Episode 60 Discussion (Sub Out- Dattebayo) [Archive]

Duttyman Momochi

12-06-2005, 01:18 PM

Episode 60 Sub by Dattebayo Direct-Download (thanks to BleachTV)
>> http://www.bleachtv.com/media.html

For anime only watchers i strongly highlyy advise to not touch the discussion thread until u have watched it.. this time its essential

mods edit as u see fit

ANIME ONLY WATCHERS!!!

I strongly advise that you wait for Dattebayo's release before downloading the raw - this is quite an important episode and it should be enjoyed with a full understanding of what's going on.

Just a suggestion. - TenshiOni

Bronwen

12-06-2005, 01:38 PM

:spaz, Wonder which anime watcher was right?

Oskar von Reuental

12-06-2005, 01:45 PM

Raw is out - http://bt.saiyaman.info/

ShuiMei

12-06-2005, 02:24 PM

Ah, it's finally here.
How long I've waited :D

Moridin

12-06-2005, 02:29 PM

waahoooo raw release

I'm going to sound preachy here but...

if you don't understand japanese but sometimes watch the raw out of curiosity...don't.

also if any manga reader spoils anything I'll make it a personal mission to kick their ass :P

Feathers!

12-06-2005, 02:40 PM

Anyone else get that Version 2 Dattebayo sub... its so irritating it hurts.

Moridin

12-06-2005, 03:15 PM

hehe you d/l that? I knew there was no bleach last week so didn;t d/l and once I heard what it was didn;t want to.

Yamato

12-06-2005, 03:21 PM

Hitsugaya's bankai...

WTF IS THIS SHIT?

This is a Bankai? His Shikai looked like it was 20x times
stronger! This is the ultimate technique of a soul cutter? This a fu***** pokemon! They maked lil Hitsu a Pokemon, now Aizen gonna pull out a pokeball and catch him. They maked such a marvelous thing like ice Bankai looked like it is retarded!!! Were is this fealling of overflowing power (see the manga drawing). This a fu***** stupid joke!!!

Moridin

12-06-2005, 03:53 PM

edit: ty for the edit Raikou

Corum

12-06-2005, 03:56 PM

If you haven't noticed, Bleach 60 RAW.

http://bt.saiyaman.info/

Corum

GSurge

12-06-2005, 04:00 PM

Don't watch the RAW if you haven't read the manga. :)

OmniStrife

12-06-2005, 04:09 PM

ANIME PPL DON'T JUST DON'T WATCH THE RAW!!

Yamato

12-06-2005, 04:17 PM

ANIME PPL DON'T JUST DON'T WATCH THE RAW!!!
It's much easier to decide if this a good idea to watch it, after actually watching it. The best way would be to switch off your network communication for ~1 day beacuse before a translation will appear you WILL GET SPOILED!

Potentialflip

12-06-2005, 04:42 PM

I just realized this ate up the most chapters besides the double-episode show a while back for a single 23-24 minute show. And yes, to all anime-only viewers. Keep away from the Raw and Screencaps unless you want to get spoiled. Hopefully the fansub will be out in the next 24 hours.

TenshiOni

12-06-2005, 05:04 PM

To raw watchers:

To what chapter did this this end on? 172?

Tsukiyomi

12-06-2005, 05:20 PM

How many chapters did this go through? I defy anyone to tell me bleach isn't going to need like 2 years of filler after this.

GSurge

12-06-2005, 05:22 PM

It covers all of 168, 169, 170, and 171. But not exactly in that order.

Potentialflip

12-06-2005, 05:23 PM

To those who wanted to know how many chapters. The end of 167 all the way to 171. Next episode should start with 172.

Tsukiyomi

12-06-2005, 05:25 PM

Ha ha, there is no way in hell this is going to last a that rate, the arc after SS is still in its very early stages in the manga.

TenshiOni

12-06-2005, 05:26 PM

How many chapters did this go through? I defy anyone to tell me bleach isn't going to need like 2 years of filler after this.

Yeah, but I think, fortunately for Bleach, they might stop after this arc and continue with OVAs. =/

TVTOKYO still says 70 episodes are planned for production and that hasn't changed for a few months now...

Kent

12-06-2005, 05:35 PM

Yeah, but I think, fortunately for Bleach, they might stop after this arc and continue with OVAs. =/
The most probably (and one of the best) thing to happen, of all suggestions I've heard about this "filler problemo". :)
It does make me a little sad though :sad

On topic..This episode was blooody I love it :amuse

Nihonjin

12-06-2005, 05:57 PM

This episode is beyond words.......I can't describe it...I wanna cry, I wanna laugh..I wanna die (because I have to wait a week again)...but I think I'll just rewatch it again......yeah thats what I'll do.

*slowly clicks bleach folder*
*Rewatches episode in total shock*

GradeSchoolNinja

12-06-2005, 06:00 PM

Wow...that episode was amazing. One of THE best, in my opinion...we've been spoiled these past few weeks.

Did anyone else not realize that Hitsugaya's Bankai game him wings and a tail? It looked like it was all attatched to the sword in the manga...but this was a LOT cooler.

I can't wait 'till this gets subbed. I just can't.

Ssj3_Goku

12-06-2005, 06:03 PM

if this anime ends completly after this arc... alot of people will be pissed. because it does not explain why ichigo has a part hollow in him. etc.

Moridin

12-06-2005, 06:19 PM

hehe we're on our way to fillers methinks. I doubt they'll end the series here. That'd require plot butchering, I don't see them taking bleach off for a season either, its not been that long since it moved to a prime time slot.

oh noes i've gone all off topic :P

DON'T WATCH THE RAW IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, WAIT FOR A SUB

Nihonjin

12-06-2005, 07:07 PM

After watching this episode 6 times and finally accepting what actually happend...its EVEN COOLER! omfg O_O

Hurray for the best anime in the world, hip hip!

IronFist Alchemist

12-06-2005, 08:04 PM

To those who wanted to know how many chapters. The end of 167 all the way to 171. Next episode should start with 172.

4 chapters in 1 episode?:blink

Get ready for 2 years of filler!:amuse

Sogetsu.

12-06-2005, 09:49 PM

After watching this episode 6 times and finally accepting what actually happend...its EVEN COOLER! omfg O_O

Hurray for the best anime in the world, hip hip!

rofl it's so fun watching at the shockness of the anime people

IronFist Alchemist

12-06-2005, 09:52 PM

A bit of censorship and filler in this episode...I'll get into it once a sub is out.

An excellent ending...especially to the anime watchers who must be goin crazy, lol :D

Tsukiyomi

12-06-2005, 10:00 PM

Wow, what was up with Hitsugaya's Ban Kai, that looks more like a Shikai than a Ban Kai. Unless it has some major special abilities it doesn't look too impressive at all.

Dimezanime20

12-06-2005, 10:09 PM

Oh YES! As a manga reader, Im soo freaking glad that you guys finally found out about this! Yea, wasn't this shit a fucker?!!

superman_1

12-06-2005, 10:35 PM

Wow, what was up with Hitsugaya's Ban Kai, that looks more like a Shikai than a Ban Kai. Unless it has some major special abilities it doesn't look too impressive at all.

the anime messed up on the art part...the art in manga looks wicked and more detailed and much better even though its black and white since its manga... i was dissapointed with the art or drawing of hitsu's bankai ...looked cheap ...looked much better in manga.......

since i m manga reader...i already knew wat happened... was waiting for this eps... and happy with this episode overall... most of the stuff was done well except for few changes here and there...

Tsukiyomi

12-06-2005, 11:16 PM

the anime messed up on the art part...the art in manga looks wicked and more detailed and much better even though its black and white since its manga... i was dissapointed with the art or drawing of hitsu's bankai ...looked cheap ...looked much better in manga.......

since i m manga reader...i already knew wat happened... was waiting for this eps... and happy with this episode overall... most of the stuff was done well except for few changes here and there...

