Nickelodean's "Avatar: The Last Airbender" Discusion

[Stallyns808]

Iroh knew the secrets behind everything all this time so I'm guessing that he did not tell Zuko because of Zuko's destiny to "restore the balance". If he told Zuko the truth, Zuko might have just persued his mother instead realizing his true destiny.

Maybe, but as soon as he found his mother he would probably go out and help the Avatar right after. It would be a sort of peace of mind thing. He would learn the truth about everything and he would probably do what he could to help out the Avatar and end the war. Plus I hate this true destiny crap, he should have just kicked his father's ass back in 311. The war would have been over then. Screw Aang, if he would stop spending all his time looking for a girlfriend, the war would have been over a long time ago. Zuko should have just stepped up to the plate and kicked some major ass. If he learned the truth earlier I can guarantee this is what would happen. Once his mother asks him to stop his father, he would go out and do it. Zuko seems to be the type that would do anything that his mother would ask of him.

[Raiden]

Maybe, but as soon as he found his mother he would probably go out and help the Avatar right after. It would be a sort of peace of mind thing. He would learn the truth about everything and he would probably do what he could to help out the Avatar and end the war. Plus I hate this true destiny crap, he should have just kicked his father's ass back in 311. The war would have been over then. Screw Aang, if he would stop spending all his time looking for a girlfriend, the war would have been over a long time ago. Zuko should have just stepped up to the plate and kicked some major ass. If he learned the truth earlier I can guarantee this is what would happen. Once his mother asks him to stop his father, he would go out and do it. Zuko seems to be the type that would do anything that his mother would ask of him.

Just rememeber some things are plot induced, such as Zuko not righting Ozai. He couldn't have ended it all or attempted to since we're only up to episode 12 of season three. Along with that, Zuko symbolizes major character development and had to go through the change that he did before all of this was revealed. In other words, he had to make the decision to change his ways by himself even if there was some influence, that's what was most important.

[Stallyns808]

Just rememeber some things are plot induced, such as Zuko not righting Ozai. He couldn't have ended it all or attempted to since we're only up to episode 12 of season three. Along with that, Zuko symbolizes major character development and had to go through the change that he did before all of this was revealed. In other words, he had to make the decision to change his ways by himself even if there was some influence, that's what was most important.

I find Zuko's character development from episodes 306-311 somewhat lame and rushed. The main problem I have with it is right after episode 306, he disappeared only to reappear in episode 309(most retarded episode of Avatar ever imo), without much acknowledgment of what happened back in 306. If they had cut to Zuko a few times during 307-308, than his decision to turn against his father wouldn't have seemed rushed.

[kakoishii]

forget who it was but I kinda wish I could say "I told you so" to the guy who said that the western air temple bit was already done in the guru episode, come to think of it that was the eastern air temple, and never disregard teasers the creators themselves make wind of at a con as something they'd flesh over in a flashback.

[fireofthewill]

Btw, can anybody explain why Ozai wasn't knocked unconscious from the lightning. From what we've seen, a direct lightning hit is enough to kill (Aang) or at least knock you out and fuck with your body (Iroh), yet Ozai was just knocked back and had enough energy to see that Zuko was gone.

Oh, and I don't really think Zuko can defeat Ozai now. Remember his fight against Azula when they were first introduced, she was completely outclassing him even before she used the lightning and I don't think Ozai would do much worse. Plus, Azula seemed confident when she told Aang to fight Ozai if he wanted to (lets assume that wasn't a trick). Zuko's gotten much better because of his ability to redirect lightning but he had a huge element of surprise; if they were in a no bars fight, I think he would eventually come out the loser.

[Piekage]

Zuko's gotten much better since the beginning of season 2. I think he's around Azula's level at the moment. He is capable of holding his own against Aang after all. I doubt he could take Ozai though.

As for Ozai taking a Lightning bolt, I'd have to rewatch that scene, but I imagine he has better resistance towards fire than Aang.

[Graham Aker]

The Lightning hit the floor, not Ozai.

[Stallyns808]

The Lightning hit the floor, not Ozai.

Yeah. Just look at my sig and you can see the lightning hit the steps right in front of Ozai.

[fireofthewill]

The Lightning hit the floor, not Ozai.

Oh, lol, I should have watched that scene again rather than just relying on my memory. I was open to the possibility that Aang wasn't as resistant to fire as Ozai, but it was hard to accept that Ozai could take it so easily when Iroh couldn't. That just made me wonder how great Ozai actually was if he could handle lightning so easily.

But thanks for clearing up the confusion, makes much more sense now.

Btw, I know Zuko has improved, but I still seriously doubt he's on Ozai, or Azula's level. I think he'll reach it at the very end of the series, but in the end, I think it'll be Azula against Zuko (this Zuko will be much better than the Zuko we have now due to his newfound calmness enlightenment), but he'll struggle a lot and Aang against the firelord (this is assuming Azula doesn't become the new firelord, which I consider very probable). I'm not sure who the others will face yet...

[Raiden]

I find Zuko's character development from episodes 306-311 somewhat lame and rushed. The main problem I have with it is right after episode 306, he disappeared only to reappear in episode 309(most retarded episode of Avatar ever imo), without much acknowledgment of what happened back in 306. If they had cut to Zuko a few times during 307-308, than his decision to turn against his father wouldn't have seemed rushed.

Well, remember it had to be a bit rushed since the series is about to be over and now, Zuko was contribute to helping the avatar in the remaining episodes. It was a bit rushed, but I see the method behind the idea.

[Raiden]

Sorry for the doublepost but it's official now, Nick just aired ten and eleven today so us getting the early episodes can now be declared useless. I guess we only have to use spoiler tags now if talking about the summary for the rest of the series or episode twelve.

[Rob Lucci]

I'll sum up my thought about tonight's episode in one word:

Wow!

[Piekage]

That was just episode Ten, according to the Title Screen.

[Chatulio]

Epic episode Day of black sun was :spaz It saddened me when the swamp dudes bought it like that.

I don't think they will kill Azula. She will return later heavily disfigured from all the burns.

[ByakugenEye]

Does anyone know where i can download or watch this online?

[Stallyns808]

Does anyone know where i can download or watch this online?

http://www.avatarchapter.com/ | http://www.watch-avatar.com/

Or you can always purchase the episodes on iTunes when they come out.

[Gamble]

http://www.avatarchapter.com/ | http://www.watch-avatar.com/

Or you can always purchase the episodes on iTunes when they come out.

BLASPHEMY :LOS

[Stallyns808]

BLASPHEMY :LOS

Meh, I buy the episodes offa iTunes. In fact i've purchased all 3 seasons passes of Avatar on iTunes when each one came out. So :P

[Muk]

so i take it that 12 has not appeared yet

[infinite]

How long are they going to let us wait.
This weekend there is a avatar marathon, but I wanna see the new ep :laugh

[Linkdarkside]

i wached the black sun episodes yesterday and i loved them

[LIL_M0]

So ep 12 (11 or whatever) The Western Air Temple is airing next Friday in the states, right? :huh

[Nikudan Hari Sensha]

I just saw the first 6 minutes of the ep...uh, are Ming and Iroh engaging in some conjugal visit sex (i.e., ever since he was put in jail, Iroh drops that Ming has always been 'kind' to him)?! That's so...adult! It's great!

[Nizuma Eiji]

So ep 12 (11 or whatever) The Western Air Temple is airing next Friday in the states, right? :huh


I doubt it homie, i really do.They'll probably take another break.

[LIL_M0]

I just saw the first 6 minutes of the ep...uh, are Ming and Iroh engaging in some conjugal visit sex (i.e., ever since he was put in jail, Iroh drops that Ming has always been 'kind' to him)?! That's so...adult! It's great!
No it's not. You're just a perv...
I doubt it homie, i really do.They'll probably take another break.
That's kinda odd. I mean, Christmas break isn't for a few weeks, but then again, this IS Nickelodeon I'm talking about. They'll probably air a moronic Sponge Bob marathon.

[The Question]

http://www.avatarchapter.com/ | http://www.watch-avatar.com/

Or you can always purchase the episodes on iTunes when they come out.

animeblogz.com also has episodes if you search under the Avatar section

[Serp]

How much longer till :/ the episode is aired.

[JB the Jedi]

umm, noob Q.

Where do I watch the series online again? missed the last ep on tv.

[C_Akutabi]

umm, noob Q.

Where do I watch the series online again? missed the last ep on tv.

The link was on this very page :P

http://www.watch-avatar.com/

[JB the Jedi]

The link was on this very page :P

http://www.watch-avatar.com/

Lolz, Thnx a bunch. I'm a lazy dude.

[Hio]

wants to see episode 12:pek

[kewlmyc]

wants to see episode 12:pek

Has to wait since Avatar's on break.

[Nikudan Hari Sensha]

It's like a 10-week break right, since they have to re-run it from the biginning of Book 3 again?

[St. Jimmy]

Epic episode Day of black sun was :spaz It saddened me when the swamp dudes bought it like that.

I don't think they will kill Azula. She will return later heavily disfigured from all the burns.

Nothing Happened To Azula...

[JB the Jedi]

Good to see Aang bald again.

[gaara936]

I was kinda dissapointed that on the day of black sun they had to run away but now i cant wait for the next episode. by the way when does the next on come out.

[masterriku]

well to turn away our attention to the fact that we have to wait some unholy time for the new eps(again)

Since the series is about to end I think they should do a prequel about how the avatar came to be or a sequel about another avatar

[Seto Kaiba]

...Where the hell do people get the presumption that Avatar is a Naruto copy?

[The Question]

...Where the hell do people get the presumption that Avatar is a Naruto copy?

Eh, who said that?

[Seto Kaiba]

I just hear it a few times, heard it recently, a few times in this thread, on other sites as well.

[The Question]

The people who say that probably don't really watch Avatar. They probably just see that there's elemental abilities in both shows and think they're the same.

[Chatulio]

Nothing Happened To Azula...

That was in refrence to a potential spoiler a few pages back.

[Raiden]

Nothing Happened To Azula...

We got a summary of episode twelve and based upon it, something did happen to Azula.

[Morwain]

....Must...see....next...episode.....can't....take ...a..break....the....series...just....was...getti ng..really...good....

[Gamble]

The people who say that probably don't really watch Avatar. They probably just see that there's elemental abilities in both shows and think they're the same.

lol.

Avatar isn't the only one that gets crap about copying Naruto though. People will watch Naruto, and then go watch other shows and nitpick everything that reminds them of Naruto and say that they copied their beloved show. Same with DBZ, a good percentage have whined about Naruto (and Bleach) "stealing ideas" from DBZ.

[Shade]

Any news on 12?

[Dimezanime20]

lol.

