The show isn't that bad though.

I only saw one or two episodes, but I already got a favorite character, and its that neji-like girl with the funky eyes and she can detect the sound waves that pass through the earth or some shit like that, lol. She was pretty cool when she tried to prove her father wrong and started fighting those bad guys regardless of the fact that she is blind. I might watch it from start but... meh... I donno. maybe.

[delirium]

I don't know if you watched the finale.. But Toph is even MORE badass than usual. And she's usually pretty bad ass.

[Soxfan17]

^^word. Shes so bad ass that where gonna have to to make up a new word for her. Also i never knew that Aang was scared of the fire lord. I cant see how he can beat him without the avatar state.

Is Azula and Zuko teamed up strong enough to over throw the fire lord? I mean they did finally get the earth kingdom. Something there father could never do.

[TDW]

I just started this show about a month ago or so, all caught up and such. Im really impressed with this show. Very good character development and storyline.

Loved the season finale, but still, Ive been reading around and cant believe the hype that there has been for a Katara x Zuko (no insult to anybody that does like this pairing of course). Ive NEVER been one for pairing in any show, but Ive felt compelled in this show. Its one of the things that draws me in to it. But Zuko has done SO much betrayal and has tried to hurt Aang several times, why would Katara in her right mind want to go with someone that has hurt her friends on many occasions???

Thats why I was so happy with this finale, I think it showed so much emotion between Aang and Katara, and I hope that the finale showed that Aang even when he thought he was letting go showed that he can never trully let go of her (with him falling in the imagery at the end, just like the previous time when he couldnt let go of her).

I dont think there were any spoilers in this thing that you wouldnt understand unless you've seen the finale. But I really like this show, unusual for me I thought, but it really is a keeper.

[some_guy]

Well I dont want to sound like the last guy (but I got no choice). My friend is really into Avatar (and he really hates Naruto - considering the only time he saw Naruto is when it aired on Cartoon Network). However, on first glimpse at the anime there were some elements on there that did remind me of Naruto (not saying its an americanized naruto, who knows, maybe it is, I dont care). The show isn't that bad though.

I only saw one or two episodes, but I already got a favorite character, and its that neji-like girl with the funky eyes and she can detect the sound waves that pass through the earth or some shit like that, lol. She was pretty cool when she tried to prove her father wrong and started fighting those bad guys regardless of the fact that she is blind. I might watch it from start but... meh... I donno. maybe.

At a superficial level, it may seem like Naruto, but only because both shows draw upon past ideas. Neither Naruto and Avatar invented ideas on chakra, chi, elements, good vs. evil, and balance. These are all Eastern ideas that both shows drew upon, which may make Avatar seem to rip of Naruto. However, once you get past the surface, you'll find Avatar stands on its own two legs.

I think the major difference is the characters. Avatar seems to have much better fleshed out characters. Characters in Naruto seemed to be defined by one thing, and seem very static. Compare Sasuke and Zuko. Both seem like the brooding emo kid, but look at the transformation Zuko went through in seaon 2, before his slide back into darkness. He's not the same person he was in season 1, that's for sure. Compared with Sasuke, I don't remember seeing any change in his attitude from episode 1. All the characters in the show have growth.

Also, since Avatar is created by Westerners, the girls in the show aren't useless love freaks, who's only goal in life is to get a guy (Hinata, Ino, and Sakura). Every main girl in the show are strong characters, and they aren't defined by the guy they're chasing.

Finally, the production values of Avatar is amazing. The world of Avatar is very well fleshed out, with every single bending style drawing from a real life martial arts. The mythology of the show is great, and its all connected. The animation is beautiful (save for the season finale, WTF happened?), and every fight is choreographed with the help of a martial arts master. All in all, just give it a try. Find (with BT or youtube) Season 1, and start from there. If by the 4rd episode, and you still don't like it, jump to the Storm and then Blue Spirit. If these don't draw you in, then don't watch it, it's probably not for you.

[darkviper]

Chakra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra)

Besides, Lee has eight gates and opening each has dire consequences. Gaining control of the Avatar state is a plus that looked to have no side effects besides giving up his love for Kitara.



It's called Dim Mak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dim_Mak)



Except Kitara's actually useful most of the time and isn't hung up on another guy.

Not refering to you but I am sick and tired of people saying it's ripping of Naruto this way and that.

As it's been said many, many times before, Avatar is meticulous in how it uses Asian marital arts. The fact they both use similar sources is why they're so similar.

i didnt say it was ripping naruto off i said that it has many similarities

[C_Akutabi]

i didnt say it was ripping naruto off i said that it has many similarities

I never said you said it ripped off Naruto.

[TDW]

Shouldnt really compare the two with just like chakra and stuff like that, since thats a major part of asian cultures, especially buddhist which more or less Aang is the most like with the monk life.
Also comparing any show to Naruto, is like comparing DBZ to Naruto... you know you can easily do it... but you know you really shouldnt

And I dont know if Aang actually gave up his love (since he fell at the end, just like before in the imagery when he didnt the first time, as I said)... at least i hope (is Aanga x Katara fan if it wasnt obvious in these two posts)

[Iijyanaika]

the people who compare avatar to naruto, and say it's ripping naruto off are just -ignorant-

avatar's mythos is based heavily on hinduism/buddhism, wushu theory/application. china/korea/japan, india, inuits.

the creators were influenced by miyazaki, samurai champloo, and others, but when you watch the show you see things like the kundalini, bagua, yiching, etc.

[Megaharrison]

I don't see what the big deal between the Naruto and Avatar similarities is. OMG THEY BOTH USE ELEMENTS!!!1111 Who the Hell cares, both shows are enjoyable.

Avatar also draws more influence from non-Japanese Asian cultures anyway. Each nation can be seen as reflecting a culture of Asia.

Earth Kingdom = Mainland China. From the building designs, to the giant wall, to the names of things they are very similar. Also, they are the physically largest state in the Avatar world, like China is in Asia. Lastly, it is run by a rather isolated Emperor. The way much of China was run for centuries.

Air Nomads = The monks of Tibet and the Himalayas. The similarities on the ideas the 2 groups shared, their monestary life, and their mountain based culture indicates this.

Water Tribe = Inuits. A Tribal based hunting culture in cold areas. Their apperances are also very similar.

Fire Nations = Japan. A highly aggressive and brutal island nation that sees itself as having a natural right to conquer the known world. It uses new and modern weapons to achieve these aims. Historically, when Japan began importing Western technology in the late 1800's it became this way. The way the Fire Nation is shown in the series would reflect the way many Asian cultures such as China and Korea view the Japanese.


These aren't confirmed facts, but just observations myself and many others have noticed.

[Nizuma Eiji]

Wow!!! I just saw this episode an hour ago, because of my constant missings of the episode. Its just fucked that Zuko would betray the only person who's ever given you the time of day. But on the bright side at least those little filler episodes should stop. I mean now every nation has fallen, except for the northern water tribe. I think there's not going to be as many light hearted episodes if any after this season. I mean they're now about to fight the fire lord. I'll be really shocked if any episode isn't as serious as the finale.

[Alálà]

I think the major difference is the characters. Avatar seems to have much better fleshed out characters. Characters in Naruto seemed to be defined by one thing, and seem very static. Compare Sasuke and Zuko. Both seem like the brooding emo kid, but look at the transformation Zuko went through in seaon 2, before his slide back into darkness. He's not the same person he was in season 1, that's for sure. Compared with Sasuke, I don't remember seeing any change in his attitude from episode 1. All the characters in the show have growth.

This is because Avatar has less characters and can, therefore, divulge more deeply into each. This is more common in west storylines for some reason, while eastern stories expand.

It also worth noting that Avatar, in its base form, is an animated story. While Naruto, in its base form, is a story of still frame shots. Planning a story for manga/comic is different than planning it for an anime/cartoon. For one, perhaps the most important, is keeping the audience interested. The movement and music and voices can keep an animated story very much alive. Traditional media stories can't do that. So to cover that, you need new characters, more like a plethora of characters to get an idea of the world.

Also, since Avatar is created by Westerners, the girls in the show aren't useless love freaks, who's only goal in life is to get a guy (Hinata, Ino, and Sakura). Every main girl in the show are strong characters, and they aren't defined by the guy they're chasing.

This is a Kishimoto thing, not a western vs. eastern thing. Sad he is like this, I truly believe the lore of ninjas is one of the few that can use the male and/or female sex equally. One of the main faults I find with Naruto. Could've been done differently, Kishimoto... it could have been done differently.

Finally, the production values of Avatar is amazing.

It surely is. :P Western storytellers are finally picking up on some things. First it was Teen Titans. I feel that really changed things in the west. Though it was from DC. Now Avatar came out, completely original and no boundaries it had to fit to like Teen Titans. I really hope the west further proceeds on this path, it is really worth it.

It's okay to compare Naruto and Avatar. Just don't think one ripped off another. Like, for me, I like Avatar's system of incorporating elements better than Naruto's. Then again, I like the genjutsus, ninjutsus, seals, taijutsu in Naruto (though I think Kishimoto messed up by kinda abandoning the logic behind doing handseals).

What I liked about Naruto in the beginning was that jutsus and attacks weren't extravagant (one of the main things that attracted me to the series seeing as my last taste of such things was DBZ). Yuyu Hakusho did this very well also. People were able to fight in a ring without some sideline suspecter saying "let's get out of here, he's going to blow up the world!!" Now I feel Naruto lost that feel. Naruto's crater while practicing his jutsu. Tsunade and Sakura's earth shattering punches. Sasuke blowing up an entire cave just by yawning when Sai woke him up. Avatar battles a more controlled and not as much about colossal destructive power.

[Nico]

I believe the next season will bring more of a lead in the story.

[kakoishii]

What I liked about Naruto in the beginning was that jutsus and attacks weren't extravagant (one of the main things that attracted me to the series seeing as my last taste of such things was DBZ). Yuyu Hakusho did this very well also. People were able to fight in a ring without some sideline suspecter saying "let's get out of here, he's going to blow up the world!!" Now I feel Naruto lost that feel. Naruto's crater while practicing his jutsu. Tsunade and Sakura's earth shattering punches. Sasuke blowing up an entire cave just by yawning when Sai woke him up. Avatar battles a more controlled and not as much about colossal destructive power.

Not quite :P Toph could move mountains (litterally), Katara could empty oceans, and Azula could set fire to entire nation. Mind you Aang could probably do all of this at the same time in the Avatar state, so in a way it's almost a rule of thumb of shounen like series to include overly destructive elements after all even Yuyu Hakusho lost its sense of controlled power once the series headed toward the Sensui arc. DBZ just happens to be the most destructive on the list.

[warrior1000]

i know zuko did a very asshole move by siding with azula, but sinse the finally began i have had the feeling that Zuko's matamorphsis is not done. He is still deciding, and the biggest challenge he will face is Azula and his father. He has to overcome this to become a man. The unpredictble nature of Zuko is still in effect, i hope he sides with his Uncle.

On the other hand, Aang sems to be developing alot of respect for Iroh.

[Alálà]

Not quite :P Toph could move mountains (litterally), Katara could empty oceans, and Azula could set fire to entire nation. Mind you Aang could probably do all of this at the same time in the Avatar state, so in a way it's almost a rule of thumb of shounen like series to include overly destructive elements after all even Yuyu Hakusho lost its sense of controlled power once the series headed toward the Sensui arc. DBZ just happens to be the most destructive on the list.

I'm talking about in battle situations. And even then, I don't think none can do what you mentioned. Bumi, surely one of the best earthbenders, showed some strain with moving that large piece of rock when sparring against Aang.

And all didn't watch all of Yuyu Hakusho, but from the parts I remember, it was fairly moderate in its destructive power.

But you see what I'm saying though right? Maybe it's a personal preference to see battles orchestrated like this. Even when the shinobi got into kuchiyose no jutsu, it was a bit iffy. Kakashi's dogs were great. Jiraiya's human height frogs were nice. But those gigantic boss summons bothered me. Especially something like Tsunade's slugs.

[kakoishii]

I'm talking about in battle situations. And even then, I don't think none can do what you mentioned. Bumi, surely one of the best earthbenders, showed some strain with moving that large piece of rock when sparring against Aang.

And all didn't watch all of Yuyu Hakusho, but from the parts I remember, it was fairly moderate in its destructive power.

