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Stallyns808
12-15-2007, 06:30 AM
Whats wrong with Sokka taking down a badass once in a while. It makes a perfect reason for Sokka to take down the assassin, since his weakness is the eye on his forehead.

If Sokka used his sword and either cut off Combustion Man's head or stabbed him, it would be far more believable. Instead a fucking boomerang takes down Combustion Man. That was some serious bull shit! :arg Zuko taking down Combustion Man would have been far better. Instead he draws the short straw as usual and get's owned easily. Zuko has been portayed as one of the physically strongest characters in the series, he should atleast have put a dent in CM or got in a good hit, but he was made his bitch instead.

Gamble
12-15-2007, 06:35 AM
Well its a matter of opinion. Love how everyoneenjoys calling himcombustion man lol :nod

The directors (and Sokka) had officially named him Combustion Man, and since we don't have another name for him...Combustion Man it is :awesome

@lk3mizt
12-15-2007, 07:03 AM
i see episode 12 discussion! :yell

DDL links please?

Vasp
12-15-2007, 07:15 AM
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D694YSZ3

Posted by Emery.... ON THE PAGE BEFORE THIS ONE :facepalm

@lk3mizt
12-15-2007, 07:19 AM
:lmao, thanks!! :love

Tuxx
12-15-2007, 07:45 AM
With the guilt Zuko is feeling, I predict he's going to have to take a hit for Katara. Better yet, I think he will...soon.

\zol
12-15-2007, 08:13 AM
Another ddl from me(unrar'd): http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Q81PXAIT

*Watches now*

Shamandalie
12-15-2007, 08:47 AM
The new episode was serrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriously amazing. I really really really liked it.

As for Sokka taking out Sparky Sparky Boom Man, it was completely fair and logical. They couldn't get close to him and this was a great and effective solution... and FEEL THE POWER OF THE BOOMERANG. Zuko was hilarious in the episode.

General Mustang
12-15-2007, 09:41 AM
I gotta watch this, stupid downloads wont download for me >.<

Jove
12-15-2007, 10:04 AM
Alright, this is borderline malfeasance on Nickelodeon's part. The premature airings of 306-309 on UK Nick was understandable. The episodes were provided to them, and UK Nick made the seemlingly illogical decision to air every episode within a week, while other networks maintained decency and orthodoxy.

This, on the other hand, is preposturous. This means that Nickelodeon provided 312 to YTV, despite the fact that they would not air the episode themselves until January at the earliest. I suppose they suspected that the fanbase that avoids spoilers and foreign aired shows, infuriated people like myself, would avoid the inevitable uploads, despite the current hiatus. At least with the UK Nick fiasco there were new episodes to watch each week. Now it's either retreat into a vacuum or relent. This is irrefutable proof that Nickelodeon truly despises the indigenous fanbase of Avatar, and has completely renounced whatever loyalty they have to the show. :mad

Seriously though, Canadians, consider yourselves lucky to have YTV. Those guys really know what they're doing on the Avatar front.



Now, here's some good news: 313's title has been released! It is:

The Firebending Masters Pretty interesting choice. That it's plural is really intriguing. I wonder if it means we'll be seeing Jeong-Jeong again.

Mat®icha
12-15-2007, 10:11 AM
thanx for the links. yay.

Graham Aker
12-15-2007, 10:41 AM
So, all Aang learned in "The Avatar and the Fire Lord" all down the fucking drain. Aang and crew, except for Toph, and the 3 fillers, were being jerks. Sure its understandable that Sokka and Katara might distrust him, but Aang? After ep. 6, after the lesson he learned from Roku? Pft, bullshit! and that Katara bit in the end, gosh WTF?! After crying like a little bitch when she Blood Bended, she's making death threats now? Fuck, this episode failed, especially Sokka and his fucking boomerang. FAIL! :yell
/fanboy

Okay, I've calmed now, it really is a good episode. :lmao
And I love the funny Zuko bits, and also him being part of the group. I cant wait for the next episode.

Hio
12-15-2007, 10:57 AM
Awesome episode:awesome

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 12:02 PM
have you non canadians saw the ep yet?

General Mustang
12-15-2007, 12:05 PM
Finally found this on youtube....great episode

Noah
12-15-2007, 12:50 PM
Episode 12:


I'm going with Sokka as the one to take Combustion Man down.
Page 129. Then a dozen people proceeded to "lolno". Yeah. Well. Who called it, bitches? :awesome

Anyway. I didn't really like Zuko this episode. His face turn makes him seem like a completely different character, and Zuko comedy bits really don't work well.

Toph, despite being a spoiled brat most of the show, is probably the most sensible out of them all. She realized she snuck up on Zuko and realized it was an accident, whereas the others probably wouldn't if it happened to them.

Sokka is win, plain and simple. I really didn't see any other way for Combustion Man to go out. These kids don't kill, so any villain who has died so far has always been because of their own idiocies. Ozai will probably go out in the same fashion; he'll be in checkmate, but still try to make that last move and end up ending his own life.

Katara's threat was great, especially since now she really knows that she can back it up. Just give her an episode or two and she'll be back to being all gay and apologetic again.

LIL_M0
12-15-2007, 12:57 PM
Wow, I had given up on watching ep 12 before 2008. Thanks for the ddl. :awesome

It's on stage-6 as well. :awesome
http://www.stage6.com/user/Jetwave2007/video/1951644/Jetstream-ATLAB

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 01:25 PM
So what do you guys think will happen next ep? Well other then Zuko teching Aang...

General Mustang
12-15-2007, 01:42 PM
I hope we see Iroh soon :(

Hio
12-15-2007, 01:44 PM
So what do you guys think will happen next ep? Well other then Zuko teching Aang...

Zuko will earn Katara trust:pek by saving Gaang and defeating Combustuin Man

Raiden
12-15-2007, 01:49 PM
Can someone please provide other links, I can't watch it with the ones given so far.

Edit:

I think it's working now, forget it.

Graham Aker
12-15-2007, 01:52 PM
So what do you guys think will happen next ep? Well other then Zuko teching Aang...
Iroh, Kataara being bitchy lawl, maybe some Toph Zuko bits? Ah, I think they'll discover something in the Western Air Temple, like maybe about Avatar Yangchen.

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 01:56 PM
Zuko will earn Katara trust:pek by saving Gaang and defeating Combustuin Man
the cyclope-bender is already dead tho...
Iroh, Kataara being bitchy lawl, maybe some Toph Zuko bits? Ah, I think they'll discover something in the Western Air Temple, like maybe about Avatar Yangchen.
lol Sokka will dominate next ep by killing some evil guy

Raiden
12-15-2007, 02:01 PM
Alright, the links are seriously not working for me. I've tried both opening and saving them. Can someone please provide other links and also, how long does it usually take to download?

Gamble
12-15-2007, 02:06 PM
Iroh, Kataara being bitchy lawl, maybe some Toph Zuko bits? Ah, I think they'll discover something in the Western Air Temple, like maybe about Avatar Yangchen.

I agree for the most part here. Katara being distrustful and all in ep 12 was pretty cool, as it's not really a side we've seen from her, or really any of the characters in Aang's group. However, being emo and relentless gets boring after the 5-10 minute hype of it, and I'm dreading hearing every other word out of her mouth is how much of a failure Zuko is.

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 02:09 PM
Alright, the links are seriously not working for me. I've tried both opening and saving them. Can someone please provide other links and also, how long does it usually take to download?
idk, i saw on TV
I agree for the most part here. Katara being distrustful and all in ep 12 was pretty cool, as it's not really a side we've seen from her, or really any of the characters in Aang's group. However, being emo and relentless gets boring after the 5-10 minute hype of it, and I'm dreading hearing every other word out of her mouth is how much of a failure Zuko is.
I feel bad for Zuko, He tries to become a nice guy and they rejected him just because he has done some stupid shit in the past. But when he KILLS someonne, now he's sorta nice. They have a croocked way of justice.

Gamble
12-15-2007, 02:15 PM
hay Roy lol i'm gonna kill you to prove i'm a cool kid at class 'kay

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 02:16 PM
you fucking trendwhore :pek

Gamble
12-15-2007, 02:18 PM
I just want friends who accept me for the pathological liar and schitzo-psycho case that I am :(

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 02:24 PM
I thought you were Juubi's friend?:huh

Hio
12-15-2007, 02:39 PM
the cyclope-bender is already dead tho...

:pek I don't think he's dead

Triggerhappy69
12-15-2007, 02:41 PM
Episode was win :amuse

I think you're all being a little too hard on Zuko. To me, it didn't exactly look like he was being completely dead serious when fighting Combustion Man. It actually looked like he was trying to just get him to stop and go away. Plus, fire benders need a little more space to actually go all out. The space they were in was pretty narrow.

Anyways, I'm glad Zuko's on the team now. If nothing else, it should make for some comedy gold.

Raiden
12-15-2007, 02:42 PM
Just saw the episode


Wow, it was something. Combustion Man killed himself, I had a felling that it would go down that way:/ Zuko's new attitude left me a little astonished though, I've never seen him so light hearted. Katara's attitude toward him was no surprise since she's suffered much under the Fire Nations rein, losing her mother and other bonds important to her.

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 02:44 PM
:pek I don't think he's dead

Just saw the episode


Wow, it was something. Combustion Man killed himself, I had a felling that it would go down that way:/ Zuko's new attitude left me a little astonished though, I've never seen him so light hearted. Katara's attitude toward him was no surprise since she's suffered much under the Fire Nations rein, losing her mother and other bonds important to her.

Both Sokka and Zuko blew him to shreds :pek

And I liek his new attitude.

Gamble
12-15-2007, 02:46 PM
Just saw the episode


Wow, it was something. Combustion Man killed himself, I had a felling that it would go down that way:/ Zuko's new attitude left me a little astonished though, I've never seen him so light hearted. Katara's attitude toward him was no surprise since she's suffered much under the Fire Nations rein, losing her mother and other bonds important to her.

I think the fact that Zuko betrayed her in the second season finale is what really pushed her over on distrusting him, but yeah Zuko himself did play a large role in the despair Katara has felt, let alone the entire fire nation

LIL_M0
12-15-2007, 03:02 PM
I really liked the design of the Western Air Temple.

Shinji-san
12-15-2007, 03:31 PM
Dah, this episode kind of hurt to watch.

Zuko acting trying to explain his goodness was painful. I found the funniest parts to be when he was talking to the frog, haha. Anyway, good episode, I completely forgot about Sparky Sparky Boom Man.

Yeah, I see the major reason why everyone REALLY distrusts Zuko is the betrayal at Ba Sing Se. Katara was getting close to him, feeling the pity and sorrow, but in the end, he stabs her in the back. Totally understandable. The threat was mainly made to express her fear for Aang. He had almost died once, she doesn't want to trust his safety to someone so dangerous.

Shinji-san
12-15-2007, 03:38 PM
The Western Air Temple was odd. Upside down buildings that are carved and mounted to the underside of a cliff. Not my idea of a safe home, haha.

