Why does Ishida have to turn his back on Shinigami to regain his powers?

[Kimi Sama]

Sorry if theres a thread on this lurking somewhere, I couldnt find one.

Anywho I didnt really think about it at the time, and the manga swiftly moved on from Ishida so I forgot about this entirely... but, I wonder why Ryuken (Ishida's father) told him he would only help him get his Quincy powers back if he never associated himself with a Shinigami again?

I was rewatching Ishida's encounter with Kurotsuchi, and in Ishida's flashback his father tells him that he'd rather spend his life saving the living, as he is supposed to, and leave saving the dead to the Shinigami.
He's fairly amiguous in his attitdudes to Shinigami here, but it seems like he at least trusts them enough to do their job without any help.

So I'm puzzled as to why he was so adamant that Ishida can only be a Quincy again if he turns his back on all Shinigami. This is a reversal of his earlier opinions, surely?

He also said he had no interest in being a Quincy, and basically thought the entire idea of being a Quincy was useless... so why is he suddenly going out of his way to help his son regain the powers he never wanted him to learn in the first place?

Do you suppose something happened recently that caused Ryuken to change his mind? I wonder how long Kubo will leave us wondering before Ishida reappears

[TEK]

He probably know about the arrancars coming. Anyone who can sense spiritual pressure can feel their power. Thus, he knows that the shinigamis can't handle all of them. He still does not like shinigamis but in order to protect the living, the Quincy powers are necessary. Thus, he is willing to help Ishida regain his powers but only if he doesn't associate with the shinigamis anymore.

[ten sa zangetsu]

He probably didn't turn his back on them. he might be lying to get his powers back and then will end up helping the people fighting the arrankars.

[RockLee]

He didn't trust the Shinigami to begin with, he just didn't give a damn about the dead.

He probably hates the Shinigami for wiping out the Quincy, as I'm sure most of his family must have been killed by Shinigami, and so didn't want anything to do with saving the dead, or Quincy powers. Being dead and saving the dead doesn't feed the family, so he'd rather do something that does't attract the attention of the Shinigami and leaves him penniless.

He probably became a doctor because he didn't think the Shinigami were capable of saving the dead, so he might as well save them before they died, so the Shinigami wouldn't have to go after them just yet.

He's probably giving his powers to Isshida. Why? To relieve himself of those powers. He doesn't want them, and his son needs them. What better oppertunity?

[blazingshadow]

he's going to regain his powers not take his fathers. it's more or less like how ichigo got back his shinigami strength

[CABLE]

Anywho I didnt really think about it at the time, and the manga swiftly moved on from Ishida so I forgot about this entirely... but, I wonder why Ryuken (Ishida's father) told him he would only help him get his Quincy powers back if he never associated himself with a Shinigami again?
So I'm puzzled as to why he was so adamant that Ishida can only be a Quincy again if he turns his back on all Shinigami. This is a reversal of his earlier opinions, surely?
Well, I believe that the Shinigamis exterminated the Quincys because their methods destoryed the soul, not sending it to soul society. So naturally Ryuken would hate the Shinigami for killing his family/clan.

He also said he had no interest in being a Quincy, and basically thought the entire idea of being a Quincy was useless... so why is he suddenly going out of his way to help his son regain the powers he never wanted him to learn in the first place?
He was probably taught by his father the Quincy ways and perhaps came across something like a secret that made him want to not be a Quincy or had a falling out/opposing views with the Quincys.

And as for him teaching Ishida, maybe he just knows that its Ishida's passion to be a Quincy which I think is unlikely since Ryuken probably has some card up his sleave. Maybe he will teach Ishida methods to kill Shinigami in hope of exacting revenge upon them.

Do you suppose something happened recently that caused Ryuken to change his mind? I wonder how long Kubo will leave us wondering before Ishida reappears

Meh, sure, I really don't give a damn about Ishida. If he came back as a villain he would be lame since he is just a side-villain, something to the effect of Sesshomaru in Inuyasha if you are familiar with that series.