I know, I read the manga, and I was horrified when I saw this. His Ban Kai should have consumed the entire environment.

icy_tony

12-06-2005, 11:24 PM

the ep was good, but they covering tooo much ground and catchin up wif the manga waaayyyyy toooo fast, if they make fillers(which they will have to) they should explain the lifes of urahara and yourchi. that would be really good for a filler arc.

superman_1

12-06-2005, 11:25 PM

I know, I read the manga, and I was horrified when I saw this. His Ban Kai should have consumed the entire environment.

yeah i know...his bankai looked much better in manga... anime just ruined it... disappointing... lately anime hasn't impressed me lately esp. the ichigo and byakuya fight and also other fights...the lack of good action music and stuff made the fights dull and boring and lack excitement.... but i dont wanna go into that since this is episode 60 discussion thread...oh well atleast we get to see aizen back in the anime now... completely owned hitsu...

DrunkenYoshimaster

12-06-2005, 11:41 PM

I know, I read the manga, and I was horrified when I saw this. His Ban Kai should have consumed the entire environment.

doesnt it? it looks like he had huge walls of ice that shattered with his bankai at least in the manga. But if you got a full scale view I think itd look pretty big. and I dont know how far back they stretched, but we only got a brief look at it

Negative-Ion

12-07-2005, 12:01 AM

Aizen is one bad mofo and was that Ichigo's sword at the end of the episode? ooh Ichigo going at Aizen, wait till you see this.

Watch it - sub's not out yet. -- TO

GaryDAI

12-07-2005, 12:59 AM

If you look a couple frames before that preview though, you see ichigo on the ground lol. Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me

narutosimpson

12-07-2005, 01:17 AM

that was a bad ass episode, whoa!!! I couldn't believe that :D (get's people anxious for the bleach fix ;))

narutosimpson

12-07-2005, 01:19 AM

i don't read the manga, but ibet it looks better cause B&W looks better and more serious

Unknown1

12-07-2005, 02:41 AM

DB's sub is out!

http://yhbt.mine.nu/t/

The Mist

12-07-2005, 03:36 AM

Nice episode.

kenshin420

12-07-2005, 03:42 AM

boooyaaaaaaaaah DB style babby

kataimiko

12-07-2005, 04:47 AM

amazing episode! I'm glad that I just stick with watching the anime and not reading the manga.

It gives me something to look forward to every week. :amuse But if Bleach takes the same route as Naruto, and has a season full of fillers, than I think I will start reading the manga as well.

Manetheren

12-07-2005, 05:30 AM

Incredible job of the episode.

Spoilers for Ep 60.

Its interesting that they actually expanded on Hitsugaya's Bankai a bit. I never picked up on him actually gaining the Dragon wings and Tail when I first saw it in the manga, though when I saw the Opening for this season and they spoiled it, I noticed it and checked again.

They also had Unohana show up a bit sooner in the anime, so she actually was shown to have watched Hitsugaya's "fight" (ok... so maybe Hitsugaya getting owned is a bit better way of putting it.)

They BLAZED through the chapters with this one though. I honestly expected that they would end the episode with Hitsugaya's Bankai appearing.

Also... I loved the music choice for Hinamori's reunion with Aizen... It made it seem like such a happy moment... It made it all the more of a stunner when he gutted her. :D:D

Also loved the letterboxing they did there. Nice stylistic touch for the scene.

arcticphoenix16

12-07-2005, 06:02 AM

man... when i saw hitsugaya's bankai, i was like "haha you're gonna get it, Aizen". Then 5 seconds later... HOLY SH*T WTFBBQ PWNED!!!

Nihonjin

12-07-2005, 06:12 AM

Ehm what the hell is wrong with Tousen....I mean, for crying out loud, they guy hates fighting and wants to rid the world of evil -.-....yet he's one of Aizens puppets............also, how did Unahana come to realise that O_o??

Duttyman Momochi

12-07-2005, 07:05 AM

AAhhhh yes finally the truth has been revealed

Bet u nobody saw this coming..

Loved the episode they kept hitsu's ownage by aizen intact.. i thought maybe theyy would stretch it alittle but they kept everything as it should have been.. Hitsu's bankai looked small but that is because in the manga we didnt have side views etc.. the original release of it made it look like it did in the manga... only thing in the manga u couldnt see it properly..

As far as Unohana figuring it out.. remember her vice said u let all of us "see" it..

Sagaki

12-07-2005, 07:06 AM

Great episode.

I love the way they pulled this episode off, a bit different from the manga but very well done. Don't ask why Kaname is randomly evil, everyone who reads the manga is pondering the same thing. We'll just have to find out when we find out. Taking a while guess, I'm assuming he held back some information when we watched his brief past while fighting Kenpachi.

FYI, even if you read the manga, you'll still find yourself hooked on and looking forward to the next episode. :)

Shariyakugan

12-07-2005, 07:24 AM

Uber evilness in this episode.
No other way to describe it.

Ichigo-Skippy

12-07-2005, 07:35 AM

Pretty wicked episode

Moridin

12-07-2005, 07:41 AM

muwahahahahaha what an ep

I thought the did this pretty well, the Aizen revelation was handled nicely and Hitsugaya's ban kai actually looked pretty good. Matsumoto v Kira was cool, or at least the part we see/saw.As for Tousen being bad we do get a very small amount of further explanation later on but it would seem likely that Aizen just played to his beliefs in justice and convinced him that whatever he is doing is better than what is currently going on

Nihonjin

12-07-2005, 07:54 AM

As far as Unohana figuring it out.. remember her vice said u let all of us "see" it..

I was talking about her finding out Tousen was evil...or did Aizen just randomly bring that up? Because as far as I remember he didn't do anything evil infront of Unahana.....

Moridin

12-07-2005, 08:07 AM

I was talking about her finding out Tousen was evil...or did Aizen just randomly bring that up? Because as far as I remember he didn't do anything evil infront of Unahana.....

she realised that if his hypnosis technique required his release to be seen then Tousen would not have been affected and as he hadn;t said anything therefore must have been working alongside Aizen

Nihonjin

12-07-2005, 08:20 AM

Omg I'm hella slow :p
Thnx for telling meh ^^

9-e10do

12-07-2005, 08:24 AM

OMFG,, i cant belive it,, i cant fucking belive it.

Sesqoo

12-07-2005, 08:26 AM

OMFG CAN IT BE?? I thought it was KON!? Damn Im surprised
ok Im not I saw it in the manga like 1 month before:P

NICE EPISODE

isanon

12-07-2005, 09:36 AM

http://tinypic.com/ibic1h.jpg

yeai think it looked better in the manga to but it did have tail and wings its just a bit hart to se if you dont know what you are looking at :)

Raiza

12-07-2005, 09:41 AM

Thanx for showing me the manga of his Bankai, now I know it looked better in the anime. Just adding the colors showed the sweetness of the Bankai.

But that episode was real good.

Shishou

12-07-2005, 09:45 AM

She figured out Tousan was with Aizen, because Tousan and Komo came and talked to her when she was inspecting Aizen's "fake" body.

And since Tousan is blind, he wouldn't have been affected, and he would know Aizen was really there...

I think Tousan was only recruited, because he could see through Aizen's deception of everyone. Cause Tousan is hella weak getting owned by Kenpachi so easily.

TGC

12-07-2005, 10:55 AM

Damn so muchh is revealed Hits bankai, Aizen and his Genjutsu zanpakatuo, Tousen the traitor, Kira the dumbass who tried to fight Matsumoto when her sword disperses into the air lol...but the most important one AIZEN IS ALIVE!!i knew it:D...Wonder what he wants with Rukia though.

Yamato

12-07-2005, 11:16 AM

Tousen is nothing. He was owned by Kenpachi with an eyepatch...

Tsukiyomi

12-07-2005, 11:49 AM

http://tinypic.com/ibic1h.jpg

yeai think it looked better in the manga to but it did have tail and wings its just a bit hart to se if you dont know what you are looking at :)

Is "Great RED Ice Ring" an accurate translation? I always wondered that since we always see it in blue.

IronFist Alchemist

12-07-2005, 12:12 PM

I always thought it would be red cuz of the translation.

Nekomimi

12-07-2005, 12:29 PM

Well this is a discussion thread and the eps been out for abit so I dont think spoiler tags are needed anymore...