Avatar isn't the only one that gets crap about copying Naruto though. People will watch Naruto, and then go watch other shows and nitpick everything that reminds them of Naruto and say that they copied their beloved show. Same with DBZ, a good percentage have whined about Naruto (and Bleach) "stealing ideas" from DBZ.

Definitely they were exaggerating if they said it like that, but you would be blind to deny that both Naruto and Bleach are heavily inspired by Akira Toriyama/DB/DBZ.

[The Question]

Meh, if you want to get all philosophical about it, are there truly any 'new' ideas anymore? Ideas tend to be taken, recycled, changed to fit the needs of the person.

[Raiden]

Definitely they were exaggerating if they said it like that, but you would be blind to deny that both Naruto and Bleach are heavily inspired by Akira Toriyama/DB/DBZ.

People make these type of statements often, don't even bother. This is sort of ironic because usually, people say that Naruto copies other shows.

[Snow]

Meh, if you want to get all philosophical about it, are there truly any 'new' ideas anymore? Ideas tend to be taken, recycled, changed to fit the needs of the person.

DBZ is an admitted muse to Kishimoto, though. I could care less if anything I watch "Stole" something from another show. It doesn't make it any less enjoyable for me.

[The Question]

^It doesn't bother me. As long as the story is good, I frankly don't care. I think it's to be expected that a writer finds influence or story ideas from other sources.

[Tenrow]

...Where the hell do people get the presumption that Avatar is a Naruto copy?

You know I don't think that's the worst of it. I think the worst of all of it, is the fact that people who don't watch this show automatically assume that it's white people trying to do anime. I think the funniest comment that I hear from idiots who don't watch this is "Oh these white people at Nickelodeon are trying to be japanese" Which again I find very hilarious because
1) it's not even japanese it's Chinese culture done by yes, a white guy, but also a Korean guy
2) these guys are actually more accurate in terms of martial arts than you see in stuff like DBZ and of course Naruto
3) When people do bring up the Naruto issue and how their copying this, I always have to comment on this. What the hell does Naruto have anything to do with Ninjas up to this point

I mean the thing that most people here who still watch it do realize that nothing Naruto does is anything to be called "ninja." I mean for God Sakes he's a blond 13 year old kid who yells and screams and wears a bright orange jumpsuit. Where does anything of that fit the description of an actual ninja. I mean at least with bending they are basing it off of different martial arts forms.

Sorry I just felt the need to rant about this :laugh

[Cindy]

It's going to be quite a wait for the second part. I'm eager to see Toph interact with Haru..if they can swap Earthbending tips.. and of course Zuko interacting with the entire gaang.

[Stallyns808]

It's going to be quite a wait for the second part. I'm eager to see Toph interact with Haru..if they can swap Earthbending tips.. and of course Zuko interacting with the entire gaang.

I personally could not give a damn about Haru. He even looks more retarded with that facial hair. Zuko interacting with the Gaang will be great, but Zuko & Toph interaction will be fucking epic.

I hope they bring back Jun the bounty hunter and Combustion Man reappears.

[Kusuriuri]

i think aang is going to have to go to into the spirit world in order to open his last chakra
when there he'll have a battle with koh the face stealer.

the writers did say that koh will be coming back, the part with aang and koh in the first season finale was my favourite part so far

[Trias]

Who was Jun again? damn, I can't remember. Which episode did she appear in?

[Stallyns808]

Who was Jun again? damn, I can't remember. Which episode did she appear in?

Jun was the hot bounty hunter chick. She appeared in episode 115, Bato of the Water Tribe.

[Cindy]

I personally could not give a damn about Haru. He even looks more retarded with that facial hair. Zuko interacting with the Gaang will be great, but Zuko & Toph interaction will be fucking epic.

I hope they bring back Jun the bounty hunter and Combustion Man reappears.

Aw, I like him. Then again, I'm a softy for all wussy pretty boys. And I completely agree about Zuko and Toph interaction.

This has been mentioned already, but I want to know.. Combustion Man is going after the Gaang on Zuko's orders, but Zuko's joining the Gaang now.. so.. is Zuko going to call off Combustion Man? Will he defy Zuko and go rogue? I must know!

[Raiden]

No episode yet. I guessing that if it comes out this week, it will be on Friday. Four more days...

[Sunuvmann]

Just started watching, up to episode 4, fucking awesome! It kinda reminds me of if you cross Naruto with Xiaolin Showdown. Actually Aang really reminds me a lot of Omi...beyond the bald monk thing :sag

Very good series and Aang's apeshit mode is fucking awesome.

Oh but I really dislike how Shokka is like an eternal fail guy as while sometimes his slap stick is lulz, he's contantly getting his ass kicked which is pretty sad :facepalm

[Pimp of Pimps]

Just give Sokka a little time Peter. I don't wanna spoil it for you'll but you'll that he'll become more awesome as the series progresses.

Also you probably shouldn't come in here too much if you don't want to get spoiled. :awesome

[Gamble]

Just started watching, up to episode 4, fucking awesome! It kinda reminds me of if you cross Naruto with Xiaolin Showdown. Actually Aang really reminds me a lot of Omi...beyond the bald monk thing :sag

Very good series and Aang's apeshit mode is fucking awesome.

Oh but I really dislike how Shokka is like an eternal fail guy as while sometimes his slap stick is lulz, he's contantly getting his ass kicked which is pretty sad :facepalm

He stays pretty useless until the middle of season 3. :sag

[Kusuriuri]

He stays pretty useless until the middle of season 3. :sag

i would say earlier, halfway through the 2nd season.

p.s., hey timbers, where did you get that Gin picture?, its brilliant, and i like the ANBU mask

[Sunuvmann]

:sag Unless its something on the order of Shokka killed Dumbledore, spoiling wouldn't affect me much. Besides, it'd give me something to look more forward to.

Btw, whats the story of him having an afro? I saw that one time while channel surfing.

[Gamble]

i would say earlier, halfway through the 2nd season.

p.s., hey timbers, where did you get that Gin picture?, its brilliant, and i like the ANBU mask

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd219/Flarecast/gin_by_jiuge.jpg

cut it maiself :awesome

Middle of second season, I don't really remember him doing anything. I'd have to rewatch I guess.

Peter: I guess he's more of a strategist than anything, and he starts utilizing that when season 3 rolls around. Vague I know, but I don't want to spoil shit :sag

[Sunuvmann]

Just wondering, does Ketara (sp?) ever do like fucking godly water bending on the order of Moses parting the Red Sea? That would be tits.

[Gamble]

Katara gets quite fucking awesome as the story progresses.

Waterbending is pretty much rape.

[Snow]

Just wondering, does Ketara (sp?) ever do like fucking godly water bending on the order of Moses parting the Red Sea? That would be tits.

Katara gets epic when she finds a teacher. Right now she can pwn anyone she wants...but she won't.

[Kusuriuri]

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd219/Flarecast/gin_by_jiuge.jpg

cut it maiself :awesome

Middle of second season, I don't really remember him doing anything. I'd have to rewatch I guess.

Peter: I guess he's more of a strategist than anything, and he starts utilizing that when season 3 rolls around. Vague I know, but I don't want to spoil shit :sag

yeah it is awesome.

even as far back as the winter solstice, sokka was the brains of the group, then in the second season he is the one that comes up with the whole plan......also that sword frickin rocks, i guess he has gotten more useful/badass/funnier as the story goes along

also katara turns her moses mode on in the first episode of the third season
and under the right circumstances, she is the most powerful bender....period....for a few hours anyway,lol

[Kira-chan]

We got a summary of episode twelve and based upon it, something did happen to Azula.
It's probably false though.
Katara gets epic when she finds a teacher. Right now she can pwn anyone she wants...but she won't.
At least during a full moon...

[JB the Jedi]

Oh Shit !

Uncle is Beast !

Zuko joining the crew should be epic. Avatar is really turning out to be something amazing.

[Superstarseven]

Just wondering, does Katara ever do like fucking godly water bending on the order of Moses parting the Red Sea? That would be tits.

Something close to that can be seen during the episode The Serpent's Pass. So look out for it.

[Pimp of Pimps]

So this Friday is episode 12, right?

[@lk3mizt]

really? :WOW

[Kira-chan]

So this Friday is episode 12, right?
I don't think so, last I heard it won't be until some time in January at the earliest.

[Gamble]

I don't think so, last I heard it won't be until some time in January at the earliest.

Eww..

Well, it'll be highly anticipated.

[@lk3mizt]

January!? WTF!?

shit. that's a looong wait. :arg

[Jove]

It's not a long wait compared to the last one. One month is practially transient.

Annie Award nominations are out, and Avatar has been almost completely shut out: http://annieawards.org/foryourconsideration.html.


Somehow, their only nomination is in the "Best Animated Video Game," for the totally insubstantial "Burning Earth." How can they continue to overlook the incredible music the Track Team creates for the show?

[Mat®icha]

It's not a long wait compared to the last one. One month is practially transient.

Annie Award nominations are out, and Avatar has been almost completely shut out: http://annieawards.org/foryourconsideration.html.


Somehow, their only nomination is in the "Best Animated Video Game," for the totally insubstantial "Burning Earth." How can they continue to overlook the incredible music the Track Team creates for the show?

useful. thanx.

[Raiden]

So this Friday is episode 12, right?

It better be or someone is going to pay.

[Dbgohan08]

Where can you get screenshots without the Nick logo?

[Jove]

Where can you get screenshots without the Nick logo?

Here's a few spots:

ASN's dvd screenshot database is good, but only goes up to 305: http://www.avatarspiritmedia.net/dvdscreens.php

Blue Spirit Gal has screencaps from 305-309, but with a Nicktoons mark at the upper left: http://www.freewebs.com/bsg-avatar/

Waterbender.net has a LOT of clean screencaps, but really only for Book 2: http://screencaps.water-bender.com/index2.php

If you haven't gone there before, make sure to check out their "Audio" page, which has a lot of music ripped from the show:
http://water-bender.com/audio/

[The Drunken Monkey]

Need more Avatar episodes before suffering from withdrawal.

[Rukie]

The wait for Chapter 12 is going to be unbearable.

The Japanese dub of Avatar should have premiered on Nick Japan a few days ago. I find it cool that for once, Japan is getting a totally awesome show from us dubbed for them. I wonder which version they'll like better, ours (original) or theirs? Unfortunately, I can't seem to find any online clips. :oh :cry

[Piekage]

After rewatching Season 1, I just remembered. Why didn't the invasion forces gather North Pole Waterbenders? I gotta question the point of them going to the South Pole, since it hasn't had any effect on the plot at the moment. Hopefully they'll have some part by the end.

[Jove]

After rewatching Season 1, I just remembered. Why didn't the invasion forces gather North Pole Waterbenders? I gotta question the point of them going to the South Pole, since it hasn't had any effect on the plot at the moment. Hopefully they'll have some part by the end.


