One Piece is still pretty rubbish

[Bubbles]

I got a slating from some of you for saying that I thought One Piece was dreadful (the thread has now been closed). So I must explain myself, I admit I was not that clear in my explanation before.

First of all i'm posting in the One Piece section, I genuinely did not know one exsisted. I can be extreamly un-observant though. Secondly, I clearly stated in my first sentance (in the other post) that the anime was on Toonami, which obviously meant it was the American dub! Most of you agreed with me that you too thought it was dreadful and possibly the worst anime ever. Thirdly, it was not my intention to upset any One Piece fans, it's just not my cup of tea.

Some of you told me to read the manga. Well I have read the first two books published by Shonen Jump but I still thought the story was pretty rubbish, so I didn't read further. I liked the bit with Shanks right at the beginning but that was it. Pirates who demand to be called beautiful with love hearts all over the place. Navy captains with Iron Jaws who are killed off in one chapter. A pirate who is a clown with a circus tent on his ship. Sorry but NO this does nothing for me. I like the more traditional pirate, which is probably why I liked Shanks he and his crew were real pirates.

Positives though, Luffy is a great lead character, probably more so than Naruto in well Naruto. The main characters in general are good and pretty cool, you know they can kick ass in their own way. I just think that the story is really weak and contains to many background characters that you just don't care about.

Sorry but i'm just not a fan (at the moment anyway) unless you can convince me otherwise?

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[MasamuneX7]

Get past Clown Buggy, get past Captain Kuro, get past Don Krieg. It doesn't truly get interesting until the Arlong arc or until they get to the Grand Line. From then on all the way through the Alabasta and Skypiea arcs it gets more and more interesting.

I understand where you are right now, it's boring. I thought the same thing before, but stick with it. If you're at Alabasta and you STILL think it's boring, then forget about it.

[Shishou]

Because all those chars/villian are minor. They aren't shown for long, and don't have a long arc aboot them. They serve little story purpose.

[Masaki]

Yes, the dub does suck, and the beginning isn't exactly the most interesting thing. However, the story continues with many serious plots, wacky characters (Bon Clay seriously crosses the border of "wacky", though), suspense, comedy, drama (for the people who say that the series is mostly comedy, then if you were to see the Water 7 arc... well, it hardly has any unseriousness in it). There's also the fact that there's a number of creative devices put into the series, such as


A giant whale that can understand humans (cut from dub), a series of islands in the sky, a number of Devil's Fruit powers that border creativity and insanity (Door Door Fruit, pronounced Do-or, two syllables, ability to turn any wall into a psuedo-door.), and a pirate game that has crew members as the wager.



Plus, the main character doesn't have much going on in his head, but he's always is able to think with his heart and instincts. Everything he says late in most arcs is just amazing.

[Tsuuga]

He read up to the Buggy Arc and is calling quits? That's like, less than half the crew on board... without a ship.

[AssFace]

I recomend you skip evyerthing until the part where mihawk shows up. In the middle of don krieg. I gave up too for a while. The beggining until middle of don krieg arc was trash.


This is a spoiler about when it gets good.
When Mihawk shows up it gets good. That's when they start going more indepth about the grandline. This guy shows up and shows the straw hat crew what the grandline is about. He freaking whips zoro's ass in a split second arguably the 2nd or 1st strongest character in the crew. Then you'll meet Arlong who used to be from the grandline and shows how much he fears mihawk, who is practically the only link to the real grandline.

[Spidey]

^I agree. I use to think I just couldn't watch it, it just looked too.. i dunno, something I would never watch. But I gave it a chance after hearing every say how great it was, and then I fell in love with the characters. Now it's like my thrid favorite anime (behind naruto and cowboy bebop). So, yeh, I guess just try to stick it out a little longer till it gets to the really good stuff.

[Masaki]

No, no skipping. It ruins a bunch of character development.

[Bubbles]

So your all saying that yes the american dub is bad and so is the beginning of the manga, well that isn't much help! I'm not going to buy a manga that i'm just not sure about i'm already collecting three other mangas and these things cost money! God only knows when the series are going to end? Maybe i'll try to catch some of the original Jp anime with subtitles.

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[pek]

You could always download the manga and try it out, if you like it buy it, if you dont trash it.

[Bubbles]

You could always download the manga and try it out, if you like it buy it, if you dont trash it.

Hmmm, good point.

P.S. I'm loving Spike Spiegel he's so smooth!

[Tenrow]

okay listen to me very carefully read up to shanks and stop.

Ok screw buggy screw kuro, screw kreig, screw arlong, skipp ahead whn they reach the grand line past the whale part *jsk i thought that was a load of bulls*** and read whisky peaks, little garden, drum island, and read the entire alabasta arc cause thats when it gets really interesting. Read all they way to sky island. Dont read the south bird crap *i also that that was a load of bulls*** and from there read the rest except for the davy back fight, unless you really want to read something that retarded.

and youll get to the CP9 arc, read that and ull pretty much be caught up.

oh and jsk the very very very very very first parts of one piece were crap and i think most people will agree with me when i say the introduction parts (which is from alvida to arlong) was a load of bulls***. The only thing that was interesting about the arlong arc were when bele mere was shot and when nami stabbed herself over and over again and when ussop accually managed to kick someones ass :p

[SeruraRenge]

okay listen to me very carefully read up to shanks and stop.