But you see what I'm saying though right? Maybe it's a personal preference to see battles orchestrated like this. Even when the shinobi got into kuchiyose no jutsu, it was a bit iffy. Kakashi's dogs were great. Jiraiya's human height frogs were nice. But those gigantic boss summons bothered me. Especially something like Tsunade's slugs.

it's true that none of them have done anything close to that in mediocre battles, but what I'm talking about are the BIG battles (besides why would anyone in any series perform battle moves not in a battle. As far as my memory serves the DBZ character were only throwing out super human moves while fighting :huh). Notice as the plot has started to get more intense, what each of them have done in battles has gone that way too. Bumi is a good earth bender, but hell if Toph didn't have the potential to surpass (hell with the metal bending I'd say she has or is pretty close) him then I'm sure he wouldn't have recomended that Aang learn earth bending from her rather than him. Did you see the finale? Katara moved enough water to pretty much drain an ocean if she wanted. The battle was getting intense, I wouldn't have put it past her if she had that ammount of water to bend. Azula definitely would set fire to whole nation I it's completely within her reach to set fire to whole nation. And lastly Aang can pretty much do anything including all of this considering (1)he's the avatar (2) the avatar state gives him near godly power. Considering you've admitted to not having see all of yu yu hakusho, you wouldn't know that the fights in that anime in fact did excalate to the point where the characters could in fact shatter cities if they wanted to. Seriously watch the complete Sensui arc and you'll be amazed at how high their powers escalated as the battles continued to get bigger and bigger.

[Dimezanime20]

Why are people forgetting that Azula shot Aang? He was about to let go of Katara. It wasn't that he didn't or couldn't. He was shot!! And who the fuck said the animation in the finale was off???!

[some_guy]

And who the fuck said the animation in the finale was off???!

It's hard to pinpoint exactly what was wrong with the animation, but I can think of two examples. When Aang looks over to Katara, her octopus move seemed very jerky, as if she was moving too fast or they were skipping frames in the animation.

Other part is when they land to go back to their house to look for Katara. Appa looks like a cardbox cutout since he isn't animated in any way, and the contrast is very strong between him and the background. There are other parts where the faces or movements just seem off.

Granted, these are minor (especially compared to what we see in Naruto fillers), but the sum of all these little things detract from the show. Part of the problem is Avatar has such high expectations. After Season 1's finale, anything less than perfect is a "failure". Watch the animation quality of the Drill during the final fight. I was hoping to have that kind of quality through the season finale, but it just wasn't there.

[Dimezanime20]

It's hard to pinpoint exactly what was wrong with the animation, but I can think of two examples. When Aang looks over to Katara, her octopus move seemed very jerky, as if she was moving too fast or they were skipping frames in the animation.

Other part is when they land to go back to their house to look for Katara. Appa looks like a cardbox cutout since he isn't animated in any way, and the contrast is very strong between him and the background. There are other parts where the faces or movements just seem off.

Granted, these are minor (especially compared to what we see in Naruto fillers), but the sum of all these little things detract from the show. Part of the problem is Avatar has such high expectations. After Season 1's finale, anything less than perfect is a "failure". Watch the animation quality of the Drill during the final fight. I was hoping to have that kind of quality through the season finale, but it just wasn't there.

So you're that kind of person huh? Always expecting the best even when a person tries their best. It wouldn't make sense to argue with you.

[kakoishii]

Why are people forgetting that Azula shot Aang? He was about to let go of Katara. It wasn't that he didn't or couldn't. He was shot!! And who the fuck said the animation in the finale was off???!
Not true, Aang stayed in his crystal barage until he let go of Katara and released the last chakra gate, however because it was too late to begin with the avatar state didn't last. If it was a true Avatar state despite the fact of whether or not Azula shot him he wouldn't have went down.

[NeoDreamer]

I don't think it was the avatar state the guru was talking about..cause that would make aang in full control like guru said he would be.

guru said he'll b able to control it..and know what's happening..it seemed like when he did go into avatar state he wasn't in control..i mean c'mon he was just floating.

[ReikaiDemon]

Zuko probaly took the last chance he might have had to get back with his family, it's not hard to believe that he'd turn on them. Plus Zuko really didn't do anything in his life that he was so truly ashamed of, and he didn't expect his Uncle Iroh to end up being arrested. Zuko wasn't aware of the consequences at the time, and went with the only option that was vivid to him, as it was literally burned into his face, and haunts him for so long. Zuko didn't toss away all the character development he had in the previous books, it's just come to a climax, it's still not over at all.

[kakoishii]

I don't think it was the avatar state the guru was talking about..cause that would make aang in full control like guru said he would be.

guru said he'll b able to control it..and know what's happening..it seemed like when he did go into avatar state he wasn't in control..i mean c'mon he was just floating.

yup what neo said, if it was true avatar state it wouldn't have fizzled out regardless of whether or not Azula shot him.

[Iijyanaika]

yup what neo said, if it was true avatar state it wouldn't have fizzled out regardless of whether or not Azula shot him.

then please tell me, why is it that roku said if aang is "killed" in the avatar state , the cycle will end? please enlighten me, just because he's in the avatar state doesn't mean he's invulnerable.

aang was in the avatar state, though wasn't in control at the moment. like walking through a door-you open the door then walk through. aang opened the gate, but didn't finish the process. but was still in it.

and aang did let go of katara for that moment so he could progress

[KawaiiHime]

I must say I was quite disapointed with the season finale... Like as a pair of episodes they were good, but for a finale... LAME!!! Just wasn't as good as the season one finale in my opinion. Although it was definitely cool to see Toph tearin' up all that metal, she is truly a BEAST!!!!!

Seeing the previews truly brought back my Zutara fan-ness-ish but nooooo Zuko just had to go all meh I want my honor back and go all bad guy on us... How could you Zuko?!?!?!?! Sooo close to Zutara! I blame Aang!!!!! and Iroh! Man could the timing been any worse?! Sooo close.....

The ending left a lotta questions going into the third and final season and I cant wait to have'em answered!

[Chatulio]

The last three episode about Zuko trying to move on with his life were pretty much tossed out the door with the final i mean they were worthless plot development.

[Trias]

They were not worthless, no. They probably will make Zuko change sides once again in later parts of series, obviously. If Zuko were to change sides in the season 2 finale, that would've been something that was expected for such a long time. So they chose the unexpected one. When Zuko really changes sides later on, it'll be much more surprising. Sorta.

[Alálà]

I just thought of something.

For the next season, I think the secret organization Iroh is apart of my start to become active. I think they were called the Lotus, I believe. They could move within Ba Sing Se to free Iroh or someone of the Lotus can seek to teach Aang firebending. I think it'll be interesting to see the Lotus concept back into the story... they brought a lot of mystery and intrigue when mentioned.

[kakoishii]

then please tell me, why is it that roku said if aang is "killed" in the avatar state , the cycle will end? please enlighten me, just because he's in the avatar state doesn't mean he's invulnerable.

aang was in the avatar state, though wasn't in control at the moment. like walking through a door-you open the door then walk through. aang opened the gate, but didn't finish the process. but was still in it.

and aang did let go of katara for that moment so he could progress

At the time Roku told him that he had no control of the avatar state so it was completely possible for him to be killed while he's in it. I never said avatar state made him invulnerable. If he has control he can better protect himself from attacks though. When he was fighting Azula in the finale he didn't have control of the avatar state nor was a true avatar state, other wise he could have reverted her attack better, but because he was at of control and it wasn't a true avatar state Azula was able to shoot him down easily. The avatar state isn't invulnerable, but it also shouldn't be able to brought down so easily (one shot from Azula and you're down? give me a break.). That's just my two cents.

[Iijyanaika]

.......the avatar state is a huge powerup. so let me try and make this a little more clear to you. i'll give you two huge bazookas. as you're loading them up ready to blow shit up, i'll sneak behind you, where you don't see me, and hit you with a tazer.

:D

you're griping about one shot and you're down? azula is releasing lightning. i don't think i really need to go further than that

[kakoishii]

you're comparing a sneak attack to a direct attack. It's not like Azula popped up behind him and shot him in the back. Her attack was blantantly frontal and it wasn't done any faster than she normally does her attacks. Avatar state is a huge powerup and I'd like to think that's an overall powerup (attack powerup and defense). I refuse to believe that a true avatar state is so weak that it can't defend a frontal attack, that would be like Naruto going Kyuubi and Sasuke knocking him into submission with a katon directly after, doesn't make much sense does it?

[warrior1000]

the attack was not frontal, but i agree avatar state can not be so weak.

[Iijyanaika]

he was -not- hit in the front. if you pay attention to the scene. even -before- he comes out of the cystal barrier azula has snuck away. as he's rising, you do not see azula. and when he is hit, you see the main line of lightning coming from behind, and you see aang's back in the reflection of azulas eyes.

comparing naruto and avatar is ridiculous

honestly, i don't know how many more times i can keep pointing the obvious. my analogy was pretty spot on. but since you think the avatar state has such a high defense. i guess in the episode -the desert- katara must be the strongest bender in the series because she just walked effortlessly over to aang, while he was in the avatar state and then she hugged him.

i still fail to see where you make a valid argument

[kakoishii]

he was -not- hit in the front. if you pay attention to the scene. even -before- he comes out of the cystal barrier azula has snuck away. as he's rising, you do not see azula. and when he is hit, you see the main line of lightning coming from behind, and you see aang's back in the reflection of azulas eyes.

comparing naruto and avatar is ridiculous

honestly, i don't know how many more times i can keep pointing the obvious. my analogy was pretty spot on. but since you think the avatar state has such a high defense. i guess in the episode -the desert- katara must be the strongest bender in the series because she just walked effortlessly over to aang, while he was in the avatar state and then she hugged him.

i still fail to see where you make a valid argument
first of all your analogy was not spot on. Secondly, the only reason I used a Naruto comparison is because it's what I came up with at the moment I could have used any show. By using the Naruto comparison I was in no way saying that Naruto going kyuubi is equal in power to the avatar state, it's just a comparison through series. Normally when a character goes through a power up it's a full scale power up not just more fire power. It wouldn't be much of a power up if it wasn't full scale. I'd have to look at the part again to see if it was frontal or not (I was normal and only watched it once), but regardless my analogy stands. Would it make sense for Naruto to get shot down by Sasuke's katon right after he went Kyuubi, no in fact that would be embarrasing and unimpressive. Would it makes sense for Goku to be knocked out cold by a mere energy blast right after going super saiyan, no that would be just as lame, unimpressive, and a mockery to that power up. I really can't think of anymore analogies at the moment, but that's the way these types of shows work. I'm not gonna say Avatar is shounen, but it works in a similar way to shounen anime even though it's not anime. In shounen anime people don't get shot down right after they power up, at least without a reason for it. The reason here is it wasn't a true avatar state. Aang lost his chance to claim complete control of the Avatar state and it still remains to be seen how and if he'll claim that chance. I'll say it again, I refuse to believe that a true avatar state is really that weak.

[HinaJunkie713]

Does anyone know a good place to post fan fiction for Avatar? I can't put stuff up on Fanfiction.net (AAAAAAAAAAH DAMNIT!!!) so... ?

[Demonic-Fox]

avatar is cool

[Marsala]

first of all your analogy was not spot on. Secondly, the only reason I used a Naruto comparison is because it's what I came up with at the moment I could have used any show. By using the Naruto comparison I was in no way saying that Naruto going kyuubi is equal in power to the avatar state, it's just a comparison through series. Normally when a character goes through a power up it's a full scale power up not just more fire power. It wouldn't be much of a power up if it wasn't full scale. I'd have to look at the part again to see if it was frontal or not (I was normal and only watched it once), but regardless my analogy stands. Would it make sense for Naruto to get shot down by Sasuke's katon right after he went Kyuubi, no in fact that would be embarrasing and unimpressive. Would it makes sense for Goku to be knocked out cold by a mere energy blast right after going super saiyan, no that would be just as lame, unimpressive, and a mockery to that power up. I really can't think of anymore analogies at the moment, but that's the way these types of shows work. I'm not gonna say Avatar is shounen, but it works in a similar way to shounen anime even though it's not anime. In shounen anime people don't get shot down right after they power up, at least without a reason for it. The reason here is it wasn't a true avatar state. Aang lost his chance to claim complete control of the Avatar state and it still remains to be seen how and if he'll claim that chance. I'll say it again, I refuse to believe that a true avatar state is really that weak.

Lightning is the ultimate attack in the Avatar world. There is nothing to suggest that an Avatar in the Avatar State would be immune to a direct hit by lightning. So a sneak attack by lightning should always have the potential to kill Aang. If Aang had perfected the Avatar State, he would be fully aware of his surroundings and so be less likely to be sniped from behind, but there's no reason to expect that he could just shrug off the lightning.

