Nickelodean's "Avatar: The Last Airbender" Discusion

[Taurus Versant]

Might wanna get that checked out Reikai. What'll happen if you can't see Avatar anymore?

[Noah]

10,000 posts of the AVATAR Avatar thread descend upon you. :high


....bastardo! I've been had! :sob

[Taurus Versant]

I wasn't actively expecting to hit 10k, so there we go. This marks a good day. And hey, let's hear it for Wang Fire, who made all this possible :LOS

Who ever gets the 1000th page will have ultimate power though. :high

[Koi]

HOLY SHIT GUYS. ZHAO IS SWIMMING. RIGHT NOW.


AND HE IS A GIRL.


Follow-up: S/he got 6th place. :(

[ReikaiDemon]

Might wanna get that checked out Reikai. What'll happen if you can't see Avatar anymore?
I did :facepalm the doctor said I have a very good chance of going blind :facepalm

[Noah]

HOLY SHIT GUYS. ZHAO IS SWIMMING. RIGHT NOW.


AND HE IS A GIRL.


Follow-up: S/he got 6th place. :(

Well it's not like he ever won anything anyway. :zaru

[Koi]

:pek True.. heh. The Water Spirit was not kind to him, again.

[Bolt Crank]

Quoting a large series of images to make a one-line response...

*shakes head*

[Taurus Versant]

^^???


*doesn't get it*

[Bolt Crank]

^^???


*doesn't get it*

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=18065377&postcount=9974

[Taurus Versant]

Well it IS spoilered.

[The Killstrike]

will their be a book 4?????

[Taurus Versant]

Nope. No Book 4. The Last Airbender is over.

Someone get Dimez to put NO BOOK 4 in big letters in the OP.

[Jove]

Nope. No Book 4. The Last Airbender is over.

Someone get Dimez to put NO BOOK 4 in big letters in the OP.

"Hei gaiz, when do new episodes air?"

"Wssup, has 315 aired yet?"

"What's up people? I know the very last post asked if 315 aired yet... so has it aired since then?"

"ZOMG, where do I download eppies????"


This thread has been a series of "Get Dimez to put _______ in Caps in the OP!!:mad:mad:mad"

[Taurus Versant]

It's funny because someone on this page is going to ask how long till the final. :facepalm

[masterriku]

It's funny because someone on this page is going to ask how long till the final. :facepalm

How long till the finale.


























in Latin america:LOS

[Linkdarkside]

I did :facepalm the doctor said I have a very good chance of going blind :facepalmwell today i noticed that my hair brush had hairs after i use it ....i hope that make you feel better:D:

[Taurus Versant]

How long till the finale.


























in Latin america:LOS
It was either someone did it, or I'd have to do it myself. :zaru

[Nizuma Eiji]

I did :facepalm the doctor said I have a very good chance of going blind :facepalm

FUCK that sucks. :cry

[Samurai G]

finally found this thread
I saw the movie, it kicks ass
Ozai flying ftw
Ozula going nuts pricless
wish katara had did more blood bending
oh shit aang bend all 4 elements at the same time
Toph is badass with metal/sand bending
will saka ever get his comet sword back
wtf saka gets all the girls
lol katara did all the tounge work

[Jove]

2nd page, guys? :facepalm

Alright then, flash topic:

Mysterious Inclusions in Avatar

This is for things in the plot that seemed like they could be important, but were either unexplained or inconsequential. They are not simply unanswered questions. This is pretty difficult, since Avatar, like all great serials, is very efficient with their scripts. If something is mentioned or shown, it almost always has greater significance.


Honorable Mentions

The Dragon's Egg: Zuko mentions that it feels alive, but this is as far as they went with it.
Sokka's Sword Training: It is never is elaborated upon beyond Sokka's Master.
Aang's dream in Nightmares and Daydreams: Although the visions and dreams of characters always had some sort of foreshadowing, this one appears to be simply a random series of phantasmagorical images.
Toph's crush on Sokka: Hinted at a few times, nothing more. Simply for comic relief, or a way to show some depth in Toph without actually giving her any additional screentime?
Maiko's introduction: This one is more a mystery in it's presentation. Obviously, The Awakening had a lot of material to cover in 24 minutes. But Zuko and Mai's relationship was explained only one place: the all-Avatar magazine. But the majority of Avatar fans never saw such a thing. A lot of people were utterly baffled by the kiss. Theoretically, most Avatar fans are not hardcore, even though Nick tried their best to whittle down the fanbase to just us.

3. Combustion Man

Book 1 had the charismatic Admiral Zhao. Book 2 had the calculating Azula. Book 3 had the... scantly noticeable Combustion Man. In the first two books, those were antagonists that were a constant threat, always there waiting to turn an episode upside-down. Combustion Man never really hit. I guess he served some purpose but helping Zuko join the Gaang...

The problem was the structure of Book 3. The first half was building towards the Invasion, and introducing the Gaang to Fire Nation culture. I don't know if there was even a need for CM, the persistent antagonist. There's no other places to fit him in.

2. Ursa in the Finale

This one's not so much about her fate being unrevealed, but the mention of her in the finale. If you're not going to show her, and what happened to her in the preceding 5 years, then why mention her at all? Especially considering that the director of the episode storyboarded the scene, and it was actively nixed. It comes off as superfluous.

The only explanation I have is that, barring additional mini-episodes or vignettes, this was simply to show the audience that Zuko has not given up on finding her, and that he will eventually do so.

1. Iroh's journey into the Spirit World/Lu Ten

I've combined these two, since they are possibly related. To me, this is the most intriguing lingering question of the show. And somewhat baffling... Iroh went into the Spirit World. First of all: HOW? But more than that, what happened there?

Like most things in Avatar, you can piece together the skeletal structure of these things from the artistically sparse material: Iroh was a well-meaning man, but a brutal, feared, and brilliant General. The death of his son, leading to his military disgrace, changed him, and the good side of him took over completely.

[ReikaiDemon]

2nd page, guys? :facepalm

Alright then, flash topic:

Mysterious Inclusions in Avatar

This is for things in the plot that seemed like they could be important, but were either unexplained or inconsequential. They are not simply unanswered questions. This is pretty difficult, since Avatar, like all great serials, is very efficient with their scripts. If something is mentioned or shown, it almost always has greater significance.


Honorable Mentions

The Dragon's Egg: Zuko mentions that it feels alive, but this is as far as they went with it.
Sokka's Sword Training: It is never is elaborated upon beyond Sokka's Master.
Aang's dream in Nightmares and Daydreams: Although the visions and dreams of characters always had some sort of foreshadowing, this one appears to be simply a random series of phantasmagorical images.
Toph's crush on Sokka: Hinted at a few times, nothing more. Simply for comic relief, or a way to show some depth in Toph without actually giving her any additional screentime?
Maiko's introduction: This one is more a mystery in it's presentation. Obviously, The Awakening had a lot of material to cover in 24 minutes. But Zuko and Mai's relationship was explained only one place: the all-Avatar magazine. But the majority of Avatar fans never saw such a thing. A lot of people were utterly baffled by the kiss. Theoretically, most Avatar fans are not hardcore, even though Nick tried their best to whittle down the fanbase to just us.

3. Combustion Man

Book 1 had the charismatic Admiral Zhao. Book 2 had the calculating Azula. Book 3 had the... scantly noticeable Combustion Man. In the first two books, those were antagonists that were a constant threat, always there waiting to turn an episode upside-down. Combustion Man never really hit. I guess he served some purpose but helping Zuko join the Gaang...

The problem was the structure of Book 3. The first half was building towards the Invasion, and introducing the Gaang to Fire Nation culture. I don't know if there was even a need for CM, the persistent antagonist. There's no other places to fit him in.

2. Ursa in the Finale

This one's not so much about her fate being unrevealed, but the mention of her in the finale. If you're not going to show her, and what happened to her in the preceding 5 years, then why mention her at all? Especially considering that the director of the episode storyboarded the scene, and it was actively nixed. It comes off as superfluous.

The only explanation I have is that, barring additional mini-episodes or vignettes, this was simply to show the audience that Zuko has not given up on finding her, and that he will eventually do so.

1. Iroh's journey into the Spirit World/Lu Ten

I've combined these two, since they are possibly related. To me, this is the most intriguing lingering question of the show. And somewhat baffling... Iroh went into the Spirit World. First of all: HOW? But more than that, what happened there?

Like most things in Avatar, you can piece together the skeletal structure of these things from the artistically sparse material: Iroh was a well-meaning man, but a brutal, feared, and brilliant General. The death of his son, leading to his military disgrace, changed him, and the good side of him took over completely.
Combustion Man is Ancient China Land Terminator :zaru

As for Iroh, I wouldn't say his good side took over, he's only killing non-firenation people for the love of his country :zaru However, I'd say Lu Ten's death made him see how wrong his country is on it's stance on imperialism. You know, I think it may be possible that Iroh successfully commited suicide out of grief for Lu Ten, met Roku in the spirit world, and was granted life again after Roku enlightened him from his dissillusionment.

[Jove]

Ugh, that was such an oversimplification on my part. "Good side took over." I'm better than that :facepalm

That's an interesting idea... it could possibly explain why Azulon was so curt with Ozai, and why he was so severe after Ozai made a claim for primogeniture.

[ReikaiDemon]

Ugh, that was such an oversimplification on my part. "Good side took over." I'm better than that :facepalm

That's an interesting idea... it could possibly explain why Azulon was so curt with Ozai, and why he was so severe after Ozai made a claim for primogeniture.
Oh noes, Jove slipped up, and lost the Avatar state :LOS :zaru :LOS

[Taurus Versant]

Quick! Poke him in the back with a pointy rock!:omg

[ReikaiDemon]

Quick! Poke him in the back with a pointy rock!:omg
A totally phallic rock of manliness :LOS

[Taurus Versant]

Resembling a drill. :LOS

[ReikaiDemon]

Resembling a drill. :LOS
It must be so phallic and hard, and big, that you can sue it :LOS

[Jove]

Too many long, long, long, long, long nights watching the Olympics. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/joviansatellite/CookieMonsterMedalCeremony.png

[Mider T]

That and the Phelpman.

[ReikaiDemon]

You know what'd be AVATAR?!(Tries to revive use of AVATAR)
Bending Olympics :LOS

[Jove]

Results:


Earth:

Rockslide

Gold: Toph Bei Fong
Silver: Haru IN AN UPSET
Bronze: King Bumi

Targets

Gold: King Bumi
Silver: Aang
Bronze: Tyro

Team Medley

Gold: Dai Li
Silver: Team Avatar (Aang, Toph Bei Fong, Long Feng, Xin Fu)
Bronze: Terra Team

Earthball

Gold: Fire Nation Capital City (Captains: Aang, The Boulder)
Silver: Ba Sing Se
Bronze: Gaoling

Earth Rumble (International Rules)

Gold: Toph Bei Fong (By Points)
Silver: King Bumi
Bronze: Big Bad Hippo
Bronze: General Fong
Disqualified: The Blind Bandit

[Taurus Versant]

We need more airbenders for the Airbending Division. That would contain some AVATAR competitions.

Waterbending is too easy.

Firebending Olympics? Oh yeah. :iria

[ReikaiDemon]

We need more airbenders for the Airbending Division. That would contain some AVATAR competitions.

Waterbending is too easy.

Firebending Olympics? Oh yeah. :iria
I think of Wushu when I hear Firebending Olympics :iria

[Jove]

Before we head back to the games, someone has put uo one of the famed chibi bobbleheads:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120295473315&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=002

http://i3.ebayimg.com/05/i/001/05/b8/61d1_1.JPG

$81.95 with 8 days, 7 hours left... ugh. I have to seriously evaluate how much I'm willing to spend on this. I thought something like this would be the final bid...

[Taurus Versant]

She looks like a monkey.

Seriously.

[Hellion]

I get season 2 vol. 1 and 2. today :wtf

[Superstarseven]

I get season 2 vol. 1 and 2. today :wtf
You should have saved for the season set. Now you have to get Vol. 3 & 4.

This picture of Azula during the final episode is just heartbreaking.
http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep61/ep61-727.png

[Hellion]

I have netflix so that isn't really a problem

[Ciupy]

You should have saved for the season set. Now you have to get Vol. 3 & 4.

This picture of Azula during the final episode is just heartbreaking.
http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep61/ep61-727.png

Am I a bad person if I find this picture really,really funny?:sag

[ReikaiDemon]

Am I a bad person if I find this picture really,really funny?:sag
If you're bad, then I'm a downright Terrorist, because I find it fucking hilarious :sag :zaru :LOS

[stab-o-tron5000]

I wonder, do you think Azula knew Ursa was alive, or did Ozai keep her in the dark too?

[ReikaiDemon]

I wonder, do you think Azula knew Ursa was alive, or did Ozai keep her in the dark too?
That's tough to say...Azula probably knew already, since she knew at least one of her family members would disappear during her childhood. I'd probably say that Ursa's exile threw her for a loop, and she knew she was exiled, since the recent going ons of Iroh's disgrace, she just pieced Ursa's absence along with Ozai's push for the throne.