Just wanted to be sure, the North and South temples were for male monks while the East and West were for females correct?

Amatsu
12-15-2007, 04:00 PM
Damn... It's just too bad Katara always has to be a PMSing bitch all the time. I know it was justified towards Zuko, but you would think she'd at least trust Aang's judgement. Heck Aang wouldn't let Zuko teach him if he felt Zuko would just betray them again. Besides Aang is giving Zuko the benefit of the doubt and even Toph is giving Zuko a second chance. Even Sokka is willing to give Zuko a chance. Katara just took things way too far.

Gamble
12-15-2007, 04:07 PM
Damn... It's just too bad Katara always has to be a PMSing bitch all the time. I know it was justified towards Zuko, but you would think she'd at least trust Aang's judgement. Heck Aang wouldn't let Zuko teach him if he felt Zuko would just betray them again. Besides Aang is giving Zuko the benefit of the doubt and even Toph is giving Zuko a second chance. Even Sokka is willing to give Zuko a chance. Katara just took things way too far.

none of them got close to Zuko and was betrayed like Katara was, so she would know his personality better than any of the group. I can understand her judgement and feelings about the matter. She trusted Aang, which is why she agreed to have Zuko come along.

Shinji-san
12-15-2007, 04:11 PM
I dunno, I still find that through her reasoning, her actions are justified. Say someone had been hunting down your loved one, giving you no moments rest, always afraid that your loved one will get captured. This builds up a lot of stress and resentment towards that person hunting you down. She had been betrayed once and that almost cost Aang's death, she doesn't want it to happen again.

Amatsu
12-15-2007, 04:11 PM
Yeah but I also have to agree that the lesson Aang learned from Roku basically went down the drain. I really thought that episode between Roku and Sozin would lead Aang into giving Zuko a chance. Instead he pretty much just flipped Zuko the bird until Zuko proved himself against combustion man.

Gunners
12-15-2007, 04:12 PM
I think she took shit too far to be truthful, at the end of the day he is a confused 15 year old.

Gamble
12-15-2007, 04:15 PM
Yeah but I also have to agree that the lesson Aang learned from Roku basically went down the drain. I really thought that episode between Roku and Sozin would lead Aang into giving Zuko a chance. Instead he pretty much just flipped Zuko the bird until Zuko proved himself against combustion man.

Wait, lesson from Roku and Sozin? If anything I'd think he took that lesson into 100% consideration, seeing as Sozin ended up betraying Roku and letting him die there :lmao

Amatsu
12-15-2007, 04:34 PM
Wait, lesson from Roku and Sozin? If anything I'd think he took that lesson into 100% consideration, seeing as Sozin ended up betraying Roku and letting him die there :lmao

but that wasn't the point of the lesson at all.

Seto Kaiba
12-15-2007, 04:36 PM
I think she took shit too far to be truthful, at the end of the day he is a confused 15 year old.

Zuko is 17-18 IIRC, and yeah, Katara seemed to come off as quite a bitch...understandable, but still...

Pimp of Pimps
12-15-2007, 04:51 PM
I think this was a pretty good episode.

I understand the doubt they have for Zuko, but I still think they took it too far this episode. It makes sense that Toph would be the one to think that maybe he is telling the truth since she hasn't suffered greatly from his actions. It also makes sense that Sokka and Katara wouldn't trust him at all, but Katara was way too harsh and stupid. Aang I think was the first to want to give him a chance, but the others (mostly Kara and Sokka) made him think again.

Now Katara was the real bitch. I can completely understand her hating Zuko, but she really took it way too far. Even when Aang reminded her that he burned her before. She was just too harsh. Even going so far as to say he isn't an actually human being with feelings. Doubt him, but don't be a complete bitch about.

I half-expected Zuko to bow down or something when he met them first.

Also, Sokka's boomerang move was complete win.

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 04:56 PM
I think this was a pretty good episode.

I understand the doubt they have for Zuko, but I still think they took it too far this episode. It makes sense that Toph would be the one to think that maybe he is telling the truth since she hasn't suffered greatly from his actions. It also makes sense that Sokka and Katara wouldn't trust him at all, but Katara was way too harsh and stupid. Aang I think was the first to want to give him a chance, but the others (mostly Kara and Sokka) made him think again.

Now Katara was the real bitch. I can completely understand her hating Zuko, but she really took it way too far. Even when Aang reminded her that he burned her before. She was just too harsh. Even going so far as to say he isn't an actually human being with feelings. Doubt him, but don't be a complete bitch about.

I half-expected Zuko to bow down or something when he met them first.

Also, Sokka's boomerang move was complete win.

i agree on everything above, and the last sentence is the fucking truth of truths

Amatsu
12-15-2007, 05:01 PM
Yeah Sokka winning with a lucky shot is awesome...

But yeah Katara needs to get her heart literally ripped out by Azula.

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 05:02 PM
What do you mean "luck"? It was pure mathmatical skill :pek

Amatsu
12-15-2007, 05:08 PM
Because Sokka doesn't actually have skill so it was a lucky shot.

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 05:10 PM
In 2-3 episodes, Sokka will dominate filler characters like Aang, and Zuko, and become the new fire lord.

FACT

Pimp of Pimps
12-15-2007, 05:13 PM
Yeah Sokka winning with a lucky shot is awesome...
.

Because Sokka doesn't actually have skill so it was a lucky shot.

:rotfl

How was it luck?

Cooli
12-15-2007, 05:17 PM
There are a few similarities but not enough to call it a rip-off
There are many things that make them different

Hio
12-15-2007, 05:17 PM
Sokka is badass:pek

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 05:17 PM
There are a few similarities but not enough to call it a rip-off
There are many things that make them different

What the fuck?

Pimp of Pimps
12-15-2007, 05:18 PM
Sokka is badass:pek

I know rite.

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 05:19 PM
Sokka is badass:pek

reps .

Amatsu
12-15-2007, 05:26 PM
:rotfl

How was it luck?

Because he totally wasn't aiming to make combustion man self destruct?

Pimp of Pimps
12-15-2007, 05:45 PM
But he was aiming to him him, and he did.

Dimezanime88
12-15-2007, 05:57 PM
I can't wait until I sit down and watch this! Damn me and studying for finals!:(

Gunners
12-15-2007, 06:10 PM
Sokka tore shit up. In the coming episodes Zuko will probably do something to gain Katara's trust. I don't know why he didn't just tell them everything the fact that he actually attacked his dad, what his dad made his mother do, his relationship with Roku and shit.

Really Toph was the only one who actually acted like a human with compassion that episode, the rest were pretty cold hearted.

Amatsu
12-15-2007, 06:10 PM
But he was aiming to him him, and he did.

Yeah but say Sokka's hit hadn't made him self destruct. The Gaang would have been screwed. While it may have been a good shot it was still luck.

Misha-San
12-15-2007, 06:33 PM
Zuko should name his frog and keep him as a pet. Lol

Zuko: Hi Frogger!

*frog runs away*

Zuko: 0_o

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 06:40 PM
lol avatar toad

Juubi
12-15-2007, 06:40 PM
Something.

Aethos, it feels like forever since we've last talked! Where the hell have you been?:pek

This is Juubi, btw.

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 06:43 PM
Juubi Ascendant?:WOW

Noah
12-15-2007, 06:45 PM
Hello everybody who hasn't yet seen the episode but has had it all spoiled because no one believes in spoiler tagging shit that came out unofficially less than 12 hours ago!

Anyway.

Katara was a super bitch, but I like how everyone seems to forget one important thing. This one thing, is the sole reason she's such an unforgiving bitch in this episode. It's a thing that plagues all girls of her age and makes them act that way.

She's a 14-15 year old girl. She has no logic, only emotion and egomania.

....and she probably started bleeding on the way to the temple.

Juubi
12-15-2007, 06:49 PM
Juubi Ascendant?:WOW

Lol. I've been Ascendant for, like, two weeks.:lmao

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 06:51 PM
way to overkill me in rep, you jewish bastard :pek

Hio
12-15-2007, 06:52 PM
Hello Juubi, Zuko will slaps Katara:mad

Juubi
12-15-2007, 07:01 PM
Lol.

Take pride in the fact that you guys helped me get there.:del

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 07:04 PM
Hello Juubi, Zuko will slaps Katara:mad
Sokka and Zuko will gang raep Katara so she will have an actual reason to bitch, in ep 13
Lol.

Take pride in the fact that you guys helped me get there.:del
not unless i get some green passion in return :pek

Kilowog
12-15-2007, 07:06 PM
Good episode, Zuko was so funny, lol avatoad and I must say Katara was supremely bitchy.

Amatsu
12-15-2007, 07:14 PM
Aethos, it feels like forever since we've last talked! Where the hell have you been?:pek

This is Juubi, btw.

ironically enough I've been spending any time here in the Higurashi thread. Probably no wonder why you've missed me, and if you hadn't told me who you were I'd have never known who the heck you are. XD

But nice to see you again Juubi.

Yeah after this episode I'd love to see Katara fall flat on her face hard just so Zuko can look better in comparison to her. It'd be perfect revenge for Katara the super bitch.

Juubi
12-15-2007, 07:20 PM
Lol. It's good to see you again.:sag

Also, I'm watching the new ep. atm. I should've watched it yesterday, but I was busy doing other things.[/blasphemy]

plox
12-15-2007, 07:20 PM
wow people are fast at uploading episodes

i just watched episode 12 on TV yesterday

xwx
12-15-2007, 07:22 PM
This episode was really good.
I expect Iroh to join them and teach both Zuko and Aang how to bend lightning.(and sy mentioned that the next episode title would be Firebending masters, so I really hope for Iroh's coming)
and katara.... I got scared...

Dimezanime88
12-15-2007, 07:25 PM
When Zuko was talking to the group, how come Toph didn't use her senses to tell on whether he was lying or not?


NEVERMIND! I'm talking while watching.

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 07:26 PM
wow people are fast at uploading episodes

i just watched episode 12 on TV yesterday

FUCK YES! Another Canadian :awesome

Amatsu
12-15-2007, 07:28 PM
Lol. It's good to see you again.:sag

Also, I'm watching the new ep. atm. I should've watched it yesterday, but I was busy doing other things.[/blasphemy]

Hope you enjoy the episode.

Tch as far as I'm concerned I don't hate Katara, but I do hate what Katara did this episode and I'd love to see her ego and pride get crushed, and in the process make Zuko look good in comparison. It would just be so satisfying after what she did.

plox
12-15-2007, 07:31 PM
FUCK YES! Another Canadian :awesome

Yeah CANADIANS!!
i felt so speacil until about 10 min ago
i thought i was one of the few people that had the chance to watch avatar on tv before other people

By the way how do people get the episodes of TV and on the internet like how do they record it?

Dark Dragon
12-15-2007, 07:39 PM
What's up with all the Katara hate? :oh

Zuko has played the "I am a good guy" card on Katara in the prisons of Ba Sing Se, and he ended up betraying her, which led to Aang's "death."

