Nickelodean's "Avatar: The Last Airbender" Discusion

[Taurus Versant]

avatar is awesome:awesome

Cleaned. :zaru

[UB3R]

:huh i never said that :huh

[UB3R]

avatar sucks :amuse

O what now

[Ciupy]

:huh i never said that :huh

That's what your puny brain wanted to say,but couldn't due to low capacity..:zaru

[Nexas]

:huh i never said that :huh

No, buts its the truth.

[Dimezanime88]

Lol, oh Crazy Loop, you foolish and funny noob.

[Gunners]

Alas yet another who basically hates on the show for being produced by Americans, if it was in Japan you would lap it up.

Avatar is what it is, it doesn't try to be anything.

[Sylar]

I remember reading somewhere that Zuko was a Sasuke ripoff with less character. :lmao

[Taurus Versant]

Silly noobs don't know awesome when they see it.

[Ciupy]

I remember reading somewhere that Zuko was a Sasuke ripoff with less character. :lmao

Bahahaha..:rotfl

Sasuke doesn't have even an ounce of the passion and spirit that Zuko has..:rotfl

And I never thought that Sasuke is the first "angsty royal bishie with a tragic past and revenge/or goal to fulfill"..read more,see more people..:lmao

[Dimezanime88]

I remember reading somewhere that Zuko was a Sasuke ripoff with less character. :lmao

That was basic "knowledge" when it came to the first episodes of Avatar. Hell, even I was making such comparisons.

[Taurus Versant]

The thing is, Avatar is a genuinely well made western cartoon. People believe that's an extinct species. Well it ain't.

[UB3R]

they try to make everything sound and look oriental can u explain that?

[Silvermyst]

Jetpack Azula = win, yes?

Yeah, that was pretty sweet. I was like "Oh fuck she flies now." :nuts


Seriously, I'm glad at how this episode turned out. I was hearing all this shit on how Sohka or Appa had died in 3.15 and I was like ":arg". Thank God I was disappointed.

[Ciupy]

they try to make everything sound and look oriental can u explain that?

It's exotic..where would you place the action hmm?

To make it interesting?

In the wild West?
In England as a group of magic using kids?

They had a theme,and they used it.

Do you not think that Japan does the same when it comes to anime/manga,borrowing Occidental culture and myths to create a more exotic setting?

[Taurus Versant]

Yeah, that was pretty sweet. I was like "Oh fuck she flies now." :nuts


Seriously, I'm glad at how this episode turned out. I was hearing all this shit on how Sohka or Appa had died in 3.15 and I was like ":arg". Thank God I was disappointed.

Sokka's too awesome for death.

[Silvermyst]

Sokka's too awesome for death.

Exactly. I knew I smelled BS. :notrust

[Gunners]

I remember reading somewhere that Zuko was a Sasuke ripoff with less character.

lol, I actually like Zuko but yeah people make weird comparisons beleive it or not it actually extended to Katara being like Sakura and Aang like Naruto. Even at face value they are not similar.

[UB3R]

It's exotic..where would you place the action hmm?

To make it interesting?

In the wild West?
In England as a group of magic using kids?

They had a theme,and they used it.

Do you not think that Japan does the same when it comes to anime/manga,borrowing Occidental culture and myths to create a more exotic setting?

well wich animes use ameracan stuff?

[Nexas]

now that i think about it im really pissed off at these episodes they pretty much confirmed that mai and zuko will get back together which i hate!!! I mean if Zutara cant happen i can live wit it but atleast give him a better girl than fucking mai i mean i hate her atleast let him be with jin or ty lee instead of that weird emo girl :(

Eh I doubt it. He didn't seem all that depressed about leaving her there to Azula.

[Ciupy]

well wich animes use ameracan stuff?

Not American,but Occidental..the West doesn't include only America..


Trigun..SF themes set in a future Wild-West setting.

Berserk,medieval world truly reminescent of Middle Ages Europe.

Heck..even Speed Racer which was inspired by the American craving for car racing.

Golgo 13..definetly inspired by James Bond..the author himself said so.

[Gunners]

well wich animes use ameracan stuff?
You know animes emulated cartoons right?

Anyway ignoring the fact that Animes were inspired by disney cartoons. If they didn't use American things that isn't something supporting your point, using other settings outside of your own shows you have widened your mind so using settings that only relates to you in all cases would show close mindedness.

[C_Akutabi]

Not to mention the pioneers of anime back in the day readily admit how Western animation influenced them. What's wrong with things coming full circle?

[kewlmyc]

well wich animes use ameracan stuff?

Cowboy Bebop?

[UB3R]

o..........................................

[Nexas]

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4923/stupidsexysukieb3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I can dream can't I?

[Hana]

well wich animes use ameracan stuff?


First of all it is spelled "which" and "American" :notrust.

Animes that use "American Themes" (small list)

Chrono Crusade - The story is set in 1920's New York and most of the characters are American or European.
Kaleido Star - Set in a fictional US town, and was about a Japanese girl joining the circus.
Gunsmith Cats is set in Chicago and it apparently is Chicago.
Read or Die - has quite a number of scenes set in Pennsylvania.
Petshop of Horrors takes place in San Fransisco's Chinatown.

Just food for thought.


Back to the awesome of Avatar.

[Dimezanime88]

[rant]
First of all it is spelled "which" and "American" :notrust.

Animes that use "American Themes" (small list)

Ahem, well first of all there's no such thing as the word 'animes'.:quite

[Hana]

Ahem, well first of all there's no such thing as the word 'animes'.:quite

:zaru You get a +rep for my mistake.

I decided to re-watch TBR again and I really like the look of Mai's uncle. He looks like a gorgeous woman trapped in an ugly man's body! Kind of an interesting combination. Mai is supposed to be a beauty, so maybe he has some of those genes, but they don't transfer as well to him.:sag

I have a weird admiration for Mai's uncle (even though he was dislikable with Hakkoda): he was willing to sacrifice himself for his honor. Sacrifice seems to run in the family. I hope he will free Mai and Ty Lee. After all, his record being broken, what does it matter? Maybe Azula miscalculated again, if she thinks he won't let his niece and friend out because once upon a time he would rather die than let anyone escape.

Probably not.:notrust

[kakoishii]

aww man I missed my chance to feed the noob :ano but I see you guys put him in his place. Really now, some Japanophiles just don't realize that american shows can be as good as japanese anime can be crappy.

[Taurus Versant]

:zaru You get a +rep for my mistake.

I decided to re-watch TBR again and I really like the look of Mai's uncle. He looks like a gorgeous woman trapped in an ugly man's body! Kind of an interesting combination. Mai is supposed to be a beauty, so maybe he has some of those genes, but they don't transfer as well to him.:sag

I have a weird admiration for Mai's uncle (even though he was dislikable with Hakkoda): he was willing to sacrifice himself for his honor. Sacrifice seems to run in the family. I hope he will free Mai and Ty Lee. After all, his record being broken, what does it matter? Maybe Azula miscalculated again, if she thinks he won't let his niece and friend out because once upon a time he would rather die than let anyone escape.

Probably not.:notrust
Yeah, I was really impressed with the fact that he ordered the line to be cut as well.

[Nexas]

Yeah, I was really impressed with the fact that he ordered the line to be cut as well.

I figured he was gonna do it when they threw him on the gondola. He did say that he'd rather jump in the lake himself than let someone escape. He had alot bigger balls than the first prison warden from Book 1.

[Noah]

Well. That settles it. My next potential series to try and hock is going to be based on the Mayans and Aztecs. That way when the kids are all "lol, Amerime!", I can smack them in the face with characters named shit like Choitxotuxtl and Koxbaxiltaxtl and Tlxtlxxtl. :awesome

Seriously, I just had that argument with a friend about Avatar last week. She was in the "ripping off anime" camp, and couldn't seem to understand why the art style and source of a theme shouldn't really matter. The only real flaw that Avatar has is that it's stuck with Nickelodeon, a network who is completely willing to sacrifice a successful project if its popularity is found to be in an age bracket outside what their desired bracket is.

[C_Akutabi]

Well. That settles it. My next potential series to try and hock is going to be based on the Mayans and Aztecs. That way when the kids are all "lol, Amerime!", I can smack them in the face with characters named shit like Choitxotuxtl and Koxbaxiltaxtl and Tlxtlxxtl. :awesome

You know, it'd be great to have a series like that actually. Either a manga or a good cartoon.

[Seto Kaiba]

Well. That settles it. My next potential series to try and hock is going to be based on the Mayans and Aztecs. That way when the kids are all "lol, Amerime!", I can smack them in the face with characters named shit like Choitxotuxtl and Koxbaxiltaxtl and Tlxtlxxtl. :awesome

Seriously, I just had that argument with a friend about Avatar last week. She was in the "ripping off anime" camp, and couldn't seem to understand why the art style and source of a theme shouldn't really matter. The only real flaw that Avatar has is that it's stuck with Nickelodeon, a network who is completely willing to sacrifice a successful project if its popularity is found to be in an age bracket outside what their desired bracket is.

Will there be depictions of ritualistic human sacrifice to the gods in hopes of good fortune?

This thread seems to get the typical Japanophile every so often. I remember earlier this year I believe some dude was deriding Avatar for not being Japanese. Then he goes around and stupidly says he'd be interested in it if it were a Japanese produced series; the only difference being the country of origin, and not the story itself.

I remember hearing quite a few times of Avatar being a Naruto rip-off. Some of the stupidest reasonings too. You could tell based on their stupid reasonings that alot weren't familiar with typical tropes of anime/manga, or storytelling in general.

Also what many seem to not know is that Avatar is animated in Korea, and its influence is a mix of eastern nations in general, not just Japan.

