Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children *Spoilers*

[Danger cart]

Well, I already reserved it so I don't really have a choice. Not that it would matter, I'd buy it anyway. I might buy two because I want my friends to see it, but I don't want to part with my copy. :wink

[Dimezanime88]

Hey, it's not fair, All I got did was a stinking Cloud mini-avatar, and for some reason, you guys are able to load those 125x125 big size gifs, that when I tried on here with mines, they said it was too damn big. How did you guys do it?

[Kucheeky Badkuya]

No, most likely everyone is all happy because they saw it instead of buying it. Common people, we've waited for this for so long. Don't you want to see it in perfect DVD quality on your nice T.V.?

Or you're just gonna dl and not support Square (some people I know).

Odds are you downloaded. The downlaods are really good, and near perfect quality.

[Piekage]

I plan on reserving it as soon as possible. It's what 'Spirits Within' should have been.

[mow]

Im merging this with the other FF AC discussion thread, no need for mulitple threads.

[Talvius]

Oh my freaking lord please help me with the subs i really want to see this movie...it looks so tight!

[Ziko]

Could someone find the Boxart in front,back and on the side for me?
I would like to have them in a regular dvd size.
If you find anything Thanks!

[Sayo]

Oh my freaking lord please help me with the subs i really want to see this movie...it looks so tight!
you download the movie, the vobsob files, and the english sub file.

#1) install the vobsob .exe

#2) put the english sub file in the same folder as the movie.

#3) start the movie, a green arrow appears next to your clock/bar right below of your screen.

#4) click it, a window pops up, under languages it says japanese, change it to bien-ff7 or whatever your sub file is called.

#5) enjoy the movie =)



can some1 put this post on the front page, or somewhere where people notice, me and many others been answering this same q. over and over again, thnx in advance :x

[Kucheeky Badkuya]

you download the movie, the vobsob files, and the english sub file.

#1) install the vobsob .exe

#2) put the english sub file in the same folder as the movie.

#3) start the movie, a green arrow appears next to your clock/bar right below of your screen.

#4) click it, a window pops up, under languages it says japanese, change it to bien-ff7 or whatever your sub file is called.

#5) enjoy the movie =)



Nice job Sayoko.

I am almost done downloading the movie, it already comes with subs and all. The version I am downlaoding you jsut need to downlaod it and open it and subs and all of hat stuff is done already. I'll put up the link today or tommorow.

[Son_Pan]

And Son_Pan, I can't but help notice your avvy and your sig(s) are of Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children. So, I'm for sure buying it, because I've always loved FF7. And by the sounds of it, you're not?



what the HELL are you talking about. seriously. hey, im sorry for being rude. but you must REALLY misunderstand me.

alright, let me get this straight. you see my avatars and sigs. they are from FF7/AC. and your point is?

yes, i am a fan. YES, i've had those sigs and avatars for a long time now. and i also had them before the movie or summary came out on the internet. YES, i've been a damn fan ever since i could remember. I basicly grew up watching my brothers play that game, and i also played it myself, along the way. and YES, i've been trailing on advent children for a hella long time now, and have been waiting paciently for this to come out.

alright. and your point is? how can you think that im not a dedicated fan to square enix or the final fantasy team? how can you think im NOT going to buy the movie?

really sorry for trippin' on you. but seriously. what led you to that conclusion?

also: thanks a bunch for merging the threads moe. :-]

[Jack Bauer]

Sorry if this is stupid but about downloading the movie....

Its not a fake right? Its the whole movie?[/I am stupid]

[Kucheeky Badkuya]

Sorry if this is stupid but about downloading the movie....

Its not a fake right? Its the whole movie?[/I am stupid]

Yes, its the whole movie.

I have a question, I recently like a few minutes ago downloaded the movie and than I downloaded the Matroska subs. Than, I started playing the movie on Windows Media Player, but how do I get the subs going?

[Jack Bauer]

oh ok i just have to follow those instuctions and Im good to go :tem

[A2L]

Ok, I'm sure for the most part the people who downloaded this within the first 2 days are probably huge square fans.

I mean i'm with son pan on this, I've been playing the FF's for years. I watched my bro play throught the first one when I was just a wee child. And then when they came out played through 2&3 (4&6) and fell in love with square. I can't wait for it to come out on dvd... i'll rip an extra copy just to watch and just put the collectors set on the shelf for displayonly.


Ziko: Why do you need those exact pics in reguar size? Looking to make a bootleg?

[Chrno]

Man..some people really take the whole thing too far, I am pretty sure most people will buy the dvds just because they didn't fangirl it on here dosen't mean they are as good as fans as some of you that keep complaining are *me included I usually go to FF forums for that ^^;* so hey try to calm down regarding that topic and just discuss the movie.

[kapsi]

uh....so now all of a sudden final fantasy gets a bunch of supporters?

yeah right, i doubt ppl will buy it. if you're one of them, im talking to you.
Square should make new good games instead of beating dead horses.

Except Vagrant Story which should have a sequel kthx

[Sayo]

Sorry if this is stupid but about downloading the movie....

Its not a fake right? Its the whole movie?[/I am stupid]
nope, and the quality is quite impressive. . .

[Kucheeky Badkuya]

nope, and the quality is quite impressive. . .

Indeed, I watched a bit of the RAW but, i turned it off due to the fact that I wanted to know what they were saying. I installed Marosaki subtext turned on text and clicked okay. But, the text didn't go on, why?

[tygah]

I keep reading about the last order, what is this? Is it a subgroup or an actual movie? I saw Advent Children btw awesome movie.

[Chrno]

Last Order is the OVA included in the limited edition set it was released by hiro yesterday great quality too saw it this morning a nice story definetly an intro to crisis core.

[Personal Jesus]

I keep reading about the last order, what is this? Is it a subgroup or an actual movie? I saw Advent Children btw awesome movie.

"The Last Order" is a 25 minute anime short depicting the events of Zack and Cloud's escape from Shin-Ra labs + Sephiroth's massacre at Nieblum. Apparently, it was released with the $300 Advent Children DVD box set, although it can easily be downloaded online if you know where to go.

...

My thoughts on Advent Children:

I loved it. The action sequences kicked MY ass back and forth, and although the plot could've been better, I wasn't expecting a deep and intriguing story with plot twists and turns either. Tifa was hot as hell for a CGI model, and Vincent's screen time reminded me why he was my favorite FF7 character in the first place.

Needless to say, I'll be picking up the DVD when it gets released in the States, whenever that may be.

[foofan_22]

Man, this movie kicked ass.
Can't wait till the DVD comes out!

[Talvius]

It Worked!!!


The Movie Is Magnificent!!

[Jack Bauer]

nope, and the quality is quite impressive. . .

*bukkakes all over FFVII box in joy* :tem

[Sayo]

lol, i seem some people figured out the subtitles, glad to be of assistence ;)

[Yukimura]

Does anybody have a link in which I can download this movie? Preferably direct, b/c bittorrent tends to freeze my computer if I'm not careful, but I don't really care.

I'm soooooooo getting this for my friend's bday. She doesn't like FFVII, and she'd probably rather read, but LOL THIS MOVIE. And I can't believe TSENG!!!! O____O!!!! Yes, I read the stuff under spoiler tags. XO

[Liung]

Tsu you should stop reading spoilers you won't enjoy the movie as much as you should :)
For the direct link you can download it on narutofan at a quiet impressive speed (It took me ~1H) with subtitles already put on it. Enjoy

[Raineth]

I loved Advent Children. I've been a fan of FFVII since I was 11 and it's really cool to see it in "fine form" with Advent Children. I've watched it three times so far. It's awesome.

[bakasama08]

its awsome

[BattousaiMS]

Erm can anyone tell me which is the best sub for the movie? I can't wait to get my hand on the dvd but I am too tempted to see the movie now!

[TheVileOne]

A US DVD release date. That's all I fucking want.

Do you guys think there's any chance of Square giving us The Last Order as well with Advent Children?

I think we deserve it for making us wait so long.

[Angelush]

yay! i finally got the subttiles workin~! so loving this movie ^___^ ~

[SUSHI KILLER 4000]

Hey guys,

I am dying to watch this. I am dowloading the movie as we speak but as it is downloading

[H-S]_Final_fantasy_advent_Children <===== is this Fan subbed already?

as also...what's LAST ORDER? Im also downloading [H-S]_LAST_ORDER

[theoneandonly]

a question:

during the credits, it shows that cloud is riding his motorcycle through the mountains. is that CG or real? coz it's freaking gorgeous! :amazed

[A2L]

i wondered that as well.. it is breathtaking. If only games always looked like that... i could truly get lost in the worlds

[TheVileOne]

a question:

during the credits, it shows that cloud is riding his motorcycle through the mountains. is that CG or real? coz it's freaking gorgeous! :amazed

For the landscapes I couldn't even tell. It was so cool! And were those Chocobos running across the field? If they were, FUCK the animators for not rendering a close-up of them!

I WANT CHOCOBOS!

[AdreneLyne]

uh....so now all of a sudden final fantasy gets a bunch of supporters?

yeah right, i doubt ppl will buy it. if you're one of them, im talking to you.

Maybe that's what made me said that Son_Pan?

