DB's stupid joke

[narutosimpson]

First off, I didn't watch the episode cause I don't d/l there episodes. But hearing about it I find it offensive. I'll add some of my previous post to this one and you guys can discuss it if you want. I don't want to dominate the topic either, so if there's comments for me I will see them later on, thanks

my previous posts:
As for DB's joke: well that joke should be offensive. Who the hell does DB think they are? I don't know any of them and they are coming off as extraordinarily insensitive and it's just not funny. I haven't been watching there dubs since the GNAA thing which is even more disgusting cause there's a freaking website about it. So let's see, they insult Blacks, jews and gays...smells like a nazi?
And believe me, I am NOT BLACK,JEWISH OR GAY, but it's just too offensive. I hope you guys will be turned off to DB dubs like I am and take others with you, I don't support that crap. [END RANT]

and if u don't take it seriously that's fine. If that kind of "joke" is ok with you, fine. Although what makes u r so sure it's a joke , i don't know, there was no punchline or zing in it or anything, just a nice swipe at jews, and i am far from jewish, so i don't care, but i do take offense to GNAA. If DB was really made of black homosexuals, then it would be kindof funny, but i'm pretty sure it's not. I mean, let's state the obvious then: WHERE IS GAY WHITEY(OR WHATEVER INSULT YOU WANT) ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA? Show me that and why they aren't part of that club.

As for who I am, I'm not a person who makes STUPIDDD uncalled for jokes that nobody gets and then puts them out in public like everything is normal.

And as a matter of fact I haven't used a DB sub since they released that GNAA movie a long time ago. I've been managing with the little japanese i know and Hell fansubs for a while.

And they don't have a website so to speak, it's just some little page.

[Shogun]

umm, for those of us who aren't in the know, can you please say what the joke was?

[A3-kun]

Yeah, clue us in >_>

[Fenix]

Hmm, is this really worth debating?

A. If people are offended, they have the right to complain.

B. Those who are not offended have no place to comment on the matter at all, it does not concern them so ignore it.

Either way, it's so stupid to see type A being all sensitive about it but also adding in "even though i'm not race/religion X" or type B saying "it's not offensive because X and Y".

-_- Kids

[Key]

what was the joke? If it's an insult to asian than screw DB, always liked
hell-sub..

Is that their sub lags/freeze? I kinda notice when I watch the image kinda freeze for 1 sec.

[A3-kun]

Apparently it was something about Jewish people and/or gay people, whatever. It didn't have that in the file I downloaded. But seeing as I generally find religious and racial jokes amusing, I can safely say I wouldn't really care.

[Kojiro Ganryu Sasaki]

GNAA is an "actual" organization. They spam forums. DB probably has nothing to do with them.

[Code]

what was the joke? If it's an insult to asian than screw DB, always liked
hell-sub..

Is that their sub lags/freeze? I kinda notice when I watch the image kinda freeze for 1 sec.
As far as I know, when their irc channel used to be open, they seem to be pretty much asian supremecist... at least one of the ops or hops back then... (who knows if he/she is/are actually asian...)...

But basically it's their regular Jew-bashing which I find very annoying in general.
I believe it was basically "Looking for a translator blah blah jews need not apply."

[T2004]

Jew joke on Bleach 59: "Now recruiting female translators living in the area of DB headquarters. Must send naked pictures. Jews need not apply."

Continued in Naruto 161: "567,249,867 Jews argree this week's special message on Bleach was offensive."

[Gelantious]

This is the Internet, if you takes stuff like this seriously you should really cancel your subscription with your ISP and sell your computer.

You all care about this stuff way to much, your like a frelling soccer mom in the US. As soon as she see's a nipple on TV she freaks (Like Kyle's mom in South Park). For Fuck Sake, lighten up !

[Niabingi]

^im not jewish and im not one to take offence easily... I just think that the joke sound stupid! it makes little sense its not even funny, so then it just becomes lame and totally un-called for...

[Code]

This is the Internet, if you takes stuff like this seriously you should really cancel your subscription with your ISP and sell your computer.

You all care about this stuff way to much, your like a frelling soccer mom in the US. As soon as she see's a nipple on TV she freaks (Like Kyle's mom in South Park). For Fuck Sake, lighten up !
So simpy becuase it's not a physical medium of interacting you can't take anything serious? And if you do take something serious you shouldn't really be using it? Because I'm sure everything related to the internet is one big joke. Every single threatening, degrading, and insulting messages are never to be taken seriously...

It's called pointing out someone's stupidity in making a joke. Especially if it offends someone, by being insulting towards those who 'take it serously'(or as I think, use a brain and iknow that it doesn't matter if its jokingly or not) it's nearly as annoying as the joke itself. There's only so many times before you can use "it's the internet" as an excuse before it gets old.

[Bobcat1]

by the sound of the 2nd message, they obviously meant to offend people, just how South Park and Family Guy does so well. By this thread, they succeeded greatly and are probably laughing at you all now getting all uptight (Don't flame me, because they blatantly are). And as I said in the other thread, they do us a favour that they don't have to do, they most probably don't care for our respect, because, well lets face it, most "Narutard" people demand their subs so quickly they don't deserve it. Let this thread die.

[kataimiko]

Jew joke on Bleach 59: "Now recruiting female translators living in the area of DB headquarters. Must send naked pictures. Jews need not apply."

Continued in Naruto 161: "567,249,867 Jews argree this week's special message on Bleach was offensive."

ha! I was wondering what the message on the naruto opening meant. I must have completely missed the message at the beginning of Bleach. hmmmm...*goes back to re-watch it* :shifty


People need to calm down and not let DB get to them.

[edit:]

Ok, to everyone who is still a bit lost, here you go:


Bleach episode 59 message:
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2601/dbbleachmessage2gt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Naruto episode 161 message:
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3747/dbnarutomessage4ji.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Yamato]

It looks like that people are way to nervous, something so small and they are already getting so imposibly angry.

[Ssj3_Goku]

ROFLMAO DB scored again by ticking people off lmao.

seriously if people get offened by this but can watch shows like family guy and what not then thats just basically ignorant.....



DB STILL RULES AND ALLWAYS WILL!

[Moridin]

I didn't notice those because I don't generally watch the opening more than the first few times a new one shows.

The thing is this isn't family guy or south park, you know what you are getting when you watch those shows and everyone knows the whole thing is done in humour.

Here however it carries no relation to the show, its not what people would expect to see here and you can't really tell if its a lame attempt at humour or something serious.

it doesn't affect me but it will affect some people, those who say it won't and is 'only a joke' are those who are 'basically ignorant'

[narutosimpson]

ROFLMAO DB scored again by ticking people off lmao.

seriously if people get offened by this but can watch shows like family guy and what not then thats just basically ignorant.....



DB STILL RULES AND ALLWAYS WILL!
DB is not Family Guy or South Park, people who have watched alot of those show's already understand the sense of humor, and if they don't like it stopped watching cause it's low brow or whatever.

As far as I know it's the second time they made a joke like this and just taking a jab at people, just isn't really cool cause nobody

And for people who say well it's the internet, i can make the argument that it's even worse because it's on the internet. How many Naruto watchers can actually comprehend what makes a joke like that funny? Most Naruto watchers are pretty young, I doubt they can understand it so easily as you say.

Finally, what was so funny about that joke, like I asked before? Who is it aimed at? Is it making fun of the holocaust or ...racism? are the subbers jewish? what's the story? there's no CONTEXT for that joke. Clearly they are making fun of otherjewish or are poking fun at themselves. Don't even get me started on what's wrong with GNAA

edit: while I was typing I got distracted! Moridin you stole my thoughts :laugh

[Khemical]

I could be wrong, but I believe that was what is called a joke. Something said that wasnt meant to be taken literally, rather, said only to make someone laugh. It wasnt a funny joke, but a joke regardless. I really really really hope none of you watch Stand Up Comedy if you found THAT offensive. "Jews need not apply". Thats all that was said, there was no reason given as to why they shouldnt apply, or anything else said that could take that phrase as being negative. "Get real, you know it was meant to be racist" Is that what you're thinking? Remember, it's just a word (in this case phrase), it only means what you make it mean.

Then again I'm the kind of person who never finds anything offensive. Meh.

[narutosimpson]

I could be wrong, but I believe that was what is called a joke. Something said that wasnt meant to be taken literally, rather, said only to make someone laugh. It wasnt a funny joke, but a joke regardless. I really really really hope none of you watch Stand Up Comedy if you found THAT offensive. "Jews need not apply". Thats all that was said, there was no reason given as to why they shouldnt apply, or anything else said that could take that phrase as being negative. "Get real, you know it was meant to be racist" Is that what you're thinking? Remember, it's just a word (in this case phrase), it only means what you make it mean.

Then again I'm the kind of person who never finds anything offensive. Meh.
I watch lots of stand-up, sitcoms, comedy etc..clearly you know what a joke is, and know that wasn't a good joke, if it even was one, which you say but I don't think you can't say with 100% confidence.

Look at the phrase clearly "jews need not apply". You say you don't find things offensive, but have you ever been denied something you wanted, or even denied some respect just for being who you are, and I say this not know ing who you are. That can be very hurtful to people who have been treated badly for being jewish, black,gay,etc.

I'm not saying DB shouldn't make jokes, some of those things were funny when I used to watch. But they should learn what a joke is when you are telling it to, 200,000 or however many d/l there ep now.

[Moridin]

@khemical - the difference is that with stand up comedy you know what your getting, you can tell that everything is going to be done in humour and its generally done well.

However you don;t expect to see that sort of thing in the credits section of an anime where you can;t even be sure that its a joke.

I have no problem with humour, even that which is (in moderation) racially based when its used in the right place/time.

The problem is I think for those who take offence to it, that it is used in a completely wrong place and is being irresponsible.

"Jews need not apply". Thats all that was said, there was no reason given as to why they shouldnt apply, or anything else said that could take that phrase as being negative. "Get real, you know it was meant to be racist" Is that what you're thinking? Remember, it's just a word (in this case phrase), it only means what you make it mean.

"Get real, you know it was meant to be racist" is exactly what I'm thinking, I don't see how you can even attempt to defend that it might not have been meant to be offensive, especially considering the follow up message on naruto 161.

[Code]

What annoys me more is people saying "Don't get so uptight over it" or "DB succeeds with pissing people off." In fact the posts here annoy me a lot more than what they put by now.

Pointing out the stupidity of a bunch if immature idiots does not mean you're getting all upset over something.

I could be wrong, but I believe that was what is called a joke. Something said that wasnt meant to be taken literally, rather, said only to make someone laugh. It wasnt a funny joke, but a joke regardless. I really really really hope none of you watch Stand Up Comedy if you found THAT offensive. "Jews need not apply". Thats all that was said, there was no reason given as to why they shouldnt apply, or anything else said that could take that phrase as being negative. "Get real, you know it was meant to be racist" Is that what you're thinking? Remember, it's just a word (in this case phrase), it only means what you make it mean.

Then again I'm the kind of person who never finds anything offensive. Meh.
So I'm sure anything even murder if passed off as a joke is alright to ignore. Or even praise as some people seem to be doing. "Only a Joke" is another excuse ontop of "Only the Internet."

[Near]

That black gai pic or sig is funny, but this isnt? why because one is indirectly making fun of something, and the other is being direct?

[Amaterasu]

It shouldn't be taken seriously, seeing as,

they aren't recruting.
girls wanting to work with DB don't have to send in nude pictures.

And if you're upset about the jew comment, you should be upset about,

not recruting ugly girls.
not recruting boys.