He's doing the exact same thing here in the Western Air Temple, which is why Katara doesn't trust him at all like Aang, Toph, and Sokka do.

Katara, in my opinion, is perfectly justified in her actions towards Zuko.

Dimezanime88
12-15-2007, 07:39 PM
i felt so speacil until about 10 min ago
i thought i was one of the few people that had the chance to watch avatar on tv before other people

I dislike people like you.

plox
12-15-2007, 07:44 PM
I dislike people like you.

i dont really care what you like

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 07:49 PM
Yeah CANADIANS!!
i felt so speacil until about 10 min ago
i thought i was one of the few people that had the chance to watch avatar on tv before other people

By the way how do people get the episodes of TV and on the internet like how do they record it?
Ya, this means we get to see ep 13 before everyone else:awesome
I dislike people like you.
Stop hatin'

Dimezanime88
12-15-2007, 07:49 PM
i dont really care what you like

Of course you don't; you're "special", remember?:zaru

Amatsu
12-15-2007, 07:50 PM
What's up with all the Katara hate? :oh

Zuko has played the "I am a good guy" card on Katara in the prisons of Ba Sing Se, and he ended up betraying her, which led to Aang's "death."

He's doing the exact same thing here in the Western Air Temple, which is why Katara doesn't trust him at all like Aang, Toph, and Sokka do.

Katara, in my opinion, is perfectly justified in her actions towards Zuko.

and it was Azula who killed Aang not Zuko. Not to mention Zuko was hesitant when he joined in that fight. He was far too conflicted to turn good by that point. Until he saw that his father giving him back his honor meant nothing he couldn't turn good.

Dimezanime88
12-15-2007, 07:50 PM
Ya, this means we get to see ep 13 before everyone else:awesome

Stop hatin'

Hatin' what? His/her comment was ridiculous.

nehnehneji
12-15-2007, 07:55 PM
Lol, I thought Zuko's impersonations were very good, especially of Uncle Iroh!

secret_toad
12-15-2007, 07:55 PM
Hatin' what? His/her comment was ridiculous.

I dont see what was ridiculous about his comment.
anyways im confused
is sparky sparky boom boom man dead? and i agree with katara he has been betrayed before so its justifyed why she is suspicious of zuko.

whens the next episode coming ?

The Drunken Monkey
12-15-2007, 07:56 PM
I hate how the crew is treating Zuko. >_>

Makes me feel sorry for him, even though he can be a bitch at times.

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 07:58 PM
:pek


sure

Dark Dragon
12-15-2007, 07:59 PM
and it was Azula who killed Aang not Zuko. Not to mention Zuko was hesitant when he joined in that fight. He was far too conflicted to turn good by that point. Until he saw that his father giving him back his honor meant nothing he couldn't turn good.


and if Zuko hadn't joined Azula's side during that battle in Ba Sing Se, Azula probably would have lost and not have had the opportunity to kill Aang, considering that Katara and Aang had her cornered until Zuko came and made it a two on two match. And him being "conflicted" at that time is not the point. Put yourself in Katara's shoes. Here's a guy who gained your trust then betrays you. Now, Zuko's back again and is basically doing the same thing he did in Ba Sing Se, he is trying to convince everyone he's not the bad guy they thought he was.

Dimezanime88
12-15-2007, 08:03 PM
Ok, let me school the people in here on recognizing greediness or at least being conceited:

i felt so speacil until about 10 min ago
i thought i was one of the few people that had the chance to watch avatar on tv before other people

He/she said that she felt special until she found out that everyone else got to watch the episode as well. It's a freaking tv show; what's the big deal of catching it before anyone else? Do you win an award?:zaru

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 08:10 PM
Ok, let me school the people in here on recognizing greediness or at least being conceited:

i felt so speacil until about 10 min ago
i thought i was one of the few people that had the chance to watch avatar on tv before other people

He/she said that she felt special until she found out that everyone else got to watch the episode as well. It's a freaking tv show; what's the big deal of catching it before anyone else? Do you win an award?:zaru

oh i see where you coming from

lol i win

Amatsu
12-15-2007, 08:12 PM
and if Zuko hadn't joined Azula's side during that battle in Ba Sing Se, Azula probably would have lost and not have had the opportunity to kill Aang, considering that Katara and Aang had her cornered until Zuko came and made it a two on two match. And him being "conflicted" at that time is not the point. Put yourself in Katara's shoes. Here's a guy who gained your trust then betrays you. Now, Zuko's back again and is basically doing the same thing he did in Ba Sing Se, he is trying to convince everyone he's not the bad guy they thought he was.

But they weren't together long enough in the cell to gain each other's trust. After all Katara even stated in this episode that she believed Zuko was not an actual human being. Katara was just able to see Zuko's more vulnerable side in the dungeon because of his confliction. That doesn't mean he was being deceptive or anything. He was being honest with Katara, but he never said once that he would join their side.

Besides put yourself in Zuko's shoes. As Zuko said he needed to learn that honor is something you gain through doing the right thing. Throughout season 2 Zuko didn't know what the right thing was. Yes he made a bad choice in Ba Sing Se, but he realized that and has come to terms with his mistakes and his foolishness in the past, and the first half of season 3 showed greatly that Zuko needed to learn for himself that what he wanted and what he had believed to be right throughout the entire course of the series was the wrong choice and wasn't what he really wanted at all. There would have been no way Zuko would have been able to learn this except from experience. After all Iroh tried to bring Zuko on the right path, but in the end failed because as I said Zuko is the kind of person who can't just change on a whim, and it was through the first half of season 3 that Zuko found his reason to change.

But I'm getting off topic a bit I think. My point is that in that cell in Ba Sing Se. Katara really didn't know Zuko at all. At least enough where she could remotely begin to trust him. I think that Katara's judgement on Zuko was unjust. She was just being a bitch.

fireofthewill
12-15-2007, 08:37 PM
Yeah, I think the Gaang acted extremely reasonably. Remember, unlike us, they know nothing about what Zuko has gone through. Instead of Zuko, imagine what would have happened if Azula tried to join their team. In this instance, its pretty clear that if they had accepted her, team Aang would be dead. Now, ignoring the skill differences, from the Gaang's perspective: Zuko is essentially the same as Azula.

Look, I felt really sorry for Zuko, but I think its ridiculous how pissed off you guys are getting at the Gaang. So far, Zuko has given them no reason to trust them (they don't know about him saving Appa with absolute certainty) and has given them every reason to be cautious. Every redeeming thing he's done has been done without the Gaang's knowledge. The Gaang knows so little that they have no more reason to trust Zuko than they have to trust Azula, and we all know how devastating it would be if they trusted somebody like Azula.

Plus, for the people who quoted the Avatar and the Firelord story, you should remember the moral: Everybody has the ability to turn good or evil. However, it says nothing about whether a person can change paths in the middle of life. Remember, once Ozai had become determined to conquer the world, he never became good again. I thought the point of the story was more like: Anybody, from any environment, can be good, which means that many people in the firenation are good and we shouldn't distrust them just because they're from the firenation. However, it never mentioned anything about trusting people who have repeatedly committed evil actions to turn good again.

JB the Jedi
12-15-2007, 08:48 PM
Just when I thought I wouldn't be seeing Combustion Man again, BAM ! there he is, and he gets defeated by Sokka. :nuts what more could you ask for? lol

It's nice to see Zuko on the team, even tho he hasn't fully gained the trust of the crew. I would like to see how he trains Aang and what it takes for Aang to master fire bending.

That last scene of the episode, Katara = Gangsta !

Fan o Flight
12-15-2007, 08:52 PM
Wow. Im not liking katara.

JB the Jedi
12-15-2007, 09:01 PM
So when do we get a new episode?

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 10:21 PM
ep 13? next week in canada (i love being canadian)

Pimp of Pimps
12-15-2007, 10:27 PM
Yeah but say Sokka's hit hadn't made him self destruct. The Gaang would have been screwed. While it may have been a good shot it was still luck.

He meant to hit him. And he did so how was that luck?

I'm not even talking about the explosion, I'm talking about the fact that Sokka hit a target he couldn't even see.

Amatsu
12-15-2007, 10:36 PM
He meant to hit him. And he did so how was that luck?

I'm not even talking about the explosion, I'm talking about the fact that Sokka hit a target he couldn't even see.

I was talking more on the explosion. I mean the fact that Sokka hit combustion man in such a way to make him self destruct from his own attack was pure luck. There's no way Sokka was planning for that. So yeah Sokka won by a lucky hit because any other hit he would have gotten against combustion man wouldn't have done anything except annoy combustion man and up his attack.

Pimp of Pimps
12-15-2007, 10:41 PM
I was talking more on the explosion. I mean the fact that Sokka hit combustion man in such a way to make him self destruct from his own attack was pure luck. There's no way Sokka was planning for that. So yeah Sokka won by a lucky hit because any other hit he would have gotten against combustion man wouldn't have done anything except annoy combustion man and up his attack.

I don't even know why you brought up the explosion. :zaru

Sokka just wanted to hit him, and managed to win because of that. It's true he was lucky that hitting combustion man there caused him to self-destruct, but it was still a product of Sokka's skill.

If he randomly threw the boomerang and it hit, then I could understand. But Sokka clearly has a shitload of skill to be able to calculate all hthat to hit an enemy he couldn't even see.

Sylar
12-15-2007, 10:47 PM
You know what this episode means?

No moar Zutara. :zaru

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 10:48 PM
ZuTara is DEAD

Misha-San
12-15-2007, 11:06 PM
Lol thats not what the Zutara fans think

Gaiash
12-15-2007, 11:07 PM
You know what this episode means?

No moar Zutara. :zaru
True supporters still like the pairing because they like the characters as a couple. For example I still like the pairing of Harry Potter and Cho Chang despite the fact that there was no chance for them to get back together and the books are over. The same goes with Avatar, I know we'll never see Anji again but I'm still an Aanji supporter (I think I'm the only Aanji supporter, at least in this thread) because I thought Aang and Anji looked cute together.

Misha-San
12-15-2007, 11:11 PM
Let them ship it even though its not gonna happen. I just wish they wouldn't like rub it in other shipper's faces.

C_Akutabi
12-15-2007, 11:24 PM
You know what this episode means?

No moar Zutara. :zaru

How? Most of them are now saying they'll be a big moment soon enough where Zuko finally gains Katara's trust again. Not necessarily romance but they'll be on much more friendly terms. And such a situation seems pretty likely to happen.

JB the Jedi
12-15-2007, 11:24 PM
ep 13? next week in canada (i love being canadian)

what about the US?

Roy Mustang
12-15-2007, 11:37 PM
what about the US?

ep 12 has not aired in US yet, only in canada, so its unlikely

Misha-San
12-15-2007, 11:46 PM
Nick havent said anything about airing it yet. =(

Sunuvmann
12-15-2007, 11:51 PM
One word for this episode: Awkward.

Lulz @ Zuko imitating Iroh and Azula xDDD, froggy is awesome.