This was a pretty good episode even considering I knew what was gonna happen keke...I still think hitsu's Bankai was lovelier in the manga, but it still looked pretty nice in the anime. Its so sad to see such a beautiful bankai get wasted in all of 5 seconds sigh...Aizen...damn you and your Hax0r shikai xD.

And poor hinamori...They handled that whole scene incredibly well...They really did a great job in general of showing how much of a true bastard Aizen is. :laugh

me_is_david

12-07-2005, 12:40 PM

nice episode... aside from the fact that some parts were rushed like crazy
WTF?

The Matsumoto vs Kira fight was like 30 seconds, all that explaining and the gasping like "WTF" when they talked in the manga was like taken out lol and that part just seemed straight up rushed. The whole thing with Matsumoto v Kira was rushed IMO

And Histugaya's Bankai... WTF the most unsuspenseful Bankai ever. It took like 2 seconds to release, they could've at least shown the ice forming and stuff but it was like 1 second nothing next second ice all over.
His Bankai is badass but the animation IMO was not well done.

Other than that, there you go anime watchers so now I don't think we have to be careful about the word Aizen no more.

You would think Tousen is nothing =P, people don't give him enough credit just cuz Kenpachi beat him lol.
He isn't THAT bad, he could probably beat most people IMO. But everyone seems to believe he is useless lol, which he might be but hey its all dependent on the situation =P
You could say Histugaya is weak as shit because Aizen owned him with a normal sword =P and in 2 seconds.

Anyway, after watching it again, the manga explained some stuff better. Although the anime explains it also, I would think you would need to watch it over again to actually take it all in and realize it.

Other than Histugaya's Bankai and the Rangiku v Izuru fight, this episode was amazing. Although I knew what was gonna happen I was still like :amazed "oh shit"

Also did anyone notice in DB's sub in the OP where Ichigo and Byakuya start fighting it says "Special Thanks: narutosimpson"
I find that kinda weird and funny lol I wonder why they put it up there

bluewolf

12-07-2005, 01:09 PM

I think people look down on tousen not because he lost to kenpachi but because he lost to kenpachi with his eyepatch on. he had to pull of his eye patch even against ichigo with no bankai... then again that battle is turning out to have been nothing more than glorifying ichigo than a true measure of eather ichigo or kenpachi's power.

come to think of it. most of the SPECTACULAR shit ichigo has done cannot really be balanced in with the rest of the story.. i mean. Ichi was able to stop the big pheonix blade when it was going to kill Rukia (forget its name) it was supposed to be SO incredibly powerful like 10 million soul slayers and could be used to destroy soul society. but ichigo blocked it like a pimp. so does that mean that every one else that yamamato, byakuya, aizen and pretty much every one else at ichigos level are so powerfull that they could back hand the pheonix and one shot all of soul society?

just makes you wonder about their ranking system in this show.

Moiraine

12-07-2005, 01:17 PM

Yeah, the kanji for Hitsu's bankai does say 'Great Crimson Lotus, Frozen Ring'. Don't ask me why crimson. I thought it was weird too.

chaosas

12-07-2005, 01:37 PM

What an awsome episode :) Everything's so twisted. Kira is evil now, Gin is definetly evil, Aizen returned and he's the most evil :blink So it's like, they killed all judges of Central 46 where orders were coming from, so they ordered to kill Rukia earlier and use Soukyoku?
Hitsugaya's bankai is beautiful, but it got pwned in 3 seconds, with Aizen's shikai, he's uber :blink I wonder if he's dead.
And of course what Aizen is up to and why the heck he needs Rukia for?
Also what could be his bankai :huh

Oh and that 1st captain - old man - he's stupid, he failed to notice what was happening under his nose and even fought the wrong guys (I still wonder what those 2 are up to, but they don't seem together with Gin. Ukitake and drunk guy I mean).
Their blades are really beautiful, hope to see them a little in their fight with 1st captain.

Vandire

12-07-2005, 01:49 PM

Also did anyone notice in DB's sub in the OP where Ichigo and Byakuya start fighting it says "Special Thanks: narutosimpson"
I find that kinda weird and funny lol I wonder why they put it up there

Im not 100% sure, but I seem to recall someone from DB arguing with him over some joke they put into an intro, which was eventually locked after the arguments turning into along the lines of "you're sick making such insensitive jokes" and "no, you're sick having a sig that seems to endorse pedophilia". Then there was some guy who randomly made 2 spoof accounts called "jew" and "nigger" apparantly just to aggravate the situation.

I wasnt really paying attention when I looked at the thread, so I may have it mixed up, (im not even sure it was narutosimpson the guy was arguing with, though it sounds about right) but thats about how I remember it going.

Honda-Tohru

12-07-2005, 02:02 PM

Silver2086

12-07-2005, 02:11 PM

Damn dam digity dam. Wow. The episode caught me off guard but I saw some things seconds before it happened. They better not put fillers anythime soon.

Tsukiyomi

12-07-2005, 02:18 PM

Oh and that 1st captain - old man - he's stupid, he failed to notice what was happening under his nose and even fought the wrong guys (I still wonder what those 2 are up to, but they don't seem together with Gin. Ukitake and drunk guy I mean).
Their blades are really beautiful, hope to see them a little in their fight with 1st captain.

How is Yamamoto stupid? Even he isn't allowed inside the 46 without permission, so he couldn't go in to investigate. Even if he did all he would have seen is whatever Aizen wanted him to see?

Also you need to remember this is all happening in at most a few weeks. That would be like Bush being replaced by a clone, giving a few out of character orders for a few weeks then him revealing to us he was a clone and people saying "Americans were so stupid, they couldnt' figure out he was a clone just because they don't see him often and he looked, felt, smelled and sounded exactly like the real Bush".

chaosas

12-07-2005, 02:32 PM

ShadelessNyght

12-07-2005, 02:33 PM

How is Yamamoto stupid? Even he isn't allowed inside the 46 without permission, so he couldn't go in to investigate. Even if he did all he would have seen is whatever Aizen wanted him to see?

Also you need to remember this is all happening in at most a few weeks. That would be like Bush being replaced by a clone, giving a few out of character orders for a few weeks then him revealing to us he was a clone and people saying "Americans were so stupid, they couldnt' figure out he was a clone just because they don't see him often and he looked, felt, smelled and sounded exactly like the real Bush".

Agreed, And it isn't like Aizen just decided recently that he felt like being evil. He has been planning this for years among years, and even now his true plans have yet to be given. Yamamoto is more or less the voice of the Council, he tells everyone what they say and follows their direct orders, and make sure everyone else does as well. He was busy with the fake order that apparently Aizen staged to kill Rukia, and is now busy with who is believes are going against him and the Council more then likely as Aizen planned from the very begining. His job as the First Captin is not to question what the Council says, it is to follow it and make sure others do. Knowing this, that is what makes him the first.

Right now about the only ones who can really touch Aizen are Ichigo and the others other then Rukia. And even then once Aizen releases his Shikai or Bankai, I forget which version, he controls the strings yet again. Bleach is definatly doing one hell of a good job with plot twists...But seeing as how the manga is still going on doesn't it seem like Bleach within itself could more or less end and complete itself once they save Rukia? Or am I the only one that thinks that.

Pipboy

12-07-2005, 02:45 PM

HItsugaya's Ban Release is named for the layer of the buddist hell in which it is so cold that the skin ruptures and the blood of the sinner is frozen in the shape of a lotus blossom. Hence the bad translation.

I mulled over it alot and the best translation I could come up with, Was Stygian Ice Ring. It carries as much of the implications of hell from culture to culture. I also toyed with Stygius Sangiunus. Which though it doesn't sound right, means bloody frozen hell. Which is about as close as you can get.

Tsukiyomi

12-07-2005, 03:13 PM

He didn't find orders to execute Rukia suspicious, he followed them blindly and refused to see anything but that "justice", he even fought his subordinates for that.

Suspicious? Why would they be suspicious? Maybe he thought the council wanted to set a harsh example.

Look at it this way, after THOUSANDS of years of obeying their orders without question, why would he suddenly question an order that while it may be strange, is well within their power to give. They could order the execution of anyone for any crime if they want to.