[ChickenPotPie]

ROFLMAO DB scored again by ticking people off lmao.

seriously if people get offened by this but can watch shows like family guy and what not then thats just basically ignorant.....
DB STILL RULES AND ALLWAYS WILL!

I find that the fact that you can't tell the difference between pop culture humor and a completely unrelated statement on an anime sub funnier than DB's joke.

Besides, I remember that you defended DB on that whole "Sasuke, Amazing" debate on the subbed versions of 133, even though you were like...proved wrong, so I can probably imagine you defending anything DB does...

[Khemical]

So I'm sure anything even murder if passed off as a joke is alright to ignore. Or even praise as some people seem to be doing. "Only a Joke" is another excuse ontop of "Only the Internet."


The difference to your little theory here is the worst case scenario is if someone takes that joke the wrong way (which people obviously are) then feel offended. It's just words, like I said, you yourself determine how you feel after reading those words. Comparing reading words as a joke (and it clearly is a joke, even though a racist one at that) vs comparing murder passed off as a joke are 2 things that arent even in the same ballpark. A person can just as easily be offended reading the word bitch, damn, hell, or any other curse word, yet people dont flip out over it. DB makes a joke (again, a terrible one at that) that does imply racism but clearly doesnt direclty state anything).

The please send in naked pictures part alone obviously means it's a joke, no one, NO ONE can honestly read that and think they are being serious. That still doesnt mean it's appropriate to throw in that comment, no doubt. I'm not defneding DB in anyway. One, they could have put a joke up that was actually funny. And two, a joke can be perfectly funny without any swearing or racist comments. Still, I can't help but question how much people would care if that same exact phrase was used with a different gender and or race.


@khemical - the difference is that with stand up comedy you know what your getting, you can tell that everything is going to be done in humour and its generally done well.

However you don;t expect to see that sort of thing in the credits section of an anime where you can;t even be sure that its a joke.

I have no problem with humour, even that which is (in moderation) racially based when its used in the right place/time.

The problem is I think for those who take offence to it, that it is used in a completely wrong place and is being irresponsible.



"Get real, you know it was meant to be racist" is exactly what I'm thinking, I don't see how you can even attempt to defend that it might not have been meant to be offensive, especially considering the follow up message on naruto 161.


I understand that, and you are right, in a place where it's totally unexpected it would raise the question of whether they were being serious or not. But in all honesty, reading please send in naked pics should instantly be a dead giveaway that it's a joke. I didnt watch Naruto 161, I have no clue what was said, that could totally change my viewpoint depending on what was said. However, what was said was without a doubt clearly a joke, the Jews need not apply was directly reffering to sending in naked pics for a job which was a joke, which raises the question how serious should we take that comment?

I'll butt out of this one, I'm the kind of person who can get called every racial slur in the book and I would laugh at it, I've never heard a joke that has made me felt uneasy or offended. I've always seen it as it's nothing but words, it means only what you make it mean. Theres no point in me trying to argue against or defend something I cannot understand.

[Code]

The difference to your little theory here is the worst case scenario is if someone takes that joke the wrong way (which people obviously are) then feel offended. It's just words, like I said, you yourself determine how you feel after reading those words. Comparing reading words as a joke (and it clearly is a joke, even though a racist one at that) vs comparing murder passed off as a joke are 2 things that arent even in the same ballpark. A person can just as easily be offended reading the word bitch, damn, hell, or any other curse word, yet people dont flip out over it. DB makes a joke (again, a terrible one at that) that does imply racism but clearly doesnt direclty state anything).

The please send in naked pictures part alone obviously means it's a joke, no one, NO ONE can honestly read that and think they are being serious. That still doesnt mean it's appropriate to throw in that comment, no doubt. I'm not defneding DB in anyway. One, they could have put a joke up that was actually funny. And two, a joke can be perfectly funny without any swearing or racist comments. Still, I can't help but question how much people would care if that same exact phrase was used with a different gender and or race.

I understand that, and you are right, in a place where it's totally unexpected it would raise the question of whether they were being serious or not. But in all honesty, reading please send in naked pics should instantly be a dead giveaway that it's a joke. I didnt watch Naruto 161, I have no clue what was said, that could totally change my viewpoint depending on what was said. However, what was said was without a doubt clearly a joke, the Jews need not apply was directly reffering to sending in naked pics for a job.

Rregardless of if they're being serious or not, doesn't take out their display of a certain hate and very very annoying "popular" bashing of Jews. (They constnatly due it as I've noted when their irc channel used to be open and I was on there. As I also pointed out another form of racism present in the people of the groups in a earlier post. Racists would obviously joke about whatever they hate in an offending way....). So it doesn' tmatter if it's a joke or not. Jews need not apply was obviously poking fun at Jews.

So regardless of if its serious or wheter they're racist or not(I couldn't care less), it was still a stupid joke. Of course by labelling an offensive joke as stupid, people who may share their opinion on that matter will obviously insult those who "Take it seriously." (Or in other words, not find it funny, because we all know we all have to share the same tasteless humor as you.)

[Feri]

well this makes DB the coolest Fansubing group out there. Coz i dont know any other group who makes jokes like that in there fansubs.

ps. DB is not nazi...

[Khemical]

So regardless of if its serious or wheter they're racist or not(I couldn't care less), it was still a stupid joke. Of course by labelling an offensive joke as stupid, people who may share their opinion on that matter will obviously insult those who "Take it seriously." (Or in other words, not find it funny, because we all know we all have to share the same tasteless humor as you.)


DB makes a joke (again, a terrible one at that) that does imply racism but clearly doesnt direclty state anything).

The please send in naked pictures part alone obviously means it's a joke, no one, NO ONE can honestly read that and think they are being serious. That still doesnt mean it's appropriate to throw in that comment, no doubt. I'm not defneding DB in anyway. One, they could have put a joke up that was actually funny. And two, a joke can be perfectly funny without any swearing or racist comments.

Yep, thats my tasteless humor, not only did I state several times their joke was not funny and hinted racism, but you apparantly arent bright enough to read that, and in turn toss in a nice comment at the end. Bravo, I applaud you. Free tip, if you're going to insult someone, at least make sure you dont contradict yourself doing it.

[Shogun]

how many jews have actually complained on this thread?

[Megaharrison]

Odd considering DB once translated Naruto episodes in Hebrew. Ah well I think they thought people would laugh at racism...

I'm Jewish, and don't see the big deal. They're just being morons.

[Shogun]

fair enough, just thought since jews were the butt of the joke they should say whether it was offensive or not.

[Code]

Yep, thats my tasteless humor, not only did I state several times their joke was not funny and hinted racism, but you apparantly arent bright enough to read that, and in turn toss in a nice comment at the end. Bravo, I applaud you. Free tip, if you're going to insult someone, at least make sure you dont contradict yourself doing it.
Well I guess I overlooked that, but regardless it doesn't really change my point at all. It was also a general statement, I stated in my post that I found "all"(not "Khemical's") posts saying that "You're(not referring to Khemical) stupid for taking it to seroius" and so on.


...people who may share their opinion on that matter will obviously insult those who "Take it seriously." (Or in other words, not find it funny, because we all know we all have to share the same tasteless humor as you.)
Though I may have mislead you (as in Khemical) in using the word you(using it as a word and not referring to someone). Call it a mistake even.

But point out when I contradicted myslef.

[jonat3]

how many jews have actually complained on this thread?

None that i have seen. Funny. It seems that jews don't even think it's worth their attention, while all the non-jewish people are in a fit.

Personally, i don't care what their intent was, joke or genuine raciscm. We already live in a world with people who get offended way too easily (and sue you for it). Please don't make this any bigger than it is.

If anyone has a right to complain, it's the Jews, but i don't seem to hear them. I say, follow their example and stop the hussy fit.

[Khemical]

But point out when I contradicted myslef.

So regardless of if its serious or wheter they're racist or not(I couldn't care less), it was still a stupid joke. Of course by labelling an offensive joke as stupid, people who may share their opinion on that matter will obviously insult those who "Take it seriously." (Or in other words, not find it funny, because we all know we all have to share the same tasteless humor as you.)


My tasteless humor shares the same thoughts as you. With racism aside, the joke wasn't funny. Insulting yourself along with me kind of beats the point of an insult. Of course that completely changes with your last post saying it was a generalized statement, surely you can see the confusion, quoting me and using the word "you". No worries.

[Code]

Well I still don't see how I contradicted myself....

Looking at the context it was used in, say the words I used to start the sentence, should make it obvious. But as I said, a simple mistake.

And insulting myself as long with you? I don't recall insulting anybody at all in my previous posts before that.

[narutosimpson]

None that i have seen. Funny. It seems that jews don't even think it's worth their attention, while all the non-jewish people are in a fit.

Personally, i don't care what their intent was, joke or genuine raciscm. We already live in a world with people who get offended way too easily (and sue you for it). Please don't make this any bigger than it is.

If anyone has a right to complain, it's the Jews, but i don't seem to hear them. I say, follow their example and stop the hussy fit.

Well jewish people may not be saying anything, it doesn't matter to me. I was INFURIATED during the GNAA thing, like I said a million times. At that time very few people said much about that. I did send a message to the NF admins, but they were like, it's just a joke.

But when they are doing it again and this time a different group, I find it's a PATTERN, yes you may have heard this type of wording before: A PATTERN OF RACISM. So now jewish people aren't complaining like you've observed. Well, maybe NF people just don't complain that much about things like this, but I noticed that offensive pattern and I speak out against it.

And for you guys saying that "Oh you can't get a joke, blah blah blah" , trust me if you ever work in a place with people different from you, and you run off at the mouth with dumb jokes like these, your ass will probably be fired so quick, you will have burned boot marks on it. In the professional world this stuff doesn't fly.

[jonat3]

Even if they are racist, i think this matter is far too trivial to waste our time and energy on it. I have to agree on one thing though. If you do a thing like this once, it'll be ignored. More than once and people will get irritated. I don't mind this very much, i ignore it, since i don't really care what they think anyways, i only want to enjoy the ep. But i do understand that people may get annoyed if such a lameass "joke" gets repeated way too often.

[Feathers!]

compassion(com·pas·sion)-Deep awareness of the suffering of another coupled with the wish to relieve it.

Those who say that people should lighten up are off base on this one... who are you to tell someone what offends them.

Even if they get over it the next second, why should anyone be put down while trying to relax and watch some Naruto or Bleach.

DB shouldve either apologized or let the whole thing go... instead they write another, dry half witted comment on another episode. They do great subs so id expect those guys to identify with fellow anime watchers, regardless of race.

Im just disappointed.

[ichinii30]

Then just don't read the "joke"

[tun]

Those kind of things just aren't relevent to the content at hand. Like others at have already said, this isn't South Park or Family Guy. And it's also irresponsible because there are impressionable young viewers of the show that download DB because they're the only ones doing it. DB puts out a great product, but it's really pathetic that they use it to voice their dumb ignorant beliefs. I've grown up with a lot of Jewish kids and I laugh whenever I see dumbass people online who've probably never even met a Jewish person in their life go off and spew out ignorant stereotypes. By doing these "Jew jokes", they are making it seem like it's acceptable to behave this way.

[pakku]

I agree, it was a little bit over the top, but no big deal. I wouldn't expect to see many more of these kinds of jokes from them after people raising a fuss.

We all knew Bleach was antisemitic anyway (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=69143) (spoilers for those not caught up with the anime, I guess).

[tunaman]

I am Jewish and I really not offended by this. I did not see this joke since I alsways skip the intro of bleach and I am a little behind in Naruto because of the fillers.