Jesuss..

[theoneandonly]

well you have to play the game first then you will enjoy AC 130% like i did (i watched it 10 times already :P)

[Atreyu]

watched it yesterday, an i fell in love :D
i always was intrested in FF games, but didnt had PS to play on!
cant wait till 2disc special edition DVD comes out here in europe ^^

btw the end credit where cloud rides the bike, the landscape is in Japan ofc and cloud and the bike and the chocobos are REAL!, na j/k cloud and bike are CG ;)

[SkriK]

Is there anywhere to read the Final Fantasy Story before watching the Advent Children movie? A friend of mine wants to see it but also wants to understand what it's about, he haven't played the game so.

[Lien]

I watched it about half an hour ago. Cloud...is just so...*faints*

[Sayo]

Is there anywhere to read the Final Fantasy Story before watching the Advent Children movie? A friend of mine wants to see it but also wants to understand what it's about, he haven't played the game so.Last order?

but seriously the story isn't that hard to understand, i think he can well enjoy it without having the experience of playing a game before it ;)

[Atreyu]

oke
where can i get the last order?
i only got one episode and i dont know wich one it is ^^

[rokkudaime]

does anybody know if there is a European release?, getting it from US wont make any difference as long as you have region 1 but i heard in the limited edition, they are gonna include the original game and i wanna get it but im not sure if its gonna be compatible with a european PS2

[Liung]

Last Order in an OVA, there is only one. You could say it's a teaser of what's coming in Crisis Core which will be released on psp in 2006

[Hagi]

rokku there was always gonna be a european release ^^

[NecroAngel]

Is there anywhere to read the Final Fantasy Story before watching the Advent Children movie? A friend of mine wants to see it but also wants to understand what it's about, he haven't played the game so.


Here... http://www.ffcompendium.com/h/ff7story.shtml

It's pretty long though :\

[Son_Pan]

everyone is wondering about the bonus scene at the end of the movie.

the scenery was filmed in Hawaii. Square-Enix has a company over there. and obviously, they only put cloud and aerith into the scenes. i think it was nicely done. specially with 'Calling'

[theoneandonly]

as i have said... to gain 130% of satisfaction you have to play the game and beat it first. (and yeah it helps to get vincent and yuffie in yer party too, i doubt anyone couldn't get them though :P)

[rokkudaime]

rokku there was always gonna be a european release ^^
is it the exact special ed one with the shirts and the statue and the game and etc?

[Final Ultima]

Is there anywhere to read the Final Fantasy Story before watching the Advent Children movie? A friend of mine wants to see it but also wants to understand what it's about, he haven't played the game so.http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/final_fantasy_vii_plot.txt

Extensive, but it should suffice.

[Chouzu_Tao]

I also thoroughly enjoyed this film. I can honestly say as a fanboy of many things, I've never been more pleased with a film adaption. Very cool, well done CG.

[Jack Bauer]

umm im having trouble with it. I have the media file, but no sound

[Atreyu]

Last Order in an OVA, there is only one. You could say it's a teaser of what's coming in Crisis Core which will be released on psp in 2006


wait so LAst Order is just ONE anime movie and its like you said some kinda trailer for new movie?
is that one gonna be anything like Advent Children?
and only for PSP? damn you sony!

[kenshinboi]

rokku there was always gonna be a european release :smile-big ROKKU THERE WAS ALWAYS GONNA BE A EUROPE RELEASE:mad

[Sayo]

ROKKU THERE WAS ALWAYS GONNA BE A EUROPE RELEASE:mad
yeh i guess so, since the other movie was also released here. . .

and since this is 983598956,3484 times better it's probably going to be availeble in most country's. .

[Hagi]

ROKKU THERE WAS ALWAYS GONNA BE A EUROPE RELEASE:mad


o.O wtf is up with you???


SE have yet to announce anything to do with the deluxe edition being released outside of japan BUT it is fact apparently that the american release of AC is 29th of november :woo

[Wing-Zero]

damn i cant get the dvd for my brithday i will just buy it when it comes out lol

[Jack Bauer]

saw the movie.













pure greatness.... :cool :wOOt



I hope they do one for like FFX.....

[Rankin]

This movie was awesome. It was like someone took a large piece of awesome and crammed it into an .avi file.

I laughed. I cried. I thought the fight scenes were freaking awesome.

[Baka-san]

Great animation, and they definately made it feel like a game. I found myself forgetting that it wasn't using real people. ^_^ Ina sugoi!

[Jack Bauer]

where can i dl the final order?

[Laiquelleion]

There is only one way to correctly describe this movie.....Pure Joy.:o: I have not been this excited since I began watching the Rurounk Kenshin OVA's.


:wOOt

[Sayo]

where can i dl the final order?last order (http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0W6ESU3IHT4W628G6GQ75R3KXN)

:)

[Jack Bauer]

:omg thanks :glomp

[NekkiBasara]

that was crazy....god bless downloading and watching it for free....but whenever it comes out here im still going to pay for it and pick it up.....that shit was crazy....i want to get the bike and cloud now....shit and i couldnt remember half the shit that happened in the game because i played it like 7 years ago but i was reminded and some of it started to come back....fuckin cell phones wtf were they doin with cell phones....damn that shit was crazy....

[Raineth]

Yeah, too bad Cloud lost his PHS in the lake. I wonder were Loz would keep his phone anyways if he's wearing like, skin-tight leather. And getting bashed around the Church benches? Yikes. I loved the background music in that fight too. Clever, clever. Same with One Winged Angel in the final battle.

[kapsi]

last order (http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0W6ESU3IHT4W628G6GQ75R3KXN)

:)
*shamelessly downloads*

[NaRa]

I Watched Advent Children..The friggan world could explode inot a fiery doom.And I would die a very happy man.

[Sayo]

I Watched Advent Children..The friggan world could explode inot a fiery doom.And I would die a very happy man.
i think none of sephi/cloudo's fangirls minds if they would burn alive while sawing 1 of them figures :P

[Final Ultima]

Yeah, too bad Cloud lost his PHS in the lake.It's not like he can't get a new one...hell, Vincent was inquiring about where to get one. XD

[Raineth]

Haha, I never noticed that. I guess I got to watch the movie again more carefully on that part. I never saw the Omnislash from the game because I couldn't get enough points for it... But was it similar to the one Cloud pulled off against Sephiroth?

By the way, is there anywhere you can like download an Advent Children Soundtrack or something?

[Final Ultima]

It wasn't really all that similar at all.

Also, the OST hasn't been released or leaked in it's entirety yet, so you're just going to have to be patient for a while.

[NaRa]

How many ovas are their for the last order?just one?I saw one that starts off with zack and cloud being chased and it flashing back to their fight with sephiroth.It just kinda seemed like it was in the middle of it all.

It was similar in a sense that he hit the shit put of him alot..other than that it looks completely different.well they were in the air..so its kinda similar..i ono.It still kicked ass though.

[Oskar von Reuental]

I don't think there's an OST out...yet. XD

[Final Ultima]

Just the one OAV.

[theoneandonly]

yeah but you can pre-order the OST... Isure getting it! there are awesome troacks in there :amuse

[Chouzu_Tao]

yeah but you can pre-order the OST... Isure getting it! there are awesome troacks in there :amuse

There definately are..... man I can't wait to own this movie, too bad we won't be getting a special edition here, well to the size of Japan's pre-order special edition was.

[Raineth]

Yeah, I'll probably wait for the OST to come out. Oh, and on the off-note, has anyone downloaded the OC Remix of Stille More Fighting? At www.ocremix.org, go to "remixes" on the left nav. and look for FFVII - FightOn. It's really cool. Plus there's an OC Remix of One Winged Angel. Just thought I'd say that. And if I'm the last to find that out... then, oops, forget about the last three sentences.

[EndlessRain]

onewingedangel <3
I luv you Square. That was a great movie..great charcters..great graphics..yeaa what im saying now you prolly heard it all..cloud and tifa own, renos hilarious..me<<FF7AC

[BattousaiMS]

OMFG Cloud OWNZ with those Swords. Best move of all FF now is his Omnislash version AC!

They seriously better remake the whole game with cloud and those owning swords! Too bad the real game didn't have that many sword fights. I think the fight animators deserve an Oscar/Emmy (dunno which one is the best) for FF7AC, because seriously those fights kill! I really liked how they didn't over due on the materias.

Although Bahamut kinda looked like one of the Ultima weapons the first one (Diamond). When I first saw it, I was like "OMFG That's DIAMOND!", but then I someone told me it was Bahamut. Kadaj is dumb though... why not trying to summon Bahamut Zero instead. Alteast none summoned KoR, that would have been a way too strong.

I can't wait till they release the International version of it!!

[theoneandonly]

i really love the track: "Advent: One Winged Angel" from the OST! :amuse

[me_is_david]

random but I find it funny hwo there are like... soooo many FF7:AC sigs and avatars now lol

before the movie came out I can only recall 3 people having a sig or avatar of AC
now its like.... everywhere haha

nothing wrong with that but I just find it very funny.
I would be one to have them also but im too lazy to make them

[Angelush]

i really hope they would remake the game~! ^_^ sephi so cool..one winged angel~! :love

[Dimezanime88]

Holy Crap this thread is still at it?! Amazing........