[Iijyanaika]

http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php
see what kind of discussion you can get here. you'll see that your argument/opinion isn't valid.

your smartass remark about being normal and only watching it once? well, i must apologize for myself and all the people out there who buy dvds, cds, books, etc. because we all must be dumbasses for rewatching/reading/listening something we enjoy. my bad :sclap

[kakoishii]

Lightning is the ultimate attack in the Avatar world. There is nothing to suggest that an Avatar in the Avatar State would be immune to a direct hit by lightning. So a sneak attack by lightning should always have the potential to kill Aang. If Aang had perfected the Avatar State, he would be fully aware of his surroundings and so be less likely to be sniped from behind, but there's no reason to expect that he could just shrug off the lightning.

ultimate attack, I'm sure that could be debated, but I never said that he'd be immune. I agree a controlled avatar state could better defend it so no argument there, actually this further validates that Aang wasn't it a true avatar state which was my point all along.
http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php
see what kind of discussion you can get here. you'll see that your argument/opinion isn't valid.

your smartass remark about being normal and only watching it once? well, i must apologize for myself and all the people out there who buy dvds, cds, books, etc. because we all must be dumbasses for rewatching/reading/listening something we enjoy. my bad :sclap
you said it, not me bud. I only mentioned I watched it once because, well I was normal and watched it once and didn't obsess over it. I normally don't obsess or tv programs and if I rewatch something it's only because I was bored and it just happened to be rerunning on tv. If you think my argument is so invalid then give a decent argument that'll prove that not a forum link (that only validates in my mind that I've won this one). I generally don't make a habit of joining forums unless I plan to discuss in them in a long term basis, nf is pretty much the only board where I go on and discuss things reguallarly, but maybe I'll find be people to have a good debate with there. Oh and fyi I wasn't trying to be smart, possibly snide :P, I guess it just came off that way.

[@lk3mizt]

i'm still coming to terms with this season's finale. it was mind wrenching!!

[HinaJunkie713]

ultimate attack, I'm sure that could be debated, but I never said that he'd be immune. I agree a controlled avatar state could better defend it so no argument there, actually this further validates that Aang wasn't it a true avatar state which was my point all along.

you said it, not me bud. I only mentioned I watched it once because, well I was normal and watched it once and didn't obsess over it. I normally don't obsess or tv programs and if I rewatch something it's only because I was bored and it just happened to be rerunning on tv. If you think my argument is so invalid then give a decent argument that'll prove that not a forum link (that only validates in my mind that I've won this one). I generally don't make a habit of joining forums unless I plan to discuss in them in a long term basis, nf is pretty much the only board where I go on and discuss things reguallarly, but maybe I'll find be people to have a good debate with there. Oh and fyi I wasn't trying to be smart, possibly snide :P, I guess it just came off that way.

He was just getting his mojo up and running. It'd be like attacking Naruto when he's letting the kyuubi out. Rather then being cliche and stupid and letting the hero charge up their power or w/e because of course in naruto the bad guy is actually stupid enough to do that, avatar did the realistic thing and had one of the bad guys not be intimidated and had them think to sneak an attack during the transition to power when Aang will at least be distracted and otherwise preoccupied getting used to the control and power.

[Iijyanaika]

you said it, not me bud. I only mentioned I watched it once because, well I was normal and watched it once and didn't obsess over it. I normally don't obsess or tv programs and if I rewatch something it's only because I was bored and it just happened to be rerunning on tv. If you think my argument is so invalid then give a decent argument that'll prove that not a forum link (that only validates in my mind that I've won this one). I generally don't make a habit of joining forums unless I plan to discuss in them in a long term basis, nf is pretty much the only board where I go on and discuss things reguallarly, but maybe I'll find be people to have a good debate with there. Oh and fyi I wasn't trying to be smart, possibly snide :P, I guess it just came off that way.

you don't obsess over tv programs, yet you're on a forum for a tv program? you have 600+ post more than i do(granted some could be random nonsense), but this is a site dedicated to a tv program. so you've contradicted yourself there. unless coming to a website daily isn't obsessing, yet rewatching/reading/listening to something once or twice or more is.

i did give you a valid reason, you're just too ignorant and or dumb to understand/see what i was saying. you said he wasn't hit from behind. when it clearly shows in azulas eyes, his back. i don't know about you but if someones back is shown in someones eyes, i would think that means they're behind them?

you never disproved roku's warning about being killed in the avatar state. which means............the avatar state couldn't possibly be in jeopardy from a lightning strike. since only a rare few fire benders can actually use the technique. you must be right, because roku is incompetent and knows nothing about the avatar state.........

aang was glowing, he was in the avatar state. throughout the entire 2 seasons when he glows, he's in it. it's not like an ejaculation.....almost.....almost..........almost. .....BAM! all in your face
it's like a light switch from what we've seen, it's either on or off. when in the show has he ever had a half avatar state-1/3 avatar state-3/4 avatar state?

the fact of the matter is, azula hit him from behind with an extremely powerful attack. if you want some kind of naruto analogy. naruto ch333-334, kakashi hitting kakuzu from behind with raikiri.

if you can disprove what i've said, then maybe you're not the little twat that i think you are

[HinaJunkie713]

you don't obsess over tv programs, yet you're on a forum for a tv program? you have 600+ post more than i do(granted some could be random nonsense), but this is a site dedicated to a tv program. so you've contradicted yourself there. unless coming to a website daily isn't obsessing, yet rewatching/reading/listening to something once or twice or more is.

i did give you a valid reason, you're just too ignorant and or dumb to understand/see what i was saying. you said he wasn't hit from behind. when it clearly shows in azulas eyes, his back. i don't know about you but if someones back is shown in someones eyes, i would think that means they're behind them?

you never disproved roku's warning about being killed in the avatar state. which means............the avatar state couldn't possibly be in jeopardy from a lightning strike. since only a rare few fire benders can actually use the technique. you must be right, because roku is incompetent and knows nothing about the avatar state.........

aang was glowing, he was in the avatar state. throughout the entire 2 seasons when he glows, he's in it. it's not like an ejaculation.....almost.....almost..........almost. .....BAM! all in your face
it's like a light switch from what we've seen, it's either on or off. when in the show has he ever had a half avatar state-1/3 avatar state-3/4 avatar state?

the fact of the matter is, azula hit him from behind with an extremely powerful attack. if you want some kind of naruto analogy. naruto ch333-334, kakashi hitting kakuzu from behind with raikiri.

if you can disprove what i've said, then maybe you're not the little twat that i think you are

I stand by my defense for why Aang got hit by lightning. At this point this is a contest of opinions. But the story had him get hit by lightning in the avatar state. So unless this pompous guy I'm quoting wants to buy avatar and rewrite the season finale and book 3 fire he needs to stfu because as far as the people whose opinions matter on this subject (the people who write the story for the show) Aang can get hit by lightning in the avatar state. :P

[kakoishii]

you don't obsess over tv programs, yet you're on a forum for a tv program? you have 600+ post more than i do(granted some could be random nonsense), but this is a site dedicated to a tv program. so you've contradicted yourself there. unless coming to a website daily isn't obsessing, yet rewatching/reading/listening to something once or twice or more is.

i did give you a valid reason, you're just too ignorant and or dumb to understand/see what i was saying. you said he wasn't hit from behind. when it clearly shows in azulas eyes, his back. i don't know about you but if someones back is shown in someones eyes, i would think that means they're behind them?

you never disproved roku's warning about being killed in the avatar state. which means............the avatar state couldn't possibly be in jeopardy from a lightning strike. since only a rare few fire benders can actually use the technique. you must be right, because roku is incompetent and knows nothing about the avatar state.........

aang was glowing, he was in the avatar state. throughout the entire 2 seasons when he glows, he's in it. it's not like an ejaculation.....almost.....almost..........almost. .....BAM! all in your face
it's like a light switch from what we've seen, it's either on or off. when in the show has he ever had a half avatar state-1/3 avatar state-3/4 avatar state?

the fact of the matter is, azula hit him from behind with an extremely powerful attack. if you want some kind of naruto analogy. naruto ch333-334, kakashi hitting kakuzu from behind with raikiri.

if you can disprove what i've said, then maybe you're not the little twat that i think you are
stupid and or dumb huh, get fustrated with a debate and that's when the insults get cranked out :amuse . Honestly I don't generally rewatch or reread anything, relistening to music kind of wouldn't make sense not to do most songs only average 3:50 if you like it why wouldn't you, but I'll rewatch certain episodes of show if I like them enough and I only reread my favorite parts of a book, hardly ever the whole thing unless I've forgotten what's it about. Sure I have 900+ post but mind you I joined nearly 2 years ago and ever since I started college I'm bored 60% of the time so I come here a whole lot more now to find something interesting to talk about so the last 300 some posts were probably from the last couple months (and I don't make nonsense posts you're welcome to check my last 250 if you want). My aim was never to disprove roku's warning, there's nothing to disprove there, he said it so it's true. My aim this whole entire time was to (1)claim that Aang wasn't in a true avatar state when he tried to take down Azula (2) show that a true avatar state has an all around power up. Period! That's it nothing else. So, what I'm saying is be it whether it was Azula who took him down or Zuko or anyone else he wouldn't be able to maneuver very well, he was out of control, and not even in a real avatar state. He was doomed the second he thought he could pull it off. Oh and your naruto analogy is weak in fact it further proves my point that in series like Avatar or Aang "sneak attacks" hardly ever work, after all in real life they would, Azula would have killed Aang and right now Kakuzu would have been dead right now, but since those kind of shows don't work out that way Kakuzu is still alive and Aang though defeated has a second go at Azula. FYI pulling out petty insults just undermines the whole argument and is discrediting to yourself, I'd be more willing to take your arguments seriously if you keep it clean.
I stand by my defense for why Aang got hit by lightning. At this point this is a contest of opinions. But the story had him get hit by lightning in the avatar state. So unless this pompous guy I'm quoting wants to buy avatar and rewrite the season finale and book 3 fire he needs to stfu because as far as the people whose opinions matter on this subject (the people who write the story for the show) Aang can get hit by lightning in the avatar state. :P
lol, I love you hinajunkie :P

[Dimezanime20]

He was just getting his mojo up and running. It'd be like attacking Naruto when he's letting the kyuubi out. Rather then being cliche and stupid and letting the hero charge up their power or w/e because of course in naruto the bad guy is actually stupid enough to do that, avatar did the realistic thing and had one of the bad guys not be intimidated and had them think to sneak an attack during the transition to power when Aang will at least be distracted and otherwise preoccupied getting used to the control and power.

While that is true, there has been alot of cliche moments in Avatar. This was just a one thing to make the season finale more "Oh snap!" but you know, the next season when Aang gets that same chance, I bet you Azula and Zuko will be standing there waiting.lol

[Dimezanime20]

And oh, I stand on my opinion that Aang was about to enter into the Avatar state until he was shot down by Azula. Lol, it's funny how we are getting to serious with our debates, as if it was a Naruto discussion.:P

[Iijyanaika]

I stand by my defense for why Aang got hit by lightning. At this point this is a contest of opinions. But the story had him get hit by lightning in the avatar state. So unless this pompous guy I'm quoting wants to buy avatar and rewrite the season finale and book 3 fire he needs to stfu because as far as the people whose opinions matter on this subject (the people who write the story for the show) Aang can get hit by lightning in the avatar state. :P

i'm not sure if you misspelled something, or you're just extremely confused, but i'm one of the ones saying that aang -was- hit by lightning in the avatar state.........

kakoishii- one of my things is you haven't admitted you were wrong. i think the whole reason why i got into this argument was that aang was hit from behind. and you said he wasn't. while continuing to argue with everything else.

as things stand we had the warning from roku, the apparent avatar state shoot down, then katara having to pull out her -special water- and aang's tatoo giving off a faint glow. that pretty much seals the deal to me. he'll probably have the avatar state again, but at a later time

are you saying that the avatar state we've been seeing isn't a complete avatar state, but one that he can control is? he wouldn't be able to maneuver very well, he was out of control, and not even in a real avatar state. if you're just trying to state whether he was in a controlled state or not. i can agree upon what you're saying. but denying that he was in a state at all while being hit with lightning is something we'll just be disagreeing about.

petty insults were started by you my friend-i had a rough night at work :p

[kakoishii]

^no no my friend, I haven't said anything petty or insulting maybe slightly condescending, but I am apt to be snide :P I never called you ignorant or dumb or stupid or even a douchebag, can't say the same for you either, and then you attacked me just because I happen to have 600+ more posts than you which is kind of insulting to all the people who have thousands more posts than I do. It's petty because it doesn't pertain just stick to the argument is all I'm saying. I haven't said anything about the attack from the back since about a page ago mainly because the last time I saw the said episode was last week and I wouldn't be able to validate it so I've since let that go and haven't said anything about it. My use of control, hmm...well it'd be pure speculation for me to say he was even more out of control, but it didn't seem like a very strong avatar state that he was in either if you compare all the other times his gone into it, but thus far he hasn't ever been in complete control of the avatar state so...yea so far we've never seen a controled avatar state I may be wrong about the hit from behind thing (I honestly can't remember and can't be bothered to watch it again just for that part), but I'm not going to say I'm wrong about everything else just to satisfy you, debates just don't work that way :amuse

[HinaJunkie713]

Oops... I don't think I realized you were being sarcastic.... Sorry your right. But why are people debating this so much. Just the fact that there was no lightning in front of him, or coming at him from the front. Also I just watched it on itunes like 20 times (just that part) and Azula definately moved around and he definately, at the very least, doesn't get hit in the front. Besides the burns on his back.