I've seen this brought up, but it's not really relevant. In 301 Sokka says that the invasion would be comprised of a group of allies from the Earth Kingdom. Neither of the water tribes were ever a consideration, only the water tribe warriors already present from Hakoda's fleets. And considering that their strategy was a blitzkrieg, bringing a bunch of waterbenders would be burdensome, since they would have had to bring water for them to bend.

[Acidblood7]

It's not a long wait compared to the last one. One month is practially transient.

Annie Award nominations are out, and Avatar has been almost completely shut out: http://annieawards.org/foryourconsideration.html.


Somehow, their only nomination is in the "Best Animated Video Game," for the totally insubstantial "Burning Earth." How can they continue to overlook the incredible music the Track Team creates for the show?

Wow Avatar is not getting its due's.

[Piekage]

I've seen this brought up, but it's not really relevant. In 301 Sokka says that the invasion would be comprised of a group of allies from the Earth Kingdom. Neither of the water tribes were ever a consideration, only the water tribe warriors already present from Hakoda's fleets. And considering that their strategy was a blitzkrieg, bringing a bunch of waterbenders would be burdensome, since they would have had to bring water for them to bend.

I see your point, but I doubt Waterbenders would be a burden, Katara fine example of that.

[Gunners]

I see your point, but I doubt Waterbenders would be a burden, Katara fine example of that.
If things fuck up, you don't want to lose a large chunk of your allies.

[Prodigy-child]

The wait for Chapter 12 is going to be unbearable.

The Japanese dub of Avatar should have premiered on Nick Japan a few days ago. I find it cool that for once, Japan is getting a totally awesome show from us dubbed for them. I wonder which version they'll like better, ours (original) or theirs? Unfortunately, I can't seem to find any online clips. :oh :cry

I agree. I'm really curious to what it sounds like. I've tried searching for it, but no luck. Only found my comments about Avatar on various Japanese blogs. Unfortunately I can't read Japanese.

[Sunuvmann]

Just finished season 1.

And holy fucking epic!

19-20 was made of god and win. Lol Avatar state ocean spirit Aang looked like Swampert XDDDD

I can't wait to reach Toph. I saw the episode where they first meet her as the first episode I saw and she's awesome.

[Noah]

'Bout goddamn time you developed some taste. :awesome

[Sunuvmann]

Up yours Noah :iria

I'd wanted to watch it for a while, just never had time nor a friend who had DVDs I could borrow at a certain time. :pek

[Jove]

Oh no, is the Heroes thread raiding us?! :amuse

Actually, I've noticed a bit of overlap in the fandoms; there's a lot of Avatar/Heroes fans out there. The way I got into Heroes was totally based on Avatar, in a weird way: I got into the show in January, at the beginning of the long hiatus, and found myself a little indifferent towards Heroes when Avatar was debuting at the same time in September.

Peter, you're in for a real treat. Book 2 is, simply put, a masterpiece. And that's not even close to hyperbole. It's staggering to see the run of show put together in Book 2, looking back. And if you thought the Book 1 ender with Koi-zilla was something, wait until you see Crossroads of Destiny!

[Sunuvmann]

Oh no, is the Heroes thread raiding us?! :amuse

Actually, I've noticed a bit of overlap in the fandoms; there's a lot of Avatar/Heroes fans out there. The way I got into Heroes was totally based on Avatar, in a weird way: I got into the show in January, at the beginning of the long hiatus, and found myself a little indifferent towards Heroes when Avatar was debuting at the same time in September.

Peter, you're in for a real treat. Book 2 is, simply put, a masterpiece. And that's not even close to hyperbole. It's staggering to see the run of show put together in Book 2, looking back. And if you thought the Book 1 ender with Koi-zilla was something, wait until you see Crossroads of Destiny!
O Rly. From what I heard in the blender, Book 2 is very tedious...>_>

I hope they are wrong.

[Gamble]

O Rly. From what I heard in the blender, Book 2 is very tedious...>_>

I hope they are wrong.

Book 2 has a darker element to it. It touches on corruption of government and plays around with the character's morality.

I suppose it does feel a tad monotonous during the middle of it, however. The ending of the season was built up really nicely but gets side swiped towards the end and feels really anticlimatic.



And yes, Toph is awesome.

[Jove]

O Rly. From what I heard in the blender, Book 2 is very tedious...>_>

I hope they are wrong.

Nope, not even close. A lot of people complained that Book 2 was slow in the beginning... HOWEVER [/stephen a. smith], watching them all at once nullifies that argument. And for my opinion, it's totally baseless no matter how you watch them, since those early episodes, while not entirely essential, were rock-solid as far as the writing goes.That's dissimiliar to how some of the more dispensable chapters of Book 3 have been, such as 'The Beach." The only episode that might be considered subpar is "Avatar Day."

Another argument is that is isn't as focused as Book 1, which was entirely concerned with the journey to the Northern Water Tribe. This is a flimsy argument since the first half deals with Aang learning earthbending, and the second half deals with Ba Sing Se.

From 306 on, there's absolutely nothing to complain about. It is, however, a very subtle season. Book 2 is where Avatar ascended from it's status as "exceptional 'kids show'" to "one of the best shows on television, period." The finale is a archetype "wham episode."

Oh, and if you're a fan of Zuko, you're really in for a ride.

[Noah]

Avatar Day really is the weakest of Book 2, me thinks. The only thing it really has going for it is Sokka and his boomerang gag. Book 2 isn't as focused as Book 1, but the character development (what really matters, anyway) is far, far superior.

I feel that way about The Beach too. That and the Insomnia episodes are the most filler-esque so far in Book 3, but The Beach has a lot of character development for certain characters. It seems really rushed and forced to a lot of people, but that's because the development beforehand is very subtle compared to that episode.

[Sunuvmann]

So my thinking of this Avatar world.

Fire Nation = Japan.
Earth & Air Nations = China + Korea with the Air being Korea and the areas of China that were greatly massacred during WWII
Water = Pacific islands with a lot of Eskimo mixed in

AND EARTH PEOPLE RIDE CHOCOBOS! :spaz

(Finishing 21 now, couldnt watch for 3 hours due to waiting for MU's happy hour premium)

[Jove]

I feel that way about The Beach too. That and the Insomnia episodes are the most filler-esque so far in Book 3, but The Beach has a lot of character development for certain characters. It seems really rushed and forced to a lot of people, but that's because the development beforehand is very subtle compared to that episode.

Totally agree. The problem I had with that episode was that it started so well.

For a "kid's show," Avatar has a very intricate, artistic way to developing characters and telling the story. Book 2 was full of such artful devices: paralellism between characters and plots, flashback, vignette, and objective correlative, for instance. "The Beach" was fine when the party was used as an OC to draw out emotions from the characters by their actions, but then they had them go to the beach itself and explicitly state what their feeling and their motivations. That's not art, it's lazy writing.


Peter: You're pretty spot-on. Air also has elements of Tibetan monks.

[Sunuvmann]

Heh 22 now, at times Aang reminds me a lot of Charlie Brown.

"I'd rather kiss you than die"

I yelled at my screen, YOU BLOCKHEAD!

Edit: I MEANT KISS xD

[Jove]

Heh 22 now, at times Aang reminds me a lot of Charlie Brown.

"I'd rather kill you than die"

I yelled at my screen, YOU BLOCKHEAD!

He looks a lot better with hair.

202 is one of my favorites, although Nick replayed it about 1,500 times (when they actually replayed Avatar episodes). Pretty good music in that episode, but there's awesome music in every episode, because the Track Team is infallible.

[Stallyns808]

Nope, not even close. A lot of people complained that Book 2 was slow in the beginning... HOWEVER [/stephen a. smith], watching them all at once nullifies that argument. And for my opinion, it's totally baseless no matter how you watch them, since those early episodes, while not entirely essential, were rock-solid as far as the writing goes.That's dissimiliar to how some of the more dispensable chapters of Book 3 have been, such as 'The Beach." The only episode that might be considered subpar is "Avatar Day."

Another argument is that is isn't as focused as Book 1, which was entirely concerned with the journey to the Northern Water Tribe. This is a flimsy argument since the first half deals with Aang learning earthbending, and the second half deals with Ba Sing Se.

From 306 on, there's absolutely nothing to complain about. It is, however, a very subtle season. Book 2 is where Avatar ascended from it's status as "exceptional 'kids show'" to "one of the best shows on television, period." The finale is a archetype "wham episode."

Oh, and if you're a fan of Zuko, you're really in for a ride.

Book two was definitely full of win. Book 3 is a fucking failure imo, with the exception of Zuko's epic moment in episode 311.

[Sunuvmann]

King Bumi and Iroh are easily two of the greatest old people in any media hands down XD

[Stallyns808]

King Bumi and Iroh are easily two of the greatest old people in any media hands down XD

Yeah. Bumi is cool old man, but Iroh is definitely the most badass old man ever!

[Jove]

King Bumi and Iroh are easily two of the greatest old people in any media hands down XD

Oh man, just wait... Iroh reaches whole new levels, then eclipses those. It's too bad his voice actor died during Book 2; you can really tell the difference in Book 3.

[Stallyns808]

Oh man, just wait... Iroh reaches whole new levels, then eclipses those. It's too bad his voice actor died during Book 2; you can really tell the difference in Book 3.

Hmm... yeah. Mako was... is the voice of Iroh. The new guy Greg Baldwin has done an okay job. But Mako's voice was the one we came to recognize as Iroh and it just doesn't seem right for someone to take his place.

[Sunuvmann]

The Boulder feels conflicted about fighting a young blind girl.

Toph: Sounds to me like your scared, Boulder

The Boulder is over his conflicted feelings and now he's ready to bury you in a rockalanche!

Toph: Whenever you're ready, the Pebble! HAHAHAHA!

206 = easily one of my favorites thus far. And Toph is easily one of my top favorite characters XDD

[Jove]

The Boulder feels conflicted about fighting a young blind girl.

Toph: Sounds to me like your scared, Boulder

The Boulder is over his conflicted feelings and now he's ready to bury you in a rockalanche!

Toph: Whenever you're ready, the Pebble! HAHAHAHA!

206 = easily one of my favorites thus far. And Toph is easily one of my top favorite characters XDD

Classic episode, lots of great Sokka humor.

206 is really good, but 207 is my favorite episode of them all.

[Stallyns808]

Classic episode, lots of great Sokka humor.

206 is really good, but 207 is my favorite episode of them all.

Heh, 'Zuko Alone'? Yeah that is also my favorite season two episode. Zuko also happens to by my favorite Avatar character. 206 is my second favorite episode of season two.

[Jove]

Heh, 'Zuko Alone'? Yeah that is also my favorite season two episode. Zuko also happens to by my favorite Avatar character. 206 is my second favorite episode of season two.

