The Buddah & Friedrich Nietzsche

[mow]

So, one ofmy most treasured moments in life was encountring a little religious "scripture" by The Buddah, entitled "The Fire Sermon". Easily the most engimatic, enchanting, reasonat and without a doubt, the most enlightening text I've ever read. What made it so fascinating was how the Buddah understood the ulitmate truth and reality of our lives, the truth that our seemingly miserable drifiting lives are far more than non-sensical blabber. The speech was given to a group of fire worshipers who obivoulsy could not and would not attempt to comprhend or even listen to the Buddah's views on our world. However, he explained it to them using terms that they could relate to, terms they cheerish and in a most courtoues, honest and loving manner. His words, motions and aura literary periced through the hearts and ears of the group, and resonated them to nirvana. He used fire as a means to connect with them, those so very different from him, and drew a portraitof how we are all united, who we are one and the same, how we are alive.

The term "Everything Is Ablaze" was eupohric to me. The fashion in how Buddah understood that we are one and the same, yet we perceive the world around us so differently is a lesson that will remain as timeless as it has been. We try to place bounderies, we build walls and we draw borders sepaating us from everyone. We feel that we are so massively unrelated, that no one cares about us, so why should we care about others? So we hide how we feel, who we are and we do everything to conceal ourselves from others, thinking they are nothing but these strange beasts seeking our demise.

They are not, so we shouldn't push them away. Let them come in, let them see your true self, and rejoice in each others hands. We all go through the same shit, it's just a different day.

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This past week, I was in the perfect mindset to rekindle my adoration and hideous passion to Nietzsche via his masterpiece" Thus Spoke Zarathustra". Simply remarkable. Nietzcshe uses a persian poet Zarathustra to summon up every concept and fleeting idea you've ever concieved with brutal honesty. The main theme of the book is to raise above and reach your fullest potential with being restricted by anything. Almost every line can be broken down into som emany various philosophical concepts. Amazing piece of literature.

Nietzsche phlosphy (like Pluto) challenged the surronding indiviuals to question their most basic beliefs and ethics system. He frowned on contemporary culture ( stating that people where being herder, just becuase others were), religion, and philosophy. His entire realm rottated around the very basic question of values and morality.

His phiosphy could be summed up by a single quote

Lift your hearts, my brothers and sisters, high, higher! And Don't forget your legs! Lift your legs too, you good dancers! And better yet, stand on your legs!

You can read the e-book here (http://www.luminary.us/nz/zarathustra.html)

Nietzcshe was the second coming of the Buddah, and they were two sides of the same coin. While the buddah preached that we are all togther, Nietzsche spoke of how we must stand unparalled and un inhibited by the world around us. Simplistic concepts, but they ring so true and are so hard to accomplish. and they both march hand in hand

To make this sily rant short, use this thread to discuss or simply post anything you've felt/read about the Buddah and Nietzsche; from their writings and manner of life, to quotes and simple thoughs about their philosphyl how they related to the world around them and how it relates to you. Post your phiosphy in life, and how you precieve the world around you. Only when we share our thoughs can we trully understand one another.

[Shunsui]

Let them come in, let them see your true self, and rejoice in each others hands.


*sets as MSN personal message*

[rimpelcut]

four things to do acording to buddha: 1 right intent 2 right effort 3 right consciousness 4 right dicernment.

so the thing that thinks is subconscious. The actual processor that understands and gives thoughts and action is subconscious. no one has ever learned that feeling bad and making feeling wors is good. From when you are born you already start learning these things so your subconscious will never give you a thought that can be harmfull because it operates on truth. this gives you a intention whitch is right. now you have intention you must look at the intention and realize that it is based on truth if not then it is based on ignorance. when you follow the intention, some need faith for this if first is not understood, you get consciousness of that intention beeing executed by the effort. Therefore you can't have the right consciousness without the first two. now that you have consciousness that is mindfull because of the clear perseption of what it's for and therefore the right way without doubt of the course of action(consciousness) you can discern what works and what doesn't work.

[memback]

Well my philosphy...... i dont know if a have a solid one but i still believe the world is pretty fucked up place. As far as what buddha said about not being so cynical, itd be nice if ppl were less cynical but human nature makes us suspecting of one another.

Oh yah my fav quotes are.......

Always Follow A Wiseman's Teachings But Never A Wiseman, Becuase A Wiseman Is Still Just A Man, A Man Who Can Become Tainted And Corrupt.

-David Tobar
2005

And my signature those are nice ones!

[rimpelcut]

buddha said that emotions and pain are nothing worth suffering over and it is so true. Also he said that emotions and pain are seperate consciousnesses meaning that fear and spider are not connected, only by your standard. If you see that standard and think about it you can get a wise decision without fear.

[rimpelcut]

there is a concept of will.

[rimpelcut]

spinoza:
IP14: Except God, no substance can be or be conceived.

The demonstration of this proposition is exceedingly simple. God exists (by IP11). Since God possesses every attribute (by ID6), if any substance other than God were to exist, it would possess an attribute in common with God. But, since there cannot be two or more substances with a common attribute (by IP5), there can be no substance other than God. God is the one and only substance.

I find this interesting. It says that everything is god. I had a thought once that what the church really meant by god and faith and luck is the universe itself and that that is the devine force that governs us all.

[mow]

Well, my fascination with Nietzche has merged with my love of music.

this is from a current projecting my mate and I have been working on, dedicated to Friedrich Nietzsche and his wonder; Thus Spoke Zarathustra. It's part of a conceptual record, cleverly entitled, Music For Nietzsche. Still a work in progress, but I'd love to hear what you all think:

Everything Is Ablaze - Never Forget! The Higher We Soar, The Smaller We Appear To Those Who Cannot Fly (http://s47.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1TKUBY8R13DG3CSNK5GBFCUWS)

All the song titles are quotes by Nietzsche. Tell me what you think

[rimpelcut]

the music concentrates on one side. I love the guitar part(I think it is a guitar) It is like playing the balalajka. The thing thing, thing thing stuff is anoying.

[mow]

Yeah, I went a bit overboard with the ambience, but it will be more harmonic as soon as the violin/piano section is done. But in regards to the sound, do you think it's fitting of the quote? Does it capture (slightly) it's essence in your opnion?

[rimpelcut]

well I don't know what the quote means but I did feel a flying higher in the sky thing.

[Kush P]

Wow first ever interesting discussion I have ever seen in a while. Im not really familiar with Nietzsche so that was interesting. Yep the power of self is a new concept to some people. I think some people are too scared of just being who they are, others i think just want to follow what others have done. Its the way of the world, when you dare to be different to be you, the world will do its best to put you back in place..The world is a paradox..Its the same thing everywhere...you try out a new you, your friends think your weird. You try to be kind, most people take advantage of you...You live by your truth, but somebody tears it apart because it doenst conform to his own truth....I bet Nietzsche got really hated on just for being this way. Wish it doesnt but it happen to us all. Its the hardest thing to do changing the world isnt it?

[rimpelcut]

there is no need to change the whole world, just your neighboorhood and the world will evolve on it's own.

[mow]

Wow first ever interesting discussion I have ever seen in a while. Im not really familiar with Nietzsche so that was interesting. Yep the power of self is a new concept to some people. I think some people are too scared of just being who they are, others i think just want to follow what others have done.

It's the "sheep mentalty", everyone follows the sheperd without pondering themselves.

you try out a new you, your friends think your weird.

