Nickelodean's "Avatar: The Last Airbender" Discusion [Archive] - Page 46

serialkiffer

03-26-2009, 09:01 AM

Wow... I hadn't expected people to be talking about my animated fanfic on places other than youtube... Well Before you ask, I am just the writer/director... I didnt do any of the animation or drawings... I am sorely lacking in those 2 departments...

If anyone has any questions that I am able to answer at this time I'll do my best...

Also please understand all the animations in the trailer are tests in animation... They aren't scenes from the show... So some things will look more refined in the final cut...

**Note** It looks as if there are several plot holes at this point because I cant just spill my guts about the entire story... So please understand I'm not one of those stupid writers who does absolutely no research or has the mental capacity of a thimble... I have read many horrible fan fics on avatar, and trust me, I know why people would worry...

So the things you are concerned about, have logical reasoning, but I cant speak on them at this time... It would be too much of a giveaway if I did...

So fear not... There's method to the madness...

Vino

03-26-2009, 11:06 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK-RhHWjPGE

Yeah I saw that, the animation is a bit weird at some scenes and the colouring could be better, and the plot doesn't really make sense, ah well, at least people try to keep Avatar alive. :)

serialkiffer

03-26-2009, 11:29 AM

Yeah I saw that, the animation is a bit weird at some scenes and the colouring could be better, and the plot doesn't really make sense, ah well, at least people try to keep Avatar alive. :)

And may I ask what you even know about the plot for it to not make sense?

Vino

03-26-2009, 12:08 PM

1) The next avatar should be water type.

2) Aang's death is a bit weird, since he's younger than Zuko and Azula, and they should die before him, unless Aang got killed or died from some disease.

serialkiffer

03-26-2009, 12:28 PM

1) The next avatar should be water type.

You are right... The next avatar is a waterbender... Like I said, I did my homework... Water, earth, fire, air, then it starts back over to water...

2) Aang's death is a bit weird, since he's younger than Zuko and Azula, and they should die before him, unless Aang got killed or died from some disease.

Well all I can say is, people die at whatever age... Death doesn't really care how old you are... Babies die every day, but you never here anyone saying, "well my grand ma is alive, so a baby dieing doesnt make sense" As for how he died, we arent at liberty to say at the moment... That info is considered a SPOILER...

Wesley

03-26-2009, 12:59 PM

serialkiffer

03-26-2009, 01:11 PM

There won't be a new Avatar. Aang's the last one. There won't be any new Airbenders, therefore the cycle is broken. And it was shown in the Airbender temple. The way the Avatars were counting downward in a spiral, with Aang's place being the end of the spiral.

Uh... No... Aang isnt the last avatar... When he dies you still have the water, earth and fire reincarnations... Which a rough estimate gives them 100 years each to live... Though Kioshi lived for 200 years... And so in 300 years, if the air nomad population hasnt recovered, then the cycle will be broken, and then the avatar will cease to exist...

And of course the spiral of avatars in the temple led down to aang, they kinda cant add statues of avatars that have yet to be born... That and there was only so much room in that one chamber... I would assume they had another room to start adding more statues in at a later point... You know... If they all hadn't been killed...

stab-o-tron5000

03-26-2009, 02:11 PM

serialkiffer

03-26-2009, 02:33 PM

actually, the spiral ended at Roku, but the point still stands. it was never said that Aang was the last avatar, and if some of the fanart i've seen is any indication, he's more than well equiped to make more airbenders.

I'm thinking aang has a 1/3 chance of having an airbender kid every time he conceives a child...

1/3 chance it could be a water bender...

1/3 chance it could be an air bender...

1/3 chance it could be either water tribe or air nomad, but is a nonbender...

If born an airbender, then Aang is on his way... If born a nonbender Air nomad, then he's still on his way, after all, that kid has a chance of having air nomad bending or nonbending kids...

But he's screwed if it comes out water tribe in any way...

Ema Skye

03-26-2009, 04:11 PM

Zuko learns that some people has it worse than him (http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6479/1233805821884.jpg).

Awesome fanart :lmao

Jove

03-26-2009, 05:27 PM

Wow, I didn't expect this. Very cool to see someone involved show up. It's good to know that the person creatively responsible for the plot is such a well-informed fan.

And someone that obviously is cognizant about the fandom. It seems that you're well aware of some of the factions out there that make it difficult for a project like this. Well, I look forward to something measured and erudite. :thumbs

ReikaiDemon

03-26-2009, 05:52 PM

I'm thinking aang has a 1/3 chance of having an airbender kid every time he conceives a child...

1/3 chance it could be a water bender...

1/3 chance it could be an air bender...

1/3 chance it could be either water tribe or air nomad, but is a nonbender...

If born an airbender, then Aang is on his way... If born a nonbender Air nomad, then he's still on his way, after all, that kid has a chance of having air nomad bending or nonbending kids...

But he's screwed if it comes out water tribe in any way...
As much as that doesn't work in real life, this is fiction, so it's pretty much as simplistic as trying to concieve four times to get an airbender.

Though, bending is learnable, it's not something that's in blood, so you could just teach any kid a form of bending.I suppose a person's nature influences the preferable attribute of their chi.

As for Aang's death in the fan series, I'd like to say spiritbending shortened his life.

Jove

03-26-2009, 06:16 PM

As much as that doesn't work in real life, this is fiction, so it's pretty much as simplistic as trying to concieve four times to get an airbender.

Though, bending is learnable, it's not something that's in blood, so you could just teach any kid a form of bending.I suppose a person's nature influences the preferable attribute of their chi.

As for Aang's death in the fan series, I'd like to say spiritbending shortened his life.

Well, that's true and it's not true. You can't teach just anyone bending. According to Mike and Bryan, only a small portion of each of the Four Nations are born with the ability to bend. And genetics are a factor as well. It's just that chi is profoundly more important.

RM: Okay, next I know I'm going really left brained and you can call me a geek because I am, but in "The Fortuneteller" you have a pair of twins...kids...one is an earthbender and one isn't. So is bending genetic, or is it some sort of spiritual thing? How does it work?

BK: Mike and I just got new puppies. They're brothers. They have the same mother and father. Same litter. Mike's dog can just sit in a crate and be happy as a clam. My dog just loses all control...everything. Who knows why these things happen? They're beyond our full understanding.

MDD: Yeah, Katara's mom and dad weren't benders. Maybe it's a recessive gene. I've always seen it as more spiritual connections, though. A little bit mysterious...

BK: I mean we've definitely talked about it. I think, again, sometimes we might not know...it's more of what we don't want it to be. We didn't want it to be like there is a lineage...a royal family or something...and these people can bend and then there's everyone else as non-bending, people who never will. Some sort of caste system. Mike and I are more attracted to more of the flux type universe. The only constant is change, variation, that sorta thing. I'm sure it's a bunch of factors.

***Interviewers note: About 20 mins after the interview, Bryan came back to me and we spoke a little more about the basis of bending off recorder. He described bending as more of a talent. You have some genetic basis for potential, but you could go your whole life without developing the talent into ability. Some people have more inherent talent than others, while others with minimal inherent talent can still develop it through hard work and practice. He reiterated a connection to the spiritual energies is the underlying basis. How it manifests is based on upbringing and experience.

serialkiffer

03-26-2009, 07:28 PM

I think it goes like this...

In the avatar universe Races cant mix... They just cant... What I mean by that is this...

Take a look at fire nation people compared to water tribe people...

Fire nation people have golden eyes, and light skin... Water tribe have blue eyes and darker skin... If a Fire nation person were to have a kid with a water tribe person, the child would be born looking either 100% fire nation, or 100% water tribe... It wouldnt be born a firebender with dark skin and golden eyes... It just doesnt work that way in the avatar universe... Its like a random genetic percentage as to whether or not the child will be a bender or non bender... Or one race or another...

Like I'm guessing two benders having a child may have a higher percentage of having a bender child, than two nonbenders would have at having a bender child... But as we saw with katara, two nonbenders can have a bending child... They just most likely have less of a chance...

serialkiffer

03-26-2009, 07:33 PM

As much as that doesn't work in real life, this is fiction, so it's pretty much as simplistic as trying to concieve four times to get an airbender.
As much as what doesnt work in real life?

Though, bending is learnable, it's not something that's in blood, so you could just teach any kid a form of bending.I suppose a person's nature influences the preferable attribute of their chi.
Bending is only learn-able to benders... You cant teach a nonbender to bend... And you cant teach a firebender to earthbend... It just doesnt work that way... You can only bend an element if you are born a bender... Otherwise its a big No... Why do u think sokka was so depressed when he finally realized he was the "Regular" guy in the group...

stab-o-tron5000

03-26-2009, 07:46 PM

But Sokka's a chic bender. the most powerful bending of all!

serialkiffer

03-26-2009, 07:50 PM

But Sokka's a chic bender. the most powerful bending of all!

True...

I mean I like sokka and everything... But I honestly dont see how he ever got a girl to like him... He was a goofy clutz, and he was never funny... We always found ourselves laughing at him, not with him... His jokes were lame, but it was funny to watch him get hurt...

stab-o-tron5000

03-26-2009, 11:30 PM

True...

I mean I like sokka and everything... But I honestly dont see how he ever got a girl to like him...

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/wackinov/SuperSexySokka.png

'Cause he's the Goddamn Sokka that's why!

Koi

03-26-2009, 11:36 PM

I'd hit it.

Also, Chit Sang has/had gray eyes, and he's a firebender.

serialkiffer

03-26-2009, 11:38 PM

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/wackinov/SuperSexySokka.png

'Cause he's the Goddamn Sokka that's why!

You sure?

http://i39.tinypic.com/n7215k.jpg

serialkiffer

03-26-2009, 11:41 PM

I'd hit it.

Also, Chit Sang has/had gray eyes, and he's a firebender.

Well as they get older it could change... It goes from gold to brown... Zuko had gold, and Iroh had brown... But gray would be an ash color... Still fire nation related... But yeah... Anyway...

konohaXzuzu101

03-27-2009, 07:04 AM

hellos! konohaXzuzu101 here!
i'm part of The Dawning of Darkness [(DOD) in short] crew...xp
i'm Cestsalavie92 in YouTube, damei92 in MySpace and zuzu101 in Chatango

http://www.freewebs.com/thedawningofdarkness/apps/photos/photo?photoid=30559938

konohaXzuzu101

03-27-2009, 07:07 AM

Saw the Sokka pics...xD
First one was HOT the other one was...erm...*speechless*
There's another hot pic...the one where Sokka had a sword's master...xp

Wesley

03-27-2009, 09:00 AM

The series is called the Last Airbender. Meaning he's the last one. And no, it didn't lead to Roku. It lead down to Aang, who hadn't been given a statue yet.

serialkiffer

03-27-2009, 10:46 AM

The series is called the Last Airbender. Meaning he's the last one. And no, it didn't lead to Roku. It lead down to Aang, who hadn't been given a statue yet.

I'm pretty sure it led down to roku... Aang was just walking around looking... I'll find a image of it and see...

http://i40.tinypic.com/w2hlk2.jpg

Yeah... It ended with roku... And they had room for like 3 or 4 more statues... And aang didn't stand in the next statues place... He stood in fount of rokus statue looking at it...

Ha! but one guy I talked to seemed to believe the Indian guru was the one who was waiting in that chamber... He just got tired of waiting... lol...

And speaking of off the wall ideas, Another guy seemed to think azula killed herself at the end of book 3... He said it was completely clear... He said after she was chained up she started shooting lightning everywhere in an attempt to end her life...

Now I dont know what sozins comet he was watching... But it wasnt the one I saw... lol... He for some reason got her blasting fire out of her mouth confused with lightning... Which she couldn't do lightning anyway because her hands were chained behind her back... which I don't see how she couldn't have just broke the chains... Or attack katara with a fire blast from the feet or her mouth...

But yeah... I don't get how people get some of those off the wall ideas in their heads... No wonder why most fan fics suck...

stab-o-tron5000

03-27-2009, 11:52 AM

I don't get how people get some of those off the wall ideas in their heads... No wonder why most fan fics suck...

If you hate yourself, go to Deviant Art and search "how I became yours". Then wallow in the horrible horrible character murder. Then rejoice in the fact that, no matter what you could possibly do with a fan project or fan fic, it can never be as bad as that.

As far as Aang being the absolute last airbender ever... I think one of the great things about the avatar-verse is that there is so much (I believe purposefully) left up to the fans imagination,The rules for that world are never set completely in stone (I mean, yes, it does have some concrete rules, but there's a lot left for the fanbase to create and explore.)