[kakoishii]

^because debating is fun :amuse, but I'm willing to end it if everyone's up for it

[Kai]

I should really be getting back into this show.... I haven't seen it since Appa got stolen.

Has Season 3 started yet?

[delirium]

Not.. it was just the finale a few weeks ago. So not for some odd months til season 3.

[Iijyanaika]

you said you were normal as opposed to me not being? meh? everything else is opinion. just the whole lightning thing was fact :p

i had a good night at the bar so we'll end it :p

i was told season 3 starts in january. that would be great because we'd see avatar-naruto-and hopefully bleach.

[HinaJunkie713]

While that is true, there has been alot of cliche moments in Avatar. This was just a one thing to make the season finale more "Oh snap!" but you know, the next season when Aang gets that same chance, I bet you Azula and Zuko will be standing there waiting.lol

You're right there have been cliche moments. There's been a ton of them. Just the fact that Aang, at least as powerful as katara at waterbending outside the avatar state, and as strong with air and earth as he is is that pathetic in the season finale just to make the need for the avatar state obvious. That was just not a great move on the part of the writers. (Note that's not actually meant to be an example of a cliche moment in avatar. If it is by accident, yay, but if not w/e)

I still need to know where -besides Fanfiction.net (it doesn't work for me for some reason - I can post Fan fiction for avatar that doesn't have super strict rules about tame lemon, lemon, implied lemon, physical contact, eye contact *rants, annoyed*

[kakoishii]

you said you were normal as opposed to me not being? meh? everything else is opinion. just the whole lightning thing was fact :p

i had a good night at the bar so we'll end it :p

i was told season 3 starts in january. that would be great because we'd see avatar-naruto-and hopefully bleach.

In all seriousness the "I'm normal" thing was a joke :oh but I guess you took it personally, sorry if it bothered you somehow. Not sure if we'll see avatar back as early as January maybe March I'm not sure myself.

[HinaJunkie713]

K... really not offended/bothered by no one knowing of a decent place for avatar fan fiction but at least tell me you don't if you don't.

[kakoishii]

^I'd help you out but all the avatar sites I've been to are all favorited on my PC at home, and I never really went to them that much so I don't know the addresses. If you want to know that bad I can give you some links when I go home for Christmas vacation next week.

[HinaJunkie713]

^I'd help you out but all the avatar sites I've been to are all favorited on my PC at home, and I never really went to them that much so I don't know the addresses. If you want to know that bad I can give you some links when I go home for Christmas vacation next week.

I just need a way to get people to read mine. Sure.. exluding Zatura (Stewie Griffen: EEEEEWEWEWEW!!!) I'll soon have read everything avatar on ff.net. I really move in a week. *converted to Avatar ff immeadiately after season finale. Like my first fanfic was 4 pages in by the second coming of the episode.

[Dimezanime20]

Well in your face!! How about this about the Avatar state!!

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/44541373/

[Chee]

^^ Screenshot won't load all the way. :cry

[Dimezanime20]

http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/avatar2/ When you get to the map, click around the top area with the white circles and Aang's picture should pop up. It should read the episode title (Crossroads of Destiny). After that, click on gear and more. Then click on the Avatar state looking Aang and then you can read all about it.

[NeoDreamer]

I KNEWWWWWWWWW IT...

I'm a pessimistic so I went with that originally haha.

[HinaJunkie713]

I KNEWWWWWWWWW IT...

I'm a pessimistic so I went with that originally haha.

That's not an all that pessimistic conclusion...

[Dimezanime20]

Yea, it seems ever since that question we've all been arguing about had been answered, it has been dead in here.lol

[kakoishii]

^that's only because the season ended so there's nothing much to talk about until the next season premiers. Unless you prefer the intellectual conversation of "ZOMG AVATAR IS THE GREATEST !!!11!1"

[Omega id]

Well the last episode I saw of this anime was Lake Lagoia (SP?) im guessing there are 3 more episodes after that and im done with Season 2...

So far I gotta say however. That no character has appealed to me except for Toph... She is just too fucking cool for Avatar (She should be in Naruto damnit!). <.<

I mean, she's this cute 12yr old rich girl. But she controls the EARTH. What I mostly like about her is how she acts like a tough guy, and she walks around bare footed most of the time!

Toph is also kind of over powered in the sense that its nearly impossible to defeat her on the ground. The only way she can be defeated on the ground, is if the writers decided to make a stupid scripts and say "Lets make her get hit by some move we all obviously know she can dodge".

She can fricken sense your heart bea... she feels ANTS walking, thats how sensitive her feeling the earth is. She is always one step ahead of her opponents. Her only weakness is anything not touching the ground. Even then she could just barricade herself inside a bunch of rocks (similar to Gaara's defense) untill her opponent has no other choice but to land.

Im sorry, but Toph is too fucking good, I dont care what anybody else say's =/

[Iijyanaika]

Yea, it seems ever since that question we've all been arguing about had been answered, it has been dead in here.lol

so was everyone other than me just talking about whether he was in a controlled state or not? :oh

or was anyone actually debating whether he was in an avatar state? that was my argument, so the link doesn't disprove anything on my part :amazed

:can

[kakoishii]

^as far as I'm concerned he was out of control and not in a true avatar state, but apparently that's debatable.

[NeoDreamer]

That's not an all that pessimistic conclusion...

OF course it's pessimistic..cause it was the more "unhappy" conclusion

[Rukie]

Well the last episode I saw of this anime was Lake Lagoia (SP?) im guessing there are 3 more episodes after that and im done with Season 2...

So far I gotta say however. That no character has appealed to me except for Toph... She is just too fucking cool for Avatar (She should be in Naruto damnit!). <.<

I mean, she's this cute 12yr old rich girl. But she controls the EARTH. What I mostly like about her is how she acts like a tough guy, and she walks around bare footed most of the time!

Toph is also kind of over powered in the sense that its nearly impossible to defeat her on the ground. The only way she can be defeated on the ground, is if the writers decided to make a stupid scripts and say "Lets make her get hit by some move we all obviously know she can dodge".

She can fricken sense your heart bea... she feels ANTS walking, thats how sensitive her feeling the earth is. She is always one step ahead of her opponents. Her only weakness is anything not touching the ground. Even then she could just barricade herself inside a bunch of rocks (similar to Gaara's defense) untill her opponent has no other choice but to land.

Im sorry, but Toph is too fucking good, I dont care what anybody else say's =/
If you think Toph is so great now, you should see her in those remaining three episodes. Her fighting moves are freakin' awesome when they storm the palace in episode 18, and she learns how to bend metal in the finale!

[Kai]

Alright, I just finished Episode 40, the Crossroads of Destiny.

I wonder how Aang is going to get help to invade the Fire Nation, and since he released the 7th chakra(or was it 8? I forgot), does that mean he doesn't love Katara anymore?

Also, is book 3 fire or air?

[kakoishii]

book 3 should be fire, and Aang still loves Katara.

[Omega id]

I actually saw a bit of the episode where she's caged and she learns to bend metal, but I wasn't paying much attention when I was at my friends house cause I was watching something else on TV <.< lol

But yeah I also remember seeing Katara talking to Zuko and Zuko couldn't make up his mind about what to do. I also remember Katara about to heal the burn on his face... but yeah I didn't really get to see the last 3 episodes, just bits of it. I stopped at Lake Lagoia (sp?) When Aang gets back his mut.

[Elite]

Alright, I just finished Episode 40, the Crossroads of Destiny.

I wonder how Aang is going to get help to invade the Fire Nation, and since he released the 7th chakra(or was it 8? I forgot), does that mean he doesn't love Katara anymore?

Also, is book 3 fire or air?
I don't think Aang was able to release the last chakra; wasn't he interupted by Azula?

[HinaJunkie713]

Well the last episode I saw of this anime was Lake Lagoia (SP?) im guessing there are 3 more episodes after that and im done with Season 2...

So far I gotta say however. That no character has appealed to me except for Toph... She is just too fucking cool for Avatar (She should be in Naruto damnit!). <.<

I mean, she's this cute 12yr old rich girl. But she controls the EARTH. What I mostly like about her is how she acts like a tough guy, and she walks around bare footed most of the time!

Toph is also kind of over powered in the sense that its nearly impossible to defeat her on the ground. The only way she can be defeated on the ground, is if the writers decided to make a stupid scripts and say "Lets make her get hit by some move we all obviously know she can dodge".

She can fricken sense your heart bea... she feels ANTS walking, thats how sensitive her feeling the earth is. She is always one step ahead of her opponents. Her only weakness is anything not touching the ground. Even then she could just barricade herself inside a bunch of rocks (similar to Gaara's defense) untill her opponent has no other choice but to land.

Im sorry, but Toph is too fucking good, I dont care what anybody else say's =/
Man Naruto's not that good a story. As anime goes it's better than a lot. But the characters are too simple and obvious. They don't do more stuff in Avatar but they have fewer main characters to spread the personality around in. They actually focus on relationships that grow and change, rather than Sasuke over and over again. (for pretty much all) The unattainable Sakura(for naruto) and the oblivious naruto (for Hinata) They never focus on Shikamaru's inotem triangle. Gaara so needs a girl friend. They could have a 'Sorry not interested' thing with Kiba and Hinata, do SOMETHING with shino and choji. They do nothing with awesome characters like anko (ANKO ROCKS SHE'S TOO COOL FOR NARUTO ;P ) or other grown ninja. Ayame could like naruto and fight over him with Hinata (like Sakuino) I have a ff that -includes- that btw. (Anko fic - see sig) Over all Naruto is lame when it comes to using it's potential. It's the flaw of having that many constant characters. For the most part stories just end up being about 5 or 6 main to semi main characters. You can have a ton more, you probably just won't use them. Naruto certainly doesn't. Avatar really doesn't try. they have Aang, Katara,Toph, Sokka, and Zuko as main characters and Azula, ty lee, mai, sukie, iroh, and a few others as supporting main characters but Naruto tries to have 30 of both, and thus can't do anything with most of them, and none of them get developed much of all. It's a flaw of tv. They never handle having tons of important characters well. There's just not enough time to develop them the tv way. *cuts self off*

[HinaJunkie713]

I just saw it, and yes, it is a series. It was ok. It had pretty nice animation and was actually funny in some parts. The main character loves penguins. :blink

The only problem I have with it is its lame villans. The main antagonist seemed kinda dull.

What I thought you should all know is that it seems to me that the creator of it may watch Naruto. Not only does he make use of names like "Fire Country" and "Water Country", the first episode also includes a scene that seemed ripped right out of the Wave Arc in Naruto. Remember when Haku seemed as if he was about to "finish off" Sasuke with the kunai Sakura had thrown in an attempt to save him from the Ice Mirrors? And then, all of the sudden, in true badass ninja fashion a kunai whacks Haku in the mask and it turned out to be the #1 most unpredictable ninja Naruto? Well, there's a scene in the show in which the main antagonist is about to finish off one of the other main characters with a fire attack but then all of the sudden a boomerang comes in, whacks him in the face, and he hits the floor, exactly how Haku did! And then, from a far off distance comes the main character running in to save the day, just like Naruto did, and all around, just like in Naruto, the other characters are amazed/surprised by the sudden, unstealthy entry.

But ya know....it could all just be a huge coincidence. :laugh

That's a stock scene they could have taken it from a thousand stories.