Im actually going to experince that soon. I'm going to return home for the first time in 3.5 years. It's going to be extremely interesting to say the least, my prespective of religion and life in general has changed quite the bit, I wonder how my mates would precive me now.


You try to be kind, most people take advantage of you...You live by your truth, but somebody tears it apart because it doenst conform to his own truth....I bet Nietzsche got really hated on just for being this way. Wish it doesnt but it happen to us all. Its the hardest thing to do changing the world isnt it?

Yeah, nietzsche's family halted the release of a good number of his books due to how outlandish they were (at the time), and the only reason he was labeled a heretic (there's a famous quote in Thus Spoke Zarathustra were after meetign a priest, zara says "God is Dead". Nietzsche really despied organised religion where people where beign halted from exploring themselves) was the fact people actually never bothered with his writings at the time. He died a crazy man that no one could relate to.

welcome to NF btw :amuse

there is no need to change the whole world, just your neighboorhood and the world will evolve on it's own.

Bingo, people really undermine their abilites when they say " I could do that, but I wont make a difference". For example; If you choose to recycle and use as many recycled items as possible, your efforts/dedication is bbound to rub off on a close friend, whose efforts/dedication to his close friend, and before you knmow it, a mini chain reaction occurs.

Have you ever seen a movie called Pay It Forward? The basic plot line is a child who starts a social project in which he does something good for a person in need, and the only payment is that said person pays the favour and helps 3 other people.

[rimpelcut]

yeah I saw that movie. Back then I thought it was a idealistic idea because of how people are but I missed the point then. There is no need for everybody to suddenly become nice, they are already nice only their ignorance makes them make poor desisions they need an example of the power of Self-responsibility. The movie was good

[Kush P]

Yeah I was begining to feel that alot too..I think if I evolve the world has no choice but to take notice. Somebody once told me that I must lead by example...Kinda worked, my peers in my community has no love for education, books, and whats happening around the world for that matter. Seems like every one was trying to sell drugs, acting like husslers they see on t.v...I didn't want to live like that so I educate myself..I started to talk about philosophy, history, sociology, even a bit of science to my peers. I scared them a bit, but soon enough a few of them gave me a call to go to the library to pick up a book....maybe we arent as hopeless...

[Kush P]

Man Im glad there are other people who are in to this though lol. Learned alot today...in Naruto Forums of all places.

[rimpelcut]

hey if you are into that shit I can give you a link with krishnamurti's wisdom but it's 60mb, he talks about life, relationship, freedom, allot of other stuff and I haven't read it all but the things I did read I approved and it is very well explained and written.

[mow]

@ Piccasshole; as cliched as this might sound, knoweldge is indeed power :amuse

@loce; I'd love that actually. Do share =]

[Kush P]

sure man...new ideas can only lead to enlightment

[rimpelcut]

unzip it and then click the index.html thing. This stuff really gives perspective into things, read "think on these things".
http://rapidshare.de/files/10011268/J._Krishnamurti_-_Complete_Works.rar.html
20 Mb

ow if rapidshare comes with it's limited bandwiht crap refresh browser couple of times

[Kush P]

Thanks dude..Got something to feed the mind again i guess

[rimpelcut]

the mind feeds on reality

[Kush P]

True...Cant it feed on imagination though? I mean wouldnt all possible realities must been first thought of and imagined before its realized?

[rimpelcut]

if you use it as food then it is. Do you mean imaginative realities? Then yes but if that imagination gives you thought and memory..

[Kush P]

You're an interesting fellow loco....I noticed this one thing about philosophy though, the more deeper I get into it the more vague I become...Do you think its because we need to apply more knowledge to ourselves? On the other hand though...Buddhism suggest that nothingness is actually infinite..If you're mind is clear and empty you are actually more enlightened

[rimpelcut]

The consciousness is just a collection of senses and thoughts. The thoughts come from the subconscious. When you are not enlightend you often don't take time to look at certain consciousnesses and see what they really are. Also when you become older you want to different things at the same time but this is not possible. People for instance want to think harder but what they really do is stress their neck muscles (whitch gives a tension in the head) or they try to look inside their head but what they are doing is playing with their muscles. Your mind can only see one consciousness at the same time (we don't have two brains) if you look at your leg getting tense and then you try to move your body and you forget that your leg is origionally blocking the movement then you might get into a duality of struggle(suffering) where you keep tensing your leg but at the same time try to move your body (it sounds stupid but it is true). Once you do one thing at a time you see it 100% clear.

When you for instance think of becoming president you get the idea that it is complex. You think of it as impossible. This standard is finite, you can't get around it, it will always be the same. If you just start to think of how to become a president it becomes possible, there is no standard(of difficult) and it is infinite because there is nothing that blocks you(standard). So in nothingness(standards, concepts) there is infinity of ways because there are no obstacles. This is just speculation maybe you meant something else.

What do you mean you become vague? speaking vague or thinking vague or?

[Kush P]

Yep thinking and speaking vague..It usually comes when im trying to express views on philosophy, science, or anything else for that matter. Expressing your ideas is hard to do...Its like sometimes you feel out of words like there's a big limit to speech and language. The best way I can describe it is like expressing the color orange to people who hasnt seen the color red...

[rimpelcut]

Yeah I have that too but that is just because we don't see it as the full truth there are other ideas that confuse us. Or maybe you have a memory of the concept but you forget how it actually worked. The only way to talk about it without vagueness is think it over again from the beginning as if you didn't get it the first time and probable if you do it like that you will broden your horizon on that concept. In the end you have to see it crystal clear or else you didn't get it. Often the problem is that a philosophical idea affects so many things and different concepts that you just don't know where to begin. It's as if you are trying to explain a foreign language to someone.

[Toby]

Oh wow, you guys are the first people I have met I can discuss Friedrich Nietzsche with! Joy! ^^

I first started reading his works regarding 'The Will to Power' as it proved to be a drive which inspired the immense German nationalism.

But to the topic!

It seems strange that the closer one comes to discovering clear truth the vaguer it seems. I think that partly the reason of this is perhaps the human mind's concept of lacking the ability to asess ultimates. An example can be seen in maths and physics, not everybody can understand it equally well, this due to the mind's recieving ability and processing or comprehension of information.

Ultimates are more than just limits, I think that they are closer to fact and that because it is irreversible unless the ultimate is ignored. But then some people prefer to stick with "nothing is impossible", and I tend to find that more interesting...Not making it easy at all.

[rimpelcut]

why ignore an ultimate? because it might mean that you will change? haha, people take truth to personal.
Nah I think it becomes vague because you are trying to find a memory instead of thinking about it again. People see truth something that can pop back into there heads but it doesn't. You have to start with a sentance and think from there again. When somebody asks you a question you have to first understand exactly what he means and then think about how it really works etc. So in conclusion you have to take it one step at a time and not hurry to find the answer. The microsecond you start to hurry you loose track, if you never leave the track you find the answer. hehee

[Kush P]

True. The more I re-think questions, sometimes new ideas would pop out on top of my original truth, changing my perspective on things..A paradigm shift i guess. So wouldn't truth keep changing as long as our consciousness have the natural desire to question and know more?

[rimpelcut]

the nature of our minds and thus ourselfs is processing.
All truths in the end can be molded into one chain of events.

[Kush P]

You're right it can be broke down to a very long chain of events....These events appear to happen in random for me but non-stop and consistent..If these constant events keeps giving me shades of the truth.. Do you think we can ever see truth in a whole?