[Nizuma Eiji]

I have netflix so that isn't really a problem

:nod The win is strong with this one.

[blackssk]

Rlpm-H7hOLA

[Sci-Fi]

I wonder, do you think Azula knew Ursa was alive, or did Ozai keep her in the dark too?

The way Azula was talking to Ursa's image in the mirror, it hints that she knew Ursa was alive. Azula probably knew because of the way she likes to sneak around and eavesdrop on Ozai's conversations.

[stab-o-tron5000]

The way Azula was talking to Ursa's image in the mirror, it hints that she knew Ursa was alive. Azula probably knew because of the way she likes to sneak around and eavesdrop on Ozai's conversations.

I was thinking that too at first, but given her state of mind at the time, it's somewhat iconclusive.


Also, about the upcoming movie, in order to get Avatars story cut down into three movies, what are the plot points, story lines and characters that are an absolute must to make the story work?

On the inverse side, who and what story elements can/should be cut for the sake of condensing the story?

As far as characters go, three that come to mind that shouldn't make it into the movie are:
Jet
Combustion Man
The Guru

Jet
Yes, I know people would like to see him in there, but is he really that important to the overall storyline? He's only in a few episodes and there really isn't anything he adds that taking him out of the script is going to diminish. Obviously removing Jet means removing his whole crew. Once again, in order to get the main storyline squeezed into three 2-3 hour movies, including Jet and company would serve little more than fanservice, taking much needed time and development from the main story arc.

Combustion Man
Cool character and all, but did he really do much of anything? Other than a few cool fight scenes, this guy was pretty much fodder to help with Zuko's redemption. Interesting idea for a character that was left far too underdeveloped. The third movie already has waaay to much to deal with as is, adding characters that didn't add much in the first place (as far as story development goes) doesn't seem like such a good idea.

The Guru
While the Guru does serve an important purpose to the plot, cutting him is once again a matter of time constraints. There's no reason that Aang can't learn about using the avatar state from Roku or another past life. It would simply make it quicker and a more streamlined storyline than having to bring in an all new character.
I also have a personal reason for cutting this part. Given M. Night's penchant for cameos, and the fact that the Guru character is Indian (or the Avatar universe equivalent), I have a feeling that this is where Night might try sneaking into the film (in makeup at least).

While on the subject of M. Night's potential (and probable) cameo. I have a suggestion, a cameo that I would actualy have no problem with at all. If M. Night really wants a cameo in the movie, he can be the Cabbage merchant. That's it. That's the only thing I'll allow, no one else.

[Nøøps]

im glad i could help in the 500-ness

[Jove]

im glad i could help in the 500-ness

It is noted and appreciated.


Now, as for the movies, I'll bite. Episode-by-episode analysis:

The Boy in the Iceberg: Obviously, most of this will be maintained.
The Avatar Returns: Likewise
The Southern Air Temple: Included, but in abbreviated form. The Agni Kai might be shifted to a later part of the movie, but obviously it can't be extracted considering the final battle
The Warriors of Kyoshi: This one is the first dilemma of the initial film: how to introduce characters that will play important roles in the next two movies. Suki, by the end of the show, has essentially joined the Gaang, and is Sokka's love interest. She has to be included. This will most likely be included, but abridged.
The King of Omashu: Again, at this point, Bumi is just an eccentric old man. Because the Order of the White Lotus free Ba Sing Se, he must be included somehow.
Imprisoned: Although an under appreciated episode, this one can be nixed.
The Spirit World (Winter Solstice, Part 1): Parts of this can be used, to introduce the Spirit World
Avatar Roku (Winter Solstice, Part 2: Largely kept intact, as an early plot point
The Waterbending Scroll: Since Imprisoned was nixed, Zuko does not have Katara's necklace. This one can go.
Jet This one's a serious problem. Jet plays a major role in Ba Sing Se, but no main character depends upon him. However, Jet is the kind of role a director/writer like M. Night adores, because he's the ultimate victim of Long Feng''s politicking and control. The Ba Sing Se portion isn't as impactful without him. And M.Night needs something to focus on Katara, with Imprisoned nixed.
The Great Divide: Well, OBVIOUSLY THE MOVIE REVOLVES AROUND THIS .
The Storm: Largely intact, as the stabilizing arc between Avatar Roku and the Water Tribe Trilogy.
The Blue Spirit: Largely intact, combined with The Storm.
The Fortuneteller: Nixed
Bato of the Water Tribe: I hate to say it, but most likely this one is nixed.
The Deserter: Abbreviated version of Jeong Jeong's training included.
The Northern Air Temple: Tough one. The Mechanist and Teo retrun in the Invasion, but this isn't the kind of thing that would be included, since it's contains such a massive action sequence so close to the ending. Probably nixed.
The Waterbending Master Katara's troubles with Pakku remain.
Siege of the North, Part 1Condensed, but pretty much totally contained.
Siege of the North, Part 2: Koh might be on the bubble, but obviously this one's mostly included.

Basically, the major point points, with one side adventure in between. I guess the rough structure would be:

00:00 - 25:00 - The Boy in the Iceberg to The Southern Air Temple --->
25:00 - 35:00 - The Warriors of Kyoshi/King of Omashu bridge --->
35:00 - 50:00 - The Spirit World (Winter Solstice, Part 1) and Avatar Roku (Winter Solstice Part 2 --->
50:00 - 1:00 - Jet --->
1:00 - 1:20 - The Storm and The Blue Spirit --->
1:20 - 1:30 - The Deserter --->
1:30 - 2:00 - Seige of the North trilogy.

[Narcissus]

Am I a bad person if I find this picture really,really funny?:sag

I too found that pic to be quite funny, despite how much I like the character. :nuts
The scene itself wasn't quite so humorous, though.

That said, I hated the way she was defeated. Complete nonsense and bull if you ask me.

[Superstarseven]

That said, I hated the way Azula was defeated. Complete nonsense and bull if you ask me.

Why is it you think that way?

On the subject of the upcoming film, I read someone's reactions to the sides that are given to the auditioning actors to recite. She complained about the "inaccuracies". I believe that many fans are still confused on this movie not being a word-for-word scene-for-scene adaptation of the show. Not really sure how a 2 hour movie is going to fit in 460 minutes worth of material. Obviously stuff will have to be cut down and/or rearranged. It's something I accepted when the announcement came over the wire that there was to be a live-action film based on the show.

[masterriku]

The Great Divide: Well, OBVIOUSLY THE MOVIE REVOLVES AROUND THIS .


I think Ember Island Players solidifies that fact :quite

[ReikaiDemon]

I think Ember Island Players solidifies that fact :quite
It would probably be easier to use the ember island episode as a very VERY basic outline for paring down the series into three movies.

[Narcissus]

Why is it you think that way?

Mainly because she couldn't break free from Katara's water/ice prison during the commet, and Zuko was able to do it after the sun came up. Also, with the power of the commet, she was held down...by a chain??? Plus, they didn't show what happened to her.

I'm not so much COMPLAINING, per se, because the ending was, for the most part, well-done. I'm also sure they didn't have enough time to wrap up EVERYTHING. It was just the way Azula was handled that I disliked. :(

[kakoishii]

The Storm: Largely intact, as the stabilizing arc between Avatar Roku and the Water Tribe Trilogy.
The Blue Spirit: Largely intact, combined with The Storm.


I can see why you'd say "the storm" should be included due to the explanation/flashback of how/why/when Aang learned about being the avatar and ran away from the air temple, but that's the only part of that episode that should be included everything else can be nixed. I'm confused as to why you believe "the blue spirit" should be kept though. The blue spirit as a character plays no substantial role and is only brought back in a future episode once only to have the persona completely abandoned. So are the contents of that episode really necessary, couldn't that be nixed too?



The Guru
While the Guru does serve an important purpose to the plot, cutting him is once again a matter of time constraints. There's no reason that Aang can't learn about using the avatar state from Roku or another past life. It would simply make it quicker and a more streamlined storyline than having to bring in an all new character.
I also have a personal reason for cutting this part. Given M. Night's penchant for cameos, and the fact that the Guru character is Indian (or the Avatar universe equivalent), I have a feeling that this is where Night might try sneaking into the film (in makeup at least).

I can see your qualms with this one, but I really do think its necessary that it's the guru that helps Aang unlock his chakaras and not Roku or someone else. If they substituted in someone like Roku it would create a plot hole as to why Roku waited so long to introduce the chakara gate unlocking despite the fact he had already come to talk Aang many times before without even mentioning it. Plus imo making it so that it was the guru who helped aang rather than just anybody, emphasized how chakara unlocking was an atypical skill out of the norm.

Of course I'd be scared if Shamalan included the guru and placed himself in the role like he's accustomed to, but hoping beyond hope that Shamalan takes his directing role a little more seriously for Avatar and not do that at all. I really do not want to see Shamalan in any role in this movie, not even as the cabage guy. If he's a big fan as he says he is then I can only hope he won't use this movie as another film to pimp himself out like some gary stu.

[stab-o-tron5000]

Mainly because she couldn't break free from Katara's water/ice prison during the commet, and Zuko was able to do it after the sun came up. Also, with the power of the commet, she was held down...by a chain??? Plus, they didn't show what happened to her.

I'm not so much COMPLAINING, per se, because the ending was, for the most part, well-done. I'm also sure they didn't have enough time to wrap up EVERYTHING. It was just the way Azula was handled that I disliked. :(

When Zuko was trapped, only about half his body was encased. So he could still move a bit to Firebend. Azula was completely encased and unable to even inhale or exhale, meaning she really couldn't do any sort of firebending.

As far as the chain, the comet didn't make them physically stronger so she wouldn't have been able to break it. And even with the comet, I don't think she could produce fire hot enough to melt iron. Not to mention that, even if she could, the chain was wrapped pretty tightly around her hands and closely attached to the grate, she'd burn herself trying.

[Jove]

I can see why you'd say "the storm" should be included due to the explanation/flashback of how/why/when Aang learned about being the avatar and ran away from the air temple, but that's the only part of that episode that should be included everything else can be nixed. I'm confused as to why you believe "the blue spirit" should be kept though. The blue spirit as a character plays no substantial role and is only brought back in a future episode once only to have the persona completely abandoned. So are the contents of that episode really necessary, couldn't that be nixed too?

Yes, the contents of that episode are extremely necessary. This is the first episode that hints a the eventual friendship between Zuko and Aang. And regardkless of his intentions, Zuko saves Aang. It's one of the most important sequences in their relationship, the relationship that drives the beginning and the ending of the show.

What's important is not the Blue Spirit, but Zuko as the Blue Spirit. It shows a different perspective on his character. M. Night says that Zuko is his favorite character, so I assume that Zuko will be given the same importance as he was in the show. That's crucial; a director with no loyalties or devotion to the show would probably overemphasize Aang.

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

Fire Lord Ozai is an asshole.

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/8948/looseendbyalexds1du2.jpg

But then, we already knew that.

[Mider T]

I hope Ozai accidently steps on his beard when he walks.

[kakoishii]

Fire Lord Ozai is an asshole.

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/8948/looseendbyalexds1du2.jpg

But then, we already knew that.

:rotfl that was great I especially liked the "where is mommy" written on the map.
Yes, the contents of that episode are extremely necessary. This is the first episode that hints a the eventual friendship between Zuko and Aang. And regardkless of his intentions, Zuko saves Aang. It's one of the most important sequences in their relationship, the relationship that drives the beginning and the ending of the show.

What's important is not the Blue Spirit, but Zuko as the Blue Spirit. It shows a different perspective on his character. M. Night says that Zuko is his favorite character, so I assume that Zuko will be given the same importance as he was in the show. That's crucial; a director with no loyalties or devotion to the show would probably overemphasize Aang.
I get that, but imo the crucial moment that added to Aang and Zuko's friendship was the moment when Aang mentioned to Zuko that they might have been friends had they met 100 years earlier, or was that part of blue spirit events? I completely forget, jog my memory maybe?

[ReikaiDemon]

Fire Lord Ozai is an asshole.

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/8948/looseendbyalexds1du2.jpg

But then, we already knew that.
That's it, you killed me XD
Sit tight, the CSI will be here soon, and find your murder weapon of deadly humorness XDDD

[stab-o-tron5000]

:rotfl that was great I especially liked the "where is mommy" written on the map.

I get that, but imo the crucial moment that added to Aang and Zuko's friendship was the moment when Aang mentioned to Zuko that they might have been friends had they met 100 years earlier, or was that part of blue spirit events? I completely forget, jog my memory maybe?

Yep, that happened right at the end of the blue spirit episode.

[ReikaiDemon]

Has anyone answered that question yet? <.<
Someone asked if Zuko ever used Aang's name. It seemed like Zuko never said Aang's name.

[Beowulf]

That comic strip was hilarious. Nice find, if you made it yourself, amazing job ;)

And yes, that was right at the end of the Blue Spirit episode.

[Mider T]

Has anyone answered that question yet? <.<
Someone asked if Zuko ever used Aang's name. It seemed like Zuko never said Aang's name.