In retrospect I think it makes DB looks like idoits. First of all you should not put a joke that might offended anyone like that in a translation unless its really really funny and the attended auidances are manly adults(still then it is not to smart to make a joke to a group of people). Second of all it was a really lousy joke. Come on an ugly joke and then just naming us after numbers (I can see how people can get offended by this). Another problem with this joke it can be direct to any group of people, unlike a typical most racial jokes.

But in the end i have to agree with some of the other poster in that it is not the right place to put that joke and in the end lose respect to DB and will probably not download bleach from them for quite a bit of time.

[Thanatopsis123]

"At the end of each week, Chuck Norris murders a dozen white people just to prove he isn't a racist."

Amazingly appropriate for this thread.

[Code]

"At the end of each week, Chuck Norris murders a dozen white people just to prove he isn't a racist."

Amazingly appropriate for this thread.
I really find "One or two or even every single person of [Insert race being targeted] isn't offended so that means the comment wasn't retarded/stupid/idoitic/racist/etc...." type of statements invalid.

[narutosimpson]

I agree, it was a little bit over the top, but no big deal. I wouldn't expect to see many more of these kinds of jokes from them after people raising a fuss.

We all knew Bleach was antisemitic anyway (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=69143) (spoilers for those not caught up with the anime, I guess).
pakku!! that's way off base, that thread doesn't prove anti-semitism, it doesn't prove anything, thats the buddhist swastika discussion we had a while ago!!! :laugh OMFG I'M GONNA HAVE A HEART ATTAK :laugh

[Moridin]

I think he was being sarcastic :P

[ChickenPotPie]

Then just don't read the "joke"

...That's not even the problem. The fact of the matter is DB put the joke on their anime sub, which could go to just about anyone, even little children or who else. With that, they're encouraging that this kind of behavior is tolerable.

It's not my place to tell them what should belong on their sub or not, but I still have my opinion on it. It'd be better if they did that crap somewhere else.

[Flazh]

Why is it that everyone on the internet has an opinion on EVERYTHING?

Perhaps you all haven't noticed that DB ALWAYS put a joke at the start of the anime. We all know its coming, its not as if suddenly out of the blue one day they put some writing at the end of the intro... "whats this?" you say... OH MY GOD! Its an often used joke at the expense of someone else! Call Interpol, ring the president! We have an internet-ional crisis on our hands!

It is a dark day for humanity this day.

By the way, try living in a mixed commumunity and you will find that little digs like this do not offend anyone except people who are willing to be offended. I live with more racially and culturally different people than anyone else I know, and I definately don't think that the Jew comment, in this day and age was offensive.

If you found the joke offensive, you probably found 'Hot coffee' in GTA:SA offensive too...

[batanga]

DB's joke was so maddox:

"Jew joke on Bleach 59: "Now recruiting female translators living in the area of DB headquarters. Must send naked pictures. Jews need not apply."

Continued in Naruto 161: "567,249,867 Jews argree this week's special message on Bleach was offensive."

And I think that´s the reason they made it. Only those who know maddox are gonna "get it." It was a homage. <lol, omgwtf, it was a maddox joke again

Well, I don´t think it´s that big of a deal.

[ChickenPotPie]

By the way, try living in a mixed commumunity and you will find that little digs like this do not offend anyone except people who are willing to be offended. I live with more racially and culturally different people than anyone else I know, and I definately don't think that the Jew comment, in this day and age was offensive.

Well, I live in San Francisco, one of the most diverse cities in the world, and I've seen times where "little digs like this" turned into a giant debate/fight like this one. I don't think you should speak so generally.
I'm not offended, But like narutosimpson said, there's no context to it, it makes you think what the hell is that doing there in the first place.

Code was right about this though. The messages telling you, "quiet, it isn't offensive!" is more annoying that the actual joke itself. Why are you making such a big deal out of everyone else thinking that DB had crossed the line? You can't really change how people feel.

[Squall Leonhart]

Well, as a jew who's a non-religious believer, I found this 'joke' quite offensive.

I don't need an excuse for proving that this 'joke' was really a bad one, you can't prove it, it's a matter of opinion, but just the feeling that it bothered me a little is enough.
A simple guy who wants to enjoy another fine episode of Bleach starts the episode with a racist 'joke'? this isn't right.
I knew that I'm not the only person who would complain about it, there's alot of other ppl who complain aswell - it means that something is wrong with that kind of 'joke'.
DB, could have been a little more mature and responsible before they decided to add it.

[Shishou]

I'm a Jew, and I don't fucking care.

Now STFU, all of you.

[Avgac]

^same!!!!!

[Bobcat1]

if they are jewish themselves, then it's about as unracist as a black person calling black people "niggers".
And if I'm right they also translated into Hebrew, so it could be quite possible.

[Kabuto_o]

I will never understand why some people, even the ones who are always unserious and annoying, get so serious over every joke about races. I never thought people as different groups, i've always thought from the perspective where humans are the same being.

If someone was writing on the internet, or screaming in the town every bad thing about white people they could possibly know, only an idiot gets angry. It's another story if they insulted you directly. I would just think what an idiot it is and probably have a hard time trying to hold back before I laugh and i'm considered a serious person.

[Takuza]

I don't get...jsut don't watch there fansubs. you know they are joking. If you cna't take there joke stop watching what they do. the only reason to be OFFENED would be if you think they are serious.

[Dimezanime20]

ok, I read this thread. So where did the black and gay joke come in?

[Code]

I don't get...jsut don't watch there fansubs. you know they are joking. If you cna't take there joke stop watching what they do. the only reason to be OFFENED would be if you think they are serious.
As long as its a joke, everything can easily be brushed off? The fact that they make a joke like that only makes them more stupid...

[narutosimpson]

Did anybody see "apprentice" last night? The guy is making a presentation in a board room with his teammate, makes a jewish joke about the teammate during the presentation that's way out of left field. Everybody's sitting there with a wtf just happened look on there face. Same thing.

Bobcat, they translate to many languages, which obviously means some hebrew speaker as well as other language speakers are there.

WB Dimez, go to DB's website where u usually d/l there torrents, and at the very bottom u will find a link called "GNAA" click this. If you are a "thrower", you might want to tie yourself to the chair before looking at it :laugh

[The Kyubi]

I'm suprised that so many people can't take a joke. it is a sad day indeed.

[Dimezanime20]

Kyubi, did you check out that GNAA shyt? What the fuck!

[Wing-Zero]

db is great at pissing people off and they enjoy so meh get over it

[The Kyubi]

what GNAA?

[The Kyubi]

whatever it is i'm not going to get worked up over it.

[Dimezanime20]

go to DB's bittorrent page and go all the way to the bottom and click on the link of the people that are supporting them, GNAA.

[The Kyubi]

yo i have no clue what that's about. i'm just as confused as u r. i mean wow. i'm not offended or anything but wow. on the plus side, they donated to katrina victims.

[fuzzywasheshe]

WELL.. why arnt we calling them sexist
-cute females
i feal this is overrated but plz tell me why not sexist? realy y not

[crazymtf]

I found it funny, guys chill out :)

[narutosimpson]

i'm sorry, but this is a "discussion thread" and we tolerate all discussion on the topic, wether you agree with somebody's view or not, but please don't try to convince people not to discuss. Clearly this thread is to talk about the joke. We aren't gonna fix DB or the world in this thread, just voice our opinion on things. That's not aimed at anybody in particular.

[onewithchaos]

i wasnt offended by the joke but i can see why ppl could be. yea, DB should change their type of humor but meh.

[AssFace]

You need to lighten up, if people are offended then just don't watch it. I laughed my ass off at that one. Seriously if you don't like them there are also lunar bleachsociety and all those subs. I can take a joke they can make fun of my back ground all they want, it's just a joke.

I'd be so happy if DB started subbing one piece too, because DB is by far the fastest, accurate, and consistent subbers out there.

[xeno]

I wasn't really offended , but didn't find it funny either. But as far as the joke, I though that the special messege on Naruto was referring to how ichigo's hilt looks like a backwards, flat, swastika :redface (another debate for another time)

[hitori78]

Okay ppl lets be real, if you are considerate of other ppl's feelings then you would be at least annoyed by that bs db has been doing, but also ask yourselves this, how many of the ppl complaining are still downloading from them. I happen to be both black and gay but it doesn't mean I'm bitching about it, look many companies tommy hilfiger... (hell I can't spell it but you know what I mean) have made their share of "racial" comments but you still see ppl wearing their shit. I don't give a damn what DB says because I'm still getting free anime, look at it this way ppl, this is the internet and most ppl don't have the balls to say those kinds of things to our faces so they hide behind their monitors....if that doesn't give you any piece of mind then I suggest you black list db and find another way to download bleach and naruto, if I recall there's more than one way to do it...

[Dimezanime20]

Okay ppl lets be real, if you are considerate of other ppl's feelings then you would be at least annoyed by that bs db has been doing, but also ask yourselves this, how many of the ppl complaining are still downloading from them. I happen to be both black and gay but it doesn't mean I'm bitching about it, look many companies tommy hilfiger... (hell I can't spell it but you know what I mean) have made their share of "racial" comments but you still see ppl wearing their shit. I don't give a damn what DB says because I'm still getting free anime, look at it this way ppl, this is the internet and most ppl don't have the balls to say those kinds of things to our faces so they hide behind their monitors....if that doesn't give you any piece of mind then I suggest you black list db and find another way to download bleach and naruto, if I recall there's more than one way to do it...

Great speech.:D

[The Kyubi]

I thought it was funny too. I think people are taking the joke way to seriously.

[Takuza]

As long as its a joke, everything can easily be brushed off?

:oh Thats excatly what I am saying. :oh :oh

[Code]

Guy 1:*Guy kills a guy
Guy 1:"Hey look it's a joke!"
Guy 2:"Oh, well alright."
Guy 3:"That was bad!"
Guy 2:"You are a dumbass, it's a joke. Stop taking it waaay too seriously."
Guy 3:"But it was a stupid joke."
GUy 2:"There's no such thing as a stupid joke. The guy was also the same race as me and even my family member. Just becuase of that, becuase I. every other member of my race and family didn't mind, it was all right to do."

[Negative-Ion]

DB is just provoking people, they just want to see how all you react, and that i find funny lol.

[Wing-Zero]

Come on it's a joke, db even fansubs in hebrew. So if they really hated jews I don't think that would be happening so get over it, it's a joke.

[debbiechan]

Jew here. Love DB subs for their speed and quality. Saw the joke. Figured it for a joke from the way it started "send naked pictures to..." Didn't get the Jew part and tried to make sense of it having to do with the old jokes about frigid Jewish females or circumcized Jewish males and after working my brain for all about fifty seconds, I shrugged it off. I figured I didn't know the context.

Now that I know DB has subbed into Hebrew--well, there you go. Someone there's a Jew and we love to poke fun at ourselves.

No biggie.

[narutosimpson]

yeah, that's fine, you can shrug it off, you are really cool!

But you are missing the point, add the jew joke to that gay n*gger joke and things don't look so sweet then do they? Does DB make a gay n*gger sub?

I 'm gonna keep on dogging DB cause they have a habit of making weird jokes hidden behind thier monitors. I mean get real, you probably can't even go outside of your house and make jokes like these! you would probably get socked

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ guh.. you are just using this because you are a DB hater and alunar lover... TIMES CHANGE MUHAHAHAHAH!

[Jink]

quite possibly they said "jews need not apply" because all of them are jewish and they hope to see maybe a catholic or homosexual negro be part of the DB crew.