Even if he did question it, that doesn't mean he can disobey it. Look at Hitsugaya, he knew something was weird when the council guard was gone, but he still asked permission to enter.

Also, as I said earlier, for all we know he COULD have gone in and questioned the councils orders. I seem to recall Byakuya going to the council on Rukia's behalf, but what would he have seen? He would have seen the council alive and well giving him the order to execute Rukia.

What exactly do you expect Yamamoto to do when he is staring right at the council and given the order to exectute her? What do you expect him to do?

blazingshadow

12-07-2005, 03:18 PM

didn't it seem that hitsu could fly with his bankai? the wings actually moved when he tried to freeze aizen. also it's cool to see the dragon's head in hitsu's hand.

me_is_david

12-07-2005, 03:26 PM

yeah i know they were argueing about it and all that but I found it weird how they put special thanks lol since they were argueing and such =P

chaosas

12-07-2005, 03:40 PM

Nekomimi

12-07-2005, 04:18 PM

Thanks for the info about the translation Pipboy. :amuse

As for the whole yamamoto being dumb? EH? Hes more or less an instrument of the central 48. He for better or worse has put his faith in there wisdom and carries out their orders without question. Thats his way and thats all there is to it. Unfrotunatly aizen knew that and knew how he could exploit this to his advantage. And like others said even if he DID go to the central 48 he would have seen them alive and well because Aizens freaking shikai is cheaper then cheap xD.

So I dont really see how anyone could have predicted this let alone been able to counter it...Aizen obviously put alot of thought and planning into this, to ensure its success.

Oh and I thought the execution ceremony was carried out for ALL shingamis not just the most powerful ones...I could be wrong about that though since im sure the frequency that they have executions is extremely rare.

Near

12-07-2005, 04:19 PM

Spartan_24

12-07-2005, 04:26 PM

the episode was good but i was dissapointed when Hitsugaya got his ass kicked in seconds, i guess aizen is really strong, i wonder if were going to see kenpachi fighting one of those captains bc obviously ichigo is going to fight aizen bc in the previews we see a black sword about to strike aizen and the only one that has a black sword is ichigo, also I wonder who Renji is going to fight?

Tsukiyomi

12-07-2005, 04:29 PM

He would find them suspicious because Rukia did a minor crime (well, maybe not so minor - I'm not very familiar with this) and she got a death penatly.
But what;s most important, she had to be executed using the Soukyoku (sry for wrong spelling) and that thing was only used to execute biggest criminals and shinigamis of highest rank which Rukia wasn't.

I'll say it again, after thousands of years of obeying their commands without question, why would he question them now, and for something so trivial?

Once again, its well within their power to make that decision. Its like a king ordering a pickpocket to be guillotined. Its weird and a bit extreme, but its within his power to do so and it will be done.

And since Aizen could have produced the imagery of the 46th committee, Yamamoto would have been staring right at them when he got the order. Its like standing right in front of the king when you get the order.

traquenard

12-07-2005, 04:31 PM

Awesome. This one I actually liked very much.

Aizen is the shit. "Dont use such strong words, you''ll be seen as weak" Is the second best quote in Bleach. nevermind the ass whoopin that comes with it.

Yep.

Aizen with all that shit goes in my top ten vilains by now.... :evil
... but i am waiting about further informations about ??WHY?? is doing all this...

i can change my mind anytime soon... but it a VERY GOOD start for him.
''Go Aizen Go'' ''Die Ichigo Die:P

skmt999

12-07-2005, 04:36 PM

Yaaaaaayyy!!!! Finally!!! w00t!!!! AizenAizenAizenAizen!!!! http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/skmt-giffies/Bleach/HinaAi1.gif :love

Poor Hinamori. (Gods, can't wait for the next few episodes to see the rest of the Ebilness.)

TenshiOni

12-07-2005, 05:02 PM

This episode was, in my opinion, insanely well done. Even as a huge Hitsu fan, I wasn't THAT dissapointed with the Bankai, though as with everyone else, I felt it was rushed....but then again, it was actually longer than the manga; manga was only 3 pages.

Well, the cat's out've the bag now, and now Utz and all the Bleach-crazy smods no longer have to watch this place like a hawk for Aizen spoilers. :occa

Potentialflip

12-07-2005, 05:09 PM

I'll say it again, after thousands of years of obeying their commands without question, why would he question them now, and for something so trivial?

Once again, its well within their power to make that decision. Its like a king ordering a pickpocket to be guillotined. Its weird and a bit extreme, but its within his power to do so and it will be done.

And since Aizen could have produced the imagery of the 46th committee, Yamamoto would have been staring right at them when he got the order. Its like standing right in front of the king when you get the order.

Just to add on to Tsukiyomi's explanation on why Yamamoto is not dumb despite the fact two of his captains (Hitsuguya/Unohana) found it suspiscious but not him. There is nothing suspiscious about Rukia getting the death penalty. It is one of the highest crimes to give your powers to that of a "normal human" no matter the circumstances. Remember Hitsuguya's explanation of the Center 46. Their decision is final and NO CAPTAIN can OBJECT to their ruling. Meaning once it was done they have to carry out that ruling. Hope I helped with the explanation.

Alright I'm done.

narutosimpson

12-07-2005, 05:14 PM

Fenix

12-07-2005, 05:20 PM

Well I personally thought Aizen not being dead was pretty obvious...and I'm an anime watcher only

Badass episode yo, too bad Hits got owned, but physical power can't fight hypnosis I guess =\

Old man Yama is an idiot. I dont care what you guys argue about all these "he's obeyed laws for 1000 years" and "he puts his faith" etc etc. He's either gotten too old or he just doenst have the wisdom that most old people have, aka: he's dumb.

narutosimpson

12-07-2005, 05:26 PM

I thought aizen was a throwaway character, plain looking and average power so they killed him first :S that's why i thought he really was dead

skmt999

12-07-2005, 05:33 PM

I didn't think he was plain looking..... :blink

But then, I have a weak spot for geeks in glasses. Yasashiii..... *sigh* :love

Utz

12-07-2005, 05:39 PM

Tenshi's right, I can breathe now that this Episode is out :amuse hehe.

Glad to see it nicely done, good animation and all, and great to have the whole mystery revealed.

Tsukiyomi

12-07-2005, 05:41 PM

Old man Yama is an idiot. I dont care what you guys argue about all these "he's obeyed laws for 1000 years" and "he puts his faith" etc etc. He's either gotten too old or he just doenst have the wisdom that most old people have, aka: he's dumb.

Dumb for what? I still don't understand what exactly it is you guys think he should have done. No one who went into that room would have seen anything other than the 46 council giving orders. Aside from Rukia all their other orders were normal.

As I said earlier, captains are not even allowed into the council room without permission, let alone can they disobey orders.

P-Nut

12-07-2005, 05:48 PM

damnit I hoped gin would turn out to be a good guy :( aizen looks more evil now :) eventhough he always looked so friendly :D

jonat3

12-07-2005, 05:53 PM

I don't think Yama is dumb. I think he got so used to carrying out cruel orders (like wiping out the quincy's or destroying the mod souls), that he didn't even bother to question the order to execute rukia.

SicDeusVult

12-07-2005, 05:54 PM

Since some of my friends and I are in college and we can't get past our university's firewall to use a torrent, would it be possible for anyone to post a direct download link somewhere? It would be most appreciated! Thanks!

That, or could you PM me a link? :)

Moridin

12-07-2005, 05:58 PM

basically hitsu seems to become part of/an ice dragon, he gets ice wings, an ice tail, ice claws and a dragons head.

Ok so hands up who thought that Gin was being made out to be too evil to actually be evil in the end. I always thought that was a stroke of genius, to make him look like the most evil character in the series, almost so evil that you thought he was bound to turn out good and then have him end up as actually supporting the main protagonist.

Kubo was a genius with the way he bought things together

omni1337

12-07-2005, 06:02 PM

Crazy as fucking damn ass hell!

SOOOO SICK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

sorry it was very good.

Thanatopsis123

12-07-2005, 06:05 PM

Despite being spoiled on this forums about Aizen still being alive, that was still a good episode. What exactly is Aizen's goal? Kira seemed like a good guy, why has he changed?