Also, as long as it's handled and written well, I've never been a slave to canon (to an extent).

Koi

03-27-2009, 12:17 PM

You sure?

http://i39.tinypic.com/n7215k.jpg

Oh yes. :LOS I stand by my declaration.

Also re: Azula-- Bryke noted somewhere that Azula had just cracked, and social rehabilitation was going to be the key for her to return to.. erm, 'normal,' I guess. She's not dead.

serialkiffer

03-27-2009, 01:01 PM

Oh yes. :LOS I stand by my declaration.

Also re: Azula-- Bryke noted somewhere that Azula had just cracked, and social rehabilitation was going to be the key for her to return to.. erm, 'normal,' I guess. She's not dead.

I tried to tell that to the guy... But you know how some people are...

Jove

03-27-2009, 02:11 PM

If you hate yourself, go to Deviant Art and search "how I became yours". Then wallow in the horrible horrible character murder. Then rejoice in the fact that, no matter what you could possibly do with a fan project or fan fic, it can never be as bad as that.

:uwah

I was hoping that thing would never be referenced here. Revealing Destiny looks sane compared to the abysmal fan desperation of How I Became Yours. How I Became Yours is the Ayn Rand of Zutara fanfics, in writing ability, length, and suffocating ideology...

The girl who does it is cute, though.

Koi

03-27-2009, 02:37 PM

:uwah

I was hoping that thing would never be referenced here. Revealing Destiny looks sane compared to the abysmal fan desperation of How I Became Yours. How I Became Yours is the Ayn Rand of Zutara fanfics, in writing ability, length, and suffocating ideology...

The girl who does it is cute, though.

NO EXCUSES. :sun

But here u can haz turtleducks.
http://i39.tinypic.com/2l960kj.jpg

Jove

03-27-2009, 02:50 PM

NO EXCUSES. :sun

But here u can haz turtleducks.
http://i39.tinypic.com/2l960kj.jpg

That's a different kind of cute, but if there is a Platonic form of "cute" it's turtle-ducklings. :love

I can go turtle-duck for turtle-duck, though. Check out what someone made:

http://fc16.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/090/e/6/AWS_Prescription_by_Duce_Gemini.jpg

Superstarseven

03-27-2009, 03:42 PM

:uwah

I was hoping that thing would never be referenced here. Revealing Destiny looks sane compared to the abysmal fan desperation of How I Became Yours. How I Became Yours is the Ayn Rand of Zutara fanfics, in writing ability, length, and suffocating ideology...

The girl who does it is cute, though.

Fan Desperation? How can you say that?

Mai was made into a villain, poisoned Katara and Zuko's child, threw a dagger at Azula's chest and was killed by Katara's bloodbending soon afterwards.

Nothing desperate about that.

serialkiffer

03-27-2009, 03:52 PM

Fan Desperation? How can you say that?

Mai was made into a villain, poisoned Katara and Zuko's child, threw a dagger at Azula's chest and was killed by Katara's bloodbending soon afterwards.

Nothing desperate about that.

Wow... That sounds like it sucked... BIG TIME...

ReikaiDemon

03-27-2009, 04:00 PM

Well, that's true and it's not true. You can't teach just anyone bending. According to Mike and Bryan, only a small portion of each of the Four Nations are born with the ability to bend. And genetics are a factor as well. It's just that chi is profoundly more important.
That's how it is in Chinese fictionary tropes, Although genetics and talent are closely related, it depends on the devotion of the individual. Chi and blood make it easier though.
I think it goes like this...

In the avatar universe Races cant mix... They just cant... What I mean by that is this...

Take a look at fire nation people compared to water tribe people...

Fire nation people have golden eyes, and light skin... Water tribe have blue eyes and darker skin... If a Fire nation person were to have a kid with a water tribe person, the child would be born looking either 100% fire nation, or 100% water tribe... It wouldnt be born a firebender with dark skin and golden eyes... It just doesnt work that way in the avatar universe... Its like a random genetic percentage as to whether or not the child will be a bender or non bender... Or one race or another...

Like I'm guessing two benders having a child may have a higher percentage of having a bender child, than two nonbenders would have at having a bender child... But as we saw with katara, two nonbenders can have a bending child... They just most likely have less of a chance...
The yellow eyes might be a sign of Firenation nobility. I think in the series, it was mentioned that Iroh went to the spirit realm.

ReikaiDemon

03-27-2009, 04:06 PM

I'm pretty sure it led down to roku... Aang was just walking around looking... I'll find a image of it and see...

http://i40.tinypic.com/w2hlk2.jpg

Yeah... It ended with roku... And they had room for like 3 or 4 more statues... And aang didn't stand in the next statues place... He stood in fount of rokus statue looking at it...

Ha! but one guy I talked to seemed to believe the Indian guru was the one who was waiting in that chamber... He just got tired of waiting... lol...

And speaking of off the wall ideas, Another guy seemed to think azula killed herself at the end of book 3... He said it was completely clear... He said after she was chained up she started shooting lightning everywhere in an attempt to end her life...

Now I dont know what sozins comet he was watching... But it wasnt the one I saw... lol... He for some reason got her blasting fire out of her mouth confused with lightning... Which she couldn't do lightning anyway because her hands were chained behind her back... which I don't see how she couldn't have just broke the chains... Or attack katara with a fire blast from the feet or her mouth...

But yeah... I don't get how people get some of those off the wall ideas in their heads... No wonder why most fan fics suck...

Hmm, does it seem strange that the end of the Avatar line was pretty much preordained with the statues?

Perhaps there is a complex mathematical formula for that? :zaru

Azula couldn't fight efficiently, she was going insane, and she was sleep deprived.

Jove

03-27-2009, 04:34 PM

That's how it is in Chinese fictionary tropes, Although genetics and talent are closely related, it depends on the devotion of the individual. Chi and blood make it easier though.

That's fair enough, but in the Avatar universe, unless you were born with the ability to bend, you will never bend.

serialkiffer

03-27-2009, 04:37 PM

That's fair enough, but in the Avatar universe, unless you were born with the ability to bend, you will never bend.

Exactly...

stab-o-tron5000

03-27-2009, 04:49 PM

Probably the best comparison to make is to the "Harry Potter" world. "Benders" are the wizards and witches and non-benders are the muggles. Muggles can't learn magic no matter how hard they try (or want to).

After all, how else would Aang have been able to take away Ozai's bending if it was something he learned. That would be like taking someones math away?

sweets

03-27-2009, 04:51 PM

loved this show once upon a time ago. :love

The Cheat

03-27-2009, 05:00 PM

Here's some fanfic thats actually decent:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FanficRecs/AvatarTheLastAirbender

Wesley

03-27-2009, 08:18 PM

serialkiffer

03-27-2009, 09:44 PM

Except there are some extremely awesome "muggles" in Avatar. :pek

Not really... If you aren't really a bender... You kinda suck...

Kaenboshi

03-27-2009, 10:07 PM

The issue with the Zutara fandom summed up in a single piece piece of fanart. (http://skeithnire.deviantart.com/art/Avatar-feat-Twilight-Zutara-115769389)
Not really... If you aren't really a bender... You kinda suck... Umm... no. Both in terms of fighting ability and character in general non-benders come off better than muggles when compared to wizards. :oh

stab-o-tron5000

03-27-2009, 10:42 PM

Not really... If you aren't really a bender... You kinda suck...

He's right men, we're all benders here, we've nothing to fear from a normal... Wait a minute, what's that...
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/wackinov/Gettingready.png

...

OH SHI...
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/wackinov/TyLee2.png

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/wackinov/TyLee.png

It would appear Ty Lee disagrees with your assessment.

serialkiffer

03-27-2009, 11:11 PM

It would appear Ty Lee disagrees with your assessment.

Wow... Just Ty lee? She's a special case I guess... A one in a million shot you might say...

ReikaiDemon

03-27-2009, 11:51 PM

Wow... Just Ty lee? She's a special case I guess... A one in a million shot you might say...
Um, what? ._.

Wesley

03-28-2009, 01:01 AM

Wow... Just Ty lee? She's a special case I guess... A one in a million shot you might say...

Did you even watch the show?

Zen-aku

03-28-2009, 01:33 AM

Wow... Just Ty lee? She's a special case I guess... A one in a million shot you might say...

Start watching at 5:04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-cnbr62Clc&feature=channel_page

konohaXzuzu101

03-28-2009, 08:28 AM

Not really... If you aren't really a bender... You kinda suck...

that's not true!!!
Mai kinda rocked and so did tylee...:mgnt
there was the lady that had a huge mole that could sniff anything and find that person...she was quite a good fighter too! smile-big

:naruramen
yumyums

ReikaiDemon

03-28-2009, 09:39 AM

Did you even watch the show?Seconded, Ty Lee isn't a special case, she just has some damn good kung fu(which is Dim Mak, the actual name for "combat" tai chi.), Piandao can't bend, but he has jian skills that put Sozin Comet powered firebenders to shame, Jun can't bend either, but she's a BEAST of a bounty hunter, Mai can do more with her knives and hands than a whole guard of firebenders, those pirates really gave Aang and the firebenders a run with their kung fu, Gur Pathik can't bend, but he's probably the most spiritually powerful non-bender that has the knowledge to teach the Avatar anything, even Jet gave benders a lot of trouble. You don't need to bend to kick a lot of ass, bending is just a wide spread form of kung fu that kingdoms use in their military and culture. Benders can probably hold their own with just using their kung fu styles without bending as well.

Superrazien

03-28-2009, 10:59 AM

Doesn't the Avatar movie start filming this month? Wonder how long till we get some pictures.

ReikaiDemon

03-28-2009, 04:34 PM

Doesn't the Avatar movie start filming this month? Wonder how long till we get some pictures.When fancorders are successful in breaching film set security

serialkiffer

03-28-2009, 07:09 PM

Ty Lee isn't a special case, she just has some damn good kung fu.
She is a special case... The only nonbender who can take on a bender...

Piandao can't bend, but he has jian skills that put Sozin Comet powered firebenders to shame.
You are kidding right? I hope so... He only took on the other non benders, and ran and left paku when firebenders showed up... Then paku would have been killed if Jeong jeong hadnt saved him... So yeah Piandao is a good swordsman, but could only beat nonbenders and weak benders...

Jun can't bend either, but she's a BEAST of a bounty hunter. Because her mole thing helps her out...

Mai can do more with her knives and hands than a whole guard of firebenders, those pirates really gave
I never understood how she had over 50000000 daggers, and other pointy things just up her sleeves... But if I had to choose, I wouldnt want her on my team...

Jove

03-28-2009, 07:37 PM

Doesn't the Avatar movie start filming this month? Wonder how long till we get some pictures.

According to Avatar Portal, based on what their source told them:

The Last Airbender trailer/teaser has in fact been completed, and will be shown in the previews of Transformers 2 when it comes out this summer!!!!!!! It has been confirmed it is in fact "bad-ass" with Noah going Kung-Fu crazy. Transformers 2 is due out June 24 2009 according to IMDB, so we will get our first direct peek of the movies from MNight in only 3 months!!!!!

Superstarseven

03-28-2009, 09:21 PM

Well...sounds cool to me.

ReikaiDemon

03-28-2009, 10:15 PM

She is a special case... The only nonbender who can take on a bender...

You are kidding right? I hope so... He only took on the other non benders, and ran and left paku when firebenders showed up... Then paku would have been killed if Jeong jeong hadnt saved him... So yeah Piandao is a good swordsman, but could only beat nonbenders and weak benders...

Because her mole thing helps her out...

I never understood how she had over 50000000 daggers, and other pointy things just up her sleeves... But if I had to choose, I wouldnt want her on my team...
To reiterate, um, what? ._.

RAGING BONER

03-28-2009, 10:34 PM

Sokka's sword master was pretty badass for a normy...ofcourse Zuzu > all

Wesley

03-28-2009, 10:48 PM

Sokka himself was pretty awesome.

Nizuma Eiji

03-28-2009, 11:00 PM

serialkiffer

03-28-2009, 11:21 PM

Jet was captured and brainwashed by benders... And eventually killed by a bender, with one little earth pillar... He fought well against weak firebenders... And did ok against zuko, but zuko wasn't bending...

Dont forget Suki was captured by azula for like 500 episodes... She did good against weak benders... But when faced with a strong one like azula, she couldnt cut it...