[Bobcat1]

i like the person who compared this to murder... murder is someone playing god.. saying something racist is just something that offends ppl now because of past happenings. it's actually a really bad comparison imo.

Someone in DB translates to Hebrew, if he made the joke, then he is doing what hundreds of stand up comedians do, make fun of themselves.. if it was done by someone else, it could have been to annoy him.. that's something we'll never know. But yes most of you should probably lighten-up, it's not like murder and should be taken as a joke as DB are always constantly pulling pranks. If you didn't like it, thats fine, if you were offended, that's fine.. but I bet everyone who got offended will still download their subs, even tho BS and Lunar release at least a week after it's shown.

[Smitty]

I always love it how the non Jews are upset over this, but the jews are not. Fucking people, get a life. If the jews mind it, then DB will have e-mails shoved up their asses and will get the point.

IF YOU'RE NOT A FUCKING JEW, THEN DON'T FUCKING COMPLAIN!

Jesus Christ (OMG I HOPE NO CHRISTIANS COME AFTER ME FOR THAT!), I pity those who actually care about this shit...its the 21st century! The shit that happened in the past, is in the past! If someone doesn't like jews, then good for them! It ISNT THE MAJORITY! And if someone wants to state they don't like them, then they HAVE THAT RIGHT AS A PERSON WITH FREEDOM OF CHOICE!

Who the hell are you to tell them they can't do that? Are they hurting anyone? NO! Some Jews might think "what an ass", but its the same as some asshole on the street coming up to me and saying "Dude, you're a fucking prick/Asshole/ugly bitch/whatever unsult you want".

NO ONE GIVES A DAMN EXCEPT THOSE WHO FEEL THEY NEED TO STAND UP FOR THOSE WHO DON'T NEED STANDING UP FOR!


Anyways...I'm drunk, and tired...So fuck off all of you, and have a nice day. If you still have a problem with DB, then fucking e-mail them about it! Don't post your shit on here trying to get support! NO ONE GIVES A DAMN!

[bluewolf]

personaly i think some of you have sand in your coletive vaginas. relax. there is a difference between the insensitive joke and malicious racisim.

[Quoll]

I always love it how the non Jews are upset over this, but the jews are not. Fucking people, get a life. If the jews mind it, then DB will have e-mails shoved up their asses and will get the point.

IF YOU'RE NOT A FUCKING JEW, THEN DON'T FUCKING COMPLAIN!

Jesus Christ (OMG I HOPE NO CHRISTIANS COME AFTER ME FOR THAT!), I pity those who actually care about this shit...its the 21st century! The shit that happened in the past, is in the past! If someone doesn't like jews, then good for them! It ISNT THE MAJORITY! And if someone wants to state they don't like them, then they HAVE THAT RIGHT AS A PERSON WITH FREEDOM OF CHOICE!

Who the hell are you to tell them they can't do that? Are they hurting anyone? NO! Some Jews might think "what an ass", but its the same as some asshole on the street coming up to me and saying "Dude, you're a fucking prick/Asshole/ugly bitch/whatever unsult you want".

NO ONE GIVES A DAMN EXCEPT THOSE WHO FEEL THEY NEED TO STAND UP FOR THOSE WHO DON'T NEED STANDING UP FOR!


Anyways...I'm drunk, and tired...So fuck off all of you, and have a nice day. If you still have a problem with DB, then fucking e-mail them about it! Don't post your shit on here trying to get support! NO ONE GIVES A DAMN!

I'll start by saying i'm not a jew. Did I know it was a joke? Yes. Did I find what they did offensive? Yes. Why? Because racial intolerance offends me. I know we come from different backgrounds and have different perspectives on these things but you and others need to realize that when some wants to voice their opinion they'll make it heard just like DB can put dumbass jokes like that on a sub and have them read, just like a lot of you who don't seem to give a damn want to come in and tell us that we should feel like you just because you feel that way. When you've experienced racism firsthand, jokes like those take on a whole new meaning. They become insults meant for the entertainment of others. And as much as we would all like to forget the racism that is unfortunately part of our heritage, it would be foolish. It's a bit closer to home for me because I have been descriminated against and my parents were a part of the civil rights movement so I see the scars of that struggle on a daily basis. I'm not gonna ask anyone here to change there minds. If you're not offended, then don't be. But don't tell us to get over and forget our pasts because it would make you happier. Also saying that a racial insult is the same as being called an asshole isn't even close. When someone calls you an asshole/bitch/whatever, its probably based on your behavior. When someone insults you based on race they aren't making a character judgement, they're saying that you are lower than them because of an uncontrollable thing like your skin color or racial descent.

End rant, sorry for any tangents I may have run off on.

[crystal-kay]

I just don't get the joke, although it is funny. XD

[Soluzar]

I don't think it was the funniest joke in the world, and I don't think it's very appropriate, but it's not going to stop me downloading DB subs, because I'm not aware of any other reasonably good sub group who are doing the current episodes of Naruto...

I'm surprised y'all haven't heard of the GNAA before, though... they have a long, and illustrious history of moronic trolling. They aren't a race-hate group, though... not unless they hate white folk. You have to be both homosexual and black to "join" so I don't see how their "support" can be used as "proof" that Dattebayo Fansubs are predjudiced against black people, or gay people.

In short, DB have a weird sense of humour, of which I do not approve, but I don't believe that they are a group of predjudiced people.

[Thanatopsis123]

Spectator #1: Outrageous! How dare he say such blasphemy! I've got to do something!
Spectator #2: Bob, there's nothing you can do.
Spectator #1: Well, I guess I'll just have to develop a sense of humor.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Utz]

>> STOP with the usage of extreme words at a constant rate (hello at narutosimpson). If this thread gets out-of-hand, I'm trashing it.

[RAGING BONER]

i fucked a Jew chik once...i didn't find her offensive.

[Chas3265]

I thought it was fuckin' funny. Dattebayo kicks ass!

[crazymtf]

I always love it how the non Jews are upset over this, but the jews are not. Fucking people, get a life. If the jews mind it, then DB will have e-mails shoved up their asses and will get the point.

IF YOU'RE NOT A FUCKING JEW, THEN DON'T FUCKING COMPLAIN!

Jesus Christ (OMG I HOPE NO CHRISTIANS COME AFTER ME FOR THAT!), I pity those who actually care about this shit...its the 21st century! The shit that happened in the past, is in the past! If someone doesn't like jews, then good for them! It ISNT THE MAJORITY! And if someone wants to state they don't like them, then they HAVE THAT RIGHT AS A PERSON WITH FREEDOM OF CHOICE!

Who the hell are you to tell them they can't do that? Are they hurting anyone? NO! Some Jews might think "what an ass", but its the same as some asshole on the street coming up to me and saying "Dude, you're a fucking prick/Asshole/ugly bitch/whatever unsult you want".

NO ONE GIVES A DAMN EXCEPT THOSE WHO FEEL THEY NEED TO STAND UP FOR THOSE WHO DON'T NEED STANDING UP FOR!


Anyways...I'm drunk, and tired...So fuck off all of you, and have a nice day. If you still have a problem with DB, then fucking e-mail them about it! Don't post your shit on here trying to get support! NO ONE GIVES A DAMN!

I agree! Who gives two shits? It's words and people if you got out more then you know it's words that you can just ignor...

[ChickenPotPie]

Well believe it or not, some people aren't as strong as you.

[jonat3]

Well believe it or not, some people aren't as strong as you.

That's why they should stop whining and start getting stronger. Weakness is no excuse.

[gumzz]

This is the Internet, if you takes stuff like this seriously you should really cancel your subscription with your ISP and sell your computer.

You all care about this stuff way to much, your like a frelling soccer mom in the US. As soon as she see's a nipple on TV she freaks (Like Kyle's mom in South Park). For Fuck Sake, lighten up !


I really wish it wasnt dubbed soccer moms :sad they make a great sport like football look terrible... maybe baseball moms? :smile-big

[yo586]

Well listen I was gonna stay away from this whole sob story but now that people are being ridiculous I will join.

I am a Jew. I have no problem with non Jews being offended. Please do! The joke would have been funny if I knew it to be a joke. But bottom line is, too many times people think Jew jokes are "just jokes" then all of a sudden jews are getting killed again. And I am not JUST talking holocaust proportions.

So people like me have to watch our backs to an extent, and having a whole bunch of you kids tell the people who are offended not to be --well you have no right.

As for not taking things seriously . . . I'm sorry but I've been taught that no joke should be taken too lightly (unless from a friend you know doesn't mean it). This is because jokes tend to evolve into worse things either from the joker or the idiots who see it and think its serious.

So don't tell us to lighten up, DB should at least post something saying it was just a joke. Until they do, it matters, it was a bad idea, and thank every nonJew for complaining.

______

Oh and Smitty, I'm sorry, but that entire post of yours breathed moron. What does the 21st century have to do with anything. Take a look around bro, anti-semitism is on the rise. . . again. France, for example, it IS the majority to hate Jews. Hate crimes are all around. Don't YOU talk like you know anything about it, don't get righteously angry because people are offended. Learn something first, and don't post drunk.

[TDW]

I say, if you got a problem with their dumb joke then instead of ranting about it here, which in fact gets absolutely nothing accomplished except to show people how much you like to whine and bitch about stupid things.

It was a joke, it was in bad taste I wont disagree with that, but its still a joke. If you want something done then talk to DB, because I really doubt writing your little opinnions in this forum is going to make a rats ass of a difference.

EDIT

Oh yeah, almost forgot..they even made a joke about how it was in bad taste in Naruto, so you know they intended it as a crappy joke.

[Moridin]

I wasn;t planning on returning to this thread after some of the 'rants' people made about offence being taken.

I say, if you got a problem with their dumb joke then instead of ranting about it here, which in fact gets absolutely nothing accomplished except to show people how much you like to whine and bitch about stupid things.

nobody has ranted about it, its been bought forward and on the most part been discussed calmly. The only ranting has been done by people who try to squash other peoples opinions when they try telling others to learn to take things as a joke etc and that they need to grow up/be stronger.

[Pentangled]

I am not Jewish although my room mate is... I wouldn't say he was offended by the joke, he just thought it was stupid. Lots of people make jokes about race... just look at anything on Comedy central. Some people seem to think it makes a difference if the joke is about thier race, maybe it is. The problem is that no one can see what the person who made the "joke" looks like. Would anyone here be less offended by DB if they were all Jewish? If so... why?

[TDW]

This is exactly what Im talking about. I cant believe Im using that stupid commercial as a reference here, but there used to be these commercials that went on about how people just sat around and discussed things forever, discussing if they should do something about a stupid problem, be it a piece of litter (if someone should pick it up), or turn off the off the sink (becuase someone left it on).

If you are going to say over and over again that they shouldnt have made that joke, and going to say that they need to apologize, then demand them to. Im not trying to squash anybodies opinnions,

Im saying that if you want something done, then do something. But if you are just going to sit here and say how much if offends you for what reason, then nothing is going to be done. That is the point that I made, and am making. That is one of the major problems these days, people saying how much stuff effects them, how much it hurts them to see this stuff done. Well, then instead of just stating it, do something to change it. Many people have, but an even greater number havent.

That is what Im saying. Im not saying to grow up, be stronger, since there is shit that can offend anybody. The point is how are you going to let it effect you? You can yell, you can complain, or you can just ask calmly for an apology (if thats what you really want, which in my opinnion wouldnt make a difference since its someone behind a monitor, who cares), but whatever. This isnt really a debate thread, so thats why I brought up this point, this isnt like politics where different views can be taken in certain ways, this is either if offends you or not. Thats what Ive been seeing thus far.