[kakoishii]

Man Naruto's not that good a story. As anime goes it's better than a lot. But the characters are too simple and obvious. They don't do more stuff in Avatar but they have fewer main characters to spread the personality around in. They actually focus on relationships that grow and change, rather than Sasuke over and over again. (for pretty much all) The unattainable Sakura(for naruto) and the oblivious naruto (for Hinata) They never focus on Shikamaru's inotem triangle. Gaara so needs a girl friend. They could have a 'Sorry not interested' thing with Kiba and Hinata, do SOMETHING with shino and choji. They do nothing with awesome characters like anko (ANKO ROCKS SHE'S TOO COOL FOR NARUTO ;P ) or other grown ninja. Ayame could like naruto and fight over him with Hinata (like Sakuino) I have a ff that -includes- that btw. (Anko fic - see sig) Over all Naruto is lame when it comes to using it's potential. It's the flaw of having that many constant characters. For the most part stories just end up being about 5 or 6 main to semi main characters. You can have a ton more, you probably just won't use them. Naruto certainly doesn't. Avatar really doesn't try. they have Aang, Katara,Toph, Sokka, and Zuko as main characters and Azula, ty lee, mai, sukie, iroh, and a few others as supporting main characters but Naruto tries to have 30 of both, and thus can't do anything with most of them, and none of them get developed much of all. It's a flaw of tv. They never handle having tons of important characters well. There's just not enough time to develop them the tv way. *cuts self off*

that's the downfall of Kishi's plot, he had a good idea to include a lot of characters with a lot of awesome moves, though the downfall of all of that is he only developed a few of these characters he's introduced into the general plot, making a lot of the nin, though "cool" in their own respected ways, pretty much throw away characters considering they have next to zero character developement thus rendering their possibility of becoming part of the story next to zero. Avatar avoids all of this by introducing new characters slowly so that the already established characters have time to develope and so the new characters can have their full time to develope when they show up.

[Omega id]

@HinaJunkie

Im actually not that big a fan of Naruto to begin with. In fact I started watching Naruto this year (ok so im lying, back then I saw Naruto eps 1-9 when it first got subbed but after that I had no way of getting more episodes so I went on without paying much attention to it). 3 years ago I was just a member of NarutoForums/Fan and NarutoTalk but I was only in those forums to hang out.

Of all the main characters I gotta say that... none of them really appeal to me. I also thought that some of the fights were pretty dumb (Rock Lee: Stop I need to take my meds regardless of the fact this is a life or death battle).

Im not really a fan of long anime series (not including Bleach, Bleach is pretty good for a long anime series). I usually like short anime series (12-26 episodes long this includes FMA despite the fact its 50 episodes long, its short compared to most long anime series). Short anime series usually have better plot and animations. Not much effort goes into long running TV series. Atleast they gave 3 major Naruto fights "special treatment" (Orochimaru vs Sasuke, Sarutobi vs Orochimaru & Hokages, Naruto vs Sasuke). Every other fight doesn't make much sense, filler or no filler its not that impressive to me. The only other fight I liked in Naruto was probably Neji vs. Spider guy (I always forget his name).

Naruto drags on unecessarily. Plus they always gotta throw in a bunch of useless lines or scenes just to make the episode last longer and the endless flash backs... Like episodes 131-132 Naruto vs Sasuke, we already knew about Sasuke's past through previous flash backs, but they just had to tell it again... and on top of that make it more "Specific" by going farther beyond his clans massacre all the way to Sasuke's relationship with his dad and how he envy's his brother. And seriously Sarutobi got stabbed... 3 episodes later hese still stabbed and not much development between Naruto vs. Gaara fight.. why? Because the characters think to themselves too much and talk too much during the fights... Thats what I hate about most anime's ... just fucking fight and shut the hell up.

I do have a few characters I like in Naruto, but they are only my favorite because of the Naruto 3 game for PS3 (and I guess Naruto 4 on GC...). Tsunade, Asuma Kurenai and Anko - notice how my favorite characters are not kids :P. Anko is a cool character but lets face it... she doesn't do shit in the anime and although I dont read the manga im pretty sure she doesn't do shit there either.

I do have the descentsy however, to finish an anime when i've started watching it, even if I dont really end up liking it I have to give it a shot and not give up on it half way like most people. Naruto was really boring up untill the last few episodes with Zabuza and Haku.

Although the only character in Avatar that appeals to me is Toph, atleast they get to the point.

[Kai]

I don't think Aang was able to release the last chakra; wasn't he interupted by Azula?

He finally got to do it while Katara was knocked out and Zuko and Azula were teaming up.

So it seems now he can go into the Avatar State and control himself.

[Elite]

He finally got to do it while Katara was knocked out and Zuko and Azula were teaming up.

So it seems now he can go into the Avatar State and control himself.
I was confuse by that scene.

When he was about to open the last chakra, he was walking up to that big Aang but then he fell down before he could reach it when Azula blasted him, so I thought he wasn't able to open the last chakra.

[NeoDreamer]

ya'll need to read the previous posts..not too far..like the last page or 2..to know that he didn't really achieve control over the last chakra stage..and is not able to control the avatar state yet.

[HinaJunkie713]

@HinaJunkie

Im actually not that big a fan of Naruto to begin with. In fact I started watching Naruto this year (ok so im lying, back then I saw Naruto eps 1-9 when it first got subbed but after that I had no way of getting more episodes so I went on without paying much attention to it). 3 years ago I was just a member of NarutoForums/Fan and NarutoTalk but I was only in those forums to hang out.

Of all the main characters I gotta say that... none of them really appeal to me. I also thought that some of the fights were pretty dumb (Rock Lee: Stop I need to take my meds regardless of the fact this is a life or death battle).

Im not really a fan of long anime series (not including Bleach, Bleach is pretty good for a long anime series). I usually like short anime series (12-26 episodes long this includes FMA despite the fact its 50 episodes long, its short compared to most long anime series). Short anime series usually have better plot and animations. Not much effort goes into long running TV series. Atleast they gave 3 major Naruto fights "special treatment" (Orochimaru vs Sasuke, Sarutobi vs Orochimaru & Hokages, Naruto vs Sasuke). Every other fight doesn't make much sense, filler or no filler its not that impressive to me. The only other fight I liked in Naruto was probably Neji vs. Spider guy (I always forget his name).

Naruto drags on unecessarily. Plus they always gotta throw in a bunch of useless lines or scenes just to make the episode last longer and the endless flash backs... Like episodes 131-132 Naruto vs Sasuke, we already knew about Sasuke's past through previous flash backs, but they just had to tell it again... and on top of that make it more "Specific" by going farther beyond his clans massacre all the way to Sasuke's relationship with his dad and how he envy's his brother. And seriously Sarutobi got stabbed... 3 episodes later hese still stabbed and not much development between Naruto vs. Gaara fight.. why? Because the characters think to themselves too much and talk too much during the fights... Thats what I hate about most anime's ... just fucking fight and shut the hell up.

I do have a few characters I like in Naruto, but they are only my favorite because of the Naruto 3 game for PS3 (and I guess Naruto 4 on GC...). Tsunade, Asuma Kurenai and Anko - notice how my favorite characters are not kids :P. Anko is a cool character but lets face it... she doesn't do shit in the anime and although I dont read the manga im pretty sure she doesn't do shit there either.

I do have the descentsy however, to finish an anime when i've started watching it, even if I dont really end up liking it I have to give it a shot and not give up on it half way like most people. Naruto was really boring up untill the last few episodes with Zabuza and Haku.

Although the only character in Avatar that appeals to me is Toph, atleast they get to the point.

Your right on all counts. And Anko would be an awesome character if they actually used her. Naruto is the main character so he's obviously going to be the least interesting. And then theres that bone guy/orochimaru and haku/zabuza they do parallel characterization (i apoligize for english terms) but Naruto = yondaime / = obito / = tsunades's brother / = tsunade's boy friend / = all the other chacarters in the story who've had a hard time, so everyone. That way he can 'connect' with everyone and do that yeah i've had it just as/ harder than you and so have other people, get over it speech that way he fixes everyone and they fall really close to pokemon's major flaw the 'everyone's problems are solved by the end of the episode' 'we'll fix things together!' we're all good nice happy peacefull people tralala bull shit' Sakura and Ino are only given purpose by sasuke and eachother. I could go on and on but I don't think you all want a detailed analysis of what the makers of naruto did wrong.

[Haruko]

The part where avatar is better is in that each episode is made as a cartoon/anime so everything fits perfectly whereas Naruto anime is quite flabby and verbose, with lots of standing and talking. It is also not dubbed so there are few complaints about how it has been cut or changed. Therefore it is at worst a good distracton while Naruto's fillers stop, and at best a high quality something. The story is also quite compact and everything serves a purpose.

[HinaJunkie713]

The part where avatar is better is in that each episode is made as a cartoon/anime so everything fits perfectly whereas Naruto anime is quite flabby and verbose, with lots of standing and talking. It is also not dubbed so there are few complaints about how it has been cut or changed. Therefore it is at worst a good distracton while Naruto's fillers stop, and at best a high quality something. The story is also quite compact and everything serves a purpose.

That's true to. But really, the biggest things saving Naruto from being another pokemon (cause they share that "let's everyone be friends" thing a lot) is the shere brutality of the show and well, it is done much better. But there are still oceans of unused potential with Naruto.

[Telling Lies]

Ok, I didn't look through all of the threads, but I'm going to ask anyway. Does anyone know when the new season is going to start?

[ReikaiDemon]

I agree with you Neo, but apparently the writers are trying to make something out of Toph x Sokka ><

Man Naruto's not that good a story. As anime goes it's better than a lot. But the characters are too simple and obvious. They don't do more stuff in Avatar but they have fewer main characters to spread the personality around in. They actually focus on relationships that grow and change, rather than Sasuke over and over again. (for pretty much all) The unattainable Sakura(for naruto) and the oblivious naruto (for Hinata) They never focus on Shikamaru's inotem triangle. Gaara so needs a girl friend. They could have a 'Sorry not interested' thing with Kiba and Hinata, do SOMETHING with shino and choji. They do nothing with awesome characters like anko (ANKO ROCKS SHE'S TOO COOL FOR NARUTO ;P ) or other grown ninja. Ayame could like naruto and fight over him with Hinata (like Sakuino) I have a ff that -includes- that btw. (Anko fic - see sig) Over all Naruto is lame when it comes to using it's potential. It's the flaw of having that many constant characters. For the most part stories just end up being about 5 or 6 main to semi main characters. You can have a ton more, you probably just won't use them. Naruto certainly doesn't. Avatar really doesn't try. they have Aang, Katara,Toph, Sokka, and Zuko as main characters and Azula, ty lee, mai, sukie, iroh, and a few others as supporting main characters but Naruto tries to have 30 of both, and thus can't do anything with most of them, and none of them get developed much of all. It's a flaw of tv. They never handle having tons of important characters well. There's just not enough time to develop them the tv way. *cuts self off*

Well, I agree that having less character in Avatar makes the character developement go up, but I also think that since Avatar is based on eastern culture, I think it's more of a homage to make the series into a tradition wuxia drama, it's obiviously evident that from the written chinese they use is a old traditional poetic/liturature form . I grew up watching a lot of chinese drama, and today still, they focus on a small cast of characters, following their character developments and indulging in love stories. It makes me giddy that there are Americans who are aware of the world outside this country :D Plus I'm one of those Chinese-Americans who want more to do with their heritage. And it's even nicer to actually have an american cartoon not suck balls and easily forgettable, and insult the intelligence of their audience in this day and age, while actually getting the anime style down right, while teaching many other impressionable minds culture and being a good person. =D

that's the downfall of Kishi's plot, he had a good idea to include a lot of characters with a lot of awesome moves, though the downfall of all of that is he only developed a few of these characters he's introduced into the general plot, making a lot of the nin, though "cool" in their own respected ways, pretty much throw away characters considering they have next to zero character developement thus rendering their possibility of becoming part of the story next to zero. Avatar avoids all of this by introducing new characters slowly so that the already established characters have time to develope and so the new characters can have their full time to develope when they show up.
Though, I think Kishi just does character development a different way, he introduces them fast, develope them slowly, just now, in the manga we're getting lots of Shikamaru's character development. Though, I think Kishi has landed himself in bit of a trap, he has no time to develop all of the characters, and if he did, the focus of the series would be so far off from the path, that it would take even longer to get back on track. Plus, as a shonen series, relationships are rarely emphasized as much, and in quantity.

@HinaJunkie

Im actually not that big a fan of Naruto to begin with. In fact I started watching Naruto this year (ok so im lying, back then I saw Naruto eps 1-9 when it first got subbed but after that I had no way of getting more episodes so I went on without paying much attention to it). 3 years ago I was just a member of NarutoForums/Fan and NarutoTalk but I was only in those forums to hang out.

Of all the main characters I gotta say that... none of them really appeal to me. I also thought that some of the fights were pretty dumb (Rock Lee: Stop I need to take my meds regardless of the fact this is a life or death battle).

Im not really a fan of long anime series (not including Bleach, Bleach is pretty good for a long anime series). I usually like short anime series (12-26 episodes long this includes FMA despite the fact its 50 episodes long, its short compared to most long anime series). Short anime series usually have better plot and animations. Not much effort goes into long running TV series. Atleast they gave 3 major Naruto fights "special treatment" (Orochimaru vs Sasuke, Sarutobi vs Orochimaru & Hokages, Naruto vs Sasuke). Every other fight doesn't make much sense, filler or no filler its not that impressive to me. The only other fight I liked in Naruto was probably Neji vs. Spider guy (I always forget his name).