"In a lifetime of evil its a good thing he didn't add animal cruelty to the list" XD

"I'm beginning to wonder who's really the blind one around here" Toph is perpetual win.

"Why am I so bad at being good?!" :arg

This episode is filled with great lines. But Team Avatar save for Toph are perpetually stupid in this episode >_<

CAPTAIN EXPLODO! O SHI- ZUKO OF THE JUNGLE!

WOOT! GOOD ENDING!

They really should know the phrase, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Before the series ends, Katara will blood bend Zuko, I'm calling it right now.

kewlmyc
12-15-2007, 11:51 PM
what about the US?

Q1 2008. Yea, it sucks. Wish I was in Canada.

Amatsu
12-15-2007, 11:57 PM
I don't even know why you brought up the explosion. :zaru

Sokka just wanted to hit him, and managed to win because of that. It's true he was lucky that hitting combustion man there caused him to self-destruct, but it was still a product of Sokka's skill.

If he randomly threw the boomerang and it hit, then I could understand. But Sokka clearly has a shitload of skill to be able to calculate all hthat to hit an enemy he couldn't even see.

I thought the episode with Sokka's Master basically showed that Sokka was the least skilled, and while he's skilled now in using a sword I really don't see how that makes him a skilled fighter with any other weapon.

Still I guess I'll just take your word for it.

Pimp of Pimps
12-16-2007, 12:01 AM
I thought the episode with Sokka's Master basically showed that Sokka was the least skilled, and while he's skilled now in using a sword I really don't see how that makes him a skilled fighter with any other weapon.

Still I guess I'll just take your word for it.

Lol whut.

He's not unskilled by any means. I mean he was taking on full fledged fire bending soldiers in the invasion with ease. He's not as skilled as say Aang in a pure fight but he's still pretty skilled.

The Question
12-16-2007, 12:27 AM
One word for this episode: Awkward.

Lulz @ Zuko imitating Iroh and Azula xDDD, froggy is awesome.

"In a lifetime of evil its a good thing he didn't add animal cruelty to the list" XD

"I'm beginning to wonder who's really the blind one around here" Toph is perpetual win.

"Why am I so bad at being good?!" :arg

This episode is filled with great lines. But Team Avatar save for Toph are perpetually stupid in this episode >_<

CAPTAIN EXPLODO! O SHI- ZUKO OF THE JUNGLE!

WOOT! GOOD ENDING!

They really should know the phrase, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Before the series ends, Katara will blood bend Zuko, I'm calling it right now.

Hmm, you could be right about the blood bending. I could see her misinterpreting something Zuko does, get pissed, and do something she'll later regret. While her anger isn't unwarranted since Aang and Co. know nothing of what Zuko's gone through, it's very possible that she may take her anger and suspicion too far and let it control her.

I'd like to see Toph and Zuko develop a brother/sister relationship, but I suppose we'll have to see.

Stallyns808
12-16-2007, 12:32 AM
I'd like to see Toph and Zuko develop a brother/sister relationship, but I suppose we'll have to see.

I believe most fans are waiting to see the interaction between the top two characters in the show.

Roy Mustang
12-16-2007, 12:34 AM
One word for this episode: Awkward.

Lulz @ Zuko imitating Iroh and Azula xDDD, froggy is awesome.

"In a lifetime of evil its a good thing he didn't add animal cruelty to the list" XD

"I'm beginning to wonder who's really the blind one around here" Toph is perpetual win.

"Why am I so bad at being good?!" :arg

This episode is filled with great lines. But Team Avatar save for Toph are perpetually stupid in this episode >_<

CAPTAIN EXPLODO! O SHI- ZUKO OF THE JUNGLE!

WOOT! GOOD ENDING!

They really should know the phrase, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Before the series ends, Katara will blood bend Zuko, I'm calling it right now.

ZUKO OF THE JUNGLE!:awesome

Acidblood7
12-16-2007, 12:34 AM
can't believe even US Media Companies are outsourcing there shows to foreign countries now smile-big

Roy Mustang
12-16-2007, 12:41 AM
foreign countries?

Amatsu
12-16-2007, 12:43 AM
Lol whut.

He's not unskilled by any means. I mean he was taking on full fledged fire bending soldiers in the invasion with ease. He's not as skilled as say Aang in a pure fight but he's still pretty skilled.

Well Sokka is the plan guy. Aang, Katara, and Toph are the fighters that's how it's always been. It's easy to think that Sokka doesn't have skill... but okay sorry.

Stallyns808
12-16-2007, 12:43 AM
foreign countries?

Canada and UK. They got some episodes before the Americans did.

Im gonna be P.O.'d if Canada iTunes get's 312 and I won't be able to download it until they actually show the episode in America. Dammit I paid for the season pass, gimme the damn episode! :yell

Roy Mustang
12-16-2007, 12:46 AM
Why you gotta be hatin' on your neightboors, huh? :pek

Stallyns808
12-16-2007, 12:48 AM
Why you gotta be hatin' on your neightboors, huh? :pek

Not hating just P.O.'d we ain't getting it at the same friggin' time.

Roy Mustang
12-16-2007, 12:50 AM
:pekpissed off and hatin' are the same

Stallyns808
12-16-2007, 12:51 AM
:pekpissed off and hatin' are the same

Meh :P 10 Char

Pimp of Pimps
12-16-2007, 12:54 AM
Well Sokka is the plan guy. Aang, Katara, and Toph are the fighters that's how it's always been. It's easy to think that Sokka doesn't have skill... but okay sorry.

Damn right. :zaru

Roy Mustang
12-16-2007, 12:54 AM
:pek Sokka is canadian, deal with it, we won

Sunuvmann
12-16-2007, 01:15 AM
*blames Canada*

Well guys, think of it like this.

Team Avatar = FF Team

Aang = Red Mage (melee + bending magics)
Katara = White Mage + Blizzaga (healing + water stuff)
Toph = Geomancer
Sokka = Warrior

Yeah, I've been playing way too much FF3 (My roommate got me the DS game for Christmas :awesome)

Piekage
12-16-2007, 03:17 AM
That episode was.. awkward, but enjoyable nonetheless. I'm pleased they didn't just accept Zuko with open arms, and I can understand why they were so cold. Zuko won the episode though, with his impersonations and talking to himself. Still, it's odd seeing him so happy and repenting-like, considering the majority of the series he's anything but.

Gamble
12-16-2007, 04:20 AM
*blames Canada*

Well guys, think of it like this.

Team Avatar = FF Team

Aang = Red Mage (melee + bending magics)
Katara = White Mage + Blizzaga (healing + water stuff)
Toph = Geomancer
Sokka = Warrior

Yeah, I've been playing way too much FF3 (My roommate got me the DS game for Christmas :awesome)

FF reference was used=auto-agree.

Graham Aker
12-16-2007, 05:16 AM
You know what this episode means?

No moar Zutara. :zaru
Pft, it died when Katara became canon in Chapter 10. Zutara fans are just delusional. :awesome

Sokka = Warrior
HAHA! No :oh
I just cant take him seriously as a warrior.

Stallyns808
12-16-2007, 05:19 AM
*blames Canada*

:zaru :awesome :awesome :awesome :zaru

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wOzG7bBylRo&feature=related
:zaru :awesome :awesome :awesome :zaru

Vasp
12-16-2007, 06:30 AM
Speaking of that song, Canadian Broadcaster Teletoon has been showing SP:Bigger, Longer and Uncut (actually uncut and uncensored, which is surprising from this particular channel) pretty constantly this weekend. Friday+ Saturday late night so far, it's been on 4 times in this timezone alone, lol.

Back on topic, I'm wondering what they'll have in store for the next episode. Obviously there will be some sorts of fire training, but something has to happen to cause some tension or drama or just to really test Zuko's allegiance to the group.

Gamble
12-16-2007, 06:40 AM
Speaking of that song, Canadian Broadcaster Teletoon has been showing SP:Bigger, Longer and Uncut (actually uncut and uncensored, which is surprising from this particular channel) pretty constantly this weekend. Friday+ Saturday late night so far, it's been on 4 times in this timezone alone, lol.

Back on topic, I'm wondering what they'll have in store for the next episode. Obviously there will be some sorts of fire training, but something has to happen to cause some tension or drama or just to really test Zuko's allegiance to the group.

I'd imagine it'll be a few episodes before Anyone really trusts him. Next episode will probably have a lot of errors caused by Zuko only furthering their distrust. Basically I think it'll get worse before it gets better.

Roy Mustang
12-16-2007, 11:56 AM
*blames Canada*

Well guys, think of it like this.

Team Avatar = FF Team

Aang = Red Mage (melee + bending magics)
Katara = White Mage + Blizzaga (healing + water stuff)
Toph = Geomancer
Sokka = Warrior

Yeah, I've been playing way too much FF3 (My roommate got me the DS game for Christmas :awesome)

How does one both love and hate a post at the same tme?:pek

Sunuvmann
12-16-2007, 04:49 PM
Speaking of that song, Canadian Broadcaster Teletoon has been showing SP:Bigger, Longer and Uncut (actually uncut and uncensored, which is surprising from this particular channel) pretty constantly this weekend. Friday+ Saturday late night so far, it's been on 4 times in this timezone alone, lol.

Back on topic, I'm wondering what they'll have in store for the next episode. Obviously there will be some sorts of fire training, but something has to happen to cause some tension or drama or just to really test Zuko's allegiance to the group.
I agree. Azula coming? Nah, she's been spammed too much the last 2 seasons. I don't think we'll see much of her (save for a little bit here and there) until the end of the season. Iroh...nah they are probably saving him until the finale as well.

Goth chick ex. Highly likely. I'd see that within a few episodes if not next.

Circus freak. Likely as well. She comes across them and is like lol whut? And then upon returning creates drama among the girls.

Miscellaneous captain and regiment as fodder for Zuko to own, I'd say approaching 100% chance.

Oh and on Comedy Central, they have had the uncut version after 1, I've seen it like 3 times then.
How does one both love and hate a post at the same tme?:pek
Its part of my charm. :amuse

Roy Mustang
12-16-2007, 06:27 PM
I agree. Azula coming? Nah, she's been spammed too much the last 2 seasons. I don't think we'll see much of her (save for a little bit here and there) until the end of the season. Iroh...nah they are probably saving him until the finale as well.

Goth chick ex. Highly likely. I'd see that within a few episodes if not next.

Circus freak. Likely as well. She comes across them and is like lol whut? And then upon returning creates drama among the girls.

Miscellaneous captain and regiment as fodder for Zuko to own, I'd say approaching 100% chance.

Oh and on Comedy Central, they have had the uncut version after 1, I've seen it like 3 times then.

Its part of my charm. :amuse

that post is like a certain pikachu as hitler sig :pek

Nexas
12-16-2007, 09:52 PM
I can imagine the next couple episodes being very awkward for everyone.

But hey know that Zuko has finally joined their ranks they can now summon Captain Planet.