[9Tail-Hokage]

Why does Ishida have to turn his back on Shinigami to regain his powers?
Because his father gave him that condition. Ishida wanted his powers back, and his father was the only person who could give him his Quincy powers back.

[Wrath]

We will quite probably learn later that Isshin did something - or failed to do something - that hurt Ryuken greatly somehow.

[Kimi Sama]

Because his father gave him that condition. Ishida wanted his powers back, and his father was the only person who could give him his Quincy powers back.

Yes, well... duh. I know that. What I'm wondering is why Ryuken set that condition. Did you only read the thread title or something?

Anyways, alot of you have said that Ryuken probably has a grudge against Shinigami for killing the Quincy, which I figured most people would say. This seems unlikely to me for two reasons;

1) I can't prove this for a while since I dont have the manga on this PC, but I'm fairly certain the Shinigami asked the Quincy to step down, and when they refused the Shinigami went to war with them and killed most of them. The few Quincy left then backed down, and the numbers have been slowly dwindling since. This all happened a few hundred years back. Quincy have been under Shinigami protection for quite a long time, remember? Kurotsuchi has been bribing the Shinigami guards to be late arriving when Hollows attack, so he can get Quincy to study, and judging by the number he has studied I think this has been happening very gradually over time.
Ishida was never angry with Shinigami for killing his clan in the past, after all - he was angry because they failed to protect Souken from the Hollows. If Ishida isnt pissed about this I doubt Ryuken would be.

2) The Quincy have been gone a long time - back when Ishida was a little kid, there were no other Quincy left except Souken and Ryuken, and yet Ryuken's attitude back then was "Quincy are a waste of time, I forbid you to be one". Even after Souken's death, Ryuken never trained Ishida now did he?
If he didnt care back then, why would he suddenly care now?

So yeah.. I think it must be a new reason, not an old one, eg;

He probably know about the arrancars coming. Anyone who can sense spiritual pressure can feel their power.
I figure this is quite a likely idea, and the best one I can think of without some more stuff happening with Ishida.
Still, although it explains why he sudden cares about being a Quincy, it doesnt explain the condition he set. I definately think this is either due to something happening recently, or he's finally had a change of heart.

He's probably giving his powers to Isshida. Why? To relieve himself of those powers. He doesn't want them, and his son needs them. What better oppertunity?
I like this idea. It's hard to imagine him just creating Quincy powers out of nowhere afterall, and it looks like none of Ishida's powers remain at all, so his new power has to come from somewhere.

[Mindless]

I believe it is just a condition from his father. Ryuken wont tell him how to regain his powers unless Ishida cuts all his bonds with Ichigo and the other Shinigami.

But, there might be other underlying reasons, as Wrath suggested.

[superman_1]

i think he cares about his son and doesnt want him to go fighting along shinigamis with all the hollows and now arakanrus (spelling ?) since he will be in continous danger.... and he is giving him the powers to protect himself should he fall in danger or something..... he doesnt want ishida to get involve with shinigamis cus of all the dangers and risks i guess... just wants him stay away from everything and not get involve in anything.... cus lets say if ishida does end up killing an arankaru or something .....they will come after him too.... he doesnt want his only son to die ...so he is giving him the powers to protect himself and not get involve with shinigamis and try to live a normal life.... just my opinion...

[~ Masamune ~]

I guess the shinigami's are corrupt and his father knows the truth.

[monk3]

i guess it goes back to the, quincys hate shinigami thing. ok so we know that his father is the last quincy. also his dad was killed because of shinigami fault. he's obviously very pissed at shinigami. maybe some incident occured way back in his day. or maybe he just doesn't like ichigo because he think he's a bad influence on uryuu.

[Seon]

I personally think its all a trick of some sort, I don't really think Ishida's father Ryuken wants Ishida to fight to save anything at all. I think his father wants Ishida to return to the way he was before,when he hated Ichigo and all soul Reapers and such,for that reason I dont know why,but its just a theory, Ishida will probably end up getting his powers defeating his father.

[Nara Shikamaru]

his dad is a dick.