So nonbenders are nothing compared to strong benders...

stab-o-tron5000

03-28-2009, 11:41 PM

J
So nonbenders are nothing compared to strong benders...

Neither are weak benders. So your saying that normal humans are at least on par with weak/normal benders.

J
Dont forget Suki was captured by azula for like 500 episodes... She did good against weak benders... But when faced with a strong one like azula, she couldnt cut it...

That's like saying someone sucks because they couldn't beat superman!

For the most part, I actually agree with you.

In general, benders are easily superior to normal humans. But you have to admit that, in the avatar world, there are some normal humans that can stand up to benders. Maybe not go toe to toe against the big time benders (main cast and such), but I wouldn't say that being a non-bender automatically = suckage. Yes, they're at a disadvantage (significantly in some cases), but that doesn't mean "normals" can't be used as good characters.

serialkiffer

03-29-2009, 12:07 AM

Neither are weak benders. So your saying that normal humans are at least on par with weak/normal benders.
No, I'm saying skilled nonbenders are on par with weak/normal benders...

but that doesn't mean "normals" can't be used as good characters.
No it doesn't... They can be good characters... It just means I wouldn't want them on my side in a fight...

ReikaiDemon

03-29-2009, 12:13 AM

There's also the non-bender warriors of the water tribe, they give the firebenders plenty of trouble.

Benders just have the benefit of reach, non-benders could use dim mak, take away their chi circulation. I don't think either human is better than the other in kung fu ability, all bending needs the use of hands and feet, and establishing a good root, most forms of kung fu is centered on breaking balance, and redirecting paths. Ty Lee is not a special case, she wasn't born being able to stop chi. Any human with enough talent can take on benders, even the strong ones if need be.
If Ty Lee is capable of using death touches, then we can assume that non-benders can use chi in the same way it is utilized in the real world.

stab-o-tron5000

03-29-2009, 12:27 AM

No, I'm saying skilled nonbenders are on par with weak/normal benders...

Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at, just didn't word it right

No it doesn't... They can be good characters... It just means I wouldn't want them on my side in a fight...

I think the back and forth that got started here was a bit of a misunderstanding really.

It's your original statement I had a knee jerk reaction to. Can you see how this:
Not really... If you aren't really a bender... You kinda suck...
Came across the wrong way? Since you seem to have meant "If you aren't really a bender... Your not as useful in a fight..." but it instead came across like you were saying that if you not a bender your not a worthwhile person/character.

I, for one, tend to really dislike the whole POWER = CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT trap that most anime (*cough* sage mode *cough* *cough* ultra hollow Ichigo) tends to fall into. It's one of the reasons I always liked Avatar. While they did get stronger throughout the show. It was never used as a substitute for character development. The bending and fight scenes accented the storyline, they didn't become the storyline.

serialkiffer

03-29-2009, 01:01 AM

I think the back and forth that got started here was a bit of a misunderstanding really. Since you seem to have meant "If you aren't really a bender... Your not as useful in a fight..." but it instead came across like you were saying that if you not a bender your not a worthwhile person/character.

Oh, well I like sokka... I just pretty much think he got lucky every time he was in a fight, up until he took swordsman training... And unrealistically mastered it in less than a day...

stab-o-tron5000

03-29-2009, 01:05 AM

... And unrealistically mastered it in less than a day...
Hey! ...it was like, two days, possibly three.

Though he was hardly a "master" by any stretch. Even Paindo told him he wasn't very good.

serialkiffer

03-29-2009, 05:31 PM

A new concept art video is up...

Avatar: The Dawning Of Darkness, Concept Art Promo 3...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ5XxyPvnZY&fmt=18

Jove

03-29-2009, 08:17 PM

I, for one, tend to really dislike the whole POWER = CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT trap that most anime (*cough* sage mode *cough* *cough* ultra hollow Ichigo) tends to fall into. It's one of the reasons I always liked Avatar. While they did get stronger throughout the show. It was never used as a substitute for character development. The bending and fight scenes accented the storyline, they didn't become the storyline.

But that's been a useful for sociological purposes. Kubo's been so deficient for so long, that now Ichigo looks somewhat cool and Bleach Avenue goes bonkers over it. Not just brainwashed sycophants like TV, either. :LOS Normally sane people believe that Bleach is exciting right now because of the long dearth of worthwhile material.

But the point is a good one. The balance of the show was exceptional and unusual. The show had fighting, but was not focused upon the fighting. Likewise, the show had a supernatural power exclusive to a small portion of the show's world, but this power was not supreme. Having the power did not equate to an automatic win over someone who did not.

And I strongly disagree with the assessment that skilled non-benders are at the level of benders that are weak or of normal ability. Nothing in the show suggests this, but characters like Piandao and Ty Lee directly repudiate it.

Piandao's home was invaded by a platoon of one hundred soldiers, and he defeated them all. And what are the odds that all one hundred of them were non-benders? Or that the benders involved were weak? The Terra Team were considered elite Earthbenders, and even with numbers they were dismantled by Ty Lee. The Yu Yan Archers were able to subdue Aang, who was not only an Avatar but an Airbender, which should be the worst kind of enemy for projectile specialists.

serialkiffer

03-29-2009, 08:39 PM

The Yu Yan Archers were able to subdue Aang, who was not only an Avatar but an Airbender, which should be the worst kind of enemy for projectile specialists.
First of all, Aang sucks... Second of all, he was pretty weak in season one... Zuko took on a Yu Yan Archer and broke his bow with one tiny fire blast... So yeah...

Jove

03-29-2009, 08:51 PM

First of all, Aang sucks... Second of all, he was pretty weak in season one... Zuko took on a Yu Yan Archer and broke his bow with one tiny fire blast... So yeah...

Ah, so you are a troll.

Koi

03-29-2009, 09:06 PM

WAIT, MY FRIENDS NEED TO SUCK ON THOSE FROGS!

serialkiffer

03-29-2009, 09:09 PM

Ah, so you are a troll.

So I have to like aang to not be a troll?

Jove

03-29-2009, 10:25 PM

So I have to like aang to not be a troll?

We're not discussing which characters we like. In fact, that's the only part of that post with any validity.

1. You said Aang was weak in Book 1. He was an Airbending Master.

2. You also said that Zuko fought a Yu Yan, which never happened.

So either you are just trying to push this argument further to amuse yourself, or you don't know the show very well.

serialkiffer

03-30-2009, 12:48 AM

We're not discussing which characters we like. I felt like pointing it out anyway...

1. You said Aang was weak in Book 1. He was an Airbending Master.
Well he looked weak to me...

2. You also said that Zuko fought a Yu Yan, which never happened.

Uh, yeah it did...

ReikaiDemon

03-30-2009, 12:49 AM

But that's been a useful for sociological purposes. Kubo's been so deficient for so long, that now Ichigo looks somewhat cool and Bleach Avenue goes bonkers over it. Not just brainwashed sycophants like TV, either. :LOS Normally sane people believe that Bleach is exciting right now because of the long dearth of worthwhile material.

But the point is a good one. The balance of the show was exceptional and unusual. The show had fighting, but was not focused upon the fighting. Likewise, the show had a supernatural power exclusive to a small portion of the show's world, but this power was not supreme. Having the power did not equate to an automatic win over someone who did not.

And I strongly disagree with the assessment that skilled non-benders are at the level of benders that are weak or of normal ability. Nothing in the show suggests this, but characters like Piandao and Ty Lee directly repudiate it.

Piandao's home was invaded by a platoon of one hundred soldiers, and he defeated them all. And what are the odds that all one hundred of them were non-benders? Or that the benders involved were weak? The Terra Team were considered elite Earthbenders, and even with numbers they were dismantled by Ty Lee. The Yu Yan Archers were able to subdue Aang, who was not only an Avatar but an Airbender, which should be the worst kind of enemy for projectile specialists.That's exactly what I'm trying to explain :hug

Kaenboshi

03-30-2009, 01:13 AM

2. You also said that Zuko fought a Yu Yan, which never happened.
Sorry, Jove, but he is right. He's talking about Vachir (http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Vachir) when Zuko and Iroh ran into the Rough Rhinos.

Jove

03-30-2009, 01:14 AM

Sorry, Jove, but he is right. He's talking about Vachir (http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Vachir) when Zuko and Iroh ran into the Rough Rhinos.

Oh, that? I suppose that sort of counts. Though that is one separated member of an Archery platoon, and it doesn't discount that they captured a bending master.

That's exactly what I'm trying to explain :hug

I like it when we don't fight. :love

Kaenboshi

03-30-2009, 01:29 AM

Yeah, can we talk about something other than tiers?

Jove

03-30-2009, 01:35 AM

Yeah, can we talk about something other than tiers?

I don't think this is a debate about tiers. Not on the side I'm aligned with, at least.

Kaenboshi

03-30-2009, 01:51 AM

I'd say a debate about the value of non-benders at least overlaps with tier debates, but whatev.

RAGING BONER

03-30-2009, 02:29 AM

i don't think Aang ever mastered air bending...atleast not the way Toph mastered earth and whatshername (the annoying chik) mastered water and Azula mastered Fire.

those three could take it to the pinnacle of their craft, bending Blood, Metal and Lightning respectively...Aang just floated around on a ball of air like a retard.

now the mummy of that Airbender they found meditating, surrounded by dozens of his enemies corpses...THAT guy seemed more like he woulda been an airbending master to me.

stab-o-tron5000

03-30-2009, 02:45 AM

Jove

03-30-2009, 02:57 AM

It was stated in the show that Aang was an airbending master. He actually invented the air scooter... that little ball he "floated around on like a retard". From what I remember, only masters have the tattoos.

Yeah, the tattoos are the sign of a Master. In fact, Aang was the youngest Air Nomad to ever receive the arrows. He was a true prodigy.

serialkiffer

03-30-2009, 09:20 AM

Yeah, the tattoos are the sign of a Master. In fact, Aang was the youngest Air Nomad to ever receive the arrows. He was a true prodigy.

Prodigy? Uh... No... Azula was a true prodigy... He was only granted tatts and the tittle of master because he got creative and made up a move... It didnt take too much skill, seeing as how every other airbender was doing it like the day after him... But I guess it doesnt take too much to be a master of air... Even though he never learned to fly like roku... And no telling what other airbending moves he missed out on that he could have been taught when he got older...

Jove

03-30-2009, 04:12 PM

Prodigy? Uh... No... Azula was a true prodigy... He was only granted tatts and the tittle of master because he got creative and made up a move... It didnt take too much skill, seeing as how every other airbender was doing it like the day after him... But I guess it doesnt take too much to be a master of air... Even though he never learned to fly like roku... And no telling what other airbending moves he missed out on that he could have been taught when he got older...

All of your arguments are transparent opinions with no evidence. Aang was the youngest Air Nomad to be considered a Master. He invented a unique technique. That is a prodigy.

Aang had passed 35 of the 36 levels of Airbending. The council of monks considered the air scooter highly enough to give him his arrows before the mastery of the 36th. It was a technique devised utilizing compact circular motion, balance, and concentration of energy, showing Aang had an astute understanding of the precepts of Baguazhang.

Mentioning Azula was expected. But we do not need to delineate levels of precocity; your arguments are pitiful enough with this obsession with tiers.

Superstarseven

03-30-2009, 06:51 PM

D1am0nds

03-30-2009, 06:54 PM

Avatar is my show!!@@!

Noah

03-30-2009, 07:09 PM

I had held out for a while because everyone was squirting themselves over it.....but has enough time to say that the fan video from a few pages ago is shitting on my fond memories of Avatar?

...cuz it is, ya know. :zaru

Jove

03-30-2009, 07:13 PM

Pictures of 2 random Firebenders from the movie set
http://www.lastairbenderfans.com/cutenews/data/upimages/LAFexclusive_01.jpg

There are also some set pictures found here (http://www.lastairbenderfans.com/)

What's a... white guy doing on the set of The Last Airbender? :hmm

I'm not sure about the uniforms. It looks like an attempt to be more accurate for our world, not the Avatar one.

Seto Kaiba

03-30-2009, 07:20 PM

What's a... white guy doing on the set of The Last Airbender? :hmm

I'm not sure about the uniforms. It looks like an attempt to be more accurate for our world, not the Avatar one.

I think they'll be masked. I'm assuming at least.

Chee

03-30-2009, 08:16 PM

Engh. I have my doubts about this movie.