[Oskar von Reuental]

i really love the track: "Advent: One Winged Angel" from the OST! :amuse

I agree, when it started playing in the movie -- :faint :faint :faint

[theoneandonly]

Holy Crap this thread is still at it?! Amazing........

of course! :amuse

[TheVileOne]

If we don't get a US release date soon...I think I'm going to crack.

[Atreyu]

i dont know if its real but ..
i got a small .rar with like 6 mp3's ...and it says "Final Fantasy 7 Advent Children OST"
one or two songs are from the movie im sure, dont know if its the real OST!

btw i really loved the rock music in the movie ..anyone can get a mp3 of that?
to bad it isnt in the OST i found

[theoneandonly]

Actual listings of the OST from cdjapan.com:

1. Opening
2. The Promised Land
3. Beyond The Wasteland
4. Sign
5. Tifa's Theme (Piano Version)
6. For the Reunion
7. Tatakau Monotachi (Piano Version)
8. Water
9. Materia
10. Black Water
11. Theme of Aerth (Piano Version)
12. Battle in the Forgotten City
13. Violator
14. Kita no Daikudo (FFVII AC Version)
15. Divinity I
16. Tatakau Monotachi (FFVII AC Version)
17. Sara ni Tatakau Monotachi (FFVII AC Version)
18. Divinity II
19. Encounter
20. The Chase of Highway
21. Savior
22. J-E-N-O-V-A (FF7 AC VERSION)
23. Advent: One-Winged Angel
24. Cloud Smiles
25. End Credits
26. Calling

[Atreyu]

i only got few of those!
so ..its beter then nothing :D
and im sure gonna get the OST asap, just hope those dutch morons dont skip this merch "oh its japanese ...no one buys this here ...dont order!" :@

[theoneandonly]

the release date of the OST is actually on the 29 of September if I'm not mistaken

[me_is_david]

If we don't get a US release date soon...I think I'm going to crack.

and if your talking about the movie release date, they have it for November 29th

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=7422

[EndlessRain]

lol..28.95

augh another 2 months

[NaRa]

is there a way to put the advent children avi file onto a dvd.do you need like a dvd writing program?

[Raineth]

is there a way to put the advent children avi file onto a dvd.do you need like a dvd writing program?

Well, when I downloaded this one Torrent, I couldn't play it until I saved it onto a disk. I had to take the cue file and run it through Nero Express 6 to save it to a disk. This probably won't help a lot, but that's how I got mine saved to a disk. I can't remember what Torrent it was though.

[Pickens]

This movie...awwwww this movie...I hated it and loved it at the same time, first I'll start with what I hated (mostly just RETARDED inconsistanties...oh yeah, spoilers ahead)

First off, why the crap did they bring back Rufus and Tseng!? Rufus was dead, but I have an easier time believing he survived than Tseng. Tseng was STABBED by Sephiroth and he stayed in the temple of the ancients which shrunk into the black Materia, and then even later in the game Reno and Rude come after you to see if you killed Tseng! He was dead but he's alive! It was just retarded...which brings us to our next overly retarded point...Kadaj turned into Sephiroth, what the crap was that about!? Oh well I thought that him turning into Seph was retarded, but I guess that's how it is.....

I DID like the fight sequences, the awesome visuals and the superb music.....This movie was good on it's own, but not a fitting sequel to something as good as Final Fantasy VII......I perfer VII's ending to be the final one.....

[shadow_sand]

I got completely lost with those instructions....can't someone just send the video?

[shadow_sand]

I read the summary. Did Cloud die??

EDIT: Gah double post sorry.

[SUSHI KILLER 4000]

Holy Crap guys!! That movie was beyond awesome. It was exactly what a final fantasy movie should be. More importantly, they kept the nostalgic feeling there. As I kept watching it and watching it...I was saying to myself...Im going to play FF 7 again. They did such an amazing job with the characters, the backgrounds, the homes. They look exactly the same as if in FF 7. The fighting was beyond awesome and there is more action in this movie then 10 hollywood movies combined.

More importantly....I am in peace now. I never liked the ending to FF 7...(especially if you compared it to other Final fantasy games). But FF 7: AC is the real ending.

(FF 7 + FF7:AC) >>>>>>>>>> Any story ever made.

[Near]

That was a good movie. Took me like 3 days to get but meh.

[Final Ultima]

In case anyone is interested, apparently Square Enix have given names to Cloud's new sword and final Limit Break.

Cloud's new sword is...
Japanese: ファースト剣
Romaji: Faasuto Tsurugi
English: First Sword

Cloud's final Limit Break is...
Japanese: 超究武神覇斬ver.5
Romaji: Choukyuubushinhazan ver.5
English (Literal Translation): Super Ultimate War God Champion Slash ver.5
English (Accepted Translation): Omnislash ver.5

God knows why it's ver.5 instead of ver.2, but whatever.I found this information at an FAQ with the interview at http://cobopeko123.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ff7ac-faq.html.

Edit: Also, all the old FFVII cast are Level 99 except for the Turks, who are lower. (I also read something about Cloud and a limit breakthrough in that sentence...he went past Level 99, maybe?)

[Dark Shadow]

I'm watching the movie now. I already know some of the spoilers btw :D

It's really awesome. I mean it. When they release it in theaters here (If that ever happens), this is gonna kick ass!!!

[Oskar von Reuental]

^^

Maybe because the sword split into 5 parts plus the original during the Limit Break?

Probably not. :laugh

[theoneandonly]

see i told you it's the omnislash :amuse

[Son_Pan]

random but I find it funny hwo there are like... soooo many FF7:AC sigs and avatars now lol

before the movie came out I can only recall 3 people having a sig or avatar of AC
now its like.... everywhere haha

nothing wrong with that but I just find it very funny.
I would be one to have them also but im too lazy to make them


I've always had Advent Children stuff in my sigs/avatars, ever since the time where i registerd here, and when i was at the comments even.

but yeah, i agree, all of a sudden, all these supporters come out of nowhere? :huh

[Final Ultima]

I've always had Advent Children stuff in my sigs/avatars, ever since the time where i registerd here, and when i was at the comments even.

but yeah, i agree, all of a sudden, all these supporters come out of nowhere? :huh*has had a Sephiroth avatar for over five years (only just changed it to this one a few days ago) and the same Sephiroth sig (with Sephiroth's first design for Advent Children) since about a month after it was announced*

[Son_Pan]

*has had a Sephiroth avatar for over five years (only just changed it to this one a few days ago) and the same Sephiroth sig (with Sephiroth's first design for Advent Children) since about a month after it was announced*

of course, FinalUltima. I know you're a dedicated fan.

[EndlessRain]

^ holy shyt whered you get the vincent tag?..that stock is hot, i need it? :oh

[nah-nah]

Hi everyone. I've seen this movie over and over and over again, and i can't get tired of it. The animation is incredible, the story is awesome, the music is perfect, and the action is just NONSTOP.

I don't think I've seen such a good movie in a long time... This is totally my new favorite. Go Cloud.

They made everyone look awesome. Cait Sith is always going to make me laugh. I don't know why.

[Raineth]

*has had a Sephiroth avatar for over five years (only just changed it to this one a few days ago) and the same Sephiroth sig (with Sephiroth's first design for Advent Children) since about a month after it was announced*

*Was there when Rhys first changed his Avatar to the Sepiroth Sprite, and when he changed it to the AC Sephiroth scene*

I guess I should clear my name too huh?... Uh... Well... I'm just a big Cloud fan. Plus I never had any good AC pics when it was announced, nor did I have any photo-editing programs to make any graphics.

[shadow_sand]

dang....too bad i dont have bitorrent..Is there DD?

[Dimezanime88]

There is direct download. If you have good speeds, I will send it to ya [the subs]. Either that or you get the raw from the DVD-Rip thread.

[Raineth]

This movie...awwwww this movie...I hated it and loved it at the same time, first I'll start with what I hated (mostly just RETARDED inconsistanties...oh yeah, spoilers ahead)

First off, why the crap did they bring back Rufus and Tseng!? Rufus was dead, but I have an easier time believing he survived than Tseng. Tseng was STABBED by Sephiroth and he stayed in the temple of the ancients which shrunk into the black Materia, and then even later in the game Reno and Rude come after you to see if you killed Tseng! He was dead but he's alive! It was just retarded...which brings us to our next overly retarded point...Kadaj turned into Sephiroth, what the crap was that about!? Oh well I thought that him turning into Seph was retarded, but I guess that's how it is.....

Well, Rufus tried explaining what had happened in the Sinra Building when it was stuck, but Cloud kept cutting him off from explaining the whole thing... Which really sucks. >>

But you're right about the Tseng thing though. I don't get why the hell he's still alive.

[shadow_sand]

yeah i got high speed internet. Thanx i'd apppreciate that.

[BattousaiMS]

In case anyone is interested, apparently Square Enix have given names to Cloud's new sword and final Limit Break.