Ok screw buggy screw kuro, screw kreig, screw arlong, skipp ahead whn they reach the grand line past the whale part *jsk i thought that was a load of bulls*** and read whisky peaks, little garden, drum island, and read the entire alabasta arc cause thats when it gets really interesting. Read all they way to sky island. Dont read the south bird crap *i also that that was a load of bulls*** and from there read the rest except for the davy back fight, unless you really want to read something that retarded.

and youll get to the CP9 arc, read that and ull pretty much be caught up.

oh and jsk the very very very very very first parts of one piece were crap and i think most people will agree with me when i say the introduction parts (which is from alvida to arlong) was a load of bulls***. The only thing that was interesting about the arlong arc were when bele mere was shot and when nami stabbed herself over and over again and when ussop accually managed to kick someones ass :p
You didn't have to bleep out the word shit. We're allowed to say what we want, as long as it ain't racist.

[Amatsu]

I admit the first few arc's until Arlong are boring mainly because they're solely there to introduce the main characters of Zoro, Usopp, and Sanji. Nami's introduction is more apparent during the Arlong arc anyways... So because the arc's center more on introducing the characters and showing us some things about them of course the villians are going to be dull. Heck even I admit that Krieg was the worst villian in the series, Kuro wasn't exactly all that interesting, and Buggy's first appearance wasn't all that great... Buggy doesn't really shine till LougeTown

In any case it really picks up at the arlong arc and it keeps getting better and better. I was hooked by the Kuro arc myself but at least read up till they enter the grand line before thinking of continuing.

Also don't watch the dub it's crap. The dub is completely different from the original what with all the freakin' changes 4kids made to it. It's better if you start off on subs or at least manga scans. Or even the Viz manga.

[Hitomi_No_Ryu]

If you didn't meet Crocodile yet then you haven't watched far enough into the anime.

And when we say anime, we mean the original!!! Not the dub since the dub is just one piece...OF SHIT!

[Friend]

Why do you guys say wait until "Arlong and then it gets good"? I liked all the stuff before that and after Arlong to Skypeia which is where I am. It's so weird to me...

Honestly bubblishous, why do you need convincing anyway? If you don't like it don't watch it. You don't have to be a One Piece fan.

(I just hate these "Omg I don't get it, convince me to keep on going" things.)

[Amatsu]

Why do you guys say wait until "Arlong and then it gets good"? I liked all the stuff before that and after Arlong to Skypeia which is where I am. It's so weird to me...

Honestly bubblishous, why do you need convincing anyway? If you don't like it don't watch it. You don't have to be a One Piece fan.

(I just hate these "Omg I don't get it, convince me to keep on going" things.)

Well you have to admit that up until Arlong the arc's weren't all that great. I mean Kuro wasn't exactly a great villian and I had never any reason to think Krieg was a good villian... and well Buggy and Alvida didn't even become remotely cool until they started chasing after Luffy since Louge Town so you can't really blame people for saying it get's good at Arlong. Mainly because Arlong was the first villian you just loved to hate. The first villian where you just couldn't wait to see Luffy kick his ass.

Although for me I only felt that way when Luffy faced Bellamy because let's face it Bellamy was a damn tard who deserved what he got.

:laugh Well don't worry about if he doesn't get it... Heck if you're in the evangelion fandom you see a ton of people like that who hate Evangelion because they don't get it. Those people just don't know good anime that's all. So really if they don't see the greatness of one piece then they just have bad taste.

[Shishou]

I liked Kuro and Don Krieg...

[Scared Link]

Well, how the people are drawn are mankey. The style One Piece art is, that's my doodle style.

[Shishou]

Fuck anyone who doesn't like One Peice cause of it's art.

Only dumb fucks give a shit aboot graphics. Story and chars is what matters, PERIOD.

[TenshiOni]

Never judge a book by it's cover. (Yeah, I know it's lame...but it's true)

If you actually read One Piece in it's entirely, it is impossible to deny that the epic story and passion isn't there. Oda's a storytelling god.

And hell, most (me included) tend to grow to love the original and whacky art.

[Zouri]

One Piece is quite awesome. Though I don't know why people don't like the beginning arcs. Buggy and Kuro were awesome, IMO. Don Krieg could have taken a long walk off of a short pier, but the rest of his arc was awesome.

I think that One Piece is something that you have to get used to. It's not just a pick up and read manga. If you try that, you'll probably end up hating the art and thinking that the story is childish. So read up to the end of Arlong and you'll get a better idea of what is in store. Trust me, once you get to Alabasta things get crazy and fun.

[Friend]

Aethos~ The Bellamy Fight was awesome, and he was a bitch. He made me so angry!

Prince Of Persia~ The art isn't "standard" anime art, but it is good and charming. It through me off at first because i've been seeing a lot of the same thing in anime but I like it a lot. Some Naruto character design maybe a bit better but the story in One Piece is more enjoyable.

And your drawing style is not as endearing :P

[Amatsu]

Yeah Bellamy was the only villian I really hated... I never really hated any other villian all that much...

Although I still think Krieg had to be the worst freakin' villian ever. It's like he was just there to show Sanji's reasons for not leaving Baratie.

[Tenrow]

Bellamy was just retarded. I didn't really like him either. Kreig was just cheap, I hate him the most. I mean he is just one of those people who just gets on your nerves >.<

[Megaharrison]

I agree...I saw 126 episodes and 200 chapters of this series...It was a struggle every step of the way.

I hoped going into it that the childish feeland poor artstyle.(yes, poor...Oda's style is different from the rest of the other Shonen Series, low quality) could be overcome by good plot, action, and characters. I was quite wrong.

This simply can't compete with Bleach, Naruto, or Deathnote.

[Tsuuga]

I cheered out loud when Bellamy got owned.