I sure didn't see Hinamori simply being killed like that. I figured Aizen would ask her to join the dark side and we'd see her freak out as he went into some speech about killing and evil.

And man, I didn't expect him to finish Hits so fast. Wow. I thought Hits was supposed to be some genius but Gin was able to toy with him and Aizen slaughtered him. I'm not a fan of Aizens zanpakou just yet. It seems incredibly powerful, sure, but still lame. I fail to see how any fight with him could be enjoyable to watch.

Also, Tousen being evil is soooo not cool. I liked him much more before this. :( Although, that gives me hope that he wasn't as weak as we saw earlier in his fight with Zaraki.

Good episode.

chaosas

12-07-2005, 06:21 PM

Well I surely didn't see Aizen as a strong character, but now he;s the main villain back from death :blink Looks like he enjoys slaughtering people. Yeah, I couldn't see him murdering Hinamori so easily but't needed anhe showed his true face, like she wasn't needed anymore so he got rid of her.
Forgot to say, Hitsugaya's bankai looked really awsome, but Aizen's defeated it with just his shikai, I'm thinking maybe to defeat him you don't need strenght, but some sort of special ability. On the other hand if Tousen follows him then probably Aizen's really strong as well. PERMANENT hypnosis until he releases it, can you imagine :blink

I agree, Tousen being evil looks strange. I mean, they showed him talking about "justice" in life and burying his (what?) lover, wife? He looked like he was following the orders totally. It might be that Aizen promised him something, used his weaknesses he proved he can do that :amuse

Sawako

12-07-2005, 06:27 PM

I don't need to use spoiler tags since the episode is subbed, right?

OMG THIS EPISODE WAS ONE OF THE BEST EVER! Yes, I'm an anime-only watcher.

I wasn't expecting Aizen to be alive. And I can't believe that he's just so powerful! OMG.

The one extra week wait was SO worth it!

I cannot wait for the next episode! This anime is just getting better and better. Although, it did seem like a lot of chapters was used for this episode (and I read the first page of this thread which confirmed it), so it saddens me that such a great anime might have to have fillers.

TenshiOni

12-07-2005, 06:28 PM

Honestly, with the pace they're going, and with TV TOKYO still not haven changed the 70 episode plan for Bleach for a good while now, I'm thinking there really won't be any fillers in Bleach.

It seems Bleach fans have lucked out - Bleach will most probably be continued through OVAs every year - always with awesome art and animation.

traquenard

12-07-2005, 06:38 PM

Also, Tousen being evil is soooo not cool. I liked him much more before this. :( Although, that gives me hope that he wasn't as weak as we saw earlier in his fight with Zaraki.

Tousen turn to be evil.... yeah... that lame since we saw him being the perfect ''justice'' guy which fit him more. Overall dump. Why not making Yurichi turn to the dark side in next episode then... :eyeroll

... Gin turn to be the little puppet of Aizen... simply killing off the character... he almost said and done nothing... :rant

... Kira ... ho well ... i liked him before this episode....

It seem they killing off characters personnalities simply for the introduction of the ''new Aizen''... good episode but with major flaws.

jonat3

12-07-2005, 06:52 PM

Tousen turn to be evil.... yeah... that lame since we saw him being the perfect ''justice'' guy which fit him more. Overall dump. Why not making Yurichi turn to the dark side in next episode then... :eyeroll

... Gin turn to be the little puppet of Aizen... simply killing off the character... he almost said and done nothing... :rant

... Kira ... ho well ... i liked him before this episode....

It seem they killing off characters personnalities simply for the introduction of the ''new Aizen''... good episode but with major flaws.

I thought it was genious.

I wouldn't call Tousen evil, cause it seems he follows Aizen for a reason (one that probably fits his view of justice).

Setting up Gin as the evil character to mask Aizen as the true evil one was an even better move. Somehow, Aizen's evilness is enhanced and elevated above even Gin's evil smile. It certainly brought more depth to Aizen's character.

Zodd

12-07-2005, 07:53 PM

I knew something was fishy in regard to how Aizen died. Let me just say that his ability seems kind of weak, as you have to have seen it for it to work on you. But he is clever in recruiting Tousen. Of course, if everyone in SS is afflicted with Aizen's ability, I wonder who will fight him... oh yeah, the ryoka. Just goes to show you how stupid is SS as a whole, fighting each other this whole time while Aizen was killing its leaders. Maybe Yamaji was in on it, since he mismanaged the situation from the start.

Also, Hitsugaya is weak. His bankai is ice-wings? WTF, lol. I'm sure Hitsugaya's spirit is somewhere cursing the creator for giving him a stronger shikai than bankai.

ps: Where's Kenpachi? OMG, WTF happened to him? And the fight with Genryuusai, what happened to that? Are they still posing and talking?

KonohaLeaf

12-07-2005, 08:03 PM

Kenpachi is just sitting crosslegged in some hallway because Star Fox sensed Yamaji's fire force and ran to him.

Key

12-07-2005, 08:30 PM

Azien is a evil genius.

kawaii_kakashi

12-07-2005, 08:38 PM

man... this episode was a total shocker. i never! saw a muhaha-Aizen coming.

poor Hinamori. poor Hitsu. :-(

krescentwolf

12-07-2005, 09:35 PM

The scene with Hina and Aizen was so well done... but maaan Did hitsu hafta get so badly pwned?

No man as unassuming as Aizen, much less with such stupid looking glasses (^_^;) should be that strong!

Manetheren

12-07-2005, 09:37 PM

yeah, hitsu actually did better in the anime than he did in the manga.

In the manga he was taken out before he even had a chance to strike.

Sad that Hitsu had to become a scapegoat to show a glimpse of how powerful Aizen is(and prove that he actually is a STRONG villain, and not just a weak manipulator like some might think). At least Unohana is there to possibly save Hitsu's life...

The funny thing about Aizen's death is that it has always been the unwritten law of comics and manga "If you dont see the corpse... chances are they aren't dead." I guess in Bleach, even if you SEE the corpse... they may not be dead. :D:D (of course you could go into the fact that all of soul society is TECHNICALLY dead... but whatever)

hitsu_kun

12-07-2005, 09:44 PM

I thought the episode was great, in terms of character portrayal. Although, I do agree that Hitsugaya's Bankai has not done enough justice. I feel that there is more to his zanpaktou ability. That swift stab at Aizen was just out of pure rage and hatred, Hitsu's mind must be on ''Kill the bastard Aizen, kill , Kill!!'' . I guess that was just those spur of the moment things and he didn't have time to react to Aizens hex powers. Damn i hate that superman wannabe.

chaosas

12-07-2005, 10:03 PM

Well I'm sure the fact that Hitsugaya lost so easily to Aizen doesn't mean he's weak, he just had no idea of that power of Aizen's sword...
I hope he survives, I like him.

What I think of Tousen, maybe Aizen promised him something, like bringing "justice" or reuniting him with his lost lover, just a guess :blink

Nekomimi

12-07-2005, 10:10 PM

Yea...Its not so much that Hitsu is THAT weak...Its just that aizens shikai is just THAT cheap xD. I cant even imagine if his shikai is that much of a "I WIN" thing that what his bankai would be...

dan-e

12-07-2005, 10:11 PM

wasn't hitsu underneath the complete hypnosis??? if so it's kind of natural for it to look weak.

KonohaLeaf

12-07-2005, 10:15 PM

My favorite part was when Aizen asked if he should have diced Himamori into tiny pieces so Hitsu wouldnt find her. Hitsu getting pissed with his bankai was awesome too...too bad the rage didnt last long.

Tsukiyomi

12-07-2005, 10:17 PM

yeah, hitsu actually did better in the anime than he did in the manga.

In the manga he was taken out before he even had a chance to strike.

Actually I think that makes him look weaker. Atleast in the manga it could have been argued that if Hitsugaya had attacked he could have done something, now its just like "well, you were nothing even with a Ban Kai attack".

jonat3

12-07-2005, 10:24 PM

Actually I think that makes him look weaker. Atleast in the manga it could have been argued that if Hitsugaya had attacked he could have done something, now its just like "well, you were nothing even with a Ban Kai attack".