[rimpelcut]

I have no idea what you are talking about. I can tell you that people that have studied nature like taoists but also others have found a truth that is can be found everywhere. Also mind you that if you think about time travel or whatever that it is crucial to see clear which variations there could be, a singly fact can shatter your whole theory. It is very difficult to think about such things, you need complete focus and never get tired as if you are not in a hurry to find the truth because you want answers but you just have this opportunity to think about phenomenon of reality and you take it and explore. People meditate for months on some concepts/

[Kush P]

All im saying is we do not now what truth really is yet right? Its because there are events that happens in our lives that changes your usual idea about truth right? These events happen randomly in our lives doesnt it? We dont have a calendar that can pinpoint when or where these events will happen in our lives. Its even safe to say that revelations of truth can happen anytime to people, they might pick it up reading something, in forums or wherever, not necessarily just meditating...Regardless, when these events happen we would always pick up something new and learn something from these events that would challenge our old concept of truth...Yeah it can happen today, tomorrow, or a thousand years from now. And even if you have a new revelation about truth another one might happen soon and you wont know when.

[rimpelcut]

you are right but a human can think of every possibility I believe. If there is something man cannot think of then it is uncomprihendable, thats why I believe science fiction storys tell about realities that the human mind cannot comprihend and thus that truth can never be known. As for the things that are possible, those things can be found in a life time if you theorize all the time.

[Kush P]

Yea exactly artist and poets I think can express those thought-provoking ideas of reality better than most of us. Man you put things to perspective pretty well Loco, always something to think about..So yea I think if we keep it up, I might just theorize all the time and figure it out in my lifetime lol. I think I should go and continue reading the complete works of Khrishnamurti for starters..

[rimpelcut]

yeah me too, but it's party time now baby!

[Kush P]

I read something Nietzsche said but I couldnt remember it enough word for word...But he said something like "The only woman that can show me true love is my sister"..Are deep thinkers always doomed when it comes to keeping a meaningful relationship? Yes when we have that primal urge to pursue basic sex we could easily get it, but when philosophers try to maintain that relationship it mostly crumble apart. I mean do deep thinkers perceptions on love and everything else so different from women that it results in constant arguments and eventually someone walks away?

[Mugen X]

^DUDE, It was Nietzsche who also wrote: "Even concubinage has been corrupted — by marriage." (Beyond Good and Evil p.123). Nietzsche was a bigoted, cranky, old man who worshipped Wagner. Have you read Thus Spoke Zarathustra? No wonder he could not find love.

I think he stole "the will" from Schopenhauer and then amended it into "the will to power". Nietsche was all about the individual and self-importance, which conflicts with popular religious beliefs.

[Kush P]

No I have not read that...Im really new to Nietzsche for that matter. I recently also found out that he is in constant criticism because of his beliefs..All I know is what he said has some truth to it comes to deep thinkers and maintaining relationships...Maybe you should tell me some of what you read or knew about it

[Mugen X]

about deep thinkers and maintaining relationships? I know whether Nietzsche ever wrote much on love -- that which he has written was probably just a random aphorism. But I do know that he saw all human action and interaction as excercises of dominance and submission. For example, when you open a door, you are commanding the doorknob to turn(sub) under the pressure applied(dom). This belief, imo, is incompatible with popular conceptions of love. Love does not consist of dom/sub... Love is also no egoistic (as Nietzsche tries to promote). On the other hand, sex is.

But nowdays there is no such thing as an original thought. Most modern-day philosophers work for magazines.

[rimpelcut]

but love is eqotistical. you see often the real thoughts that drove someone to a conclusion are not mentioned and that sucks.

[Kush P]

The way I saw it is that philosophers are always in search of truth, deep thinkers also keep on constantly find something new about themselves the more they wonder about things especially love...I mean the hardest part about relationships is accepting someone for who they really are, and thats hard to do already. Deep thinkers usually develop alot of insight on things, so sometimes their views on things sounds a little too crazy for their own peers and lovers too.

[rimpelcut]

yeah thats true. what I found remarkable is that people like buddha and krisnamunda (or something like that) can exactly explain it and where your thoughts lead you into a wrong direction.

[Kush P]

Now that's insight...the ability to tell a thought from going to the wrong direction. They probably have such a profound view of the world....Still you're going to be facing a problem, what if you're thoughts are true but will lead you to arguments with your girl who's most likely doesnt have that same insight? What do you do then, thats such a man's problem...Do you leave it be or say it out anyways and face the consequences because you take pride on your truth? Man doesnt this question pop out everywhere lol I think the capitalism thread or something, we were talking about this too...

[mow]

Man, that black gai never gets old XD.

Philsopers are brilliant, not in the manner in which they think (which is rather brilliant), but in the fact they are seeking to understand themselves and everyone around them. It's refreshing to find people who actually give a damn.

Still you're going to be facing a problem, what if you're thoughts are true but will lead you to arguments with your girl who's most likely doesnt have that same insight? What do you do then, thats such a man's problem...Do you leave it be or say it out anyways and face the consequences because you take pride on your truth?.

I really think that (love in this example) revolves around two indiviuals willign to accept each other different views and rejoicing in the fact that they are separate entities. That being said, love is also about trying to go the extra mile seeking to understand the other person's though system. If one of the partners in the relationship doesnt do so, then it really isnt worth while. A man or women should be proud of their mate speaking his mind and their mate should be proud of their loved one giving them the time to voice their thoughs without worrying about a back lash effect.

Now just magine if that was used in politics.


I just picked up this new boock, A Common Humanity: Thinking About Love and Truth and Justice by Raimond Gaita. Im enchanted by it. Gaitia's style is remarkably simplistic, and focuses on the goodness asspect (wanker, he stole that idea from my book :mad) and is extreemly heartfelt and compassionate in natrue. Though I admit, it is a hard read and I had a rough a bit of a rough time following his reasoning. His philosphy is sometimes rather straightforward, but over all challenging and enlightening. I'll try to dig around for an e-version of it.

[rimpelcut]

thank you moe!

and yes you are right, aren't women always saying we men should talk more? You love a person for his difference,gender,mind,whatever. That is what interests me anyway. I think in some cases you just have to give a person some time to think about things because they might be to closed minded to even listen to your words. For example they might get mad or whatever. Buddha labelled them "not ready to receive the teachings" and like moe said, you don't want someone like that.

[Kush P]

No I probably dont, you're right...But Im stuck for now lol. Its like you're still scared of losing them over mere words...I cant really say anything anymore than...man its your pic its throwing me off, its too pimp lol. Supafly Black Gai! Always wanted to see being Bruce Lee black but this is close enough...

[rimpelcut]

hahaha, then close your eyes..no that will probable make it worse lol

[Kush P]

No no...I like it I like it. Off topic, but there's naruto parties like that where your from? Craziness...Naruto is probably more popular than I imagined. Man if your the supafly black gai then you don't have trouble with the ladies like I do all the time ahhaha..Accept my philosophy or accept the back of my hand

[rimpelcut]

you slap them hos?
I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one.
BUt seriously you should see everything you do in life as a puzzle, a game. Something that takes up your mind and you look at the dynamics. You pull some strings there and there to see what will happen.
1, You don't care when you do this(about the girl), you are in your element, you are not beeing pushed over by the lady. This makes the women horny.
2 you have a fun spontanious time and chicks dig that.
people that TRULY use there intelligent are really funny and interesting.
for instance I am learning to talk on forums for the very first time.
girls don't want to hear a long speach about philosophy. Just tell them A short line and then they will be dazzled or ask a question and you give a imaginary example and they will be more dazzled.
that's how I see it in short.