[Piekage]

Well. That settles it. My next potential series to try and hock is going to be based on the Mayans and Aztecs. That way when the kids are all "lol, Amerime!", I can smack them in the face with characters named shit like Choitxotuxtl and Koxbaxiltaxtl and Tlxtlxxtl. :awesome

That sounds really interesting.

Seriously, I just had that argument with a friend about Avatar last week. She was in the "ripping off anime" camp, and couldn't seem to understand why the art style and source of a theme shouldn't really matter. The only real flaw that Avatar has is that it's stuck with Nickelodeon, a network who is completely willing to sacrifice a successful project if its popularity is found to be in an age bracket outside what their desired bracket is.

I know a few people like that, completely ignoring the fact that a lot of anime they like, like Cowboy Bebop and Trigun, are influenced by the west. I bring that up and they start stuttering like morons. Why should a program be limited by a specific region? Sharing ideas and inspiration is a good thing.

[Nizuma Eiji]

Oh i wish the japanophile would come back. He needs to be sonned some more. But i gotta admit i loved how he was left pretty much speechless by the lists of well respected anime that were influenced by the West. He only needs to peep the epicness of Season 2 & 3, then he'll be a big ass fan like the rest of us.

[Seto Kaiba]

Nippon Ichi! Japan #1!

[Noah]

Will there be depictions of ritualistic human sacrifice to the gods in hopes of good fortune?

If I can figure out a way to keep it suitable for the kiddies, then shits yeah there will be. :awesome

This thread seems to get the typical Japanophile every so often. I remember earlier this year I believe some dude was deriding Avatar for not being Japanese. Then he goes around and stupidly says he'd be interested in it if it were a Japanese produced series; the only difference being the country of origin, and not the story itself.

I think that was DD. The guy can make some pretty pictures and I love him for it, but goddamn if I don't want to sackpunt him when he gets in that mode.

[kakoishii]

The only real flaw that Avatar has is that it's stuck with Nickelodeon, a network who is completely willing to sacrifice a successful project if its popularity is found to be in an age bracket outside what their desired bracket is.

I'd agree with you whole heartedly except that it isn't true. Although it's no secret that avatar is very popular amongst us older people, if it were completely true that the 8-11 age bracket was "uninterested" with avatar, then tell me why would it win in the best cartoon category at this past Nick Choice awards? I may love avatar, but I don't like Nickelodeon as a channel and it must have been about 10 years since I last watched the Nick choice awards and even longer since I even cared about voting for any of the categories and I trust many of the older viewers are of the same position. That means only one thing, kids voted for Avatar as their favorite cartoon, thus kids must really like the show, but I guess the fact that it won means nothing to nick, but honestly it beat out spongebob, SPONGEBOB, nick's proverbial bread winner as well as the cartoon that's had that category for the nick choice awards locked for several years. This must mean something wouldn't you say :wink

[Taurus Versant]

I can't shake the feeling that Spongebob encourages idiocy.

[Amuro-ro-ro]

Aww with all of the new pages this thread got I was hoping for another episode :(

Lol @ Japanophiles and delusional ppl who don't understand Mai and Zuko's relationship. It's a sad thing that shipping prevents one from seeing logically.

[secret_toad]

Are new episodes also going to come out this coming friday or are we going to be forced to wait?

[Amuro-ro-ro]

^ Forced to wait until July methinks :(

It sucks because I'm going through an avatar withdrawl and don't want to rewatch the episodes all over again until I git my box sets.

[Gamble]

^ Forced to wait until July methinks :(


I thought the DVD release was next month? Or did I miss something.

[Amuro-ro-ro]

I thought the DVD release was next month? Or did I miss something.

Not counting the DVD release with the boiling rock parts 1 and 2.

[Vault]

I remember reading somewhere that Zuko was a Sasuke ripoff with less character. :lmao

lol thats the biggest bullshit i have heard in awhile now how can you compare zuko with sauce gay :sun

zuko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sauce nuff said :vegetant

avatar is some kids show that wants to make it look like anime so little kids will like

n00b GTFO :sun


man zuko is just awesome :gar every episode he gets better and better :zaru but azula :omg she is jetfueled now :lmao and i thought she was broken already

[St. Jimmy]

TYZULA IS STILL CANON

[Canute87]

I just saw episode 315 not too longt ago.

Damn is there any hope for Sokka and Toph :cry

[Vault]

lol never sokka and toph :rofl

[Mider T]

^ :pek

I wouldn't be surprised if the last episode revealed that the whole series was Aang's delusion and Sokka's the real avatar. Sokka was made to look badly on the show by having no bending and being beat up but his Badass Normal status still shone through in the end. That's how :gar he is. Aang was jealous of him the whole time.

[Silvermyst]

Lol @ Japanophiles and delusional ppl who don't understand Mai and Zuko's relationship. It's a sad thing that shipping prevents one from seeing logically.

I know, right?

I just saw episode 315 not too longt ago.

Damn is there any hope for Sokka and Toph :cry

Sokka and Toph? Isn't he like 4 years older than her?

[Mider T]

Age is nothing but a number:LOS

Just look at Iroh and Jun.

[Amuro-ro-ro]

Toph having a crush on Sokka doesn't mean he'll start liking her back especially when he already has a gf.

Plus, a 12-13 year old with a 15-16 year old is gross.

[Mider T]

Meh, people grow up, so I don't see how its gross. He's been around Toph for a longer period of time, I think she's gonna move onto Haru.

[Banhammer]

Japanophiles be h8'ng on Avatar, because they feel like what Flash felt when superman prooved to be faster than him, and they are just really pissed because they went with the Chinese culture rather than the japanese.
Truth of the matter is, that all my chinese and kung fu artist friends (and nedlessly to mention, me too) are hopelessly in love with Avatar, and the way it honors the culture while keeping clean and easy to follow characters.
It's not an anime rip-off, it was never ment to be anything close to anime, it was always a cartoon about a chinese themed story.
Chinese being the key word that japanophiles can't stand, because it means they are not that special :zaru

[Amuro-ro-ro]

Meh, people grow up, so I don't see how its gross. He's been around Toph for a longer period of time, I think she's gonna move onto Haru.

We're not talking about when the kids are grown up though. :oh The only relationships that are happening are the ones that have been developed from the beginning.

Japanophiles be h8'ng on Avatar, because they feel like what Flash felt when superman prooved to be faster than him, and they are just really pissed because they went with the Chinese culture rather than the japanese.
Truth of the matter is, that all my chinese and kung fu artist friends (and nedlessly to mention, me too) are hopelessly in love with Avatar, and the way it honors the culture while keeping clean and easy to follow characters.
It's not an anime rip-off, it was never ment to be anything close to anime, it was always a cartoon about a chinese themed story.
Chinese being the key word that japanophiles can't stand, because it means they are not that special

The creators are anime fans though and they were inspired by animes like Cowboy Bebop and the like I think.

In any case it's still awesome like you explained above :zaru

[Canute87]

I know, right?



Sokka and Toph? Isn't he like 4 years older than her?


Look on rukia and ichigo. What's your point?
Toph will get older Dontcha know

[Nexas]

Look on rukia and ichigo. What's your point?
Toph will get older Dontcha know

Yes, but Toph being older in the future, doesn't change the fact that she is prepubescent right now.

[Seto Kaiba]

I can't shake the feeling that Spongebob encourages idiocy.

Spongebob needs to die. It's going the way of the Rugrats...

[Nexas]

Spongebob needs to die. It's going the way of the Rugrats...

That can't be true. Rugrats was actually entertaining at one point in time.

[Noah]

lol, shippers. srsly.

Sokka just rescued his girl from the Fire Nation's highest security prison. Unless Suki is just a royal bitch, the delusions of SokkaxToph should be gone forever. Same for ZukoxMai. She just put herself in jail to help him. In the real world, he'd move on to someone else, but this is a kid's show with morals and whatnot. :awesome

And KataraxAang has been telegraphed ever since he was capping volcanoes in book one. Anyone who tries to argue that is just silly.

But on another note, try to imagine this: If Sokka had taken the other three with him (or even just one of the girls), how ridiculously easy would that jailbreak have been?

[Canute87]

so what, toph will end up with the kid in the wheel chair?

[Sylar]

Shipping?

Kill it with fire. :pek

[Ciupy]

so what, toph will end up with the kid in the wheel chair?

Why does Toph need to end with somebody in the first place? :huh

[Mider T]

^Because everybody needs somebody sometimes:awesome Seriously though, I don't think the creators would keep reitterating Toph's crush if nothing would come from it. She's too likeable to picked on like that

So Zell, what do you call Mai's relationship with Zuko? Was that "developed from the beginning"?

[Jove]

Why does Toph need to end with somebody in the first place? :huh

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! According to the ATLA fandom, EVERYONE ends up with somebody. Foaming mouth guy, Cabbage merchant, old sweepy, the pirates... EVERYONE.

[Princess Mahi]

grr I still hate waiting for July! ANd on the note of Toph, she doesn't have to end up with anyone. Isn't she the youngest of the gAAng? besides, Sokka really likes SUki.

[Silvermyst]

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! According to the ATLA fandom, EVERYONE ends up with somebody. Foaming mouth guy, Cabbage merchant, old sweepy, the pirates... EVERYONE.

Cabbage ManxCabbage is canon :pek.

Lol, shipping. As long as the story's good, I don't really give a damn who gets with who. Or if they do at all.


EDIT: 1k post :nuts.

[Canute87]

Why does Toph need to end with somebody in the first place? :huh

Because this show is also built upon romance so everyone in that team will be in some sort of relationship.

Aang has Kitara
Zuko has the fie bitch

Sokka and toph are the iffy ones at the moment.

[Princess Mahi]

congragulations on your 1000 post!

[Mider T]

^ well you don't really care that much about the story then do you?

We even got to see Past Avatars companions' with names at that.