Cloud's new sword is...
Japanese: ファースト剣
Romaji: Faasuto Tsurugi
English: First Sword

Cloud's final Limit Break is...
Japanese: 超究武神覇斬ver.5
Romaji: Choukyuubushinhazan ver.5
English (Literal Translation): Super Ultimate War God Champion Slash ver.5
English (Accepted Translation): Omnislash ver.5

God knows why it's ver.5 instead of ver.2, but whatever.I found this information at an FAQ with the interview at http://cobopeko123.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ff7ac-faq.html.

Edit: Other things stated in the FAQ are that the Bahamut is called Bahamut Shin, not Bahamut Sin. Also, all the old FFVII cast are Level 99 except for the Turks, who are lower. (I also read something about Cloud and a limit breakthrough in that sentence...he went past Level 99, maybe?)


That sword... I thought it was the Ultima weapon remake... where he could combine ragnarok + ultima weapon + heaven's cloud + etc. togather ...

If they make a remake of the game, they better make that one the ultima weapon cuz the game's one looked kinda ugly. Oh yeah, I just noticed why I did'nt see Cloud use many materias... they were all in his god damn sword (with that amont of swords slots who needs to equip in the guard slots). Those Materia spells he used really looked cool though then how he used to originally cast them in the game.

BTW I just restarted FF7 (I got the PC version) and I am already lvl 23 (Cloud) and got Yuffie already.

[火影ナルト]

Just watched Last Order. It's a 2d version of Zack and Cloud fighting Sephiroth in Nibelheim. Zack VS Sephiroth looked good. Most of the music wasn't from the game or new movie, which is a shame because it made the film feel not like Final Fantasy VII. There aren't any revelations for people who played the game already. So then, this film is only worth it for the Zack VS Sephiroth fight.

Are there any other anime FFVII things out now?

[kapsi]

Super Ultimate War God Champion Slash ver.5? Lol, that's so stupid. Anyway, too bad Cloud didn't use the nail bat, I'm dissapointed.



I've always had Advent Children stuff in my sigs/avatars, ever since the time where i registerd here, and when i was at the comments even.

but yeah, i agree, all of a sudden, all these supporters come out of nowhere?
Not everyone has to be a 'dedicated fan' of this movie since it was announced, and you might drop that elitist attitude already.

[Final Ultima]

By the way, ignore my previous statement about the new Bahamut's name, Shin can be romanised as Sin (for example, in the case of Sin from Final Fantasy X).

[narutorulez]

this movie is so terribe AWSOME!i must re-watch it soon!

[Ssj3_Goku]

The movie was pretty kick ass. Animation and music wise. but u got to admit their where plot holes.

2 years after this game this is suppose to take. First off i iremeber killing the head of jenova so how the fuck did it surive? secondly HOW THE HELL DID RUFUS SURVIE! seriously i dont care square just poping him back from the dead was stupid as hell. he got freaking blown up for crist sake.

[Baki]

I loved it. Really can't wait until the US release. The part when the phone rings after the church fight was hilarious!

[Low-fi Boy]

Yeah on plotholes: Tseng still alive? Wtf?

But apart from that, love that song at the end, 'Calling' I think its called

[kapsi]

Maybe Rufus had high defence/magic defence stat...or something to nullify city leveling beams of doom

[theoneandonly]

hmm... are there anymore materia that we don't know? (the bunch yuffie's holding)

[Dimezanime88]

Oh shit, now the people are coming in after noticing mistakes in the movie after atleast 1 week of realease. I knew this was going to happen. They got caught up to much in the action.

[Liung]

For those interested in FF VII: Crisis Core (And I'm sure there are many), I found a "trailer" of it(more a teaser) . Don't know if you guys have already seen it. I posted it in the gaming department

[Raineth]

I've seen it. Looks pretty cool.

By the way... Anyone see the Advent Children pictures and trailers from like two or so years ago when it was first announced? In the Cloud/Kadaj battle Cloud was using the Buster Sword instead of the First Sword.

[SUSHI KILLER 4000]

For jenova's head. Yea..that's gone...but his "NECK"....LOL ;)

** I watched it 5 times now, and there are some plot holes (as should be a 30+ hour RPGleaves too many unanswered questions), but they patched the Aerith (Its AERITH, NOT AERIS...damn english version) and cloud relationship alot better.

Also...what is this that syndrome? Where did that desease come from? Thats probably where I got the most confused.

[Kami-Sama]

^for what i understand the disease comes from the mix of the lifestream with jenova's head. jenova also know as the calamity from the skies, when she/he arrived on "earth" she infected the cetra with a deadly viral disease that erradicated most of the race. the lifestream is like a circle of life (yea i like the lion king... sue me LOL) when you die you become lifestream and when you're born you come from the lifestream. Most of the ppl infected in the movie were injected with jenova cells (cloud and rufus (somehow)) and the children that seems that came from the lifestream infected with the jenova cells (hence advent children somehow). that's the better explanation i came with.

Not everyone has to be a 'dedicated fan' of this movie since it was announced, and you might drop that elitist attitude already.

totally agrees, i've been following the movie and even played the game to death 2 weeks before release and i don't have to put sigs and brag about being a pure fanatic to be one, and you dont have to be one to enjoy such a great movie.

edit: sorry kapsi, since college is killing me i havent had the time to look into the cetra thingy :P

[Pickens]

Super Ultimate War God Champion Slash ver.5? Lol, that's so stupid. Anyway, too bad Cloud didn't use the nail bat, I'm dissapointed.


Yes Cloud Should have just taken that out and beat Kadaj over the head with it lol

Yeah on plotholes: Tseng still alive? Wtf?

But apart from that, love that song at the end, 'Calling' I think its called

Amen, and yeah that song was great =')

[Atreyu]

hold it, is Crisis Core a game or anime or GCI movie?
becouse the trailer looks anime to me .... or is it a game after all?

[genjo sanzo]

Yeah on plotholes: Tseng still alive? Wtf?

But apart from that, love that song at the end, 'Calling' I think its called

well actually they never really declared Tseng dead, he was just lying there ...dying. Nobody went and checked his pulse or anything, just because someone is quietly laying on the ground after losing horribly doesn't mean they're dead.

btw, that song is great. Cloud on his bike during the credits looks fantastic.

[BattousaiMS]

Actually there isn't any errors in the movie here is why:

Tsung => We thought he died because he was near unconciousness/death when the black pyramid went boom. Of course there was that part were Reno says something like Tsung died... but that is like the only thing that gives us that Tsung might have died.

Rufus => All we saw was Shira Inc. taking a direct hit and crumbling. That a very big building and still the whole thing didn't collapse on itself so there was a great chance he might have survived, but was trapped for sometime (hence why we had Heider and the blond bish (forgot her name) claim the new owner of Shinra :laugh.

Jenova's case => They aren't talking about the head but part of the neck... the head and most of her body was destroyed.

There were some new materia's Sin Bahamut was one of them and looks like it was taken from Cloud's stash. It would' have been funny if Cloud Bahamut Zero to counter it (shooting from outer space = win). The only materia deception i guess was that Cloud didn't use Ultima or Comet, which would have been nice to see (with effect an all). So far I have seen Lightning3/Fire3 and Earth3 in action along with some other enhancing materias. The only thing is they don't have their giant effects like in the game.


As for Omnislash version 5, you have to remember the character needs to charge his limit break first and for Cloud the only one who can do it in real life is Sephiroth. Still it beats the shit out, coolest move in FF history now. I still havn't identified all the 5 swords thought, but i am think are : Ultima Weapon/Ragnarok/Heaven's Cloud/Enhance Sword/Apocalypse.

The one he was holding in the end was while minishing Loz and co. was Heaven's Cloud. The one he pointed towards Rude while meeting with Rufus was Ultima Weapon without the others ones combined in it. The one that transforms from a small object to a sword is Enhance sword. Ragnarok is the one he pilled out of while slicing trough Sephiroth's present (falling burining building). The main one where all the weapons are combined is Ultima weapon It's also the second bigger sword he uses while fighting Sephiroth after the burning building part. Cloud likes to go dual sword with Ultima weapon + Ragnarok or Ultima Weapon + Enhanced sword. As for Apocalypse you see it in the end the wierd looking sword that lands near him after doing Omnislash version 5. That's what I think anyway :laugh.

[kapsi]

I've seen it. Looks pretty cool.

By the way... Anyone see the Advent Children pictures and trailers from like two or so years ago when it was first announced? In the Cloud/Kadaj battle Cloud was using the Buster Sword instead of the First Sword.
They changed few things from trailers too, like the explosion where Cloud jumps on Kadaj.

well actually they never really declared Tseng dead, he was just lying there ...dying. Nobody went and checked his pulse or anything, just because someone is quietly laying on the ground after losing horribly doesn't mean they're dead.
the temple shrinked, 'killing' cait sith with it so he must've crawled out of it but then again they would notice him?

edit: He has ultima weapon? but it was glass/crystal in the game?

[BattousaiMS]

They changed few things from trailers too, like the explosion where Cloud jumps on Kadaj.

the temple shrinked, 'killing' cait sith with it so he must've crawled out of it but then again they would notice him?

edit: He has ultima weapon? but it was glass/crystal in the game?

It's Ultima Weapon remodeled I guess... the original one was pretty ugly ~.~.

[Raineth]

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=2015912&postcount=1105

I think the main sword (containing the other 5 or whatever) is called the First Sword. As stated in that post by Rhys.