[hakke]

I still hear "skip the beginning" and "just read from ZXX and up"... the "dont judge a book by its cover" phrase doesnt apply here... most are judging it by its cover... and the 1st 200+ pages! Which contradicts the "good storytelling" argument. Good storytelling would have your attention from the very start or at least after the main premise is revealed...

[Tsuuga]

I agree...I saw 126 episodes and 200 chapters of this series...It was a struggle every step of the way.

I hoped going into it that the childish feeland poor artstyle.(yes, poor...Oda's style is different from the rest of the other Shonen Series, low quality) could be overcome by good plot, action, and characters. I was quite wrong.

This simply can't compete with Bleach, Naruto, or Deathnote.

Wow... you couldn't even get to 129?

I'm sorry you couldn't appreciate the series, but to each his own, blah blah.

[Tsuuga]

I still hear "skip the beginning" and "just read from ZXX and up"... the "dont judge a book by its cover" phrase doesnt apply here... most are judging it by its cover... and the 1st 200+ pages! Which contradicts the "good storytelling" argument. Good storytelling would have your attention from the very start or at least after the main premise is revealed...

Just shut up and watch the goddamn series already.

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of you saying the same things over and over.

And... "most judge it by its cover"? If you're using its popularity as an argument, why not see what animes have the highest ratings in Japan?

[pakku]

The impression I get is that you're put off by the very short "beat the sorta evil, weak villain" storylines that compose the first few volumes. Rest assured, it does change- there's a fair number of villains that are a genuinely cool/badass bunch of assholes, as it should be. However, while I'm sure you would enjoy some of those parts, the fact that OP tends to not take itself seriously may deter you from becoming a big fan of it. For most of the hardcore One Piece fans I know, that aspect is what makes them hold it in higher regard than the other currently running shounen mangas. It's a love or hate thing.

Of course, I'm basing this mostly from this one post of yours. The type I described isn't too uncommon though, so maybe I'm on point.

Good storytelling would have your attention from the very start or at least after the main premise is revealed...

Oda has been doing One Piece since 97... I think it's quite believible that his writing may have evolved since then. Many believe Naruto has been going downhill for the last two years or so... isn't the opposite just as possible?

[9TalesOfDestruction]

I've only seen the dub

and i hate it...

seems like a show only 12 year olds could get into....

[Baby Raptor]

I've only seen the dub

and i hate it...

seems like a show only 12 year olds could get into....


you are right about dub it is suck but uncut one piece is best of anime i ever seen !! try it out at K-F sub or Gerusama Sub but Gerusama is highly spoil anime because Gerusama start at 200+ something but K-F have 1-lastest released by K-F

[Amatsu]

I agree...I saw 126 episodes and 200 chapters of this series...It was a struggle every step of the way.

I hoped going into it that the childish feeland poor artstyle.(yes, poor...Oda's style is different from the rest of the other Shonen Series, low quality) could be overcome by good plot, action, and characters. I was quite wrong.

This simply can't compete with Bleach, Naruto, or Deathnote.

Oh yeah because One Piece is just SO childish that it can't be mature at some points like Naruto (which has really gone downhill) or Bleach (which feels like a hollow shell of a series these days.)

Plus I wouldn't call Oda's art style low quality. It's a style all it's own and it's really good. Oda meant for his art to look cartoony in a sense because it's one of the things that inspired him when making One Piece. Just because a series isn't all dark and crap doesn't mean it's a bad series

But well I guess some people just don't see that... ::shrugs::

After all what series really get's you into the characters enough where you can love them or hate them? Bleach BARELY even tries to get into their characters as it's more about fighting than anything. Bleach in general lacks a lot when it comes to storytelling but the action is what keeps people interested... as for Naruto... well most would say that the story is good but it's not as good as it could be. Naruto just doesn't seem to have the magic it used too when the series first started... it kinda just died around the end of Kakashi Gaiden.

But One Piece has some really good storytelling to it and if you look at it with just the characters and plot and take your opinion of the art out of it then it's a very fun and enjoyable series. Sure the first few villians are lame but they pave the way for better one's in future arc's.

Oh and I'd rather have a badass villian like Crocodile than some Michael Jackson reject ie Orochimaru.

[AceShidoLuffy]

Hell, I think it gets interesting at the Kuro Arc. When I think of it, it does get interesting at Grand LIne. But then, suddenly, they go up to skypiea where none of it is connected to the ONE PIECE quest. And skypiea is preety long...That's why it disappointed me a bit. But I do admit Ener's the best villan yet. I mean...I think Skypiea was longer than Arabasta, yet all that defeating Eneru didnt increase Luffy's fame. And what's more...All those episodes were in just 2 days in One piece time.

[pakku]

But then, suddenly, they go up to skypiea where none of it is connected to the ONE PIECE quest.

To be fair, little to none of what the crew ever does has any real connection with finding the One Piece. Did defeating Arlong get them aywhere closer to it? Nope. Did stopping the rebellion in Arabasta? Not as far as I can see. The Davy Back Fight? Hell no.

[Bubbles]

Wow everyone is really having their say, which i'm happy about. I started this thread and I tried to read some more of the manga by downloading some. My oppinion of it has gone up slightly, i've just met Don Krieg, it still isn't my favourite manga out there though. The illustration is very good but i'm still not grabbed by the story yet, sorry guys.

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[Megaharrison]

Oh and I'd rather have a badass villian like Crocodile than some Michael Jackson reject ie Orochimaru.

Crocodile was pretty upsetting...I mean he was the 2nd best villian I've seen in the series but he was still so so when compared to other Shonen series....