He started using it during the final four episodes.

[Nøøps]

correctness:)

[stab-o-tron5000]

This has probably been discussed somewhere in the last 500 pages or so (so forgive me for not looking for it) but was Ursa a firebender?

I think she'd almost have to be. With Ozai's lust fo power, I just don't see him marrying an ''ordinary'' girl (or for love, I doubt he's capable of it anyway). Plus she is Roku's granddaughter (or was it great granddaughter?).

Personally, I think she was.

[Mider T]

I always thought it was an arranged marriage...you know to keep the powerful blood in the family.

[ReikaiDemon]

This has probably been discussed somewhere in the last 500 pages or so (so forgive me for not looking for it) but was Ursa a firebender?

I think she'd almost have to be. With Ozai's lust fo power, I just don't see him marrying an ''ordinary'' girl (or for love, I doubt he's capable of it anyway). Plus she is Roku's granddaughter (or was it great granddaughter?).

Personally, I think she was.
Probably not, have you seen that much female firebenders?

[stab-o-tron5000]

The Guru[/b]
While the Guru does serve an important purpose to the plot, cutting him is once again a matter of time constraints. There's no reason that Aang can't learn about using the avatar state from Roku or another past life. It would simply make it quicker and a more streamlined storyline than having to bring in an all new character.
I also have a personal reason for cutting this part. Given M. Night's penchant for cameos, and the fact that the Guru character is Indian (or the Avatar universe equivalent), I have a feeling that this is where Night might try sneaking into the film (in makeup at least).
I can see why you'd say "the storm" should be included due to the explanation/flashback of how/why/when Aang learned about being the avatar and ran away from the air temple, but that's the only part of that episode that should be included everything else can be nixed. I'm confused as to why you believe "the blue spirit" should be kept though. The blue spirit as a character plays no substantial role and is only brought back in a future episode once only to have the persona completely abandoned. So are the contents of that episode really necessary, couldn't that be nixed too?

I can see your qualms with this one, but I really do think its necessary that it's the guru that helps Aang unlock his chakaras and not Roku or someone else. If they substituted in someone like Roku it would create a plot hole as to why Roku waited so long to introduce the chakara gate unlocking despite the fact he had already come to talk Aang many times before without even mentioning it. Plus imo making it so that it was the guru who helped aang rather than just anybody, emphasized how chakara unlocking was an atypical skill out of the norm.

Of course I'd be scared if Shamalan included the guru and placed himself in the role like he's accustomed to, but hoping beyond hope that Shamalan takes his directing role a little more seriously for Avatar and not do that at all. I really do not want to see Shamalan in any role in this movie, not even as the cabage guy. If he's a big fan as he says he is then I can only hope he won't use this movie as another film to pimp himself out like some gary stu.

That makes sense. Actually if they did have Roku (or another avatar) teach him about his chakras, then that would open up a pretty big plot hole. If roku can do that, why wouldn't Aang just have his past lives teach him Water, Earth and Fire bending?

So yeah, I guess the Guru stays

Probably not, have you seen that much female firebenders?

The only Firebenders (other then the main characters) we ever see are military, which (in pretty much all cultures throughout history) is always primarily male anyway. After all, one of the strongest firebenders in the world (Azula) is female. I have a feeling Bending in general is probably 50/50 split between the sexes. Not that I have any evidence for that (after all Toph is the only female Earthbender we've ever seen).

[LIL_M0]

*watching the series finale again. :LOS

[kakoishii]

Not that I have any evidence for that (after all Toph is the only female Earthbender we've ever seen).

I see you've forgotten avatar kyoshi then :wink

[ReikaiDemon]

That makes sense. Actually if they did have Roku (or another avatar) teach him about his chakras, then that would open up a pretty big plot hole. If roku can do that, why wouldn't Aang just have his past lives teach him Water, Earth and Fire bending?

So yeah, I guess the Guru stays



The only Firebenders (other then the main characters) we ever see are military, which (in pretty much all cultures throughout history) is always primarily male anyway. After all, one of the strongest firebenders in the world (Azula) is female. I have a feeling Bending in general is probably 50/50 split between the sexes. Not that I have any evidence for that (after all Toph is the only female Earthbender we've ever seen).
Well, traditionally, women in ancient China rarely knew Kung Fu, plus women were thought to have much higher duties than men by tending to family, and bearing children. This shows in the written language of Chinese, the character hao, which means good, are written with the character for woman, and the character for child. Which means a women caring for children are the ultimate goodness. The character An, is written as a roof over Nu, the character for woman, to mean the word peaceful, a woman in her house, protected from the world, inside, creating peace and happiness for the family.
So, most likely, women aren't taught firebending, since firebending wouldn't have a use at home, and without women at home, they can't bear the next generation of soldiers. There are exceptions, Ozai taught his children extensively in firebending, Azula was gifted, Ozai was a megalomaniac, he favored her over Zuko.Mai and Ty Lee know non-firebending kung fu, perhaps they were part of martial arts clans, or were "adopted" into the Ozai household for their skills, or relation to possible clans. Ursa was probably a royal, or a noblewoman from an affluent family, so, an arranged marraige isn't out of the question. Or, it could be as simple as genuine love in the times of their youth.

[Hellion]

The boulder is my new hero :pek

Zuko Alone is up there in my top ten cartoon episodes of all time.

I have 5 more issues of the earth book, and then it is time of the final book :plot

I can honestly say that when I get the money I am going to buy this series for my personal collection

[Taurus Versant]

Trust us, it only gets better. :high

[Hellion]

I know :wtf I am just in love with this show. My hatred for the fire nation is indescribable :mad

[Jove]

Well, traditionally, women in ancient China rarely knew Kung Fu, plus women were thought to have much higher duties than men by tending to family, and bearing children. This shows in the written language of Chinese, the character hao, which means good, are written with the character for woman, and the character for child. Which means a women caring for children are the ultimate goodness. The character An, is written as a roof over Nu, the character for woman, to mean the word peaceful, a woman in her house, protected from the world, inside, creating peace and happiness for the family.
So, most likely, women aren't taught firebending, since firebending wouldn't have a use at home, and without women at home, they can't bear the next generation of soldiers. There are exceptions, Ozai taught his children extensively in firebending, Azula was gifted, Ozai was a megalomaniac, he favored her over Zuko.Mai and Ty Lee know non-firebending kung fu, perhaps they were part of martial arts clans, or were "adopted" into the Ozai household for their skills, or relation to possible clans. Ursa was probably a royal, or a noblewoman from an affluent family, so, an arranged marraige isn't out of the question. Or, it could be as simple as genuine love in the times of their youth.

I would add to that the elemental interplay of the Avatar world. It's been stated that Water and Fire are opposites, and likewise for Air and Earth. We know that waterbending and airbending appears to distribute equally amogst the sexes. So it's possible that Earth and Fire would slant towards males in response. Actually, you could argue that Water and Air contain more female benders than males, so the elemental balance would be maintained.

It seems though, like the Fire Nation is a bizarre place. It's almost like they simply recruit anyone that's capable.

As for Ursa, this is where some of the peculiarities of the Fire Nation royal/noble society reveal themselves. Azulon's Issue is particularly confusing. You have to remember that Ozai was the second son of Azulon. Rei could tell us about the Chinese history, but in medieval European culture, ruled under primogeniture, the second son generally was left without much to do. A common option was military endeavors, usually becoming a knight, often a miles Christi, the Christian soldier. These men were the basis for the feudal system, but generally they were gentlemen with unlucky births trying to find something substantial to offer.

But Ozai rarely left the Royal Palace, according the Mike and Bryan in the ASN interview. It was Iroh who was the Field General. Ozai was pretty much useless. That probably why Ursa, who the descendant of Avatar Roku was somehow able to marry into the royal family; at the time they married, her genetic influence was supposed to have no effect on the Royal family.

She's the only person that had the guts to kill the Fire Lord in Avatar. It would be pretty cool if she did it with fire.

[ReikaiDemon]

I know :wtf I am just in love with this show. My hatred for the fire nation is indescribable :madAww, the Fire Nation is just misunderstood :nod
I liked those zeppelin lackeys expecting a birthday party, reminded me of work/job comedies, and red v. blue :laugh

I would add to that the elemental interplay of the Avatar world. It's been stated that Water and Fire are opposites, and likewise for Air and Earth. We know that waterbending and airbending appears to distribute equally amogst the sexes. So it's possible that Earth and Fire would slant towards males in response. Actually, you could argue that Water and Air contain more female benders than males, so the elemental balance would be maintained.

It seems though, like the Fire Nation is a bizarre place. It's almost like they simply recruit anyone that's capable.

As for Ursa, this is where some of the peculiarities of the Fire Nation royal/noble society reveal themselves. Azulon's Issue is particularly confusing. You have to remember that Ozai was the second son of Azulon. Rei could tell us about the Chinese history, but in medieval European culture, ruled under primogeniture, the second son generally was left without much to do. A common option was military endeavors, usually becoming a knight, often a miles Christi, the Christian soldier. These men were the basis for the feudal system, but generally they were gentlemen with unlucky births trying to find something substantial to offer.

But Ozai rarely left the Royal Palace, according the Mike and Bryan in the ASN interview. It was Iroh who was the Field General. Ozai was pretty much useless. That probably why Ursa, who the descendant of Avatar Roku was somehow able to marry into the royal family; at the time they married, her genetic influence was supposed to have no effect on the Royal family.

She's the only person that had the guts to kill the Fire Lord in Avatar. It would be pretty cool if she did it with fire.
The balance can be accurately described as the taiji, the yin and yang to you yankee folks out there. I think this is actually my first time seeing a western source of entertainment accurately portray the taiji. Earth and Fire have mainly hard external styles of kung fu, while Air and Water have soft internal styles. Pretty much, they're analogous to each other, yet they have their own degrees of seperation. In fact, the prevalence of female benders in Air and Water accurately portrays Yin, the dark, cold, and soft, calm and gentle as well. Waterbenders, with their chi affinity to yin is perhaps one of the reasons why they're much stronger at night time, and under the moon, which could be their yang, serves to balance them completely, giving them their full strength at night. Yin also represents the water, or anything soft and fluid, like air, yet, both can be very destructive, demonstrating the "yang of the yin".
Fire and Earth, very eloquently are described in yang, the white part, represents hot, fire, light, hard, and dry.
There are four rules to the yin and yang,
Both are opposing, but never completely opposite.
Both are mutually rooted, which actually means they form a whole, there is actually no conjunction "and" between yin and yang when you describe it, that's something english has added.
Both mutually transform, as in, when days in summer are longer, days will soon transform to shorter days in winter. Remember Zuko and Katara's battle, where she was pretty much whipping him, until the sun rose.However, don't confuse this as the wax and wane of the taiji, transformation of taiji is the transition between yin and yang.
Both wax and wane, it's a dynamic equivalence, when one decreases, the other increases, in strength or otherwise. This happens within the transformation of taiji, which is why the last two rules can be confusing. Imagine the day as a whole, an equal unit, the length of a day never changes, but the light of day, and the dark of night vary. This last rule describes the eclipse, and sozin's comet well. This could also represent the air nomad genocide, where after the air tribes were wiped out, the fire nation becomes incomprably powerful.
However, above all these rules, such prevalance of either one cannot be constant, and so, they naturally return to full balance, like when day and night finally become equal hours within the year, so does the world when Zuko was crowned.
I think they have some share of lateral succesion, that is when the dynasts are chosen for their maturity and proficiency. Ozai definately wasn't fit to serve, but neither was Iroh after Lu Ten's death. This created a conflict, in which Ozai wanted to capitalize on. After that, Ozai just took on the other way of succession, by mandate of heaven, he probably killed Azulon, giving him the right to rule. This is why it was important for Aang to kill the firelord, not only because he was the only one capable to do it, but to show the world that he has no mandate from heaven. The Chinese characters above the title reads as an avatar descending upon the mortal world. Gods take on avatars only to restore balance of the world, after evil runs rampart in the world according to Hinduism. The Chinese characters above the title means someone from heaven descends upon the world, essentially, it means to the world that Ozai has no right to rule, and anyone who succeeds in power from killing him(anyone mortal, such as Iroh and Zuko) has no right to rule. So Aang has to defeat Ozai, then let the world know that Zuko was meant to rule, and to prevent the senseless cycle of succession through killing.
As for Ursa, She might not have known her linage, or perhaps she did...Maybe she was a member of the White Lotus? :LOS Either way, she passed on Roku's massive chi :iria
EDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX9D_WShLGsHot damn, Zhai Nai She's Ouyang Feng is AVATAR. It's like Paku, Hakoda, and Avatar Kuruk fused into the ultimate form of badassery. (skip to like five minutes into the video)

[Jove]

I think they have some share of lateral succesion, that is when the dynasts are chosen for their maturity and proficiency. Ozai definately wasn't fit to serve, but neither was Iroh after Lu Ten's death. This created a conflict, in which Ozai wanted to capitalize on. After that, Ozai just took on the other way of succession, by mandate of heaven, he probably killed Azulon, giving him the right to rule. This is why it was important for Aang to kill the firelord, not only because he was the only one capable to do it, but to show the world that he has no mandate from heaven. The Chinese characters above the title reads as an avatar descending upon the mortal world. Gods take on avatars only to restore balance of the world, after evil runs rampart in the world according to Hinduism. The Chinese characters above the title means someone from heaven descends upon the world, essentially, it means to the world that Ozai has no right to rule, and anyone who succeeds in power from killing him(anyone mortal, such as Iroh and Zuko) has no right to rule. So Aang has to defeat Ozai, then let the world know that Zuko was meant to rule, and to prevent the senseless cycle of succession through killing.
As for Ursa, She might not have known her linage, or perhaps she did...Maybe she was a member of the White Lotus? :LOS Either way, she passed on Roku's massive chi :iria
EDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX9D_WShLGsHot damn, Zhai Nai She's Ouyang Feng is AVATAR. It's like Paku, Hakoda, and Avatar Kuruk fused into the ultimate form of badassery. (skip to like five minutes into the video)

I think it's a straight primogeniture, since Azulon referred to the Fire Lordship as Iroh's birthright. That suggests to me that it's first-born-take-all.