The other ones are probably still Ragnarok, Heaven's Cloud... etc.

[Sayo]

did any1 noticed the easter egg written on jenova's head, it also says "1995 square productions" :P

[Final Ultima]

Some new info from that FAQ in the post Raineth just linked to...

"On the Way to a Smile", which is currently at Episode 1-4 (although the translations have only gone as far as 1-3 thus far), will be divided into two parts...Denzel's story and Tifa's story.

Also, there will be a new story called "Maiden Over The Star", which seemingly (I'm relying mostly on a machine translation here) details what happened to Aerith after her death, such as meeting people in the Lifestream etc.

Edit: I can also more or less verify that statement about the old FFVII cast being at Level 99, except with Cloud being at a higher level and the Turks being at a lower level.

[Ephemeral]

I got a question, what is..Geostigma? as in affects =o

[TDM]

Well obviously it's a disease. I'm watching it now :tem

[Jordy]

I just know that it rocks XD

[TDM]

It does, I finally finished it. Great movie :tem

[Ephemeral]

Well obviously it's a disease. I'm watching it now :tem

Read over what I posted, "affects". Of course I know its a disease.

[shadow_sand]

how can i dd the movie?? I don't have bitorrent and when i did have it it had viruses and porn attached to it. So yeah dd...

[theoneandonly]

hmm... yeah i noticed when i first opened the file. but luckily my antivirus was on..

[Dimezanime88]

Read over what I posted, "affects". Of course I know its a disease.

Then of course you should've also known that it was lethal and could propbably cause death. I think Cloud in the flower garden is the best example of it's physical affect, that's if I'm right; you know, the part where he is holding Tifa and his arm starts to detereorate [sp].

[Supreme-Shinobi]

OK ATTENTION, at www.gamefaqs.com, cloud is gettin beat by link from zelda games in a popularity contest, i urge everyone to stop this sacraligious act and go vote for cloud now.

[Jikes]

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4352/rockin0jw.jpg

I dont know if this has been posted already but I think it funny!

any news to when the soundtrack somes out? i would really like to listen to it

[Atreyu]

VOTE CLOUD!
althou i like Link ofcourse ..old days on Zelda >.>
but hell, cloud got enchanted Sword :P

[narutorulez]

here you can download last crisis/anime wich is 25 minutes long!

http://www.ff7acmovie.com/downloads/func,select/id,8/

[Final Ultima]

Last Order? We know.

[narutorulez]

oh yeah forgot the name..sry

[Kayo]

Everyone vote on Cloud on gamefaqs! :P

[Ziko]

What is this Last order and that stuff?
I have seen the movie but what is Last Order?

[Kayo]

What is this Last order and that stuff?
I have seen the movie but what is Last Order?

Its an animation, didnt like it though.

[Pickens]

the temple shrinked, 'killing' cait sith with it so he must've crawled out of it but then again they would notice him?



Reeve had made a lot of Cait Sith robots, he just sent Cait Sith #2 down there......

[kapsi]

o rly .

[EndlessRain]

cloud > link
hell its always the ff players who lose TT

[Cytokinesis]

The reason Jenova isn't dead or whatever is because simply Jenova can't die. Here is a very long explanation I found from nuklear power forums.

I have been doing a lot of searching into the FF7 storyline (in the game itself, not on secondary theories). Anyways, this is a very misunderstood story, so I thought I might just make it clear to a lot of non-understanding people. This will go into the deeper aspects of Final Fantasy VII, not just the shallow aspects like "how cool Sephiroth is" or "how sad Aeris's death scene is".

Before you read, let me tell you the formation of my guide: First I will talk about the most important elements to the game, which are The Planet, Spirit Energy/Lifestream, and Jenova. Then I will go through FF7 and all the important aspects in complete chronoligical order starting with the ancient times of the Cetra, the JENOVA project involving Hojo, Gast, and Lucrecia, the incident that changed Sephiroth and Cloud's life five years prior to the game, and the game itself. I will also refer to the official script where you can find here: http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/final_fantasy_vii_script_d1.txt

Also, I will say here that though I am showing the great credit of Sephiroth here, I am not one of the rabid Sephiroth fans that think he's so cool and the best villain ever. I just thing he's unique, and has a good complex story himself.

Anyways, READ EVERYTHING I WRITE! Everything I write here is important, and I will use facts based on other facts I showed you throughout the post.

So let's start:
The Planet (which I will refer to as "Earth" throughout this post) is a spiritual being. It is a living being as you all know, because you hear it's cries throughout the game. But it's not a physical being, it is a mental being. It has no mass, and it consists of Spirit Energy. How do I explain Spirit Energy? Well, let the master explain it:

Bugenhagen: Ho Ho Hoooo. Yes, it is something, isn't it? Well, let's get to the
subject. Eventually... all humans die. What happens to them after they die? The
body decomposes, and returns to the Planet. That much everyone knows. What
about their consciousness, their hearts and their souls? The soul too returns to
the Planet. And not only those of humans, but everything on this Planet. In
fact,
all living things in the universe, are the same. The spirits that return to the
Planet, merge with one another and roam the Planet. They roam, converge, and
divide, becoming a swell, called the 'Lifestream'. Lifestream... In other words,
a path of energy of the souls roaming the Planet. 'Spirit Energy' is a word that
you should never forget. A new life... children are blessed with Spirit energy
and are brought into the world. Then, the time comes when they die and once
again return to the Planet... Of course there are exceptions, but this is the
way of the world. I've digressed, but you'll understand better if you watch
this.
What he was saying is that Spirit Energy is a mental energy that gives people life. When a lifeform is born, it is gifted with Spirit Energy which gives it the power to feel and think. When life dies, it's Spirit Energy joines the Lifestream, or stream of souls and is once again under Earth's control to be reused. Spirit Energy is a very holy element of the game, and is Squaresoft's symbolic use for life.
It is based on the "Conservation of Energy" law. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only conserved. When life dies, it merely returns the Spirit Energy back to the planet so it can become reused.
Now remember this: The Planet is basically a God. In fact, you can say it is God for the living beings of Earth. That is because Spirit Energy is what allows us to feel and think, and separates life in the universe from mere matter floating around in the universe.
Spirit Energy is made up of the knowledge of life, and when it is sent into the lifestream the knowledge is mixed with each other making the eternal knowledge of the planet.

The Promised Land is something discussed thoroughly throught the game of FF7. The Promised Land is so commonly believed by the Shinra to be the area in the Northern Crater where Spirit Energy returns to it's system to be reused and make an unlimited supply of Mako for the Shinra. However that is false. The main theme of FF7 is the salvation of mankind. And Cetra were humans with mankind's salvation. The knowledge of the planet, and ability to communicate with the planet. They were allowed to join the Promised Land when they die. The Promised Land is a land of eternal happines, just like Heaven to us.

Now let's focus on another element Squaresoft used in the game; the anti-life, or the element of darkness and death: Jenova. Jenova was as we know, an Alien that landed on Earth during the time of the Cetra and Human conflict. It is referred to several times as the "Calamity from the skies" in the game. Note: at the beginning of the game you are under the impression that it is a Cetra. But that is before you find out it is an alien.
Jenova Cells are cells that were taken from Jenova in the "JENOVA Project." The Shinra corporation thought it was a Cetra, and wanted to inject it into high ranking Soldiers to give them extra Cetra powers. In fact, it was even injected into Lucrecia's womb when she was impregnated with Sephiroth so that the Cetra cells could merge with Sephiroth's stem cells (the cells a Fetus is made up of) and he could become a Cetra. And of course, this instead made him a living incarnation of Jenova, the Alien.
Jenova, and her cells are an element of the game that is used to oppose Spirit Energy. In fact, it is the element of evil.
Another thing is the Jenova reunion. Many didn't understand what it was, but Hojo states perfectly what it is.

Hojo: He's a Sephiroth clone I created after the real Sephiroth died five years
ago. Jenova cells and Mako, with my knowledge and skills, have been combined
with science and nature to bring him to life. ...I'm not wild about the failure
part, but the Jenova Reunion Theory has now been proven. You see, even if
Jenova's body is dismembered, it will eventually become one again. That's what
is meant by Jenova's Reunion to start. Five years have passed, and now the
Clones have began to return.

You know that the Shinra company took apart Jenova to inject her cells into attempt Sephiroth Clones. The Reunion is simply what Jenova wants, which is to gather all of her separated cells injected into others, so they can rebuild her and she can regain her consciousness and power.

Now, let's start with story time!
What are the Cetra? The Cetra are beings with a special power: They can communicate with the Planet (remember that, it's important). But how do they separate themselves from humans? Well here's a perfect explanation:

Sephiroth: You ignorant traitor. I'll tell you. This was a itinerant race. They
would migrate in, settle the Planet, then move on... At the end of their harsh,
hard journey, they would find the Promised Land and supreme happiness. But,
those who stopped their migrations built shelters and elected to lead an easier
life. They took that which the Cetra and the planet had made without giving back
one whit in return! Those are your ancestors.
That's right, the humans are actually Cetra that refused to migrate in search of the Promised Land. They eventually lost the knowledge of the Cetra, and de-evolved into humans. This was a big conflict between humans and Cetra. And to make matters worse, something happened then:
Jenova landed. I would like to use the part of the script with the Ilfana and Gast tapes, but that's not in the script. Ilfana basically says that it looked like their dead mothers and brothers, and tricked them. That means, she made herself look like deceised Cetra.
One important aspect of the game is that the power of Jenova is to create illusions.