He had little if any depth and lacked the sort of "insane yet brilliant" which other characters like Aizen, Orochimaru, or Sasori had. I guess people don't always like insanity though...

As for the other villians, they make me want to shoot myself. One of Oda's greatest flaws is destroying a decent character with a hidious apperance. I can accept Buggy, he wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Kuro was actually enjoyable...My favorite character in the series. Shame Oda didn't know what to do with him. Don Krieg was just boring, and Arlong would of been ok if he didn't look like shamu on a vacation.

I mean Oda is a respected artist...He can draw better then this. Art design is among the most important (the most important being plot) aspects of manga. The art design of One Piece is very mediocre at best.

As for plot, he can draw up some semi-complicated story arcs...But I don't like how the entire story changes each arc. The pirate king and Gold rogers treasure are not influencing the plot at all really. Oda needs to try introducing more then the same 6 basic characters into each arc.

Lastly, I think some people take this series and turn it into something it isn't. I think it's meant to have a "fun wacky adventure time!" theme to it. Oda himself says he doesn't put death in because it's too depressing and that his favorite villian was Buggy (a joke character). Many people seem to make it out to be some beautiful and mature story...Now Naruto is far from mature as well. But I would say it is certainly more so then One Piece.

[Amatsu]

Crocodile was pretty upsetting...I mean he was the 2nd best villian I've seen in the series but he was still so so when compared to other Shonen series....

Probably because he wasn't so full of angst like most other shounen villians...

Anyways CP9 and Eneru are pretty damn good villians too and well the Davy Back Fight was just fun. It wasn't really a serious arc.

He had little if any depth and lacked the sort of "insane yet brilliant" which other characters like Aizen, Orochimaru, or Sasori had. I guess people don't always like insanity though...

Tch Aizen is boring... he's just the cliche "I'm gonna destroy the world" RPG-esque villian. He seriously has no depth to him. Heck most of the villians didn't really have any depth... Kenpachi just liked fighting, Renji was just there for the sake of a rematch and to find redemption, and Byakuya because he's an ass.

Orochimaru isn't really all that wonderful a villian either. Heck Akatsuki seems to fit as better villian material. Orochimaru in general is just as bad as Naraku from InuYasha.

As for Sasori... well it's not like we really got indepth WITH Sasori so he seemed flat to me. Heck we didn't even get some back story or anything just a few panel's with no words...

As for the other villians, they make me want to shoot myself. One of Oda's greatest flaws is destroying a decent character with a hidious apperance. I can accept Buggy, he wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Kuro was actually enjoyable...My favorite character in the series. Shame Oda didn't know what to do with him. Don Krieg was just boring, and Arlong would of been ok if he didn't look like shamu on a vacation.

Well Buggy's first appearance wasn't all that great anyways. It wasn't till Louge Town as well as the Little Buggy's Big Adventure side story where you really couldn't help but love the guy. He may be a villian but he's an enjoyable one.

Yeah I agree with Kuro though... he was on the right track as a good villian but it was just poorly executed... Still you have to remember that the first few arc's were just to introduce the main characters and give them reasons to join Luffy. Heck Kuro may have not been much of a villian but he got Usopp to join the straw hat crew and actually leave his village.

As for Don Krieg... even I admit he was the most pathetic villian in the series but then again his whole purpose for even being there was just to get Sanji to join Luffy. After all if it weren't for Krieg; Sanji would never have left Baratie. Besides Mihawk was the high point of that arc.

As for Arlong you have to admit he was pretty damn sadistic what with his racist views on humans and the whole killing Bellemere thing... It's made a ton of people go from hating Nami to sympathising with her because heck she really did have it hard. The whole drama of what's going on in Cocoyashi village was the whole point of what makes the arc great.

I mean Oda is a respected artist...He can draw better then this. Art design is among the most important (the most important being plot) aspects of manga. The art design of One Piece is very mediocre at best.

Art is only important when the reader actually cares more about the art than anything else. Heck I was put off by the art. At first I didn't even like it but then I went into One Piece concentrating on the plot and the characters and after awhile I grew used to the art and found that I liked it.

Besides characters and plot are the two most important things to a series. Not how pretty the art is. Geez that's like those people who say that the only good Final Fantasy games are the one's with all the pretty cut scenes and graphic's... even though the old school NES and SNES Final Fantasy games are VERY good.

As for plot, he can draw up some semi-complicated story arcs...But I don't like how the entire story changes each arc. The pirate king and Gold rogers treasure are not influencing the plot at all really. Oda needs to try introducing more then the same 6 basic characters into each arc.

There's a whole LOT going on. Government Conspiracies, the whole meeting between Whitebeard and Shanks, The whole Men of D thing, etc. Heck most of the wonder of One Piece is the adventure itself. We all know that Luffy's going to find One Piece in the end but not every villian has to be a "Bwa ha ha I'll find One Piece and become the pirate king and rule everyone with an iron fist" type villian. Heck that's what Don Krieg was and you said he was boring.

Lastly, I think some people take this series and turn it into something it isn't. I think it's meant to have a "fun wacky adventure time!" theme to it. Oda himself says he doesn't put death in because it's too depressing and that his favorite villian was Buggy (a joke character). Many people seem to make it out to be some beautiful and mature story...Now Naruto is far from mature as well. But I would say it is certainly more so then One Piece.

It's far from mature but it still has some pretty darn mature themes in it. Still it's all abotu being fun and wacky and just plain an adventure. Plus the storytelling is great.

Naruto's storytelling isn't really going much anywhere and it's just been going downhill. Same for Bleach.