[Kush P]

lol yep you got the makings of a mack there dude. No I dont slap them hos, lol my moms taught me not to...

Yea I think I somewhat do all those, I got no problems with getting the ladies. Its the long run that gets me messed up. The girl I had was cool but I started to realize more about women, since Im raised practicall in a home with no male figures just sisters and mother. I noticed that women want more than being loved, I dont know why that is but they naturally want more. An example of that is they always want to look prettier than they already are (My girl wouldnt leave the house with no make up on even just to meet you across the street). I moved her out the house because her abusive family but rag about how shitty the apartment is...These things I try to enlightened, and preach but at the end they just want more lol. Dr loco do you see my predicament? Now I could just shut up about the whole mess and turn my back but that would hurt some man pride. Like Nietzsche said "Only true love I got from women is from my sister"

[rimpelcut]

I think that women are more in trouble then men. They see there emotions and feelings whitch arise because of habitual behaviour as a part of them. A guide as it is. The standards that they made in life witch gave them choice and fear are seen as a women's intuition or something like that. They don't see like most men and women don't see that those emotions have thought patterns behind them. The difference therefore between men and women is that men keep thinking more and women rely on there emotions to guide them.
Pain and all sensual pleasure in general makes a person clinging to the concept of good and bad etc. (This is why buddha keeps repeating about sensual pleasure etc)
Now those emotions can be a helpfull guide. It is a direct link to insight. But if you rely on emotions to give you the answers you have to have experience in live to fill your subconsciousness with possibilities. Also your mind I believe can only recieve this knowledge if you are open to it. That is why when you become older and closed minded with certain things you like and dislike with no apperant reason and you just want to get answers to life without looking for yourself you don't get anything. Kids have the brain of a sponge?
Anyway I forgot what the hell I was talking about because I'm watching something on mtv but anyway my advice to you would be to keep laughing, make her realize that she is acting like an idiot and also make her talk about what she things. This is very important because if she starts talking and opens her mind you will be able to get your philosophies through to her.
But I just dump um cause The girls I meat are not so interresting and if that is not present I don't love them. Maybe when I'm older I'll try to conquer the beast hardihar har

[Kush P]

Dope stuff loco.. Maybe thats it, I am simply addicted to women, and women are simply addicted to their emotions LOL. Yea maybe when we get older we would know better ways to let your ideas and views about life to women easier and in a more smarter, and efficient way since you would gain experience. Conquering the beast is the funniest but realest way you could say it I guess LOL

[rimpelcut]

I think that we have a interest in women because they are different and there is also hormones, sex. The rest is just bullshit. Men are the once that provide and the smartest gets picked. That is why girls dress up and shit. If you keep a girl at a distance she will get interested in you, because her nature is to seduce and the nature of men is dominate. Men are overpowered by women by that seduction but if he becomes a puppy following her she looses interest. Therefore there must be a balnce between domination and seduction. I like a girl hat is a natural flirt and by that I mean that she carries herself in a certainwaand speaks in a way that implies hat I like her. But I do not cross the line and drag her into my frame. I make it seem that she likes me. If a women is so ignorant to believe that she has he upperhand becase she is a women then she will go chasing me and I can do whatever I want.

[Kush P]

Thats so true.. I mean the moment you show weakness, the women picks it up quickly since like you said they have more insight on emotions. Maybe thats why they are soo great at head games LOL. Its true we are the provider that was our natural role...the smartest are picked because they can provide better thats why women try to look their best.. But I think it got really overdone when somebody came up with a standard on how female beauty suppose to look like. For example marilyn monroe, when she came out people just think thats how a beautiful woman should look like...its just not fair because now girls would use make up to mask themselves to look like the standard beauty. Nowadays they would even mask how they act just to be accepted as a sexy woman...

[rimpelcut]

yeah while the make up isn't the women, breasts aren't the women, a slut isn't the women. A women is the women.

[Kush P]

Amen loco...I got what you said completely my friend.

[rimpelcut]

tell me about krishna

[Kush P]

"They must be prepared to give up their petty personalities for the great work
and to carry out in their daily life the teachings and the knowledge that they may obtain in years to come"

That could've been the ultimate purpose that most us are doing but not subsconciously aware however just by naturally trying to attain our own life's full potential and enlightment, we actually might begin to affect the little worlds around you. Although by attaining that wholeness and enlightment, you must also be prepared to give up any silly belief and characteristics just because we have great emotional attachment to it...

[rimpelcut]

word!
krishna talked about relationship in school with school children.
The children said that not everybody had the same views and some of them felt not at home. So krishna explained to them in a very broad way that when you are self-responsible you will be feel at home everywhere, you will make sure that everybody came to an agreement because you make the school your home. You have to read it to grasp it fully, meaning with different examples and situations.
At the party it is the people that make make a great party. In society it is the people that make the society great.
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[Kush P]

Yep true..yea Im trying to read some lines a couple times over and keep thinking to fully see it in a whole sometimes. I get that though, the more aware you are about everything its easier you get comfortable with your surroundings. You begin to question things, but also understand and respect things. And if you're aware, you start being aware of other people that are being aware. Also when you see that person is aware like you, you try to share beliefs to somehow find truth and enlightment, not opposing it because you are attached to you're ideas...I say dont push, or pull but rather walk side by side.

[rimpelcut]

I realized just know that you cannot get truth as in you control truth or you can find it somewhere. It just comes to you and it stays there and goes away again and it comes back. You can however concentrate on something for instance a event and keep your mind on that and then answers and questions will flow. The key to thinking is to forget everything but one thought, consciousness and then just staying aware of things and from that awarness comes discernment whitch gives you memory of a clear picture. because of that you see remember things clearly and because of discernment everything you do is clear. because of that clearness you can get a clear truth of the matter.

[Kush P]

I see it. Maybe thats why we need to have that insight and awareness because yea truth might disappear all of a sudden and we dont know when it will come out again...So by having an insight you might pick it up easier when it decides to show up again. Gaining that insight, I think as you suggested, the ability to focus and tuning your consciousness is really needed.

Yep this should be applied in our society though dont you think? Society to me is dividing things rather than seeing it as one or whole...we have so much cultures, laws, and rules that denies that idea and seperates it instead. We break it down rather than putting things together...

[rimpelcut]

yeah its a domino effect. You tell someone he is stupid without explaining it literly because you think oh I'm smart, I will talk smart deep words. So the stupid or just ignorant person(I mean you need to be really smart and intelligent to know the thoughts of others if that person doesn't use words to accuratly explain things) will then say, you are stupid bla bla and then you will say that he is stupid for not understanding you and calling you stupid. So this seperates people.
A smart man will quickly explain what he meant. Also skillfull use of words is needed to get your message clear across. You have know specific words to clarify what exactly you speak of.
Communication is the problem. Often people stop communicating when they failed to get understood and then just start prejudging people. They get misunderstood because other people got the same problems only earlier. Well you know all those things like jealous and stuff.

[Kush P]

Then maybe there are flaws and limits to our languages...I mean there are things we really cant describe in a launguage speaking or writing. Like certain experiences, the best example I can come up with is colors. Understanding the color blue is experiencing it and remembering that exact image of it, trying to explain that to a person who has never seen it before is pointless. To fully understand, the other person might need to feel the same experience or somewhat the same. I also felt that there might still be things or experiences out there that we might starting to be aware of but cannot really fully explain it because we do not have a name or word for it yet..

[rimpelcut]

yes exactly! that is why you shouldn't get upset or bother others because of views. People should realize that there is no difference between ones view or the other when it comes to how you can make the world go around.
With this I mean you shouldn't bother eachother or get upset because in the end you want the same thing.