[Scared Link]

Ishida craves power, therefore he will do anything to get back his shinigami powers.

[blazingshadow]

he just thinks that shinigami and quincy shouldn't be friends. they're natural enemies or something. in any case his condition has something to do with the massacre of the quincy.

[Vile.47]

Why does Ishida have to turn his back on Shinigami to regain his powers?

Because Pops says so. xD

[Zorokiller]

Ishida craves power, therefore he will do anything to get back his shinigami powers.

aha..so he's a quincy with shinigami powers, that's a new one:P

[Kimi Sama]

*sigh*.... I cannot believe how many people have completely missed the whole point of this thread.

The title might say "why does Ishida have to turn his back on Shinigami to regain his powers?" but I then go on to say I'm wondering why Ryuken set such a stipulation. I am not, as half the the replies to this thread seem to assume, wondering why he has to turn his back on Shinigami at all.
I KNOW he had to do it because Ryuken said so. It is completely fucking obvious that he has to do so because Ryuken said it. I talk in some detail about wondering why Ryuken would set such a stipulation in the first few sentaces of the thread.

So why have half the posters missed the point? Did you guys actualy read beyond the title? I'm fairly certain you must of.


Bah...anyways, nothing new to add besides that. I'm still sure it must have been something recent that changed Ryuken's mind - why else would he be anti-Quincy while his son was growing up, only to change his mind now?

[A3-kun]

Well, seeing as Ryuken's obviously very powerful it wouldn't be very far-fetched to asume he's somewhat informed of events or at least 'feels' something big is coming. Though he probably knows he can't defeat the oncoming threat by himself, his hatred of Shinnigami is too great for him to ask them for help, so his only option left was his son, Ishida. And since Ishida lost his Quincy powers, Ryuken now had leverage: if his son wanted to regain his powers he would first have to turn his back on all Shinnigami.

It's quite obvious really, what parent would want their children consorting with the people they hate more than anything.

[LastProudQuincy]

i think that ryuken already knew that uryuu was gonna go back with ichigo and the others. but if you remember he said he wants to spend his time saving the living.and with this arrancar threat the SS isnt the only place that is in grave danger. he knows that the shinigami cant handle the arrancar themselves. even with their bankai they had trouble defeating the small fries of aizen's army. he knows that they will need the help of the quincys. now its just him and his son. and b4 he got invovled it was only him with powers becuz ishida went off and fought blindly against kutosuchi and lost his powers. im gonna ignore the bull that they put uryuu through in the bounto arc but in the manga ryuken says specifically that the main reason he didnt bother training uryuu is because he doesnt think he has any talent. ryuken may have gotten him his powers back but i dont think he was done teaching him things. but he left so abruptly that ryuken didnt have the chance to show him nething else. which would explain y he starting to get his a$$ kicked by the priviron espada hes facing. to answer the exact question the thread asks, i think he set it because somewhere in the back of his mind whther he likes it or not, dwells what we all know as the "Quincy Pride". he knows that the shinigami cant handle it but he doesnt want to act like hes openly helping them. which is y he tells uryuu not to ally himself with the shinigami. and if uryuu did end up destroying a lot of the arrancar by his lonesome then thats just one more thing he can throw in SS's face. and i dont think he was really anti-quincy growing up (or else he wouldnt be so well trained in the arts) but i think he acted that way because like he said in the manga he didnt think uryuu had enough talent.

[Nice Gai]

Just realized something Ishida and his dad are Quincys and at least we know Ishida are killing Hollows. I wouldnt be surprised the Shinigami turn on Ishida and his dad one day. In that fight Ishida against Ichigo man do you remember how many hollows Ishida killed. I can Soul Society trying to kill Ishida, Ryuken, and Hollow Ichigo. Can be like you guys are plaguing the earth you must be removed. I dont know why I see Soul Society turning on Ichigo and Co soon.

[Sasori]

Isshin stole his chick. Nuff said.

[aTm.G[a]tman]

i think Ryuken might have something to do with Isshin