Sephiroth: Cloud... Don't blame Tifa. The ability to change one's looks, voice,
and words, is the power of Jenova.

Jenova then plagued the Cetra, and killed almost all of them. The remaining Cetra barely able to fight, managed to defeat Jenova, and put her in a comatose, putting her back into the meteor at the North Crater (it's a crater now since it landed). However, Jenova has no Spirit Energy to return to the Planet, and therefore Jenova cannot truly die.

Anyways, now let's go to the next part of the story. Over the years, the Cetra have been very very few, and dying off. Slightly prior to the events of FF7, there was only one pure Cetra left on the planet named Ilfana (Aeris wasn't pure Cetra, only half Cetra, her father was human). Over the time, the humans (which were numerous now) built a corporation they called the Shinra corporation. It is basically a corporation that supplies electricity to Midgar, but they also own Midgar, and a Soldier aspect. In fact, they practically run the world, sorta like the U.S. runs this world currently. However, they are also a sort of dirty company. They have something called "The Turks" which is a secret organization owned by Shinra, and is practically the Maffia. They are given secret hits, and do things for Shinra that aren't open to the public. Another important thing about Shirna: They use Mako Reactors. What it does is it connects to the Planet's Spirit Energy, uses it and mixes it with chemicals to create "Mako Energy" which is used to power up people's electricity. However it is also used to inject into Soldiers to make them more powerful. The sinister aspect of it is that it wastes the Planet's Spirit Energy, and may soon erase all the Spirit Energy in the system, thus getting rid of life altogether and changing the universe back into a void of meaningless floating materials.

[Cytokinesis]

Continued


Anyways, the Shinra had just discovered the comatose body of Jenova in the Northern Crater, which they thought was a Cetra. They decided to start the "JENOVA Project" which was taking cells from this Jenova body, and inserting them in top ranking Soldiers making them have the power of a Cetra. They assigned their three top scientists to this project: Hojo, Gast, and Lucrecia.
Proffessor Gast was married to Ilfana, who was the only surviving Cetra at the time. She gave him great knowledge of the Planet and it's history, and knowing the truth about Jenova, Proffessor Gast refused to work on the project. All that was left was Lucrecia and Hojo.
Now at the time, the head of the Turks was Vincent Valentine. He was practically at a top ranking Shinra level, and knew Lucrecia. More than knew, he was in love with Lucrecia, but Lucrecia rejected him because she loved Hojo.

Later on Hojo impregnated Lucrecia. Then he got a great idea for the JENOVA project: If he were to inject Jenova Cells into an unborn fetus in Lucrecia's womb, the cells would merge with the Fetus's stem cells, and make him an actual Cetra, reviving the Cetra race. Of course, us knowing what Jenova actually is, allows us to see a different outcome.

Okay, just before the events of the game, here is what happens RIGHT after Cloud throws Sephiroth into the Mako. Cloud is lying down injured after Sephiroth stabbed him. Hojo came, and found Cloud and Zack's body lying in the reactor. He persumed Sephiroth to be dead, and so it was all over the newspapers (don't believe everything you read people). But he had another intention. He took Cloud and Zack into testing in the Neibelheim Mansion. He injected Jenova cells in them in attempt to make them Sephiroth Clones. The Jenova Cells didn't have much of an effect against Zack's strong mind, but it did against Cloud's weak mind. Zack escaped one day, and took Cloud with him.

Now before I continue, this is an integral part of Sephiroth's life. When his zygote was injected with Jenova Cells, he practically merged with Jenova and became a human incarnation of her. In fact, though Lucrecia is technically the mother of Sephiroth, we can say that Jenova is the true mother of Sephiroth. This injection gave birth to a spawn of Jenova, or a child of Jenova. Now, a lot of theories suggest that throughout the game of FF7, Sephiroth was a puppet of Jenova being controlled head to toe by her. This is in fact false, and I can explain why, so keep reading the story.

Hojo injecting Lucrecia's womb was a dangerous part of the project. Vincent, who wanted the best for Lucrecia opposed Hojo. They had a big arguement, and eventually Hojo shot Vincent. However, to keep Vincent alive (well barely alive) he injected Vincent with cells. The game never told us whether it was Jenova cells or not; nor does it matter, but I'll assume it is Jenova cells since they keep you alive. Anyways, he then put him to sleep in the Neibelheim underground coffin. It was another of Hojo's crazy experiments... an experiment with the undead perhaps.

Anyways Lucrecia is believed to have died giving birth to Sephiroth, even though we know she actually was alive since we see her in the waterfall living alone. But she never saw her child Sephiroth, and he was raised by Hojo alone.

Sephiroth went through a lot in his life. He became a top SOLDIER, and was Shinra's greatest prize. He was even the war hero of the Wutai war. Now let's get to a different point about him: Though he was a human spawn, or child of Jenova, he was practically a baby to Jenova's standards. He couldn't use his true power yet, the power of Jenova. But he was much much stronger than any other human in existance. His magic however, was still limited to the materia he had equipped. He couldn't use Bizzaro Energy, or Pale Horseman.

Now meanwhile, a child named Cloud was born in Neibelheim. The game already confirmed that Cloud was in fact not created five years ago as a Sephiroth clone. He was born regularly, however he was experimented on so he could become a Sephiroth clone. But let's get back to his beginning. He was an antisocial child. He could never summon up the courage to talk to Tifa, a rather popular girl. But he did join SOLDIER so that he could impress her. As we find out in the Lifestream, he never actually made the cut for Soldier, and he had to be a pathetic Shinra Guard that wears a mask. It was Zack who went into Soldier. Let's continue.


Sephiroth was sent on a mission by the Shinra. This mission was merely a small one, but it became the conflict of the game. The mission was to get rid of some monsters harassing Neibelheim, which could be due to a malfunction in the Neibelheim Mako Reactor. Sephiroth was sent along with Zack, and two Shinra MPs. Now Cloud (one of the Shinra MPs) was ashamed to show his face to Tifa, seeing as how he didn't make it to SOLDIER, and therefore he kept his mask on for the duration of the mission.

Let's skip to the important part. Sephiroth found out that he was an incarnation of Jenova. However, he believed at the time that Jenova was a Cetra, and he didn't truly understand what he was. Therefore, his intention at the time was to get revenge for the Cetra, because of the ancient Human-Cetra conflict, and give the planet back to him and his mother "the cetra".

Sephiroth: You ignorant traitor. I'll tell you. This was a itinerant race. They
would migrate in, settle the Planet, then move on... At the end of their harsh,
hard journey, they would find the Promised Land and supreme happiness. But,
those who stopped their migrations built shelters and elected to lead an easier
life. They took that which the Cetra and the planet had made without giving back
one whit in return! Those are your ancestors.

Cloud: Sephiroth...

Sephiroth: Long ago, disaster struck this planet. Your ancestors escaped... They
survived because they hid. The Planet was saved by sacrificing the Cetra. After
that, your ancestors continued to increase. Now all that's left of the Cetra is
in these reports.

Cloud: What does that have to do with you?

Sephiroth: Don't you get it? An Ancient named Jenova was found in the geological
stratum of 2000 years ago. The Jenova Project. The Jenova Project wanted to
produce people with the powers of the Ancients...... no, the Cetra! ...I am the
one that was produced.


That's right, the Sephiroth that burned down Neibelheim (and looked so cool to you rabid Sephiroth fans) was just an ignorant Sephiroth who didn't know the truth yet. But then his life changed completely.
He went to see "Mother" after he burned Neibelheim. Tifa went to kill Sephiroth for killing her father, but she failed, and got slashed across the stomache by him. Zack ignored her and ran past to kill Sephiroth, but he also got slashed by Sephiroth. Finally Cloud came, took Tifa aside, and went to get Sephiroth. Sephiroth severed Jenova's head (that's right, he took her head off) and walked with it past Cloud, but Cloud ran after him. Sephiroth told him not to push his luck, but he did, and Sephiroth stabbed him in the stomache. Then Cloud, summoning up some strength, took the sword by the blade, and threw Sephiroth into the Mako Stream.


This changed Sephiroth completely. The Mako Stream was connected to the Planet's Spirit Energy. Sephiroth went through the stream of Spirit Energy, or Lifestream, and was taken to the one place on Earth where Lifestream gathers into the system of Spirit Energy so it can be reused as a new life. The Northern Crater. For five years Sephiroth has been tranced in the giant Mako Crystal, absorbing a GREAT amount of Spirit Energy. As he tells you, he has "gained the knowledge of the ancients". But he has gained much more than that. He has gained so much Spirit Energy, it might even be the equivalent of 1000 lives. He had so much power now. And with the knowledge of the Ancients, he learned the truth about Jenova (being an alien). He learned the truth about HIMSELF! He is a spawn of Jenova, who for thousands of years has been comatose. The Spirit Energy made him so powerful, and combined with the fact that he's a spawn of Jenova, he used his Jenova powers to gain control of Jenova's body. But as I stated earlier, Jenova is basically Squaresoft's symbolic antitheses of Spirit Energy. It is the dark element. And Sephiroth, who is both a spawn of Jenova, and now a powerful being with excess Planet Energy, he is no longer merely a spawn of Jenova; but in fact he is an EVOLUTION of Jenova! He has the combined power of Jenova and the Planet.
But he only gained a miniscule amount of Spirit Energy compared to the amount that exists in the entire planet. So that gave him an idea:

[Cytokinesis]

Continued


Sephiroth: Look well.