Naruto drags on unecessarily. Plus they always gotta throw in a bunch of useless lines or scenes just to make the episode last longer and the endless flash backs... Like episodes 131-132 Naruto vs Sasuke, we already knew about Sasuke's past through previous flash backs, but they just had to tell it again... and on top of that make it more "Specific" by going farther beyond his clans massacre all the way to Sasuke's relationship with his dad and how he envy's his brother. And seriously Sarutobi got stabbed... 3 episodes later hese still stabbed and not much development between Naruto vs. Gaara fight.. why? Because the characters think to themselves too much and talk too much during the fights... Thats what I hate about most anime's ... just fucking fight and shut the hell up.

I do have a few characters I like in Naruto, but they are only my favorite because of the Naruto 3 game for PS3 (and I guess Naruto 4 on GC...). Tsunade, Asuma Kurenai and Anko - notice how my favorite characters are not kids :P. Anko is a cool character but lets face it... she doesn't do shit in the anime and although I dont read the manga im pretty sure she doesn't do shit there either.

I do have the descentsy however, to finish an anime when i've started watching it, even if I dont really end up liking it I have to give it a shot and not give up on it half way like most people. Naruto was really boring up untill the last few episodes with Zabuza and Haku.

Although the only character in Avatar that appeals to me is Toph, atleast they get to the point.
Well, as with any anime based on manga, you gotta take it with a grain of salt, Avatar has an advantage of not needing to conform to strict television schedual and demands, and trying to do justice to source material. In Japan, fillers exist so a show does not get cancelled, because if they have a week without an episode as demanded, the whole series is cancelled, most of the dragging on does not exist in the manga.
Since Avatar has less demands, television-wise, and it's more freeform, and does not have to live up to source material, they get a great deal of freedom, as they don't have to fill up timeslots and such.

[kakoishii]

Though, I think Kishi just does character development a different way, he introduces them fast, develope them slowly, just now, in the manga we're getting lots of Shikamaru's character development. Though, I think Kishi has landed himself in bit of a trap, he has no time to develop all of the characters, and if he did, the focus of the series would be so far off from the path, that it would take even longer to get back on track. Plus, as a shonen series, relationships are rarely emphasized as much, and in quantity.

relationships are not to be confused with character developement. Potentially good shounen series often fall short of great shounen series only because of their lack of character development. It's like comparing Dragonball to Dragonball Z. Dragonball was better because it had action and characters that you actually cared about because you knew something about them. I for one know that I cared about Yamcha's character more in Dragonball than in Dragonball Z. Goku was the main character, but everyone else had their own story to share and momement to shine unlike in its sequel where it seems that the purpose of all the other characters besides Goku is to give Goku reason to angry enough to fight (via their injuries/deaths). Decent character development is esential to the plot otherwise it's just mindless action. There's no real attatchment to the people fighting so you end up caring less about what happens.

[Hell On Earth]

I must admit avatar is a good series and love the style of the animation and story draws you and doesn't let go.

[HinaJunkie713]

Ok, I didn't look through all of the threads, but I'm going to ask anyway. Does anyone know when the new season is going to start?

I wanna know too.

Also, ReikaiDemon, could you tell a little more about chinease drama? You can private message me if you think it's better.

[Haruko]

I saw somewhere (an Avatar site) that it will start in March this year.

[unholydoragon]

the drawing style is actually korean, called Manhwa, so im not sure if it is still considered anime. Also, the story is based off of reincarnation cycle of the avatar of either hinduism or buddhism (i forget which) in real life. The fighting styles are based off of Chinese marital arts. The story that comes from avatar is mainly about making peace after one nation is much more powerful than the rest and there needs to be balance so i think thats different from naruto.

[Rukie]

Oh, wow. According to www.avatarspirit.com, a live-action Avatar movie is actually being planned. Crap, this could screw the entire series over.

Surprise, surprise. In an article from yesterday, Variety.com reports that Nickelodeon has cut a deal with director M. Night Shyamalan and Paramount Pictures to produce three live action movies based on Avatar: The Last Airbender. Shyamalan (picture at left) wrote and directed hit thrillers such as "The Sixth Sense" and "Signs", but, as Variety noted, the "Avatar" movies will be his first foray into "kids movies."

This announcement came just hours after Fox and director James Cameron announced another movie project also called "Avatar", but which is based on an original idea of Cameron's and has nothing to do with the show.

No details on titles, actors, plot or release dates as of yet. Also, no word on how deeply Bryan Konietzko and Michael Dante DiMartino, Avatar's creators, will be involved. So let the speculation begin, and thanks to ASN user "shukuchi" and Something Awful power user "nfreakct" for the heads up on this awesome news!

[Hell On Earth]

When is the new season starting or they giving new episodes already?

[Haruko]

MARCH (ten characters)

[Hell On Earth]

So the avatar is his reached he complete powers of the avatar.

[CursedChidori]

i wonder whos gonna teach him fire bending and dont say anything about that old guy. he didnt do anything besides showing him a little fire bending

[Hangatýr]

The Dragon Of The West! \m/:yell\m/

[rockst☆r sin]

Sorry if this was answered before but where can I download episodes of Avatar. It seems cool so imma give it a chance.

[ReikaiDemon]

Isohunt is a good place for TV torrents

[ReikaiDemon]

the drawing style is actually korean, called Manhwa, so im not sure if it is still considered anime. Also, the story is based off of reincarnation cycle of the avatar of either hinduism or buddhism (i forget which) in real life. The fighting styles are based off of Chinese marital arts. The story that comes from avatar is mainly about making peace after one nation is much more powerful than the rest and there needs to be balance so i think thats different from naruto.

I think you're a little confused, it's a cartoon style with anime inspired techniques, but it is animated in korea. Like most of cartoons and anime, they are almost always animated in Korea. So, if you want to get technical, then I guess most of the cartoons we watch in the US are all Manhwa. But, it's just a name, so all animated features are all called either manhua, manhwa, cartoons, anime (french, japanese) etc


I wanna know too.

Also, ReikaiDemon, could you tell a little more about chinease drama? You can private message me if you think it's better.
Well, I don't know how to describe it, since I only watch most of it my whole life, but I do notice that most of the time, wuxia dramas focus on more of a human aspect of their characters, even though they have extraordinary martial art skills and powers. Mostly, their styles of kung fu describe the character, like where they were raise, or born, or the signifigance of knowing that style, and even though they are powerful, they emphasize on vulnurability as a human or otherwise, like tragic heros in Shakespearean drama. Romance is also a big focus, often you'll see love triangles and such. A good deal of them are tragedies, or have a number of tragic moments. Avatar for an example is like a light take on wuxia drama, the base elements of story in the show that is.

[Haruko]

Probably Iroh will teach him fire bending. You can get the episodes at Avatar portal or something

[joetachi16]

Here is a link for anybody that really wants to see the series from the start.

http://www.theavatarportal.com/episodes.html

I love avatar, personaly avatar is the first true american anime.

P.S. Zuko why??????????

[HinaJunkie713]

Oh, wow. According to www.avatarspirit.com, a live-action Avatar movie is actually being planned. Crap, this could screw the entire series over.



Are you frigging serious!? That'll toatally screw over the cartoon by doing all the things movies do, under development of characters plot the world of the story etc. But it'll be f***ing cool.

As to who's going to teach aang firebending. My guess, When Zuko finds out that the penalty for Iroh's treason is death -cause you all know it would be- he'll freak and let him go, though he'll prob do it some way that lets him not be arrested for treason. Then Iroh will somehow catch up with the Aang Gang and teach Aang fire bending.

[2Shea]

The movie called "Avatar" has nothing at all to do with the animated series. This was a mistake made by many fans. But no, there will be no live-action Avatar movie.

[Reborn!]

The movie called "Avatar" has nothing at all to do with the animated series. This was a mistake made by many fans. But no, there will be no live-action Avatar movie.

Thank God.

[@lk3mizt]

That's true to. But really, the biggest things saving Naruto from being another pokemon (cause they share that "let's everyone be friends" thing a lot) is the shere brutality of the show and well, it is done much better. But there are still oceans of unused potential with Naruto.

was that it!!? noooo what about the rest!? ur avatar fan fiction was the best ever. please continue! please!! :cry:cry

[Rukie]

The movie called "Avatar" has nothing at all to do with the animated series. This was a mistake made by many fans. But no, there will be no live-action Avatar movie.
Live Action Avatar Movie Deal Announced on Variety.com
Surprise, surprise. In an article from yesterday, Variety.com reports that Nickelodeon has cut a deal with director M. Night Shyamalan and Paramount Pictures to produce three live action movies based on Avatar: The Last Airbender. Shyamalan (picture at left) wrote and directed hit thrillers such as "The Sixth Sense" and "Signs", but, as Variety noted, the "Avatar" movies will be his first foray into "kids movies."

This announcement came just hours after Fox and director James Cameron announced another movie project also called "Avatar", but which is based on an original idea of Cameron's and has nothing to do with the show.

No details on titles, actors, plot or release dates as of yet. Also, no word on how deeply Bryan Konietzko and Michael Dante DiMartino, Avatar's creators, will be involved. So let the speculation begin, and thanks to ASN user "shukuchi" and Something Awful power user "nfreakct" for the heads up on this awesome news!

I wish I could share in your optimism, but it says there will be a live-action movie on avatarspirit.com. It's not talking about the movie currently coming out, it's talking about one that they just signed to begin. This news is so big, and this is all coming too soon, that I'm begining to have my doubts as well. If it can be successfully pulled off, then it would be one of the mos kick-ass movies ever. But if it fails, which is very high-likely, then it could hurt the Avatar franchise.

[2Shea]

Honestly, I have a feeling its all just rumors, but it may not be.

For them to pull Shyamalan... is just pretty crazy in itself. He's a very good director, and I have no doubt that he could do a good job with it, unless they limit him. If its going to be made into a live action motion picture, they need to cut the kiddy crap and let Avatar be how it should be. It will most likely get butchered by Nick and made ultra kiddy-fied, since it is using one of their franchises, so I'm hoping that this doesn't go through.

[NeoDreamer]

it's true, there's an avatar movie named avatar and then there's avatar airbender movie... m. night is gonna b making it.

yeah casting is essential, i mean a big thing for me in the voices..so that's kinda shitty..they should just make it a huge animated film.

whenever it gets a trailer or clips, i'll be happy to see it if it's good enough.

i heard they making a live action WoW game too, so that might work too.

[Hat Hair]

There's really no way that they can pull a live action movie off, at least not if they want to translate the animation fully. The characters, the voices, the acting, the ethnicities, the martial arts... there will be lots of CG, lots and lots of CG to make up for the actors' understandable lack of martial arts prowess.

So much so that they might as well just make it animated. Basically if it is live action, you're going to be disappointed, but that doesn't mean it will necessarily be a bad project. I would still be more confident if it were animation or completely CG like Final Fantasy, assuming that it is true.

[Twilight Deity Link]

yeah 2shea is right

they better not freaking make it all kiddy

it's action
so let it be action


WHAT?.............................

[ROFLrae]

i'd be nervous to watch a live-action movie. i don't think i actually would. it would totally ruin the whole vibe of the show for me. half the greatness is the unique animation.

[Lonely Soul]

About the live-action movies, here's a small article about it from an issue of Entertainment Weekly. ^^


http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/7958/avataric9.png

[HinaJunkie713]

Well honestly if M. Night is involved then the story might be saved. He is an amazing director and he'll make sure it's done right. Three of them might give enough time for a full story, but it all has to be after the end of the series is already finished or else the two will clash too much. My only worry is the type of story they do. I have no doubt they'll go to great lengths to make sure it's an ok story but that could mean three 3 hour movies that are basically Books 1 (Water) 2 (Earth) and 3 (Fire) compressed to the essentials and live action. Or they might do the same thing most animated serieses do when they're made into movies, live action or otherwise, where they have a sidetracked adventure, basically a lame disjointed story that never gets mentioned in the main story at all and it's like it never happened. That always sucks (Except in the first pokemon movie cause the memory loss thing made it work AND it actually was shone a bit in the main storyline.)

As to my fics: My Avatar fic, not the toph lemon, WILL continue. I might mix the toph lemon into a later part of the story for kicks though... My Naruto stuff's gonna get done too. Though that might take awhile. I need a break from naruto.

Also if you really like my Avatar fic THEN POST REVIEWS ON FF.NET FOR THE FIC!!! (I'm Junkie713 on ff.net)

[@lk3mizt]

^ yay!! im so going to join that forum! i loved your fanfics! lets know when u update it! pm me if you can! :wtf

[Sakura Kaijuu]

Arg...I haven't been here in ages and ages. :cry

I missed watching nearly all of season two on tv and only just downloaded and watched the stuff I missed.