Gamble
12-16-2007, 10:14 PM
I can imagine the next couple episodes being very awkward for everyone.

But hey know that Zuko has finally joined their ranks they can now summon Captain Planet.

I vaguely remember there needing 5 different elements to summon him :pek I might be wrong, though.

The Cheat
12-16-2007, 10:16 PM
I vaguely remember there needing 5 different elements to summon him :pek I might be wrong, though.

Yes there were 5 elements.

Gamble
12-16-2007, 10:19 PM
Yes there were 5 elements.

Possessing a classically heroic, noble personality not unlike the one associated with characters such as Superman and He-Man, Captain Planet is formed by combining the powers of the rings of the five Planeteers, which represented the four Classical elements: Earth (wielded by Kwame), Fire (Wheeler), Wind (Linka), Water (Gi) - and the additional power of Heart (Ma-Ti).

What the hell :lmao

I guess Sokka can be "Heart," no matter how gay that would make him (in your face, Roy :hehee)

Roy Mustang
12-16-2007, 10:25 PM
FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

Senzairu
12-16-2007, 10:28 PM
Last new ep. was the Black Sun right?

So when's the new ep coming out?

Gamble
12-16-2007, 10:29 PM
FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

< 3

Roy Mustang
12-16-2007, 10:38 PM
Last new ep. was the Black Sun right?

So when's the new ep coming out?
it came out...in Canada :zaru

but its not internets now
< 3
:mad

masterriku
12-16-2007, 11:26 PM
it came out...in Canada :zaru

but its not internets now

:mad

huh I thought it was if so what the hell did i watch yesterday
:twitch

Roy Mustang
12-16-2007, 11:35 PM
porns ?

Sunuvmann
12-16-2007, 11:38 PM
Well I just like the balance of Team Avatar. There is a master of each of the elements there....and Sokka....:sag

On that note, considering Toph and Katara, both of the level 'masters' at the end of last season, have both gotten powerups beyond the normal standard of Earth and Water benders with metal and blood bending making them probably the most powerful Earth and Water benders in the world. That taken into account, we have Zuko who can't even make lightening. So before the end of the season, he is severely due for a power up.

Gamble
12-16-2007, 11:46 PM
Well I just like the balance of Team Avatar. There is a master of each of the elements there....and Sokka....:sag

On that note, considering Toph and Katara, both of the level 'masters' at the end of last season, have both gotten powerups beyond the normal standard of Earth and Water benders with metal and blood bending making them probably the most powerful Earth and Water benders in the world. That taken into account, we have Zuko who can't even make lightening. So before the end of the season, he is severely due for a power up.

The fact that 14-15 year olds are able to beat most (fodder) adults with ease is very weird :pek Zuko is weak. He needs awesome powerup, and he needs it now.

Sunuvmann
12-16-2007, 11:56 PM
The fact that 14-15 year olds are able to beat most (fodder) adults with ease is very weird :pek Zuko is weak. He needs awesome powerup, and he needs it now.
Lol. Shonen.

Stallyns808
12-17-2007, 12:22 AM
The fact that 14-15 year olds are able to beat most (fodder) adults with ease is very weird :pek Zuko is weak. He needs awesome powerup, and he needs it now.

If Zuko doesn't become fucking GAR once he's able to bend lightning it'll be major bullshit! :yell

Shinji-san
12-17-2007, 12:48 AM
That is the one factor I've always disliked about shows like this. Nameless people give the heros and major villans no trouble at all. Even in numbers, they are completely worthless.

You know, I've always kind of wondering, since the Fire Nation is like a dot in size compared to the Earth Kingdom, how big could their army be. Population wize, Fire Nation to Earth Kingdom should be like 1 > 6 or something...

Nexas
12-17-2007, 01:15 AM
That is the one factor I've always disliked about shows like this. Nameless people give the heros and major villans no trouble at all. Even in numbers, they are completely worthless.

You know, I've always kind of wondering, since the Fire Nation is like a dot in size compared to the Earth Kingdom, how big could their army be. Population wize, Fire Nation to Earth Kingdom should be like 1 > 6 or something...

Well there are a probably a ton of Fire Nation Colonies spread throughout the Earth Kingdom which sharply increases there numbers.

That brings up another interesting question. What is going to happen to all those Fire Nation colonist after the war? Are they all going to get deported back to their tiny little island or what?

Snow
12-17-2007, 01:27 AM
Well I just like the balance of Team Avatar. There is a master of each of the elements there....and Sokka....:sag

On that note, considering Toph and Katara, both of the level 'masters' at the end of last season, have both gotten powerups beyond the normal standard of Earth and Water benders with metal and blood bending making them probably the most powerful Earth and Water benders in the world. That taken into account, we have Zuko who can't even make lightening. So before the end of the season, he is severely due for a power up.

With Iroh's speech to Zuko I think Lightning bending- like blood bending for Katara- is supposed to be an evil offset. Unanimous with the "bad guys".

The whole "never let it pass through your heart" bit sums it up.

Sunuvmann
12-17-2007, 01:38 AM
That is the one factor I've always disliked about shows like this. Nameless people give the heros and major villans no trouble at all. Even in numbers, they are completely worthless.

You know, I've always kind of wondering, since the Fire Nation is like a dot in size compared to the Earth Kingdom, how big could their army be. Population wize, Fire Nation to Earth Kingdom should be like 1 > 6 or something...
Lol. Japan. Lol. China. Lol. Japan owning China.
Well there are a probably a ton of Fire Nation Colonies spread throughout the Earth Kingdom which sharply increases there numbers.

That brings up another interesting question. What is going to happen to all those Fire Nation colonist after the war? Are they all going to get deported back to their tiny little island or what?
Well perhaps they will if there is lasting peace be able to integrate into the Earth Kingdom. I mean I doubt Aang would allow the Earth kingdom to do some genocide of colonials.

The way I see it flowing is we will have a total of 4 books. Book 3 will either end, probably not with him defeating the fire lord (maybe) but with him having mastered all 4 elements and being a fully realized avatar (insert scene of Rokou doing the quad strike) and Book 4, Air, will be him trying to create peace and rebuild the air nation.
With Iroh's speech to Zuko I think Lightning bending- like blood bending for Katara- is supposed to be an evil offset. Unanimous with the "bad guys".

The whole "never let it pass through your heart" bit sums it up.
Well from my interpretation of what Iroh said is Fire is emotion, Lightening is calm. Fire is hateful destruction, Lightening emotionless.

That may be more evil since you feel nothing for those you wish to destroy. But to control your emotions and use your power, that could be seen as good since you are no longer fighting with hate.

Nexas
12-17-2007, 01:47 AM
I think Lightening bending Zuko isn't far off. He's had the skills to do it for some time, but the only thing holding him back was his "inner turmoil" as Iroh put it. So either he will be able to do it know or really really soon.

Gamble
12-17-2007, 02:08 AM
Lol. Japan. Lol. China. Lol. Japan owning China.

Well perhaps they will if there is lasting peace be able to integrate into the Earth Kingdom. I mean I doubt Aang would allow the Earth kingdom to do some genocide of colonials.

The way I see it flowing is we will have a total of 4 books. Book 3 will either end, probably not with him defeating the fire lord (maybe) but with him having mastered all 4 elements and being a fully realized avatar (insert scene of Rokou doing the quad strike) and Book 4, Air, will be him trying to create peace and rebuild the air nation.


Uchiha.

Keep in mind only a very small fraction of the fire nation is actually "bad." Most of them just serve under Ozai. If Ozai is overthrown I don't think they're going to go against the new Firelord (presumably good) and opinions. It'll be pretty easy to create peace between the two nations, given the new Firelord isn't out for destruction of everyone else.

Nexas
12-17-2007, 02:23 AM
Uchiha.

Keep in mind only a very small fraction of the fire nation is actually "bad." Most of them just serve under Ozai. If Ozai is overthrown I don't think they're going to go against the new Firelord (presumably good) and opinions. It'll be pretty easy to create peace between the two nations, given the new Firelord isn't out for destruction of everyone else.

The problem with keeping the peace isn't going to be the people of the Fire Nation, but everyone else. The Fire Nation has waged war with the rest of the world for over a century. They aren't just going to forget all that. The Earth Nation and Water tribes are going to want retribution. The Fire Nation Army will be practically dismantled. The Fire Nation itself will probably be heavily occupied by Earth and Water nation forces, and the Fire Nation colonies will be left to the mercy of the Earth Nation who probably won't be all that merciful.

Gamble
12-17-2007, 02:25 AM
The problem with keeping the peace isn't going to be the people of the Fire Nation, but everyone else. The Fire Nation has waged war with the rest of the world for over a century. They aren't just going to forget all that. The Earth Nation and Water tribes are going to want retribution. The Fire Nation Army will be practically dismantled. The Fire Nation itself will probably be heavily occupied by Earth and Water nation forces, and the Fire Nation colonies will be left to the mercy of the Earth Nation who probably won't be all that merciful.

Avatar>Earth Nation

Sunuvmann
12-17-2007, 02:30 AM
Uchiha.

Keep in mind only a very small fraction of the fire nation is actually "bad." Most of them just serve under Ozai. If Ozai is overthrown I don't think they're going to go against the new Firelord (presumably good) and opinions. It'll be pretty easy to create peace between the two nations, given the new Firelord isn't out for destruction of everyone else.
Just a bit. But considering theres a fucking hueg place that is empty lands with people not inhabiting it and when Aang eventually dies, there will need to be some air benders to teach his newest incarnation Air bending.

Well you know the Earth kingdom is going to be royally pissed for a while.

Aang defeats the fire lord, Zuko takes the throne (or Iroh lol), Fire nation pulls out wanting peace, you have 3 generations of Earth benders who are fucking pissed at fire nation rape so we are going to have many in Earth Kingdom politics who are of the Jet mindset. They will counterstrike as soon as they regain control of their cities.

That will probably be Aang's last fight, being in the middle of the Fire Nation and Earth and telling them to stop. Kinda like when he was the chick Avatar had the army storming at her and she was like screw you lol, I'm keeping my land safe, except it will be to stop two rampaging armies at both sides.

Nexas
12-17-2007, 02:30 AM
Avatar>Earth Nation

That may be true, but if this war ends with Aang making everyone kiss and make up than I will be sorely disappointed.

Gamble
12-17-2007, 02:37 AM
Just a bit. But considering theres a fucking hueg place that is empty lands with people not inhabiting it and when Aang eventually dies, there will need to be some air benders to teach his newest incarnation Air bending.

Well you know the Earth kingdom is going to be royally pissed for a while.

Aang defeats the fire lord, Zuko takes the throne (or Iroh lol), Fire nation pulls out wanting peace, you have 3 generations of Earth benders who are fucking pissed at fire nation rape so we are going to have many in Earth Kingdom politics who are of the Jet mindset. They will counterstrike as soon as they regain control of their cities.