He's my favorite as well, although Ozai is pretty close now after 311. One character that has really grown on me is Sokka... looking over the series, his character development really is one of the most satisfying aspects of the show.

[Sunuvmann]

207, Zuko alone was amazing. His character, it reminds me a lot of Hamlet / Simba except without the emo. It would be awesome if he eventually joins Aang toward the end of the story and while defeating his father, claims the throne that belongs to him.

Oh and his sister is a bitch. Sokka would go great with her. S&M and the like.

[Jove]

207, Zuko alone was amazing. His character, it reminds me a lot of Hamlet / Simba except without the emo. It would be awesome if he eventually joins Aang toward the end of the story and while defeating his father, claims the throne that belongs to him.

Oh and his sister is a bitch. Sokka would go great with her. S&M and the like.

Hahaha, believe me, if there's a combination of characters, it's been discussed in the Avatar fandom.

Azula is an exceptional well-done character; she is especially awesome in 213, which is also a mind-blowingly great episode. Every time I watched Heroes this season, I kept thinking about how one-dimensionally cartoonish the "Elle" character was with her stilted sociopathic one-liners, especially compared to Azula. Azula totally usurps book 2 at times.

[Stallyns808]

207, Zuko alone was amazing. His character, it reminds me a lot of Hamlet / Simba except without the emo. It would be awesome if he eventually joins Aang toward the end of the story and while defeating his father, claims the throne that belongs to him.

Oh and his sister is a bitch. Sokka would go great with her. S&M and the like.

:laugh Azula is indeed a bitch. But I like her, she plays the role of evil bitch so well. The fact that she's hot also helps. :hehee

[Sunuvmann]

209 - Zuko learning lightening. Okay, seriously, the people who try and deny a connection between Naruto and Avatar must be seriously ignorant not to read something from that.

But a good episode. I always enjoy these training ones.

Oh and Toph would easily be on top if with Aang :awesome

[Superstarseven]

Book two was definitely full of win. Book 3 is a fucking failure imo, with the exception of Zuko's epic moment in episode 311.

Wow dude! No It isn't. What in the world have you been watching.
I'd like to sit down with you and watch this F'ing failure 'cause it sure isn't what I've been watching every week.
I'll bring the popcorn and Kit-Kats, you pick the day.

[Stallyns808]

Wow dude! No It isn't. What in the world have you been watching.
I'd like to sit down with you and watch this F'ing failure 'cause it sure isn't what I've been watching every week.
I'll bring the popcorn and Kit-Kats, you pick the day.

Overall I don't think season 3 is that great so far. That's just my opinion.

[@lk3mizt]

lol, Peter is a full blown avatar-tard now! :awesome

[Sunuvmann]

211 - Sokka on Cactus LSD, funniest. shit. ever.
212 - TOPH ACCIDENTAL LESBIAN KISS AWESOME!
213 - Drill, phallic symbol much :awesome

[Jove]

211 - Sokka on Cactus LSD, funniest. shit. ever.
212 - TOPH ACCIDENTAL LESBIAN KISS AWESOME!
213 - Drill, phallic symbol much :awesome

Sokka steals that episode.

Azula v. Aang is probably my favorite fight in the entire series. Also one of my favorite bits of music is the score underneath Aang's final blow, as sort of a reinterpretation of the title theme.

[Nexas]

So I've finally caught up on the the episodes of book III and I got to say Zuko just single-handedly saved this season from mediocrity with the end of 311.

[joetachi16]

I found a thread in 2ch that talks about what the japanese think of avatar and im really curious i want to know that they think. http://anime3.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/cartoon/1194621717/-100

[Superstarseven]

So I've finally caught up on the the episodes of book III and I got to say Zuko just single-handedly saved this season from mediocrity with the end of 311.

What so everything up to 311 sucked and didn't deserve to be aired?
Once again, watching 2 different shows.

Anyway for those wondering about Japanese dubbed Avatar, check this out.
It's a trailer for the show with a Japanese voiceover saying God knows what and you get to check out Aang's voice.

Avatar: Densetu No Shonen Aang
http://www.nickjapan.com/programs/avatar/index.html

[Emery]

Some people on the 2chan board are saying it rips off from Naruto.


lol


Morons.

[Sunuvmann]

OMFG! (219&220) TOPH THE FIRST METAL BENDER! FUCK YEAH!

Nice Zuko is okay...but I can't wait for bad ass comeback

Did I ever tell you about how I got the name Dragon of the West?
I don't want a lengthy story uncle
Its more of a demonstration really *breathes fire*

Iroh is the garest old dude ever!

:D: SO DISSAPOINTING! :arg

I WANTED CLIMACTIC ZUKO AND SISTER SHOWDOWN! NOT HIM TO PUSSY OUT :yell

[Jove]

OMFG! (219&220) TOPH THE FIRST METAL BENDER! FUCK YEAH!

Nice Zuko is okay...but I can't wait for bad ass comeback

Did I ever tell you about how I got the name Dragon of the West?
I don't want a lengthy story uncle
Its more of a demonstration really *breathes fire*

Iroh is the garest old dude ever!

:D: SO DISSAPOINTING! :arg

I WANTED CLIMACTIC ZUKO AND SISTER SHOWDOWN! NOT HIM TO PUSSY OUT :yell

Hahahaha, this is really awesome. It's cool seeing these reactions again. Zuko's double-twist was amazing. . The first time I saw it, I was frozen. Made a LOT of people very angry. Artistically, it was a brilliant choice. 220 is just a flat-out incredible episode. It really brings together all the themes of Book 2: manipulation, acceptance, the deceit of appearances, the Avatar State, etc.

Some people on the 2chan board are saying it rips off from Naruto.


lol


Morons.

Oy. :facepalm

Next they'll say that their voice actors are better than the originals.

[Sunuvmann]

Hahahaha, this is really awesome. It's cool seeing these reactions again. Zuko's double-twist was amazing. . The first time I saw it, I was frozen. Made a LOT of people very angry. Artistically, it was a brilliant choice. 220 is just a flat-out incredible episode. It really brings together all the themes of Book 2: manipulation, acceptance, the deceit of appearances, the Avatar State, etc.



Oy. :facepalm

Next they'll say that their voice actors are better than the originals.
If it wasn't for the massive amount of work I need to have finished in less than 23 hours, I'd totally marathon the rest until 5 AM :D:

Oh and after 220, I really must say what the shit to those who are Zuko x Katara over Aang x Katara (glares at Iria)

Oh and once Zuko and Aang do eventually team up, I'd totally want to make an AMV to the Tenacious D song Wonderboy

Listen and you can understand the relevance :hehee

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kav-U_mgklk

[fireofthewill]

209 - Zuko learning lightening. Okay, seriously, the people who try and deny a connection between Naruto and Avatar must be seriously ignorant not to read something from that.

But a good episode. I always enjoy these training ones.

Oh and Toph would easily be on top if with Aang :awesome

Umm, I'm sorry, but I'm trying, and I can't see the connection. Lightnings the next stage of firebending, and since the antagonist is the fire nation, and since Azula's shown the ability, it should be obvious that Zuko would eventually try to harness its power. Avatar gets so much more inspiration from ancient Asian culture and martial arts (they are much more realistic than any other show I've watched) and there may be similarities between Avatar and Naruto (which I think is pushing it, especially since Kishi's idea for the elements was tacked on way into the series, while Avatar's whole theme is based on it since the beginning).

Since Avatar is so connected to the four elements theme, it would only make sense that they would connect the rest of the Earth's natural phenomenons to these four elements (I'm not sure if you've watched this yet, but the Guru speech about "we are all connected" ties in very well to this), just as ancient cultures tried to simplify many of Earth's mysteries by categorizing it. The only thing that causes similarities is that they both draw inspiration from the same cultures and I've seen very weak evidence that Avatar is borrowing at all from Naruto, especially since I consider Avatar to have a much more well established world (rather than Naruto, which is much more character-based, while Avatar tries to do both).

Edit: By the way, the Avatar creators actually admitted to getting inspiration from several anime sources, which you can find more about in the wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_airbender#Cinema_and_books . They admit influence from Cowboy Bebob, Princess Mononoke, Samurai Champloo, some other anime sources, and a ton of other Asian and Western influences. I thought it was really interesting (if Wiki is really correct, but I'm pretty sure it is). No offense to Naruto fans, but I don't really think Naruto is the cream of the crop for a source of inspiration; its just what we can most closely identify with since we're following it currently.

[Sunuvmann]

Umm, I'm sorry, but I'm trying, and I can't see the connection. Lightnings the next stage of firebending, and since the antagonist is the fire nation, and since Azula's shown the ability, it should be obvious that Zuko would eventually try to harness its power. Avatar gets so much more inspiration from ancient Asian culture and martial arts (they are much more realistic than any other show I've watched) and there may be similarities between Avatar and Naruto (which I think is pushing it, especially since Kishi's idea for the elements was tacked on way into the series, while Avatar's whole theme is based on it since the beginning).

Since Avatar is so connected to the four elements theme, it would only make sense that they would connect the rest of the Earth's natural phenomenons to these four elements (I'm not sure if you've watched this yet, but the Guru speech about "we are all connected" ties in very well to this), just as ancient cultures tried to simplify many of Earth's mysteries by categorizing it. The only thing that causes similarities is that they both draw inspiration from the same cultures and I've seen very weak evidence that Avatar is borrowing at all from Naruto, especially since I consider Avatar to have a much more well established world (rather than Naruto, which is much more character-based, while Avatar tries to do both).
Nay it may not have borrowed from it, that is something we won't know unless they say so. But there are countless similarities in characters and parallels.

1) Main Characters: Both massively powerful, fate of the world on their shoulders, emotionally coming to terms with that and the power within them and their responsibilities
2) Rivals: Both were betrayed by families and lost the ones they loved the most, have siblings that are trying their best to fuck up their lives, want to gain power to take back that which is theirs
3) Geography: Elemental and nature based
4) Powers of MC and Rival: MC, wind (while Naruto had introduced wind the element later, Rasengan is seemingly a wind attack and very much looking like the ball Aang rides on) Rival, Fire and (eventually for Zuko) Electricity
5) Non-powered friends: Fighters, want to still kick ass even though they cant do crazy freaky tricks

There are many differences, no shit, but on the surface if you haven't watched a lot of the show, it will undoubtedly look like they came from a similar mold. Trying to deny that is truly arrogant.

And considering this is NARUTO forum, not expecting a perpetual stream of people trying to draw parallels is naive and foolish.

Hell it could all be since they both are from Chinese legends and that is a common theme.

The one thing you can give Avatar is they have a clearly defined Final Villain and objective ever since the first episode.