Do you listen to bob marley?

[Kush P]

Yea I do lol...He's one of my favorites, I liked what he stood for actually, he was for sure about unity..Dont know why but I like to listen to alot of old black music too..like blues and a bit of jazz, hiphop too I guess but not new ones. I think alot sometimes when I listen to such artists and music..

[rimpelcut]

bob marley makes me see how humans should treat eachother and he also speaks in the same language as I do(thoughts).
I'm listining a tribe called quest now. you know them?

[Kush P]

Yep I know Q-tip is in there and they were rapping for so long as a group too. They also looked like they had a different style of hip hop, their own sort of brand lol. Bob Marley though can make you think, he speaks and sings in a such a universal way that every type of person can easily understands him...Thats an important attributes of an artist, and a rarity nowadays.

[rimpelcut]

Yep I know Q-tip is in there and they were rapping for so long as a group too. They also looked like they had a different style of hip hop, their own sort of brand lol. Bob Marley though can make you think, he speaks and sings in a such a universal way that every type of person can easily understands him...Thats an important attributes of an artist, and a rarity nowadays.

the people in a tribe called quest have all a cool way of rappin and bob marly sings from the hart on his albums.

[Kush P]

Yea I know....Its a shame how musicians today are different. No heart, no soul just some artists who's songs are made by producers who went to a university studying music, video directed like a movie, and songs which doesnt stimulate the mind at all, just ups and downs of life...Given the right amount of money, these new artists would make fun of their own mothers in their songs. Unheard of back at the Old School...

I read a Nietzsche quote that says somethng like this ..."The only music today are sick music"

[rimpelcut]

I haven't tough about music really I just don't like some. I should put some thought on it.

[mow]

A TRIBE CALLED QUEST IS THE BOMB!!! The tribe set themselves apart from most other hiphop collectives in that they were the leaders of the Native Tounge movement and they mixed jazz and hip hop to make a fantasitc sound. I'm a sucker for laid back, jazzy and soical concious hiphop.

and Q-Tip is so much the man, he's the best MC to ever walk earth IMO. Have you heard his record Kamaal The Abstract? I reviewed it here (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=44683). It's probabiyl one of the best hiphop records of all time. Soul/funk/jazz/hiphop/rock, it's all there.

On the topic of music, I think it's the most wonderful art form on this land. Art and literature is genearlly fantastic becuase at least for once, the person behind them is sharing a portion of himself to the masses, and that takes a tremendous amount of honesty and passion to do. People lie about all the time, wether it's in regards to themselves or in their interactions with others. It's nice to find people who are honest and direct about how they feel and think.

I'll send you guys a recent fav. of mine; Rachel's - Music For Egon Schiele, check it out here (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=76174). It's extremely gentle, uplifitng and enlightening. I think you'll enjoy it alot.

[rimpelcut]

Hell yeah I listened to that album as soon as it got released. I got the rest of the albums to.
All I can say their music is interesting and can be listened to many times because you can discover many levels in it.

[Kush P]

Cool I'll try that out...I never heard any Q-tip albums after the Tribe. I swear the only new promising hip hop artist that I know of is Damian Marley. These current rapper's music all get me hyped up and pissed off for no reason LOL!

[rimpelcut]

hahahahhaha

[Kush P]

Yea loco, Ive been out the rap game man. Im serious though music is sooo powerful. If you hear like Lil Jon songs or dirty south style, man you have to get rowdy...

[rimpelcut]

Whenever I hear DMX I imagine breaking somones neck in 7 ways.

[Kush P]

LOL man he is insane....He can make you relate to him, feel so depressed, or go kill somebody

[rimpelcut]

regarding the topic: you read something interessting lately?

[Kush P]

Nah dude...well my woman's making me read books lol, poems by ralph waldo emerson, and some book about an alchemist, Paracelsus. Nothing crazy..

[rimpelcut]

sounds boring

[Kush P]

Yes it is...I get it, its deep but its bores me. How bout you?

[rimpelcut]

I am reading the tao tse ching and I am re-reading "taoists secrets of male cultivating sexual energy" Been practising for months. Also I am reading the hitchhikers guide. I'm at the 3d book now.

[Sesha]

Nah dude...well my woman's making me read books lol, poems by ralph waldo emerson, and some book about an alchemist, Paracelsus. Nothing crazy..

You know, Paracelsus is perhaps the most famous alchemist of all time, if I were you, I'd keep an open mind to it :)

[rimpelcut]

what does he say?

[Kush P]

Really?? I havent touched it, it was just recommended to me by my girl. I just thought it would be really boring, because she's usually only talking bout whats hot on T.V. and shows lol...She said something about him being criticized so much for not sticking to "practical science" for his cures or inventions? something like that...whatever she meant LOL. If you know a bit maybe you should share a little bit of info about it...

[rimpelcut]

wassup picca

[Kush P]

Nothin...Screwed up day for real man. I was acting like a jackass everywhere I went today..Lack of sleep LOL...what's up with you?

[rimpelcut]

nothin, slapped my girlfriends ass just now lol

[Kush P]

Oh man lol, see I can't really do things like that to my girl. She looks pissed all the time, and just waiting till I mess something up so I can get it lol. I just hit the green, and drink something LOL...

[rimpelcut]

how did your presentation go?

how do you role your joints?

[Kush P]

Oh the class orientation was just bad, I was sleeping most of the time in there. They woke me up once because it was my turn to say something about yourself or something else I don't know but I blurted out "its a woman's world" LOL..

I roll it dutch baby! Tight too! Toight loike a toiger lol...I use juicy js, or rizzlas rolling paper.

[rimpelcut]

rizzla brand sucks, how are they juicy?

do smoke blunts?

[Kush P]

Blunts are the best..only on special occasions heh it costs alot to make one...
Juicy are good, really rizzla brand sucks???? man I always thought its good, what do you use?

[rimpelcut]

I don't understand how paper can be juicy. You mean when you smoke right?

I use smoking. There are different once. Smoking blue, smoking silver, smoking gold, smoking black, smoking red, smoking green. Rizzla is to thick and doesn't stick good. It's like the paper you roll a sigaret with.

[Kush P]

oh juicy js..yea they're those ones with different flavors that goes in your lips. Wow really?? Dude here rizzlas are the thinnest we can get.....that sucks!!

[rimpelcut]

ooh flavoured smoking paper, cool. Maybe rizzla has a better market in US. the papers are in a red thing right?

[Kush P]

no dude!! dammit you guys probably got something nice man! we only have a blue and silver one...I bet gunja's cheap there too

[rimpelcut]

how much does it cost there? and what is the percentage of THC>
In holland you may have 2 plants in your home.

[Kush P]

Im not sure loco how much thc loco good question...i will need to find that out. Well it cost alot 35 - 40$ for an eigth of an ounce...and thats the very best ones that you can get. What the hell though, you're allowed to grow??? man nope not allowed for us. The only thing we are allowed to carry is a certain amount of grams on you.

[rimpelcut]

you mean the very worst you can get?

[Kush P]

No thats like the most expensive one you can get. I hate buying the cheap ones, they put so much chemicals on it, gives me a headache and an ugly high

[rimpelcut]

yeah well I can't compare prices with the most expensive lol. the most expensive here is like 30 dollars for one gram. If you smoke it all at once you can pass out. Ow if you take 2 drags you can pass out to hehehe

[Kush P]

Oh my God...2 drags and out?? Thats some deadly herb! I really need to get my ass going there...Its probably worth it

[rimpelcut]

also I have smoked weed grown with coke and I bought average weed for 1 dollor per gram.