After all who needs a ton of gushing blood and death and blah blah blah anyways? That's not what makes a series but hey if that's the sort of thing you like then why not just go watch Elfin Lied where they cut off people's limbs and crap... I'm sure you'll be ALL over that.

[pakku]

Apples > oranges

Fact.

[Valdens]

you guys sure have high standards. i find the dub enjoyable.

[Masaki]

you guys sure have high standards. i find the dub enjoyable.

Wrong thread. This goes in the Naruto Dub complaints thread.

And you sure have low standards.

And for people who say Don Krieg sucks as a villain, I have to say that his use of different ships for the element of surprise is good. That's why he wanted the Baratie; who would think there were pirates in the floating restaraunt (sp)?

[Amatsu]

Well even so he still sucked... I mean compared to any of the other villians he was totally lame... and bland so to speak... There wasn't really anything special about him at least there was some reason to be interested in Buggy and Kuro... Krieg is lamer than Morgan and Alvida when it comes to One Piece villians...

[Masaki]

Well even so he still sucked... I mean compared to any of the other villians he was totally lame... and bland so to speak... There wasn't really anything special about him at least there was some reason to be interested in Buggy and Kuro... Krieg is lamer than Morgan and Alvida when it comes to One Piece villians...

True, and he definitly doesn't stand out like Crocodile, Bon Clay, and Foxy.

[Bubbles]

Wrong thread. This goes in the Naruto Dub complaints thread.

And you sure have low standards.


This thread is not just about the dubbed anime it's also about the manga (Read first page). Just come and have your say, it's become quite interesteing.

I must agree with you though about the low standards because the dub is awful (again read first page).

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[AceShidoLuffy]

Kuro was on his way to a good villan. That goes for Buggy too.
They arent gone. They're gonna come back for sure. Along with Morgan. I think they all aim for revenge. I look forward to this

[Masaki]

This thread is not just about the dubbed anime it's also about the manga (Read first page). Just come and have your say, it's become quite interesteing.

I must agree with you though about the low standards because the dub is awful (again read first page).

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I meant that particular post.

Kuro was on his way to a good villan. That goes for Buggy too.
They arent gone. They're gonna come back for sure. Along with Morgan. I think they all aim for revenge. I look forward to this

Buggy will return, we already know that. I don't think Kuro has any plans for revenge, and I doubt Morgan will be able to get too far in the Grand Line, though I can't possibly see how he won't return after that mini-arc.

[Naruto Ann]

In a manga, art is VERY important because it's illustrated.

In the defense of whoever thinks One Piece is boring in the beginning, yeah, it is sort of boring if you don't like Luffy and that.. kid. And you -shouldn't- have to read through a boring manga to get to the good parts... shouldn't force it like an acquired taste. And skipping... no, I don't like skipping at all. Skipping through a manga to get to the good stuff because it's there just isn't right.

But I liked One Piece from the get-go. Luffy's just that cool (and Zoro was introduced ridiculously early considering how cool he is).

Besides. Buggy is still one of my favorite villains, period.

edit: Forgot to mention that the dubbed anime is probably the worst piece of trash to touch my TV set. Need I remind you how even the Japanese are making jokes on -our- adaptation of it?

[JayG]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. One Piece is the only anime in the face of this earth that can make you cry, not because you're sad, but because you're really happy.

If that isn't good storytelling, I don't know what is.

[Amatsu]

I could care less about the art to be honest... why like a series that looks good because of the art yet sucks because of bad storytelling?

I'd rather watch a series that has GREAT storytelling. Storytelling that actually draw's you into the series instead of an anime that just looks all pretty and crap.

If I wanted to watch an anime with all style and no substance I'd go and watch Cowboy Bebop...:notrust

[Broleta]

I didn't really like it until the Arlong/Nami arc, before then the only part that interested me was the Kuro/Usopp arc but now I am a huge fan of the anime, one of the best I have ever seen.

[Bubbles]

I could care less about the art to be honest... why like a series that looks good because of the art yet sucks because of bad storytelling?

I'd rather watch a series that has GREAT storytelling. Storytelling that actually draw's you into the series instead of an anime that just looks all pretty and crap.

If I wanted to watch an anime with all style and no substance I'd go and watch Cowboy Bebop...:notrust

I agree, that was my main point I suppose. I'm having doubts about One Piece because of the story line. It's the story that takes you on a journey not the illustration.

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[Amatsu]

Well how would you say the story is lacking right now then? I feel that things are getting even more interesting. Then again I enjoy the adventure aspect of One Piece and how we learn more about the world they live in from island to island. It's better then them just going some place and just fighting. There's more to One Piece than just the fighting and crap and seriously if you're looking for deep philosophical meanings from One Piece then you should just go watch Evangelion and well... if all you want is fighting then why are you bothering with One Piece? I mean that's like that guy who only watched Love Hina for nude scene's. Seriously if you go into One Piece just for the fighting then you're not getting the big picture of what One Piece is.

One Piece IS the adventure. Sure the treasure at the end is the main goal but the adventure is what makes the journey so great.

[Masaki]

And One Piece is the only adventure anime that I like for the adventure aspect. That says something.

So many strange devices, creatures, and islands are introduced. This includes Dials, Bulls, and Long Ring Long Run Island. Hard not to love it.

[crazymtf]

I got a slating from some of you for saying that I thought One Piece was dreadful (the thread has now been closed). So I must explain myself, I admit I was not that clear in my explanation before.