And all I can say is, even though I was already slightly spoiled and sort of saw it coming, why Zuko??? Why would you do that? Why would you go back to your coniving, scheming sister when you know there's nothing in it for you!!!! EVER!!!!! She lies!!!! *sobs*

Anyway, with that out of my system, I hope these live action movies will be cool. They better be.

And I now I really just want to see more Avatar. I need to know what happens.

I wonder if Aang hadn't popped in at just the wrong moment whether Katara healing Zuko's scar would've changed his mind. Hmmm...

And is it just me or is Avatar ending on darker and darker notes? I mean sure, Toph and Aang and Katara and Sokka are more kickass than ever, but I think about three times as many people have died this season. Assuming Suki and the other Kiyoshi warriors are dead.

Um. Anyway. I think I'm done fan-spazzing for now. >_<

[Hell On Earth]

It's good that it's getting darker, anyway when the new season out.

[C_Akutabi]

And all I can say is, even though I was already slightly spoiled and sort of saw it coming, why Zuko??? Why would you do that? Why would you go back to your coniving, scheming sister when you know there's nothing in it for you!!!! EVER!!!!! She lies!!!! *sobs*

Would you rather he stay on his "medication" :P (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/44494861/?qo=41&q=Zuko&qh=boost%3Apopular+age_sigma%3A24h+age_scale%3A5)

[Hat Hair]

It's good that it's getting darker, anyway when the new season out.

No idea about the new season, but I think the second season finale is going to be as dark as it gets. Conquering the earth kingdom is impressive enough for the fire nation, keeping in mind that they had already wiped out the air nomads before the story began (the events of which I wouldn't mind seeing chronicled in the third season for an episode or three). It's actually a bit boggling that the fire nation never bothered with taking over the southern water tribe to begin with given that Katara seemed to be their only bender.


And is it just me or is Avatar ending on darker and darker notes? I mean sure, Toph and Aang and Katara and Sokka are more kickass than ever, but I think about three times as many people have died this season. Assuming Suki and the other Kiyoshi warriors are dead.

Fairly curious about the fates of Longshot and Smellerbee; it just seemed rather neglectful of Aang and friends to leave them in a swarm of dai lee, although it could be argued that with the dai lee focused on Aang's group they might have been able to get away. But even one earthbender of that caliber would be enough, so...

At any rate, I think Azula may be smart enough to take a lot of the avatar's allies as prisoner for insurance/mind games as a failsafe.

[Hell On Earth]

They make the Fire Nation to strong in my opinion.

[Tenrow]

No idea about the new season, but I think the second season finale is going to be as dark as it gets. Conquering the earth kingdom is impressive enough for the fire nation, keeping in mind that they had already wiped out the air nomads before the story began (the events of which I wouldn't mind seeing chronicled in the third season for an episode or three). It's actually a bit boggling that the fire nation never bothered with taking over the southern water tribe to begin with given that Katara seemed to be their only bender.




Fairly curious about the fates of Longshot and Smellerbee; it just seemed rather neglectful of Aang and friends to leave them in a swarm of dai lee, although it could be argued that with the dai lee focused on Aang's group they might have been able to get away. But even one earthbender of that caliber would be enough, so...

At any rate, I think Azula may be smart enough to take a lot of the avatar's allies as prisoner for insurance/mind games as a failsafe.

Well you know it's quite obvious that the main priority of the Fire Nation was to take over Ba Sing Se. The S. Water Tribe is probably on their lowest end of their to do list. What I'm more concerned about is the fate of Uncle Iroh. Did Iroh die while trying to save the avatar, or did he just get captured. In any rate you know that he's going to get executed for treason.

[Hell On Earth]

Maybe Aang might save the fool.

[Instant Karma]

I don't care what anybody says, i love that show. I have it programmed on my watch list on my statellite box.

I was pissed when Zuko sold out his uncle like that. I wonder now with the Fire Nation controlling Ba Sing Se now, what's gonna happen. And now that Aang cant get back to that state when he's the avatar since he chose to not let go of Katara what he's gonna do.

[Sakura Kaijuu]

They make the Fire Nation to strong in my opinion.
Well, they need to be insanely strong in order to present an actual threat to that universe.

I was pissed when Zuko sold out his uncle like that. I wonder now with the Fire Nation controlling Ba Sing Se now, what's gonna happen. And now that Aang cant get back to that state when he's the avatar since he chose to not let go of Katara what he's gonna do.
Well he did let go of Katara in the end. And he entered the Avatar state in a really calm state. He just forgot to take Azula into account.

[Acidblood7]

Any news about the third season (3rd book), I heard it was gonna be around march, and its about how Aang recovers his damaged avatar spirit.

[Pulp Fiction]

I don't have cable anymore so can some one update me on whats happened so far?

[Hat Hair]

Well you know it's quite obvious that the main priority of the Fire Nation was to take over Ba Sing Se. The S. Water Tribe is probably on their lowest end of their to do list. What I'm more concerned about is the fate of Uncle Iroh. Did Iroh die while trying to save the avatar, or did he just get captured. In any rate you know that he's going to get executed for treason.

Yeah, I know, but given how mind-numbingly easy it would have been they could easily have done it as an after-thought. Of course that may be the reason why they haven't bothered to, but c'mon they could send a bunch of scrubs and get the job down. It just strikes me as an odd little oversight, especially since the inclusion of even one master watebender, which they now have, makes it that much more difficult and a stronger potential threat.

And Iroh's still alive. I imagine if/when he kicks the bucket they'll play it up a lot more.


They make the Fire Nation to strong in my opinion.

I disagree.

It isn't necessarily that the fire nation is too strong, rather the fire nation has had their focus on war/conquest while the other groups basically sat around and twiddled their thumbs; it's one of the reasons why they have superior technology as it is and a more organized military force plus the propaganda. Combine this with a bit of luck (Ba Sing Se's infrastructure had been weakened before Azula even arrived, never mind that the earth kingdoms themselves weren't even all that united nor were the water tribe) and it's not surprising that the fire nation has become as successful as it is. I imagine it's when fueled by Souzen's comet that they'll attempt taking on the water tribe again.

All I can say is that Ozai better be a beast, otherwise Azula might as well take the guy's place.

[Soxfan17]

Does anyone know when the new season starts???

[ReikaiDemon]

You could make the same parallels from Avatar to WWII, Nazi Germany, and Fascist Italy had huge power because other nations were too pacifistic, or too economically drained to do anything about it. The show is greatly layered this way, with world history, classic literature, and social science.

[Instant Karma]

You could make the same parallels from Avatar to WWII, Nazi Germany, and Fascist Italy had huge power because other nations were too pacifistic, or too economically drained to do anything about it. The show is greatly layered this way, with world history, classic literature, and social science.

I see what u r saying. I kinda agree with that.

[HinaJunkie713]

When Zuko realizes Iroh will be executed for treason he'll let him go. Then Iroh will find his way to Aang somehow and teach him fire bending. He'll also be really comforting about the time Aang accidentally burned Katara and will have a story where he did something similar.

[Rukie]

If anyone's wondering about the new VA for Uncle Iroh (yes, for those who don't already know, Mako is dead [RIP]), the helarious short on Nick.com has given us a preview of his new voice actor, and it was just confirmed on the front pages of avatarspirit.com:
Iroh VA Confirmed: Lastly, thanks to barbamamma65, we've been able to confirm that Greg Baldwin is indeed the permanent replacement for Mako as the voice actor for Iroh. Here is a link to the announcement on the SBV Talent Agency website.
www.avatarspirit.com

[ReikaiDemon]

When Zuko realizes Iroh will be executed for treason he'll let him go. Then Iroh will find his way to Aang somehow and teach him fire bending. He'll also be really comforting about the time Aang accidentally burned Katara and will have a story where he did something similar.

Well, before I heard they casted a new Iroh, I would've thought it would've been a cool story twist if Iroh was executed, Zuko is grief soaked, and vengeful, and decides to teach/Join Aang.

[kakoishii]

I'm gonna miss Mako as Iroh. Something tells me Iroh's whole character will lose its authenticity now that someone with zero asian descent is voicing him -_- oh well, it's not you can bring back the dead or anything.

[Rukie]

I'm gonna miss Mako as Iroh. Something tells me Iroh's whole character will lose its authenticity now that someone with zero asian descent is voicing him -_- oh well, it's not you can bring back the dead or anything.
I'm telling you, this Greg Baldwin guy who's voicing him now did a fantastic job in the online short. I did a double-take, I almost couldn't tell the difference. Some people say he speaks a little slower than the original, probably in his effort to sound like the Mako, but we'll find out when we hear him in season 3.

[Rhyth]

One of the best series on Nickelodeon, both for young and older audiences. Can't wait for the 3rd season to start, as well as the release of the DVD box set for season 2.

[Lutheneior]

I think the avatar the last airbender is awesome, where I am they have only just started the 2nd season, I'm so glad I have broadband I've finished season 2.
I just have to say that Avatar Kyoshi and Avatar Roku are the best.

[The Thieving Queen]

just watched the animated shipping short. Funny to think the directors are taking notice of what the fans are up to with thier characters. I think it could probably count as fan service. :nuts
And yeah, Greg Baldwin did a fantastic job, he sounds nearly exactly like Mako.

[Rukie]

According to Avatarspirit.com, the creators stated that Avatar is expected to end season 3 with the Aang/Firelord Ozai Battle. I guess that means it's over after season 3.
www.avatarspirit.com

(Oh, yea, and for those who are worried about the Avatar life-action movie... the creators of Avatar are supporting it, so it shouldn't be a total disaster. Heck, it might even be good. :) )

[ReikaiDemon]

According to Avatarspirit.com, the creators stated that Avatar is expected to end season 3 with the Aang/Firelord Ozai Battle. I guess that means it's over after season 3.
www.avatarspirit.com (http://www.avatarspirit.com)

(Oh, yea, and for those who are worried about the Avatar life-action movie... the creators of Avatar are supporting it, so it shouldn't be a total disaster. Heck, it might even be good. :) )
Maybe they'll get Shaolin Soccer-like effects...They do use stuff from that movie as basis for the series.

[kakoishii]

for those of you who were uber fans of Mako, you might want to check out his last performance before his death as master splinter in the TMNT movie premiering this friday.

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Does anyone know when the Avatar's next season is going to start?

[Sakura Kaijuu]

Does anyone know when the Avatar's next season is going to start?
No. And it's driving the fandom generally insane. >_<

[D-rush ninja]

My brother and I enjoy Avatar very much. However we would like to see new episodes.

[Rukie]

My brother just got the newest issue of Nick Magazine today... NO mention of the next season of Avatar at all.

This is scary... what if we do end up having to wait until August or September for the new season? :amazed

[Sylar]

New season coming Febuary 2008. Its confirmed by the creators.

Its not and I lied.

[Hat Hair]

My brother just got the newest issue of Nick Magazine today... NO mention of the next season of Avatar at all.

This is scary... what if we do end up having to wait until August or September for the new season? :amazed

Look at the bright side, that gives us a few extra months before we start bitching about the lack of a fourth book. :P

[Triggerhappy69]

According to Avatarspirit.com, the creators stated that Avatar is expected to end season 3 with the Aang/Firelord Ozai Battle. I guess that means it's over after season 3.

Wow, only 3 seasons and it's over?

I thought they'd atleast make 4 to match up with the number of elements in the series.

[toxicxkisses]

It's an ok tv show, but it seems to target young children as their audience rather than teenagers.

[Sakura Kaijuu]

New season coming Febuary 2008. Its confirmed by the creators.

Its not and I lied.
Now that's just mean spirited. :P

It's an ok tv show, but it seems to target young children as their audience rather than teenagers.
Yeah. Well by the nature of Nickelodeon in general their target audience sort of has to be kids. But it seems to attract the older audience. In the grand scheme of things it's a pretty dark series. It's just that there's so much comic relief that it doesn't seem that way. A lot of people have died.

Wow, only 3 seasons and it's over?

I thought they'd atleast make 4 to match up with the number of elements in the series.
Yeah...I thought so too. But three seasons makes sense. I mean...What can they really do after Fire? I know Air comes next in the element count, but Fire will be the climax of the series. After that it'll just be epilogue.

But maybe Book Three will be extra long?

Who knows.

[Robotkiller]

It's an ok tv show, but it seems to target young children as their audience rather than teenagers.

Tell that to, jet. Wait, you can't. He had his internal organs crushed via earthbending:(

[ReikaiDemon]

Tell that to, jet. Wait, you can't. He had his internal organs crushed via earthbending:(
I really think that they don't target children specifically, but everyone who likes a good story.