Sorry, typed quite a bit here, was just working on something for class that sort of goes with this, so thats why I sort of got involved. Have a good day all.

[yo586]

Hey demonwithin I agree with you, I wrote to DB asking them what was up with their comment and fully intended upon staying out of this little convo here. But once someone comes along saying no one should be offended, and that jewish people aren't, I felt inclined to tell that person he is very wrong.

[narutosimpson]

I was also staying away from the topic for a bit, so as to not weight it down too much with my own opinions. But there's not really a need to stay away, just cause it's a little controversial or whatever, everybody has there own opinions on it , if they even have it at all.

Also I got a finger pointed at me about Extreme words, I didn't really get.

I also had sent a message to DB or GNAA's site once, but I never expected a response or them to take action. DB seems to do what they feel like.

[Code]

I really don't see how thinking something is bad is letting it affect you anymore than actually thinking its funny... as agreeing with something (well being humored by it is more on the agreeing side) is actually letting it get to you more and more likely affecting you...

But I guess it's the same deal with when someone praises something constantly, then they criticize it even a tad bit. You get a bunch of fanboys jumping down that person's throat saying "Why did you bother putting your opinion?!" Appearantly the internet is created only for positive comments... And any somewhat negative comment is either trolling or "taking the internet too seriously."

[SeruraRenge]

Well, DB has created controversy yet again, by converting all of 59's dialouge into black slang for a 60 fakesub
http://yhbt.mine.nu/t/

[tripperdan99]

I'm actually glad DB exposed themselves like that. At one point I had way too much respect for them and had foolishly expressed that in another forum. I'm glad I was set straight.

Most folks, when they dwell excessively on the internet, suffer from a sort of social autism. Much like a timid lady getting crazy in an car, when people hover in forums they begin to expose their lack of social IQ. DB is no different.

With DB it's simply them being themselves, that's fine and I encourage them to never stop. Though, to me, it's also DB letting me know that they are not much more than a two bit whore and should be treated as such.

td99

[narutosimpson]

Well, DB has created controversy yet again, by converting all of 59's dialouge into black slang for a 60 fakesub
http://yhbt.mine.nu/t/

I agree tripperdan. DB has really shown themselves to be classless. I even have suspicions that they are a hate group, or just hateful.

It's sad that they are attaching there ugly name and antics to other people's good creations, namely Naruto and Bleach. And then expose younger people to things that they can't really place into any context, even if they think they understand it.

It's like, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. You only need to say stupid things a few times before you are written off as an idiot by most people.

Oh well, enough, I'm not interested in them anymore

[Flazh]

IMO the whole concept of race is outdated these days anyway.

Also, the only people offended by this kinda thing aren't secure with themselves. They must feel that somehow they are wrong. Why not just fight fire with fire and write bad things about DB in your signatures or whatever. I'm sure that there will be about as much notice of them as there is the DB jokes. ...and its not a lot.

[Efraim Longstocking]

I found the joke kinda funny.. I missed the jew part :/

I'm not one to take this sort of jokes hard. People tend to overreact at racist jokes. Especially jews seem to be taboo because 'they've gone through so much'.

Oh btw. Jews suck. :oh

[Red Alastor]

I agree tripperdan. DB has really shown themselves to be classless. I even have suspicions that they are a hate group, or just hateful.

Ever hear of Hanlon's Razor ? It states : "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Until they prove that they aren't just stupid, I'll assume they are.

It's sad that they are attaching there ugly name and antics to other people's good creations, namely Naruto and Bleach.

I don't think so. I didn't enjoyed those anime any less with the comments. Beside, they are bringing fast quality subs, so they are helping, IMHO.

And then expose younger people to things that they can't really place into any context, even if they think they understand it.

I think you are underestimating kids.

It's like, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. You only need to say stupid things a few times before you are written off as an idiot by most people.

I think almost everyone agree with you here. But many of us think they are useful idiots.

This whole thing reminds me something that happen in my province (Quebec) a few weeks ago. There is a psychiatrist who likes to shock people for fun and profit (radio and TV shows will pay big money for those people love to hate) who participated in a talk show. At some point in it, he said that studies proved that the average IQ of black and natives was lower than whites. Every other guest on the show immediately told him it was stupid (some in polite terms, some not).

This started a huge controversy. People started to whine about how our national TV should have censored this filth from their TV show and how bad it would be awful in school for black kids and how racism toward black was wrong and so on. You could hear about this incident every day on TV for more than a week.

In the next show, two blacks were invited. One that quit his job because he was working with the psychiatrist on another TV show and one that is a popular singer. The singer told that he was happy that it has been said on TV. He said that because we are one of the less racist society on earth we tend to forget that racist still exists among us. He talked about death threats he received because he is black. He said that seing idiots like that make people realize they exists. So it was a good thing. He also said that what shocked him was that nobody cared about natives who were also insulted by the comment.

And what I think about all that is that I don't want a society where free speech means that you are free to say what I like to hear. And I also like that quote that says "If you are offended, you deserve to be."

"Offended" is a vague, meaningless word and I hate it. And if someone think it's not, please define it for me (and exemples aren't enough). If someone can't define what bothers him/her with another more meaningful word, then his/her opinion isn't worth much.

[jonat3]

All this arguing wether it was a joke or not, IMO it's besides the point. Words are just words and need to be ignored. Even today, nazis still exists, and we know for sure they spout racist stuff, yet they are ignored. A good thing too, cause when you pay attention to them, they gain power. IMO, that's why terrorist activity jumped up.

It's when they cross the line should action be undertaken. Whining won't help things and DB as fas as i know hasn't caused any deaths or violence. The only thing they've done is used words. Using words, regardless if it's a joke or not, is not crossing the line.

[Dimezanime20]

Jonat, go to China and think that words have no affect.

[jonat3]

Jonat, go to China and think that words have no affect.

I'm not naive. Words do have effect. Numerous speeches by American presidents in the past have had tremendous effect and are a clear example of words having power. I only sincerely doubt that DB's words would have a comparable effect. That's why i said this: "Whining won't help things and DB as far as i know hasn't caused any deaths or violence."

Their words have only managed to piss off people. No other effects that i consider crossing the line.

[narutosimpson]

Alastor, you make alot of good points especially about the razor. I would like to believe it's just stupidity, but I'll only call it stupidity once or twice. After that you have to wonder what's the motivation? And I give kids alot of credit, but not too much, I was also a child once , and I know alot of my opinions have changed since then.

IMO the whole concept of race is outdated these days anyway.

Also, the only people offended by this kinda thing aren't secure with themselves. They must feel that somehow they are wrong. Why not just fight fire with fire and write bad things about DB in your signatures or whatever. I'm sure that there will be about as much notice of them as there is the DB jokes. ...and its not a lot.

How can you be so sure only insecure people are offended? Most people are at least a little insecure anyways. If you tell me enough about yourself Flazh, I'm sure I can hit the right button that makes you blow up. But I wouldn't sit here wasting my time.

As a matter of fact I think the opposite is true, people who make these jokes have some insecurity.

As for fighting fire with fire, it's not the same, you see DB doesn't necesscarily make themselves known on this forum for me to flame, they are doing what most internet haters do, hiding behind the monitor.

[jonat3]

Alastor, you make alot of good points especially about the razor. I would like to believe it's just stupidity, but I'll only call it stupidity once or twice. After that you have to wonder what's the motivation? And I give kids alot of credit, but not too much, I was also a child once , and I know alot of my opinions have changed since then.



How can you be so sure only insecure people are offended? Most people are at least a little insecure anyways. If you tell me enough about yourself Flazh, I'm sure I can hit the right button that makes you blow up. But I wouldn't sit here wasting my time.

As a matter of fact I think the opposite is true, people who make these jokes have some insecurity.

As for fighting fire with fire, it's not the same, you see DB doesn't necesscarily make themselves known on this forum for me to flame, they are doing what most internet haters do, hiding behind the monitor.

They might just do it to piss off people. I know enough a-holes that get a kick out of doing that. Responding to it would make it even worse AND it gives the impression of offended people being idiots.

[kenshin420]

the point one of the users made about DB translating Naruto episodes in Hebrew explains a lot, Jewish making jewish jokes, i see with my black friends, they call each other "negroe" and wont let anyone else call em that case its racist.

either DB could spread the jokes by throwing, asians in the picture, browns, yellow , whiteys , black... one joke for every week's episode, and circulate it.

I wonder what every1 else would think of that? this is very common guyss, people making fun of their own nationality among themselves.. ask any friend of urs ..

[Ssj3_Goku]

YOU NOOBS STFU ABOUT IT ALLREADY~ DB RULES! THEIR SPEEDS SUBS KICK ASS! All you people complaining and that are uptight about it ARE LOSERS ! Yea flame me if u want i can give 2 shits but you people need to STFU ALLREADY~

[Scared Link]

YOU NOOBS STFU ABOUT IT ALLREADY~ DB RULES! THEIR SPEEDS SUBS KICK ASS! All you people complaining and that are uptight about it ARE LOSERS ! Yea flame me if u want i can give 2 shits but you people need to STFU ALLREADY~

It’s a birdie, no a fly, NO! It’s another 18+ who cannot use grammar. Oh the irony, Oh the irony.

[narutosimpson]

YOU NOOBS STFU ABOUT IT ALLREADY~ DB RULES! THEIR SPEEDS SUBS KICK ASS! All you people complaining and that are uptight about it ARE LOSERS ! Yea flame me if u want i can give 2 shits but you people need to STFU ALLREADY~
I'm glad you are defending DB, cause it's obvious you are retarded. Oh, I shouldn't offend the retarded by comparing them to you...ZING!!!

now that's a joke at somebody else's expense :D

[Blackvoice]

IMO the whole concept of race is outdated these days anyway.

Also, the only people offended by this kinda thing aren't secure with themselves. They must feel that somehow they are wrong. Why not just fight fire with fire and write bad things about DB in your signatures or whatever. I'm sure that there will be about as much notice of them as there is the DB jokes. ...and its not a lot.

that sounds like someone who would do anything to be accepted including taking unecessary verbal beatings.
As a blackman i enjoy my fair share of stereotypical jokes but i also realise that some people sometimes hide thier true thoughts behind jokes. to say the concept of race is outdated is to seriously underestimate the hateful nature of humans.
i still see DB as a necessary evil, maybe not evil at all and we are taking this way too seriously.

[Broleta]

Ok first off,
And believe me, I am NOT BLACK,JEWISH OR GAY
Your avatar disagrees.

I don't see what the problem is if you don't download their subs anymore, aint like you have to sit and watch them flame gays and jews every week.

DB is a high quality team who works their asses off every week so people can watch their fav animes in the fastest time possible, maybe they deserve to have some fun.

[Potentialflip]

Well, I'm still shocked this whole issue is still being talked about. Thought it would have died down by now. I do not know anybody from Dattebayo. So I can't really say whether or not they are a "hate group" like certain people are starting to call them. Or Racist which I believe is sort of over doing it. I really have not heard anything from them so I will just wait. But I believe this has reached them and I'm guessing we will hear something from them. Most likely with this week's Naruto episode.

[narutosimpson]

I wasn't going to bring up the quality of DB's work, but since it's gotten worked in :
Anbu, AONE, Lunar, and Bleach Society have always been better than DB without making extra remarks. I even would have preferred Hell Fansubs, too bad they left. There was a speed subber named Chihiro for a while, he was as good as BS, but had to go to school.