First of all i'm posting in the One Piece section, I genuinely did not know one exsisted. I can be extreamly un-observant though. Secondly, I clearly stated in my first sentance (in the other post) that the anime was on Toonami, which obviously meant it was the American dub! Most of you agreed with me that you too thought it was dreadful and possibly the worst anime ever. Thirdly, it was not my intention to upset any One Piece fans, it's just not my cup of tea.

Some of you told me to read the manga. Well I have read the first two books published by Shonen Jump but I still thought the story was pretty rubbish, so I didn't read further. I liked the bit with Shanks right at the beginning but that was it. Pirates who demand to be called beautiful with love hearts all over the place. Navy captains with Iron Jaws who are killed off in one chapter. A pirate who is a clown with a circus tent on his ship. Sorry but NO this does nothing for me. I like the more traditional pirate, which is probably why I liked Shanks he and his crew were real pirates.

Positives though, Luffy is a great lead character, probably more so than Naruto in well Naruto. The main characters in general are good and pretty cool, you know they can kick ass in their own way. I just think that the story is really weak and contains to many background characters that you just don't care about.

Sorry but i'm just not a fan (at the moment anyway) unless you can convince me otherwise?

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Why try to tell him otherwise if he has a pokemon in his sig...enough said you could leave buddy :)

[Lainchan]

I agree, that was my main point I suppose. I'm having doubts about One Piece because of the story line. It's the story that takes you on a journey not the illustration


XD
believe me if you keep with it you wont have any worries about the story line. One piece > everything else, as far as storytelling goes.

Honestly, listen to all these people giving it so much praise. Surely that shows its worth sticking too for a while just to see what all the hypes about.
I'm really glad I kept going with it(because I did nearly give up at one point near the begining) as its become one of my all time fav series which is saying alot considering Iv'e seen more than 60 different anime/manga *geek*XD

Just curiouse but have you reached the Nami/Arlog ark yet? Because if you passed that and still arn't enjoying it its probably not ever going to be to your taste

[crazymtf]

^If he's reading the english manga like me then no he is not past that part but in the middle of that part. This manga is great and i laugh my ass off. I finally got to see movie one last night and i swear if i laughed anymore i would of died. From begining to end the humor was fucking awsome and then the fight was good too. Anyone who has read even the first 4-5 vol. Can watch movie one and it's greatness! :)

[Bubbles]

Whoa, I wrote this thread quite a while ago now. Erm well, i've been reading more of the series and you will all be happy to know that I'm loving the story so much more now, the beggining was just a little slow to get going I suppose. I'd really like to get my hands on some of the anime (not dubbed) but it seems pretty expensive in the shops, anyone have any cheaper alternatives?

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[Toffeeman]

I actually thought that the early stages of the series was very good. I really enjoyed the Kuro and Don Kreig arcs personally.

My favourite arc so far definately has to be the Drum Kingdom arc. You'll fall in love with Chopper's character.

[Masaki]

Whoa, I wrote this thread quite a while ago now. Erm well, i've been reading more of the series and you will all be happy to know that I'm loving the story so much more now, the beggining was just a little slow to get going I suppose. I'd really like to get my hands on some of the anime (not dubbed) but it seems pretty expensive in the shops, anyone have any cheaper alternatives?

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You download it at http://kaizoku-fansubs.com, sir. And glad to hear you no longer are calling this wonderful series "rubbish".

[crazymtf]

Good you see how great it is! :) You should defently get the movies as quick as you could, i swear you will laugh your ass off! :)

[Bubbles]

You download it at http://kaizoku-fansubs.com, sir. And glad to hear you no longer are calling this wonderful series "rubbish".

Excellent, thanks. Btw i'm female, you can probably tell with all the pink in my sig and avy.

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[Vaizard]

I can't believe people are saying to skip Captain Kuro and Don Krieg. Captain Kuro is one of the most evil characters in the series and I love the Don Krieg fight. I think you should give it some more time and read/watch a little further to see whether or not you still like it.

[Bubbles]

Oh i'm up to crocodile at the moment have just met Luffy's brother who is quite hot! I quite liked Don Krieg as well. Yep i'm still behind by quite a lot, have about 250 chapters to go!

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[Geese]

Am I the *only* person who liked the pre-Arlong arcs?


Kuro/Buggy/Krieg>>>>> You

[Masaki]

Am I the *only* person who liked the pre-Arlong arcs?


Kuro/Buggy/Krieg>>>>> You

Hell no. I loved them. However, they just aren't as good as everything else. However, with all non-fillers and non-Davy Back, the arcs become better as time goes by.

[Bubbles]

Whoever gave me a negative rep in here without leaving their name, for the reason that i don't like One Piece over Naruto. You should really read all of this thread and also considder the forum you are posting in! I have not said anything harsh or offensive and do not know why I have recieved a negative rep. Everyone is entitled to their own oppinion, and I am reading up on One Piece and enjoying it! The first post still stands because that is how I felt about One Piece, the people who posted in here convinced me to stick with it and I did and i'm thankful!

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[Masaki]

Wasn't me. You can like Naruto more, but after a while One Piece should be more preerable. I'll positive rep you to balance it out.

[Bubbles]

Thanks Masaki :thumbs i'm still only upto when Usopp and Chopper fight Mr 4 and Miss merry merry christmas. I was just pissed at that neg rep, there was no need for it. Whoever it was said I was a moron and that I had no soul.

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[warcraft]

i've only seen the 1st 30 episodes and i thought it was great and i'm about to get the next 60 episodes off my friend and i'm gonna read the manga just now, i've just started a mad download for the manga lol

[Masaki]

Thanks Masaki :thumbs i'm still only upto when Usopp and Chopper fight Mr 4 and Miss merry merry christmas. I was just pissed at that neg rep, there was no need for it. Whoever it was said I was a moron and that I had no soul.