Noah

03-30-2009, 09:39 PM

^ It's M. Night. If you didn't have serious doubts, you'd have head trauma.

In regards to the soldiers. Eh...I don't mind them. I'm sure they'll look far more impressive on screen.

Superrazien

03-30-2009, 09:39 PM

What's a... white guy doing on the set of The Last Airbender? :hmm

I'm not sure about the uniforms. It looks like an attempt to be more accurate for our world, not the Avatar one.

Yeah adapting awesome fantasy worlds into ours seems to be the trend. Why, I don't know, when you see the success as something like LOTR it makes no sense to base something closer to our world.

Koi

03-30-2009, 10:24 PM

I dunno, I like their sideburns.

Superstarseven

03-30-2009, 11:27 PM

Another ambitious fan project.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB-JydJK5LI

Great video editing here.

Noah

03-31-2009, 12:04 AM

Wow. Bland character designs aside, that looks like something I might actually want to see made.

Or, at least, the editing makes it seem pretty GDA.

Kaenboshi

03-31-2009, 12:26 AM

That trailer actually made a next-gen story look appealing. Weird.

Mider T

03-31-2009, 12:38 AM

The only problem I have is the lack of Tokka (canon)

Superrazien

03-31-2009, 04:16 AM

serialkiffer

03-31-2009, 10:00 AM

So me and my friend were having a discussion about Avatar. Avatar is one if Nicks highest rated shows ever and has won a number of awards. Its also one of the only decent American cartoons in the fantasy genre in a long time. With all this, how come it seems like its barely marketed? They don't even show Avatar re-runs on the main station they show it on Nicktoons network which I'm sure less people have than the regular Nick. I also hardly ever see any toys, shirts, posters, ect.. We have a few video games but those were so half assed . It really makes no sense, why do you guys think Avatar isn't promoted much?

It was a popular show, but it didnt too do well as far as toys and video games... Merchandise didint sell, despite the over all popularity of the show...

I heard thats why they canceled the show, they couldnt make big bucks off of it like they do Spongebob or Dora...

I heard there were going to be 6 seasons of Avatar, but Nick told M and B to wrap it up at 3... It all comes down to money pretty much...

Superstarseven

03-31-2009, 11:52 AM

What happened Kiffer? I thought you were an Uber-fan? That whole 6 seasons nonsense was debunked a long time ago.

stab-o-tron5000

03-31-2009, 01:05 PM

No, its true. After the first three there was supposeed to be:
BOOK 4: Air
then
BOOK 5: Dongs
then finally
BOOK 6: Zuko punches a hooker in the face*

*I'm somewhat unsure how that was supposeed to last a whole season, but I have faith that Mike and Bryan would have found a way.

serialkiffer

03-31-2009, 02:05 PM

What happened Kiffer? I thought you were an Uber-fan? That whole 6 seasons nonsense was debunked a long time ago.

I said its what I heard... I didnt say I was 100% sure... And I'm not one to stay on message boards long... So I drift in and out of the gossip loop...

ReikaiDemon

03-31-2009, 04:55 PM

What's a... white guy doing on the set of The Last Airbender? :hmm

I'm not sure about the uniforms. It looks like an attempt to be more accurate for our world, not the Avatar one.
Looks like Japanese armor, but also looks like designs from Chinese armor is incorporated in it, looks like Song dynasty or Qin dynasty designs.

I would think that the colors of Avatar wouldn't translate well, and the designs would be too simplistic to be taken seriously. Though, knowing how much they're changing content in translation to live action, it would be a blessing to actually see series faithful designs.

I mean, look at the Storm Riders armor.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2425/stormriders2movie2.jpg
The armor is accurate, and the designs are similar to Avatar, so stuff from Avatar should look good when portrayed in real life without changing it much.

Koi

03-31-2009, 09:24 PM

^..Who is that man? :hmm

Iroh + Lu Ten. :cry Dammit Bryke!
http://fc19.deviantart.com/fs38/i/2009/061/2/e/ArtTrade_FanArt_for_PickleLova_by_rinoaneko.jpg

Jove

03-31-2009, 10:13 PM

Looks like Japanese armor, but also looks like designs from Chinese armor is incorporated in it, looks like Song dynasty or Qin dynasty designs.

I would think that the colors of Avatar wouldn't translate well, and the designs would be too simplistic to be taken seriously. Though, knowing how much they're changing content in translation to live action, it would be a blessing to actually see series faithful designs.

I mean, look at the Storm Riders armor.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2425/stormriders2movie2.jpg
The armor is accurate, and the designs are similar to Avatar, so stuff from Avatar should look good when portrayed in real life without changing it much.

That's something I've wondered about since I downloaded that torrent: how is the live-action version? Do they still do the shadow movements? How's the bending? I have to say, I like how the costuming looks.

Also, SOKKA + HAWKY! :love :X3 :love

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs27/f/2008/132/2/b/Hawky_Love_by_onyx_the_conqueror.png

http://www.deviantart.com/download/77136987/4c7575d1a1fb17a3a761f0e9026b7daa.jpg

ReikaiDemon

03-31-2009, 11:16 PM

That's something I've wondered about since I downloaded that torrent: how is the live-action version? Do they still do the shadow movements? How's the bending? I have to say, I like how the costuming looks.

Also, SOKKA + HAWKY! :love :X3 :love

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs27/f/2008/132/2/b/Hawky_Love_by_onyx_the_conqueror.png

http://www.deviantart.com/download/77136987/4c7575d1a1fb17a3a761f0e9026b7daa.jpg
The live action is really good, but never watch the awful unliscenced tv live action series. They're making a sequel to the first live action movie a while ago. CG is pretty good for representing the special moves.

Superstarseven

03-31-2009, 11:41 PM

What? No one here has seen this awfully edited video that tries to tie in Storm Riders with Avatar's element bending?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl5c3miMffQ

Insane.

ReikaiDemon

03-31-2009, 11:49 PM

What? No one here has seen this awfully edited video that tries to tie in Storm Riders with Avatar's element bending?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl5c3miMffQ

Insane.
Fire was lulz, wtf? The guy couldn't use the Flame Kirin?

Jove

04-02-2009, 04:09 PM

Fire was lulz, wtf? The guy couldn't use the Flame Kirin?

It looks like he's bending in the storage room of a Town Hall. That said, he's basically firebending the American flag. I'm appalled; you don't fake-bend the flag, godammit. If it was John Chang, though, that'd be aaaaaalllriiiight. :thumbs

Also, this was directed to me earlier today:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/infamo0s/joystick/IMG_8667.jpg

Custom-built Toph SFIV Stick! :X3

ReikaiDemon

04-02-2009, 07:17 PM

It looks like he's bending in the storage room of a Town Hall. That said, he's basically firebending the American flag. I'm appalled; you don't fake-bend the flag, godammit. If it was John Chang, though, that'd be aaaaaalllriiiight. :thumbs

Also, this was directed to me earlier today:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/infamo0s/joystick/IMG_8667.jpg

Custom-built Toph SFIV Stick! :X3
That stick is on her non-boobie D:
I would make it an animated pad, so when you push the buttons, an LCD on the face makes Top earthbend :D

Jove

04-02-2009, 07:39 PM

That stick is on her non-boobie D:
I would make it an animated pad, so when you push the buttons, an LCD on the face makes Top earthbend :D

That might be a typo, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it wasn't. And I hope it's not. :LOS

With the stick and the buttons, I'm surprised we haven't seen a thoroughly disturbing Zutara design yet.

ReikaiDemon

04-02-2009, 07:53 PM

That might be a typo, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it wasn't. And I hope it's not. :LOS

With the stick and the buttons, I'm surprised we haven't seen a thoroughly disturbing Zutara design yet.:LOS:LOS:LOS

Jove

04-02-2009, 11:45 PM

Lastairbenderfans.com has emerged as the go-to site now. We've got the Water Tribe costume:

http://www.lastairbenderfans.com/cutenews/data/upimages/costume_01.jpg

And a more elaborate, Terry Gilliam-esque look at the Fire Nation uniform:

http://www.lastairbenderfans.com/cutenews/data/upimages/costume_02.jpg

Koi

04-03-2009, 12:07 AM

..You know, I can't complain so far. In the costuming, anyway. There seems to be a certain whimsy to them.

Noah

04-03-2009, 12:19 AM

It might be the colors, but the Fire Nation costume looks more like an Earth Kingdom outfit to me.

The water tribe outfit, however, I fully approve of. Then again, all we need is a heavy blue robe to be acceptable. :zaru

Koi

04-03-2009, 12:25 AM

It looks like a bad photo, but aren't Earth Nation black and.. green? i still want colbert for earth king

Kaenboshi

04-03-2009, 01:19 AM

This is just going to be weird, isn't it?

Koi

04-03-2009, 02:13 AM

Most likely. You know how weird? You ever like, go in for a hug with someone, but go in for a polite kiss at the same time and they are totally not into that kiss so it becomes this awkward 'why is my cheek so close to yours' hug? THAT weird.

Superstarseven

04-03-2009, 03:39 AM

Jove

04-03-2009, 03:49 AM

A producer on the film has his own Twitter account.
http://twitter.com/LeDoctor
updates on the progress of the movie every day so far.
One particular tweet caught my attention

@JimSpielman MIke and Brian consulted on the script and have visited the sets and met the actors, but they are not involved day to day.

I certainly hope that means they are working on something themselves. But regardless of that, any hopes that Mike and Bryan were going to save this movie should be thoroughly dispelled.

Vino

04-05-2009, 09:13 AM

Do any of you guys know where to get this track in Roku's past episode where he battles Sojan for the first time? I really like that theme...

Al-Yasa

04-05-2009, 10:18 AM

Do any of you guys know where to get this track in Roku's past episode where he battles Sojan for the first time? I really like that theme...

whose sojan

Vino

04-05-2009, 10:54 AM

whose sojan

Rofl, sorry, I meant Sozen.

Ennoea

04-05-2009, 02:18 PM

I heard the guy from Slumdog Millionaire will be playing Zuko, I bet fangirls are screaming blood:lmao

stab-o-tron5000

04-05-2009, 02:29 PM

Avatar wins a Peabody award. (http://www.peabody.uga.edu/news/event.php?id=59)

"Unusually complex characters and healthy respect for the consequences of warfare enhanced this American-made, anime-influenced martial-arts adventure."

Wow, didn't expect that.

And in other news...
Heres a recent pic of Mr. Rathbone

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/wackinov/WrathBone.jpg

Chee

04-05-2009, 02:58 PM

It looks good on Sokka... but in real life?...engh.

MAYBE IF HE WAS TAN LIKE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IT WOULDN'T BE AS BAD. *still pissed*

Ennoea

04-05-2009, 03:52 PM

Isn't that guy plaing Ang? Wtf.

Superstarseven

04-05-2009, 04:11 PM

Wow, so Rathbone has the warrior wolf tail already.
In other news, Katharine Houghton (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0396455/)has been cast as Kanna, Sokka and Katara's grandmother.

This is going to be the absolute whitest tribe of Eskimos I've ever seen on film.

stab-o-tron5000

04-05-2009, 04:12 PM

Isn't that guy plaing Ang? Wtf.
No, he's playing Sokka.

and so far:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/wackinov/Suki.jpg
Suki

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/wackinov/PrincessYue.jpg
Yue

He's one lucky son of a bitch.

-----
There's yet to surface any pictures of the guy playing Aang.

Chee

04-05-2009, 04:19 PM

Very miscasted.

Jove

04-05-2009, 04:24 PM

Do any of you guys know where to get this track in Roku's past episode where he battles Sojan for the first time? I really like that theme...

They haven't had that piece available yet, as far as I know. They have said that they are withholding some passages for a potential soundtrack, so hopefully it will be a part of that.

I'm personally hoping for the cool-jazz-influenced music underneath Aang's attempt to fit in to the Fire Nation market in The Headband, and the Raymond Scott-influenced music underneath the montage of Toph's hustling in The Runaway.

stab-o-tron5000

04-05-2009, 05:07 PM

And Yakety sax during the "crossroads of destiny" battle. Anything else would just seem tacky.

