Marvel vs. DC Crossover match.

[Id]

Attention I made a mistake and left out one key player in marvel team. Sorry for the incontinence- Id

Its Apocalypse, Magneto, Exodus, Mr. Sinister, Dr. Doom, Maestro Hulk.

vs.

(All are post crisis) Superman GL Kyle, Batman, Wonder Women, Martian
Manhunter, and Flash.

[pnoypridz]

dc heroes will more likely take this

[Id]

dc heroes will more likely take this

Yeah they always win. But awnser me this. If they win would it be an

Easy
Medium
Hard
Vary close

match up?:cool

[Quoll]

DC would probably, but it depends on who fights who. For example, Superman could be taken out if Doom used his magic to weaken him then had exodus or Apocalyse finish him off. It would be close.

[lucky]

hard matchup but i think DC takes this. whe nit comes to brute force and power DC takes this pretty easily.


dr. doom though... his preptime and resources beats even the preptime god batman. :P He might be able to even up the fight or even win it...


BUt i say JLA takes this.

[Yami no Takeshi]

DC. :oh
Only Doom in my opinion poses true danger.
In theory Flash alone could take out most the opponents.
And how come u chooce DC powerhouses in Sups and WW but no Hulk or Thor to even out the brute strength? :huh

[furious styles]

i'm going with the villains...those sort of combined minds could do crazy things.

[Rice Ball]

Marvel team doesn't have anyone to counter the pure strenght of the DC team. While Doom might be able to handle flash etc they would need someone like Hulk/Thanos with them to keep the heavy hitters at bay.

[Spacey]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't it take like The Fantastic Four, SPiderman, Ironman, Wolverine etc to just defeat Dr. Doom???

[Gunners]

DC the characters there have raw strength.

[Id]

Ok We have Apocalypse as my Heavy Hitter. Notable powers Immortality, energy blasts, teleportation, super strength, toughness, the ability to shape shift and size-shift, and the ability to generate force fields.

Then comes Exodus form bloodties; Exodus from Blood Ties was a beast my friend. He did things Magneto would only dream of doing. He beat the x-men and the avengers at the same time, he bested Sersi (yes, the eternal), kicked the crap out of warmachine, was telepathically influencing almost all the mutants on Genosha (millions), and created and maintained a force field that was crushing an entire island, all at the same time. Then he took Xavier's mind attack (that put Magneto in a coma) and got right back up. Lets not forget he may also be a potential Omega lv Mutant.
Is a Psionic Wielder of the higest kind.
He absorbs energy even life force to increase his strength, his real powers are telepathy, telekinesis, mind blast, mind control, pshysic vampirism, teleprtation.

Then comes Mr. Sinister……..Notable powers Scientific genius in a number of fields.
Near-complete control of his body down to the cellular level - shapeshifting, regeneration, incredible resistance to injury. Telepathy and telekinesis. Skilled manipulator. Immortal.




The wild card Dr. Doom. Notable powers Super-genius. Can exchange consciousness with another humanoid. Command of magic. Wears a custom-designed suit of powered armor at all times.

And Magneto. control of electromagnetic energies, allowing flight, bolts of energy, force fields, etc. Skilled strategist. And lets not forget how he can stop the iron in your blood, and make black holes…….


Well my point of all this (and to deffend this team I think it kicks ass!) it seems like Team Marvel is being underestimated. All of them are vary skilled strategist. And have just about all can augment their strength and place force fields to protect them self’s. Lets not forget that some have vary high resistance to damage I just wouldn’t pick weakling just to get creamed so easily..

[unknowndanex]

i see marvel is gettin no love here, so i have to go with marvel. even though marvel doesn't have their normal heavy hitters, if u look at the teams DC cant win to many one on one fights in this battle. and if it takes more than one DC person to take out one, (Apocalypse or Exodus choose your poison) marvel would have a huge advantage.

[lucky]

honestly i've never heard of exodus but he sounds powerful.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't it take like The Fantastic Four, SPiderman, Ironman, Wolverine etc to just defeat Dr. Doom???

lol tha'ts where batman comes in... he's not quite on par with dr. doom but i'd say he's the next best thing in the comic book Universe.

[Id]

Oh I made a mistake I posted more DC cara then Marvel. Im gonna add one to the list. Maestro Hulk.