[Kush P]

ahhhh! thats insane dude...sooo cheap. Too much here, and all the money are going to stupid gangsters...

[rimpelcut]

you buy weed from gangstas? cool

[Kush P]

Well they're the only ones who got the guts to grow....it sucks it should be liek amsterdam lol

hey we request your presence at the FC loco....somebody wants to show you her picture or somethin lol

[rimpelcut]

ai ai captain

[Kush P]

Yo b, you don't mess with da loco ese :smoke LOL

Hey lets do some philosophy again man...What is Morality?

[rimpelcut]

I think there should be a seperation between beliefs and morality. morality is how you act depending on beliefs but this would just be lame. Your actions should depend on staying alife by following the rules of nature. as a matter afact that is one of those rules.

[Kush P]

Yea that usually a disaster if the belief isn't properly examined but applied to morality..I guess humans want more than just staying alive from nature lol..But how did we come up with morality though? Why is it important even?...Im thinking that it has something to do in our perspective of whats good and evil..

[rimpelcut]

morality happens when somebody says: "think of the children, for god sakes think of the children!" so you think about them and your like uhh whatever. But when people say think of the pain that they have. yes!. Then you think of the pain, pain is bad, that is bad> morality!
When you steel shit from a store you don't care until you experience anxiety and then you experience "the severity of stealing"(the consecuences). Others might see stealing bad because they "think of the poor children".
So it's not about just good/bad it's about good(good feeling and bad(bad feeling). If it were just good/bad you would think about if you might die and you would be extra smart in what you are doing. but the other has to do with not understanding feelings and your desire and attachment to good and bad feelings.

[Kush P]

Oh cool so it could be a lesson from a consequence to some, some people might take that as an example and follow, or some just are able to see ahead of their actions...Do you agree with Nietzsche though? He said morality are based on a person rather than society because a person might have a different aspect of morality from another. But then again, some people only knew their morals strictly from influence..

[rimpelcut]

everybody has a morality of their own. Thats because they have different knowledge that changes their morality but if you would take out everything that influenced you based on false perseptions of feelings and society then you would call it reason and not morality. Morality can be described as rules of behaving without real reason (this is because they don't know the truth of things).
I think it comes hand in hand with idealogy.

[Kush P]

Gotcha...I see your point..Thanks dude you just gave me good stuff to contribute tomorrow at school haha. Damn too tired to think now though...Well discuss some more tomorrow for sure

[rimpelcut]

you talk about this in school? what kind of education do you follow?

[Kush P]

Remember my first visit in this forum?? well that made me add a philosophy class in my schedule...I made it to college man LOL :cool..Besides I felt like I was already doing philosophy most of my life just by thinking about whats happening in my community so naturally I took the course..

[rimpelcut]

cool. I would own that class hehehe

[Kush P]

I would think so loco LOL...but talking to you, I could own that for the both of us man LOL.

[rimpelcut]

yes one for the team!

[Kush P]

Yo Vato Loco LOL! hey dude, more philosophy or what? Man the class is so basic that I don't even think about the questions they ask us, but can't complain or "The Man" will put me down....Anyways lend me your thoughts on "What is philosophy?" and "Why is it even important?"

[rimpelcut]

hehehe vatos locos. The term philosophy derives from a combination of the Greek words philos meaning love and sophia meaning wisdom. What philosophy is, or should be, is itself a philosophical question that philosophers have understood and treated differently through the ages.

I would say philosophy is thinking with logic. Everything is possible, the only things you use is facts but you do not neglect the origins of those facts. philosophy is about life the universe and everything.
When you have withnessed certain events over and over you might see similarities. philosophy is logically ordening those similarities to find a pattern. You can only find the pattern by looking at what forces make that pattern. Those forces could be the very core of life.
Pilosophy is the same as understanding the world as a child only now you reserve more time to think.

[The Bryman]

Damn! Loco i didnt know that you were so deep! i found a whole new respect for you.

philosophy? does it deal with truth or fact? because something that may be true to someone maybe false to someone else. :huh

[Kush P]

ahh so philosophy would be relevant because by questioning, pondering and eventually linking such patterns could lead us to a better understanding of how our lives work and its meaning, a question im sure everyone is searching for...Ok now since we believe philosophers treated philosophy differently, I think Its natural that we try to verify that idea by questioning it, in hopes that a new idea would come out in the sake of argument..loco buddy that means we're going to grill some people LOL..Teacher actually told me this dude, "picasshole, you're so romantic. But how about you find a way to disagree with people more"

Anyways Im sure you heard of Protagoran Relativism or somethin, "Whatever a person believes is true for that person, whatever I believe is true for me, whatever you believe is true for you". Like the water would be cold for you, but warm for me...But I wanted to argue that this theory cannot really be considered because there are things that are real for you or me, like we all know that the sun rises in the morning and it sets at night....Philosophize with me loco

[Kush P]

ooh shit mfu you here too?? ya dude me and loco always chill here, and im always trying to bullshit loco with my non-sense :wink

[The Bryman]

ooh shit mfu you here too?? ya dude me and loco always chill here, and im always trying to bullshit loco with my non-sense :wink

i had no idea that loco was that deep! i mean im used to him saying that he wants to eats babies, but then i venture into this thread and hes talking about philosophy! :wink

[Kush P]

Yup i know what you mean man, he's a man (?) of mystery...can't really label him or her for that matter lol

[The Bryman]

Heres a philosophical question for ya..........is loco a guy or girl? lol :laugh

[rimpelcut]

Damn! Loco i didnt know that you were so deep! i found a whole new respect for you.

philosophy? does it deal with truth or fact? because something that may be true to someone maybe false to someone else. :huh

you keep on questioning till you cannot question anymore. that is when you have found truth. it bases is truth but the outcome only comes close to truth depending on what your goal of understanding is ofcourse.
Some theories can be seen from a different point of view. For instance einsteins relative theory might seem to prove gravity but actually it only says that there is grafity because things attract eachother. There were simply a couple of different theories and he made a theory that glued them together. that is what made him famous. That is also why he spend the rest of his life trying to find a unifieng theory for everything in the universe. I foresee it will be like the yin yang theory.
I don't know about this progrona relativism.
What you believe is different from what others believe... that is true because you have a different perspective but you cannot say that a object is not the same object because another person sees it different. Therefore If you know where somebody is coming from and with what angle he is looking at the object you can have the same perspective or belief or truth. You cannot agree with someone unless you hold the same view. So while your belief is not the other still you can find eachothers beliefs and understand them.

[The Bryman]

what's the yin yang theory?

thats theres a little good in bad and vice versa? sorry not to good with this stuff.

[Kush P]

yea like that sort of..My idea is sort of like this, if the universe is in constant motion then it balances itself in a whole..

[The Bryman]

My philosiphy is to take thing as they come, not to deep but it works for me. I try not to think about the future or past, i just like about now and what my options are.

[rimpelcut]

in the now is where the ending of suffering lies. In suffering is the ending of suffering, the path to the ending of suffering and the cause of suffering.

I can post a ebook here that explains sort of what that yin yang is. The oregin of yin/yang symbol itself is another story. chinese people used to warm there bodys in the mountains by rotating their hips in a vertical plane. They didn't want to stop and go the opposite way to change their direction so they followed the direction until they went in the opposite direction. that is what the line in the middle of the symbol represents. I will post the ebook. I haven't read it completely but it's about nature.