[westway50]

Because this show is also built upon romance so everyone in that team will be in some sort of relationship.

Aang has Kitara
Zuko has the fie bitch

Sokka and toph are the iffy ones at the moment.

sokka isnt an iffy one. if suki doesnt turn into a second moon, then i think it will be sokka and suki. but if she does, sokka can get like any girl.

Toph is iffy though

[Princess Mahi]

Toph is a little cloudy right now. Maybe it will change, we will just have to wait.

[Mider T]

There's nothing "cloudy" about her.

[Princess Mahi]

okay then, Toph is clearly showing signs of being undecided.

[Vault]

Why does Toph need to end with somebody in the first place? :huh

my thought exactly :zaru

[Superrazien]

Toph will probably end up with that other earth bender dude, the dude with the stash.

Thats if she ends up with anyone.

[Vault]

lol i nearly forgot about that dude :zaru

[Hana]

Toph will probably end up with that other earth bender dude, the dude with the stash.


:sun Does not want.

I'd rather Toph not be with anybody by the end of the show. Of course she can have her pick of any guy later.:nod I love her crush on Sokka (and would love to see Suki vanish....) but its not going to happen nor would I want it to. I don't think Sokka (or anybody) could recover from two dead girlfriends.

[Silvermyst]

sokka isnt an iffy one. if suki doesnt turn into a second moon, then i think it will be sokka and suki. but if she does, sokka can get like any girl.

Toph is iffy though

Sokka's a pimp. Seriously, he's had potential for, like, four relationships.

Toph will probably end up with that other earth bender dude, the dude with the stash.

Thats if she ends up with anyone.

Haru. :love Though I hate the stash. :yell

[Shaidar Haran]

There's nothing "cloudy" about her.:hehee The eyes say otherwise.

[Mider T]

You mean the beautiful mist that fills her iris'?I don't understand why you guys think Suki has to die for Toph to have a fighting chance of Sokka's heart?Kickass! 2 pages of shipper talk!

[Sylar]

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!

BURN FOR A BURN!!!!

[Noah]

Man. I wanna punch everyone in the face for all of this. It's almost like when Minato's name and relation was revealed. "Jiraiya didn't specifically Naruto when he was talking about him! 100% PROOVED!"

Toph has four options:
1) Sad and alone
2) Haru
3) Gimpy McWheelchair
4) Random upper-class Earth Kingdom guy

Notice that Sokka isn't listed. If Suki falls through, he's moving on to Ty Lee (Tai Li, or whatever the hell he name is). Toph is like, #20 on his list, right below Zuko's Mom. :awesome

EDIT: I'm on Sylar's team now. Shipping is gay. :notrust

[Mider T]

You mean gays don't ship:hehee

I'm a fan of TyLokka as well but I'm more into Tokka. He has a much better chance of getting with Toph than Ty Lee.

[Noah]

You mean gays don't ship:hehee

They surely don't! Promiscuity is where it's at in that world.

EveryonexAnyone. That's the motto. :zaru

[waleedc]

why can toph be gay

[Princess Mahi]

wish it was july....

[Raiden]

Is there a new episode/chapter out?

[Sunuvmann]

What do you mean by Shipping?

But I rather despise all this pairing talk.

Only ones that are canon are Zuko and Mae, Sokka and Suki and Aang loving Katara (how mutual that is remains to be seen). We have gotten no indication otherwise of relationships and reading heavily into OMFG THEY TALKED TO EACH OTHER, ITS TOTALLY MADE TO BE! No fuck that shit, you are being foolish.

Furthermore, I don't see Toph being with anyone who can't match her in skill. As the, and we have seen no evidence to contradict it, greatest earth bender in the world, unless she finds one of equal skill or at least the greatest fire/water bender, I doubt she'd settle for less.

[kamikazi]

Is there a new episode/chapter out?the boiling rock episodes were the last we've gotten

Furthermore, I don't see Toph being with anyone who can't match her in skill. As the, and we have seen no evidence to contradict it, greatest earth bender in the world, unless she finds one of equal skillbumi? :zaru

[Raiden]

the boiling rock episodes were the last we've gotten


Ah, thanks. I just found them.

[The Cheat]

I want 316 to leak soon.

[Vault]

2 episodes are not enough to feed the starvation nick put me through :sun i need more leaks dammit :pek

[The Cheat]

Hope we get lucky.

[Gamble]

What do you mean by Shipping?

But I rather despise all this pairing talk.

Only ones that are canon are Zuko and Mae, Sokka and Suki and Aang loving Katara (how mutual that is remains to be seen). We have gotten no indication otherwise of relationships and reading heavily into OMFG THEY TALKED TO EACH OTHER, ITS TOTALLY MADE TO BE! No fuck that shit, you are being foolish.

Furthermore, I don't see Toph being with anyone who can't match her in skill. As the, and we have seen no evidence to contradict it, greatest earth bender in the world, unless she finds one of equal skill or at least the greatest fire/water bender, I doubt she'd settle for less.

the amount of truth in this post makes my eyes bleed a glorious rage of win.

[Jove]

Can you/anyone else please provide links? Forsome reason, I can't find it.


314 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=46NOD3A7

315 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6TRRY3CT


Two things about the above post:

1. There is no Avatar discussion without shipping discussion. A lot of shipping discussion. Don't fight it, or it will hurt more.

2. Do not discredit Bumi.

[Shaidar Haran]

Well, Toph and Iroh were getting a little chummy over tea that one time, and Iroh went in search of Toph after escaping from Azula.

:yell Tiroph, FTW!!!!!! :yell

[blackssk]

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii266/not_painter/gif/31401.gifhttp://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii266/not_painter/gif/31402.gif

[Vault]

Hope we get lucky.

i hope so too :(

[Kusuriuri]

Iroh is awesome because he drinks tea:quite

[Noah]

Iroph?!
Bumoph?!
Katappa?!
Momaang?!
Ozaibbage?!
Tyzukimaejoophjunokka?!

Personally, I think only the last one is actually canon. :gar

[Gamble]

Momaang?!


WANT. .....

[The Sentry]

I hate Japanophiles

[Kusuriuri]

i think the last episode cemented who Zuko would end up with.

[Vault]

Iroh is awesome because he drinks tea:quite

why indeed lord memos why indeed :quite

[Sylar]

i think the last episode cemented who Zuko would end up with.

NO WAI ZUTARA IS TEH ONLY OTP!!! :argh

But seriously pairing talk = fail. :pek

[Ciupy]

NO WAI ZUTARA IS TEH ONLY OTP!!! :argh

But seriously pairing talk = fail. :pek

Pairing wars are inevitable in all of the anime/manga/books/movies e.t.c.

It's human nature to like the characters and wish for their well being..in this case pairing them up with whom they think would make them happy..

It doesn't have to have any real basis..I mean look at One Piece..no romance at all and still there are a lot of shippers..

Or look at how the ZukoXKatara are rabid in this thread..and to my complete shock everywhere..:oh

There is absolutely no basis for that except /fangirl OMGOSH THEY LOOK SO CUTE TOGETHER>>AND LOOK ZUKO BETRAYED KATARA>>IT MUST BE LOVEEE!!!/fangirl..

Even MomoXAang have a more meaningful relationship than that..

So yeah..a pairing doesn't have to have any other motive except that the said characters just look good together..

And then there are shows who are one part awesome fighting and plot..and second part awesome love triangle..like Macross Frontier!!!:awesome :awesome :awesome

[Canute87]

Sokka's father will end up with Zuko's mother :LOS

[Ciupy]

In all honesty..I have a gut feeling that Zuko and Katara are related in a twisted way..:-(

[Jove]

There is absolutely no basis for that except /fangirl OMGOSH THEY LOOK SO CUTE TOGETHER>>AND LOOK ZUKO BETRAYED KATARA>>IT MUST BE LOVEEE!!!/fangirl..

http://screenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/020/037.jpg

No basis? :hmpf

[Ciupy]

http://screenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/020/037.jpg

No basis? :hmpf

I meant from previous Avatar episodes..that picture is probably right now set up as the whole manifesto of the Zutara's..:rotfl


And I bet that they just found out that they are somehow blood related..:awesome

[Shaidar Haran]

And I bet that they just found out that they are somehow blood related..:awesomeAs in Zuko getting Katara pregnant? :iria

[Ciupy]

As in Zuko getting Katara pregnant? :iria

Riiighttt..:sarc

[Sylar]

http://screenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/020/037.jpg

No basis? :hmpf

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of fangirls suddenly cried out in ectasy and weren't silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

[Ciupy]

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of fangirls suddenly cried out in ectasy and weren't silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

Yes..so that's what the horrible bone-chilling feeling that plagued me lately was..

[Gamble]

It's human nature to like the characters and wish for their well being..in this case pairing them up with whom they think would make them happy..


Oh, I must be the kink of society then, cause like, I don't really care about fictional love lives.

I don't mind people who do, but goddamn if that isn't the only discussion going on in this thread.

[Ciupy]

Oh, I must be the kink of society then, cause like, I don't really care about fictional love lives.

I don't mind people who do, but goddamn if that isn't the only discussion going on in this thread.

Some attach themselves too much on certain characters..forgetting that they are not real (look at Sasuketards..they actually live through that character and if he wins..it's like they win..:eek).


But the discussions about shipping were probably sparked by the above mentioned image that Sylar posted..:edu

[Gamble]

Some attach themselves too much on certain characters..forgetting that they are not real (look at Sasuketards..they actually live through that character and if he wins..it's like they win..:eek).


Oh, for a second there I thought you meant "human nature," and not "retarded."

My mistake.

[Ciupy]

Oh, for a second there I thought you meant "human nature," and not "retarded."

My mistake.

To be "retarded" about certain things and not logical is also in the human nature..take that as you will..:lmao

[Jove]

Oh, I must be the kink of society then, cause like, I don't really care about fictional love lives.