Superman vs Dr. Doom

GL Kyle vs Maestro Hulk

Batman vs Magneto

Wonder Women vs Mr. Sinister


Martian Manhunter vs Exodus

Flash vs Apocolypse

[unknowndanex]

you just killed off DC's team

[Id]

you just killed off DC's team

Why? what happend:S

[GSurge]

Maestro Hulk happened.

[Blitzomaru]

No. You all are forgetting the three factors that Guarantee this fight goes to DC. But before I state those three facts I've got another statement. Villians kill, heroes don't. So if this is a contest to kill, then I'm assuming the heores are crossing that line. Because the villians inherently will go for the kill, not the KO. SO here are my 3 reasons:
#1. Superman. He's friggin superman! Can fly faster than the speed of sound, can use his heat vision from space. Combine his heat vision with his telescopic and X-ray vision, and he can see all the villians from space. If he was going for the kill, he could atomize Sinister, magneto, Doom and Exodus. IF just the win, he could lobotomize them.

#2. Flash. Flash is very underrated, even though people know his powers. But if people thought about the physics behind his powers, they'd realize how strong he is. E=MC^2
As a mass approaches the speed of light, the amount of energy produced increases exponentially. Think about how much a baseball would hurt if it hit you at 100 mph. Now think about how much it would hurt if it hit you at 186,000 miles per second. The amount of energy expelled would at least rival an atomic bomb. So once again, Doom, Sinister, Exodus and Magneto would be dead. It's already been proven that a nuke could kill Maestro Hulk, so that would do it as well. That leaves Apocalypse. i don't know how to kill him, or if he could be killed. But if he can't be killed form thsoe two there's always #3:
Green Lantern. People underestimate Kyle Rayner cause he was the successor to Hal Jordan, the greatest Green Lantern. But Kyle has imagination, and with it he could do anything. Remember, Kyle's ring doesn't have the yellow weakness. Hal got stopped with a bottle of mustard once. If the combined forces of WW, martain manhunter and Batman can't stop apocalype then Kyle will just have to wrap him up and shoot him into the sun And I'm pretty sure that if that didn't work, Supes would just beat the living hell out of him. If a punch from Rogue and make Apocalype stumble a little, then Supes would turn him into mush.

[Gooba]

A little reletivistic physics or all of you here.

If something is moving at the speed of light it has infinite mass. Infinite mass, moving at any velocity will hit you with infinite force. Technically, Flash's light speed punch would kill anyone, ever, in one hit.

[Blitzomaru]

I stand corrected. I'm not a physics major, I just knew that it would hurt like hell, and would make a giant explosion. So that help make my point further. None of those villians could compete with the JLA

[Jin22]

If Batman doesn't devise a plan for the DC side, then Doom for the win.

We're talking about a guy who outsmarted and took over the powers of a deity(Beyonder) in the Marvel Universe. Strategically, Batman would be his only challenge.

[unknowndanex]

for one, superman will not beat maestro hulk, this isn't vote for the winner crossover match this time, hulk would beat superman. and i'm not gonna repeat what i put about magneto in the magento vs exodus thread so check that thread out. magneto is underrated to the fullest. marvel would take this, just like any other marvel vs DC match unless u handicapped marvel.

and for blitzomaru's flash statement, flash's body is only manipulated for his speed, not the impact of him hitting things which is why he runs around things and people and not through them. in actuality if he hit people while going that fast the way u put it, it would destroy his body.

as a summary of the statement i made of magento..........he basically controls all electromagnetic energy and energies related to it, he can endow himself with class 100 strength and his magnetism has been shown to lift 300,000 tons. if flash tries to speed burst him, he would run into a forcefield and depending on the energy since u're using physics, flash would explode.

[pnoypridz]

wat u just said superman wont beat maestro hulk

superman will beat the shit out of hulk

hulk probably the most overatted ob character here

[unknowndanex]

wat u just said superman wont beat maestro hulk

superman will beat the shit out of hulk

hulk probably the most overatted ob character here

well when u look at it hulk is stronger than that battery of a hero superman. its not like his laser vision is gonna beat the hulk, the hulk's regeneration is among the best in comics. fighting the hulk is like fighting another doomsday before he comes back to life. maestro hulk has the same powers as hulk but to a higher extent because all of the gamma absorbtion over the years. hip hip hooray superman is faster, but hulk has always had to account for someone faster than him so i'm sure that won't be the biggest problem everyone cracks it up to be. superman has to recharge after exerting too much energy, and he will do that against maestro hulk. a matter a fact check out issue 460 of hulk in which maestro tells that the hulk will always come back, even from death. but superman wouldn't kill the hulk, but that was a FYI fact.