Cloud: At what!?

Sephiroth: At that which adds to the knowledge of... I am becoming one with the
Planet.

Sephiroth says something.

Sephiroth: Soon... we will become one.

Aerith: How do you intend to become one with the Planet?

Sephiroth: It's simple. Once the Planet is hurt, it gathers Spirit Energy to
heal the injury. The amount of energy gathered depends on the size of the
injury. ...What would happen if there was an injury that threatened the very
life of the Planet? Think how much energy would be gathered! Ha ha ha. And at
the center of that injury, will be me. All that boundless energy will be mine.
By merging with all the energy of the Planet, I will become a new life form, a
new existence. Melding with the Planet... I will cease to exist as I am now...
Only to be reborn as a 'God' to rule over every soul.

Aerith: An injury powerful enough to destroy the Planet? Injure... the Planet?

Sephiroth: Behold the mural. The Ultimate Destructive Magic... Meteor.


That above quote, said by Sephiroth in the Temple of Ancients, is KEY to his intentions. He now wants to summon meteor, creating an injury so great the Planet will gather all of it's Spirit Energy to heal. And he will be there absorbing the Spirit Energy.

Now Sephiroth was supposed to go by Jenova's intention, which was to lead the reunion and give her back all her cells making her whole. But Sephiroth didn't want that. He wanted to ecome one with the planet.

You see, absorbing all the Spirit Energy would make him BECOME the planet. Remember how I said that the planet is a God? Well Sephiroth wants to become that God. For all we know, he could have a holy and great purpose, to salvate the planet of anything evil like Shinra, and keep it pure. This is another brilliant way of how Jenova and Spirit Energy are the opposite and conflicting elements of the game: one intention is to create the Jenova reunion so that Jenova can destroy the planet. The other intention is to absorb all the Spirit Energy so that he can purify the planet.

Now Sephiroth is gonna use Cloud as a tool for his big plan. Because the Planet is a mental being, the excess of Spirit Energy gives you the ability to exist mentally. Sephiroth mentally embedded himself into Cloud's mind, making him go mad several times throughout the game, and battling Cloud's will.
Zack and Cloud were hitchhiking to Midgar. Cloud was quite mental and barely conscious because of the Jenova Cells' effect on him. Also the Mako Energy's effect on him, since they were injected with that too. Zack told Cloud much of his story, and Cloud, in a mental state of Jenova's madness mixed Zack's story with his own, which is why Cloud puts his place in Zack when he's telling his past. The Shinra Guards catch them, kill Zack, and assume Cloud is done for anyways so they leave him. Cloud then takes Zack's personal weapon, the Buster Sword.

Let's move on to the game. Well, the first important part of the game.
What was the Sephiroth you were seeing throughout the game? I thought he was contained in the gaint crystal of energy in the North Crater. It wasn't an image projected by Sephiroth, because projected images can't physically kill, and we saw Sephiroth physically kill President Shinra, and Aeris (along with a bunch of unimportant Shinra employees). So let's fastforward to the first, truly important event in FF7: In the Shinra Tower. This was Sephiroth's first strike ever since he absorbed the Spirit Energy and gained the knowledge of the Cetra.

Cloud and party saw something in the tower: Jenova's headless body (Sephiroth dismemebered the head, remember?) It was taken from the Neibelheim Reactor, and put into the Tower. Anyways, Cloud and party got locked up by Shinra. But then Cloud awoke and his cell door was open. Remember Sephiroth wanted to use Cloud as a puppet for his intention?

Well here's the amazing part now. Since Jenova is taken apart (especially the head) and is completely comatose, Sephiroth (being a spawn with the great power of Spirit Energy) is in complete control of Jenova's body. Not only that, he has the power of Jenova; the power of illusion. So he literally made Jenova's headless body escape the pod. And Jenova's headless body goes on a reign of killing throughout the game. And he uses the power of illusion to make it's appearance the appearance of Sephiroth, so that he can make people familiar with who's the brain here, and who's controlling this body.

So Jenova's headless body, as the illusive Sephiroth goes on a killing spree, and frees Cloud who will be used for Sephiroth's plan. Sephiroth says to Shinra "you cannot have the promised land" and kills him. Now he believes that the Promised Land is the planet itself, because his idea of the promised land is to absorb all of the Planet's Spirit Energy, thus becoming one with the planet, or the Planet himself.

The next time you see Sephiroth (or Jenova's headless body disguised as Sephiroth, but controlled by Sephiroth) is on the cruise on your way to Costa Del Sol. He speaks with you, flies out of the screen, and comes back in the screen as his true form. You then fight a battle against what it really looks like; Jenova's headless body, or "Jenova BIRTH." After the battle it gets away, and you go to Costa Del Sol.

The next two times you see Jenova's headless body is in the Neibelheim basement, and the Temple of the Ancients. In the Neibelheim basement, he tells you about the Jenova Reunion. In the Temple of the Ancients he tells you about his plan to become one with the planet.

Aeris (who is only half Cetra, the product of Proffessor Gast and Ilfana) goes to stop Sephiroth from summoning meteor, but gets killed. However she summons the ultamite summon of the planet, the opposite to Meteor, "Holy". But Holy is meant to rid the planet of everything evil, as Bugenhagen tells you.

Here's another moment in the game to prove that the Sephiroth you see is Jenova's headless body. You fight Jenova Birth, and she finishes the sentence for Sephiroth.

Sephiroth: Ha, ha, ha...... Stop acting as if you were sad. There's no need to
act as though you're angry either. Because, Cloud. You are...

Sephiroth disappears and left another Jenova for Cloud's group to fight. After
killing Jenova-LIFE...

Jenova: Because, you are...... a puppet.

Anyways, we are leading up to a key moment in the game itself. The moment you reach the Northern Crater for the first time, and fight Jenova DEATH. Read this quote because it's the final evidence of Jenova's headless body:

Sephiroth: This is the end... for all of you.

Sephiroth slashed away two black figures.

Cloud: Sephiroth!!

Cid: This is the end!

Sephiroth: You're right. This is the end of this body's usefulness.

Sephiroth disappeared.

Cloud: He disappeared!?

Tifa: He might still be nearby......

???: Our purpose is to deliver the Black Materia to our master.

Cloud: Our...?

Cid: Hey, hey! What's goin' on?

???: Those who carry Jenova's cells...

Cloud: Master...!?

???: Of course... Sephiroth. Heh, heh, heh...

Sephiroth left a Jenova for Cloud's group to fight. After Cloud's group defeats
Jenova-DEATH...

Cloud: Jenova's cells... ...hmm. So that's what this is all about. The Jenova
Reunion...

Tifa: Not Sephiroth!? You mean all this time it wasn't Sephiroth we've been
after?

Cloud: I'll explain later. Right now, the only thing I'm thinking about is
beating Sephiroth.

[Cytokinesis]

Finished (sorry I had some troubles with quotes, I edited everything in now.)

He says that the body is outlasting its usefulness, therefore he send Jenova's headless body against you for one last fight, and you defeat it.
You also see Sephiroth killing the black cloaked men that have Jenova Cells, and thus, preventing the reunion from happening.

Now that the Headless Jenova body is defeated (but not killed, it can't truly be killed since it has no Spirit Energy to return to the planet, it's just out of the way), the Sephiroth you see in the illusion of the Neibelheim fire is PURE illusion.

Finally, Cloud gives Sephiroth the Black Materia, and Sephiroth summons the Meteor to fulfill his plan.

Now let's go to the final battle, the last boss: Sephiroth. This is the most brilliant part of the game. This perfectly portrays the opposition of Jenova Cells, and Spirit Energy. Remember that Sephiroth had two opposite intentions? The intention to make the reunion follow through and revive Jenova, and the opposing intention to absorb all of the Planet's Spirit Energy and become one with the planet. These oppositions are portrayed perfectly by Sephiroth's two final forms: Bizzaro Sephiroth, and Safer Sephiroth.
Let's look at Bizzaro Sephiroth: The setting takes place in the underworld, underneath the planet, and it looks so much like hell. It is an evil setting, and Sephiroth is an evil black demon. Like a guardian of hell, almost even the devil himself. Now look at the next battle: Safer Sephiroth, or "Savior Sephiroth." He is an angel, using holy magic, and it takes place in the clouds in heaven. Remember Sephiroth's salvation for the planet? Make it as the Promised Land itself, without the evil of Shinra.
Anyways, Bizzaro Sephiroth is the Sephiroth formed from all the Jenova cells in him, portraying his evil and dark side. Safer Sephiroth is the Sephiroth formed from all the Spirit Energy he absorbed, portraying the holy salvational side of Sephiroth.