I don't mind people who do, but goddamn if that isn't the only discussion going on in this thread.

Come on, Timber, seriously... we have two months to talk about nothing. We can't even speculate on airdates anymore; we know they'll be airing in July. And really, things have been pretty tame with the shipping talk. No one's delved into the triple and quadruple ships yet. That's when the portmanteau becomes really ridiculous.

[Gamble]

Come on, Timber, seriously... we have two months to talk about nothing. We can't even speculate on airdates anymore; we know they'll be airing in July. And really, things have been pretty tame with the shipping talk. No one's delved into the triple and quadruple ships yet. That's when the portmanteau becomes really ridiculous.

I don't remember a lot of pairing talk prior to the Boiling Rock episodes.

Just a lot of complaining.

[Sylar]

Let's go back to complaining. :LOS

I'll start: Nick sucks.

[kakoishii]

lol, when did the ship wars get so fierce? You guys should take the laid back route instead of being all ZOMG PROOF ZUTARA WILL HAPPEN or ZOMG KATAANG IS PRETTY MUCH SET IN STONE. Just let it go, honestly I doubt anyone is watching this for the pure romance alone, I couldn't be happier if in the end no one ended up with anyone and all the ships were up in the air. Some things you're just better off not knowing about or indulging in :zaru

[Ciupy]

^Nick is literally throwing away money as we speak since they are not advertising Avatar properly or keeping a fix release schedule..

If at least they would wipe their asses with money..that would at least benefit them in a twisted way..but not this..:LOS

[Jove]

I don't remember a lot of pairing talk prior to the Boiling Rock episodes.

Just a lot of complaining.

Damn you, it's shipping. "Pairing" is an uninspired misnomer.

I believe complaining will be thrust back into the discussion, but right now there's still a hearty amount of new episode euphoria. Giddiness leads to ship-talk. If you want to discuss something substantial, I'm game.

For instance, jet-pack Azula: does it work? I liked her using firebending for propulsion in CoD, but she launched herself like 40 feet upwards in 315. I thought it was a bit much.

[Ciupy]

Damn you, it's shipping. "Pairing" is an uninspired misnomer.

I believe complaining will be thrust back into the discussion, but right now there's still a hearty amount of new episode euphoria. Giddiness leads to ship-talk. If you want to discuss something substantial, I'm game.

For instance, jet-pack Azula: does it work? I liked her using firebending for propulsion in CoD, but she launched herself like 40 feet upwards in 315. I thought it was a bit much.

Well..Tsuna from Hitman Reborn does this all the time if that is any consolation for you..:lmao
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/Ciupy7/Tsuna_X_Burn_by_Peonixo.jpg

[Gamble]

Damn you, it's shipping. "Pairing" is an uninspired misnomer.
Isn't it the same thing anyways?

For instance, jet-pack Azula: does it work? I liked her using firebending for propulsion in CoD, but she launched herself like 40 feet upwards in 315. I thought it was a bit much.

Agreed. Basically makes airbending even less interesting to me. Firebending lets you fly now, without a glider. It'd be impossible for Toph to fight Azula, if all Azula did was just fly around. Basically the most powerful character in the entire series.

[Jove]

Isn't it the same thing anyways?


Agreed. Basically makes airbending even less interesting to me. Firebending lets you fly now, without a glider. It'd be impossible for Toph to fight Azula, if all Azula did was just fly around. Basically the most powerful character in the entire series.

If she had just used one powerful burst to launch herself upward, it would have been really cool. It's not a big deal, I guess. I hate to nitpick such a stellar episode.

Azula's definitely powerful... I'd still put her behind Aang, Ozai, and Iroh, though. Katara might be her equal now, too... especially since she manhandled Azula in 220. But power isn't that important in the Avatar world, thankfully.

[Sylar]

Didn't Azula use the shackles to help her focus the fire so she could fly?

[Gamble]

Azula's definitely powerful... I'd still put her behind Aang, Ozai, and Iroh, though. Katara might be her equal now, too... especially since she manhandled Azula in 220. But power isn't that important in the Avatar world, thankfully.
Aang has main character invincibility, so it's pretty obvious that he'll out-do her. I can see her being stronger than Ozai and Iroh, though. Infact, I wouldn't be surprised if at the climax, she betrays her father for the control of the fire nation. Zuko will inevitably be the one to fight her, though. Pitting Azula against anyone else would be unnecessary.

I agree, though. They kept a pretty balanced cast throughout the show. No one seems like they have a definite advantage over the other.

Didn't Azula use the shackles to help her focus the fire so she could fly?
She used the shackles to latch onto the wire and then propelled herself to the car. The fact she was still able to jet herself 40 feet in the air with firebending was ridiculous, even if she couldn't use it to reach the car without some assistance of the shackles' hold on the wire.

[Jove]

Aang has main character invincibility, so it's pretty obvious that he'll out-do her. I can see her being stronger than Ozai and Iroh, though. Infact, I wouldn't be surprised if at the climax, she betrays her father for the control of the fire nation. Zuko will inevitably be the one to fight her, though. Pitting Azula against anyone else would be unnecessary.

I agree, though. They kept a pretty balanced cast throughout the show. No one seems like they have a definite advantage over the other.

Yup, it's all about context. Aang fought terribly against Azula in "The Chase," being sleep-deprived, and in "The Crossroads of Destiny," stunned by all the things going on around him. But in "The Drill," he was focused and matched her equally. I see Zuko having the same arc; he's learned "true" firebending, and he's slowly letting go of the guilt and envy, so he was able to stand up to her and block her blasts in 315.

I do wonder, though... in the trailer, Katara is shown in action, and the scene around her is crimson-tinged so it's probably under the shadow of the comet. I really hope she's not fighting Azula; Zuko needs to defeat her by himself.

[Gamble]

I do wonder, though... in the trailer, Katara is shown in action, and the scene around her is crimson-tinged so it's probably under the shadow of the comet. I really hope she's not fighting Azula; Zuko needs to defeat her by himself.

I haven't seen the trailer yet. I don't know, though. I don't really expect to see Sokka, Toph, and Katara really doing any 1 on 1 fights. They'll probably be the ones to dispose of fodder enemies. Now that Mai and Ty Lee have turned their backs on Azula, there's not really anyone for those three go to go against. Unless they like, somehow escape again to fight against them? Which would be weird, lol.

Azula and Zuko, Aang and Ozai. There's really no other antagonists worth mentioning, unless Combustion Man suddenly shows up to show he's alive. Iroh, Toph, Sokka, Katara, Suki, everyone else besides Zuko and Aang..will probably just be there for fodder control.

[Shaidar Haran]

What I'm wondering is who Katara is going to end up using blood-bending on. She had to have been taught how for more than just being filler.

[Gamble]

What I'm wondering is who Katara is going to end up using blood-bending on. She had to have been taught how for more than just being filler.

Sadly, I think it's going to remain filler. The idea of it is probably too grotesque for Nick to actually implement it into the show, and used by one of the protagonists. It would promote some negative views on the younger watchers.

Instead, it may come up where she feels like she has to fall back on it, but then pulls a "I'm strong enough without it" thing and kicks all sort of ass after her little resolve.

[Koi]

No, she bloodbends in the trailer, actually.

[Kage]

where is a link to this trailer :pek

[Gamble]

where is a link to this trailer :pek

this .

[Kage]

this .
...
well that was unnecessary. and a bit mean. but i will thank you for the gesture nonetheless :zaru

[Koi]

QmKhbVBezdg
Check out just around 1:09. Look at her hand-- that's definitely the bloodbending 'gesture.'

[Gamble]

...
well that was unnecessary. and a bit mean. but i will thank you for the gesture nonetheless :zaru

Huh? I was seconding your request. I wanted to see it as well..no idea how you interpreted that as "mean" lol.

Yuhi, dunno how a single hand movement indicates anything, but I guess.

[kakoishii]

Sadly, I think it's going to remain filler. The idea of it is probably too grotesque for Nick to actually implement it into the show, and used by one of the protagonists. It would promote some negative views on the younger watchers.

Instead, it may come up where she feels like she has to fall back on it, but then pulls a "I'm strong enough without it" thing and kicks all sort of ass after her little resolve.

except nick doesn't make the show :oh Mike and Brian do, and I honestly don't see why they would introduce it if they planned to just throw it away. This isn't mere filler like Sokka buying Hawkey only for us to never see that bird again (no matter how lovable he was), this is a manipulation of water bending, and even if we don't ever see her use it as brutally as that crazy water bending woman I'm willing to bet we will see some reincarnation of it before this chapter ends.

As for Aang's "main character invicibility," I agree with the fact that him being the hero means he'll win in the end, but I have seen nothing that points to him being stronger than Azula as of right now. Where he was at the end of season 2 was pretty much his prime and I don't care if you want to pull some bullshit like "he was going through a lot at the moment," he's the f**king avatar he's always going through a lot of shit. Bottom line, he was out matched, at that point if Azula hadn't hit him from behind he would have had no reason to loose since he was fighting 3 against 2 with Toph and Katara as support and those two are definitely not push overs. Anyway this by no means offers to the conclusion that Aang won't ultimately take down Azula or Ozai for that matter it just means he's got a long way to go in such a small amount of episodes and it's kind of odd to me that they'd fill this final book with so much filler of Aang pretty much "goofing off" when he's far from ready to defeat the fire lord.

[Kage]

thanks. now i don't have to waste the few secs it probably would have took me to find it myself :iria

looks awesome.

july huh? not that far away...i guess :(

Huh? I was seconding your request. I wanted to see it as well..no idea how you interpreted that as "mean" lol.
whoops. don't mind me, i went to work when i had the day off (an hour and a half journey) so clearly i've misinterpreted more then just you today. my apologies.