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Well, like the rep says. It's for giving One Piece a second chance.

[NiknudStunod]

I felt the same as the op, but that is because I had not watched the subbed version. Just having watched the first 10 episodes subbed and I have a whole new view of this series. The japanese version feels alot more serious then the american dubbed. I really am looking forward to watching this series. I just wish my torrents would download faster then 30 kbs a second.

[wizah]

I felt the same as the op, but that is because I had not watched the subbed version. Just having watched the first 10 episodes subbed and I have a whole new view of this series. The japanese version feels alot more serious then the american dubbed. I really am looking forward to watching this series. I just wish my torrents would download faster then 30 kbs a second.

its called irc . irc://irc.rizon.net/kaizoku-fansubs

300 kb/s on there bots

[Unknown1]

I watched the first episode and wasn't all that impressed. Over the last month though I have gotten all the way up to 258. I was so drawn in after a few weeks of waiting for K-F's releases I decided to bare with the horrible subs for a few episodes they actually were quite humorous. I'm glad I did the CP9 arc is great. While I was a little pissed at Usopp and his whining for awile it's all starting to come together. Can't wait for the next episode, unfortunatly I finally will have to after watching 258 in a month. If I only could have controlled myself somewhat.

[Masaki]

I watched the first episode and wasn't all that impressed. Over the last month though I have gotten all the way up to 258. I was so drawn in after a few weeks of waiting for K-F's releases I decided to bare with the horrible subs for a few episodes they actually were quite humorous. I'm glad I did the CP9 arc is great. While I was a little pissed at Usopp and his whining for awile it's all starting to come together. Can't wait for the next episode, unfortunatly I finally will have to after watching 258 in a month. If I only could have controlled myself somewhat.

Wow. 258 in a month? It took me at least 2 months to get through all of K-F.

[Unknown1]

Yea I think it was around a month may have been longer I don't remember. Two weeks I had no work though so I could just watch for hours.

[NiknudStunod]

its called irc . irc://irc.rizon.net/kaizoku-fansubs

300 kb/s on there bots

I am a real noob when it comes to IRC. I actually kind of like it this way. I don't rush right through it. I get 10 episodes to watch a day. Right now I am 4 hours and 19 minutes away from episode 21-30. The story is really starting to take shape now that lufi has somewhat of a crew and a decent ship though he still needs a cook. Though I think the next couple of episodes he is gonna get one off this floating diner.

[Unknown1]

I am a real noob when it comes to IRC. I actually kind of like it this way. I don't rush right through it. I get 10 episodes to watch a day. Right now I am 4 hours and 19 minutes away from episode 31-40. The story is really starting to take shape now that lufi has somewhat of a crew and a decent ship though he still needs a cook. Though I think the next couple of episodes he is gonna get one off this floating diner.

You could be right :). That is probably the way to go about it 10 episodes a day is a nice pace. Enjoy them while you can.

[NiknudStunod]

I think I watched all naruto and bleach in one power weekend. I didn't get much sleep. This gives me a dose of anime I have been craving more and more for every day. I am not sure how many episodes there are but I think it should take me a while to catch up.

[Unknown1]

There are currently 178 released by K-F. Then there are the poor quality H-K subs for a bit. Then around 210ish or so they get better and go up to 258 atm. After waiting for K-F's releases for a few weeks I got impatient and delt with the bad subs. I expected them to be worse to be honest, I could still understand what was going on although they did jack up the chars names. It was comical. If you want I can give you a place where you can d/l every episode via direct d/l unless you perfer bit torrent and the pace you are going now. Just pm me if you would like to know.

[NiknudStunod]

Bit torrent is cool for one piece. After finishing the DL today I realized I downloaded the wrong batch (31-40). So I am currently downloading 21-30 with about 16 hours to go. I have a lot of one piece to watch tomorrow. Right now I have about 70 episodes of hikura no go qued up so it gonna be a while before I can direct download anything else. I will probally pm you when I run out of k-f subs.

[Aecen]

KF is catching up rather fast, just wait for them, avoid HK at all costs.

[Unknown1]

Meh he has a way to go before he catches up and most of the H-K subs were the Davy Back Fight episodes which was a subpar arc anyway. So you're really not missing all that much as long as the Skypiea arc has ended by the time you are caught up.

[Masaki]

Meh he has a way to go before he catches up and most of the H-K subs were the Davy Back Fight episodes which was a subpar arc anyway. So you're really not missing all that much as long as the Skypiea arc has ended by the time you are caught up.

What are you talking about? H-K did Skypeia and G8. They stopped right before Davy Back.

And Davy Back was not subpar.

[NiknudStunod]

It is gonna be a while before I catch up. I am about 7 hours away from 51-60. I am curious about filler episodes. Are there a lot of filler episodes like in naruto? I think there were a couple in the 41-50 range but its hard to tell. The buggy episodes seemed like it anyway.

[Masaki]

It is gonna be a while before I catch up. I am about 7 hours away from 51-60. I am curious about filler episodes. Are there a lot of filler episodes like in naruto? I think there were a couple in the 41-50 range but its hard to tell. The buggy episodes seemed like it anyway.

No way, Buggy appears many times throughout the show. Hell, he's coming up for you. While there are a lot of fillers and stalling, they are very good. Often, the only way you can tell it's filler is by either seeing that it's out of place, or, in some cases, you'd have to look it up just to tell.