[pnoypridz]

well when u look at it hulk is stronger than that battery of a hero superman. its not like his laser vision is gonna beat the hulk, the hulk's regeneration is among the best in comics. fighting the hulk is like fighting another doomsday before he comes back to life. maestro hulk has the same powers as hulk but to a higher extent because all of the gamma absorbtion over the years. hip hip hooray superman is faster, but hulk has always had to account for someone faster than him so i'm sure that won't be the biggest problem everyone cracks it up to be. superman has to recharge after exerting too much energy, and he will do that against maestro hulk. a matter a fact check out issue 460 of hulk in which maestro tells that the hulk will always come back, even from death. but superman wouldn't kill the hulk, but that was a FYI fact.

your saying hulk is stronger than superman look at this pic

thats 200 trillion tons thats 3 times his normal strenght so his normal strengh is 66 trillion tons

u think hulk woudnt be knock out.......
let me say this again hulk = most overatted character in ob

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/bida_ako/All-StarSuperman01page15.jpg

[unknowndanex]

so are u telling me superman needs to take a couple of trips to the sun before he fights the hulk, and through many threads alot of people have agreed on one thing.......superman has the most inconsistent powers of any hero strength wise. this comic he can lift 200 quintilion tons but in another comic he struggles just to pick up an armored truck.

maestro's powers aren't even explainied in numbers and upper limit is unknown because of years of radiation. the regular hulk's upper limit is unknown. i see that quintillion tons didn't take out doomsday, mongul, or cyborg easily, well not doomsday at all. andrew golota can benchpress way more than tyson but tyson's punch is way harder than his and he whupped his ass easily. don't throw strength feats at me please especially for the inconsistent battery that is superman.

hulk is not overrated at all, and i won't say superman is either, cause there are many comics that shows his limits but everyone will only put out the one's that show him lifting an inanimate object or something.

all superman has on maestro is speed, he can't regenerate like maestro, , he is not as relentless or aggressive, he is not much stronger unless he go live in the sun for awhile before the fight, but if he gets to do that, why don't u let maestro stand in a room of infinite gamma radiation to absorb while watching re-reruns of the Bachelor to make him angrier.

let them out and what happens.........
1. superman's strength increases from solar energy
2. maestro's strentgh increses from gamma radiation and strength increases from anger

get the drift

[pnoypridz]

dude did u even read future imperfect....

meastro hulk is as strong as profesor hulk but he just got more fighting experience

and profesor hulk is like at 75-100 ton range

[unknowndanex]

yeah i read it, which is why i know he got stronger do to all the radiation after all of the nuclear explosions and shit.

but try reading Incredible Hulk 457, 460, 461, and Captain Marvel Vol 3 #29 and u will see how powerful maestro really is.

[Anthriel]

With prep time, Marvel wins this, because Dr. Doom has stupid Deus Ex Machina powers, that enable him to do literally everything with some absurd plan. Without it, DC wins, because the characters are probably more powerful overall. It's kind of hard to compare though.


#2. Flash. Flash is very underrated, even though people know his powers. But if people thought about the physics behind his powers, they'd realize how strong he is. E=MC^2
As a mass approaches the speed of light, the amount of energy produced increases exponentially.
Actually, E = mc^2 just refers to the energy any given object has when it's not moving at all. :P
Granted, the energy of something that moves at the speed of light would be infinite, but it would also need an infinite energy to get to that speed and time would stop for that particular object. It's completely stupid, so it's best not to think of it.

[Blitzomaru]

The math! It boggles me!!! But seriously, Flash moves at the speed of light. But lets say he slows down for thsi fight to about 10,000mps, which is less than a 1/10 the speed of light. Name one of those marvel opponents that would be able to react, or even see him coming. Add the fact that a weaker version of superman from earth 2 was able to shoot his heat vision from space (he saw that realities version of batman and wonderwoman making out and fried the cat in a tree next to them) Kyle actually enclosed the moon with two giant hands, so I'm sure he can take out the weaker members. The only ones that pose a threat are Apocalypse and Maestro Hulk. But if the X-men can beat Apocalypse time and time again, then the combined powers of the big 6 should be able to as well. Maestro Hulk was beat by a nuke. GL can survive black holes and flying through suns. Supes can live in the sun and get strogner. Battle over.