As for being black jewish or gay, I said I am none of them, but its possible I'm all of them or somewhere in between :S Hehe, trust me the first time. It's just a silly ava.

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ then your freaking blind and hate DB because DB is better than all of them.. though the quality of lunars is slighty higher because they are over 200 meg files but DB's i can fit a season on one 4 gig dvd!

If u worrie so much about what a sub group puts at the end of an intro of a freefansub ,, then u are just basically starting a war because u hated db before and u needed something to start this whole thing up..

get over it and freaking watch anime and stop bitching .. because DB RULES!

[narutosimpson]

no...i should restate, what i meant was every subber works hard, some with better subs than others, but the better ones don't add anything to there subs.

[Red Alastor]

Alastor, you make alot of good points especially about the razor. I would like to believe it's just stupidity, but I'll only call it stupidity once or twice. After that you have to wonder what's the motivation?

I wish people would be cured of stupidity after just one shot but this isn't how the world works. If they do it twice, they can't claim it's an "accident" or anything like that, they are stupid but they are responsible for their stupidity.

Their motivation is probably that they think it's funny.

And I give kids alot of credit, but not too much, I was also a child once , and I know alot of my opinions have changed since then.

I don't think they are that easy to influence, beside if you talk to them, you can spot that kind of thing.

To come back with the exemple I gave about the recent scandal we had, people were all saying "think about the poor black kids, they'll get teased to death at school !!!" and seemed to think it would give them psychological damage for life. When they asked the singer that has been invited on week 2 if it was a good reason enough to censor the message, he said no. He said "What would you prefer that we say to them ? Don't worry kid, no one is racist and you have as much chances as any white guy to get a job ?". I agree with him that kids should be told the truth.

What's funny is that if one of my relatives under 13 watched that (let pretend they speak english), he/she would probably ask : "what is a jew ?".

How can you be so sure only insecure people are offended? Most people are at least a little insecure anyways. If you tell me enough about yourself Flazh, I'm sure I can hit the right button that makes you blow up. But I wouldn't sit here wasting my time.

It's near impossible for me. I'm pretty much impossible to offend (whatever offend might mean). At least, not by the content. If you started to crapflood for instance and the mods were all on vacation, I'd blow up because I'd be annoyed as hell. Or if people pick on someone for some stupid reason (like I saw people picking on a lone homosexual in another forum). But for people who are mean toward other, I'm good at making them look like complete idiots :)

IMO the whole concept of race is outdated these days anyway.

I disagree. Everybody isn't equal. Everybody is equal in rights and worth as much. But everybody is different. Cultural differences are part of people identity and identity matters. So differences should be celebrated and not disregarded or insulted.

Saying that the concept of race is outdated is like those people who say that men and women are the same. No gender is better than the other but they are different.

[yo586]

No gender is better than the other but they are different.
Pchah women are SO much better than men.

And by this time this thread should be closed, nothing is happening here. All threads like this do is serve to make me realize how upsettingly ignorant some computer nerds can be (much like the rest of the world of course)

[Encronian]

honestly i don;t get why ppl were calling it a joke? i didn't get it as a joke? i've dated my share of jewish girls and there ain't nothign wrong with their bodies.:)

[Silver2086]

Heh understood that :). But some of these guys are right it's catching more attention than it's worth. Now, I don't believe there is anything we can do about it than talk about it. To me it does seem like a pattern then some random jokes. But, do I care? No. As some of the other Jewish posters have stated neither do they. Now, the question is will you blend there senseless jokes with their work. I wouldn't otherwise there would be a lot fewer things in this world. First, seperate the two. Their quality of work is good. Good for them. Their jokes are bad and can be racist. Now is the ladder something worth your attention? Doubt it. Because it is tasteless which proves it's worth. In this case it has none.

[narutosimpson]

i don't see why it would be closed, it's just for talking. The thread isn't gonna grow legs , walk over to DB headquarters, and slap them :P

I'm still waiting to see what DB does with naruto 162 and wether they keep running with there joke or not. My bets on that they try and take it up a notch :D

edit: keep in mind, i'm not d/ling it , i'll just wait to see if others mention it

[SeruraRenge]

Personally, I dun care, becuase I don't watch DB for the jokes. I watch DB subs so that I know what they are saying in Naruto and Bleach (would dnl Lunar, but they take forever). The only reason why I dun skip the little jokes are because I like to watch the whole opening, becuase Bleach's OP is awesome (Naruto's current one is...okay)

[Ssj3_Goku]

eh , as of now i really do not care about it . because narutosimpson never liked DB in the first place so he is using this to his advantage trying to hurt DB's NAME!


seriously man just drop it..

[Cyberwaste]

I was going to type up a long reply to all this, but it really isn't worth it. Nothing I say will change anyone’s minds, and odds are some of my opinions will probably just piss people off more. It's happened in the past :).

I just have a few points to make:

For those of you who say it's not a joke because there was no context, and that it wasn't standup or from a sit-com or something like that- I've seen plenty of jokes over the years in animes placed in the credits and in the commercial transitions. Jokes don't have to be told in certain formats to be jokes, so I’m curious as to why because this was done in the credit's it's automatically not a joke. Not to mention the statement itself seemed to contain plenty of hints that it was a joke in and of itself.. They could have placed "I hate Jews" at the bottom and it would obviously be a joke (Also obviously a very ignorant and tasteless) but it wouldn't be like they were declaring their membership to the clan or something, just being retards.

There has been much evidence presented that at least one person on the DB team is Jewish. Most people usually apply the generic double standard that it's not racism if the person making the joke is the said race, so I wonder why this didn’t get applied here? Probably because no one knew he/they are Jewish.

Narutosimpson: Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but you are being slightly evangelical (might not be the 100% correct word for this situation, but I’m using it anyway. English nuts I apologize in advance). Because this offends you you feel everyone else should be too, and it's simply not going to happen. Although you will find plenty of sympathizers in your war against ignorance. I wish you luck.

In my own opinion, I see it as a harmless joke. However, these guys should have known that they would be pissing people off making a joke like that, in which case it seems obvious they don't care. Which means you getting upset will accomplish nothing.

Oh, and one more thing.

"Generic comment about how it's funny that Jewish people aren’t offended by this"

Oops, I made a long reply anyway.

[Moridin]

^SSJ3_Goku - you irritate me, your about the only person in this thread who hasn;t actually attempted to make points other than saying 'stfu n00bz db is the bestest yeah'...

its a discussion thread so people are discussing the issue and whether or not it was offensive


I wish people would be cured of stupidity after just one shot but this isn't how the world works. If they do it twice, they can't claim it's an "accident" or anything like that, they are stupid but they are responsible for their stupidity.

Their motivation is probably that they think it's funny.

reps to you for a good post

I'll keep downloading dattebayo, I like their subs even if they aren;t as good as lunars (and wtf, lunar sub bleach at 175 meg, not 200+) and they are fast so I can get my anime fix without contemplating the raw anymore.

I still disagree with them putting notes like we've seen at the start of the episodes lately, however you look at it, joke or not its pretty tasteless.

[Ssj3_Goku]

ALot of lunars where over 175 meg. Also they are not fast.. for the past 15 or so episodes it has been taking them 4 days +.

[narutosimpson]

Cyberwaste, I think you make a good point, I'm not gonna fix anything in this post, but can I vent?

What really got my blood boiling originally was the whole GNAA thing, if you read other pages in this thread. I mean, have you seen that site? It's a slick looking site that says nasty things and passes it off as if there's nothing wrong. The jewish joke was just more...crap on the pile

[MangoNaruto]

I dont find those comments as jokes, even if they were meant to be jokes I dont find them funny. I'm not Jewish, Black nor Gay but I dont see those comments necessary at all. It was uncalled for and for ppl feel its just a 'joke' or what not and should lessen up are just blatantly ignorant on the sensitivity of the issue. But cant really blame alot of these ppl for thinking this way because alot of them probably have never had to face those issues or what not or very little exposure to those type of enviroment. Besides alot is probably too young to comprehend the complexity of it, therefore that is branded as a 'joke'. For the selected few there is just simply 'hate' in them. I'm greatly disappointed with DB, never was aware of DB fansubs to be that like that. Thank you NarutoSimpson for pointing it out. Was unaware of those comments, never paid attention to the intros and ends.

[Easy77]

You know, I don't normally post (as you can see) but I've got to say, DB, after this week's Bleach ep, is truely stupid. I'd say ignorant, but that would mean a lack of understanding, and I truely don't believe that the people at DB are just unaware, they're not, the do things because they think it's funny. I can't fault them on that.

However, I won't be d/l or seeding any of their torrents ever again because of this last Bleach slang over crap.

Just my oppinion though :heh:

[Bobcat1]

i don't see why it would be closed, it's just for talking. The thread isn't gonna grow legs , walk over to DB headquarters, and slap them :P

I'm still waiting to see what DB does with naruto 162 and wether they keep running with there joke or not. My bets on that they try and take it up a notch :D

edit: keep in mind, i'm not d/ling it , i'll just wait to see if others mention it

you're obsessed hate with DB is your loss, I'm gonna happily watch 162 once it's downloaded today, with all it's speed-sub glory, because I'm strong enough to shrug off something so small and minor as a little racist hint and I have the ability to forgive and forget.

[Red Alastor]

I'm not Jewish, Black nor Gay but I dont see those comments necessary at all. It was uncalled for and for ppl feel its just a 'joke' or what not and should lessen up are just blatantly ignorant on the sensitivity of the issue.

And those who say it should be censored / not allow to exists are blatantly ignorant that putting up with idiots if the price to pay to live in a somewhat free society.

I agree that the joke has no worth in the first place and we wouldn't miss anything if they never wrote it. But I would not like to live in a world that have the power to censor anything that upset people.

Beside, jews don't care. This mean they are way cooler than christians who would probably whine and bitch a lot more about it and are masters at acting like an oppressed minority and an oppressive majority at the same time ! <-- Am I playing with fire here ?

P.S.: I know all Christians aren't like that but I am impressed that no jew at all felt "offended".

[jonat3]

I despise words such as "sensitivity" and "offended". It speaks of weakness. As people of the world, society must move forward. Things like these only lets us move backwards.

Just look at America. It's moving back to the dark ages there. If you read the news, American scientist are really bleak about the future of science. Sue-happy people are incredibly rampant in that country. Jack Thompson is the latest idiot that popped up. RIAA and MPAA seem to care more about making money the easy way instead of going with the times and do something similar like Apple's itunes.

All this "sensitivity" and "offended" stuff is part of a trend that lets the world go in a downwards spiral. The world isn't getting better, but worse this way. If we can't even handle something as minor and insignificant as DB's pathetic "joke", i can only fear for our future. I for one don't intend to be dominated by such people. Red Alastor makes pretty good points in this regard.

[Potentialflip]

Can I request a mod or someone with the power to move this thread somewhere else. There is no point any longer for this thread to be here.

[narutosimpson]

well that's interesting IRC stuff Alastor. I wonder if that's just another "joke". He may believe the opposite is true, and is just saying that to run with his anti-everybody else joke. It's possible and fair that he believes that though, everyone's entitled to there own opinion.

and potential, could you come off of it. that's the second time you said that, I don't see your reasoning behind it.

[Cyberwaste]

Cyberwaste, I think you make a good point, I'm not gonna fix anything in this post, but can I vent?