ReikaiDemon

04-05-2009, 09:12 PM

And Yakety sax during the "crossroads of destiny" battle. Anything else would just seem tacky.Polka for the ween

Man, Nicktoons network gets TWO HOURS OF AVATAR A DAY
I just watched Southern Raiders at my friend's house while babysitting his brother

Also, needs Chinese YoYo benders http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdybfykJER0

Jove

04-06-2009, 03:45 AM

Polka for the ween

Man, Nicktoons network gets TWO HOURS OF AVATAR A DAY
I just watched Southern Raiders at my friend's house while babysitting his brother

Also, needs Chinese YoYo benders http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdybfykJER0

I'd like to use my Avatar Fandom Security Council permanent member veto power to strike down the concept of yo-yo bending. That's just weaponry.

Also, I don't have Nicktoons. :(

Though I would like to say that in all of the audacious things that happened to the show over the course of Book 3, one of my least favorite was it's relegation to Nicktoons. It still amazes me that they weren't even repeating first-airs on Nick.

ninryu

04-06-2009, 03:49 AM

that's good show.

Superstarseven

04-06-2009, 12:18 PM

Jove

04-06-2009, 08:35 PM

What's most appalling about it is the disregard for what had worked. Either the show lost favor in a gigantic way (Eric Coleman did leave Nick during Book 3, which I've always felt had something to do with the handling of Book 3), or they took the show for granted.

Whatever the reason, the show's peak, before Finale Week, was the second half of Book 2, when every week the show was in the Cable Top Ten. That run of shows began with the heavily promoted Secret of the Fire Nation, and shortly after the Burger King promotion. They did nothing of the sort for the Book 3 premiere.

My Top 5 Disasters of Book 3

5. The Western Air Temple and The Firebending Masters airs in Canada shortly after The Day of Black Sun, episodes that would not air in the US for another 7 months.

4. The Awakening, the Book 3 premiere and first Avatar episode in 91/2 months, airs with sparse promotional
fanfare.

3.5. GAHHHHHHHHHH, we're so FUCKING PISSED!!:mad :mad :mad Gaiz check out my DA page. We're going to COMIC-CON and we're going to BOYCOTT the panel and show cocksucking ship baiters Mike and Bryan that they hurt our feelings!!!:mad (That's a fandom disaster, but how can I overlook that?)

3. UK Nick decides to air 305-309 in one single week, while the US was still on 305.

2. The Beach.

1. The book adaption of Sozin's Comet, which was released 2 months before the airing of the episodes from which it was adapted.

Of all the arbitrary, spontaneous Top 5's I've peppered this thread with, this was by far the hardest to shave down to 5.

Koi

04-06-2009, 09:37 PM

I liked The Beach god dammit. Jove, stop hating on The Beach. :<

Also, I WISH they'd release the track from The Headband.

Jove

04-06-2009, 09:59 PM

I liked The Beach god dammit. Jove, stop hating on The Beach. :<

Also, I WISH they'd release the track from The Headband.

"Cave Jivin'?" They put it on their Myspace page. I'll send it over.

I was going to put an [um] taunting you and Noah over that one, but I felt that was out of line.

I also couldn't write it out without a lot of cursing, so I gave up.

ReikaiDemon

04-06-2009, 10:04 PM

You're absolutely right Jove, I was certain that Nick would continue the Saturday morning and evening repeats just as they did for the previous season.
I still get confused at the ratings Avatar received before the final 8 episodes aired when this mass of people would just change the channel after watching...Back At The Barnyard which would usually average about 3 million viewers.

Back At The Barnyard.

Avatar didn't even crack a million for the third season premiere. It's almost as if Nick was relying on the internet fanbase to spread the word that the show was back.
Back at the Barnyard can suck my damn cock :pek
Such a mindless, worthless, stupid show, taking Avatar's time :pek :pek :pek
A MALE cow with udders? They must be completely fucking stupid :pek
Ugh, and it's CG, not even good CG.
For that matter, let's blow up iCarly :LOS
:pek
Avatar would've gotten much better treatment on CN :pek Especially pre-2006 CN

Jove

04-06-2009, 10:16 PM

Such a mindless, worthless, stupid show, taking Avatar's time :pek :pek :pek

That's an AWESOME point, Rekky! :X3

Avatar always felt so weird at 8:30. 8 PM sharp was the perfect spot for it. That's why the Coundown to the Comet week worked so well! It was a return to sanctuary after such a dreadful diaspora!

ReikaiDemon

04-06-2009, 10:27 PM

That's an AWESOME point, Rekky! :X3

Avatar always felt so weird at 8:30. 8 PM sharp was the perfect spot for it. That's why the Coundown to the Comet week worked so well! It was a return to sanctuary after such a dreadful diaspora!
Let's go slit some throats, honey :ohpek
Also, epic awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZcQmjlnvwk

Superstarseven

04-07-2009, 01:35 AM

Nick really dropped the ball in advertising the third season, they completely forgot about those casual fans who stopped thinking about the show 2 months after the second season finale. Yeah those loyal fans stuck in there hungry for info and satisfied whenever we got any during the long dry spell but once the season started airing, we couldn't be the only ones relied on to bring in the ratings.

Huge miscalculation on their part. The airing and subsequent ratings of Day Of Black Sun really drove home that point when they saw that the tried and true method of promoting a television program means that more people will tune in to watch.

Chee

04-07-2009, 10:28 AM

Oh, was that the problem? Cause I totally forgot it was on and I missed a good couple of episodes.

Nøøps

04-08-2009, 01:06 PM

:awesome Lolz at tha adverts

Banhammer

04-08-2009, 01:24 PM

Just remembered I know Dev Patel from Skins. :awesome

He's also a very well acomplished Karate fighter, and since he's an oscar winner, it might just turn out good

Superrazien

04-08-2009, 06:25 PM

Just remembered I know Dev Patel from Skins. :awesome

He's also a very well acomplished Karate fighter, and since he's an oscar winner, it might just turn out good

Sholin Kung Fu is way better and different Karate. Him knowing Karate but having to do Sholin is almost like having no experience at all.

Jove

04-09-2009, 01:00 AM

Here's a bit of a head's up. My MD Radio show, the one advertised in my sig, is of special interest tomorrow. I play pieces by the Track Team every week, but this week I'll be playing ALL of them, over an hour's worth of uninterrupted music from Avatar, to close the show. So I feel like it's appropriate to plug the show here this one time.

I'll also be playing kitchen-sink indie pop and Italian Bossa Nova Twee for the first hour. :X3

And in the news...

Today filming on The Last Airbender is taking place at the old Philadelphia Electric Company building. The building opened in 1918 and was closed in 1980. Producer Frank Marshall reveals that the inside of the building is being used as a set, and that they are incorporating all the old machinery of the power plant for filming.

Possibly the Northern Air Temple, perhaps? :hmm

Koi

04-09-2009, 01:21 AM

I think that'd be too much machinery, actually.. although that's probably the best guess.

NAM

04-09-2009, 01:22 AM

so who are the people playing the characters in avatar in the movie?

Superrazien

04-09-2009, 02:39 AM

so who are the people playing the characters in avatar in the movie?

The Last people you would expect.

Superstarseven

04-09-2009, 02:47 AM

This is interesting, apparently this guy (http://www.lethallithics.com/) worked on props for the film. Very obvious that they're Watertribe.
They look great, check them out.
Click on photo gallery and then Movie props.

Nizuma Eiji

04-09-2009, 03:18 AM

Jove

04-09-2009, 07:03 PM

Here's a bit of a head's up. My MD Radio show, the one advertised in my sig, is of special interest tomorrow. I play pieces by the Track Team every week, but this week I'll be playing ALL of them, over an hour's worth of uninterrupted music from Avatar, to close the show. So I feel like it's appropriate to plug the show here this one time.

I'll also be playing kitchen-sink indie pop and Italian Bossa Nova Twee for the first hour. :X3

Graceless plug #2: If anyone was entertaining the thought of taking me up on this, the Track Team segment will begin in about 5 minutes, 6:10 EST.

ReikaiDemon

04-09-2009, 10:44 PM

Sholin Kung Fu is way better and different Karate. Him knowing Karate but having to do Sholin is almost like having no experience at all.
Not really :/ His experience with karate makes learning other styles easier, once you learn a martial art, you'll learn others quicker than a novice. Also, it's a movie, he doesn't need to do full blown techniques of kill level lethality.
Here's a bit of a head's up. My MD Radio show, the one advertised in my sig, is of special interest tomorrow. I play pieces by the Track Team every week, but this week I'll be playing ALL of them, over an hour's worth of uninterrupted music from Avatar, to close the show. So I feel like it's appropriate to plug the show here this one time.

I'll also be playing kitchen-sink indie pop and Italian Bossa Nova Twee for the first hour. :X3

And in the news...

Possibly the Northern Air Temple, perhaps? :hmmPossibly the inside of the drill? :hmm
Gurren Lagann versus the fiyanashun drill :gar

Superstarseven

04-10-2009, 12:52 AM

It's been confirmed by Frank Marshall, producer of The Last Airbender, that the teaser will be out in June.

Jove

04-10-2009, 11:38 AM

There's also this, which has made it's way around just about every message board. This person alleges to be an extra on set. This is a compilation of posts on that subject. I'm willing to believe it, and it's pretty cool of true.

Post 1:

So, as I said in my last post, I was fortunate enough to be cast as an extra in The Last Airbender. I've been training in a gym/basement/garage area in the Temple U health building in Philly for the past few days. The first day I was there I saw Dev Patel training and working on some fight scenes which looked awesome! We really weren't supposed to be watching but I remember seeing him do a back kick followed by a fire knee strike. From what I saw, it looked intense. The next day on set I saw Jackson Rathbone, Nicola Peltz and, yes, Noah Ringer too! Who, as I said, looks remarkably similar to Aang! I saw Nicola practicing some waterbending moves, Noah was working one on one with his trainer and Jackson was sitting and playing on his computer haha. I'm sure he did a lot more, I just didn't witness it! There was also this relatively old man there both days working on martial arts moves with them. He didn't look the instructor type so I'm assuming he's in the movie somewhere... I don't know as who though if he is. Any ideas? I doubt he'd be Iroh, cause A) he's tentatively been cast and B) he was white. We'll see I guess...

But I can't wait to actually be on the set. I'm playing a Northern Water Tribe soldier and I get to be on the set they built in a naval base in Philly which, from what I heard, is fantastic! I hope its true, from how the Northern Water Tribe was drawn, it definitely has the potential to be

Post 2:

I will indeed keep you posted on what I see! but unfortunately, there were no loopies and Jackson's head was still full of hair, though I'd imagine he'd have to shave it pretty soon because they already started filming. And Noah actually was bald, which made him look like Aang all the more. And for what Noah looks like... he's pretty short, but actually the height difference between Jackson and Nicola surprised a bit. He's like twice her size! haha, but I'm sure "movie magic" will fix that! But Noah actually looks like he is partially of Asian decent. Not like a full blown Japanese/Chinese/Korean but at lesat 10% of some oriental region.

Post 3:

Dev's hair looked normal to me, but I think he's going to be wearing a wig in the film. When I was in the makeup truck, I saw a wig with his name on it. And Noah didn't have a blue arrow on his head, but I doubt it'll be CGI'd in. That's not the kinda thing that's done in post. Chances are he will be in makeup for an hour before shooting getting his head and arms painted blue.

Post 4:

It was indeed a bald wig cap with a pony tail sticking out of it. They are definitely going for first season Zuko since this movie is based on the first season. And as for the Asians, yes... there are many many Asian people on set. Some are extra benders, some are extra warriors, and some are the trainers that train the actors in martial arts..

Post 5:

I saw Noah Ringer doing some staff moves and they looked very nice! Either he is a gifted martial artist or he's been practicing like crazy! It was really fun to watch. I also learned that the "old guy" I see in the training area everyday with the cast is going to be playing Master Paku. I'm not quite sure of his name though. He might be an established actor or might not be, I dunno. But I did see him practicing a routine with Nicola (Katara) which I'm assuming was the fighting sequence from when she wants him to teach her waterbending in at the end of "The Waterbending Master." I saw Dev again and I also saw Dev's stunt double doing some flips and twirls, pretty rad stuff indeed.

Superrazien

04-10-2009, 11:47 AM

I hate when they say race isn't an issue. In something like Avatar it is. Its like making a Kenshin movie and having him be white. Or making a Spider-man movie and having Peter Parker be black.

Jove

04-10-2009, 11:50 AM

I hate when they say race isn't an issue. In something like Avatar it is. Its like making a Kenshin movie and having him be white. Or making a Spider-man movie and having Peter Parker be black.

Yeah, I decided to edit that part out and just keep in the vital information... providing that it's actual information. And even accepting what is posted, it is still just someone's observations from afar. Still cool, though, I contend.