It depends how you look at it. Not bing able to attack is even weaker than being able to attack, but failing. Atleast it took Aizen's shikai to defeat Hitsugaya in the anime. Aizen didn't even bother using it in the manga.

Tsukiyomi

12-07-2005, 10:29 PM

It depends how you look at it. Not bing able to attack is even weaker than being able to attack, but failing. Atleast it took Aizen's shikai to defeat Hitsugaya in the anime. Aizen didn't even bother using it in the manga.

I disagree, if you're unable to attack in time it can be argued you just weren't fast enough, if you attacked and you're attack failed to make a scratch it must be said that you were too weak.

jonat3

12-07-2005, 10:41 PM

I disagree, if you're unable to attack in time it can be argued you just weren't fast enough, if you attacked and you're attack failed to make a scratch it must be said that you were too weak.

Being slow can also be accounted as weak. Even though Chad has enough power to be dangerous for a captain, all that power matters little if you are too slow. In the end he's still weak, cause a person that's faster has atleast a better chance than a person who's attack is stronger, but is too slow to deliver it.

Tsukiyomi

12-07-2005, 10:52 PM

Clouds

12-08-2005, 12:13 AM

I have way too many feelings going through me after this episode. For starters I want to kill someone as this cliffhanger was far worse than all the rest combined, and the fact that my jaw is still on the floor as they kept throwing stuff at me to COMPLETELY screw up my view of where the storyline was going. Good guys are bad guys, "traitors" are good guys, bad guys are good guys and finally the rest are just fighting aimlessly because they're still good but have no clue was going on.

This is gonna be one long week to wait for the next ep, so many FREAKING POSSIBILITIES I COULD CRY.

Freakness

12-08-2005, 12:43 AM

Thats one way of looking at it.

But would you call a tank weak? You can be too slow to attack, but still be powerful. I don't think Kenpachi has enough speed to touch a captain like Byakuya, Shunsui, Yamamoto or Soi Fong, but he isn't weak.

You can't put Yamamoto in their level .

Besides him, I think Kenpachi doesn't fall from each one of them .

Code

12-08-2005, 12:59 AM

I agree, Tousen being evil looks strange. I mean, they showed him talking about "justice" in life and burying his (what?) lover, wife? He looked like he was following the orders totally. It might be that Aizen promised him something, used his weaknesses he proved he can do that :amuse
Well we don't really know Aizen's goal. So you can't really say he's evil... sure he did kill or at least attempt to kill annoying Hinamori and overrated Hitsugaya (well I do like him but...) but we don't know what he hopes to achieve in teh end. It could be something on the path of "Justice" that Tousen blindly(literally) follows. The means justifies the ends or whatever...

Since some of my friends and I are in college and we can't get past our university's firewall to use a torrent, would it be possible for anyone to post a direct download link somewhere? It would be most appreciated! Thanks!

That, or could you PM me a link? :)
Well if it hasn't been said already, Bleachtv.com should have a direct download link.

If you look a couple frames before that preview though, you see ichigo on the ground lol. Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me
... Yeah I checked it again and yes... it does show Ichigo lying on the ground for a few seconds watching as Aizen is holding up Rukia... so ...

AstralSky

12-08-2005, 01:08 AM

Wow...That was insane...It was always in the back of my mind that he would fake his death, but just the fact that his Soul Slayer coulud put people under hypnosis the moment they saw it was just CRAZY. He basically has supreme power. I mean, for him to have that kind of power wasn't luck. Some higher forces must me involved.

Zodd

12-08-2005, 01:35 AM

I don't understand a few things: first, why did Genryuusai simply not insist on the death penalty for Rukia? Maybe it's not obeying to the letter of the law, but it beats letting SS crumble.

Second, why did Aizen kill Hinamori. As he pointed out, she was effectively his pawn to do with as he would. She had already violated the law due to his death. So why not use her somehow, she's ultimately loyal? It seems a pointlessly brutal act added by the creator to make us hate Aizen.

I don't know if this has been mentioned but if you look at time index 24:00 in the preview of the next episode on the Dattebayo version, you'll see Urahara (I think).

So, what role do you people believe he serves in the upcomming episode: is he part of a flashback or :squeel: does he make a return to Soul Society? :woo :woo :woo

KonohaLeaf

12-08-2005, 02:40 AM

I dont get exactly how Aizen's hypnotism technique works. When the 4th vice captain said that he gathered all of the vice-captains and demonstrated his technique, Unohana realized that all of the vice captains were under the spell. What about the captains and the rest of the people...does viewing his "dead" body invoke the spell ...

what are the effects in being hypnotyzed by Aizen?

Marsala

12-08-2005, 03:09 AM

I don't understand a few things: first, why did Genryuusai simply not insist on the death penalty for Rukia? Maybe it's not obeying to the letter of the law, but it beats letting SS crumble.

Genryuusai is bound to obey the orders of the Center 46 and he is as duty-obsessed as Byakuya, if not more so. Also, he had no idea that Aizen was behind it all or the negative consequences of Rukia's execution (which have yet to be revealed).

Second, why did Aizen kill Hinamori. As he pointed out, she was effectively his pawn to do with as he would. She had already violated the law due to his death. So why not use her somehow, she's ultimately loyal? It seems a pointlessly brutal act added by the creator to make us hate Aizen.

Aizen saw her as useless because she wouldn't follow him into evil as Gin and Kira did, yet wouldn't be able to continue living without him (at least, as Aizen saw it). Aizen saw it as a mercy to kill Hinamori because she was so devoted to him that letting her live after abandoning her would be even crueler (think of Soi Fong after Yoruichi left Soul Society, only more so). Of course Aizen is wrong, but that is how he sees it. He is also an evil sadistic bastard, as his taunting of Hitsugaya showed. Gin almost certainly learned his sadism from Aizen.
I dont get exactly how Aizen's hypnotism technique works. When the 4th vice captain said that he gathered all of the vice-captains and demonstrated his technique, Unohana realized that all of the vice captains were under the spell. What about the captains and the rest of the people...does viewing his "dead" body invoke the spell ...

what are the effects in being hypnotyzed by Aizen?
If Aizen shows you the activation of his sword, you fall permanently under his spell and he can use his sword's abilities any time he pleases to deceive all five of your senses. Avoiding seeing the activation is next to impossible since Aizen knows Bankai and can thus activate his sword instantaneously without calling its name. The only way to avoid it is to keep your eyes closed when in the presence of Aizen to not see his sword; the only character capable of effectively fighting in such a condition is Tousen, and he is (1) probably not strong enough to beat Aizen and (2) on Aizen's side anyway.

onewithchaos

12-08-2005, 03:19 AM

If Aizen shows you the activation of his sword, you fall permanently under his spell and he can use his sword's abilities any time he pleases to deceive all five of your senses. Avoiding seeing the activation is next to impossible since Aizen knows Bankai and can thus activate his sword instantaneously without calling its name. The only way to avoid it is to keep your eyes closed when in the presence of Aizen to not see his sword; the only character capable of effectively fighting in such a condition is Tousen, and he is (1) probably not strong enough to beat Aizen and (2) on Aizen's side anyway.
i thought it was only the shikai that had the hypnosis. .. . so he was using his bankai?? :blink ( i thought they always called their zanpakuto's name when calling shikai)

Kyuubi Naruto

12-08-2005, 03:32 AM

Aizen is even more awesome in the anime. Great episode.

Oskar von Reuental

12-08-2005, 03:36 AM

i thought it was only the shikai that had the hypnosis. .. . so he was using his bankai?? :blink ( i thought they always called their zanpakuto's name when calling shikai)

Those who know ban kai can release shikai without calling their zanpakuto's name out. I don't think that was ban kai.

Tsukiyomi

12-08-2005, 03:41 AM

i thought it was only the shikai that had the hypnosis. .. . so he was using his bankai?? :blink ( i thought they always called their zanpakuto's name when calling shikai)

No, that was only his shikai. What he meant was since Aizen can use Ban Kai, he can release his sword without calling the name, so you never know when he is going to release his shikai.

hhallahh

12-08-2005, 04:40 AM

Definately one of the best episodes of the series. The only thing that was missing was that they probably should've had some new music tracks. An "evil Aizen" theme and a theme where Hitsuyaga gets pissed off would've been great.

conceptz

12-08-2005, 04:55 AM

Kenpachi is just sitting crosslegged in some hallway because Star Fox sensed Yamaji's fire force and ran to him.