[unknowndanex]

for one x-men foil apocalyspe's plans, they don't actually defeat him, this is a fight not a plan. u keep forgetting magneto for some reason. i don't see what superman living in the sun has to do with anything because the basis of the battle does not have superman after he lived in the sun, and i doubt everyone is gonna sit around a wait for him to finish sunbathing. and Kingdom Come which used the pre-crisis characters had all of them in fear of a nuke killing off all of them and it ultimately killed Capt Marvel.

like i said magneto could easily take out the flash. in actuallity with the characters chosen for DC, Magneto himself could take that down to superman and GL kyle. and those two would not beat that team considering Exodus would easily take down supes with his psychic ability considering supes is vunerable to psychics.

and before u say anything about me overhyping Magneto; Batman, WW, and Martian Manhunter would not last with him, and i already explained why the Flash wouldn't. every fight does not come down to one-on-one situation if it doesn't have to.

u also cast off Exodus as a weaker member, don't forget his psychic ability is much better than a manhunter's and Kyle can be beaten by a strong enough psychic.

and wasn't Kyle apart of the JLA team that got all their asses handed to them by Deathstroke in Identity Crisis? i think he was.

marvel takes this hands down, like i said u need to handicap marvel for DC to take this.

[Id]

Apocolypse vs Flash- what can Flash do to "A" he has a force field on plus he like damn near indestructable.

Superman vs Dr. Doom- Doom wears down supes with magic plasts and brain foucks Supes.

GL Kyle vs Maestro Hulk-Hm.....good one I leave up for arguement.

Batman vs Magneto- Magneto utterly rapes Batman in so many ways....

Wonder Women vs Mr. Sinister-What can WW do to Mr Siniester


Martian Manhunter vs Exodus- Exodus brain foucks with MM and vamps his TP


All Team Marvel does have a good chance of winning to many prep time whores and ruthless dirty fighters for them to down with out a good fight:laugh

[korican04]

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and for blitzomaru's flash statement, flash's body is only manipulated for his speed, not the impact of him hitting things which is why he runs around things and people and not through them. in actuality if he hit people while going that fast the way u put it, it would destroy his body. .
Incorrect! Flash has hit people with his body going that fast. He hit a white martian with an infinite mass punch from mount rush more to kenya. White martians are as tough as superman, and flash was fine. He ran around the world and smacked him.
Zoom hit wonderwoman going increased in mass, and wonderwoman said it felt like superman smacked her.

Here are the flash ones.
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/1630/jla003064go.jpg

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/3826/jla003073nt.jpg

I'm not saying dc takes this now with maestro hulk in the other team.

Superman's strength is as high as needed for that particular comic lol. That's what happens when you have a character that's lasted from 1939.
Kyle really has his ups and downs, he either takes care of things or dies off the bat. Wally, well if he doesn't do his miracles then he's gone too, but if he goes light speed only exodus and magneto can trap him. The others are more consistent with their abities.
The marvel team here is plenty strong now with maestro. I've got to think about this more. The one issue with the marvel team is the team work factor, most of them are lone wolfs while the dc team has fought together and knows their abilities down.

[unknowndanex]

i stand corrected korican, but i wasn't referring to Flash punching people, the way i took Blitzomaru's comment it sounded like he was saying that Flash would just run through people.

but as i will continue to hold, magneto will defeat flash, his speed will be slowed by magneto's constant magnetic fields because of refraction and dispersion.

but i agree that teamwork is a problems here, because this is several marvel villains against a the JLA (a team).

Magneto and Exodus are pretty much a team, but Magneto hates Apocalypse and Sinister, which means Exodus probably hates them by default, none of them met Maestro, Sinister is Apocalypse little chronie. too many uncertainties.

but assuming they were a team they would rape JLA.

[Yamato]

Replace Doom and Exodus with Xavier and Mesmero and you will win.

[braindx]

At the beginning of the fight, I don't know if magneto would know what hit him

[Id]

Magneto would just stop Flash in his tracks cold turkey the same way he did to quick silver or at least slow him down. Or place WW and Batman to slep by slowing down thier blood flow. But Now Im sounding like a fan boy and the DC cast are no pussies so its up in the air. I still give 5/10 untill some one can give me concrete evidence that either team will pawn the other for so and so reason.