What really got my blood boiling originally was the whole GNAA thing, if you read other pages in this thread. I mean, have you seen that site? It's a slick looking site that says nasty things and passes it off as if there's nothing wrong. The jewish joke was just more...crap on the pile

Most definatly you can vent. Unfortunately, you may have started this thread to vent, but it has grown into more of a crusade than that.

But if your posts do help you vent, then more power to you. I understand that nothing I say will change you mind, just as i'm sure you know you can't change mine. So at the very least I hope you're getting some venting done :)

I'm going to google this GNAA thing, I've never heard of it.

Edit: I would like to add that I found that "Jews did WTC" thing pretty funny. Any one who thinks that is anything but a joke is just looking for reasons to be angry IMO. A racist wouldn't do something like that in a joke form. It is very vulgur and offensive, yes, but I still find it funny. Again, take that as you will :).

[Red Alastor]

I'm going to google this GNAA thing, I've never heard of it.

http://www.gnaa.us/

They are an organized group of trolls. Hear of organized crime ? Well, this is organized trolling. They are a nuisance.

Edit: I would like to add that I found that "Jews did WTC" thing pretty funny. Any one who thinks that is anything but a joke is just looking for reasons to be angry IMO. A racist wouldn't do something like that in a joke form. It is very vulgur and offensive, yes, but I still find it funny. Again, take that as you will :).

As far as I'm concerned, this makes me think more that they put the jokes in because they thought it was funny. And it also makes me think even more that they are stupid.

What I find disturbing is their association with the GNAA. So far, it doesn't seem to be a big problem but if the signal/noise ratio becomes bad, I'll switch to another sub.

[Flazh]

How can you be so sure only insecure people are offended? Most people are at least a little insecure anyways. If you tell me enough about yourself Flazh, I'm sure I can hit the right button that makes you blow up. But I wouldn't sit here wasting my time.

As a matter of fact I think the opposite is true, people who make these jokes have some insecurity.

I said this kinda of thing. I.E. its nothing directly personal, its just a generalisation, so yeah I don't think you could offend me with this kind of thing.


Blackvoice wrote about race not being outdated. I say it is because people are so different that it is pretty much stupid to catagorise people like that. In this day and age, many different coloured people and many different beliefs are equal, and to stereotype someone as their race or belief is outdated as far as I am concerned. So the only thing to really define them is their personality. I have many friends that are Black, White, Asian, Indian... the list goes on, and no-one ever takes any racial or religious comment really to heart (unless it of course isn't a joke). Only personal comments are taken seriously. That's of course not to say that people will cease to categorise people by race, of course it will continue, but compare now to 100 years ago. The judgement of people by race is hardly even comparable to back then.

So in a nutshell, that is how I mean it, and that is why I think that no-one can really be offended at this kind of thing unless they are willing to be offended or are seriously insecure with their own looks/beliefs/etc...

(btw narutosimpson, if you are dying to try to offend me then I am a 19 year old cracker, self employed, and I live in a guest house just outside Tokyo with 160 other people who collectively represent pretty much every reasonably large country, language and religion anywhere. Oh, and out of every Jew who I personally know who saw that episode, a grand total of zero were offended (not to say that they thought it was funny though ^^; ))

[Megaharrison]

You people are still going on about this?!

I'm Jewish and don't care....Sure it's dumb but there are dumb people.

[Dimezanime20]

oh man, oh man, dis is getting too heated. Why don't we just get a DB representative to coming in here to explain themselves?

[Potentialflip]

My reasoning? I am just requesting it to be moved elsewhere since this isn't about Bleach no more. More about Dattebayo. I sure believe don't think this talk belongs here anymore. It's nice people have something to talk about for the week break the show is on but com 'on the subforums were created for a reason. That reason being talking about Bleach. Not about Dattebayo.

And so narutosimpson understnads where I am going with this... I am asking for this thread to be moved. Not deleted nor trashed.

[Blackvoice]

why don't we all relax

[ChickenPotPie]

That's why they should stop whining and start getting stronger. Weakness is no excuse.

I guess I should rephase my statement. Not everyone is as apathetic as you. You do realize, if there exists some racial/religious/whatever boundary, there will always be a line between statements that are either Jokes or are considered to be offensive? You can't just expect everyone just ignore this. What should they get mad against? Something you personally think has the right to be called offensive? How you perceive this is not the same as everyone else.

[Xell]

Chill out people.. It's just a joke.. Lighten up.. God, I ain't black, jewish or anything like that, even if I was a Jew I would find it quite amusing, and judging by your avatar narutosimpson, you are finding the editing of a pic of a black man funny! Chill out.. God.. timecop is racist and he's black so lighten up..

[~ Masamune ~]

LOl i loved it and yeah lighten up:)

[jonat3]

I guess I should rephase my statement. Not everyone is as apathetic as you. You do realize, if there exists some racial/religious/whatever boundary, there will always be a line between statements that are either Jokes or are considered to be offensive? You can't just expect everyone just ignore this. What should they get mad against? Something you personally think has the right to be called offensive? How you perceive this is not the same as everyone else.

There is some truth to what you say. But IMO, this trend of people getting so easily offended has been getting worse these days. If it stayed at reasonable levels, i wouldn't say a thing, but this is getting downright ridiculous.

[archaned]

Dattebayo is smoking that good shit i tell you. Anybody check out ver2 of ep60?

[XfayeVX]

*sigh* i think that in general everyone's a bit too uptight. but, i'm more pissed off because the joke made no sense and just wasn't very funny in general, not because of who they were trying to joke about. sheesh, they need to hire some comedy writers over there, cuz that was just rough.
oh well...bad comedy happens. take howie mandel for example...bad bad bad. lol

NOTE: no offense to howie mandel fans. the proceeding was my personal opinion and may not necessarliy be the opinion of the board.'

^see, a disclaimer...now everyone;s happy. lol :amuse

[Quoll]

*sigh* i think that in general everyone's a bit too uptight. but, i'm more pissed off because the joke made no sense and just wasn't very funny in general, not because of who they were trying to joke about. sheesh, they need to hire some comedy writers over there, cuz that was just rough.
oh well...bad comedy happens. take howie mandel for example...bad bad bad. lol

NOTE: no offense to howie mandel fans. the proceeding was my personal opinion and may not necessarliy be the opinion of the board.'

^see, a disclaimer...now everyone;s happy. lol :amuse

Howie Mandel never had fans so you can't offend.

[babbitblob]

what, noone mentions timecop's 'participation' in the gnaa? jeez.

and chill everyone, 160 posts discussing dattebayo's jokes is way too many.

[narutosimpson]

i don't know who timecop is...somebody said he's black. whatever, GNAA is stupid no matter what u tell me, cuz using the N word, its just now how things are done if u wanna get respect as an organization. it's too loaded

[Ssj3_Goku]

o someone took off 20 rep points off me and leaves no name.... i will unmask u big wuss, put your name after u do any type of reps!


about this topic... well i cannot belive its still going on over 2 sentences of text at the end of an intro on a freefansub....

Complain? do not download them. Are u putting the effort to translate these to let everyone else watch for free? no , you are not.

you people take this wayy to seriously. Its an online freeFansub and they made those comments at the end of the intro.. Heck most people never knew that DB acculy puts stuff at the end of their intros.. well the people who skip over the intro after they allready watched it.


like i said the topic creator found something against DB and he is using it to give DB A bad name ... Why do i say this? because he has said many times in differant threads ( bleach / naruto) how he dislikes DB subs and perfers others and now is using a 1 to 2 sentence text at an end of an intro in a freefansub against them.. Give me a break...


* goes back watching subbed anime , that is for free and for our enjoyment.. while all you bicker and argue over stupid crap... good day *

[narutosimpson]

edit: (I'm gonna take these comments back, I forgot, you might really be what I called you here.)

You probably can't believe this thread is still going , just like you can't believe something that doesn't bother you bothers somebody else huh?

and u r saying i have something against DB ? Please, little boy, I'm not so childish as you think to hold a grudge against DB for no reason, unless I'm insane. I've been watching raw Naruto anime for the past months that Aone doesn't sub, and my life will go on if I never see another naruto sub again from any sub group.

[lafnear]

OMG I can't believe nobody has pointed out how offensive that message was to women, too. Send naked pictures? As a woman I am very offended that DB would think that what a woman looks like naked would have anything to do with her ability to translate. And that Gayniggers movie was very offensive to women too, now that I think about it. DB must be a bunch of woman-hating, Jew-hating, homosexual-hating, and black-hating nazis. I'm totally going to boycott them forever and ever.

In fact, most that I think about it, a lot of anime is very offensive to women. And ever notice there are almost NO BLACK OR JEWISH PEOPLE IN ANIME? I guess I'll boycott anime altogether!

And really, like someone pointed out, what if little kids saw that racist and sexist message? I mean, here these kids are, BREAKING THE LAW DOWNLOADING COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL, and while doing so they are being exposed to RACIST MESSAGES which MAY OR MAY NOT BE A JOKE. How can we let things like this happen???

[narutosimpson]

ooh, a DB guy came to defend themselves? Somebody has called that message offensive to women, it's in one of the very first pages.

I'm not going to stand here and throw stones all day, I think it's been explained in the 8 pages before why that message might or might not be offensive. If you don't get it I'm sorry.

And just cause we are downloading some video doesn't give anybody a right to tack on nasty messages to those videos. When you download an MP3, you wouldn't expect to hear inexplicably random nasty words in it would you? It would be bizarre to say the least. By extending that logic you can break so many laws just because you were downloading copyrighted material at the same time.

Keep making your jokes, now that I understand that's what DB is about, I've made the personal decision I don't want any part of it. I'm the type of person who applies that thinking to my daily routine, I'm not all of a sudden losing it cause of you.

And by the way, I didn't watch your ep60 v1,v2, but it doesn't sound funny either. "lets make fun of ebonics guys!" :thumbs what r you thinking? excuse me for ranting again.

[Broleta]

OMFG grow up timecop is just having a laugh, hes black and hes racist.

[SG3S]

narutosimpson, your a funny guy. You may not be a kid, but you have loads to learn about the internet, and life prolly.
Atleast for th internet I suggest you do not take anything serious if it's not from a reliable source (I mean you can trust newssites etc...).
Take it as a big joke don't make such a big deal out it, unless your some retard with too much time... wich i guess you are.
To be honest I may not be in the position to say not to make a big deal out of rasism, since I prolly have no point to be discriminised to. But if you find one be happy to exploit it. I will just laugh at you, for me, you can't hurt ppl over the internet. If other ppl think otherwise it's not my problem, kill yourself if it's really that big of a deal :tem

[narutosimpson]

To be honest I may not be in the position to say not to make a big deal out of rasism, since I prolly have no point to be discriminised to.

if u really don't know , u can't make a very good opinion can you?
Does timecop run the whole show at DB, and everybody else just does what he says?

Now there's a new guy coming on the board just to insult me and tell me to kill myself, dude I'm gonna quit this topic soon. :laugh

[SG3S]

Great atleast you make sense then, also timecop is not the one who runs the shit though he has great influence. And hes not the one who make the funny messages in the episode.

In real life I was always picked on in high school etc, so I know how it is to get shouted at/being called names, after that I just stopped caring, with this the insults on me stopped too (or I ignored them and don't remember). you though don't seem to have any experience with getting discriminated so this might be a good lesson for you.
And no if you read carefully and think a bit this post does not contradict my port earlyer.

[Moiraine]

OMG! How could we have so cruel and insensitive?!
*weeps*
Please, oh random people of the internet, forgive us these terrible and hideous transgretions! I have been thoroughly chastised by all these fine upstanding people, who I am sure have NEVER, EVER made or laughed at an insensitive and politically incorrect comment.