[Kush P]

That's how I started...but then I figure out its cool to be a deep thinker and such, right loco? Cool dude I like those books....Yo man you didnt really answer my earlier question!! Foo!!

[rimpelcut]

I don't consider it deep thinking. Actually I never started to think about these things until I got here and read the questions and Those books I just found on bittorrent sites. But it's still interesting because there is allot I don't know. atleast I know what I don't know.
What question picca? I made a reply.

[Kush P]

My bad dude, didn't catch it :P ...Ya man I don't know this Protagora Relativism too. But I see you're point, its not all about disagreeing, what if you actually where most people are coming from? Then you would understand their views right...The teacher or "The Man" however keeps encouraging me to attack other's views..I think he's trying to tell me I need to defend my views all the time because there will always be someone who is your opposite maybe.

Anyways what do you think about that idea of some things are universal, like the sun will always rise tomorrow? We all can't really have a different opinion on that...but yea hook up the yin yang book man lol. Maybe that would help our conquest dude LOL. You go school too loco?

[rimpelcut]

I think the man wants you to try to find flaws in their thinking or find questions they might have missed to ask themselfs. He probable means that you agree to much instead of getting into their thought pattern and finding wrong thinking or things that might contradict their thinking.
What do you mean what do I think about the sun rising? it rises doesn't it?
As for the universe I have several philosophical statements. for instance: there is only something because something can't come out of nothing and something can't become nothing. Scientists say but it can! well I would find it unlogical. even if a partical dissapear it would either have to dissintigrate into space time or it might dissapear because there is another dimension that is a part of the partical, but it can't just dissapear.
So we exist because there can only be existence because there is existence.
For something to exist you have to have motion. That is also what the yin-yang symbol represents: motion infinitly.
I am in my final year of basic school. Something like highschool. I'm 17

[Kush P]

jeez dude at 17 which is last year lol, I was thinking of ways how to get money and girls...haha man I never knew that till couple of months ago..Anyways man Im going to think about how to reply to that later, too damn sleepy now gots a class in about 2 or 3 hours lol...peace man

[rimpelcut]

how did your class go?

[Kush P]

Pretty good man, well the philosophy one is today...I was just trying to get some ideas before hand.

I do believe there is another dimension though..I mean first we thought of a line, then 2d which is a square, then we were like wait it could be a cube or circle can be a sphere....but I think that sphere or cube can be seen differently on another perspective which we have yet to discover. Same can be said with our bodies if we break it down into smaller things...Its weird because in a different perspective we would just be minds floating around since our bodies are made of nothing more than particles and atoms wouldn't it?

[rimpelcut]

I just read something from mantak chia. he says that if you stop using vision and sound and only concentrate on your sex essence, like the thing you get orgasms from your hypothalimus and another thing that regulates your internal clock gets freed from the worlds rotation and begins to set it's own time. Then your vibrating sex essence will respond freely to changes in the universe and if you align yourself to the pole star whitch always is at one position you can see the motion of the whole universe around you. He also says that one can use this to see people around you without looking. You see infrared images to represent people. Mantak chia is a taoist that studies human biology now. Tho his theory seems very right it might very be hallucianation because he explains that having no sight and hearing changes your brains chemicals, first from a waken state to a dream state only still awake and then this chemical transforms into DMT whitch is the most trip drug there is. people talked with aliens when taking this hehehe

[rimpelcut]

Pretty good man, well the philosophy one is today...I was just trying to get some ideas before hand.

I do believe there is another dimension though..I mean first we thought of a line, then 2d which is a square, then we were like wait it could be a cube or circle can be a sphere....but I think that sphere or cube can be seen differently on another perspective which we have yet to discover. Same can be said with our bodies if we break it down into smaller things...Its weird because in a different perspective we would just be minds floating around since our bodies are made of nothing more than particles and atoms wouldn't it?

Never believe there are plenty of other variations.

[Kush P]

LOL ok I meant I do believe in the possibility not totally faithful on it..I can be wrong. Whats up btw?

[rimpelcut]

I'm watching smallvile and smoking.

[Kush P]

bahah do you know smallville is filmed in a school here in Vancity? Im close by there too....Yep I just blazed too.

So you pick the topic on what to philosophize on today loco...

[rimpelcut]

hmmm...what is laughing?

[Kush P]

Wow excellent one dude...I never really thought of it

I'd say its a reaction of a realization of something that can be humorous to one person..Again we all have different views on what funny is..Isnt it weird that a joke and morals work similarily though?

[rimpelcut]

so when you see something that gives permision to laugh you laugh...Therefore just like with morals you put a rule upon yourself not to laugh unless this and that happens...therefore you restrict yourself from laughing. So what is laughing?

[Kush P]

You have me stumped..I dont know what laughter is either. There's so much examples of laughter that I can find and tell you, but a definition is tough to come up with. Its hard to generalize something thats abstract and about everything. We can see laughter as the same concept as love or morality. Two different things but laughter can fall into that category...this is maybe why a philosopher loves a good joke now and then

[rimpelcut]

Ok I'll start with something. When you laugh the feeling in your face changes, this feeling is pleasureble. maybe you tell yourself that something is ok and therefore you make a good sensation?

[Kush P]

Yep true its sort of a positive sensation, excitement, hapiness or anything actually can make you laugh...but what if you're laughing at can be morally wrong to someone like lets say somebody knock a guy in the head which you might find funny but wrong for laughing at him? So it could look like you might find something wrong but you can still laugh...

[rimpelcut]

no, you find his behaviour funny but laughing now is not morally correct. So you make the choice not to laugh afterwards. If this happens often you might even not laugh at all because you think it is wrong to laugh thus changing your thinking that that something is funny. Which kinda is a contradiction because you found it funny and because of something else it isn't any more. what could this mean?

[Kush P]

I have no idea...maybe we have to go back to where does our concept of what is funny comes from.. Like why do we laugh when someone slips and fall down?? our natural reaction is laughing then feel sorry after...I mean who told us to laugh at that event in the first place

[rimpelcut]

I figured it out. humans are intelligent enough to reflect on their own experiences. Because of that they children learn when they are young to laugh at certain things. But exactly what that is in it's primal form eludes me. I keep thinking that animals don't laugh.

[Kush P]

True, our first idea of laughter might come from our own parents ideas of what it is..Maybe animals can laugh, I know for sure when dogs wag their tail and jumps around usually mean they are happy, but instead of laughing they move their tails. Yea so maybe its just our own parents that showed us laughter and smile, so we imitated them on how to react in certain ideas that are funny. But does that mean some people can react to funny things differently than laughing?

[rimpelcut]

yeah, not laughing.

[rimpelcut]

also the dog probable learned to get excited because he is bored all day. do dogs in nature do the same thing?

[Kush P]

I think so...Wild dogs and domestic dogs actually are very much alike. Do you also find sometimes that laughter seems contagious??

[rimpelcut]

no. but thats just me, I know it exists though.

[rimpelcut]

probable you get the thought back of laughing.

[Kush P]

This makes me wonder...Is there something common, a universal "joke" or something that people just cant resist laughing at?

[rimpelcut]

I don't think so...

[Kush P]

Then that shows how hard it is to be a stand up comedian. haha you must know society's values and exactly what their thinking about, finding something in their ideas to make them laugh...Technically they are no different from politicians...

[rimpelcut]

yeah I guess so. I can laugh at anything...if I concentrate enough on finding something to laugh at. I think I will try this. Try to find what laughing is.