Royalty is a fascinating subject. One common misconception is that Issues were vitriolic and antagonistic. In fact, the younger siblings often were either disinterested in the throne, or violently supportive. Either way, the accepted a life of opulence, staggeringly long titles, and a truly appalling disgust for commoners. It's the conniving ones that are romanticized. Of course, Ozai was the archetype of that.

Of course, I'm talking about the boys, since the girls were just diplomatic bargaining chips, almost certainly fated to marry a foreign first cousin. :oh

Often, the problems of Issue were caused by illness, not intrigue. Either the king died when his eldest was too young, or the eldest died early into his reign. But often the throne did not simply fall onto the next youngest. At that point, just about anyone could, and did, make a claim for the throne.

That's why what Ozai did was so fantastic. He controlled the entire situation. Not only did he make sure Azulon died, but, as you alluded to, Rei, he made it very clear to the Nation that the Mandate was specifically passed on to him. Most importantly, he made sure that the action was immediate. And the information was so controlled that Ozai and Ursa are perhaps the only two people in the Avatar world that know what happened.

[Nøøps]

can one of you awesome sauces +rep me :)

[ReikaiDemon]

I think it's a straight primogeniture, since Azulon referred to the Fire Lordship as Iroh's birthright. That suggests to me that it's first-born-take-all.

Royalty is a fascinating subject. One common misconception is that Issues were vitriolic and antagonistic. In fact, the younger siblings often were either disinterested in the throne, or violently supportive. Either way, the accepted a life of opulence, staggeringly long titles, and a truly appalling disgust for commoners. It's the conniving ones that are romanticized. Of course, Ozai was the archetype of that.

Of course, I'm talking about the boys, since the girls were just diplomatic bargaining chips, almost certainly fated to marry a foreign first cousin. :oh

Often, the problems of Issue were caused by illness, not intrigue. Either the king died when his eldest was too young, or the eldest died early into his reign. But often the throne did not simply fall onto the next youngest. At that point, just about anyone could, and did, make a claim for the throne.

That's why what Ozai did was so fantastic. He controlled the entire situation. Not only did he make sure Azulon died, but, as you alluded to, Rei, he made it very clear to the Nation that the Mandate was specifically passed on to him. Most importantly, he made sure that the action was immediate. And the information was so controlled that Ozai and Ursa are perhaps the only two people in the Avatar world that know what happened.
Hmm, that could be why Zuko was safe, Ursa probably swore never to tell in exchange for the protection of Zuko, and part of that agreement was a voluntary banishment from the continent. Or somewhere secluded.

Zhai Nai She would make an awesome waterbender warrior :iria

[Jove]

Hmm, that could be why Zuko was safe, Ursa probably swore never to tell in exchange for the protection of Zuko, and part of that agreement was a voluntary banishment from the continent. Or somewhere secluded.

Zhai Nai She would make an awesome waterbender warrior :iria

Yeah, although I can't think of any for his age. I was surprised with that youtube video. I was hoping it would be John Chang again. Well, I guess it's up to me...


REAL FIREBENDING:

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[ReikaiDemon]

Yeah, although I can't think of any for his age. I was surprised with that youtube video. I was hoping it would be John Chang again. Well, I guess it's up to me...


REAL FIREBENDING:

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lmao, I posted him like three times in here :X3 Didn't think anyone even noticed those posts though....
My belly kinda feels a little hot after a few sets of internal kung fu :nod

[ReikaiDemon]

*revives* :sag

[LIL_M0]

can one of you awesome sauces +rep me :)
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[stab-o-tron5000]

I see you've forgotten avatar kyoshi then :wink

You know, I always forget that Kiyoshi was an earthbender. It's because of the fans, I see them and always think she's an airbender. You'd think the green outfit would remind me.


As a side note, I've just made my 200th post and it's only taken me 3 years. I'm on a roll!

[Linkdarkside]

a "cartoon" not anime [even though they are actually the same thing]. It was made here in America, so therefore a cartoon. Transfered from Japan, would mean anime. But i really wonder if the Avatar was made here. It looks like it was out in China or so first.cartoon is deformed comedy character serie like dexter,cow&chiken,ect all that crap.

avatar=animated serie.

[ReikaiDemon]

cartoon is deformed comedy character serie like dexter,cow&chiken,ect and all that crap.

avatar=animated serie.
lmao, three year old post

[Jove]

You know, I always forget that Kiyoshi was an earthbender. It's because of the fans, I see them and always think she's an airbender. You'd think the green outfit would remind me.


As a side note, I've just made my 200th post and it's only taken me 3 years. I'm on a roll!

Ha! Well done. I've managed to put out 525 in this thread.

It is true, though. Only two female Earthbenders were shown. On a side note, we got to see two Fire Avatars, and both were male.

[Taurus Versant]

Did we see an image of the second firebender Avatar? I can't remember, though I assume we mighta gotten a split second glance when they were all lined up.

[ReikaiDemon]

Ha! Well done. I've managed to put out 525 in this thread.

It is true, though. Only two female Earthbenders were shown. On a side note, we got to see two Fire Avatars, and both were male.
It's probably because Toph is an uber tomboy, giving her more yang qualities than yin, which made her comfortable in a yang centered martial art.
What if Toph was a boy all along? :lmao
Or she's trapped in a girl's body in an era with no gender correction surgery? :sag
XD

[Gunners]

a "cartoon" not anime [even though they are actually the same thing]. It was made here in America, so therefore a cartoon. Transfered from Japan, would mean anime. But i really wonder if the Avatar was made here. It looks like it was out in China or so first.
Actually I'm pretty sure the animation was done Korea. Though it is a product of Americans which shits on many animes from Japan. I don't know why people get so worked up over the terms cartoon and anime it doesn't really matter.

My mum would call DBZ a cartoon, overall it doesn't matter.

[Jove]

Did we see an image of the second firebender Avatar? I can't remember, though I assume we mighta gotten a split second glance when they were all lined up.

It was in "The Avatar State." They showed the four Avatars that preceded Roku. Kyoshi, Kuruk, Yangchen, and unnamed AVATAR Fire Avatar that controls multiple volcanoes at the same time:

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep21/ep21-293.png


So the cycle doesn't rotate genders, apparently. I would say that female Firebenders are an extreme rarity, but we saw several in the FN military.

And this was also the true beginning of the "Why and how the hell do firebenders control magma?" debate. And I still say it's balderdash, but it looks cool.

[ReikaiDemon]

Actually I'm pretty sure the animation was done Korea. Though it is a product of Americans which shits on many animes from Japan. I don't know why people get so worked up over the terms cartoon and anime it doesn't really matter.

My mum would call DBZ a cartoon, overall it doesn't matter.
I said lol, three year old post.
Anyways, I'll just quote myself here Well...Not really, it's a common misconception that people have that all animation is done in Korea. Really, it's actually stuff like inbetweens and frame fixing. Sometimes, when workloads are too full, animation is outsourced to other studios, especially Korea's studios.
The animators of avatar actually do work on the befores and afters of the episode, things like story boarding, pallet consistency and lighting effects happen at the bookends of the animation process.
It is however noticeable when the animation changes hands, such as Ozai's appearance is different from DR MOVIE'S work to the other Korean studio that handled Ozai during the Black Sun episodes.
So, really, the creators of Avatar use Korean studios to polish certain things and carry some jobs to meet deadlines. It would be hard to make a series quickly, and consistently if the entire process was outsourced to Korean studios.

[ReikaiDemon]

It was in "The Avatar State." They showed the four Avatars that preceded Roku. Kyoshi, Kuruk, Yangchen, and unnamed AVATAR Fire Avatar that controls multiple volcanoes at the same time:

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep21/ep21-293.png


So the cycle doesn't rotate genders, apparently. I would say that female Firebenders are an extreme rarity, but we saw several in the FN military.

And this was also the true beginning of the "Why and how the hell do firebenders control magma?" debate. And I still say it's balderdash, but it looks cool.
I would guess it's like lightning, you can make it, but you can't really control it. For magma, there is no way to control it, just make it, for Avatars, it's easy for them, since they can use Earthbending too to control magma's/lava's direction and stuff.
I doubt it's as simple as a pure waterbender controlling mud, since water is matter, and you can use it to manipulate plants and mud, while fire is energy, and has no force that can be transferred other than the propulsion of fuel.
Though, there could be chi involved in moving it, or letting parts of lava cool, while liquefying other parts to provide some kind of movement. But, the only lava benders were Avatars or earthbenders possibly, so this argument is moot.

[Muk]

so has their been any news on continuations or anything else cool for the avatar?

[masterriku]

so has their been any news on continuations or anything else cool for the avatar?

I pretty sure no news since comic-con.
how come no one has made a quizz I'm thinking of making one off book 1.

[blackssk]

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[Taurus Versant]

I would guess it's like lightning, you can make it, but you can't really control it. For magma, there is no way to control it, just make it, for Avatars, it's easy for them, since they can use Earthbending too to control magma's/lava's direction and stuff.
I doubt it's as simple as a pure waterbender controlling mud, since water is matter, and you can use it to manipulate plants and mud, while fire is energy, and has no force that can be transferred other than the propulsion of fuel.
Though, there could be chi involved in moving it, or letting parts of lava cool, while liquefying other parts to provide some kind of movement. But, the only lava benders were Avatars or earthbenders possibly, so this argument is moot.

I like you guys' discussions like this. It's fun to read. Not tl;dr in the slightest. Enjoyable. :iria

[Ema Skye]

I don't know if this has been posted yet but they have started the casting for Aang! :X3

The Last Air Bender Casting (http://www.thelastairbendercasting.com/index.php)

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

Sometines, I love avatarspirit.net

Mai on... Kataang. (http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=91.msg1213717#msg1213717)

"Take the two most cavity-carving twits in the show, buckle them both in chastity belts, and you have the main 'ship' of Avatar: The Last Airbender.

"Aang is an airbending freak with no hair and a body build like my little brother WHO'S TWO YEARS OLD, but he has a personality that could favorably be compared to an affectionate puppy so he naturally lights up Katara's radar like a firetruck with its siren set to 11. Katara was dark-skinned, exotic, as curved as a lamppost, and uninterested in getting some, so naturally the romance didn't progress much until season 3 when she suddenly discovered America and puberty set in.

"By that point, the two should have looked more like bunnies than humans, but my boyfriend showed up at their house and asked if he could stay 'til he cleared things up with his folks, so all the romance was put on hold until Zuko was no longer shuffling through the house in his Spongebob boxers.

"Once Zuko was safely chained to the throne NO NOT THAT THRONE the two were free to get together and do whatever it is kids do when declare themselves a couple. I wouldn't know because the love of my life decided to mouth off to his pa and subsequently had to join the navy for a few years.

"Why are you still here?"Mai on... Sukka! (http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=91.msg1215235#msg1215235)

"Sukka- the Avatar ship for people who like their men girly, their women desperate, and their heat level higher than Ozai on Cactus Juice.

"Sokka has the unfortunate luck to combine the sexiest male body on the planet with a personality so girly even Ty Lee got jealous. Early in his adventures he meets a girl named Suki and falls head over heals for her, drawing yet another disturbing comparison to Ty Lee with both his agility and love for people in CLOWN makeup. Suki is the greatest warrior on the planet, and also the hottest girl on the planet IF YOU LIKE THAT SORT OF THING, and wiser than three Avatars in a barrel, so of course she gives in to whatever chemicals are pumping in her brain and gets with Sokka solely for his hot body.

"Sokka isn't so manly than he doesn't have a fear of commitment, so he spends the next season and a half running as far as he can from Suki and getting it on with everything in a skirt short of his sister UNLESS YOU LOOK AT THE SUBTEXT until Suki finally catches up with him and reminds him of his fetish for clown makeup. Fortunately Azula was there to spare everyone from our coming GAG REFLEX and captured Suki and sent her to Alcatraz.