[Gamble]

except nick doesn't make the show :oh Mike and Brian do, and I honestly don't see why they would introduce it if they planned to just throw it away.

I didn't say Nick made the show, I said they wouldn't air something that would put a protagonist on their station doing things that could come off as cruel and unusual. Don't jump the gun so quickly.

And it could have been brought up just to show that you don't need to use methods as "twisted" as bloodbending to overcome your problems. I'm assuming you have some knowledge of Naruto. Think of it like Kyuubi. He has the ability, but refuses to use it. Now imagine Naruto condensed into 60 episodes, it could work out similiarly.

[kakoishii]

I didn't say Nick made the show, I said they wouldn't air something that would put a protagonist on their station doing things that could come off as cruel and unusual. Don't jump the gun so quickly.

And it could have been brought up just to show that you don't need to use methods as "twisted" as bloodbending to overcome your problems. I'm assuming you have some knowledge of Naruto. Think of it like Kyuubi. He has the ability, but refuses to use it. Now imagine Naruto condensed into 60 episodes, it could work out similiarly.

oh come on don't compare kyuubi with blood bending that's just a ludicrous analogy. In one case the user has to fight to supress a power while in the other the user has full freedom of choice. Secondly, they could accomplish the teaching of such "lesson" without introducing a completely new technique. I give Mike and Brian more credit than that, if they're gonna go through the effort of putting it out there they won't just brush it aside especially with that slightly cliff-hanger feeling that episode left, it was almost foreshadowing that Katara will use it again. That and the fact that Nick has already okayed season 3, though their word has shown to be paper thin many times in the past and present the rest of e thseason will get air-time and I believe Katara's blood bending doesn't have to be used as overly cruely as that water bending woman used it as I stated above, it doesn't have to be full blown and it would be out of character if it was but like I said I'm willing to bet we will see the technique again before all this is over.

Willing to take me up on that bet? If I'm wrong I'll admit my ignorance and award you rep points for your "vast insight" but if I'm right you admit I was right and rep me as retribution :amuse

[Gamble]

Its nice to know you can make novels out of your opinion. I'm throwing the possibility out there. Obviously, since I have never had contact with Mike or Brian, I'm not going to have any foundation to base theories on.

You shouldn't, either. Also, "ludicrous" is best used when making bets on crap you hold no control over.

[kakoishii]

Its nice to know you can make novels out of your opinion. I'm throwing the possibility out there. Obviously, since I have never had contact with Mike or Brian, I'm not going to have any foundation to base theories on.

You shouldn't, either. Also, "ludicrous" is best used when making bets on crap you hold no control over.

So what now people make bets on things they can control? That says to me you have no idea what a bet is. As for me making "novels" at my opinions, when I have a lot to say I'd like to say so eloquently with a lot of support so my response doesn't resemble bullshit pulled out of my ass with responses like "it won't happen because nick won't air it." See what I did there. Your response is more like a back handed insult because you find something wrong with speculating events that might occur as if no one in this thread hasn't and isn't already doing that. If you deem yourself above me somehow by saying you're just throwing your possibilities without any actual contact with Mike and Brian, well then I too am doing the same. Of course neither of us having any basis on these theories thus the reason they are theories. I just see my theory more likely than you theory because of evidence in the trailer that says the possibility of blood bending is more than likely. Just check the trailer:
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Check out just around 1:09. Look at her hand-- that's definitely the bloodbending 'gesture.'
and do look at her gestures they show a striking resemblance to the ones she used while blood bending. You can check the episode for it I believe it is 308 but I may be wrong on that.

[Gamble]

So what now people make bets on things they can control? That says to me you have no idea what a bet is.
facepalm. Even betting on horses, you have previous statistics and knowledge about what you're placing a bet on. You have control over your choice. Placing bets on something you have no knowledge about besides a 2-second animation in a trailer is idiotic.
As for me making "novels" at my opinions, when I have a lot to say I'd like to say so eloquently with a lot of support so my response doesn't resemble bullshit pulled out of my ass with responses like "it won't happen because nick won't air it."
lol, exaggerations. Being doubtful something will happen, is a huge difference from disowning the idea completely. It's rare that you will see the protagonist using cruel methods to overcome their obstacles, especially in a (western) children's show, where morals are heavily influenced. I gave my reason, but I didn't need to make my post obscenely long to get my point across. Your response is more like a back handed insult because you find something wrong with speculating events that might occur as if no one in this thread hasn't and isn't already doing that.
Didn't say that, I was promoting speculation. But when people try getting high and mighty with me over stupid shit like this, it makes me lose interest quickly. Either of us has the possibility to be wrong, don't start taunting me with stupid bets and other bullshit you pulled out of your ass. If you deem yourself above me somehow by saying you're just throwing your possibilities without any actual contact with Mike and Brian, well then I too am doing the same. Of course neither of us having any basis on these theories thus the reason they are theories. I just see my theory more likely than you theory because of evidence in the trailer that says the possibility of blood bending is more than likely.
How do you go from accusing me of being smug, to saying that your idea is better than mine. Makes no sense. You should probably revise your posts to get less backlash.


and do look at her gestures they show a striking resemblance to the ones she used while blood bending. You can check the episode for it I believe it is 308 but I may be wrong on that.
Already watched it, and already said it was possible. But seeing only a second of hand animation is kind of hard for me to determine whether or not she'll actually use it. For all we know, she could be starting it, and will stop soon after because her conscience gets to her.

[Jove]

Where he was at the end of season 2 was pretty much his prime and I don't care if you want to pull some bullshit like "he was going through a lot at the moment," he's the f**king avatar he's always going through a lot of shit. Bottom line, he was out matched, at that point if Azula hadn't hit him from behind he would have had no reason to loose since he was fighting 3 against 2 with Toph and Katara as support and those two are definitely not push overs.

Sigh... I don't like debating power in Avatar. As I said, it's irrelevant. However, I do have to point out that Toph wasn't anywhere near that battle; it was Aang and Katara v. Azula, Zuko, and the Dai Li.

As for Aang being outmatched by Azula, he was also outmatched by Zuko. He simply had a bad performance. Azula didn't exactly perform that well, either; Katara handled her pretty easily. Really, that fight was all Katara and Zuko.

[Princess Mahi]

Agreeing with Jove-san, the fight was focused on Zuko and Katara, teh Azula and Aang battle wasn't as big. It wasn't as nbig, but he wasn't outmached just, at the time, not ready.

[Kusuriuri]

n00b question here, where did the term "shipping" come from?

also from that trailer its pretty obvious that TophxKatara's dad:LOS

[Nexas]

n00b question here, where did the term "shipping" come from?

also from that trailer its pretty obvious that TophxKatara's dad:LOS

No idea who brought it up and where, but it comes from relationship. I guess someone just felt it had a nice ring to it I suppose.

[Mider T]

lol @ the two complaining about shipping? How the fuck can this not be interesting to you, I'm so glad I'm psychoanayltical. It's way better than just posting awhole bunch of fanart.

[Sylar]

lol @ the two complaining about shipping? How the fuck can this not be interesting to you, I'm so glad I'm psychoanayltical. It's way better than just posting awhole bunch of fanart.

Because I barely care about the love lives of REAL people. :LOS

[Noah]

Because I barely care about the love lives of REAL people. :LOS

That's cuz you just gun eat dere brains! :gar

Characters having relationships isn't stupid. It makes for great development. It's the arguments, debates and ridiculous claims that a handshake is proven fact that characters will end up together that makes it stupid. Supporting character combinations isn't gay, arguing over them is.

P.S.: Zumi FTW!

[Muk]

so i am wondering why is noone actually discussing the new episodes ... 14 and 15 aired this weekend and all i see in this thread are like pairing discussions ...

[Mider T]

Well because we've all had our fun talking about the episodes, and you already know everytime Suki shows up ship talk is bound to start.

[Koi]

Not to mention they didn't actually air, anyway. :zaru

Oh Internet, I love you so.


I'm starting to ship Urkoda pretty hard.. :LOS That would be so hot.

[Superrazien]

Anyone know if there making any new Avatar games that are actually good?

I always thought Avatar would make a cool MMORG

[Koi]

I've been thinking of pitching the idea of an RPG to my fiance. :LOS We already have a Naruto one going, based on d20. Avatar wouldn't be all that much different..

[Gunners]

An Avatar game could be decent, more than likely it would fail as they wouldn't put the effort into it. I can never understand why they go half ass on games themed around popular movies or tv shows. If you have a great theme add great game play to, well, make the game great.

[I.P. Standing]

There already is an Avatar game, though I haven't read any reviews nor felt the need to throw down 60 bucks on it.

Also... where are all my Earthbender tards at?

[Princess Mahi]

it seems we are all surviving the long wait for july!

[Taurus Versant]

In that trailer, I'm more impressed when Katara did that move where she takes the water out of the plants. It's a very un-Katara like action, killing the plants for the water, so the odds of her having the willpower for bloodbending are high.

[Dynamic Dragon]

^ she ddnt take any water out of any plants in the trailer lol... she stopped the rain from falling in that clip x_D... they were rain drops on pause.

[Tsuchikami]

The Trailer is so great! Can't wait to see the final fight with Aang and the Firelord!!! This is a really awesome series they made!

[kakoishii]

This is what I get when I take a break, but nevertheless I will answer all these, after all I love a good debate :wink

facepalm. Even betting on horses, you have previous statistics and knowledge about what you're placing a bet on. You have control over your choice. Placing bets on something you have no knowledge about besides a 2-second animation in a trailer is idiotic.
People will bet on all kinds of things not just horse races and the like and sometimes with less feasible basis like my "2-second animation in a trailer" often times on nothing except gut feeling. So no, a bet isn't only called a bet when you can base it on something.

lol, exaggerations. Being doubtful something will happen, is a huge difference from disowning the idea completely. It's rare that you will see the protagonist using cruel methods to overcome their obstacles, especially in a (western) children's show, where morals are heavily influenced.
And like I said there's no reason Katara needs to be a cruel blood bender like the woman who taught it to her, it would be extremely out of character and I wouldn't expect her to. She can use it with out killing anyone or causing any severe damage.