[Kush P]

Yeah it so hard to define laughter for what it really is .. nobody even really thought of this, so maybe you would be the first to come up with a theory loco heh

[rimpelcut]

that would be nice

[Kush P]

Hey what the??? why did you change you're nickname...loco was cool!!!

[rimpelcut]

I'm the snack attack mothafucker!

[Medea]

The Buddha and Nietzsche together...

This is a first. XD

Actually, I can see it. Nietzsche was somewhat influenced by the Greek philosopher Heraclitus, and there are definitely some parallels between his beliefs and Eastern ones. I'm pretty sure that the necessity of change is a big part of Buddhism...

Still, those two definitely don't hold with pacifistic world views. smile-big

[Kush P]

I can see the parallel beliefs between Nietzsche and Buddhism. But what do you mean about necessity of change Cyhiraeth?

[Medea]

I can see the parallel beliefs between Nietzsche and Buddhism. But what do you mean about necessity of change Cyhiraeth?

Oh, hello. :)

Well, I'm comparing Buddhism to Heraclitus right now, so it's a bit different.

Heraclitus, however, said things like, "Just as the river where I step is not the same, and is, so I am as I am not." Basically, for something to have any sort of constancy, it must be always changing. If a river's waters were not ever flowing and being replaced, the river would cease to exist.

Nietzsche apparently accepted this also, since one of the qualities necessary for his Ubermensch (Overman) was an ability to constantly change and be reborn, in order to endure a world that was always changing.

In Buddhism, all phenomena are marked by three things: impermanence, suffering, and no self. As far as impermanence goes, wiki says:

All compounded phenomena (things and experiences) are inconstant, unsteady, and impermanent. (Practically) everything is made up of parts, and is dependent on the right conditions for its existence. Everything is in constant flux, and so conditions and the thing itself is constantly changing. Things are constantly coming into being, and ceasing to be. Nothing lasts.

The important point here is that phenomena arise and cease according to (complex) conditions and not according to our whims and fancy. While we have limited ability to effect change to our possessions and surroundings, experience tells us that our feeble attempts are no guarantee that the results of our efforts will be to our likings. More often than not, the results fall short of our expectations.

Of course, this does not extend to Nirvana... which may actually put more of a Platonic twist on things, since for Plato, the visible world was in a constant state of change, but the Forms behind it were static. But since I hate Plato, I won't get into that. :P

[Kush P]

Yea I get what you're saying..Plato thinks the forces that drives nature in general is static. But that couldn't be since everything else including our consciousness is in constant motion and always changing. Since our thoughts and ideas of things depend on the state of nature or the universe as we know it, its safe to say is also in motion..

I dont know much, but I notice that Nietzsche and Buddha are both promoting the "power of self" concept..Thats the parallel I noticed mostly

[rimpelcut]

I find nietsche kinda vague, I only understand him because of buddhas teachings

[Kush P]

Hmm same here...yo, how's your laughter theory coming along lol. One of my classmates is making one about that right now. "Is laughter immoral?'

[tu_sense]

In regards to Nietzche and Buddah, I don't see the similarity.

Granted, some of the concepts are similar, self and all that, but there are a lot of differences.

For one thing, Nietzche was very sexist. On top of this, it doesn't seem to me like anyone could possibly live up to his standards. He didn't seem to have much love of other people. In my mind, this is the antithesis of Buddah, who developed his ideas after seeing people suffering.

Also, Nietzche strikes me as a bitter and unempathetic man. He thought life was a wretched thing, almost a curse. He quoted the Greek story of Midas, who asked the gods what the best thing a man could wish for was. The god's reply was "to never be born, to never exist." This also, to me, seems to contradict a Buddah-type philosophy.

[rimpelcut]

Well since it's deep, you can see another meaning behind it which is exaclty that of buddha

Hmm same here...yo, how's your laughter theory coming along lol. One of my classmates is making one about that right now. "Is laughter immoral?'
no I didn't think about it yet. Thats for reminding me:laugh

[tu_sense]

Well since it's deep, you can see another meaning behind it which is exaclty that of buddha

I'm not sure what you mean. Even if you look deeper into Nietzche's philosophy, I don't see any connection to Buddah. It was all about the "herd mentality" and "herd religion" and such like.

[rimpelcut]

Well it was only a part of a book. I read quotations just now and they were lame.

[tu_sense]

Oh I see...

[Medea]

Well it was only a part of a book. I read quotations just now and they were lame.

Lame? That's got to be the strangest excuse I've ever heard for not liking Nietzsche.

I've been inspired to put more of an effort into reading him, actually. I like his take on epistemology: basically, who cares? Why is truth so commonly sought when even if it could be found, one still is forced to live in the sensory world, whether it is real or a lie. I suppose those trying to disprove the external world he would classify along with most religions as nihilistic. :nod

He quoted the Greek story of Midas, who asked the gods what the best thing a man could wish for was. The god's reply was "to never be born, to never exist." This also, to me, seems to contradict a Buddah-type philosophy.

Where did you read this? Are you sure he was agreeing with this conclusion? Everything I've read thus far has been clearly pro-existence. Though, I really wouldn't be surprised to find another level beneath that, considering with whom we're dealing.

[tu_sense]

Where did you read this? Are you sure he was agreeing with this conclusion? Everything I've read thus far has been clearly pro-existence. Though, I really wouldn't be surprised to find another level beneath that, considering with whom we're dealing.

It's part of a passage in "The Birth of Tragedy." And yes, I'm fairly certain he was agreeing.

I think what he was saying is that it would be better overall to have never existed rather than to have been born. Life is a constant struggle rather than a gift or blessing or miracle.

However, in "Beyond Good and Evil" he talks a lot about how everything productive and good that has come from the human race came from struggle. So think what you will. He likes to play with contradictions and shades of meaning.

[rimpelcut]

yeah the quotations I read seemed also negative towards man.
"In heaven all the interesting people are missing. " Now did he mean that good people are boring or was it part o some bigger thought with which I would agree on. Maybe he meant that bad things are interesting. Maybe he meant that people usually find bad people interesting.
Anyway quotations like these:
One must have a good memory to be able to keep the promises one makes.
Talking much about oneself can also be a means to conceal oneself.

are lame

[Kush P]

True Nietzsche philosophy is somewhat depressing..it tells me that its so hard to be accepted for who you are and for people to accept your truth. That's why life is such a struggle according to him..

Although I agree on his take on love though, I like it. Even if he doesn't believe in miracles and blessings..It makes me dream lol! Well if its that hard to be accepted then of course finding someone that would love you unconditionnaly is very rare, precious and the probable odds of that is indeed on a miracle level LOL!! Thats why I consider it a blessing, that there are some women that loves me genuinely

[tu_sense]

yeah the quotations I read seemed also negative towards man.
"In heaven all the interesting people are missing. " Now did he mean that good people are boring or was it part o some bigger thought with which I would agree on. Maybe he meant that bad things are interesting. Maybe he meant that people usually find bad people interesting.


From what I know about his philosophy, I would think that it's just him taking another stab at Christianity. He really hated the Christian religion and called it the "herd religion."

That in mind, I would take this to mean that he thinks the Christian standard of "good" is boring and that the people who are considered by Christianity to be "good" are actually dull and boring and don't think for themselves. He would see a saint as a someone who is just following the "herd religion."

[rimpelcut]

Well isn't that so?

[tu_sense]

That depends on what your view on Christianity is. I'm not going to start a war here by saying whether I agree or not.

[rimpelcut]

well what do you think