Nizuma Eiji

04-14-2009, 06:30 PM

^Where's the rest of those posts Jove.

Superrazien

04-14-2009, 07:01 PM

Yeah, I decided to edit that part out and just keep in the vital information... providing that it's actual information. And even accepting what is posted, it is still just someone's observations from afar. Still cool, though, I contend.

Yeah, I still think it could be a cool movie ( 1,000X better than Dragonball).

Jove

04-14-2009, 07:26 PM

^Where's the rest of those posts Jove.

I'm not sure what you mean, but this is where I got them from: http://www.lastairbenderfans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=130

Nizuma Eiji

04-14-2009, 08:52 PM

^Was asking if there were any updates from that guy.

Koi

04-17-2009, 01:02 AM

Gran-Gran. :3
http://www.lastairbenderfans.com/cutenews/data/upimages/wn_katharine.jpg

Jove

04-17-2009, 10:02 AM

Gran-Gran. :3
http://www.lastairbenderfans.com/cutenews/data/upimages/wn_katharine.jpg

And to answer the important question: Yes. Yes, I would.

Hey, how about some huevos!

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/084/a/8/Avatar_Eggs_by_vantid.jpg

http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs11/i/2006/199/2/0/Avatar_Eggs_by_nie_chan.jpg

http://fc09.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/102/1/5/Avatar_Eggs_by_ayuffers.jpg

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs14/i/2007/097/e/a/Avatar_The_Last_Eggbender__by_Corsetx.jpg

http://fc09.deviantart.com/fs27/i/2008/084/4/b/Oh_Noes_by_SlateReaper.jpg

masterriku

04-17-2009, 03:53 PM

I was readying the last page and I realized something how can the beach be a disaster if you think it never happened Jove?

ReikaiDemon

04-17-2009, 05:04 PM

And to answer the important question: Yes. Yes, I would.

Hey, how about some huevos!

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/084/a/8/Avatar_Eggs_by_vantid.jpg

http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs11/i/2006/199/2/0/Avatar_Eggs_by_nie_chan.jpg

http://fc09.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/102/1/5/Avatar_Eggs_by_ayuffers.jpg

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs14/i/2007/097/e/a/Avatar_The_Last_Eggbender__by_Corsetx.jpg

http://fc09.deviantart.com/fs27/i/2008/084/4/b/Oh_Noes_by_SlateReaper.jpg
First: Best
Last: BLASPHEMY
Also, black Katara

Dragonus Nesha

04-17-2009, 05:50 PM

http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs11/i/2006/199/2/0/Avatar_Eggs_by_nie_chan.jpgSokka's look is perfect.

And...Someone had to. :pek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H25lz7gchaw

Jove

04-17-2009, 06:06 PM

First: Best
Last: BLASPHEMY
Also, black Katara

Is that like Black Athena? :hmm

I was readying the last page and I realized something how can the beach be a disaster if you think it never happened Jove?

The Beach is such an abyss that is creates a paradox maelstrom. If it could, of course.

masterriku

04-17-2009, 08:18 PM

interesting but here is a question that will proably piss you off

OR IS IT?

Mider T

04-17-2009, 11:56 PM

lol Eggheads. When is the movie due out? They need to release (:awesome) before the fail James Cameron version

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=494147 Vote Banana Republic:gar

Jove

04-18-2009, 01:11 PM

interesting but here is a question that will proably piss you off

OR IS IT?

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/joviansatellite/fsd.gif

lol Eggheads. When is the movie due out? They need to release (:awesome) before the fail James Cameron version

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=494147 Vote Banana Republic:gar

We will have a trailer in about a month and a half. :X3

Movie itself is still scheduled for July 2, 2010.

masterriku

04-18-2009, 02:12 PM

I'm only gonna watch because if it does well nick will proably make another series set in the avatar world :del

Jove

04-21-2009, 02:09 PM

According to rumor, that old Electric Company building will be used as the inside of a Fire Nation ship:

http://www.lastairbenderfans.com/images/gallery/pecset_02.jpg

http://www.lastairbenderfans.com/images/gallery/pecset_11.jpg

Also, that idiot that's an extra on the shoot provided this tidbit:

But one thing I'm pretty sure of right now is... Uncle Iroh IS skinny. Yeah, It's strange that no ones complaining about that, but whatevs. Iroh is being played by Shaun Taub, and from what one of the extras that HAS been on set told me, he's not wearing any padding. But it's too late to start complaining now

Kaenboshi

04-21-2009, 02:50 PM

Old abandoned ship, perhaps?Also, that idiot that's an extra on the shoot provided this tidbit This wouldn't happen the same one who was started saying shit about anyone who wasn't gushing over the movie, would it?

Banhammer

04-21-2009, 04:35 PM

maybe there aren't many fat middle eastern super martial artists that can act better than Shaun Taub out there.

Manwë Súlimo

04-21-2009, 06:08 PM

Also, that idiot that's an extra on the shoot provided this tidbit:

That's worse than Roshi not having a beard in Dragon Ball: Evolution. I mean, Iroh's body mass is part of his character. At least put him in a fatsuit or something.

God, I hope "The Last Airbender" is not as bad as DBE. At least the effects will be better, with a $250 million budget.

Jove

04-21-2009, 06:53 PM

Old abandoned ship, perhaps? This wouldn't happen the same one who was started saying shit about anyone who wasn't gushing over the movie, would it?

Well, it's the one I quoted the last page, and the thread can be found here: http://www.lastairbenderfans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=130

I don't recall anything about gushing, but here are some of the pearls:

But to be honest, every time that people bring up the race thing, it pisses me off a little. I mean, let it go! It's not life or death here, it's a movie. It's meant to be watched and enjoyed. If you have such a big problem with it, just ignore it instead of ruining it for the rest of us. It's incredibly juvenile to make so much commotion about it.

I can guarantee fans will not be disappointed... unless you just enjoy complaining to hear yourself talk... like I'm sure many 13 year olds who think they will have an effect on a 150,000,000 dollar film will be doing... as well as 23 year olds trapped in a 13 year old mind set that think complaining about the fact that they slightly changed the insignias will make him the Che Guevara of the internet nerds.

Again: FUCKING. IDIOT. It's too bad he's our source for on-set information.

Information such as...

Noah Ringer from what I've seen during filming is a really level headed kid. I was watching him from across the room while they were filming a scene and he took direction really well and his martial arts looks great. So I have high hopes for this kid! Haha, I saw him kicking around what appeared to be a hand warmer with M. Night between takes

Manwë Súlimo

04-21-2009, 08:27 PM

http://www.lastairbenderfans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=130

http://waynefontes.com/facepalm.jpeg

Hell yes we'll be disappointed if so many things are changed. I mean, changed insignias, thin Iroh, Katara without her loopies? What's left for them to un-Avatarize? They already did it with the name (I understand that was for legal reasons, though).

Kaenboshi

04-21-2009, 10:28 PM

I don't recall anything about gushing, but here are some of the pearlsOkay, not gushing, but she's the one Imeant. :apathy

Manwë Súlimo

04-22-2009, 12:29 AM

Wait, she? And she's a Northern water tribe warrior/waterbender extra? Isn't that, you know, against Northern culture? Not that I support it, but it kinda goes against the storyline. Another :facepalm deviation.

Noah

04-22-2009, 12:38 AM

So it's gotta be 100% or nothing, huh?

Looks like I'm gonna have to reinstate that rape threat again. :zaru

Kaenboshi

04-22-2009, 12:49 AM

I wouldn't have any problem with her if she didn't just didn't go there and stuck more to info.God, I hope "The Last Airbender" is not as bad as DBE. At least the effects will be better, with a $250 million budget. That's for all three. The most this one will probably get is 95 million.

ReikaiDemon

04-22-2009, 01:40 AM

How shameful, they couldn't get Chuck Norris to be Iroh.

Aside from that, I REALLY hope that Iroh won't be CG'ed into being tubby, then superbuff.

I am so sick of CGI used for everything

Manwë Súlimo

04-22-2009, 09:10 AM

That's for all three. The most this one will probably get is 95 million.

Oh. That makes sense, actually.

The Melon Lord

04-23-2009, 11:14 AM

They better include the Melon Lord in the third movie. :pek

Hiroko

04-23-2009, 11:41 AM

My Top 5 Disasters of Book 3

5. The Western Air Temple and The Firebending Masters airs in Canada shortly after The Day of Black Sun, episodes that would not air in the US for another 7 months.

I wish I didn't know that. :facepalm

4. The Awakening, the Book 3 premiere and first Avatar episode in 91/2 months, airs with sparse promotional
fanfare.

I missed almost every episode including the Finale. Pissed is putting it lightly. :pek

3. UK Nick decides to air 305-309 in one single week, while the US was still on 305.

Bitches.

2. The Beach.

When there is OOTP in the series and not as a joke comic reel... That's bad. Very bad. Goku and Friend's was worse, though.

1. The book adaption of Sozin's Comet, which was released 2 months before the airing of the episodes from which it was adapted.

:facepalm

I'm sorry if this is reiterating, but what about Zuko's mother? Has anything been revealed on that by the author's or Nick after the Finale?

And Azula was handled badly in my opinion. A complete anti-climactic motion on her characterization. :facepalm

Jove

04-23-2009, 02:46 PM

I missed almost every episode including the Finale. Pissed is putting it lightly. :pek

:uwah

That's not right, godammit. I still wonder exactly what happened behind the scenes, because Avatar was very well treated in Book 2. I know that Eric Coleman, Nick bigwig was that fully devoted to Avatar, left Nick before Book 3 concluded. I fervently believe it was Avatar related.

I'm sorry if this is reiterating, but what about Zuko's mother? Has anything been revealed on that by the author's or Nick after the Finale?

According to the SDCC panel the week after the finale aired, a scene involving Zuko finding his mother was storyboarded by Joaquim Dos Santos, and Mike DiMartino decided not to go any further than that. What the hell his reasoning was, we don't know.

And it's more ignominious because it is now 8 months later, and we are bereft of any resolution on this. There was a rumor due to a leaked press flyer (of which I have one :X3) that stated that there would be "a series of mini episode on-air and online" in Spring 2009 and Fall 2009." However, when asked about this, Mike and Bryan seemed legitimately confused, and said they were totally unaware of such a thing. The rumors were that they would be about Iroh, or Zuko's search for Ursa.

And yet... nothing. Nothing but M. Night balderdash.

And Azula was handled badly in my opinion. A complete anti-climactic motion on her characterization. :facepalm

Hmmm... that's the first I've heard of that. It's been ecumenically opinion that Azula was one of the more deft characterizations on the show. I thought the denouement, with her total breakdown, was stirring and heartbreaking.

Hiroko

04-23-2009, 03:06 PM

:uwah

That's not right, godammit. I still wonder exactly what happened behind the scenes, because Avatar was very well treated in Book 2. I know that Eric Coleman, Nick bigwig was that fully devoted to Avatar, left Nick before Book 3 concluded. I fervently believe it was Avatar related.

Well, I ended up having to buy the DVDs, which I think was their ploy in all honesty. :pek To this day I've never seen a rerun of the any of the late Fire Book episodes.

According to the SDCC panel the week after the finale aired, a scene involving Zuko finding his mother was storyboarded by Joaquim Dos Santos, and Mike DiMartino decided not to go any further than that. What the hell his reasoning was, we don't know.

And it's more ignominious because it is now 8 months later, and we are bereft of any resolution on this. There was a rumor due to a leaked press flyer (of which I have one :X3) that stated that there would be "a series of mini episode on-air and online" in Spring 2009 and Fall 2009." However, when asked about this, Mike and Bryan seemed legitimately confused, and said they were totally unaware of such a thing. The rumors were that they would be about Iroh, or Zuko's search for Ursa.

And yet... nothing. Nothing but M. Night balderdash.

That is such bullshit. They need to put their differences aside and think the fans. And I don't want to go into Nighty-whitey's smorgasbord of fail too much. Dev should be Sokka, at least. That one little change would probably tempt me to go see this movie--even though I know I would have to sit next to twitards in all likelihood. I'd be willing to risk it for a good Sokka.

Hmmm... that's the first I've heard of that. It's been ecumenically opinion that Azula was one of the more deft characterizations on the show. I thought the denouement, with her total breakdown, was stirring and heartbreaking.