[The Cheat]

I really think that they don't target children specifically, but everyone who likes a good story.

Maybe, but I think just because its aimed at a young audience doesn't mean it can't be enjoyable.

[Sakura Kaijuu]

Maybe, but I think just because its aimed at a young audience doesn't mean it can't be enjoyable.
I don't think anybody's saying that. :amuse

It's just that because it's Nick, they do have to make sure that it'll appeal to their target audience.

That's the problem with a lot of things. They can be aimed at kids, and just because of that, they'll be completely disregarded by older people. It's a shame, because there's a shitload of awesome stuff for kids.

...Is it a little obvious that I was raised by a children's librarian? :laugh

[Morwain]

Wow, only 3 seasons and it's over?

I thought they'd atleast make 4 to match up with the number of elements in the series.

A 4th season may be produced actually as kinda a life after the fire nation was defeated kinda thing but, right now is has yet to be confirmed.

As for when the next season starts Nick has not declared on official date at least not that i've heard only that will be between April 27 2007 and Fall 2007 sadly:cry

[Dimezanime20]

April 27? So then it had aired?

[Omega id]

I couldn't find one drop of information for Season 3 a few month ago and I don't seem to find any hints of it today...

I don't know if my friend told me this to be an ass or not but he said that Nickolodeon cancelled the show (he said this yesterday) but I know he is full of shit... however, I wouldn't be suprised. Wouldn't be the first good show Nick has decided to just stop airing.

[ReikaiDemon]

I couldn't find one drop of information for Season 3 a few month ago and I don't seem to find any hints of it today...

I don't know if my friend told me this to be an ass or not but he said that Nickolodeon cancelled the show (he said this yesterday) but I know he is full of shit... however, I wouldn't be suprised. Wouldn't be the first good show Nick has decided to just stop airing.
He was being a dick, go kick him in the nuts
(http://news.awn.com/index.php?ltype=top&newsitem_no=17250)

[Creator]

Its good. But dissapointed at the fact we dont know how the hell it finishes. When is the 3rd book coming out?

[Manwë Súlimo]

^People are worrying that it will come out in September. Personally, I wish it wasn't true, but with every new bit of information on it I am reluctantly growing convinced that it is.

Anyway, I love Avatar. I think the pacing is better than the Naruto anime. They can use flashbacks more effectively than any Naruto episode without trying a million times, as shown in the episodes The Storm and Zuko Alone. The characters are well written (Toph is pure awesomeness), and the story, while perhaps a bit generic, is top-of-the-line in developement. True, it's on Nick, which is not known for making serious anim[e]ted sagas, but the show proves itself with almost every episode.

[Gunners]

You think the series will continue after the 3rd season? Him facing something new or do you think it will just close and end the way it will in the finale.

[Manwë Súlimo]

They may begin a spinoff series... but Nick is pretty quick to drop its shows like hot potatoes once they're over.

[ReikaiDemon]

^People are worrying that it will come out in September. Personally, I wish it wasn't true, but with every new bit of information on it I am reluctantly growing convinced that it is.

Anyway, I love Avatar. I think the pacing is better than the Naruto anime. They can use flashbacks more effectively than any Naruto episode without trying a million times, as shown in the episodes The Storm and Zuko Alone. The characters are well written (Toph is pure awesomeness), and the story, while perhaps a bit generic, is top-of-the-line in developement. True, it's on Nick, which is not known for making serious anim[e]ted sagas, but the show proves itself with almost every episode.
They only use a billion flash backs so they space the anime away from the manga in terms of content. Avatar is written just for animation alone, so there's no need to stall for source material to develop, it is the source e.e Plus anime like Naruto have to conform to some rather weird rules, for one, it can't take a prolonged hiatus, or else the series is canceled. There is a lot of freedom in American projects. So it's really, very unfair to compare Naruto's pacing to Avatar's due to the conditions that Naruto has to adhere to.

[Kameil]

I would have liked to see a Flashback of Gyatso's mastery of Airbending considering seeing how many firebenders he took out before he perished he must have been something.....

[ReikaiDemon]

I would have liked to see a Flashback of Gyatso's mastery of Airbending considering seeing how many firebenders he took out before he perished he must have been something.....
The fact that there was firebender corpses around his was kinda surprising though. Airbenders are based off of Buddhist monks arent they? It's surprising that they would kill other living beings, much less fellow human beings. Plus Airbending itself, which based off of bagua zhang, is a largely unlethal style, so the ability to kill is almost impossible alone. Gyatso mush be very strong to be able to kill using airbending.

[Kameil]

The fact that there was firebender corpses around his was kinda surprising though. Airbenders are based off of Buddhist monks arent they? It's surprising that they would kill other living beings, much less fellow human beings. Plus Airbending itself, which based off of bagua zhang, is a largely unlethal style, so the ability to kill is almost impossible alone. Gyatso mush be very strong to be able to kill using airbending.

From the deep scratches on some firebender helmets I would assume he used Air to slice his opponents.....

[Hangatýr]

Maybe he took a leaf out of Baki's book.

[ReikaiDemon]

Maybe he took a leaf out of Baki's book.
Or maybe he taught Baki XD

[drache]

Someone was asking when Book 3 will be out, I have heard unconfirmed reports that the season will start July 16th. But I've not seen an offical release yet on that date.

As for after book 3, well there's stil 1 element left in the whole naming thing (air) so I think we could see a 4th season. But after that I doubt it, I mean the show has moved past being just a generic kid's cartoon but I can't see avatar going past 4 seasons on Nick.

[Rukie]

Someone was asking when Book 3 will be out, I have heard unconfirmed reports that the season will start July 16th. But I've not seen an offical release yet on that date.

As for after book 3, well there's stil 1 element left in the whole naming thing (air) so I think we could see a 4th season. But after that I doubt it, I mean the show has moved past being just a generic kid's cartoon but I can't see avatar going past 4 seasons on Nick.
Wrong. It was reported by the co-creators themselves that this 3rd season is the last one planned. The epic battle between the Fire Lord and Aang is reported to be at the end of season 3. Sorry.

I do, however, hope you're right about the release date of season 3. Still a ways out, but a solid date makes me worry less.

[Hat Hair]

If there's no fourth season (and who really knows given how early DBZ was supposed to end) I can see why Nick would want to stretch the third season out JLU style, if only for the sake of merchandise and brand relation. Of course, when the movie comes out there'll be a resurgence... At any rate, I could see why Nick would wait until the Summer. Given Avatar's success, I am interested in seeing if Nick will contract them to do a new show.

[Dellishell]

Love the show, love toph more. Toph is made up of badass swirls and winning pwnzzors. She just rocks. Pure Awesome and Great Character.

Zuko=Sasuke which is fine by me, because I love emo badasses with bitchy evil siblings.

Aang is pretty much Naruto with a bald head, meh his fights are cool though.

Sokka is a don and a pimp more than Dark Scenider is, equal only by Iroh in being a pimping god. He's made of win. Funny as hell.

Katara was cool, till toph came and took her spotlight, now she's just there to be the love interest of Aang so she's meh to me, just like Aang is meh to me.

Iroh, The Coolest Old Person since George Carlin and Hulk Hogan, he's rivaled by toph as pure badass and win.

Azula is a kickass Villain, her badassness is second to toph and she's one of my favs villains of all time. Mai and Ty Lee are sweet to, perferably mai.

And the rest cept Koh, King Bumi, and Smellerbee, can rot in hell for all I care, don't care.

Love the fights, love the story, the complex depht, great character develpment, ancient asian themes, and awesome fighting styles known as Bending.

Oh and did I mention I love toph?

Avatar is teh win.

10/10.

[Kai]

You think the series will continue after the 3rd season? Him facing something new or do you think it will just close and end the way it will in the finale.

Well, common sense shows that there was an element for each season, so that would be 4 books at around 80 episodes.

I guess Avatar is halfway done, but they would probably add in specials and a movie in the future blah blah.

Anyways, I have a feeling Iroh is going to be Aang's firebending teacher in the upcoming season.

[drache]

Wrong. It was reported by the co-creators themselves that this 3rd season is the last one planned. The epic battle between the Fire Lord and Aang is reported to be at the end of season 3. Sorry.

I do, however, hope you're right about the release date of season 3. Still a ways out, but a solid date makes me worry less.

Planned or not, there's a certain symetry to having 4 season becuase of the naming scheme. And series often go past thier plans or fall short of them. Look at Stargate, it was rumored to be on it's last season for 4 times now, who knows maybe this time will really be the last time.

[Rukie]

Planned or not, there's a certain symetry to having 4 season becuase of the naming scheme. And series often go past thier plans or fall short of them. Look at Stargate, it was rumored to be on it's last season for 4 times now, who knows maybe this time will really be the last time.
I said that the report states that 3 was the last season planned. They could come out with another. Avatar is such an awesom show, who knows... maybe there will be more after the Fire Lord's eventual defeat. Or victory. Maybe he'll win, which would prompt another season.

[Gunners]

Aang is pretty much Naruto with a bald head, meh his fights are cool though.
Aang and Naruto are nothing alike. Naruto is a loud mouth Aang is quite peacefull. The way they fight is completly defensive Naruto is a brutal fighter ( just look at his move set) Aang is evasive.

_____

Personally I hope this story ends here with the firelord being defeated. I hope they kick start it though using the same cast but a diffrent adventure. Seeing as they have to create balancing in the world other potential problems can arise for him to deal with. The previous Avatars wouldn't have had one problem alone I would think.

[Twilight Deity Link]

hmm...but they signed on for 3 more seasons so.......
Hey do you remember when aang said he had friends in the fire nation,well...?!
WHAT!!!!!!!!!
Twilight deity link you must be a gainyus!!!!!!

[Pein]

started an avatar pimping thread

[elena6375]

avatar...good times. anyone know when the new season is?

[Bandit]

does anyone know when the new season beings
it would be wonderful if you did
thanks

[Whitest Rose]

I think Nickelodeon has requested 3 more seasons of AVATAR after Book 3....

Someone told me this in the AVATAR FC, so don't expect it to be accurate news.

The FC is in my siggy....
RandomPokes told me the news. ^^

Anyway, I wuv AVATAR. :wtf

Toph PWNS! :yell

[Utz]

Heard somewhere (maybe here? lol), that the new season starts around September. Kind of late, but at least it'll eventually come.

[Niko Bellic]

i like this show,my 7 yr old brotha watchs it

[Robotkiller]

I think Nickelodeon has requested 3 more seasons of AVATAR after Book 3....

Someone told me this in the AVATAR FC, so don't expect it to be accurate news.

The FC is in my siggy....
RandomPokes told me the news. ^^

Anyway, I wuv AVATAR. :wtf

Toph PWNS! :yell

The creators have stated that they plan to have Aang face Oozai the firelord by the end of next season. I don't see how they could drag the series on longer than that :/

[Whitest Rose]

Well, the creators said they plan to keep the AVATAR series going for as long as they can.... Well, that's what they said in the interview....

Found on AvatarSpirit. ^^

I also don't get how it could be longer than that....

I hope Aang VS Ozai has beautiful effects. :wtf

I wanna see it so badly....

Uhhh...

TOPH! :yell

[Rukie]

The creators have stated that they plan to have Aang face Oozai the firelord by the end of next season. I don't see how they could drag the series on longer than that :/
Unless, like I said before, Aang loses, and the Fire Nation gains the power of Sozin's comet. That could possibly spark a fourth season, and would take care of the redicculous "Book 4: Air" rumors.

(And yes, Toph rules.)

[Twilight Deity Link]

I posted this before

This is a quote from Beckett magazine: Pokemon on an article that is about avatar.

"Steve: I understand Nickelodeon signed on for 3 more seasons. That means there will be at least 6. In the past, you said you had a pretty complete story idea that would only be 3 seasons. If this is true, what happens to aang and Co. after season 3?"

"BRYAN KONIETZKO: We havent changed our original plan and aim with this story and these characters since the day we pitched it 5 years ago. Lets just say it's too early to say what we have in store next, but we are excited, so we hope the fans will be too."

"MIKE DIMARTINO: Although this part of Aang's story ends w/ Season 3, we're really excited about the "Avatar" Live action movie that M. Night Shyamalan is writing, producing, and directing. The first movie will encompass all of aang & company's adventures from Season 1- well, mabey not all of them. It's hard to fit all those stories into 2 hours"


not mine, other person's comment from other group
(If what they are saying is true, then there will be 120 episodes in all! AND A LIVE MOVIE!!!! I cant wait.And if anyone wants proof, check Beckett: Pokemon issue 90. May 2007.)

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