"Eventually Sokka realized he wasn't going to be getting what he wanted from the Earthbending tomboy he'd been hanging with and literally tripped over Suki just in time for his voice to deepen. The two spent the rest of the series competing to see how far they could push the censors with their tent-time and stripping, officially knocking me and Zuko down to the second most gross coupling in the history of television.

"That plain enough for you?"Mai on... Ty Zula (http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=91.msg1215459#msg1215459).

"No matter how hard, fast, and consistently Nickelodeon denies it, one of the canon ships that snuck past the censors was the illicit romance between Princess Azula and Ty Lee, the two fruitcakes I have the misfortune to call my best friends.

"Azula had a rough childhood that consisted of being the Fire Lord's favorite person in the whole world and so got away with every single antic she perpetrated in service to her inborn misanthropy. She might give you a spiel about how she never had her mother's love and that it resulted in a lifetime of sociopathic rampaging, but the truth is that torturing her big brother Zuko with a sharp object relieved all her stress and kept her a happy child.

"Ty Lee was an airhead who finally proved the old wives' tale that mothers shouldn't drink Cactus Juice while they're pregnant. She has an attention span that makes a Lemur look positively scholarly and a color-based outlook on life that really sent all the wrong signals about which side the river she played on.

"Azula made the rubber-willed Ty Lee her plaything to the disgust of everyone paying attention, a group of which I happened to be THE ONLY MEMBER. Eventually Ty Lee overcame her Stockholm Syndrome after an incident involving a knife, a rhino, and War Minister Qin and ran away to join the circus, probably with the notion that she could use all the clown makeup as part of a complicated plan to seduce Sokka OH WAIT SHE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT HIM YET. Azula shortly followed and offered Ty Lee the best present she could think of, namely the chance to abuse her brother Zuko.

"Things were going swimmingly between the two so long as you look at things from Azula's perspective, until a little incident that could be summarized as my taking away Azula's favorite toy and then daring her to do something about it because I couldn't stand to live another second WATCHING MY TWO SO-CALLED FRIENDS FLY FREELY UNDER THE NETWORK'S RADAR. Ty Lee saw the whole thing as her chance of escape and chained herself to my leg as I was shipped out to Alcatraz to think about what I did while I golfed and earned a Master's Degree in law.

"By the time we got back, Azula had gone crazy from the frustration of the whole silly mess and had been locked in a closet by her brother so we could all pretend she never existed. Ty Lee promptly asserted her independence by going to live on an island with a bunch of man-hating prima-donas who harbored a fetish for pointy objects and rhinos.

"And people wonder why I wear black and cut myself."

[Hyuuga Sandy]

Avatar is a cool show. Too bad they ended the series. I loved it when Zuko joined Aang's group. They should do what they did with Naruto and start another series that shows them some years older. Like Avatar Shippuuden or something. lol

[Dimezanime20]

Wow, so we made it past 10,000 huh? Great job guys!

[kakoishii]

hmm casting huh :hmm? let's take a deeper look at the casting specs for Aang:

We are considering male actors 12-15 years old, Caucasian or any other ethnicity.
I love how they tack on "or any other ethnicity" like some kind of after thought. Say what you really mean Paramount
"We are considering male actors 12-15 years old, Caucasian."
To be PC I guess they decided to pretend like it would be possible to have a Jet black 12 year old from south africa play the part :amuse oh well I think a black aang would've been entertaining.

He must be athletic and graceful with an ability in Martial Arts (not necessarily extensive experience, but at least an aptitude for it).
Hey, maybe Aang will be asian, I take back what I said about their racist casting, Aang will surely be the next kung fuu kid :awesome

Kids with experience in gymnastics, dance, or sports could also be good. He is a young adventurer and should seem like the type of young man who will grow up to be heroic
seem like the type of young man who will grow up to be heroic? What the hell does that mean? In what case would someone's kid not look he'll grow up to be heroic? So what they could just tell someone's kid "sorry kid, you just don't look like you'll grow up to be heroic" wow paramount, way to crush a child's dream :oh

[ReikaiDemon]

hmm casting huh :hmm? let's take a deeper look at the casting specs for Aang:

I love how they tack on "or any other ethnicity" like some kind of after thought. Say what you really mean Paramount
"We are considering male actors 12-15 years old, Caucasian."
To be PC I guess they decided to pretend like it would be possible to have a Jet black 12 year old from south africa play the part :amuse oh well I think a black aang would've been entertaining.

Hey, maybe Aang will be asian, I take back what I said about their racist casting, Aang will surely be the next kung fuu kid :awesome

seem like the type of young man who will grow up to be heroic? What the hell does that mean? In what case would someone's kid not look he'll grow up to be heroic? So what they could just tell someone's kid "sorry kid, you just don't look like you'll grow up to be heroic" wow paramount, way to crush a child's dream :oh
Yeah, that's what I said ._.
Why couldn't they just say any kid, blah blah blah, the requirements, etc....
Speaking of, why do people alternate between black, and African, white and Caucasian? ._.
Doesn't African-(current country of residence) and Caucasian-(same) make no sense?
Same for the other country, then home classification <.<

Plus, that whole grow up to be a hero thing, makes me believe they've already botched up the movie....Aang didn't grow up to be a hero, he was the fricken' hero, and developed along the way :facepalm.

[Jove]

Yeah, that's what I said ._.
Why couldn't they just say any kid, blah blah blah, the requirements, etc....
Speaking of, why do people alternate between black, and African, white and Caucasian? ._.
Doesn't African-(current country of residence) and Caucasian-(same) make no sense?
Same for the other country, then home classification <.<

Plus, that whole grow up to be a hero thing, makes me believe they've already botched up the movie....Aang didn't grow up to be a hero, he was the fricken' hero, and developed along the way :facepalm.

That's a problem. The show takes place over a 9-10 month period. None of the kids actually 'grow up;" they mature. And a 12 year old kid is going to look awfully different by the end of Movie 3. I'd imagine they go closer to 15. It would also look flat-out bizarre to see a little 12-year old kid airbending, although I suppose that's the point.

But really, this is the politically incorrect world of casting. And this one of the harmless aspects of it. Unsavory is a kind way to describe it. Especially casting for children.

[ReikaiDemon]

REVIVE DAMMIT!

[Taurus Versant]

Far too quiet in here.

[Jove]

Ok, I didn't want to resuscitate this. I've done that plenty of times, and I had faith in Rei and Taur to do it. Eventually...


But I've got to say something, because there's a bit of Avatar talk in the Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon threads by loathsome trolls and clueless numskulls. So some might stride into this thread. I'll clarify:

If ... you are reticent to watch Avatar because it's "not Japanese."

If ... you've used the phrase "fake anime."

If ... you love it when the "good girl" and "anti-hero" get together (this one's for your own good. :zaru )

If ... you are worried there might be explicit, overbearing themes of "friendship" and "multiculturalism" and "relativism" and such things.

If ... you believe a show cannot truly succeed without blood, gore, disease, dearth, pestilence, cursing, techno, awkward scaling, brutality, hardcore (just hardcore), people aggressively pulling other people by their lapels when they've JUST HAD ENOUGH, INTIMIDATING breasts, dozens upon dozens of betrayals, heroic rogues bravely demanding that his enemies inflict more punishment upon him, female submission, graphic depictions of death and fucking and female submission, prolonged allegorical political diatribes, and attacks comprised of pure and abstract energy...


NEVER watch Avatar. The show's over and the fandom is secure. NEVER. And if you somehow find yourself in a situation where you might watch an episode, even accidentally, leave it immediately. It doesn't matter what the context is, what the ramifications might be, how accessible an exit is... just get out of there.

But otherwise, enjoy the show and come hang out here with us. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/joviansatellite/MelonLordCookieMonster.png

[masterriku]

Far too quiet in here.

I blame timelines.


Anyhow once I get over my chronic procastination I'll write up that book one quizz.

[Taurus Versant]

Jove again brings up truths to apply to the world. Specially that Zutara one :lmao

And yes, everything that is wrong with the world can be traced back to timezones. I firmly believe that.

[ReikaiDemon]

I blame timelines.


Anyhow once I get over my chronic procastination I'll write up that book one quizz.
I can make it in flash if you have the questions :iria

[Nizuma Eiji]

The thread's dying Jim.

[Jove]

The thread's dying Jim.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/joviansatellite/ThreadResus.png

I've still got to finish the Rewatch, and there's more to discuss. I have plenty of flash topics to run through if things get really desperate.

[Taurus Versant]

You should do a review for Sozin's Comet like you did for all the other episodes during the rewatch. :iria

[Tyrael]

Just finished watching the series and was pleasantly surprised. Very good stuff.

[Taurus Versant]

Welcome to our madness, Tyrael. We have Melon Lords. :iria

[Jove]

You should do a review for Sozin's Comet like you did for all the other episodes during the rewatch. :iria

T'is the plan. I just hope Mider remembers. :notrust

Hey, my old MD Mafia mate Tyrael! Good to see you here.

[Tyrael]

Welcome to our madness, Tyrael. We have Melon Lords. :iria

Madness? I'll fit right in here then. :LOS

T'is the plan. I just hope Mider remembers. :notrust

Hey, my old MD Mafia mate Tyrael! Good to see you here.

Haha, hopefully my ham handled bull in a china shop approach ain't left too bad an impression.

And if you're wanting to dissect the series have you ever heard of tvtropes? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AvatarTheLastAirbender)

[ReikaiDemon]

Ok, I didn't want to resuscitate this. I've done that plenty of times, and I had faith in Rei and Taur to do it. Eventually...


But I've got to say something, because there's a bit of Avatar talk in the Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon threads by loathsome trolls and clueless numskulls. So some might stride into this thread. I'll clarify:

If ... you are reticent to watch Avatar because it's "not Japanese."

If ... you've used the phrase "fake anime."

If ... you love it when the "good girl" and "anti-hero" get together (this one's for your own good. :zaru )

If ... you are worried there might be explicit, overbearing themes of "friendship" and "multiculturalism" and "relativism" and such things.

If ... you believe a show cannot truly succeed without blood, gore, disease, dearth, pestilence, cursing, techno, awkward scaling, brutality, hardcore (just hardcore), people aggressively pulling other people by their lapels when they've JUST HAD ENOUGH, INTIMIDATING breasts, dozens upon dozens of betrayals, heroic rogues bravely demanding that his enemies inflict more punishment upon him, female submission, graphic depictions of death and fucking and female submission, prolonged allegorical political diatribes, and attacks comprised of pure and abstract energy...


NEVER watch Avatar. The show's over and the fandom is secure. NEVER. And if you somehow find yourself in a situation where you might watch an episode, even accidentally, leave it immediately. It doesn't matter what the context is, what the ramifications might be, how accessible an exit is... just get out of there.

But otherwise, enjoy the show and come hang out here with us. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/joviansatellite/MelonLordCookieMonster.png
You know, it's pretty much a given that Avatar is not like by some. Never ever EVER will you ever find ANYTHING in the world that all humans like.

[Jove]

You know, it's pretty much a given that Avatar is not like by some. Never ever EVER will you ever find ANYTHING in the world that all humans like.

Don't care.

And the purpose of that was to address the ones who've never seen the show, or have only seen a few episodes, who disparage it with those ridiculous, trolling statements.

[ReikaiDemon]

Don't care.

And the purpose of that was to address the ones who've never seen the show, or have only seen a few episodes, who disparage it with those ridiculous, trolling statements.
I don't really listen those kind of people :nod
They're not mature enough to know what a good show is anyways :LOS
Plus it's just feeding trolls if you pay attention to them :X3
Not enough Ents get the attention they deserve though :<

[Ennoea]

Which bastard posted the spoilers that Aang was gonna die? I kept waiting for the moment and then nothing came of it, I call for a ban:pek

[Tyrael]

Well:

Didn't he die at the end of the second series but get brought back to life? Hence how he thought the avatar state was gone for good.

[ReikaiDemon]

Well:

Didn't he die at the end of the second series but get brought back to life? Hence how he thought the avatar state was gone for good.
People do have temporary deaths sometimes, I didn't know there was a second series though....

[Tyrael]

Season then, for anyone in this thread that is American.

[Jove]

You're both wrong. It was the second Book. :edu


Spoilers in Avatar were often inflammatory. During the first two books, and especially in the second half of Earth, they were hilariously inaccurate. IMDB was a fecund area for wild rumors. Lots of imaginative stuff posted there and on wikipedia.

Then Book 3 happened, and the spoilers were real. :pek

[Nizuma Eiji]

Book 3 = Serious business.
It was so hard not to read & look at all the spoilers before the episodes aired.

[ReikaiDemon]

Book 3 = Serious business.
It was so hard not to read & look at all the spoilers before the episodes aired.
It was easy for me :sag
I didn't even know spoilers for it existed XD

[Tyrael]

It was easy for me :sag
I didn't even know spoilers for it existed XD

Ditto'd. So I got kept from the following revelation that shook the program to it's foundation:

The only male character is Azula. :LOS

[ReikaiDemon]

Ditto'd. So I got kept from the following revelation that shook the program to it's foundation:

The only male character is Azula. :LOS
So, she's like, futanari? :LOS

[Mider T]

The wait for Book 3 was like the wait for Shippuden.