But the thing that made me go what the shit is Sand Benders. Is that supposed to be like a specialty of Earth Bending, or Earth Bending using the style of Air (since moving the flow of Sand is like that of Air) or what?

[Vasp]

1) Main Characters: Both massively powerful, fate of the world on their shoulders, emotionally coming to terms with that and the power within them and their responsibilities
2) Rivals: Both were betrayed by families and lost the ones they loved the most, have siblings that are trying their best to fuck up their lives, want to gain power to take back that which is theirs
3) Geography: Elemental and nature based
4) Powers of MC and Rival: MC, wind (while Naruto had introduced wind the element later, Rasengan is seemingly a wind attack and very much looking like the ball Aang rides on) Rival, Fire and (eventually for Zuko) Electricity
5) Non-powered friends: Fighters, want to still kick ass even though they cant do crazy freaky tricks

You do realize how amazingly common these facts all are in so many anime's/manga's/tv shows/movies/books/THE FUCKING GLOBE (#4 possibly being an exception).

It bugs me how people can be like "omg, Naruto stole the idea of elements from Pokemon. And Avatar stole it from Naruto". Because the idea of nature and the elements were all clearly made by some video game or some manga, and aren't derived from the real world that has existed for millions of years (Ok, only a few thousand years if your religious).

Face facts, coming up with an original idea for plot or story or character design or anything like that is so extremely difficult. And even if you think you have, odds are there is some aspect of that idea that has already been used before. And if that idea ever gets on the internet, then the internet tards will claim you stole it from something or whatever.

Honestly, stop trying to find how shows are original or how they stole from one another and just enjoy them for what they are =/

[fireofthewill]

Nay it may not have borrowed from it, that is something we won't know unless they say so. But there are countless similarities in characters and parallels.

1) Main Characters: Both massively powerful, fate of the world on their shoulders, emotionally coming to terms with that and the power within them and their responsibilities
2) Rivals: Both were betrayed by families and lost the ones they loved the most, have siblings that are trying their best to fuck up their lives, want to gain power to take back that which is theirs
3) Geography: Elemental and nature based
4) Powers of MC and Rival: MC, wind (while Naruto had introduced wind the element later, Rasengan is seemingly a wind attack and very much looking like the ball Aang rides on) Rival, Fire and (eventually for Zuko) Electricity
5) Non-powered friends: Fighters, want to still kick ass even though they cant do crazy freaky tricks

There are many differences, no shit, but on the surface if you haven't watched a lot of the show, it will undoubtedly look like they came from a similar mold. Trying to deny that is truly arrogant.

And considering this is NARUTO forum, not expecting a perpetual stream of people trying to draw parallels is naive and foolish.

Hell it could all be since they both are from Chinese legends and that is a common theme.

The one thing you can give Avatar is they have a clearly defined Final Villain and objective ever since the first episode.


But the thing that made me go what the shit is Sand Benders. Is that supposed to be like a specialty of Earth Bending, or Earth Bending using the style of Air (since moving the flow of Sand is like that of Air) or what?

I expect people to see similarities, but I get frustrated as hell when people say Avatar steals stuff from Naruto, and when you said "deny the connection," it seemed like you implied that. By the way, let me break up your points:
1. No shit, you gave me every shounen and half of every action story ever made.

2. Most rivals are tormented by something. Anyways, Sasuke and Zuko are completely different. Zuko is much more emotional, much more flawed, less talented, and their family life is completely different. Sasuke was screwed over by one brother, while Zuko had his whole family, save Iroh, against him and the family dynamic is completely different. I'm not going to go very much into this, since it would take a while, but i think this is a stretch.

3. This is an extreme stretch, especially since Naruto didn't even make the nature connection until after Avatar was created (all we knew beforehand was that they were techniques). Plus, it kind of ties in together with the whole balance of nature theme that ancient cultures believed in.

4. When you said Rasengan looked like a wind attack and that Aang rides on a ball, I laughed. Seriously, Aang's whole style revolves around circles. Read the wiki article, its actually quite informative. Bu Gau, the martial art Airbending is based on, believes that power lies in circular motion and is the basis for the airbending style. You know whats a bunch of circles creates, a ball. Plus, fire is usually a symbol of destruction. You know any other element (like that one fire general says) that ravages and consumes everything else if not left under control, so its a great symbol for the anatgonists. I'm glad you brought in the sand-bending too. What is lightning most closely associated with, fire (remember, when lightning strikes, it causes fire). Avatar is trying to tie in everything in the world (metal, lightning, ice, sand, plants) around these four elements so it makes sense that since they created the antagonists as firebenders, Zuko would eventually have to learn lightning.

5.Yeah... this is getting ridiculous. The fact that there are non-bending fighters is connected to Naruto, where the only "normal" fighter is Lee, and possibly Tenten. Avatar values the martial arts, so it wouldn't make sense if they made all other martial artists crap.

There are definitely similarities, but I could definitely see Avatar being created without the creators ever watching Naruto. Much of the evidence that they're copying is flimsy at best and most of the "similarities" are inspirations from chinese culture and martial arts. Again, I don't really think Naruto is prime inspiration material for them anyways.

[Jove]

But the thing that made me go what the shit is Sand Benders. Is that supposed to be like a specialty of Earth Bending, or Earth Bending using the style of Air (since moving the flow of Sand is like that of Air) or what?

It's a specialized style of earthbending. Like swampbending is a derivative of waterbending, or lightning for firebending. I'm not really sure what gave Kishi the idea to give the Land of Wind a sand village.

[Sunuvmann]

It's a specialized style of earthbending. Like swampbending is a derivative of waterbending, or lightning for firebending. I'm not really sure what gave Kishi the idea to give the Land of Wind a sand village.
Well swampbending wasn't really bending of swamp, just a water tribe in the swamp which used water in plants to move them.

And Lightening is more a refined fire bending like Toph's metal bending is to Earth.

The fact that they call it Sand bending instead of Earth benders who mastered using Sand just seems curious to me. Or that is just too long so they shortened it.

Middle East? :awesome

[Superstarseven]

Interesting that no over ever talks about Avatar and the shows and or films that were actually used as influences. Wanna try?

Kung Fu (1960's series)
Hong Kong action
Gainax
Studio 4°C
Studio Ghibli
Production I.G.
Samurai Champloo
Cowboy Bebop
FLCL

I know Giancarlo Volpe (storyboard artist and Director on the show) considers himself a Naruto fan although he's only watched the Dub on Cartoon Network but he's got a nice little action figure collection alongside Stars Wars and of course Avatar.
Naruto though most certainly had no influence when the concept of the show was being thought up.

[Sunuvmann]

305- Beach Volleyball. SERIOUS. FUCKING. BUSINESS! xDDDDDDD

Btw, Black sword for Sokka, nice touch.

Lmao. The surfer dude named Ron Jon.

Oh and Zuko and the goth chick = definition of made for each other.

And Zuko's sister = definition of social misfit :sag

[Raiden]

^You caught up pretty fast :oh
You've only got a couple of episodes to go, and even though you'll have to wait for the next one like the rest of us, atleast you will know what we'll be talking about.

[Sunuvmann]

When will 312 hit? Are they taking a break or something? Because judging from the title, they just reached the climax....:sag

[Jove]

Interesting that no over ever talks about Avatar and the shows and or films that were actually used as influences. Wanna try?

Kung Fu (1960's series)
Hong Kong action
Gainax
Studio 4°C
Studio Ghibli
Production I.G.
Samurai Champloo
Cowboy Bebop
FLCL

I know Giancarlo Volpe (storyboard artist and Director on the show) considers himself a Naruto fan although he's only watched the Dub on Cartoon Network but he's got a nice little action figure collection alongside Stars Wars and of course Avatar.
Naruto though most certainly had no influence when the concept of the show was being thought up.

Ah, so you saw that picture on Volpe's DA acount as well. He did an excellent job blurring any spoiler material, the bastard.

You hit all the major influences right there. Konietzko seems to be a major Miyazaki obsessive; he rarely neglects to mention his influence in interviews. There are also episode specific influences: Spaghetti Western ("Zuko Alone," "The Chase"), Anthology film ("Tales of Ba Sing Se"), Rashomon ("The Great Divide"), Anime non-manga based filler (also "The Great Divide), and John Hughes/Brat Pack ("The Beach").

When will 312 hit? Are they taking a break or something? Because judging from the title, they just reached the climax....:sag

That's actually a point of contention at the moment. There's a strong rumor going around that YTV in Canada is going to air 312 Friday. Opinions vary on it's validity. In the US, the second half of Book 3 won't begin until February, possibly March.

[Freija]

Avatar fucking rocks, just started watcing this

[Sunuvmann]

Ah, so you saw that picture on Volpe's DA acount as well. He did an excellent job blurring any spoiler material, the bastard.

You hit all the major influences right there. Konietzko seems to be a major Miyazaki obsessive; he rarely neglects to mention his influence in interviews. There are also episode specific influences: Spaghetti Western ("Zuko Alone," "The Chase"), Anthology film ("Tales of Ba Sing Se"), Rashomon ("The Great Divide"), Anime non-manga based filler (also "The Great Divide), and John Hughes/Brat Pack ("The Beach").



That's actually a point of contention at the moment. There's a strong rumor going around that YTV in Canada is going to air 312 Friday. Opinions vary on it's validity. In the US, the second half of Book 3 won't begin until February, possibly March.
:D:

Well hopefully Heroes comes back then to bring a massively massive mass of win back to the Theatre.

306 was I think my single favoritest episode thus far. Simply because it was very very good.

[Jove]

306 was I think my single favoritest episode thus far. Simply because it was very very good.

Definitely one of the strongest of Book 3. The parallel narrative was handled deftly, and Roku is simply awesome. His four-element bend floored people at Comic-Con. The episode also has a wallop of a reveal at the end. Did open up a few time-line discrepancies, though.

[UltimateDeadpool]

And Lightening is more a refined fire bending like Toph's metal bending is to Earth.

The fact that they call it Sand bending instead of Earth benders who mastered using Sand just seems curious to me. Or that is just too long so they shortened it.

The way Iroh explained lightning, it sounds as if any bender can use it. And from what he said, you cannot control lightning, only direct it... does that still constitute as "Lightningbending" if one cannot "bend" it? And I really don't understand the connection between fire and lightning anyway. Waterbenders using ice, I understand; Earthbenders bending metal, I understand... but fire and lightning? Is it because they're both forms of energy?

I think "Sandbender" is a special nickname that was used for them since the only "earth" around them to bend is sand, no rocks, stones, boulders, or even dirt... just sand.

I wonder what kind of secondary attribute Airbenders could have? And on a different note, why does Firebending appear to be the least impressive of the bending styles? While we've seen a few creative uses, it mainly consists of fireballs... do Firebenders possess any creativity?