It just seemed like she snapped out of the blue and became a paranoid nutjob. I mean, I know she had her issues, but insecurity never seemed like one of them. And just banishing people? With Azula I would've assumed she would jail or kill people she thought were traitors. I guess they couldn't go with the latter due to it being a 'kids' show.

Kaenboshi

04-23-2009, 05:10 PM

I think there's one thing missing from that list that deserves a special mention. I'm not exactly sure when it happened, but there came a point when the staff became too concerned with shipping, and started addressing more than they should have. To this day I've never seen a rerun of the any of the late Fire Book episodes. They air all the time. Just not on the main network. Not that's good for the show or anything.
And just banishing people? With Azula I would've assumed she would jail or kill people she thought were traitors. How many people did Ozai banish against better judgment?

Hiroko

04-23-2009, 05:17 PM

How many people did Ozai banish against better judgment?

Ozai disfigured his own son, imprisoned his own brother, helped kill his own father... banishing was nothing really in comparison. Azula just always struck me as more of a killer than a banisher. I was just expecting more evil and less paranoid.

Eman5805

04-23-2009, 05:24 PM

Azula's issues in the finale came full circle when her best friends...aka, the girls she thought she had the most manipulative control over... turned on her. I bet to till that point she'd never experienced that kind of failure. She's always been able to dominate and make men 3 times her age fear her, and her so called best friends turned on her? She couldn't instill enough fear in someone her own age that she's known pretty much her whole life? And to top that off, Ozai didn't want to share the glory in shaping his new world, and Azula wasn't having that. Ozai is the only parent who ever showed her any kind of affection (though I say it's only because of her usefulness as a tool to Ozai). She's a control freak that demands perfection "Almost [perfect] isn't good enough!"

You take that perfection away and what are you left with? A sad little girl who felt mommy loved inferior big brother more.

Bitch had issues, and watching her get chopped down bit by bit to culminate in her shooting fire out of her ears was one of my favorite little character arcs in the whole series.

Jove

04-23-2009, 05:40 PM

It just seemed like she snapped out of the blue and became a paranoid nutjob. I mean, I know she had her issues, but insecurity never seemed like one of them. And just banishing people? With Azula I would've assumed she would jail or kill people she thought were traitors. I guess they couldn't go with the latter due to it being a 'kids' show.

I felt it was adequately sequenced. She was always callous and shrewd and detached, and when Mai and Ty Lee betrayed her, Zuko showed the ability to fight with her equally (undermining her status as a singular prodigy), and Ozai condescendingly cast her aside with a perfunctory and entirely devalued position, all her stabilizing influences were gone.

Manwë Súlimo

04-23-2009, 07:22 PM

According to the SDCC panel the week after the finale aired, a scene involving Zuko finding his mother was storyboarded by Joaquim Dos Santos, and Mike DiMartino decided not to go any further than that. What the hell his reasoning was, we don't know.

And it's more ignominious because it is now 8 months later, and we are bereft of any resolution on this. There was a rumor due to a leaked press flyer (of which I have one :X3) that stated that there would be "a series of mini episode on-air and online" in Spring 2009 and Fall 2009." However, when asked about this, Mike and Bryan seemed legitimately confused, and said they were totally unaware of such a thing. The rumors were that they would be about Iroh, or Zuko's search for Ursa.

And yet... nothing. Nothing but M. Night balderdash.

DiMartino explained on the Sozin's Comet DVD commentary that he wanted to give the story of Zuko finding his mother more time to flesh out than 5 minutes at the end of the finale. I understand that- after all, the show was focused on the Avatar's quest to defeat the Fire Lord. The mystery of Zuko's mother, while mentioned in the show, was never central. The finale is no worse for not including it, and I do hope a full-length story of Zuko finding Ursa will be good. I am, however, frustrated that it's taking so long to get to it.

That is such bullshit. They need to put their differences aside and think the fans. And I don't want to go into Nighty-whitey's smorgasbord of fail too much. Dev should be Sokka, at least. That one little change would probably tempt me to go see this movie--even though I know I would have to sit next to twitards in all likelihood. I'd be willing to risk it for a good Sokka.

Don't even think about not seeing the movies. Here's why- the response to the first movie will determine Nick's further action with the Avatar franchise. If the movie is successful, Nick will see that there is still interest in the franchise and likely invest in a new animated series (likely including Zuko finding his mom). If the movie flops, then Nick will figure there's no interest and treat Avatar like a dead horse, likely giving it no new series (and we may never find out about Zuko's mom). You want the former situation and don't want the latter, correct? Then, regardless of how good the movie is, go see it and help give Nick incentive for the former.

Eman5805

04-23-2009, 07:28 PM

That's what I'm talking about. If this movie goes big, then they'll probably green light a new animated series. The AU is too deep a creation for the creators themselves to be capable of only making one story within it.

Hiroko

04-23-2009, 07:35 PM

Don't even think about not seeing the movies. Here's why- the response to the first movie will determine Nick's further action with the Avatar franchise. If the movie is successful, Nick will see that there is still interest in the franchise and likely invest in a new animated series (likely including Zuko finding his mom). If the movie flops, then Nick will figure there's no interest and treat Avatar like a dead horse, likely giving it no new series (and we may never find out about Zuko's mom). You want the former situation and don't want the latter, correct? Then, regardless of how good the movie is, go see it and give Nick incentive for the first.

The possibility of me going to see the live action movie is going to be based on the feedback and reviews that will come. Giving money to them shows that I support the live action movie. That means they'll make more. What if they're utter shit? I don't want them making more if that's the case. And I especially don't want them using my money to do it--little of it that I have.

If that means forgoing some new episode of Zuko's mother then so be it. They can just release a comic book version or something. They'll still make money. And releasing it in that format would be cheaper than animating it that's for sure. Of course, they could always promise the story to be revealed in the LA movie as an incentive for fan's to go see it. I'm not worried, especially with a Twilight actor and Dev being a part of it. They'll make millions with or without me.

Manwë Súlimo

04-23-2009, 07:42 PM

So, preventing bad movies that you won't see from existing is more important to you than helping assure that a good animated series that you will see gets extended?

So be it.

Hiroko

04-23-2009, 08:08 PM

Jove

04-23-2009, 08:22 PM

Well, damn... I totally forgot that tidbit in the commentary. I didn't even note it in my post about the commentary (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=18789625&postcount=10284); I'll have to go back and listen again. It's been too long since I've seen Sozin's Comet, anyway.

But as far as the movie fomenting support for a new series, that's a logical ascertainment. But it also expects Nick to use that kind of fruitful logic. These are the same people that purportedly held back on greenlighting Book 3.

I'm also still haunted by the obliqueness of the interview with Ed Liu at NYCC. Conversely, perhaps Bryan was alluding to reluctance on Nick's part, suggesting that a new series might indeed rest upon the fate of the movies.

Regardless, if you're a fan of the show, you should see the movies. Movie 1 for support, Movie 2 to see a masterpiece adapted, and Movie 3 to see if it's even possible to recreate SC.

Manwë Súlimo

04-23-2009, 09:01 PM

No, if the LA movie is bad then it puts Avatar in a disreputable light. People who see the LA film, who haven't seen the series, will write the animated version off as shit along with it. Since this movie is already on the go, it's too late to hope against it and the point is moot, of course. I can only hope that they salvage what they can.

They know they can make money off of Avatar. They're just playing they're cards right as to figuring out at the precise time they can make the most of it. Like I said, they're going to make millions. They're not going to be releasing anything until the hype is at it's peak, but releasing something so they shall.

Besides, look at Dragonball. DB Evolution tanked. I didn't see that crap either. That doesn't mean they're going to stop making DB animated movies. They've even 'remastered' the TV series into DB Kai. If Nick can't figure out how to cash in on Avatar then they are complete morons. They will be the reason for no more Avatar.

Well, the actual quality of the movie is irrelevant to Nick. All they care about is dollar signs. That could be both a bad thing and a good thing, if the movie is successful.

But as far as the movie fomenting support for a new series, that's a logical ascertainment. But it also expects Nick to use that kind of fruitful logic. These are the same people that purportedly held back on greenlighting Book 3.

:wha Good point lol.

I'm also still haunted by the obliqueness of the interview with Ed Liu at NYCC. Conversely, perhaps Bryan was alluding to reluctance on Nick's part, suggesting that a new series might indeed rest upon the fate of the movies.

Same here.

Regardless, if you're a fan of the show, you should see the movies. Movie 1 for support, Movie 2 to see a masterpiece adapted, and Movie 3 to see if it's even possible to recreate SC.

I wonder what else will be changed up, not out of retardation, but necessity to make the movies flow. Suki will probably play larger roles in the first and second movies. Movie 1 will probably be easy to manage, since they can skip from the beginning of the season to the end with relatively few plotholes. Season 2 will be harder- the season's long story arc will cause large plot holes if too much is left out, but only so much can be fit into a movie without causing it to feel rushed or too long. Season 3 doesn't have such a connected story, but they will need to fit the events of the Awakening, The Day of Black Sun, and Sozin's Comet all into it. I can't wait to see full movie CG airships.:nod

Am I the only one who thinks leaving Combustion Man out of Movie 3 entirely would be a good thing?

I'm actually not worried about M. Night screwing up the movie because of lack of knowledge or disrespect. In his "interview" by Konietzco and DiMartino on Season 2's DVD bonus disc, when Shamylan first cam to them with his outline of the movies, their reaction was "That's too long... we may have to cut some stuff out"

I am worried, though, about him screwing it up out of sheer idiocy and lack of moviemaking talent. When was the last time he made a good movie? Sixth Sense?

Jove

04-23-2009, 09:38 PM

I wonder what else will be changed up, not out of retardation, but necessity to make the movies flow. Suki will probably play larger roles in the first and second movies. Movie 1 will probably be easy to manage, since they can skip from the beginning of the season to the end with relatively few plotholes. Season 2 will be harder- the season's long story arc with cause large plot holes of too much is left out, but only so much can be fit into a movie without causing it to feel rushed or too long. Season 3 doesn't have such a connected story, but they will need to fit the events of the Awakening, The Day of Black Sun, and Sozin's Comet all into it. I can't wait to see full movie CG airships.:nod

If I was making the films, I would divide Book 2 into half. The first film would be about finding an Earthbending teacher for Aang, and culminate with the Drill, the final shot being that beautiful reveal of the city.

The second film would be devoted entirely to Ba Sing Se. Think of how many things were taking place concurrently: Long Feng's fascist state, the strife over Appa, Iroh and Zuko's assimilation into EK culture, Jet's paranoia and eventual demise, Azula's coup de etat.

I give M. Night enough credit to realize that the second film, the adapation of Book 2, needs to be framed by the Avatar State.

Am I the only one who thinks leaving Combustion Man out of Movie 3 entirely would be a good thing?

That's an interesting point. I'll never tire of analyzing Combustion Man. Conceptually, I love his character. He represents the height of Zuko's fragility, and he should have been the persistent evil that gave the first half of Book 3 coherency.

I'm not as antipathetic towards the first half as many people are, but CM was a misfire. He never felt like a threat. I believe you could still use him as a device to get Zuko into the Gaang, by simply jumping from when Zuko hired him to The Western Air Temple.

I am worried, though, about him screwing it up out of sheer idiocy and lack of moviemaking talent. When was the last time he made a good movie? Sixth Sense?

I'm more concerned because of Lady in the Water. :bees

Kaenboshi

04-23-2009, 09:43 PM

The only one of three that I minght bother to see in the theater is the first one. If that one's crap, I'll just netflix the other two if even I bother at all.If that means forgoing some new episode of Zuko's mother then so be it. They can just release a comic book version or something. That just reminded me. Last month, the Avatar comics started up again. Right now, they're more just random comedy, but later on there's supposed to be some good stuff like more of the Order of the White Lotus, and a Kuzon flashback. Getting to those will probably take a few months, though. >_>

I am worried, though, about him screwing it up out of sheer idiocy and lack of moviemaking talent. When was the last time he made a good movie? Sixth Sense? I personally liked Unbreakable. Yeah, the script is definitely a concern.