Except we weren't emoly disappointed.

[ReikaiDemon]

The wait for Book 3 was like the wait for Shippuden.

Except we weren't emoly disappointed.
Imagine how it would be like if we had Avatar fillers :LOS

[Mider T]

The Great Divide

EVERY WEEK:argh

[Jove]

Imagine how it would be like if we had Avatar fillers :LOS

"I hate Aang goaway!!!!"

"I said GO'WAY!!!!!!!! :mad :mad :mad "

"Oh wait, I'm exactly like you Aang let's be friends! :love "


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand repeat.

[Kaenboshi]

It would also golden shower scenes become possible. :hmm?

Actually, I've seen a good chunk of disappointment from Book 3. Then again, it's not emoly depressed ethier.

[Jove]

Twice is where I have to step in and ask what "emoly" means.

[Kaenboshi]

TBH, I don't know exactly, I just kind of used it. Really stupid in retrospect.

Anyway, I actually want to know this. How did everyone here feel about Book 3? I've heard (read) comments about it being really disappointing in comparison to Book 2 (especially post-Bitter Work).

[Mider T]

That word was used before?:lmao

Just an adjective form of emo that [s]I thought/s] I made up

[Silvermyst]

Woah haven't been here in a while.


So the other day I was watching the TMNT movie on HBO (:<3) and I was very surprised to hear the voice of Master Splinter. I was like "Holy shit, Iroh?!?! :argh"

[Jove]

Woah haven't been here in a while.


So the other day I was watching the TMNT movie on HBO (:<3) and I was very surprised to hear the voice of Master Splinter. I was like "Holy shit, Iroh?!?! :argh"

hahhahaha, yup.

TBH, I don't know exactly, I just kind of used it. Really stupid in retrospect.

Anyway, I actually want to know this. How did everyone here feel about Book 3? I've heard (read) comments about it being really disappointing in comparison to Book 2 (especially post-Bitter Work).


I can't say I was disappointed with Book 3 at all. DOBS and Sozin's Comet more than made up for the shortcomings of the first half, but the first half definitely did have serious faults:

1. Not enough emphasis on the Fire Nation itself.
-------- Two episodes, The Headband and The Painted Lady, tried to show a different side to the Fire Nation. But there was never a sense that we were in an innate state of Fire Nation. Nothing truly distinctive was shown that separated this land from the EK. It basically came off as an EK archipelago.

2. Combustion Man was bollocks.
----- Honestly, what purpose did he serve? Maybe I let the SDCC '07 poster fool me, but this was supposed to be this Book's Zhao. A true menace that would test the Gaang's resolve and be Zuko's ultimate error. In the end, he fell into a fucking chasm. Bye, Sparky.

3. The Beach
----- Next.

4. The Beach
----- Honestly, NEXT!

5. Whaaaaaar's Toph?!
----- Our beloved mini maelstrom, and possibly the most popular character on the show, was reduced to your run-of-the-mill, quipping little girl character. A pre-industrial Tina Yothers. A middle-sister-from-Major-Dad with bangs. Even when she got attention in The Runaway, it ended up being about Katara. Nonsense.

But honestly, when I watched these episodes again, I loved them all (EXCEPT FOR THE GODDAMNED BEACH, IT NEVER EVEN HAPPENED, YOU KNOW!!). It demands that you accept them for what they are: somewhat frivolous episodes, but that provide a bit of character movement.

But the flaws still remain.

The second half of Book 3 was phenomenal. Although The Western Air Temple had an anticlimactic ending sequence, everything from then was superb. Firebending Masters, Boiling Rock, and, of course, Sozin's Comet. Even though Southern Raiders had some pacing issues, it still had some classic moments.


But it's not Book 2. Book 2 was a masterpiece. The list of episodes is staggering. So compared to that, it obviously fell short. Save for Sozin's Comet, of course.

[arcanecapricorn]

actually the first half of book 3 didn't totally suck, you forget that the episode "The Avatar and the Firelord" was an extremly informational and crucial episode for the whole series, becuase it gave the backstory on what happened between Avatar Roku and Firelord Sozin

[ReikaiDemon]

Woah haven't been here in a while.


So the other day I was watching the TMNT movie on HBO (:<3) and I was very surprised to hear the voice of Master Splinter. I was like "Holy shit, Iroh?!?! :argh"
Yeah, it was Mako's last role if I'm not mistaken...

[Taurus Versant]

Which bastard posted the spoilers that Aang was gonna die? I kept waiting for the moment and then nothing came of it, I call for a ban:pek

So I wasn't the only one who got hit with that spoiler.

Honestly, I cringed when Zuko didn't explain that you had to avoid the heart when you redirected lightning. I was convinced that would be how Aang died.

And then he didn't. :awesome

[ReikaiDemon]

So I wasn't the only one who got hit with that spoiler.

Honestly, I cringed when Zuko didn't explain that you had to avoid the heart when you redirected lightning. I was convinced that would be how Aang died.

And then he didn't. :awesome
lol, I'm sure being the master of three other elements, he would already gather that info from prior knowledge

[Taurus Versant]

Then why did Iroh warn about it so vigourously? Red herring I say :quite

[Tyrael]

It was a very subtle point of foreshadowing-it left Aang with the unwitting weakness to lightning because Zuko failed to warn him, and when something as stressed upon as that is neglected you know the narrative will use it. And it did, with the temporary death thing.

[ReikaiDemon]

Then why did Iroh warn about it so vigourously? Red herring I say :quite
Zuko doesn't know waterbending, duh :sag
What else would you tell someone who knew only firebending all their life?

[Taurus Versant]

Yeah, but it was only derived from the flow of waterbending. Sending it through the stomach wasn't even part of the move, it can be transmitted from one arm to the next. The only reason its directed through the stomach is to avoid the heart.

[iiTohsakaxx]

I like avatar :wtf
though I haven't seen the new episodes yet :argh

[Jove]

actually the first half of book 3 didn't totally suck, you forget that the episode "The Avatar and the Firelord" was an extremly informational and crucial episode for the whole series, becuase it gave the backstory on what happened between Avatar Roku and Firelord Sozin

This is true. I just avoided it because I focused on the faults that were prevalent in the first half. Avatar and the Fire Lord, Sokka's Master, The Puppetmaster... no faults there to pick through.


As for Zuko's method of teaching Aang the lightning redirect... he did warn him.

But you know that you make the wrong move, it’s over.

[Taurus Versant]

Ambiguous warning is ambiguous :argh

[Jove]

Ambiguous warning is ambiguous :argh

Mmm-hmmm. It's good enough.

Now fill me in on why you and several others have that Byakuya daguerreotype set?

[Taurus Versant]

It's Byakuya Day over in Bleach Avenue.:byastars

[Jove]

It's Byakuya Day over in Bleach Avenue.:byastars

Ugh. Blender, jr. :pek



ps Yumichika is awesome. More Yumi chapters. :yell

[Taurus Versant]

Not THAT Byakuya. :lmao

[Ennoea]

Isn't it Byakuya day every month there?

[Mider T]

^I think it's time for you to become 3rd division captain.

[Taurus Versant]

Clearly you missed Urahara Day :urahaha

[Jove]

The Avatar would like for you to stop discussing Bleach now.

Flash Topic:

Top 5 Hair Lengths For Zuko

5. Book 1's Topknot

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep13/ep13-62.png
The design that everyone fell in love with. And by "everyone," I mean "everyone who will advertise the show for it's entirety, no matter what he looks like." The topknot is bourgeois. :pek

4. The Cave of Two Lovers' Fuzz

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep22/ep22-55.png
Not really interesting in retrospect, but it was fascinating to discover that Zuko's hair was going to grow. It was assumed reason would prevail... in the end, a mandate from DiMartino was needed.

3. The Avatar and the Fire Lord's Bruce Lee

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep46/ep46-638.png
The zenith of absurd hirsute Zuko.

2. Crossroads of Destiny's Sensible Length

http://dvdscreenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/220/130.jpg
Happily splitting the difference between the model coif of Zuko Alone and the outlandish Book 3 shaggy dog.

1. 9 Year Old Zuko's Full Growth Topknot

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep27/ep27-94.png
How Zuko looked before Ursa's disappearance upended his world, and, not coincidentally, the style he wears as the Fire Lord.
http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep61/ep61-1201.png

[Ennoea]

Thats DL's position Mider, I can't take it.

[Mider T]

General wants you to, I want you to. DL is just in the cafe now, he says it's alright.

Also Jove did the Creators say something about Zuko's hairstyle and his heelface turn of personality?

[Jove]

General wants you to, I want you to. DL is just in the cafe now, he says it's alright.

Also Jove did the Creators say something about Zuko's hairstyle and his heelface turn of personality?

Not that I know of; I believe that was simply one of those fantastic bits of symbolism that arises when the writing is so meticulously and adroitly crafted.

Also, the animators went bananas with the fucking hair, pardon the reference.

[Mider T]

Expressions barely pardoned.:pek

The style change I was happy with was when they finally got Katara to stop wearing the huge overcoat back in season 1, she turned into a woman that day:awesome

[ReikaiDemon]

The Avatar would like for you to stop discussing Bleach now.

Flash Topic:

Top 5 Hair Lengths For Zuko

5. Book 1's Topknot

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep13/ep13-62.png
The design that everyone fell in love with. And by "everyone," I mean "everyone who will advertise the show for it's entirety, no matter what he looks like." The topknot is bourgeois. :pek

4. The Cave of Two Lovers' Fuzz

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep22/ep22-55.png
Not really interesting in retrospect, but it was fascinating to discover that Zuko's hair was going to grow. It was assumed reason would prevail... in the end, a mandate from DiMartino was needed.

3. The Avatar and the Fire Lord's Bruce Lee

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep46/ep46-638.png
The zenith of absurd hirsute Zuko.

2. Crossroads of Destiny's Sensible Length

http://dvdscreenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/220/130.jpg
Happily splitting the difference between the model coif of Zuko Alone and the outlandish Book 3 shaggy dog.

1. 9 Year Old Zuko's Full Growth Topknot

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep27/ep27-94.png
How Zuko looked before Ursa's disappearance upended his world, and, not coincidentally, the style he wears as the Fire Lord.
http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep61/ep61-1201.png

:D: Yeah, I hate it when they use book one Zuko FOR EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF CANON THAT IS MARKETABLE...
For AVATAR's sake, you stupid marketers, get rid of your static cartoon character mentality :D: :D:
*begins rant at imaginary manifestations of Avatar merchandisers*
So, like, I saw a commercial for NEW DBZ actionfigures.... Wtf? Let the dead horse die in peace, damn, it's already in pieces.... Well, enough of that, what really got me thinking, is how stupid they were, Piccolo was the only noteworthy one, and then I was getting afraid that there would be new poorly concieved, and manufactured Avatar action figures with "AWESOME AVATAR STATE ACTION TO TEH MAX KEEDS!!!! YUH-YEAH!! XTREME!!!"
I'm okay with toys, but for God's sake, at least make them high quality enough so those sweatshop slaves had something REMOTELY to be proud of.....
And for that matter, STOP USING BOOK ONE ZUKO! I think the first version Zuko stuff outnumber the later Zukos.....
Maybe an adorable kid Zuko for the girls, or something, damn...
...
Ya know, I think I should just buy some plastic, and make a statuette of Zuko and the other characters...
The only question is if I should sculpt them out of plastic clay,make molds for pouring, carve them out of plastic block, or go rent a CNC laser polymerization machine...
Hey, that gives me an idea, I wish we had cool model kits that lets us make the figures, like they do in Japan for anime series.

[Nizuma Eiji]

The Avatar would like for you to stop discussing Bleach now.

Flash Topic:

Top 5 Hair Lengths For Zuko

5. Book 1's Topknot

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep13/ep13-62.png
The design that everyone fell in love with. And by "everyone," I mean "everyone who will advertise the show for it's entirety, no matter what he looks like." The topknot is bourgeois. :pek

4. The Cave of Two Lovers' Fuzz

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep22/ep22-55.png
Not really interesting in retrospect, but it was fascinating to discover that Zuko's hair was going to grow. It was assumed reason would prevail... in the end, a mandate from DiMartino was needed.

3. The Avatar and the Fire Lord's Bruce Lee

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep46/ep46-638.png
The zenith of absurd hirsute Zuko.

2. Crossroads of Destiny's Sensible Length

http://dvdscreenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/220/130.jpg
Happily splitting the difference between the model coif of Zuko Alone and the outlandish Book 3 shaggy dog.

1. 9 Year Old Zuko's Full Growth Topknot

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep27/ep27-94.png
How Zuko looked before Ursa's disappearance upended his world, and, not coincidentally, the style he wears as the Fire Lord.
http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep61/ep61-1201.png


I was hoping it would be a chronicle of the hair's growth from season to season.

[Mider T]

More like half-season to half-season.

but that was an excellent animated transition when his hair was growing back in real-time. Like Wilma's pregnancy on the Flintstones.