[Emery]

^ Climate bending. :LOS

[Sunuvmann]

Definitely one of the strongest of Book 3. The parallel narrative was handled deftly, and Roku is simply awesome. His four-element bend floored people at Comic-Con. The episode also has a wallop of a reveal at the end. Did open up a few time-line discrepancies, though.
Not really, Rokou's daughter + I forgot his name's son makes Zuko's father.

Earth -> Metal
Water -> Ice
Fire -> Lightening
Air -> Vaccum?

Its really hard to think of a secondary state for Air as while the others are a derivative of the natural element, there isn't much to air unless you say split it into oxygen hydrogen, etc. Though theoretically, an air bender would be able to have mastery of all elements => Carbon from CO2 yielding Earth, H + 20 = Water, Oxidization = Fire. Perhaps Air is intended as the master element?

[UltimateDeadpool]

Not really, Rokou's daughter + I forgot his name's son makes Zuko's father.

Earth -> Metal
Water -> Ice
Fire -> Lightening
Air -> Vaccum?

Its really hard to think of a secondary state for Air as while the others are a derivative of the natural element, there isn't much to air unless you say split it into oxygen hydrogen, etc. Though theoretically, an air bender would be able to have mastery of all elements => Carbon from CO2 yielding Earth, H + 20 = Water, Oxidization = Fire. Perhaps Air is intended as the master element?

Err, wait. Zuko's mother was Roku's granddaughter, right?

A vacuum is just wind. Hmm, perhaps Airbenders can control the weather?

[Sunuvmann]

Err, wait. Zuko's mother was Roku's granddaughter, right?
They didn't make that clear. It could have been his or his father's mother.

I like the line at the end of 308. Congratulations Katara, you're a blood bender. Awesome. But also great power up for Katara.

Fire is seeming more and more like the weakest of the elements. All of the others have good balance in offense and defense and Fire is seemingly weak on defense while putting more into offense. The only way to defend with fire is to have an explosion to repulse the rock / water / air coming at you. The other elements can shield quite handily against fire power. And a defensive explosion is a double edged sword.

Also weather is just heat and water. A water bender would be able to manipulate weather just as much as an air bender could.

[Jove]

Not really, Rokou's daughter + I forgot his name's son makes Zuko's father.

Earth -> Metal
Water -> Ice
Fire -> Lightening
Air -> Vaccum?


Ah, but it would be Zuko's mom Ursa who would be from Roku's bloodline, not Ozai.

Anyway, that's not what I was getting at; I should have phrased that better. What I meant was that one of the good things about the episode was the reveal, but one of the vexing things about it was that it opened up some time-line holes in the series canon. Basically, the episode portrays Sozin and Roku as being the same age, but by the numbers Sozin is 12 years older. Something's not right there.

[Sunuvmann]

Ah, but it would be Zuko's mom Ursa who would be from Roku's bloodline, not Ozai.

Anyway, that's not what I was getting at; I should have phrased that better. What I meant was that one of the good things about the episode was the reveal, but one of the vexing things about it was that it opened up some time-line holes in the series canon. Basically, the episode portrays Sozin and Roku as being the same age, but by the numbers Sozin is 12 years older. Something's not right there.
How so?

They said they had the same birthday. It doesn't necessarily mean that they were born the same year, only the same day. And he could have died, begun his invasion and it was 12 years before the war reached the Air benders. And Aang didn't know about the war since he lived in an isolated society and only the upper monks knew about it. Hence why they told Aang then. The Fire Nation had probably just reached their lands so they couldn't wait until he was 16.

[UltimateDeadpool]

I remember now: Ozai's father was Azulon, Sozin's son. Ursa is Roku's granddaughter, Ozai's wife and Zuko's & Azula's mother.

[Nizuma Eiji]

Roku & his wife = Child
Roku's child + some guy = Ursa
Ursa + Ozai = Zuko & Azula


EDIT: I guess me & Deadpool, know our stuff.

[Jove]

How so?

They said they had the same birthday. It doesn't necessarily mean that they were born the same year, only the same day. And he could have died, begun his invasion and it was 12 years before the war reached the Air benders. And Aang didn't know about the war since he lived in an isolated society and only the upper monks knew about it. Hence why they told Aang then. The Fire Nation had probably just reached their lands so they couldn't wait until he was 16.

I probably shouldn' have brought this up; it's beyond the show itself and has to do with the Avatarspirit.net interview with series creators Mike DiMartino)and Bryan Konietzko, the Escape From the Spirit World shorts (confirmed as canon by DiMartino), and Nick.com's Avatar page. So from all that, I constructed this timeline:

-400 before Discovery of Aang: Kyoshi Born (Stated in The Warriors of Kyoshi)
-170 before DOA: Kyoshi dies at age 230; Roku born. (Stated in Escape From the Spirit World)
-112 before DOA: Roku dies due to Sozin savvy, at age 58; Aang born
-100 before DOA: Aang disappears; Sozin grows weary of his immortal savvy, uses comet to start war
-80 before DOA: Sozin dies at age 102, in final act of savvy (Nick.com)
-75 or 28 before DOA: Azulon becomes Fire Lord (in Zuko Alone, they state that he ruled for 23 years, but the ASN interview has Konietzko say he ruled for 75)
-5 before DOA: Azulon dies at age of 95 (ASN interview); Ozai becomes Fire Lord
-2 Before DOA: Zuko gets face blasted the fuck up
0: DOA

Notice that if Sozin died at 102, 32 years after Roku's death, then he was 70 years old on that volcano. But Roku, by the numbers, was 58. Sozin was 12 years older than Roku in that entire episode? I don't think there was that much of a difference.

[Prodigy-child]

http://www.nickjapan.com/programs/avatar/index.html

NickJapan released a small trailer thing of Avatar dubbed in Japanese. Its only random narrator's voice, but you do hear Katara's laughter and here Aang yell "penguins" in Japanese XD

[UltimateDeadpool]

Notice that if Sozin died at 102, 32 years after Roku's death, then he was 70 years old on that volcano. But Roku, by the numbers, was 58. Sozin was 12 years older than Roku in that entire episode? I don't think there was that much of a difference.

Yeah, I think they screwed up. Roku at the volcano looked about 70+ himself.

[Sunuvmann]

Caught up. Most epic invasion I've seen since Teppellin.

Well I can't say I am surprised they lost. Aang still needs to master Fire. I'm betting the first task will be finding the old dude from season 1.

Zuko owned hard this episode. But this makes me lol. This show is nearly as bad as One Piece in the nobody dies lol department.

[Rukie]

Caught up. Most epic invasion I've seen since Teppellin.

Well I can't say I am surprised they lost. Aang still needs to master Fire. I'm betting the first task will be finding the old dude from season 1.

Zuko owned hard this episode. But this makes me lol. This show is nearly as bad as One Piece in the nobody dies lol department.
Jet dies, Roku dies (technically, if you don't count the whole reincarnation thing), Yue dies, all the airbenders die... well, I might be getting a little overboard with it.

Characters have died. They're just toning it down a bit because it's on Nickelodeon.

As for One Piece... well, um... yea, you're right, no one has officially died in One Piece, have they? Well, I guess there's Belmere (Nami's adopted mom) and the Going Merry, but that would be kinda stretching it (heheh, unintended pun).

[Sunuvmann]

Jet dies, Roku dies (technically, if you don't count the whole reincarnation thing), Yue dies, all the airbenders die... well, I might be getting a little overboard with it.

Characters have died. They're just toning it down a bit because it's on Nickelodeon.

As for One Piece... well, um... yea, you're right, no one has officially died in One Piece, have they? Well, I guess there's Belmere (Nami's adopted mom) and the Going Merry, but that would be kinda stretching it (heheh, unintended pun).
Well One Piece, no non-flashback characters die.

Yue didn't die, she became one with the moon :awesome

Roku, flashback + reincarnation, doesn't count.

And Jet, who cares, he sucked. :sag

[Noah]

Who wants to bet that Jet was just hurt really bad and he ends up coming back before the end?

I don't, but I wouldn't be too surprised.

[Rukie]

Who wants to bet that Jet was just hurt really bad and he ends up coming back before the end?

I don't, but I wouldn't be too surprised.
Jet's dead, I remember reading somewhere that the creators confirmed it due to all the fans obsessing over him.
And Jet, who cares, he sucked. :sag
Careful what you say... Jet actually does have a moderate number fans.

[Sunuvmann]

He was a dick to the Hero and the Antihero. He has no real fan base except some girls who liked his bad boy obsessive compulsive attitude.

[Jove]

He was a dick to the Hero and the Antihero. He has no real fan base except some girls who liked his bad boy obsessive compulsive attitude.

You have to admit, that was a pretty sweet sword fight. Won me over, even if Zuko would have shredded him up with more time.

[Acidblood7]

http://www.nickjapan.com/programs/avatar/index.html

Nick Japan released a small trailer thing of Avatar dubbed in Japanese. Its only random narrator's voice, but you do hear Katara's laughter and here Aang yell "penguins" in Japanese XD

So thats the Title of the Avatar show in Japan? Legend of Aang...huh. Plus are they just now getting Japanese dubbed Avatar?

[Superstarseven]

So thats the Title of the Avatar show in Japan? Legend of Aang...huh. Plus are they just now getting Japanese dubbed Avatar?

Yeah it just started airing there on Dec. 1st.
By the way Aang's VO Actress is Asuka Nakase, not sure if that name means anything to anyone. I think it'd be great if Dattebayo released a translation of a dubbed Avatar episode as a YHBT when Shippuuden takes another break.
Ahh...wishful thinking.

[Gamble]

Caught up. Most epic invasion I've seen since Teppellin.

Well I can't say I am surprised they lost. Aang still needs to master Fire. I'm betting the first task will be finding the old dude from season 1.

Zuko owned hard this episode. But this makes me lol. This show is nearly as bad as One Piece in the nobody dies lol department.

"Hay guys lol we just launched a full front invasion on the fire kingdom, but we're going to surrender ourselves because we'll definitely be held prisoners. They wouldn't even think to kill us lol."

:sag

[Triggerhappy69]

"Hay guys lol we just launched a full front invasion on the fire kingdom, but we're going to surrender ourselves because we'll definitely be held prisoners. They wouldn't even think to kill us lol."

:sag

Well, it's either that or resist and get killed anyway :sag

[Stallyns808]

"Hay guys lol we just launched a full front invasion on the fire kingdom, but we're going to surrender ourselves because we'll definitely be held prisoners. They wouldn't even think to kill us lol."

:sag

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

That is so true.

[xwx]

waterbending just seems to be too overpowered. air->?,earth->metal, fire->lightning, water->freezeing-healing-controlling anyone during the full moon, and after 308 Katar can extract water even from air? Beside these all things, waterbending is as useable for fights as the other elements. it is definitely the most powerful element even if i dont count bloodbending

[Shade]

Someone sub that Japanese Avatar. XD

[masterriku]

I just realized the dai-li(don't kill me on the spelling) are a bunch of ungrateful bastards with out the avatar they would not even exist yet they attack the currant one with out guilt wtf those bastards.