Jove

04-23-2009, 09:50 PM

The only one of three that I minght bother to see in the theater is the first one. If that one's crap, I'll just netflix the other two if even I bother at all. That just reminded me. Last month, the Avatar comics started up again. Right now, they're more just random comedy, but later on there's supposed to be some good stuff like more of the Order of the White Lotus, and a Kuzon flashback. Getting to those will probably take a few months, though. >_>

Goddamn, am I looking forward to the Kuzon one. :X3

Nizuma Eiji

04-24-2009, 12:36 AM

Superrazien

04-26-2009, 06:56 PM

So me and my friend were talking, and we decided. We think Avatar would of benefited much more if it was owned by Disney. For some reason it seems Nick doesn't really like Avatar, I mean they only show re-runs on Nicktoons, theres like no merchandise out. Disney promotes the hell out of shit that makes them money, if Disney had it there would probably be re-runs all the time on the Disney channel, there probably would be more Avatar content being made, we would have way more merchandise, and Disney would most likely be involved in the movie and most Disney movies turn out well ( for one thing they wouldn't have got M.Night). Oh and most of all Avatar could of been in Kingdom Hearts( which if your a KH fan think of how badass that could be).

I know its pointless to think of this since Nick will probably never sell Avatar. But do any of you agree that the potential of Avatar was wasted on Nick. Had someone like Disney had it Avatar might still be going strong in some fashion.

Hiroko

04-26-2009, 07:23 PM

Disney would promote it like every other prostitot it owns, that's for sure. I'm not sure if that's a good thing, though.

Jove

04-26-2009, 07:55 PM

Well, Eric Coleman did leave Nick for Disney, so it's possible that the next big project Mike and Bryan undertake will be there.

As far as Disney being a more propitious network for Avatar, I'm not convinced. Nick treated the show fairly well until Book 3. Everything started to go awfully wrong at that point, or at the least when Nick hesitated to sign on for Book 3. Also, I'm not sure Disney would have granted as much freedom as Nick did, even the harnessed amount from Book 3.

To me, it all comes back to Coleman.

NarutoX2

04-26-2009, 09:16 PM

Now due to ending I was always wondering will there be a spin-off or a new season of avatar?

masterriku

04-27-2009, 06:41 PM

We can only pray that and that if there is a new series it won't have anything as horrifying as Zutarans.:D:

Superrazien

04-27-2009, 06:45 PM

I just realized, I am willing to bet that there will be a video game for the Avatar movie. Here comes another bad Avatar game.

masterriku

04-27-2009, 07:30 PM

Well then heres hoping its better than DBE then.

Superrazien

04-27-2009, 07:54 PM

I sure it would be, weather it be the movie or the game. I mean DBE was so bad you would literally have to try to make something worse.

Noah

04-27-2009, 07:59 PM

Avatar game with Budokai Tenkaichi or Ultimate Ninja Storm engine/team plz.

...plz?

Superrazien

04-27-2009, 08:29 PM

Avatar game with Budokai Tenkaichi or Ultimate Ninja Storm engine/team plz.

...plz?

Dude that would be sweet. But you realize if it was based off the movie we would have to play the cast that was casted by racists. Instead of the characters we grown accustomed to.

Jove

04-27-2009, 09:07 PM

Dude that would be sweet. But you realize if it was based off the movie we would have to play the cast that was casted by racists. Instead of the characters we grown accustomed to.

But maybe they can use our antipahy to their advantage. Maybe they could have a game mode where you could play as the Fire Nation. You could play as Zhao, commanding the Siege of the North. :ohpek

Also, that braindead apologist at LAFans made these intriguing posts:

Aang's costume from what I saw is true to the series. Just less orange. Aaaaaand guess what! There is something special about his aaaaarrows

The bender costume I wear is a blue robe-like velvet material with a one shoulder sash-vest thing in darker blue and it has a belt with the water nation insignia on it. Brown boots. No hat. Blue baggy pants. Wrist wraps...

And I found out the name of the guy who plays Pakku, but I don't know if I should say it... the initials are F.G.

First of all... how can Aang's Air Nomad outfit be true to the series and "less orange."

But... F.G.? :hmm

Noah

04-27-2009, 09:43 PM

First of all... how can Aang's Air Nomad outfit be true to the series and "less orange."

But... F.G.? :hmm

It's not nearly as ridiculous looking and slightly toned down?

Taking away orange from Aang wouldn't be nearly as detrimental as taking away orange from, say, Naruto.

...and ugh with the Naruto/Aang comparisons. Why can't there be other orange-clad heroes.

Jove

04-27-2009, 11:36 PM

It's not nearly as ridiculous looking and slightly toned down?

Taking away orange from Aang wouldn't be nearly as detrimental as taking away orange from, say, Naruto.

...and ugh with the Naruto/Aang comparisons.

You did it. Rape yourself.

Aang looked fine on the show. More than fine. How dare you.

Superrazien

04-27-2009, 11:56 PM

But maybe they can use our antipahy to their advantage. Maybe they could have a game mode where you could play as the Fire Nation. You could play as Zhao, commanding the Siege of the North. :ohpek

Also, that braindead apologist at LAFans made these intriguing posts:

First of all... how can Aang's Air Nomad outfit be true to the series and "less orange."

But... F.G.? :hmm

I want to know wtf is special about his arrows. They better be the same dam arrows, if they change anything about the arrows that will be really gay.

Koi

04-28-2009, 12:01 AM

F.G. = FSean GConnery. :awesome

Jove

04-28-2009, 12:07 AM

I'd pretend it's me, but I don't have any f's or g's in my name. :(

It had better not be goddamn FM.Night GSyhamalan.

Koi

04-28-2009, 12:08 AM

What if it's Fucking Samuel L. Goddamned Jackson?

Jove

04-28-2009, 12:12 AM

What if it's Fucking Samuel L. Goddamned Jackson?

He may be John Shaft, but he's no Pakku.

dame heFelen mGirren.

ReikaiDemon

04-28-2009, 02:06 AM

M.Night's latest twist, he puts the Gaang in an American highschool D:

Koi

04-28-2009, 02:22 AM

I WOULD CRY

WHILE SHOOTING HIM IN THE FACE.

also wiki has failed me, i dunno who fg could be WAIT FORREST GUMP

ReikaiDemon

04-28-2009, 02:26 AM

I WOULD CRY

WHILE SHOOTING HIM IN THE FACE.

also wiki has failed me, i dunno who fg could be WAIT FORREST GUMP
OH MY LORD, TOM HANKS

Manwë Súlimo

04-28-2009, 09:32 AM

Family Guy!

So me and my friend were talking, and we decided. We think Avatar would of benefited much more if it was owned by Disney. For some reason it seems Nick doesn't really like Avatar, I mean they only show re-runs on Nicktoons, theres like no merchandise out. Disney promotes the hell out of shit that makes them money, if Disney had it there would probably be re-runs all the time on the Disney channel, there probably would be more Avatar content being made, we would have way more merchandise, and Disney would most likely be involved in the movie and most Disney movies turn out well ( for one thing they wouldn't have got M.Night). Oh and most of all Avatar could of been in Kingdom Hearts( which if your a KH fan think of how badass that could be).

I know its pointless to think of this since Nick will probably never sell Avatar. But do any of you agree that the potential of Avatar was wasted on Nick. Had someone like Disney had it Avatar might still be going strong in some fashion.

Hm. Had it been at Disney, it might have gotten better promotion. But look at Disney's recent action-adventure series, American Dragon: Jake Long. It got very little promotion and no episode over a half hour (even the season finales). It got canceled after 2 seasons. Somehow I don't think Avatar would have fared better.

There's also censorship issues. At first, Disney executives wanted Jake Long wearing pads when he flew around in dragon form.

Well, Eric Coleman did leave Nick for Disney, so it's possible that the next big project Mike and Bryan undertake will be there.

As far as Disney being a more propitious network for Avatar, I'm not convinced. Nick treated the show fairly well until Book 3. Everything started to go awfully wrong at that point, or at the least when Nick hesitated to sign on for Book 3. Also, I'm not sure Disney would have granted as much freedom as Nick did, even the harnessed amount from Book 3.

To me, it all comes back to Coleman.

Well, if they do work with Coleman, it won't be on Avatar. Nick owns the rights, not the creators.

Jove

04-28-2009, 02:14 PM

Well, if they do work with Coleman, it won't be on Avatar. Nick owns the rights, not the creators.

That's why I said "next big project," and not Avatar.

Interesting you bring up Jake Long. Usually, that show is something a Zutarian references. :hmm

Kaenboshi

04-29-2009, 01:28 AM

Disney? Seriously? I honestly can't imagine them making the kind of investment necessary for something like Avatar in the first place.

Superrazien

04-29-2009, 01:32 AM

Disney? Seriously? I honestly can't imagine them making the kind of investment necessary for something like Avatar in the first place.

Well I'm sure the same was said for Nick.

Kaenboshi

04-29-2009, 01:55 AM

I know. I just have a really hard time seeing it.

Jove

04-29-2009, 02:05 AM

I know. I just have a really hard time seeing it.

Not to belabor the point, but you doubt the Coleman? He's the Senior Vice President of Development for Disney now, basically the same position he held at Nick when he nurtured the creation of Avatar. I'd feel comfortable with Bryke developing something for the Mouse as long as he's there.

Koi

04-29-2009, 02:12 AM

It's seems very rare to go from Viacom to ABC/Disney, though. I think like.. maybe Doug was the last show to do it? And successfully?

Kaenboshi

04-29-2009, 02:14 AM

I was thinking more in terms of "What if, five years ago, Avatar was pitched to Disney instead of Nick?" But, okay, I see what you mean.

Jove

04-29-2009, 02:17 AM

I was thinking more in terms of "What if, five years ago, Avatar was pitched to Disney instead of Nick?" But, okay, I see what you mean.

Ah. I wonder whether it would have made it to Book 3 if it were on Disney. I also have a feeling that the show would have been more akin to the pilot, and not the real deal.

Superrazien

04-29-2009, 03:36 PM

Does anyone know if they plan to do a Blue-Ray release of Avatar. Maybe have Book 1-3 on one disk.

Jove

04-29-2009, 05:35 PM

Does anyone know if they plan to do a Blue-Ray release of Avatar. Maybe have Book 1-3 on one disk.

I haven't heard anything, but I'll say this: I watched most of the episodes on my pitifully standard television. But I got to watch a couple of shows during Finale Week on an HDTV, and the difference was stunning. Aang's arrow became a different shade of blue. :lmao

Lilykt7

04-29-2009, 05:44 PM

american dragon also friggen changed animation styles half way through the series. What the heck? What decent company does that, the second style sucked.

ReikaiDemon

05-02-2009, 10:22 PM

hcheng02

05-02-2009, 11:19 PM

Say, does anybody remember the movie, 21? The movie where math geniuses foil casino blackjack?
It's a true story, but here's the thing, they were ALL asian in real life.

Isn't it kinda sad that Hollywood would rather keep Asians acting in almost entirely, martial arts movies rather than anything else?

How much do you think is said when asians can't even get in on the ground floor in the Avatar movie?

And while we're on this track, I thought it was fucking hiliarious that Steven Segal tried to make a movie about Genghis Fuckin' Khan(You know, the dude whose family might've almost took over the world, had his progeny not died of a heart attack) with Mr. Segal playing Genghis.

Considering Hollywood once made a movie with John Wayne (yes, that cowboy actor) as Genghis Khan, I can't say I'm really surprised. It is a bit depressing that Asian people can't get a decent role in this Avatar film especially considering how much martial arts its supposed to have. But then again, how many young Asian Hollywood stars are there?

ReikaiDemon

05-02-2009, 11:21 PM

Considering Hollywood once made a movie with John Wayne (yes, that cowboy actor) as Genghis Khan, I can't say I'm really surprised. It is a bit depressing that Asian people can't get a decent role in this Avatar film especially considering how much martial arts its supposed to have. But then again, how many young Asian Hollywood stars are there?
Go scout a California McDojo?

Kaenboshi

05-03-2009, 01:23 AM

Say, does anybody remember the movie, 21? The movie where math geniuses foil casino blackjack?
It's a true story, but here's the thing, they were ALL asian in real life. Yes I do. I facepalmed when I heard what they did.

Isn't it kinda sad that Hollywood would rather keep Asians acting in almost entirely, martial arts movies rather than anything else?

How much do you think is said when asians can't even get in on the ground floor in the Avatar movie?

And while we're on this track, I thought it was fucking hiliarious that Steven Segal tried to make a movie about Genghis Fuckin' Khan(You know, the dude whose family might've almost took over the world, had his progeny not died of a heart attack) with Mr. Segal playing Genghis. This isn't about the acting side, but it's just as relevant as far as Hollywood and race go. (http://www.racialicious.com/2009/04/21/fade-in-magazine-talks-racism-in-hollywood/)