[Hellion]

I finished Avatar, and I love this series. I still wanted him to kill the fire lord, I also wanted the to do like a 5 year later senario. Also what about Zuko's mom :uwah

[Mider T]

There were fake spoilers about such a thing.

[ReikaiDemon]

I was hoping it would be a chronicle of the hair's growth from season to season.
You just reminded me of Perfect Hair Forever :X3

[Jove]

:D: Yeah, I hate it when they use book one Zuko FOR EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF CANON THAT IS MARKETABLE...
For AVATAR's sake, you stupid marketers, get rid of your static cartoon character mentality :D: :D:
*begins rant at imaginary manifestations of Avatar merchandisers*
So, like, I saw a commercial for NEW DBZ actionfigures.... Wtf? Let the dead horse die in peace, damn, it's already in pieces.... Well, enough of that, what really got me thinking, is how stupid they were, Piccolo was the only noteworthy one, and then I was getting afraid that there would be new poorly concieved, and manufactured Avatar action figures with "AWESOME AVATAR STATE ACTION TO TEH MAX KEEDS!!!! YUH-YEAH!! XTREME!!!"
I'm okay with toys, but for God's sake, at least make them high quality enough so those sweatshop slaves had something REMOTELY to be proud of.....
And for that matter, STOP USING BOOK ONE ZUKO! I think the first version Zuko stuff outnumber the later Zukos.....
Maybe an adorable kid Zuko for the girls, or something, damn...
...
Ya know, I think I should just buy some plastic, and make a statuette of Zuko and the other characters...
The only question is if I should sculpt them out of plastic clay,make molds for pouring, carve them out of plastic block, or go rent a CNC laser polymerization machine...
Hey, that gives me an idea, I wish we had cool model kits that lets us make the figures, like they do in Japan for anime series.

The Earth Kingdom Queen has spoken. :edu

I was hoping it would be a chronicle of the hair's growth from season to season.

More like half-season to half-season.

but that was an excellent animated transition when his hair was growing back in real-time. Like Wilma's pregnancy on the Flintstones.

Uhhhhhh... what about "Top 5" didn't you birdbrains understand? It was my Top 5. Flash topics do two things:

1. Keep the thread alive

2. Provoke discussion about the topic.

Does #2 ever happen? No. But the town crier always ends up at the bottom of the campanile eventually.

Or so I've heard.

[Nizuma Eiji]

It's not that serious Jove. You act like I'm whining & complaining about the list.

[Jove]

It's not that serious Jove. You act like I'm whining & complaining about the list.

Actually, it was supposed to be taken as humorous.


Although I should do a chronicle. Problem is that there's actually not as many different lengths as you'd think. It just seemed like he spouted the lush overnight.

[ReikaiDemon]

Actually, it was supposed to be taken as humorous.


Although I should do a chronicle. Problem is that there's actually not as many different lengths as you'd think. It just seemed like he spouted the lush overnight.
Really?
Because I was too distracted by how fast Aang's gleamin' GOD DOME fuzzed up to notice Zuko's head exploding into outstanding bushy lordom locks to notice :zaru

[Jove]

Really?
Because I was too distracted by how fast Aang's gleamin' GOD DOME fuzzed up to notice Zuko's head exploding into outstanding bushy lordom locks to notice :zaru

Yet another character similarity. T'is THE character parallel. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/joviansatellite/MelonLordCookieMonster.png

[Kaenboshi]

Or hairbending.

[Nizuma Eiji]

Actually, it was supposed to be taken as humorous.


Although I should do a chronicle. Problem is that there's actually not as many different lengths as you'd think. It just seemed like he spouted the lush overnight.

Me be slow, so humor no hit.

[Dragonus Nesha]

Top 5 Hair Lengths For Zuko

5. Book 1's Topknot

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep13/ep13-62.png
The design that everyone fell in love with. And by "everyone," I mean "everyone who will advertise the show for it's entirety, no matter what he looks like." The topknot is bourgeois. :pek

4. The Cave of Two Lovers' Fuzz

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep22/ep22-55.png
Not really interesting in retrospect, but it was fascinating to discover that Zuko's hair was going to grow. It was assumed reason would prevail... in the end, a mandate from DiMartino was needed.

3. The Avatar and the Fire Lord's Bruce Lee

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep46/ep46-638.png
The zenith of absurd hirsute Zuko.

2. Crossroads of Destiny's Sensible Length

http://dvdscreenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/220/130.jpg
Happily splitting the difference between the model coif of Zuko Alone and the outlandish Book 3 shaggy dog.

1. 9 Year Old Zuko's Full Growth Topknot

http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep27/ep27-94.png
How Zuko looked before Ursa's disappearance upended his world, and, not coincidentally, the style he wears as the Fire Lord.
http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep61/ep61-1201.png
Why was Haru's mustache of power not listed? :pek :pek

[ReikaiDemon]

Why was Haru's mustache of power not listed? :pek :pek
He stepped out of the running, because he's a fair man.

[Jove]

Why was Haru's mustache of power not listed? :pek :pek

So you think that Haru's mustache was one of Zuko's 5 best hair lengths?

The mustache was bollocks. Bryke should find themselves in a restaurant full of Zutarians for that one. :notrust

[ReikaiDemon]

I wanna see Gundam Zuko on the list, but robots don't have hair....
._.

[Jove]

I wanna see Gundam Zuko on the list, but robots don't have hair....
._.

Are you guys trying to goad me into a "Best Hair in Avatar" topic? I could probably do a generous top 15 for that one. No, top 20.


This is also a bit belated, but I disagree with Mider about Katara. I liked her better in her Book 1 Water Tribe robe. It just seemed innately... Katara.

[Dragonus Nesha]

So you think that Haru's mustache was one of Zuko's 5 best hair lengths?Must I emphasize? It's a mustache of power.
It can be anything it wants, including but not limited to favorite animal, favorite female, and favorite Pai Shō piece. :pek


You must obey the mustache. :swtf

[Jove]

Must I emphasize? It's a mustache of power.
It can be anything it wants, including but not limited to favorite animal, favorite female, and favorite Pai Shō piece. :pek


You must obey the mustache. :swtf

No no no, it can only be ONE thing:


BOLLOCKS

Although sometimes, it is BALDERDASH.

It usually takes the physical form of FUCKING NONSENSE.

I'll gladly lead a legion of Zutarians to Bryke's house, just to get revenge for that damn thing making it's way to air. Where's the intrusive Nickelodeon presence?! Took the day off?!

That's a proper smiley. The mustache is the sharingan: overhyped by idiots and attached to useless fodder. colon-PEK!!!

[hcheng02]

I have a question. Did they ever say what happened to the Earth Kingdom's King. You know, the guy with the bear?

[Silvermyst]

I have a question. Did they ever say what happened to the Earth Kingdom's King. You know, the guy with the bear?

He set out on a grand adventure.

[Noah]

He set out on a grand adventure.

And Bosco, being the only bear on the planet, was regarded as a god and the Earth King then found himself living the lavish lifestyle he had abandoned for adventure once again. Knowing that Bosco would never let him leave the new palace, the Earth King lived the rest of his days in disappointed content.

[Jove]

Once again:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/joviansatellite/ThreadResus.png

I have a question. Did they ever say what happened to the Earth Kingdom's King. You know, the guy with the bear?

Well, it depends on how much you know.

The 2nd Nick Magazine depicts why he left with Basco before The Awakening. Sokka and Keui, the Earth King, try to teach Bosco how to be a bear in the wild, but Bosco has been so sheltered that he fails at everything they try. Kuei realizes that he's the same, so they go off together. On an adventure. Possibly grand.

Nothing else past that. Not in the show, and nothing from Mike and Bryan yet. Most likely, they just return to Ba Sing Se, and Kuei rules the city in a manner more accessible than his predecessors.

Keep in mind, Bosco almost certainly ate Longshot and Smellerbee

[Nizuma Eiji]

Who's to say The King didn't eat Basco? I mean they were dumped off in the wild with nothing. I don't see the man stealing anything, & they was broke.

[Mider T]

Maybe Bosco met Hawky?

:awesome

[Jove]

Maybe Bosco met Hawky?

:awesome

Then there's either no more Bosco or Bosco is a real fucking bear now. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/joviansatellite/MelonLordCookieMonster.png

[Mider T]

BoscoxHawky

I can see it now, two animals in love, torn apart by the laws of nature. Not even their respective nations or physiology can keep them apart.

[Nizuma Eiji]

^Lol wtf? Animal pairings now.

[Mider T]

Animal pairings forever:pek

[Jove]

I'm totally shipping Katara-Lion Turtle Let's see how much of a woman she really is. :pek

[Nizuma Eiji]

She'd have to be a helluva woman to be with the lion turtle. I mean the thing's package has to be as big as an airplane.

[Mider T]

Cross species relationships are even more interesting the interspecies ones.

Especially with hybrid animals:LOS

[Jove]

She'd have to be a helluva woman to be with the lion turtle. I mean the thing's package has to be as big as an airplane.

Katara's the alpha female. They'll just Book 3 it and give her the sudden power-up. At that point: turn on the landing lights.

[Mider T]

lol "Book 3 it"

[Jove]

I guess this is the right time to drop these, some unique Katara cosplay from DA:

http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs31/i/2008/214/f/0/kataras_gaze_of_lust_by_waterbender196.jpg

http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs30/i/2008/047/5/e/katara_by_waterbender196.jpg

[Mider T]

Wow...I wonder how old that chick was:P

Still that's the best I've seen in awhile.

[Nizuma Eiji]

I guess this is the right time to drop these, some unique Katara cosplay from DA:

http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs31/i/2008/214/f/0/kataras_gaze_of_lust_by_waterbender196.jpg

http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs30/i/2008/047/5/e/katara_by_waterbender196.jpg

I just nutted.

[Jove]

Wow...I wonder how old that chick was:P

Still that's the best I've seen in awhile.

Oh yes, the first question that popped into my mind, of course. According to her DA page, the first picture were taken on June 7 and the second one was uploaded in February. She says she's 20, so that's how old she must be in the first pic and she's probably 19 in the second.

[Noah]

Boo! Hot girl isn't eskimo at all!

[Mider T]

Neither is Katara, they're South Pole people.

[ReikaiDemon]

Once again:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/joviansatellite/ThreadResus.png



Well, it depends on how much you know.

The 2nd Nick Magazine depicts why he left with Basco before The Awakening. Sokka and Keui, the Earth King, try to teach Bosco how to be a bear in the wild, but Bosco has been so sheltered that he fails at everything they try. Kuei realizes that he's the same, so they go off together. On an adventure. Possibly grand.

Nothing else past that. Not in the show, and nothing from Mike and Bryan yet. Most likely, they just return to Ba Sing Se, and Kuei rules the city in a manner more accessible than his predecessors.

Keep in mind, Bosco almost certainly ate Longshot and SmellerbeeHmmm, Bosco and Kuei....I smell pokemon....

Maybe Bosco met Hawky?

:awesome:sag Omg, Kuei's new flying type Pokemon

I'm totally shipping Katara-Lion Turtle Let's see how much of a woman she really is. :peklmao, maybe it has tentacles XD

Meanwhile, Katara grows a cock, and becomes futa from spirit bending :LOS

[Jove]

Meanwhile, Katara grows a cock, and becomes futa from spirit bending :LOS

I'm willing to riff on this, and we're going to, but the thought of cock-sprouting Katara doesn't make sense until waterbender196 has run it's course through my mind.

And no, that's NOT a euphemism for anything. :kickcan

[Noah]

Neither is Katara, they're South Pole people.

Snow people = eskimo

You can deny this. It's science. :zaru

[Mider T]

Snow people = eskimo

You can deny this. It's science. :zaru

*Denied* :awesome

[Jove]

Snow people = eskimo

You can deny this. It's science. :zaru

Maybe she's Colombian. They're the REAL snow people. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/joviansatellite/MelonLordCookieMonster.png

[Mider T]

:blinditachi

[ReikaiDemon]

Maybe she's Colombian. They're the REAL snow people. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/joviansatellite/MelonLordCookieMonster.png
I'ma gonna have to slap you for that :sag *powders up my hand, smacks your face* :LOS

[Mider T]

It would explain her frequent rebelling against authority:dupe

[ReikaiDemon]

It would explain her frequent rebelling against authority:dupe
And her white suit, and saying stuff like "SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!" in battle :LOS

[Noah]

And her white suit, and saying stuff like "SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!" in battle :LOS


But she didn't start saying that until Toph showed up :zaru

[ReikaiDemon]

But she didn't start saying that until Toph showed up :zaru
And that's when the mad sloppy lesbian sex broke out.
Also, has anyone noticed how pale and powdery Katara's nose is? :LOS Her nose seems to bleed a lot too....

[Jove]

And that's when the mad sloppy lesbian sex broke out.
Also, has anyone noticed how pale and powdery Katara's nose is? :LOS Her nose seems to bleed a lot too....

That all leads to your cocky Katara scenario. Even if she whips one out, she's got nothing flowing through her to get it solid enough for combat.