I gave my reason, but I didn't need to make my post obscenely long to get my point across.
orly, what do you call this response. Regardless it's no secret that my responses can tend to be winded, if you're bothered by that then don't read them or don't respond, there's no reason to pick at that fact so negatively it's not like it will change the fact I make long responses.

Didn't say that, I was promoting speculation. But when people try getting high and mighty with me over stupid shit like this, it makes me lose interest quickly. Either of us has the possibility to be wrong, don't start taunting me with stupid bets and other bullshit you pulled out of your ass.
who's high and mighty? I could say the same about you, but I won't because this isn't a name calling game. All personal differences aside let's just agree to keep this debate on the topic at hand.

How do you go from accusing me of being smug, to saying that your idea is better than mine. Makes no sense. You should probably revise your posts to get less backlash.
In the context of what I wrote it all makes sense for me to go from saying there's nothing wrong with specualtion and me thinking my speculation is better than yours :amuse It's merely my opinion you don't have to agree with it, and from where I'm standing backlash is good. I'd rather debate things like this than slip back into the nausea of ship wars.


Already watched it, and already said it was possible. But seeing only a second of hand animation is kind of hard for me to determine whether or not she'll actually use it. For all we know, she could be starting it, and will stop soon after because her conscience gets to her.
I think it's possible and I think it's more than likely she won't stop, she looks pretty adamant if you ask me.
Sigh... I don't like debating power in Avatar. As I said, it's irrelevant. However, I do have to point out that Toph wasn't anywhere near that battle; it was Aang and Katara v. Azula, Zuko, and the Dai Li.

As for Aang being outmatched by Azula, he was also outmatched by Zuko. He simply had a bad performance. Azula didn't exactly perform that well, either; Katara handled her pretty easily. Really, that fight was all Katara and Zuko.
fine Toph aside, his chances were pretty good, and if memory serves was the Dai Li even a driving force in that battle? I disagree with it being a Katara and Zuko highlight battle. During this battle Zukko fell from grace by joining Azula's side, that's about how big a part he played in that battle, and Katara already got highlight battles before this one to show how far she had come this was just further reinforcement that she's a force to be reckoned with. As far as Aang not performing well against and Zuko and Azula in the past, this is done on purpose to show how much he's improved when the time comes. I wouldn't expect him to all out beat Azula at first meet up because of her reputation as a villain plus in the end it would be lame and anti-climatic. Aang will get his chance to show everyone just why he is the avatar.


Agreeing with Jove-san, the fight was focused on Zuko and Katara, teh Azula and Aang battle wasn't as big. It wasn't as nbig, but he wasn't outmached just, at the time, not ready.

Sure he wasn't ready, thus the reason he was outmatched what other reason would he have to be outmatched?

[Gamble]

People will bet on all kinds of things not just horse races and the like and sometimes with less feasible basis like my "2-second animation in a trailer" often times on nothing except gut feeling. So no, a bet isn't only called a bet when you can base it on something.
What the hell, I wasn't telling you what a bet was and was not. You were going on about me not knowing what a bet was because I called it absurd. If you want to bet on it, go ahead. It's not going to stop me from calling it so. Goddamn. Again, read your fucking posts beforehand, I don't have it in me to respond to this stupid crap.

And like I said there's no reason Katara needs to be a cruel blood bender like the woman who taught it to her, it would be extremely out of character and I wouldn't expect her to. She can use it with out killing anyone or causing any severe damage.
The method is cruel. Not saying she herself would have to be in some form of killer intent. Physically taking control of somebody's body can/will be viewed as grotesque.


who's high and mighty? I could say the same about you, but I won't because this isn't a name calling game. All personal differences aside let's just agree to keep this debate on the topic at hand.
You were trying to flaunt your faggotry towards the end of your previous posts. Taunting me with bets and trying to mock my opinion. You have no right to accuse me of such.


In the context of what I wrote it all makes sense for me to go from saying there's nothing wrong with specualtion and me thinking my speculation is better than yours
Read my post again.


I think it's possible and I think it's more than likely she won't stop, she looks pretty adamant if you ask me.
Woah, holy shit. I SAID THE EXACT SAME THING.

[Morwain]

Really peoples calm down don't get all bent out of shape of what may or may not be, at least not until at least late June...where we'll all most likely be willing to rip each others heads off about anything.

[kakoishii]

What the hell, I wasn't telling you what a bet was and was not. You were going on about me not knowing what a bet was because I called it absurd. If you want to bet on it, go ahead. It's not going to stop me from calling it so. Goddamn. Again, read your fucking posts beforehand, I don't have it in me to respond to this stupid crap.
:facepalm yea you kind of were, but that's not what any of this is about so let's just drop it completely k?

The method is cruel. Not saying she herself would have to be in some form of killer intent. Physically taking control of somebody's body can/will be viewed as grotesque.

Katara used it on the blood bending woman at the end of the blood bending episode to save the lives of Aang and Sokka, that seems more honorable than cruel and after she used it on the blood bending woman was completely fine. If she uses it to save one of her friends with out actually hurting the person she uses it on it can be painted in a more honorable light rather than the cruelty it was born out of.

You were trying to flaunt your faggotry towards the end of your previous posts. Taunting me with bets and trying to mock my opinion. You have no right to accuse me of such.
you get mad at me for acting high and mighty, and when I try to clear the air by saying let's throw name calling out the window for the sake of conversation you come back by saying I'm "flaunting my faggotry" right, whatever. I refuse to play this name calling game but go right ahead if you feel so inclined.


Read my post again.
no need, it's completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand.


Woah, holy shit. I SAID THE EXACT SAME THING.
calm down buddy :oh I wasn't exactly disagreeing with you.

Really peoples calm down don't get all bent out of shape of what may or may not be, at least not until at least late June...where we'll all most likely be willing to rip each others heads off about anything.
No problem, I can debate just fine with a cool head. Your welcome to join, it helps bide time while we wait.

[Gamble]

Really peoples calm down don't get all bent out of shape of what may or may not be, at least not until at least late June...where we'll all most likely be willing to rip each others heads off about anything.

Honestly, not even arguing/debating about Avatar right now lol. It's turned into another stupid people saying stupid things argument.

Did they delay the DVD release, though? I thought it was out next month, not late June/July.


Katara used it on the blood bending woman at the end of the blood bending episode to save the lives of Aang and Sokka, that seems more honorable than cruel and after she used the blood bending woman was completely fine. If she uses it save one of her friends with out actually hurting the person she uses it on it can be painted in a more honorable light rather than the cruelty it was born out of.
I'd agree with this much more quickly if she actually had somebody to protect. With Mai and Ty Lee out of the picture (I assume) there's really not anymore threats that she can take. I can see where you're coming from, but the only reasonable way I can see it being pulled off effectively is if like, Combustion Man reappears and nearly kills her friends/family. Azula and Ozai I don't think will see Katara in actual combat, and it'd be kind of lame if she just uses it on the fodder enemies. Plausable, but still. Plus, she wasn't willingly using bloodbending on the old woman.

Am I wrong in believing that bloodbending was only capable on a full moon? Looks like they're sitting on dusk or something with no moon to be seen, unless she somehow developed her abilities to the point of using it whenever.

you get mad at me for acting high and mighty, and when I try to clear the air by saying let's throw name calling out the window for the sake of conversation you come back by saying I'm "flaunting my faggotry" right, whatever. I refuse to play this name calling game but go right ahead if you feel so inclined.
You can't start crap and then expect it to cease whenever you say.


calm down buddy :oh I wasn't exactly disagreeing with you.
You've just been doing so much of that, I had to only assume.

[kakoishii]

I'd agree with this much more quickly if she actually had somebody to protect. With Mai and Ty Lee out of the picture (I assume) there's really not anymore threats that she can take. I can see where you're coming from, but the only reasonable way I can see it being pulled off effectively is if like, Combustion Man reappears and nearly kills her friends/family. Azula and Ozai I don't think will see Katara in actual combat, and it'd be kind of lame if she just uses it on the fodder enemies. Plausable, but still. Plus, she wasn't willingly using bloodbending on the old woman.
Am I wrong in believing that bloodbending was only capable on a full moon? Looks like they're sitting on dusk or something with no moon to be seen, unless she somehow developed her abilities to the point of using it whenever.
who knows, perhaps a threat will arise in front of her, perhaps it will be some fodder enemy, who really knows it's all mere speculation at best. As for the full moon business, I honestly don't remember if that's a stipulation or not so I can't really say anything on that.



You can't start crap and then expect it to cease whenever you say.
my appologies it wasn't so harsh or base in me calling your response "fagottry" but that's besides the point. Am I in the wrong for at least trying to clear the air?


You've just been doing so much of that, I had to only assume.

When people are debating a subject there's bound to be some disagreement, but in that case I wasn't really disagreeing with you. As shocking as may seem there will be times when I don't have anything contrary to say.

[Morwain]

Sorry bout that I'm just a bit stressed and couldn't stand all the argueing it was bugging me that's all.

[Shade]

:oh An argument in the Avatar thread. That's...fresh.

[kakoishii]

^ isn't it though :amuse though once you remove all the bad blood, I'd rather it be more of a debate.

[Candy]

i hate avatar
i used to like it but then i was introduced to one piece !

[Koi]

..So you went out of your way to come in here to say that? :facepalm

[Silvermyst]

i hate avatar
i used to like it but then i was introduced to one piece !