[Sunuvmann]

I just realized the dai-li(don't kill me on the spelling) are a bunch of ungrateful bastards with out the avatar they would not even exist yet they attack the currant one with out guilt wtf those bastards.
They are the Hitler Youth :awesome

Brainwashing and the like.

[Raiden]

Who wants to bet that Jet was just hurt really bad and he ends up coming back before the end?

I don't, but I wouldn't be too surprised.

That's what I found very cryptic. Jet seemed to be dead but then again, that was never said; we could only predict such a thing. If he does come back, we'll see yet some more romance before the series ends. Katara not only now has to deal with Aang since he kissed her but with jet around, would have to surpress her infatuation with him.

[Sunuvmann]

That's what I found very cryptic. Jet seemed to be dead but then again, that was never said; we could only predict such a thing. If he does come back, we'll see yet some more romance before the series ends. Katara not only now has to deal with Aang since he kissed her but with jet around, would have to surpress her infatuation with him.
Jet's dead. Like last page or something, the authors were said to have confirmed his off screen lol.dead.

[Dimezanime20]

Interesting that no over ever talks about Avatar and the shows and or films that were actually used as influences. Wanna try?

That is coming from a noob? Have you actually read every page in this thread?

[Superstarseven]

That is coming from a noob? Have you actually read every page in this thread?

A noob? There's a first time for everything I suppose.
Have I read all 197 pages in this thread? No, I'll admit to that.

[Nizuma Eiji]

Yup Jet's officially most definitely dead. Deader than Brittaney Spear's career. ZIIIIIIIING!!!!

[Shinji-san]

That was pretty bad...

Hahah

[Shinji-san]

Its really hard to think of a secondary state for Air as while the others are a derivative of the natural element, there isn't much to air unless you say split it into oxygen hydrogen, etc. Though theoretically, an air bender would be able to have mastery of all elements => Carbon from CO2 yielding Earth, H + 20 = Water, Oxidization = Fire. Perhaps Air is intended as the master element?
Well, if you break it down like that, what air is really composed of is Nitrogen Oxide (NO I think, not sure though), at least that is the stuff that surrounds us. Maybe he can only bend it in this form, lol.

Anyway, I don't really see a second state being attached to Airbending. As someone else mentioned, creating a vaccum is about all else it can do. Since it pushes and pulls air around, why not just pull all the air out of one area.

Not sure if this question was answered (been reading pages, forgot what was said on what), but Lightning is connected to fire in that both burn. When lightning strikes a tree, what does it do? Burn.

Iroh explained that Lightning was created when you split your Yin and Yang appart, creating unbalance and unstable energy. All you do then is aim and fire.

[masterriku]

what do you think is worse the hunterxhunter manga or Avatar with hiatuses?

[Trias]

How about One Piece's story?

[Roy Mustang]

holy crap!

epic episode, just finished watching on canadian tv

i feel sorta bad for Zuko at start, all the member of the team are assholes but Toph

[Gamble]

Wait ep 12 is out :pek?

[Roy Mustang]

hell yes :LOS

[kewlmyc]

hell yes :LOS

Wait, where? When? How? Give us a summary!

[Gamble]

Maybe a new episode aired tonight and I didn't know it? =$

[Kilowog]

wait let me go check my directtv

EDIT: nick 1 is showing home improvement, nick 2 is showing Spongebob Atlantis Squarepantis. is this a leak?

[kewlmyc]

wait let me go check my directtv

EDIT: nick 1 is showing home improvement, nick 2 is showing Spongebob Atlantis Squarepantis. is this a leak?

He said it was in canada.

[Kilowog]

He said it was in canada.

doi, need to learn to read better:P CANADA *shakes fist*

[Gamble]

the one time Canada 1-up's us :pek Damn you, Roy :sag :sag

[Emery]

What the fudge? I DEMAND DOWNLOAD NAO.

[Snow]

Oh you better not be lying! Now ups!

[Shinji-san]

Yeah, it aired. I've seen some crappy quality videos of it, but its there. Zuko sounds like a blundering idiot while he is trying to reason with the others, but it is official. Just going to have to wait until someone sends a better link. I'll link something if I find a better link.

[Sunuvmann]

Well, if you break it down like that, what air is really composed of is Nitrogen Oxide (NO I think, not sure though), at least that is the stuff that surrounds us. Maybe he can only bend it in this form, lol.

Anyway, I don't really see a second state being attached to Airbending. As someone else mentioned, creating a vaccum is about all else it can do. Since it pushes and pulls air around, why not just pull all the air out of one area.

Not sure if this question was answered (been reading pages, forgot what was said on what), but Lightning is connected to fire in that both burn. When lightning strikes a tree, what does it do? Burn.

Iroh explained that Lightning was created when you split your Yin and Yang appart, creating unbalance and unstable energy. All you do then is aim and fire.
That was me :hehee

Actually I gave it some thought. Since airbending controls gasses, 'air', then perhaps he can create a sun bomb a la Ace from One Piece. (He did it with fire but no matter) If he can bend the air, then couldn't he take massive amounts of it and squish it together so that it creates a mini star?
what do you think is worse the hunterxhunter manga or Avatar with hiatuses?
Well since I don't watch HxH....
Wait ep 12 is out :pek?

hell yes :LOS
DIRECT DOWNLOAD FOR GREAT AND MASSIVE JUSTICE :mad
the one time Canada 1-up's us :pek Damn you, Roy :sag :sag
Fuckers were getting Heroes a day early some days last season and were getting it a couple hours early this season.

But if that is so, that truly takes the cake in the FUCK YOU CANADA!
What the fudge? I DEMAND DOWNLOAD NAO.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! :yell

[Roy Mustang]

lol i win :LOS

anyways, summary:
So the ep starts with Aang's gang ariving at the temple, and then bitching about not finding a fire bender teacher. Then Zuko is shown practicing asking to join Aang and become his techer. Then he somehow finds them and gets totally rejected. Then later on Toph tries to find him but he accidently burns her feet out of fear of it being someone else. Then the cyclopes-fire bender guy apears and almost kill all of them, but then Zuko kills him with Sakka's boomerang's assistance. Later Aang accepts him and then at the end Katara is shown giving Zuko a "i dont believe you" or "fuck you" speech.

[Shinji-san]

http://www.freaknkewl.com/269

Here is a clip of the episode.

Peter: Wait, are starts just composed of high pressure Oxygen, Nitrogen, and Hydrogen? I though there was a lot of stuff that was required to make a star that didn't just float around in the air we breath.

[Roy Mustang]

http://www.freaknkewl.com/269

Here is a clip of the episode.

Peter: Wait, are starts just composed of high pressure Oxygen, Nitrogen, and Hydrogen? I though there was a lot of stuff that was required to make a star that didn't just float around in the air we breath.

i fucking cried when i saw it at first :(

[Shinji-san]

Yeah, but I must say their reasons of worry was very well justified. Being constantly hunted down, having an assassin sent after them, and betraying them at Ba Sing Se would leave a pretty bad impression on them. GRAAAHHH I want more episode!

[Roy Mustang]

Canada is open u know :zaru

[Emery]

It's too cold in Canadia.


HURRY UP TORRENT AND/OR DDL

[Roy Mustang]

Pfft, when youre surronded by canadian beer and cold women it suddenly gets much hotter here :pek

[Shinji-san]

Upload... UPLOAD!

Dah, knowing it was released is distracting me from my paper that I haven't started and is due in 2 hours.

[Kilowog]

Yeah, it aired. I've seen some crappy quality videos of it, but its there. Zuko sounds like a blundering idiot while he is trying to reason with the others, but it is official. Just going to have to wait until someone sends a better link. I'll link something if I find a better link.

where are these videos?

[Roy Mustang]

:lmao i dont think there more then 5% canadian anime uploaders in the world, tought luck

[Sylar]

LOL

'I can't believe I told them I sent an assasin after them!!! Why didn't I say Azula did that?! They would've believed that!'

:lmao

[Sunuvmann]

http://www.freaknkewl.com/269

Here is a clip of the episode.

Peter: Wait, are starts just composed of high pressure Oxygen, Nitrogen, and Hydrogen? I though there was a lot of stuff that was required to make a star that didn't just float around in the air we breath.
Stars are the self perpetuating fusion of Hydrogen to Helium and so on. (Stars go well until they get an iron core and then they become super and eventually die). So if Aang was to take a massive amount of air and compress it into a ball, and through air bending maintain the pressure (maybe a little fire bending to start the fusion), it would be able to sustain itself. Though it would need to be consistantly held together as it wouldn't have gravity to do that.

It would have to be delivered a la rasengan for a soon as the air bending control is released, the heat would make it expand on the order of a nuclear explosion.

@Clip: Looks awesome. But bloody wimenz. I didn't need your commentary :pek

[Shinji-san]

http://www.freaknkewl.com/269

Just a short clip here with Zuko and the gang. Still gotta wait till Canada uploads it in a few hours... hopefully.

[Emery]

Pfft, when youre surronded by canadian beer and cold women it suddenly gets much hotter here :pek

...What are you getting at? :pek


I'm growing excessively impatient.

[Roy Mustang]

...What are you getting at? :pek


I'm growing excessively impatient.

just marketing stratedgies taught to candians in school, so more ppl will more here :zaru

[Acidblood7]

For every minute the new episode isn't uploaded. I will shoot a kitten.

[Shinji-san]

A bit extreme there Acid. Why not just shake some dice, then God will do it for you.

Peter: Ah, haha. I wasn't thinking about Aang using the other elements. Yeah, I see what you are getting at.

The one thing that I find a little odd. Since lava, or magma, is really just molten rock, should Earthbenders be able to bend it? Also, if anyone remembers, when the Volcano that Roku lived on erupted, Sozin use the same movements that absorbs and redirects lightning to transfer the heat out of the magma into the sky. Does that suggest that Firebenders can also control the heat in things?

[darkviper]

For every minute the new episode isn't uploaded. I will shoot a kitten.

was good, :D

[Roy Mustang]

Lol well im going to sleep now :zaru

good luck wit your waiting, americans!

[Sylar]

I will wait forever 30 minutes for the new ep!! :yell

[Emery]

Lol well im going to sleep now :zaru

good luck wit your waiting, americans!

You smug, hockey-loving bastard. :pek

[Roy Mustang]

personaly, i hate hockey, curling soccer is my sport(lol russian living in canada) :zaru

[Shinji-san]

Episode is supposedly going up soon on avatarchapter.com

[Acidblood7]

avatarchapters and watch-avatar is run by a bunch of moronic shitheads.