Well, I think we all know a certain substance you put on the end of that certain something to fix that.

[Taurus Versant]

I see where this conversation is going...http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/joviansatellite/MelonLordCookieMonster.png

[Mider T]

Giggidy giggidy

[Jove]

Giggidy giggidy

I'll counter that with:

guh-guh-guh-guh GUH

Because I've been watching Sifl and Ollie way too much lately.

Bout time you showed, up, Taur. Bring it with some crazy Aussie narcotics made from indigenous spider venom. What else could bring Long Feng that down when he's got a city to run?

[Taurus Versant]

I am so not in the right timeframe for this. What, is it around midnight for you all?

[ReikaiDemon]

I am so not in the right timeframe for this. What, is it around midnight for you all?
Yes, our souls become blacker than the blackest, moonless midnight :sag

[Jove]

Alright, so let's discuss drug habits on Avatar. I'll start:

Aang: Nothing. He's a proper monk.

Zuko: No drugs for him, either. He's the type for stuff.

Katara: Established coke fiend. Always ruining things with inexplicable and selfish behavior. Moodswings. Trying to fight stronger people like Pakku and Azula...

Sokka: Just a cavalcade of stuff. Huxley would blush. Obviously, the hallucinogens account for much of his roll-call. Peyote, move to the front of the line, please.

Toph: Drunkard, leading to her confrontations with Katara. Total drunken conceit at all times. She gets her Goose on with a melon flavor.

Iroh: Tea. Just tea.

Azula: She's just bonkers.

Ty Lee: Ecstasy. Next.

Mai: Another clean one.

Fire Lord Ozai: LSD, but he's well beyond the point of trails and imagining he;s in a field of wheat. He's Jim Morrison in the desert, exploding with delusions of grandeur.

Zhao: Steroids. I'd wager some sort of Clydesdale testosterone.

Jeong Jeong: Hello, morphine.

Long Feng: Quaaludes. Downers. Easiest one to peg, no question.

[Taurus Versant]

I lol'd at Jeong Jeong. :lmao

Also, once I get on my home computer this afternoon, I've come across an awesome TyZula, for those who want a PM :LOS

[Noah]

Ty Lee: Ecstasy. Next.

Wait. I didn't know Ecstasy makes you see/feel/taste things in only colors. Unless by "pink" she means, super awesome and sexy. :awesome

And I'll take one of them TyZula's. If it's too much to post in the thread, then I suppose I need to see it.

(TyZula scat pronz ftw)

[Kaenboshi]

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4404/repspreadav5.png

Also, TyZula... *foams* Send me one of those pms.

[jiinx]

this whole threead switched. lmao0. well im dyin to take sum ex.! and fight an uchiha. id so pwn.!! like naruto will.!!

[Hellion]

what have you guys turned this thread into :uwah

[Jove]

what have you guys turned this thread into :uwah

:LOS

We're going through another phase. Serious discussion will return soon, but for now...

who's doing what?

[Nizuma Eiji]

What I did was better. I got 2 or 3 pages deleted from the thread when I turned this into the Avatar hentai thread.

[Hellion]

Okay now I don't feel bad for the avatar hentai I have since I know people here have it :LOS

[ReikaiDemon]

Alright, so let's discuss drug habits on Avatar. I'll start:

Aang: Nothing. He's a proper monk.

Zuko: No drugs for him, either. He's the type for stuff.

Katara: Established coke fiend. Always ruining things with inexplicable and selfish behavior. Moodswings. Trying to fight stronger people like Pakku and Azula...

Sokka: Just a cavalcade of stuff. Huxley would blush. Obviously, the hallucinogens account for much of his roll-call. Peyote, move to the front of the line, please.

Toph: Drunkard, leading to her confrontations with Katara. Total drunken conceit at all times. She gets her Goose on with a melon flavor.

Iroh: Tea. Just tea.

Azula: She's just bonkers.

Ty Lee: Ecstasy. Next.

Mai: Another clean one.

Fire Lord Ozai: LSD, but he's well beyond the point of trails and imagining he;s in a field of wheat. He's Jim Morrison in the desert, exploding with delusions of grandeur.

Zhao: Steroids. I'd wager some sort of Clydesdale testosterone.

Jeong Jeong: Hello, morphine.

Long Feng: Quaaludes. Downers. Easiest one to peg, no question.
o/~ Hiiiiiigh oooooon liiiiife! Yeah! Hiiiiiigh ooooon liiiiife! o/~
A little addendum to Sokka however, he's definitely an alcoholic, mmmmmm, cactus joooooooice, and for some reason,
Albert Hofmann=Ozai XD

Though, for Azula, even standing in her general presence will make you higher than the entire history of rock and roll.

Yep, right after they dry her out, and grind her into a fine powder, even a few micrograms of her will make you OD :sag

[Jove]

I'd also like to say that the baby from "Return to Omashu" will play the role of the creepy fucking kid from Trainspotting.

[Jove]

:notrust

Avatar Thread State, yip yip.

More necromancy from me. This should be a good one, actually:

Flash Topic:

FAVORITE LOCATIONS IN AVATAR

5. Piandao's Mansion, Shu Jing
The epitome of the White Lotus Society's philosophic and cultural ideal. Situated around breathtaking scenery, and devoted entirely to rumination and artistry.

4. The Swamp
Surreal and creepy, the Swamp was one of the stranger locations visited by the Gaang, containing not merely unorthodox wildlife, but an entire breed of benders unknown outside the Swamp (and Wan Sh Tong's Library). I thoroughly enjoyed it; I liked the deep color scheme. And, of course, we meet Toph there.

3. Omashu
What a design! The upward, conical structure was put to good use. The mail chute delivery system made the city seem relentlessly busy. A frenetic city, of course, maintained by a complete lunatic, which only adds to the appeal. Both trips to Omashu were silly but amusing. But seriously, Omashu is all about the design.

2. The Northern Water Tribe
We did wait an entire goddamned Book to get there, but it did not disappoint. It's placid, shimmering pulchritude was evident from the beginning. Not merely that, the singularity of the land is pronounced without even taking into account the Spirit Oasis, which itself is one of the best locations in Avatar.

1. Ba Sing Se
Samuel Johnson once said that, "when a man is tired of London, he is tired of life; for there is in London all that life can afford." He also kicked a rock to prove a philosophical point.

But in this case, he was right, because for all the disdainful, Orwellian practices in the city, it was a city alive. It was a character itself.

[Ryuk]

Water Nation is the best .

[Jove]

Water Nation is the best .

That's a diplomatic answer; which Tribe?

[Taurus Versant]

Well the Southern Water Tribe have epic (Sokka) and awesome benders (Katara, Hana, etc)

But the Northern tribe have style.

Really, comparing them is like comparing those two tribes from The Great Divide :LOS:LOS:LOS

[Genesis]

I have finally finished Avatar.

The first time I truly mean epic when I say it. Epic series, epic ending.

I remember when my Tupac and Scarface obsessed friend recommended this to me. Having never watched any "anime" after DBZ when I was a kid, and this recommendation coming from him of all people made me honestly go, "Wtf?!"

I didn't believe he watched cartoons, and I couldn't remember the last time I had watched them.

But I knew he had taste. He loved Batman Begins and Scarface. His pitch was pretty cool; "It's about benders who can bend elements. It has this kid who is over 100 years old and he's the Avatar! He can bend all elements. The world is at war and he has to bring it back together. The guy goes into this Avatar state and can do all sorts of cool shit. It's proper funny too."

Something like that anyways.

It had me sold.

I watched the first episode. Then the second. Then the third, and it had me hooked. It had cultural references, great music, martial arts, nice animation and an interesting, funny story with likeable characters.

I watched the 1st season then had to wait as it was still being developed.

This actually got me interested in anime.

Now years later, I've finally finished it.

It's beyond awesome. I'm surprised Nick made this kind of show. I only remembered them for Kenan and Kel from the good old days.

It goes DBZ/Avatar as my favourite "anime" shows and then everything else comes after.

My only disappointment is that the original "Agni Kai" theme wasn't used more. It was badass. That's it. The only disappointment.

The ending was perfect. Aang didn't compromise, no one got a sudden redemption to the good side, and he took away the man's Firebending. That was like rape to the Firelord. Rape. In an Avatar way, he took his manhood from him. A lot of the characters, basically all of the main cast, in the show were excellent, and there was some real laugh out loud moments.

This is how you end a great show though, it had style and closure.

[Mider T]

^Real talk.

@Jove: Swampbenders = winbenders

[Jove]

Magnanimously awesome post, Gen.

My only disappointment is that the original "Agni Kai" theme wasn't used more. It was badass. That's it. The only disappointment..

That's true. They did stop using that after the first few episodes. I would be willing to say it's the most popular leitmotif amongst the fandom.


And Mider... t'is true. Though they are just Foggy Swamp denizens, not Water Tribe. :edu

[Noah]

The ending was perfect. Aang didn't compromise, no one got a sudden redemption to the good side, and he took away the man's Firebending. That was like rape to the Firelord. Rape. In an Avatar way, he took his manhood from him.

You know what? Yes, that's exactly it. If anyone ever tries to bring up the "he didn't kill Ozai!" argument again, we finally have a response that should satisfy their blood lust. The argument that he kept his character and integrity by following his path never worked in those debates.

Thanks, Gen. I can't believe none of us ever put it on par with rape, but now there is a response that the "should have killed him!" camp should be able to understand. And that's exactly what it was to Ozai; rape.

[Genesis]

I liked it, I never saw it coming.

I was worried there would be some kind of redemption, but this method was best, far better than killing Ozai. The man was extremely proud of who he was, his ability, and his supposed destiny to bring the Fire Nation as the dominant faction above all else. His power and pride centred around his abilities as a tremendous Firebender. This was his strength and what drove him to be able to do what he did.

Then Aang goes and takes this all away from him. He's rendered helpless. Now, he has to sit in jail whilst knowing that the person he considered "filth" is ruling in his place and changing everything from how he envisioned. And he cannot do anything at all about it.

What happened to Ozai at the hands of Aang was indeed rape, but what is happening subsequently and the combination of this all is beyond just that.

Plus, Aang never compromised his character and his own integrity which is only added sweetener on top. He did things his own way, thereby standing out from the previous Avatars.

"You are weak."

Damn, those words from Ozai sound so funny now.

Rape, it's a surprise. We all never saw it coming. Ozai's fate, so sad. Oh so sad.

I bet he wishes he was dead now.

[Mider T]

So Genesis, if the story continued, which direction would you like it to go in?

[Jove]

You know what? Yes, that's exactly it. If anyone ever tries to bring up the "he didn't kill Ozai!" argument again, we finally have a response that should satisfy their blood lust. The argument that he kept his character and integrity by following his path never worked in those debates.

Thanks, Gen. I can't believe none of us ever put it on par with rape, but now there is a response that the "should have killed him!" camp should be able to understand. And that's exactly what it was to Ozai; rape.

Without Zutara, nothing is going to get through. That's the real issue.

[Taurus Versant]

Genesis has actually brought this thread up quite a few notches with that post. Seriously.

~~~

On a less serious note, I've found Hawkey in a video game. :zaru

No, don't be doubting. Final Fantasy X-2. One of the characters Beasttamer class lets them use a hawk. It's main skill is picking up enemies and carrying them off the battlefield, removing them from battle.

I'm talking opponents that can get over a hundred times its size and weight.

Pwnbird. :zaru

[Kaenboshi]

^ So THAT's why they wrote out Hawky.

I don't even have the words to describe how awesome Genesis is for that post.

[Superstarseven]

Without Zutara, nothing is going to get through. That's the real issue.

In a moment of complete immaturity I've seen one Zutarian fan's sig use the inequality symbol to compare Mike and Bryan to Savin Yeatman-Eiffel. I'd be surprised If you recognize this frenchman's name. He created a series called Oban Star Racers which is a joint French/Japanese effort that airs in the U.S. on Toon Disney. Not even sure why she even considered naming this show and it's creator as superior to Avatar and Mike and Bryan.

Mind you the show does look good visually, see for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia80xv8wS94

It's not rubbish like Martin Mystery or Totally Spies.

Oh and then there was the ever so sophisticated quote
I love the Avatar!
...of Oban Star Racers

Yes apparently a character called the Avatar plays a huge role in that show.
Avatar: The Last Airbender though has already left it's legacy, that other show means nothing in the long scheme of things. It's just so sad that she would write that in obvious spite as if Mike and/or Bryan would care.

[Jove]

That's actually surprisingly less petty than I've come to expect.


A reminder for everyone:

THE BOOK 3 COLLECTION COMES OUT TUESDAY

http://www.tvshowsondvd.net/graphics/news3/Airbender-CompleteBook3.jpg

Don't be a miscreant. Buy it.

And now that it's released, I'll be preparing a miniature Rewatch.

[Mider T]

Oh man I can't believe I almost forgot! Will it include commentary and bonus scenes? Can't wait to see the scrapped artwork.

[Superstarseven]

The status of the arrival of my Book 3 season set according to the US postal service is:


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