:laugh

Download from us, don't download from us. We don't care. We sub these shows week in and week out b/c we want to. We are a group of individuals whose choose to do this. And we can do whatever the hell we want with it. I'll play devil's advocate and say that as a private group/club we can choose who we want to join based on any criteria. We also have no need to censor ourselves.

I do not believe for a second that there is a single person here who has not made fun of or laughed at others for any reason. You want to say making fun of or picking on people is wrong, then fine. But in that case it is wrong in EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE! It's wrong to make fun of race, sex, hair color, clothes, speech, etc.... So, from now on, make sure you don't laugh at anyone ever again. It's wrong because it offends someone.

Btw, narutosimpson, I am offended by your signature which shows a 12 year old girl in a deliberately sexually provocative pose and outfit. You're offended by jew jokes and I'm offended by pedophelia. We're even.

[narutosimpson]

no ding dong, I bothered to make a big deal about it cause I do know how that feels. You just keep making ass-backward assumptions.

[SG3S]

if you don't know how it feels don't start about, this way your only getting replies flaming at YOU for making the topic

[edit for some grammar changes :oh ]

[GSurge]

I, for one, thought the episode was humorous. So did my friend.

What are you guys getting all riled up about? It's a god damn joke, and it's not making fun of any person in particular.

[narutosimpson]

yeah, that's just stupid, now what I have a whole gang of DB tools here trying to knock sense into me with a flurry of messages. If that sig offends you more than a "Gay Nigger Association " that's not really that at all, you have problems. Join the KKK for all i care.

[Moiraine]

So I can't be offended by pedophelia because I feel it fine for the gay, black males of America to have their own organization?

[narutosimpson]

hahaha!! did u say "gay black males"!!! that would sound too legitimate, u said "gay nigger"!!! Nigger nigger nigger, jew jew jew, you know the difference right? you know sincerity right? look it up if you don't

[Moiraine]

*blinks*

What are you babbling about?

[GSurge]

I think he's gone batshit insane.

[Code]

So I can't be offended by pedophelia because I feel it fine for the gay, black males of America to have their own organization?
... I'm pretty sure they aren't just gay black males.

According to wikipedia.
A growing number of highly motivated individuals who are against GNAA's neo-nazi message can be found on the internet.
But then agian it's very well possible for a black person to be racist against his own kind. Which is all the more reason why I don't like"I'm a [insert race] so you shut up about defending [inserts same race]"

GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

* Are you GAY?
* Are you a NIGGER?
* Are you a GAY NIGGER?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!

The signature text is significant because it identifies a GNAA attack.
Hm.... So they attack their own members?

[Fate]

Hello, I'm Fate, the final editor of DB projects. I personally was the one who wrote the "offensive message" that seems to have offended you all.

Firstly, let's look at who should be offended by the special message of that week. Firstly, we have excluded all of the male population. By wording our recruitment message in the way we did we have basically made a statement that males are incapable of being competent translators. Additionally, we have objectified the female population by excluding those who do not meet the criteria of "cute" and the application process including the sending of naked pictures.. Additionally, those who are not technologically savvy have been excluded for their inability to send digital pictures.

However, despite the fact that our recruitment message has made statements regarding everyone, and has excluded more than 50% of the world population (by combining both the Jewish and male population), the outrage has only been evoked by out final statement of "Jews need not apply." The knee jerk type of reaction that has followed is hardly surprising.

But, where is the outrage from all of the rest of these named groups? Or from those of you who claim to only take offense to the racial intolerant, how could you ignore our statements regarding these other groups? What if my message had been "Laplanders need not apply." No one would be posting to defend the honor of the northern European reindeer herding nomads.

My statements were not a slight against those who are Jewish, rather it was against those who subscribe to the social dogma regarding who can be insulted in a comical way and who cannot.

[Ssj3_Goku]

FAte u guys rule , and hopefully i can meet your team at otakon next year!

[lafnear]

ooh, a DB guy came to defend themselves? Somebody has called that message offensive to women, it's in one of the very first pages.

I'm not going to stand here and throw stones all day, I think it's been explained in the 8 pages before why that message might or might not be offensive. If you don't get it I'm sorry.

And just cause we are downloading some video doesn't give anybody a right to tack on nasty messages to those videos. When you download an MP3, you wouldn't expect to hear inexplicably random nasty words in it would you? It would be bizarre to say the least. By extending that logic you can break so many laws just because you were downloading copyrighted material at the same time.

Keep making your jokes, now that I understand that's what DB is about, I've made the personal decision I don't want any part of it. I'm the type of person who applies that thinking to my daily routine, I'm not all of a sudden losing it cause of you.

And by the way, I didn't watch your ep60 v1,v2, but it doesn't sound funny either. "lets make fun of ebonics guys!" :thumbs what r you thinking? excuse me for ranting again.


I like how you completely misinterpreted my statement. I was not defending us. I never said I didn't understand why the joke wouldn't have been offensive. You pretty much made that stuff up. And excuse me if I didn't peruse the whole thread from beginning to end and notice that someone else had pointed out the message being offensive to women. I do have other things to do. Also, HELLO, JOKE. My post was a joke. You missed it again. Perhaps you should look up the word "sarcasm" in the dictionary.

And yes, if you are downloading our video we completely have the right to put in whatever we feel like. What. Ever. We. Feel. Like. And you have no right to complain because we do this for free and for fun. Frankly the ENTIRE point of that message was to make things like this happen so we could laugh at people like you. You completely and totally 100% played into our hand. So thank you for the laughs. :D If the way we amuse ourselves is by releasing fakesubs every once in awhile and by putting in messages that we consider funny and that is the only price 200,000 people pay for getting free anime, then I don't see how that is a problem. And if you find it a problem, the easiest solution is to not download our subs. Do that and you will never, ever be troubled by us again. No point in bitching about it. And we won't miss you and the other 199,999 people or so can enjoy their anime in peace.

And I don't know where you've been lately, or maybe the digital music scene has changed since I was in college, but back in my day there were tons and tons of misnamed .mp3 files out there. You try to download Billy Joel and you get Marilyn Mason or a porno soundtrack or something. Maybe people don't do that in this day and age, but um, I doubt that those who pirate music suddenly grew a conscience.

And, you are in fact breaking the law by downloading copyrighted material, but guess what, our message didn't break any law that I am aware of. It might be offensive and stupid, but it's not illegal. So once again, I don't know wtf you are talking about when you say "By extending that logic you can break so many laws just because you were downloading copyrighted material at the same time."

And frankly I agree with Moiraine that the image in your sig could easily be considered offensive. Apparently offending Jews is wrong and offending woman and being a pedophile is just fine? Pedophilia, in fact, is a crime. You, sir, are a hypocrite. And possibily a pervert. In fact, the chances of you being a pervert are far, far greater than the chances than anyone in DB is racist, because, as many many people have pointed out to you, IT WAS A JOKE.

Edit: Also I feel the term "ghetto booty" could be construed as offensive to African Americas.

[narutosimpson]

Hello, I'm Fate, the final editor of DB projects. I personally was the one who wrote the "offensive message" that seems to have offended you all.

Firstly, let's look at who should be offended by the special message of that week. Firstly, we have excluded all of the male population. By wording our recruitment message in the way we did we have basically made a statement that males are incapable of being competent translators. Additionally, we have objectified the female population by excluding those who do not meet the criteria of "cute" and the application process including the sending of naked pictures.. Additionally, those who are not technologically savvy have been excluded for their inability to send digital pictures.

However, despite the fact that our recruitment message has made statements regarding everyone, and has excluded more than 50% of the world population (by combining both the Jewish and male population), the outrage has only been evoked by out final statement of "Jews need not apply." The knee jerk type of reaction that has followed is hardly surprising.

But, where is the outrage from all of the rest of these named groups? Or from those of you who claim to only take offense to the racial intolerant, how could you ignore our statements regarding these other groups? What if my message had been "Laplanders need not apply." No one would be posting to defend the honor of the northern European reindeer herding nomads.

My statements were not a slight against those who are Jewish, rather it was against those who subscribe to the social dogma regarding who can be insulted in a comical way and who cannot.
I read these 300 or so words in here, and all you accomplished with those words was make a lame joke about laplanders.
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9064/reading0zp.jpg
You succeeded in doing what you wanted to do, you trolled this forum and made people post 9 pages of crap arguments , got people riled up and everything. Wanna make any jokes about AIDS babies next? It's bound to make for more trolling fun :) I'm not gonna argue any more it will just be flaming and encouraging your trolling. I'll make a sig later to explain my general feeling on this :D

By the way Fate, you seem like a smart guy who can read, write and put words together. I hope you come up with something better to do later on than trolling.

[Code]

... I think some people are overrating to no ends how much actually being "offended" is...yet at the same time, they consider even the least bit of negativity being considered offended... and being offended even is so devastating ....

[nigger]

... I think some people are overrating to no ends how much actually being "offended" is...yet at the same time, they consider even the least beat of negativity being considered offended... and being offended even is so devastating ....

Eh? I can't make any real sense out of that post. O_o

[ChickenPotPie]

... I think some people are overrating to no ends how much actually being "offended" is...yet at the same time, they consider even the least beat of negativity being considered offended... and being offended even is so devastating ....

Of course, the people who thought the was joke offensive are ruining the mood of the ones who thought it was funny. So they have to go to limitless ends to make the other side shut up so they can continue their fun guilt free.

[UThere]

You know, its not the fact that it was a joke...

...It's the fact of letting some people over the internet get you worked up. You dont need them, they dont need you. You will never meet them, they will never meet you. They will NEVER change simply because people over the internet are offended.

If anything, stuff like this feeds the continued trolls...heh...

Im willing to bet if people didnt get so worked up, there really wouldnt be a need for trolls...

<3 YHBT

[Code]

You know, its not the fact that it was a joke...

...It's the fact of letting some people over the internet get you worked up. You dont need them, they dont need you. You will never meet them, they will never meet you. They will NEVER change simply because people over the internet are offended.

If anything, stuff like this feeds the continued trolls...heh...

Im willing to bet if people didnt get so worked up, there really wouldnt be a need for trolls...

<3 YHBT
...

So the people who said it was funny and went on to even kiss DB's ass didn't take it seriously? The same people who went on to even greatly insult those who didn't think it was funny didn't get more worked up?

If "trolls" are liked for thier trolling they wills top trying to troll?

[UThere]

...

So the people who said it was funny and went on to even kiss DB's ass didn't take it seriously? The same people who went on to even greatly insult those who didn't think it was funny didn't get more worked up?

If "trolls" are liked for thier trolling they wills top trying to troll?
Nope. Its not really kissing ass for complimenting something that was enjoyable.

And theres a difference between taking it "serious" and "too serious". You figure it out.

And they wouldnt technically be "trolls" if everyone liked them.

[Code]

Nope. Its not really kissing ass for complimenting something that was enjoyable.

I personally didn't find it enjoyable. Matter of opinion. Did I see a lot of ass-kissing? I'd say I did.


And theres a difference between taking it "serious" and "too serious". You figure it out.
I'd say those going to the point of praising DB for it are taking it too seriously.

And they wouldnt technically be "trolls" if everyone liked them.
Let's say someone annoys the hell out of everybody with a certain characteristic just to piss everybody off. Though unfortunately people liked it. Does that change the nature of the action?

[TenshiOni]

Locking upon request.

[Utz]

Ah, Tenshi beat me to it. Thread closed due to requests from members saying thread was being spammed up with flamatory posts.