Why couldn't you like them both? Do you have a limit?

[Seto Kaiba]

Jet is dead. I still can't believe it...

[Gamble]

Am I in the wrong for at least trying to clear the air?
No, but don't expect instant results.



When people are debating a subject there's bound to be some disagreement, but in that case I wasn't really disagreeing with you.

Funny how this has barely even been about Avatar, and more about the effect you trying to provoke me.

Jet is dead. I still can't believe it...
lol, when did this happen?

[Shade]

i hate avatar
i used to like it but then i was introduced to one piece !

Boy, do you live up to your user title. :facepalm

[Nexas]

Ok it just occurred to me, but the comet is suppose to crash into the Earth in the finale right? I'm not an expert on these kind of things, but wouldn't an object that large hitting the Earth at high speed cause unsurmountable natural disasters? Like killing millions disastrous?

[Jove]

Ok it just occurred to me, but the comet is suppose to crash into the Earth in the finale right? I'm not an expert on these kind of things, but wouldn't an object that large hitting the Earth at high speed cause unsurmountable natural disasters? Like killing millions disastrous?

From the size of the comet in the trailer, an object much smaller could be cataclysmic. The size of Sozin's comet looks like a global catastrophe. How this is dealt with is something I'm looking forward to.

Prediction: Bumi solo's this one. :zaru

[Shade]

If it's some cheesy shit like fire and earth benders uniting to bend it away, I'll hunt Nick down. But Avatar isn't usually predictable so it should be good.

[Silvermyst]

Jet is dead. I still can't believe it...

OMG I know! He was like my instant fav when he appeared, and when he died I was like ":arg."
N

lol, when did this happen?

Lake Logai (Spelling fail) episode. He got smashed with a rock pillar Long Fei shot at him, and suffered bad internal injuries. They left him with Longshot and Smellerbee

I'm still hoping they'd be like "LOL j/k" for him. Ah, hope springs eternal.

[Gamble]

Lake Logai (Spelling fail) episode. He got smashed with a rock pillar Long Fei shot at him, and suffered bad internal injuries. They left him with Longshot and Smellerbee

I'm still hoping they'd be like "LOL j/k" for him. Ah, hope springs eternal.

I remember this, but I thought there was some actual confirmation of him being dead that sprung up. Seto brought it up, so I thought something new happened regarding the actual outcome, in a new episode or something.

[Omolara]

I think it was confirmed in an interview, maybe.

[kakoishii]

No, but don't expect instant results.
on your end not mine



Funny how this has barely even been about Avatar, and more about the effect you trying to provoke me.
are you kidding? This has been all about avatar, not about you, not about me. I'm not provoking you just because I don't agree with you, and my opinions are radically contrary to yours. If you choose to look at it that way that's your problem no mine.

Ontopic:
As for Jet being dead, it was never shown and was entirely off screen but was heavily implied. It always bothered me how Mike and Brian offed him and how the Gaang pretty much abandoned him instead of staying with him to the bitter end, but I guess they couldn't effectively make his death off screen if they did that.

[Dark Kakashi]

Just finished watching book 3 chapters 14 and 15, so good! ;o;
where is 16?! >=O

[kamikazi]

16 isn't out yet, and it could be a while til it comes out

[Misha-San]

Ugh don't remind me lol but I think we can get info on the finale because of the book thats coming out. =p

[Gamble]

are you kidding? This has been all about avatar, not about you, not about me. I'm not provoking you just because I don't agree with you, and my opinions are radically contrary to yours. If you choose to look at it that way that's your problem no mine.
Yeah the discussion of betting and battle-of-the-egos was totally Avatar related.

Also:
Willing to take me up on that bet? If I'm wrong I'll admit my ignorance and award you rep points for your "vast insight" but if I'm right you admit I was right and rep me as retribution :amuse
is what made shit hit the fan.


Ontopic:
As for Jet being dead, it was never shown and was entirely off screen but was heavily implied. It always bothered me how Mike and Brian offed him and how the Gaang pretty much abandoned him instead of staying with him to the bitter end, but I guess they couldn't effectively make his death off screen if they did that.

He didn't even get so much as an afterthought from Aang&co. in any following episodes.

[Silvermyst]

I remember this, but I thought there was some actual confirmation of him being dead that sprung up. Seto brought it up, so I thought something new happened regarding the actual outcome, in a new episode or something.

Yeah I think it was at the 2007 Comic Con. Though it hasn't been addressed in the show, per se.


RIP Jet. :(

[kakoishii]

Yeah the discussion of betting and battle-of-the-egos was totally Avatar related.

Also:

is what made shit hit the fan.

I was half joking when I made that bet, it's not like I looking for a opening to say "HA HA n00b I totally pwned you on that one," it was meant to be totally harmless but I guess my intentions went over your head or perhaps they were poorly conveyed.



He didn't even get so much as an afterthought from Aang&co. in any following episodes.
I know it was handled poorly and imo was a half-assed way of ending Jet's story line and doing away with his character. They didn't have to kill him off and if they decided they wanted to anyway they should have given him a more honorable death. Jet wasn't some fodder character, he had actual fans, getting rid of his character like that was disrespectful to those fans.

[Gamble]

Yeah I think it was at the 2007 Comic Con. Though it hasn't been addressed in the show, per se.

Well as long as it was confirmed one way or another. Still a crappy ending for him.
or perhaps they were poorly conveyed.

I don't know you. It's the internet. You should probably be less subtle in those situations. You wouldn't have been the first person this week that was trying to flaunt their internet cock around if you were actually serious.


I know it was handled poorly and imo was a half-assed way of ending Jet's story line and doing away with his character. They didn't have to kill him off and if they decided they wanted to anyway they should have given him a more honorable death. Jet wasn't some fodder character, he had actual fans, getting rid of his character like that was disrespectful to those fans.
I wouldn't have minded his death if it wasn't so poorly handled.

[Silvermyst]

Well as long as it was confirmed one way or another. Still a crappy ending for him.


I wouldn't have minded his death if it wasn't so poorly handled.

Indeed. He just kinda vanished off the face of the planet.

[Noah]

It wasn't so much that Jet's death was handled poorly, it was handled in what was probably the only appropriate way for the target viewing age. Even though Avatar is heavier than pretty much anything Nick has ever shown, having a kid (at 15-16 years old) die on camera could be pretty traumatic.

Remember, this is still targeted at the typical Nickelodeon audience, so the only way to kill him off would be to imply he's dead but never actually say it. Villains have fallen to their death in Avatar, but since Jet was a misguided anti-hero, that's probably one of the rules in keeping it Y7(or whatever the rating is).

[Gamble]

It wasn't so much that Jet's death was handled poorly, it was handled in what was probably the only appropriate way for the target viewing age. Even though Avatar is heavier than pretty much anything Nick has ever shown, having a kid (at 15-16 years old) die on camera could be pretty traumatic.


Let me rephrase. His death was fine, but the fact that everyone kind of just forgot about him is what gets to me. I mean come on, dude (and other dudes) sacrifices himself for them to make their escape. Some memory of that, at least once in the past uhh...20-25 episodes, would have been nice. lol

[I.P. Standing]

Am I the only one that was happy that Mai and Ty Lee finally said a proverbial "Fuck you!" to Azula?

[Superstarseven]

Well according to the DVD commentary on Lake Laogai, there had to be another way to kill off Jet after Nick put the kibosh on what the writer originally intended.
Noah is certainly on the money on the TV ratings restrictions.
There's a considerable gap between Avatar's TV-Y-7-FV and Naruto's American TV-PG rating. So we have to know going in that it's going to be Family-Friendly violence.
Besides Jet's death wasn't that bad...He had his chest crushed.
C'mon now, that's not too bad for the Spongebob Network.

[I.P. Standing]

*backreads a bit*

Timbers and kakoishii... please calm down.

I don't want to bring Hatergeddon to this thread...

[Gamble]

Am I the only one that was happy that Mai and Ty Lee finally said a proverbial "Fuck you!" to Azula?

Yes and no. Mai betraying her to save Zuko was really well done. No complaints there. Ty Lee, though. She didn't really have a motive for doing it. Now instead of a strong rivalry for Aang&co, it's just Azula. Kind of makes her feel a lot less of a threat now.

[Noah]

Let me rephrase. His death was fine, but the fact that everyone kind of just forgot about him is what gets to me. I mean come on, dude (and other dudes) sacrifices himself for them to make their escape. Some memory of that, at least once in the past uhh...20-25 episodes, would have been nice. lol

I could try and argue that it goes along with lessening the weight of a young non-villain character dying, but that's just arguing semantics. Yeah, you're right. That is a pretty big dick move that he's been forgotten.


Am I the only one that was happy that Mai and Ty Lee finally said a proverbial "Fuck you!" to Azula?

Yeah, it was about goddamn time that they got around to it.

But here's my question: Is there anyone that didn't see their turn coming? I guess there must be since people genuinely thought Zuko was a villain after CoD, but I just want to check. It seemed that Ty Lee (at least) would end up betraying Azula the moment she set her nets on fire at the circus.

[Seto Kaiba]

Anyone think Azula will be dead by the end? If so, how? Personally, I think she's going to try to kill Zuko with lightning and have it fired back at her. That or she and Katara have their rematch...

[Nexas]

Am I the only one that was happy that Mai and Ty Lee finally said a proverbial "Fuck you!" to Azula?

I was a pretty cool moment. Too bad its looks like they're getting the Jet treatment though.

[Piekage]

Am I the only one that was happy that Mai and Ty Lee finally said a proverbial "Fuck you!" to Azula?

No you are not. The look on Azula's face was priceless. I wasn't expecting Ty Lee to interfer, but it was great to watch. The only thing I didn't like, they didn't get away.