That will probably be Aang's last fight, being in the middle of the Fire Nation and Earth and telling them to stop. Kinda like when he was the chick Avatar had the army storming at her and she was like screw you lol, I'm keeping my land safe, except it will be to stop two rampaging armies at both sides.
Sadly the only aftermath confliction I believe we'll see is the seperate nations being mad at the Fire nation for like, 5 minutes, and then Aang says some speech that emotionally moves every person he tells, problems and differences become resolved, and it ends there.

That may be true, but if this war ends with Aang making everyone kiss and make up than I will be sorely disappointed.

see above

Snow
12-17-2007, 03:06 AM
Well from my interpretation of what Iroh said is Fire is emotion, Lightening is calm. Fire is hateful destruction, Lightening emotionless.

That may be more evil since you feel nothing for those you wish to destroy. But to control your emotions and use your power, that could be seen as good since you are no longer fighting with hate.

Well I suppose I should take your word for it seeing as how you've watched the episodes more recently than I have, but I distinctly remember whatever Iroh said about the characteristics of Lightning bending/benders- Zuko's response was "Just like Azula!"

So it's safe to assume that the message that was being pushed was that lightning bending was unanimous with evil.

That may be true, but if this war ends with Aang making everyone kiss and make up than I will be sorely disappointed.

It's aired on Nickelodeon so to expect anything else would be setting yourself up for disappointment.

I mean Avatar has jumped alot of hurdles and exceeded ALOT of expectations as far as being an American written show directed towards children, but it's still a kid's show.


That will probably be Aang's last fight, being in the middle of the Fire Nation and Earth and telling them to stop. Kinda like when he was the chick Avatar had the army storming at her and she was like screw you lol, I'm keeping my land safe, except it will be to stop two rampaging armies at both sides.

Kiyoshi was a bad ass. When she took over Aang and was just like "Yeah, that bitch was talkin' shit- so I killed him! lolBye, Aang!"

Sunuvmann
12-17-2007, 03:17 AM
I wonder if Kiyoshi was a lesbian. Would make sense with her village having the warriors be female :zaru

I mean would in the cycle of reincarnation your sexual preference stay the same?

Shinji-san
12-17-2007, 03:24 AM
Kyoshi was a beast. Lives for over 200 years (I think) and creates the Dai Lee. She moves a whole chunk of land off from the major continent and makes it an island. How could you be cooler?

I don't see Lightning (I don't call it bending since they don't actually control it but simply create it and then direct it) as an "evil" force. However, since it is created in the unbalance of Yin and Yang being divided, I suppose that chaotic energy sounds bad.

Edit: Peter: Wait, so are you suggesting that every female avatar was a lesbian? Hahaha

Shinji-san
12-17-2007, 03:26 AM
Wait, since Aang is the last known airbender, how could the Air Nomads possibly reproduce. Does it matter who he has a child with in order to hope it will have airbending abilities? I just assumed it had to be someone of similar decent, so people within their own cultural group.

Naruto_Sama
12-17-2007, 03:31 AM
I'm Canadian and I watched the Western Air Temple. I thought it was great and it set Avatar up for a new arc.

Basically, Avatar and co. arrive at the air temple to find refuge from the fire nation. When they arrive, they're surprised to find that the place is undamaged and new-looking. And believe me, the design is amazing, you have to see it! Anyway, Zuko follows them and asks to join their gang. He says he turned a new leaf and wants to help the avatar. they dont believe him and banish zuko. although aang and toph think he mita changed. so toph comes at night to see zuko. out of defence, zuko accidently burns toph's feet (lol). so the gang is even more reluctant to let him join.

and then this new unknown guy with an eye on his forehead attacks aang and co.! he shoots sort out of a powerful beam through his 3rd eye. kinda like a jet stream of air but hard to tell. zuko helps protect them. so then they let him join. but katara threatens to hurt zuko if he turns on them


OVERALL GREAT EPISODE.

Nexas
12-17-2007, 03:32 AM
Wait, since Aang is the last known airbender, how could the Air Nomads possibly reproduce. Does it matter who he has a child with in order to hope it will have airbending abilities? I just assumed it had to be someone of similar decent, so people within their own cultural group.

All Air Nomad Children are born airbenders or so I remember. And of course Book IV is rumored to be about Aang's search for any surviving airbenders.

Shinji-san
12-17-2007, 03:34 AM
Oh, so a book 4 is really going to be made. I've heard rumor about it, but also a lot about it not being made... Maybe I'm living under a rock. haha

Nexas
12-17-2007, 03:38 AM
Oh, so a book 4 is really going to be made. I've heard rumor about it, but also a lot about it not being made... Maybe I'm living under a rock. haha

I'm not absolutely positive if it is being made or not. I've rumor's of a fourth book and its contents. I've even heard the team has been signed on for six seasons. But there is nothing concrete that I remember.

Gamble
12-17-2007, 03:40 AM
All Air Nomad Children are born airbenders or so I remember. And of course Book IV is rumored to be about Aang's search for any surviving airbenders.

Possibly, however the whole idea of repopulating the air colonies probably won't get looked on. Reproduction is probably not something the directors of the show plan on going into detail about, one being that it's nearly irrelevant to Aang's plot, the second that I don't think Nickelodeon is too comfortable going into context regarding sexual frustration :LOS

It'd be a bit hard to recreate an Avatar after Aang dies without any more airbenders, though. The next avatar will have potential to learn airbending, but will have no teacher. =$

Sunuvmann
12-17-2007, 03:44 AM
Kyoshi was a beast. Lives for over 200 years (I think) and creates the Dai Lee. She moves a whole chunk of land off from the major continent and makes it an island. How could you be cooler?

I don't see Lightning (I don't call it bending since they don't actually control it but simply create it and then direct it) as an "evil" force. However, since it is created in the unbalance of Yin and Yang being divided, I suppose that chaotic energy sounds bad.

Edit: Peter: Wait, so are you suggesting that every female avatar was a lesbian? Hahaha
Yes. :zaru
Wait, since Aang is the last known airbender, how could the Air Nomads possibly reproduce. Does it matter who he has a child with in order to hope it will have airbending abilities? I just assumed it had to be someone of similar decent, so people within their own cultural group.
I think it may be just if you live in that country. Like if a fire nation person's family lives in a country long enough, eventually a generation will be born with the power to bend the native bending. Thats how I understand it. I dislike the idea of it being genetic.
All Air Nomad Children are born airbenders or so I remember. And of course Book IV is rumored to be about Aang's search for any surviving airbenders.
I figured as much.

There has to be a book 4 and it has to be Air. It would be incomplete without it.

Nexas
12-17-2007, 03:46 AM
It'd be a bit hard to recreate an Avatar after Aang dies without any more airbenders, though. The next avatar will have potential to learn airbending, but will have no teacher. =$

It would probably be difficult, but if Aang were to be unable to rebuild the Air Nomads he would probably leave behind a large number of airbending scrolls for his reincarnation.

Shinji-san
12-17-2007, 03:48 AM
Yeah, actually looking at int now, I don't think repopulation will be covered at all in the series. That is like 10 years away from him, at least by most American standards. Starting a family at 12? Not likely haha.

Yes, this is a kid show, so we have to remember that. Since no 4th book has been announced, I think it is sitting on shakey ground. As other people have mentioned, if there is a 4th through popular demand, It will probably be the aftermath of taking down the Fire Lord and holding the peace.

Gamble
12-17-2007, 03:55 AM
Yeah, actually looking at int now, I don't think repopulation will be covered at all in the series. That is like 10 years away from him, at least by most American standards. Starting a family at 12? Not likely haha.

Yes, this is a kid show, so we have to remember that. Since no 4th book has been announced, I think it is sitting on shakey ground. As other people have mentioned, if there is a 4th through popular demand, It will probably be the aftermath of taking down the Fire Lord and holding the peace.

I'm pretty sure there will be a fourth book.

I just don't see them teaching Aang firebending, planning another invasion to take out Ozai, while trying to develop the newly formed team, in a matter of 8-9 episodes.

Shinji-san
12-17-2007, 03:58 AM
Hmm, when you put it that way, that sounds most reasonable.

Stallyns808
12-17-2007, 04:03 AM
I don't think that there will be a 4th book unless it's a prequel. Each season corresponded to a different element. An element that the avatar was trying to learn. Season one was all about finding an waterbending teacher. Season two was about Aang finding an earthbending teacher and learning earthbending. Season three is about Aangs need for a firebending teacher if he is gonna finally be able to master the element of fire and a true master of all the elements. If there's an 'Air' season, it would be more about what happened to Aang way before he learned he was the avatar. Like his adventures with Bumi when he was still a kid as well as Kuzon. All the while training his airbending skills with Gyatso.

Gamble
12-17-2007, 05:34 AM
I don't think that there will be a 4th book unless it's a prequel. Each season corresponded to a different element. An element that the avatar was trying to learn. Season one was all about finding an waterbending teacher. Season two was about Aang finding an earthbending teacher and learning earthbending. Season three is about Aangs need for a firebending teacher if he is gonna finally be able to master the element of fire and a true master of all the elements. If there's an 'Air' season, it would be more about what happened to Aang way before he learned he was the avatar. Like his adventures with Bumi when he was still a kid as well as Kuzon. All the while training his airbending skills with Gyatso.

That's been the general mindset for a while, but as the season rolls on it's really not progressing enough to finish up within 20-22 episodes.

Jove
12-17-2007, 07:24 AM
From an Ign.com interview in September:

IGN: What can we expect for Avatar's third season? Will this season be the final installment to the Avatar world?

MIKE: This particular, three season arc will end in an exciting way that wraps up the story of Aang and Zuko. However, Bryan and I have other ideas to expand the Avatar universe, so hopefully the world will live on for a long time.

http://tv.ign.com/articles/818/818284p1.html


This current arc was devised as a 60 episode arc, so we've at least gotten an extra episode out of it. It took a long time for them to create this story, so I'd expect them to take a suitable amount of time creating the next one. They'll probably do this while working with Shamalan on the live-action movies.

Gamble
12-17-2007, 08:05 AM
Still can't see them wrapping the show up in 9 episodes without completely bombing the ending :sag

Jove
12-17-2007, 08:21 AM
Still can't see them wrapping the show up in 9 episodes without completely bombing the ending :sag

Heh, that's true, but they've earned our trust. Of course, a lot of the worries could have been assuaged with a more focused first half of Book 3. :notrust

Dynamic Dragon
12-17-2007, 12:44 PM
hmm i wonder... will the white lotus team com back? cos i think thats where iroh's headed... its like the white lotus is similar to aang's team, but with old people... and cept kiatso (sp) is dead........

Roy Mustang
12-17-2007, 01:09 PM
team lotus is equivelant of the win in the sokka

Jove
12-17-2007, 02:08 PM
team lotus is equivelant of the win in the sokka

Irrefutable, massive truth. And unless I'm misreading the foreshadowing from "Sokka's Master," they will soon be combined.

Mider T
12-17-2007, 02:14 PM
Irrefutable, massive truth. And unless I'm misreading the foreshadowing from "Sokka's Master," they will soon be combined.