[Ruri]

While there are a lot of fillers and stalling, they are very good. Often, the only way you can tell it's filler is by either seeing that it's out of place, or, in some cases, you'd have to look it up just to tell.

Agreed; I had no idea some of the fillers were fillers until it was pointed out to me. ^.^ This is yet another reason why I love the OP anime - even the fillers are very good, esp. compared to other series' fillers. :knk

[Unknown1]

Maybe you're right I have already deleted the files so I'm not positive although I was pretty sure they were still calling Luffy Ruffy, etc etc during Davy Back. It was supbar imo compared to Skypeia and the current arc. It is in no way bad. Skypeia prolly won't have much left after he's caught up anyway. I was just trying to give him an avenue to continue on once he catches up. People blast the crap out of the H-K subs although I didnt find them all that bad. Sure the english was broken and some of the char names were different but I found that comical.

[Ai_Kotobuki]

^ yea but to a OPtard its a huge disgrace, but in the davy back they cleaned up their act luckily in time for my fav arc

[Jink]

Well this coming from a 100% One Piece Tard I have to disagree with you. To me One Piece is the best out of the Shounen Trinity and is possibly the best anime/manga for me. For you I would suggest reading to the Arlong Arc and above, the story gets much better, though I have to agree the Kuro and Buggy Arcs are a bit boring and are not really necessary just that they introduced two new crew members and their ship Going Merry. One Piece is great in so many ways, first off the story is just great and makes you want more, action is fantastic. The characters have great personalitys to, you grow to love them even at first you hated them, also ever notice how in some animes like say Naruto where they introduce a character and then totally forget about that character like tenten or anyone besides Team 7 and Kakashi? Well in One Piece everyone takes an equal part, characters aren't left out, which is a plus in my book. Theres so many other reasons to, like the artwork, the outstanding humour, and plot development. I can't get enough of this a/m.

[Masaki]

Jink, I hope you know that this issue has been resolved already.

And to the HK bashers - Yes, they are bad. They sometimes don't make sense. They sometimes defy the English language so bad that you would wish to rip out your own eyes. But you still get the general idea of what's going on. And I think that by being able to interpret them, my SAT scores will probably be better.

[Bubbles]

Well the chat is back on this thread!

I still haven't seen any of the original anime, for this series, i'm just reading the manga. Fansubbing is illegal in this country though (UK). Still loads of people do it. I'd rather just buy it but I can't find it any cheaper then £30 for the first 50 episodes, which isn't to bad actually. I will see it some day though.

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[Nuriel]

I'd rather just buy it but I can't find it any cheaper then £30 for the first 50 episodes, which isn't to bad actually. I will see it some day though.
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Where are you buying it from? Some places sell bad fansubs online. So, you might be just as well off downloading the anime online. It is well worth seeing. I am a huge fan of the op anime.

[Mister_Anbu]

You haven't seen good comradery in an anime until you watch One Piece. Do not watch the American dub, it should just die. It's as other's said, it getes much better during the Arlong arc, because after that its just good arcs one after another, aside from the Apis filler. Arlong, Roguetown, Whiskeypeak, Little Garden, Drum Island, Alabasta(quite possibly the best arc in all of anime history), Jaya, Skypiea, G8(filler), Davy Back Fight, Memory(filler), and Water 7.

Many of the quotes in this series are known to make people cry.

[Jink]

Jink, I hope you know that this issue has been resolved already.

:huh I don't give a fuck, i was stating my opinion

[Nuriel]

You haven't seen good comradery in an anime until you watch One Piece. Do not watch the American dub, it should just die. It's as other's said, it getes much better during the Arlong arc, because after that its just good arcs one after another, aside from the Apis filler. Arlong, Roguetown, Whiskeypeak, Little Garden, Drum Island, Alabasta(quite possibly the best arc in all of anime history), Jaya, Skypiea, G8(filler), Davy Back Fight, Memory(filler), and Water 7.

Many of the quotes in this series are known to make people cry.

I completely agree. The One Piece anime is one of my favorites. The american dub basically just managed to massacre it.

[d.Lughie]

Whoaa.. this is great..
One Piece is definitely the best manga/anime ever to exist.. I know i'm like SOB boasting off!! but that's just me...
spread the word guys!! ^^

I don't really get why ppl doesn't like the anime.. I think its not that they didn't like it.. its just.. they never wanna try it.. However, I'm happy that you guys managed to convince ppl to watch this anime.. me myself have been trying to convince more ppl to watch or read OP!!

[Sanji]

I read the thread of the beginning, and I enjoyed seeing the transition of you giving One Piece a chance.

[Bubbles]

I still haven't got up to date though i'm still on sky island everyone is about to fight again, I think i still have over 100 chapters to read.

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[Toffeeman]

I still haven't got up to date though i'm still on sky island everyone is about to fight again, I think i still have over 100 chapters to read.
Heh, you have far more than that..

[Bubbles]

How many chapters are there now? It's such a long series.

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[Sanji]

At the moment, 408.

[jaks5555]

408 is still not scan. as well

[Bubbles]

oh well I have a long way to go until I'll reach those chapters anyway

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[d.Lughie]

408 is still not scan. as well

its already scanned.. you can get it at www.mangahelpers.com or www.apforums.net :)

[AestheticizeAnalog]

I understand why you would not like it. The animation style has a very juvenile look to it and at times is a little over the top. But once you can get past that, you will see how amazing the show really is. And i also would like to reiterate that the show gets really good about the time of the arlong arc and continues to become more interesting throughout. At first I thought it was going to be hella juvenile all the way through but there are many sections that have proven me immensley wrong. Keep on reading! You wont regret it.