HAHAH, this made me laugh so hard. star fox, that's who he reminded me of. good episode! can't wait for next few episodes...they gonna be a shocker as well

chaosas

12-08-2005, 05:45 AM

Can Urahara actually enter Soul Society?
I wish he could :amuse

Ichimaru Gin

12-08-2005, 05:48 AM

Yamato

12-08-2005, 06:51 AM

<- At last I can use my favourite avatar :P

hitsu_kun

12-08-2005, 07:00 AM

Sisu

12-08-2005, 11:15 AM

Noo! Poor Hitsugaya :(

He looked totally surprised being cut down that easily. Like Ichigo looked when he got his ass handed to himself by Byakuya the first time.

chaosas

12-08-2005, 02:48 PM

No Ichigo and his friends this episode. I hope they show up, wonder what they'll do now, obviously they can't defeat Aizen and save Rukia this way.
Some people don't like Ichigo's gang but I like them a lot :) Hope to see them developing their powers.

Zodd

12-08-2005, 04:16 PM

Genryuusai is bound to obey the orders of the Center 46 and he is as duty-obsessed as Byakuya, if not more so. Also, he had no idea that Aizen was behind it all or the negative consequences of Rukia's execution (which have yet to be revealed).

I thought Genryuusai founded SS. Could I suggest that maybe this isn't the guy you want leading an organization? I mean, this guy just takes orders from some messenger, who says he's representing Central 46 without verifying its authenticity? Unless Genryuusai has some brilliant Machiavellian reason for doing this, he has singlehandedly allowed SS to be destroyed the only possible way it could be done: internal fighting and rebellion. If he had simply obeyed practical reason instead of orders, Aizen and Ichimaru would be defeated (I doubt they could defeat Genryuusai, all other captains, and Ichigo by themselves).

Aizen saw her as useless because she wouldn't follow him into evil as Gin and Kira did, yet wouldn't be able to continue living without him (at least, as Aizen saw it). Aizen saw it as a mercy to kill Hinamori because she was so devoted to him that letting her live after abandoning her would be even crueler (think of Soi Fong after Yoruichi left Soul Society, only more so). Of course Aizen is wrong, but that is how he sees it. He is also an evil sadistic bastard, as his taunting of Hitsugaya showed. Gin almost certainly learned his sadism from Aizen.

Hmmm, I got the sense that Hinamori would follow him into anything Aizen wanted. She was hopelessly in love with him, and had already broken the law several times trying to avenge him. But that's just the way I saw it.

hakke

12-08-2005, 04:46 PM

It's such a disappointment to read these threads. It's so negitive around here. Which is why in like the 1 year and some months I have been here, I try and stay away from these threads. Alot of you come in here and Bash, or just manga is so much better crap, im talking about some of you, not all. I wish things were more positive.

- Gin

Youre right, we dont even have to talk about tha manga to be bashing.

-Ichigo barely survived his fight against Byakuya... and now he will have to power up again... against someone who made Hitsugaya look like a wimp, meaning his power is "beyond anything we've ever seen".

-If the rest of the main cast is already useless... how much would they have to power up to even watch a fight?

-Genryuusai... wow 1st he was an old man that didnt do anything... to a POWERFUL old man that didnt matter to the story... to now a not so powerful DUMB old guy.

-REally... the Hinamori and Hitsugaya kills... anyone buys those? Someone will come and "cure" them... so the shock factor is gone as soon as it happens.

and not to forget...

Tousen turn to be evil.... yeah... that lame since we saw him being the perfect ''justice'' guy which fit him more. Overall dump. Why not making Yurichi turn to the dark side in next episode then... :eyeroll

... Gin turn to be the little puppet of Aizen... simply killing off the character... he almost said and done nothing... :rant

... Kira ... ho well ... i liked him before this episode....

It seem they killing off characters personnalities simply for the introduction of the ''new Aizen''... good episode but with major flaws.

Again.. the art and character designs are what keep Bleach going... the story leaves much to be desired.

crazymtf

12-08-2005, 05:29 PM

^Story? You need more when you watching bleach but not Naruto? Story! XD cracks me up.

hakke

12-08-2005, 06:27 PM

^Story? You need more when you watching bleach but not Naruto? Story! XD cracks me up.

I didnt mention Naruto. I critize Bleach on its own merits... and no im not a hypocrite, I like the style and designs of Bleach, and that's why I keep watching it.

poeman

12-08-2005, 07:43 PM

one of the most shocking episodes ever

wow

Wing-Zero

12-08-2005, 09:54 PM

Was it me or in that whole episode there was no Ichigo?

GaryDAI

12-08-2005, 11:04 PM

He appeared in the last 5 seconds of the episode :p

KonohaLeaf

12-08-2005, 11:11 PM

Hitsuyuga should get "cured" but Hinamori should stay dead.

Ichimaru Gin

12-09-2005, 06:20 AM

jonat3

12-09-2005, 06:30 AM

Hmm, made me think of something else. Some of you bash the story alot, but I don't see any of your stories being used in any poplular anime shows.

I think alot of you should just shut it, for hmm say....Forever? Or until your story lines show up in anime's.

Can't we all just enjoy FREE Bleach episodes? :crying

So true. It's easy to be a critic, but i don't see these critics creating something like bleach. People can't even recognize genius when it's in front of their noses. I mean, people still critizise Aizen's rise, when it has been one of the biggest shockers in anime history. I don't remember any other anime that has this HOLY SH1T!@ factor.

Isshin

12-09-2005, 07:21 AM

Aizen Sousuke ownage, imo teh best character in bleach so far. I knew all about this from the beginning that, such a great character wouldnt die in 2 episodes and would eventually come back to reveal his true self... Great eppisode, though i am a bit sad about Hitsugaya I thought he could have last a bit longer vs Aizen, 1 2 sec or so :)

Sintaku

12-09-2005, 07:27 AM

Well, I think this episode was the best. It added some substance to the plot making it more interesting. I sure can't wait to see next weeks episode. It is very likely to be highly interesting, hopefully they won't put a filler in next week.

aaasss

12-09-2005, 08:14 AM

For everyone whos blaming a weak storyline in bleach, why not let the anime explain a little.

It hasnt really left too many loose ends so far.

And at this rate (compared to manga), Im giving it an episode or 2 before the arc is done.

I have liked the story developement fillers in bleach (they have done a few great ones), so I hope they have some of those. I prob wont be able to stand 10 episodes of retarded fillers.

And if they go anywhere close to as bad as Naruto fillers, Im gonna start sending some hate mail...

Moridin

12-09-2005, 08:51 AM

Well, I think this episode was the best. It added some substance to the plot making it more interesting.

I think thats what makes bleach great in my mind, the fact that whilst it might not look like theirs much plot going on all of a sudden kubo will tie it all together and bam your jaws dropped.

just keep watching/reading and trust in kubo to make it all work out as he's done so far imo

chaosas

12-09-2005, 01:26 PM

There's no way I'm bashing the storyline, I love it! :amuse
Really I thought Aizen was a weak 2nd plan guy, who's purpose was only to get killed by the "evil" guy but he turned out to be behind all this :laugh
Got to love his glasses :laugh

Tsukiyomi

12-09-2005, 02:04 PM

-Genryuusai... wow 1st he was an old man that didnt do anything... to a POWERFUL old man that didnt matter to the story... to now a not so powerful DUMB old guy.

I still don't get why people think Yamamoto is dumb, it would be impossible for anyone to figure out what was going on because if they went looking all they would see is what Aizen wanted them to see.

Unknown1

12-09-2005, 05:59 PM

Nice episode, I had a feeling that Aizen may come back. I found it odd that a captain would die so early on, especially after the main conspirator to his murder turned out to previously be his vice captain. I doubt Hits will be dead as he is a captain and Aizen just disappeared in front of Unohana and her vice. Don't think she would leave him there to die without atleast making an attempt to heal him.