[Superstarseven]

avatarchapters and watch-avatar is run by a bunch of moronic shitheads.

I really don't like the fact that the admin of Watch-Avatar outright lied and said that The Western Air Temple was going to be up around November 28th. And just as I predicted, the date rolled around and he changed his tune saying that it would be up as soon as possible.
Why lie?
The site wasn't popular enough?
Judging by the amount of people that the chat recorded, there were an average of 200 people there every hour of every day. That's fine traffic especially if it dips down to only 50 at 4am.
As of this writing Avatarchapters has about 1500 people checking out the site right now. No need to lie about episodes that you don't have yet.

[Triggerhappy69]

:rofl

Never knew Zuko could make me laugh so fuckin hard. Hurry up DDL, I await you presence with great anticipation.

[Sunuvmann]

The one thing that I find a little odd. Since lava, or magma, is really just molten rock, should Earthbenders be able to bend it? Also, if anyone remembers, when the Volcano that Roku lived on erupted, Sozin use the same movements that absorbs and redirects lightning to transfer the heat out of the magma into the sky. Does that suggest that Firebenders can also control the heat in things?
That I doubt. They can manipulate and bend the heat and thus redirect it. It isn't anything like the turning water to ice that water benders do. Water benders create and break the bonds in water to make it switch the states.

This in a way ties into my theory of the elements not so much being elements but states of matter.

Earth = Solid
Water = Liquid
Air = Gas
Fire = Plasma

All of the bending is pretty much telekinesis (how all can have their elements floating) but more then that, its how it is used.

Earth bending, one can compress and cleave solids. All rocks are to an extent a compression of minerals. Earth benders when they stomp their foot and a rock comes out are creating cleavage and pushing it.

Water bending is focused on manipulating the fluid dynamic of water and manipulating the hydrogen bonds (hence how they are able to make it stronger for whips, change to ice and mist, etc.)

Air bending is likewise a fluid dynamic but the fluid is gas and it is concerned most with speed and pressure (how he can fly, air ball, send people flying, etc)

Fire bending however is plasma. Much of it is unlike the others bending the environment but using your own power. With emotions you send out raw plasma which creates oxidation reactions in the air. Calm allows focus and as such the lightening. And with the bending comes manipulation of plasma (fire tricks + candles and fire which isn't yours) as well as manipulation of the energy within the matter which is how he was able to redirect the heat.

They has dl btw. Downloading and will watch when done.
http://www.avatarchapter.com/download/56.html

[Triggerhappy69]

They has dl btw. Downloading and will watch when done.
http://www.avatarchapter.com/download/56.html

Ah goddamnit, I can't watch it in that format. Ah well, hopefully it'll be a format I can watch when I wake up today.

EDIT-

Oh, turns out I can watch it. But wtf, all I got was chapter 11 :notrust

[Gamble]

Ah goddamnit, I can't watch it in that format. Ah well, hopefully it'll be a format I can watch when I wake up today.

EDIT-

Oh, turns out I can watch it. But wtf, all I got was chapter 11 :notrust

Yer that site's a load of bullshit :hehee

[Emery]

It's STILL not up?!


*throws a hissy fit*

:LOS :del :pek :zaru

[Sunuvmann]

Ah goddamnit, I can't watch it in that format. Ah well, hopefully it'll be a format I can watch when I wake up today.

EDIT-

Oh, turns out I can watch it. But wtf, all I got was chapter 11 :notrust
:D: Yeah. Sorry guys. Fucking tarped me :(

[Gamble]

:D: Yeah. Sorry guys. Fucking tarped me :(

I think everyone's fallen for that pos site at least once, don't worry 'bout it :zaru

[Sylar]

:D: Yeah. Sorry guys. Fucking tarped me :(

Peter f#cks up again. :notrust

CAN'T YOU DO ANYTHING RIGHT?!?! :yell

:zaru

[Gentleman]

When is the episode actually supposed to air?

[Vasp]

It was a great episode. Hurray for Canadian broadcasting!

That translates to: ChickenNoddleSoupXD, it already aired in Canada ;)

[Emery]

You Canadian bastards are starting to piss me off. :pek

[Vasp]

I would have personally tried to upload it onto the web, but I lacked 2 major things.

1) The knowledge that the episode was new (it threw me off completely actually, I wasn't expecting it until the new year).

2) The technology to actually put it on my computer, lol.

It's definitely a goodie though.

Also, sidenote for Emery. I can't get Phase3's site. Everytime I enter in the URL, or click on your sig, I just get a blank screen, is the site down or am I banned or something? :x

[Shinji-san]

*rolls around and cries*

[Kilowog]

You Canadian bastards are starting to piss me off. :pek

indeed, first you bastards get higher currency than us, then you get Heroes 2 hours early and now this, this WILL not stand. :vegetant

[Emery]

I would have personally tried to upload it onto the web, but I lacked 2 major things.

1) The knowledge that the episode was new (it threw me off completely actually, I wasn't expecting it until the new year).

2) The technology to actually put it on my computer, lol.

It's definitely a goodie though.

Also, sidenote for Emery. I can't get Phase3's site. Everytime I enter in the URL, or click on your sig, I just get a blank screen, is the site down or am I banned or something? :x

http://phase3.vnmanga.com

[Vasp]

Aha! I forgot you guys changed hosts. I totally forgot to get the new URL too. Thanks a bunch for the new link!

[Gamble]

Time to push the border up a few yards on Canada.

[Kilowog]

Time to push the border up a few yards on Canada.

fixed, you were sounding like a Canadian for a sec there.

[Gamble]

fixed, you were sounding like a Canadian for a sec there.

:lmao

thanks for the catch :pek *edits*

[Emery]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D694YSZ3


I haven't finished downloading the file yet, so I'm not sure on its validity, but the people in the little chatroom on watch-avatar.com have been posting it.

Edit:// Just watched it. Works fine.

Fantastic episode. :)

[Stallyns808]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D694YSZ3


I haven't finished downloading the file yet, so I'm not sure on its validity, but the people in the little chatroom on watch-avatar.com have been posting it.

Edit:// Just watched it. Works fine.

Fantastic episode. :)

Sweetness thanks for the link dude.

Just saw it and Katara was a fucking bitch! :evil That fight against Combustion Man ended pretty lamely.

[Altron]

Sweetness thanks for the link dude.

Just saw it and Katara was a fucking bitch! :evil That fight against Combustion Man ended pretty lamely.

yeah...agreed Katara was a total bitch to Zuko. Though with her bloodbending she can back up her words now.

[Emery]

^ Can't she only do that when the full moon is out?

[Stallyns808]

yeah...agreed Katara was a total bitch to Zuko. Though with her bloodbending she can back up her words now.

It pisses me off a lot that in terms of power, everyone keeps getting powerups while Zuko just get's a small upgrade each season. It's lame as hell! He better be fucking WIN when he finally learns to bend lightning or imma call shenanigans! You here me! SHENANIGANS! :yell

[Shinji-san]

Sweetness, thanks man. C:

[Gamble]

It pisses me off a lot that in terms of power, everyone keeps getting powerups while Zuko just get's a small upgrade each season. It's lame as hell! He better be fucking WIN when he finally learns to bend lightning or imma call shenanigans! You here me! SHENANIGANS! :yell

Yeah I noticed that. He basically got manhandled by Combustion Man. I understand there must be a notably large difference in power between the two, but at the very least he shoulda been able to hold him off without getting knocked off a cliff in 10 seconds by a half-distracted dude.

Episode in itself was awesome. Katara's death threat was played out pretty well too, I liked it. It's going to be awkward seeing Zuko and Aang(and company) traveling together, but it leaves a nice opening for character development here.

[Graham Aker]

while Zuko just get's a small upgrade each season.
If you havent noticed, he has a lot of issues which impeded his abilities.

[Stallyns808]

If you havent noticed, he has a lot of issues which impeded his abilities.

It's still lame. Everyone gets their powerups spoonfed to them practically given to them on a silver platter, while Zuko is the only one who has to go through way too much shit before he gets his. Everybody gets there powerups in just one episode, it takes an entire freakin' season before Zuko gets one.

[Gamble]

It's still lame. Everyone gets their powerups spoonfed to them practically given to them on a silver platter, while Zuko is the only one who has to go through way too much shit before he gets his.

I'm sure Aang+co. just have a lot of off screen training, I wouldn't necessarily call it spoonfed (however they do seem pretty fukken strong for 14-15 year olds) but yeah Zuko has been portrayed pretty weakly. This episode for example, they decide to make Sokka's freaking boomerang take down the assassin that's been chasing them all season? Much more badass could have been added to this episode by having Zuko defend them+defeat/fend off Combustion Man.

[Stallyns808]

I'm sure Aang+co. just have a lot of off screen training, I wouldn't necessarily call it spoonfed (however they do seem pretty fukken strong for 14-15 year olds) but yeah Zuko has been portrayed pretty weakly. This episode for example, they decide to make Sokka's freaking boomerang take down the assassin that's been chasing them all season? Much more badass could have been added to this episode by having Zuko defend them+defeat/fend off Combustion Man.
Best to put Spoiler tags around what you wrote dude.
I agree, Zuko taking down Combustion Man would have been way better. Combustion Man being defeated by a boomerang is one hell of a copout.

[Gamble]

Best to put Spoiler tags around what you wrote dude.
I agree, Zuko taking down Combustion Man would have been way better. Combustion Man being defeated by a boomerang is one hell of a copout.

Yeah my post originally wasn't going to contain spoilers, but it evolved into that I guess :lmao I should begin proofreading these posts :LOS

[Acidblood7]

Whats wrong with Sokka taking down a badass once in a while. It makes a perfect reason for Sokka to take down the assassin, since his weakness is the eye on his forehead.

[Gamble]

Whats wrong with Sokka taking down a badass once in a while. It makes a perfect reason for Sokka to take down the assassin, since his weakness is the eye on his forehead.

It showed Sokka being able to use tactical moves (even if it was very cliche) and so that did help prove useful to Sokka. However, Combustion Man was aiming for Aang, the rest of them meant really nothing to him. So having an irrelevant character taking out this big bad dude felt kind of weak. Should have been Aang considering that was the assassin's target, or Zuko to help build trust with Aang+co. Sokka really had nothing to do with it.

[Acidblood7]

It showed Sokka being able to use tactical moves (even if it was very cliche) and so that did help prove useful to Sokka. However, Combustion Man was aiming for Aang, the rest of them meant really nothing to him. So having an irrelevant character taking out this big bad dude felt kind of weak. Should have been Aang considering that was the assassin's target, or Zuko to help build trust with Aang+co. Sokka really had nothing to do with it.

Well its a matter of opinion. Love how everyoneenjoys calling himcombustion man lol :nod