That wasn't foreshadowing, that was a damn crossover.

UltimateDeadpool
12-17-2007, 03:02 PM
I don't think that there will be a 4th book unless it's a prequel. Each season corresponded to a different element. An element that the avatar was trying to learn. Season one was all about finding an waterbending teacher. Season two was about Aang finding an earthbending teacher and learning earthbending. Season three is about Aangs need for a firebending teacher if he is gonna finally be able to master the element of fire and a true master of all the elements. If there's an 'Air' season, it would be more about what happened to Aang way before he learned he was the avatar. Like his adventures with Bumi when he was still a kid as well as Kuzon. All the while training his airbending skills with Gyatso.

I don't know, an "Air" season could be Aang trying to re-establish the Air Nomads. No Air Nomads means the Avatar cycle will stop.

And don't just think that everything will be fine and dandy after Aang defeats Ozai. Zuko could become the new firelord and usher in peace, but there will be rebel Firenation factions that will refuse Zuko's goals and still believe that the Firenation is the greatest country and should rule the world... in other words, there will most likely be a civil war.

Roy Mustang
12-17-2007, 04:57 PM
Irrefutable, massive truth. And unless I'm misreading the foreshadowing from "Sokka's Master," they will soon be combined.

wait, the master is in white lotus?
epic :zaru

Freiza
12-17-2007, 05:03 PM
i like the civil war idea

Sunuvmann
12-17-2007, 09:27 PM
I'm pretty sure there will be a fourth book.

I just don't see them teaching Aang firebending, planning another invasion to take out Ozai, while trying to develop the newly formed team, in a matter of 8-9 episodes.
They did that for Toph including character definition in 14 episodes. Zuko, we already know who he is so they can skip that lol. All that is left is team dynamic and training before Boss Fight. Training? Earth bending was done in 1. Fire bending will likely be the same. Team dynamic? Two episodes should cover it. That leaves 5-6 episodes for the new Team Avatar to save the world. No problem lol.

Gamble
12-17-2007, 11:18 PM
They did that for Toph including character definition in 14 episodes. Zuko, we already know who he is so they can skip that lol. All that is left is team dynamic and training before Boss Fight. Training? Earth bending was done in 1. Fire bending will likely be the same. Team dynamic? Two episodes should cover it. That leaves 5-6 episodes for the new Team Avatar to save the world. No problem lol.

Training and shit isn't what's concerning me. It's the whole "ok we just invaded like 6 days ago lol we should be able to do it again."

Unless they decide to do a timeskip, which would probably be necessary to give them prep time, however it will still feel rushed :LOS

Superstarseven
12-18-2007, 02:22 AM
Training and shit isn't what's concerning me. It's the whole "ok we just invaded like 6 days ago lol we should be able to do it again."

Unless they decide to do a timeskip, which would probably be necessary to give them prep time, however it will still feel rushed :LOS

The whole show takes place within a year and a 12 year old Avatar has to master all 4 elements within that time frame to stop a 100 year old war. Roku was told he was the Avatar at 16 and had about close to a decade to become a fully realized Avatar. The show was rushed to begin with. Just because it started airing in 2005 and it's going to end in 2008 doesn't mean that everything that's transpired took place in real time. The timeframe is short and if it's going to be wrapped up in 9 episodes then that's the way it's going to be. I and many fans have made our peace with it. Now they're going back to the original plan since The Winter Solstice part II which is to let Aang master the elements and defeat Sozin before the comet arrives at Summer's end. It's summer and that comet is coming whether Aang is a fully realized Avatar or not and that's when he's got to make his move.

Aang and the invasion force had all the confidence in the world that the war would end on the day of black sun so now that Zuko has come at a fortunate time and has no allegiance to his father anymore then rushed training is what it's gotta be. Aang just got over his whole not wanting to learn Firebending drama so now he has to work overtime. Besides, the fact that there's so little time now makes his mission seem more urgent than it was before. Who's gonna tune out now? You'd think that with the small amount of time that he's being set up for failure.

Gamble
12-18-2007, 02:35 AM
The whole show takes place within a year and a 12 year old Avatar has to master all 4 elements within that time frame to stop a 100 year old war. Roku was told he was the Avatar at 16 and had about close to a decade to become a fully realized Avatar. The show was rushed to begin with. Just because it started airing in 2005 and it's going to end in 2008 doesn't mean that everything that's transpired took place in real time. The timeframe is short and if it's going to be wrapped up in 9 episodes then that's the way it's going to be. I and many fans have made our peace with it. Now they're going back to the original plan since The Winter Solstice part II which is to let Aang master the elements and defeat Sozin before the comet arrives at Summer's end. It's summer and that comet is coming whether Aang is a fully realized Avatar or not and that's when he's got to make his move.

Aang and the invasion force had all the confidence in the world that the war would end on the day of black sun so now that Zuko has come at a fortunate time and has no allegiance to his father anymore then rushed training is what it's gotta be. Aang just got over his whole not wanting to learn Firebending drama so now he has to work overtime. Besides, the fact that there's so little time now makes his mission seem more urgent than it was before. Who's gonna tune out now? You'd think that with the small amount of time that he's being set up for failure.
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Okay, lol.

Again, the only thing I was concerned with was Aang+co. having to invade so quickly again, that it may feel monotonous to the entire season and possibility of a bombed finale seems pretty high because of it.

Stallyns808
12-18-2007, 03:28 AM
^I see where Timbers is coming from. The main problem is the rushed development. They already screwed up Zuko's development this season making him turn against his father without any indication of any foreshadowing beforehand from Zuko himself. Nine episodes doesn't seem enough for them to train and start a second invasion without screwing many things up.

Gamble
12-18-2007, 03:35 AM
^I see where Timbers is coming from. The main problem is the rushed development. They already screwed up Zuko's development this season making him turn against his father without any indication of any foreshadowing beforehand from Zuko himself. Nine episodes doesn't seem enough for them to train and start a second invasion without screwing many things up.

Pretty sure Iroh and the White Lotus will assist in the second invasion. Hell, this invasion might even have a stronger disposal of benders than the first one. It's just that, unless we see some sort of timeskip, Aang+co. won't have any more than a week-two weeks for Aang to learn fire bending. On top of that, Zuko leaving the fire nation for two weeks and coming back? and then the possibility of him becoming Firelord as well? On top of that he has to gain Aang+co.'s trust for them to allow him to become Firelord.

I'm sure there was something I wanted to say in this post, but now I forgot.

Superstarseven
12-18-2007, 04:12 AM
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Okay, lol.

Again, the only thing I was concerned with was Aang+co. having to invade so quickly again, that it may feel monotonous to the entire season and possibility of a bombed finale seems pretty high because of it.

Hmm, okay I didn't think my post was confusing but whatever...4 minutes of my life that I won't get back.
Well now the stakes are higher eh? Sokka just lucked into finding about the solar eclipse and it took him a month to be able to tell The Earth King...everything was going to work out until Azula screwed things up. He was able to pull a plan out of his ass with the ragtag Invasion force which of course...Azula screwed up again. Now the team will have to rely completely on the element of surprise and with Zuko, and possibly Iroh tagging along, they're gonna have a huge advantage that they didn't have before considering Zuko is going to have intimate knowledge of the Fire Palace.
We'll see where it goes, still more story to tell.

@lk3mizt
12-18-2007, 02:04 PM
Zuko needing the gang's blessings before he can become the firelord? lol. i dont like it. :notrust

sure, i want them to trust him and now we all know that he has changed but man, a king needing the permission of others before he can assume the throne?

dont like it.

Muk
12-18-2007, 03:53 PM
so think that "sparky sparky boom man" is dead? he lost his "gauntlet"

so usually that means they are dead right?

i loved zuko's monologue trying to impersonate iro and azula

"listen avatar, i can either join your group or do something unspeakably evil"

edit:

i think iro is first in line for the next firelord if anything

i also doubt that zuko would challenge that decision

@lk3mizt
12-18-2007, 04:02 PM
i dont think Iro would want to be the next firelord. I'm sure he wants to just rest or something.. :lmao

Mush
12-18-2007, 04:04 PM
This is a cool show. Glad to see so many fans.

Sunuvmann
12-18-2007, 05:05 PM
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Okay, lol.

Again, the only thing I was concerned with was Aang+co. having to invade so quickly again, that it may feel monotonous to the entire season and possibility of a bombed finale seems pretty high because of it.
I don't think it would be an invasion a la Eclipse, no it will be some plot twist putting the firelord and Azula and other villains in an exposed location that is suiting for a final battle.

I kinda like the idea of Avatar v. Firelord battle taking place on a Volcano again. It would bring closure to Rokou and that saga.
^I see where Timbers is coming from. The main problem is the rushed development. They already screwed up Zuko's development this season making him turn against his father without any indication of any foreshadowing beforehand from Zuko himself. Nine episodes doesn't seem enough for them to train and start a second invasion without screwing many things up.
I think they handled it quite well. All last season Zuko had been becoming 'good' with the guidance of his uncle. But with what had been his goal for such a long time, he reverted. He chose the old ways. But then when he got what he'd long wanted, upon inner reflection, he realized, no, this isn't right and when the time came he made the choice of being true to himself.

I don't see a second invasion. The first they'd been building for 20 episodes, there won't be a second one.
i dont think Iro would want to be the next firelord. I'm sure he wants to just rest or something.. :lmao
If he wanted to rest, he would have stayed fat instead of becoming GARoh :awesome

@lk3mizt
12-18-2007, 05:08 PM
lol, GARoh.

nice, Peter! :thumbs

The Sentry
12-18-2007, 05:12 PM
Has the nu episode been leaked yet?

@lk3mizt
12-18-2007, 05:16 PM
^ if you're talking about episode 12, then yeah, it's been available.

Gamble
12-18-2007, 05:42 PM
Zuko needing the gang's blessings before he can become the firelord? lol. i dont like it. :notrust

sure, i want them to trust him and now we all know that he has changed but man, a king needing the permission of others before he can assume the throne?

dont like it.

Avatar overthrows Ozai. If Zuko has any intention in trying to run things how Ozai did, what do you think Aang+co. would do about it? lol.

Peter: I like the idea of Ozai (and any other plot villian) moving to a different location. Invading the same place where so many people are aware of the threat that occured so recently ago, would be monotonous. A more secluded area, one different from the actual city, would be much better.

The Sentry
12-18-2007, 05:46 PM
Can u send tha link

Stallyns808
12-18-2007, 09:27 PM
Can u send tha link

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D694YSZ3

Originally posted by Emery (http://forums.narutofan.com/member.php?u=41074).

The Question
12-18-2007, 11:07 PM
You can also find ep. 12 here (http://animeblogz.com/category/avatar-the-last-airbender/) if you want to watch it streamed.

Misha-San
12-19-2007, 12:51 PM
I hope YTV give more episodes soon!