Of course that leaves plenty chances for hot lesbian prison smex, which is always welcome. :zaru

[I.P. Standing]

I just wish Ty Lee had saved her betrayal for a moment that was a bit more close to home, like Azula trying to burn down the circus for failing her or something.

[Gamble]

I think she's going to try to kill Zuko with lightning and have it fired back at her.

If she dies, this is how it will happen. Protagonist really can't have a direct role in the death of somebody. Alternative method would be she tries conjuring too much electricity/fire and combusts (I'm actually serious, no matter how hilarious it would be)

[Seto Kaiba]

If she dies, this is how it will happen. Protagonist really can't have a direct role in the death of somebody. Alternative method would be she tries conjuring too much electricity/fire and combusts (I'm actually serious, no matter how hilarious it would be)

Regarding protaganists not killing, won't Aang have to kill Ozai though? He really doesn't seem to be the surrendering type and he's very dangerous to keep as a prisoner.

[Gamble]

Regarding protaganists not killing, won't Aang have to kill Ozai though? He really doesn't seem to be the surrendering type and he's very dangerous to keep as a prisoner.

I think like every other person that's died in the series, something will indirectly be responsible for his death. rocks falling, ground splitting in two, food poisoning, stray cat, apocalypse, etc.

[kakoishii]

hmm, I've always seen it as forcing the fire lord into submission. I'm not quite sure death even has to play out in the end if they do something like an all 4 nations combine to create a new world order type of thing.

or I guess Ozai really could end up doing himself in a-la Harry Potter.

[Taurus Versant]

With their big finale coming up, I wonder how far Avatar will push the boundaries of whatever rating they're on.

[Banhammer]

You know the big "All of our friends are here to help" is coming no matter what, so we just might see Mae and Ty Lee again :D

[Gamble]

You know the big "All of our friends are here to help" is coming no matter what, so we just might see Mae and Ty Lee again :D

Yeah. I'm expecting Iroh to arrive with a boatload (literally? possible) of people to conveniently show up and reign terror on the current fire nation. Along with all of the existing people in the first evasion. Suki's warriors, too. Ty Lee and Mai, wouldn't be surprised if they showed up. Mai will fight alongside Zuko or something, and Ty Lee will just tag along because she's, well, Ty Lee.

[Vault]

Regarding protaganists not killing, won't Aang have to kill Ozai though? He really doesn't seem to be the surrendering type and he's very dangerous to keep as a prisoner.

ozai is 1 of those im too proud to be arrested instead i will commit suicide types :zaru

[Mider T]

Suicide isn't going to happen on Nick, not even implied.

[Misha-San]

If the show was on Adult Swim Crazula would have committed suicide in the finale.

[Gunners]

Azula I see either changing her attitude and exposing why she is the way she is or die trying to upstage Zuko.

Seeing as Zuko can redirect lightning I think when Zuko fires it back at her she will try doing the samething back at him but it will pass through her heart.

[Vault]

Suicide isn't going to happen on Nick, not even implied.

he's going to jump into a volcano or some shit :zaru

[Mider T]

http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_Events

[Koi]

So Wang Fire sorta looks like Sozin.. :pek


COINCIDENCE??!

[SpitefulSerpent5]

You know, I'm surprised nobody has thought of this yet, but I'm about 75% certain the prisoner that escaped with them is Combustion Man.

[Gamble]

You know, I'm surprised nobody has thought of this yet, but I'm about 75% certain the prisoner that escaped with them is Combustion Man.

Kind of an awesome idea, but then no. Dude fell off a cliff a few days before they went to Boiling Rock, and the chairman seemed to have been well acquainted with him (if you know what I mean)

I don't think they look much alike, either. (Obviously without the third eyeball)

[Sci-Fi]

You know, I'm surprised nobody has thought of this yet, but I'm about 75% certain the prisoner that escaped with them is Combustion Man.

Doubt it. He looks like he's been in prison for awhile and CM just got pwned. Besides he doesn't have a 3rd eye and is a pretty cool character.

[Mider T]

According to the site, Sozin lived to be 102, Azulon to 95 before he was killed.

I'm thinkin' longetivity runs in the family which is good for Iroh and Zuko, bad for Ozai and Azula.

[Blackops NINJA]

does anybodie know when the reruns come on ?I missed the full fire chapter

[Mider T]

Just watch them at avatarchapter.com

[Hana]

Just watch them at avatarchapter.com

Yeah seriously. I don't even rely on Nick for rewatching episodes anymore. :notrust

[kakoishii]

or you could catch regular reruns on nicktoons network, nick for some reason refuses to syndicate this show.

[Shaidar Haran]

Just watch them at avatarchapters.org (http://www.avatarchapters.org/)^^Fixed .

[Taurus Versant]

Azula I see either changing her attitude and exposing why she is the way she is or die trying to upstage Zuko.

Seeing as Zuko can redirect lightning I think when Zuko fires it back at her she will try doing the samething back at him but it will pass through her heart.

That sounds pretty much exactly how it's going to turn out. Iroh wouldn't have mentioned the risks if it didn't have some future significance.

[Silvermyst]

I really do hope that it's Zuko who finishes off Azula. It'd be rather lame otherwise.

[kamikazi]

with all the mental anguish she's caused him, he deserves to be the one who takes her out

[Morwain]

Yeah Zuko should take her out after all he's been through, he deserves it.

[Raiden]

Zuko might not have a choice. I noticed that Azula was more coldblooded that usual in 315. She had the intentions of killing her very brother and everyone else by letting them burn in the Boiling Plot. Now that her closest friends have betrayed her, she'll be even more ruthless.

[Koi]

I'm waiting for her to just go batshit, for it will be epic. That's when we'll see some real shit go down.

[Blackops NINJA]

is it me or was there alot of female firebenders this time.

[UltimateDeadpool]

Boiling Rock 1&2 comments...

1. Mai can take out a dozen+ guards single-handedly, but she gets capture by a handful? Actually, Ty Lee and Mai can take out a platoon of Earthbenders, but they're captured by a handful of guards?

2. Zuko really isn't good with words. He never broke up with Mai, he just needed to do something without getting her involved.

[Morwain]

I'm waiting for her to just go batshit, for it will be epic. That's when we'll see some real shit go down.

She looked like she was going insane in the preview so more than likely her friends 'betrayal' was the reason for it. Although, it's been a long time coming.

[Gentleman]

Did Sokka lose his sword in the first episode of the Boiling Rock?

Edit: Nevermind, I just finished it. I saw he got it back.

[blackssk]

1Ttjab5Y2nY

[I.P. Standing]

Boiling Rock 1&2 comments...

1. Mai can take out a dozen+ guards single-handedly, but she gets capture by a handful? Actually, Ty Lee and Mai can take out a platoon of Earthbenders, but they're captured by a handful of guards?

2. Zuko really isn't good with words. He never broke up with Mai, he just needed to do something without getting her involved.I don't think there's a need for the spoiler tags, since pretty much everyone reading this thread has likely already watched Boiling Rock.

And yeah, Mai and Ty Lee's capture made little sense at all. Mai takes out a shitload of guards single handedly, then when she and Ty Lee betray Azula, somehow they don't feel confident enough to take on the few remaining?

[Mider T]

Azula's gone batshit insane....maybe she's jealous of everyone always choosing Zuko over her...;

[UltimateDeadpool]

I don't think there's a need for the spoiler tags, since pretty much everyone reading this thread has likely already watched Boiling Rock.

And yeah, Mai and Ty Lee's capture made little sense at all. Mai takes out a shitload of guards single handedly, then when she and Ty Lee betray Azula, somehow they don't feel confident enough to take on the few remaining?

I haven't been keeping up with the topic lately and I wanted to be cautious/courteous.

It is baffling. Hmm, I wonder if Mai's uncle won't let them go?

[Omolara]

Azula's gone batshit insane....maybe she's jealous of everyone always choosing Zuko over her...;

That's what I think. Not only did her "friends" betray her, it was all because of Zuko of all people. Mom always did like him best, and now those she commanded as well. It's like adding insult to injury.

As for the pitiful capture of Mai and Ty Lee... Mai was sort of understandable because she was still in shock. Ty Lee, perhaps could have fought back, but Mai was kind of her priority. So maybe that was it.

Also, those guards were way more on top of things than the ones protecting Ozai during the eclipse. Ty Lee jabs Azula with much less fanfare than Zuko redirecting lightning, but where did Ozai's guards go?

[Yulwei]

Mai knew she was going to be defeated at some point as did Ty Lee there was no escape of the Island so they were merely accepting the inevitable rather than fighting a battle they'd lose due to being overwhelmed by numbers or even if succesful would gain them nothing.

[Gunners]

Hmm it should also be noted that Zuko's fighting style now is more defensive he went from being really offensive to level headed really.

Azula, as someone said, will potentially lose the plot somewhat. Zuko will end up deflecting and disabling most of her attacks. Am I the only person who wants to see Zuko shoot white fire?

And yeah, Mai and Ty Lee's capture made little sense at all. Mai takes out a shitload of guards single handedly, then when she and Ty Lee betray Azula, somehow they don't feel confident enough to take on the few remaining?
They had them circled that's why, before hand they kind of rushed the guards so they were not in form. If they attacked them in that scenario they would get hit from their blind spots.

[Silvermyst]

1Ttjab5Y2nY

I love that song! OMG One Republic :wtf



On topic: I'd like to see Zuko learn to control lightning himself.

[Raiden]

And yeah, Mai and Ty Lee's capture made little sense at all. Mai takes out a shitload of guards single handedly, then when she and Ty Lee betray Azula, somehow they don't feel confident enough to take on the few remaining?

Only Mai admitted she was afraid of Azula, but I'm guessing that they were both afraid of her. It's that fair that probably threw them both off. Fighting would not have made much of a difference anyway since there was no chance of them escaping Boiling Rock/Azula's clutches.