Can't wait for the next episode.

Kon~

12-10-2005, 02:04 AM

What made me wonder was that the girl captian (not sure about her name) was standing there watching Hitsugaya geting owned by Aizen, I dont know why she didnt help him.

Wing-Zero

12-10-2005, 02:09 AM

Hm... Well she probably would have just been killed anyways, but I don't think she has ever been shown attacking, she is the leader of the medical thing right?

TheBlindHyuuga

12-10-2005, 03:54 AM

Unohana isn't seen as a fighter....she is the head of the medical division. So, she wouldn't have been able to do much during the battle.

I really enjoyed this episode...considering that I'm a manga reader I've been looking forward to this moment animated for a while now.

chaosas

12-10-2005, 03:57 PM

Cthulhu-versailles

12-10-2005, 05:39 PM

OMg I just watched the epsiode and it was wicked.

Aizen being alive isn;t that shocking to be, because of that episode long ago where there was the flashback of him and hinamori. However, I never suspected he would be a freaking trader.

Omg and he pwned hitsuyga in 1 seconds, what the hell Aizen is unbeatble, He is God. Seriously each episode of bleach seems to get betetr each weak.. wtf- and then to have this... DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Also now that he's back and thx to the preview of ep 61- looks like umm what's his name, that guy who trained Ichigo is goona be major player.

Also when Bleach the series finishes they need to release some Ova's there is so much potential in Ova's for bleach.

Karma Thief

12-10-2005, 08:36 PM

Ooh I don't know... This probably is a mistake but I feel like Unohana is really powerful, well, from her posture and Aizen's actions. Maybe she isn't a reiatsu freak, but I bet her sword has some really cool abilities (you know medic stuff, that could be paralyzing, poison, heart stopping or anyting else). Even her shikai is huge :blink

Somehow I got the sense that Minazuki was her Bankai. First off, it was huge like you said. Second off, Unohana addressed Minazuki directly, something that we have only seen when the physical form of the soul slayer is out (Zabimaru, Zangetsu, etc.).

Kon~

12-11-2005, 04:45 AM

Unohana isn't seen as a fighter....she is the head of the medical division. So, she wouldn't have been able to do much during the battle.
I still feel wierd about why she just stood there tho, i mean, even tho you are not a fighter, you can still at least step out and help your teamates and not just watch them die.

TheBlindHyuuga

12-11-2005, 05:41 AM

the relationships between the captains has been seen to be very awkward. You have Mayuri who could care less about the other captains, Kenpachi who wants to fight everyone and is sort of looked down by the other captains, etc. All of the captains pretty much keep to themselves and only talk on a personal level with their VCs. There could also be an honor code among captains where they don't get involved in each other's fights.

I know that it feels weird when people just stand there doing nothing..but it happens in real life as well...=/...

However, in the case of Unohana, there isn't much that she probably could do during the battle...but she can definitely tend to the wounded afterwards...that is her main function...to heal...not to fight.

Fenix

12-11-2005, 06:23 AM

Jack Bauer

12-11-2005, 11:42 AM

You guys are giving Aizen too much credit...

The big thing with him is the hypnosis...physical fighting I doubt he's that impressive. Now I'm not saying we shouldnt say that ability doesnt count, it's just that it's a really bad matchup for most people especially those who dont know about it. So people here who say Hits got owned and is weak are being a little too harsh.

I think it'll be interesting to see how Aizen will be beaten, I guess the fighter will have to close his eyes and all...

His zankupatou is actually pretty powerful. Look how he slashed and nearly killed Hitsugaya using Kyoukasuigetsu (Mirror the Flowers, Water and Moon) and how he could decieve anyone just by looking at it when it is being released to its Shikai because of its "Complete Hypnotism" ability. He can literraly take you to a nice restaurant and while you think your eating, he kills you.

And no I'm not being harsh about Hitsu being owned either :sweat

Code

12-11-2005, 12:45 PM

You guys are giving Aizen too much credit...

The big thing with him is the hypnosis...physical fighting I doubt he's that impressive. Now I'm not saying we shouldnt say that ability doesnt count, it's just that it's a really bad matchup for most people especially those who dont know about it. So people here who say Hits got owned and is weak are being a little too harsh.

I think it'll be interesting to see how Aizen will be beaten, I guess the fighter will have to close his eyes and all...
Once you see his release, then it doesn't matter if you close your eyes for the rest of your life(or death). You're under hypnosis. Every single sense is being controlled, though I think there may be limitations, but that's just an assumption.

Physical fighting, he's not that impressive? He did just cut through Hitsugaya's Bankai with ease.

chaosas

12-11-2005, 05:24 PM

I think he means Aizen isn't horribly powerful if he's without his shikai. I think so too. Maybe he's really strong, stronger than Byakuya perhaps, but it's his shikai that gives him such incredible advantage.
Hitsugaya was blinded by anger, he was *sure* he was cutting Aizen, while he was under his hypnosis, so Aizen could slowly walk to Hitsu, aim and slice Z on his back if he wanted to :amuse

Wow Code that's scary, he showed his release to ALL the vice-captains :eek And who knows how many more people... Maybe whole Soul Society is under his hypnosis... MAYBE THEY ARE ALL IN THE MATRIX :blink

Tsukiyomi

12-11-2005, 05:42 PM

Yeah, his Shikai makes him as far as we can tell unbeatable, its impossible to fight someone you cannot perceive in any way. I mean suppose Ukitake tried to fight him, he could just make him think Shunsui is him and vice versa and they would kill each other trying to kill Aizen.

Megaharrison

12-11-2005, 05:54 PM

Ok, the "Aizen isn't that strong, he just uses hypnosis" argument makes no sense.

Aizen is extremely powerful, the hypnosis thing is just the way he fights. It STILL COUNTS. It's like if you take away senbon zakura, Byakuya wouldn't be that powerful.

hhallahh

12-11-2005, 06:26 PM

Uh, that's a spoiler, you know. Geez.

I'll add one other comment. In the manga, I thought the "zomg Aizen is evil!!1" was a completely inane plot twist. After seeing it animated, I still agree. However, it's a much cooler moment when you've seen it coming.

gomen

12-11-2005, 09:17 PM

Tsukiyomi

12-11-2005, 09:29 PM

bah he still got his royal finger techniques thingies :amuse

The point is that Byakuya's style revolves around his sword, every shinigami's style revolves around their sword. So to say that Aizen would be nothing without his sword is stupid.

Code

12-11-2005, 09:32 PM

The point is that Byakuya's style revolves around his sword, every shinigami's style revolves around their sword. So to say that Aizen would be nothing without his sword is stupid.
I'm sure there are some shinigamis that specialize in demon arts... Soi Fong also didn't seem to solely rely on her sword. Nor did Mayuri.

Tsukiyomi

12-11-2005, 09:42 PM

I'm sure there are some shinigamis that specialize in demon arts... Soi Fong also didn't seem to solely rely on her sword. Nor did Mayuri.

Mayuri? He relied totally on his swords ability to paralyze his victim. Other than that he relied on people to essentially fight for him as human shields. He then relied on the poison of his sword.

Soi Fong wouldn't be anywhere near as deadly without her swords ability, its ability to kill and her speed go hand and hand.

Also I'm aware some shinigami specialize in demon arts, but I have yet to see one go an entire fight (against a worthy opponent) without using their sword. The sword will always be a staple in their style.

So my point still stands, saying "Aizen is nothing without his sword" is pointless because take away any shinigami's sword and it will seriously weaken them, just like taking demon arts away from a demon art specialist would weaken them.

Code

12-11-2005, 09:53 PM

Mayuri? He relied totally on his swords ability to paralyze his victim. Other than that he relied on people to essentially fight for him as human shields. He then relied on the poison of his sword.

He relied on people to fight on him as a human shield? That was once in the beginning of the fight. Relied totally on his swords ability to paralyzed? That was once. At the exact same moment. Both before the fight even really began.

Soi Fong wouldn't be anywhere near as deadly without her swords ability, its ability to kill and her speed go hand and hand.

She may not be considering how her sword's ability is one of the deadliest period. But she can still fight at a very high level without being as hindered as the other captains without their swords.