Kage
12-19-2007, 01:13 PM
this episode was enjoyable. the whole invasion during the eclipse was just so blah to me.:oh
ah zuko, i could never really hate the guy, now he's adorably awkward :love

Pimp of Pimps
12-19-2007, 01:18 PM
this episode was enjoyable. the whole invasion during the eclipse was just so blah to me.:oh
ah zuko, i could never really hate the guy, now he's adorably awkward :love

How could you not like the invasion? You must be a robot or something.

Kage
12-19-2007, 01:36 PM
How could you not like the invasion? You must be a robot or something.
only parts of me :pek
i thought i might be one of the few who didn't enjoy it.
it was just so...blah.

LIL_M0
12-19-2007, 01:39 PM
only parts of me :pek
i thought i might be one of the few who didn't enjoy it.
it was just so...blah.
I agree with the hilighted part. It was ok, but it wasn't amazing.

Kage
12-19-2007, 01:42 PM
it didn't have to be amazing i was just...expecting better i guess *shrugs*

Sunuvmann
12-19-2007, 01:43 PM
this episode was enjoyable. the whole invasion during the eclipse was just so blah to me.:oh
ah zuko, i could never really hate the guy, now he's adorably awkward :love
Invasion was win. But it seemed like Teppellin done wrong. Simon flies up and is like SPIRAL KINGUU! And then lol wtf he's not there. Meh well it seemed too easy of a way to end it anyhow. The first part was holy crap, edge of seat awesome. Second part, especially Azula fight, second and 3rd time I watched it I just skipped that to get to the gar Zuko lines.

Wuzzman
12-19-2007, 02:47 PM
I don't think Zuko "joining the good side" was rushed. Zuko HAD to close that chapter in his life were he wanted his fathers approval. If he had joined the good side in Ba Sing Se (which meant living a normal life something that Zuko shouldn't do) then it would have changed nothing. Zuko would STILL want his honor from his father, even though he settled with Iroh. Back then he choose the lesser of two evils, choosing a normal life with Iroh, instead of trying to regain his honor as Prince of the Fire Nation. Knowing that he is not normal and yet knowing that chances of him regaining his honor in his father eyes is low, he chose Iroh. Now that he got what he wanted, he realized that he was wrong and choose to correct his wrongs. Beautifully done really.

UltimateDeadpool
12-19-2007, 07:05 PM
I don't think Zuko "joining the good side" was rushed. Zuko HAD to close that chapter in his life were he wanted his fathers approval. If he had joined the good side in Ba Sing Se (which meant living a normal life something that Zuko shouldn't do) then it would have changed nothing. Zuko would STILL want his honor from his father, even though he settled with Iroh. Back then he choose the lesser of two evils, choosing a normal life with Iroh, instead of trying to regain his honor as Prince of the Fire Nation. Knowing that he is not normal and yet knowing that chances of him regaining his honor in his father eyes is low, he chose Iroh. Now that he got what he wanted, he realized that he was wrong and choose to correct his wrongs. Beautifully done really.

Yeah. The first 11 episodes of the 3rd season (and arguably all of the episodes of the 1st and 2nd seasons) were leading to Zuko joining the heroes.

The Question
12-19-2007, 09:27 PM
Huh, you learn something new everyday. I never realized until now that the voice of Zuko, Dante Basco, had played Rufio in the movie Hook. I was watching that movie today and realized that his voice sounded a lot like Zuko. It made my day to hear Zuko mocking Peter Pan/Robin Williams.:hehee

Dark Dragon
12-19-2007, 09:47 PM
I stumbled upon a great Avatar AMV in youtube. You guys should definitely give it a look. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9s0b6IsO1k

Triggerhappy69
12-19-2007, 10:58 PM
I stumbled upon a great Avatar AMV in youtube. You guys should definitely give it a look. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9s0b6IsO1k

Wow, that was actually pretty good. The only other one I've seen that beats it is this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLy-Hj5O0tg

Piekage
12-20-2007, 01:06 AM
I don't think Zuko "joining the good side" was rushed. Zuko HAD to close that chapter in his life were he wanted his fathers approval. If he had joined the good side in Ba Sing Se (which meant living a normal life something that Zuko shouldn't do) then it would have changed nothing. Zuko would STILL want his honor from his father, even though he settled with Iroh. Back then he choose the lesser of two evils, choosing a normal life with Iroh, instead of trying to regain his honor as Prince of the Fire Nation. Knowing that he is not normal and yet knowing that chances of him regaining his honor in his father eyes is low, he chose Iroh. Now that he got what he wanted, he realized that he was wrong and choose to correct his wrongs. Beautifully done really.

Agreed. It also serves as some inner conflict for the group. Since he did betray them at Ba Sing Se, that leads to trust issues and development on Zuko's part, since he has to pay for the things he's done.

Perverted King
12-20-2007, 04:13 AM
Best American Series Ever and I hate US cartoons.Great animation,characters and some comedy:P and the episode of blood bending was just creppy.

Jove
12-20-2007, 10:55 AM
The AMVs... if there's one thing you can say about the Avatar fandom, it's the almost universally abysmal taste in music.

Kage
12-20-2007, 11:20 AM
The AMVs... if there's one thing you can say about the Avatar fandom, it's the almost universally abysmal taste in music.

that's a matter of opinion.

uncle jafuncle
12-20-2007, 12:32 PM
312 gives me hope that Jeong Jeong will one day return. I hope him and Iroh meet up and lead a Fire Nation rebellion.

Sunuvmann
12-20-2007, 01:09 PM
The AMVs... if there's one thing you can say about the Avatar fandom, it's the almost universally abysmal taste in music.
Haha true. I've seen quite few decent AMVs. Most of them are slideshows of fan art (:facepalm) set to music. I still however really want to one day make one to the song Wonderboy (youtube it :hehee)
312 gives me hope that Jeong Jeong will one day return. I hope him and Iroh meet up and lead a Fire Nation rebellion.
:O

Epic General's come back! Iroh + Jeong leading an insurrection!

The Question
12-20-2007, 03:17 PM
I'm still waiting for the return of Hawky!:arg

Kage
12-20-2007, 03:25 PM
I'm still waiting for the return of Hawky!:arg

:lmao
it is taking him some time to deliver that message.

masterriku
12-20-2007, 04:18 PM
:lmao
it is taking him some time to deliver that message.

Hawky will return leading the armies of the earth kingdom:yell






it would be funny if that's what happened

Misha-San
12-20-2007, 05:49 PM
Huh, you learn something new everyday. I never realized until now that the voice of Zuko, Dante Basco, had played Rufio in the movie Hook. I was watching that movie today and realized that his voice sounded a lot like Zuko. It made my day to hear Zuko mocking Peter Pan/Robin Williams.:hehee

Lol I didnt know either. When I saw the credits for Hook and saw his name I was like I know that name....:P

Muk
12-20-2007, 06:06 PM
so i was wondering what happened to sokka's meteoride sword?

did he just lose it? or misplace it? why did he suddenly switch back to his boomerang except for the obvious reason that it took out "sparky sparky boom-man"

think he'll have his sword back in the next episode?

Sunuvmann
12-20-2007, 06:08 PM
Hawky will return leading the armies of the earth kingdom:yell






it would be funny if that's what happened
:lmao

Who and where did he send Hawky off to? I forgot :sag

*IMDB's VAs*

Lesse...Appa/Momo = Klaus (fish) from American Dad, Katara's VA...she's cute...kinda short though...lol she was Suzy in Johnny Bravo (Johnny's loli XD)....wow Aang's actually a dude. That's suprising as so many of these cartoons have chicks do the boy's voice, was the Ant Bully, never saw it though...don't know Sokka's VA from anything...Zuko's been in a bunch of shit, none I really know him from...Toph's VA lol. loli.

masterriku
12-20-2007, 07:06 PM
Who and where did he send Hawky off to? I forgot


I believe he was sent to toph's parents making my theory even less crack than it sounds.

Snow
12-20-2007, 07:35 PM
Hm. As far as the Avatar Live Action movies are concerned- I think they're going to run into the same problem the Harry Potter films have: Aang's actor is going to end up 4 feet taller and with facial hair by the third film.

Mat®icha
12-20-2007, 07:46 PM
this episode was amazing. it's good to see zuko in team avatar. cant wait to see the teaching stuff:spaz

Sunuvmann
12-20-2007, 07:55 PM
Hm. As far as the Avatar Live Action movies are concerned- I think they're going to run into the same problem the Harry Potter films have: Aang's actor is going to end up 4 feet taller and with facial hair by the third film.
If it does happen, it would probably be on the order of the Ben 10 movie where it is not the continuation or redoing any part of the plot but a seperate arc that can be covered within the one movie.

Pimp of Pimps
12-20-2007, 07:57 PM
Hm. As far as the Avatar Live Action movies are concerned- I think they're going to run into the same problem the Harry Potter films have: Aang's actor is going to end up 4 feet taller and with facial hair by the third film.

that wasn't really a problem with Harry Potter though.

Sunuvmann
12-20-2007, 07:59 PM
that wasn't really a problem with Harry Potter though.
Since Radcliffe is a midget >_>

Roy Mustang
12-20-2007, 09:02 PM
I'm still waiting for the return of Hawky!:arg

:lmao
it is taking him some time to deliver that message.

Hawky will return leading the armies of the earth kingdom:yell






it would be funny if that's what happened

http://www.peta.org/feat/awr/photos/Dead-hawk-in-cougar-cage1.jpg

Gamble
12-20-2007, 09:05 PM
^lol, Canada

Roy Mustang
12-20-2007, 09:07 PM
^lol peta

Gamble
12-20-2007, 09:12 PM
^lol peta

/off topic

How is getting naked and dressing up in plastic wrap suppose to save the environment+animals? :pek

Roy Mustang
12-20-2007, 09:13 PM
aang did it, hes the avatar, you should listen to him :pek

The Question
12-20-2007, 09:56 PM
http://www.peta.org/feat/awr/photos/Dead-hawk-in-cougar-cage1.jpg

No! Hawky!:amazed

Roy Mustang
12-20-2007, 10:00 PM
:lmao ded

Sunuvmann
12-20-2007, 10:00 PM
/off topic

How is getting naked and dressing up in plastic wrap suppose to save the environment+animals? :pek
Attention whoring.

[/closingofftopicandspambracketsforgreatjustice]
So any word yet on if Canada will be getting 13 on Friday?

The Question
12-20-2007, 10:02 PM
:lmao

Who and where did he send Hawky off to? I forgot :sag

*IMDB's VAs*

Lesse...Appa/Momo = Klaus (fish) from American Dad, Katara's VA...she's cute...kinda short though...lol she was Suzy in Johnny Bravo (Johnny's loli XD)....wow Aang's actually a dude. That's suprising as so many of these cartoons have chicks do the boy's voice, was the Ant Bully, never saw it though...don't know Sokka's VA from anything...Zuko's been in a bunch of shit, none I really know him from...Toph's VA lol. loli.

Can you tell which one is Zuko's VA?:lmao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-eaUT7JPZs