Anyways, lets go back to the power of Spirit Energy. It allowed Sephiroth to mentally exist in Cloud's mind manipulating him. Well his Spirit Energy power was SO strong, let's see how strong it was.
When you beat Safer Sephiroth, he didn't die like all the other bosses (turning red). He literally EVAPORATED before your eyes! And that tells you one thing. Sephiroth is physically defeated. You got rid of his physical body. However, he still mentally exists. Using the power of Spirit Energy, he embedded himself in Cloud's mind SO much, that he was literally alive, mentally. He was mentally alive in Cloud's head. And he used Cloud throughout the game to take over his body. Throughout the game Cloud had a weak mind and was easily manipulated by Sephiroth.
But then the final battle occured. Cloud physically remained in the same spot, but Sephiroth called him within his mind, for a battle of wills: Sephiroth vs Cloud. Now Cloud went through character developement throughout the game, and his will became so strong that he defeated Sephiroth in his mind. Then the lifestream came, and Sephiroth dissipated into it. This shows you that all the Spirit Energy that Sephiroth stole from the planet was returned to it, and Sephiroth was finally no more.
But what would have happened if Sephiroth WON that battle? Sephiroth would have become Cloud's body. Cloud's physical body would have opened his eyes before Tifa, BEING Sephiroth! Sephiroth would take over Cloud's body, and then continue with his plan to absorb all the Spirit Energy of the planet becoming God, or the Planet itself. But Cloud defeated Sephiroth, and got rid of the last trace of him.

Now to the final part. Sephiroth was holding Holy captive, but it was released now. But it was released too late, and it failed to stop Meteor. Lifestream stopped meteor, and as we saw, Lifestream was lead by Aeris (it showed her face gleaming in the lifestream after she commanded it to get rid of the meteor). But let's back up a bit.
First of all, Holy was supposed to rid the world of all the bad things. Now remember, when I said that the power of Cetra was to communicate with the planet? Well Aeris hadn't her salvation to go to the Promised Land yet. First, her soul of Spirit Energy communicated with the planet, and the planet allowed her one last task before she goes to the Promised Land. The task was to get rid of Meteor. So Holy, being a summon of the Planet itself already KNEW what Lifestream will do, therefore it did something else. Cloud said, "Holy is having the opposite effect." That means instead of stopping Meteor, it is helping Meteor destroy Midgar. That is because Midgar is bad for the planet. Midgar has reactors sucking the Spirit Energy of the Planet, and Holy destroyed it. Then Lifestream came, lead by Aeris, and she destroyed Meteor.

And the end, where Nanaki sees Midgar as a green land, and hears the laughter of children notify you of two things: Humans weren't bad for the planet, only the Shinra company. Therefore Holy allowed them to survive. Also, Holy got rid of all the Mako production in Midgar, making it a land of pure green.

That is the story of Final Fantasy VII. The most fascinating part in my opinion, is Sephiroth's connection to Jenova, and the Planet. The two opposites. And how he himself portrayed the opposition of the two. Thanks for reading up to here, and I hope that those of you who didn't understand the story of FF7 are completely enlightened now

[Final Ultima]

A very extensive breakdown. Fortunately (or at least, I think it's fortunate), Advent Children negates the idea that Sephiroth's ambitions are split between his desire to destroy the Planet using Jenova and to purify the Planet using the Lifestream. The two goals are seemingly one and the same...to both "purify" the Planet by eliminating all things without remnants of Jenova, and using the souls of those under Jenova's influence (as in, people that have Geostigma) to use the Planet as a vessel and travel the darkness of space in order to find a new, more thriving planet (obviously, Sephiroth's vision of The Promised Land).

I very much agree with the part about Holy having the opposite affect though. Shinra was as much of a threat to the Planet as Meteo was. However, I do believe it was stated by Nojima that the human race had been wiped out by the time of the epilogue. Mankind repeating their own foolish mistakes again? (Which in turn, would concide with that speech in Advent Children about the circle of life.)

[Cytokinesis]

A very extensive breakdown. Fortunately (or at least, I think it's fortunate), Advent Children negates the idea that Sephiroth's ambitions are split between his desire to destroy the Planet using Jenova and to purify the Planet using the Lifestream. The two goals are seemingly one and the same...to both "purify" the Planet by eliminating all things without remnants of Jenova, and using the souls of those under Jenova's influence (as in, people that have Geostigma) to use the Planet as a vessel and travel the darkness of space in order to find a new, more thriving planet (obviously, Sephiroth's vision of The Promised Land).

I very much agree with the part about Holy having the opposite affect though. Shinra was as much of a threat to the Planet as Meteo was. However, I do believe it was stated by Nojima that the human race had been wiped out by the time of the epilogue. Mankind repeating their own foolish mistakes again? (Which in turn, would concide with that speech in Advent Children about the circle of life.)

I believe that before in FF7 Sephiroth was unable to complete both of his goals in a way where he would still be in control. But in advent children he made a comprosie and all that would be left on the planet would be the Jenova celled people. While it wasn't a complete reunion it would have accomplished part of Jenova's goals, which was the killing of everyone on the planet.

[Final Ultima]

Aye, true. I suppose when you think about it, Geostigma was a stroke of luck for Sephiroth, a quick means to manipulate those with enough of Jenova's influence to contribute to his goals, but not enough influence (or mental instability, for that matter) for him to be able to just mindrape every last one of them.

[BattousaiMS]

A very extensive breakdown. Fortunately (or at least, I think it's fortunate), Advent Children negates the idea that Sephiroth's ambitions are split between his desire to destroy the Planet using Jenova and to purify the Planet using the Lifestream. The two goals are seemingly one and the same...to both "purify" the Planet by eliminating all things without remnants of Jenova, and using the souls of those under Jenova's influence (as in, people that have Geostigma) to use the Planet as a vessel and travel the darkness of space in order to find a new, more thriving planet (obviously, Sephiroth's vision of The Promised Land).

I very much agree with the part about Holy having the opposite affect though. Shinra was as much of a threat to the Planet as Meteo was. However, I do believe it was stated by Nojima that the human race had been wiped out by the time of the epilogue. Mankind repeating their own foolish mistakes again? (Which in turn, would concide with that speech in Advent Children about the circle of life.)


Acutally it was abit diffrent from that. If you understood that long explication, it meant that the Sephiroth we saw in Advent Children is Bizzaro Sephiroth (not transformed) as in the evil part. So it was Jenova who transformed into it's Sephiroth version. In the end we do see Safer Sephiroth which was the bizzare part but I think that was more to sign that the Sephiroth who had been hunting Cloud has finally put to sleep for good (Safer Sephiroth). So original Sephiroth wasn't there he died 2 years ago, this was Jenova transforming into it's greatest assest Sephiroth.

It makes sense if you think of it this way, Jenova couldn't be detroyed but it was split into pieces by both the original Sephiroth and Neo-Avalanche (the FF team), but within two years it tried to gather itself up once more, but this time instead of being clones it spread as a disease. The Sephiroth we see at the battle is actually Jenova who was trying to use the planet as a space ship for another travel, why? I am guessing because it will hit two bird with one stone. If she does complete it, then the planet will turn into another Meteor and will travel trough space, but doing that would also mean that no human life can survive on it, since at those velocitys oxygene wouldn't be able to stick around to save any life on the planet.

[Final Ultima]

I understood it, and I'm aware that it's not the original Sephiroth. However, due to Sephiroth and Jenova working together, along with Jenova retaining Sephiroth's memories and personality due to their symbiotism in the Lifestream, the Sephiroth in Advent Children can more or less be considered the same as the original. I just choose not to consider Bizarro Sephiroth and Safer Sephiroth to be two completely different versions of Sephiroth based on supposedly different power sources and ambitions. Sephiroth has one clear cut ambition in Advent Children, which encompasses both of his plans mentioned in that passage. Simple enough, right?

[Raineth]

Wow, I can't believe I read all that! Well, my knowledge of FFVII has swelled up in the last two months. A lot of the theories make a lot of sense.

I guess both Sephiroth's ambitions are really quite similar in a way I'll have trouble explaining at the moment. ^^;
But basically both ambitions meant no humans right?

[theoneandonly]

hmm... yeah somehow the theories are connected

[mediums]

Can someone please give me a link to where I can download The Square movie or any info on it cause I heard its pretty good also like FF7. thx :smile-big

[Raineth]

Try page one of this topic, or page one of the FFVII: Advent Children Fanclub topic.

Though, you need Bitorrent in order to view the movie. Or at least download it anyways.

[Xenophobia]

i wonder if Cloud and Tifa end up together or not...

[Raineth]

Not in the actual movie... Maybe one day. I don't know. Chances of them ever being together in the future are good. It's not like Cloud can be with Aerith anymore. =\

[EndlessRain]

id like to see when that day comes ahah.

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=58535
you dont need bt for this one since the dude uploaded for us but you do for the subs.

[Son_Pan]

the chances are very slim.

raineth, if you are going to debate with me in the love triangle thread, at least make an effort to look back to see if i replied.

[Kami-Sama]

Great post cytokinesis, here is the icycle inn films transcript that can help your argument:

THE ICICLE INNE FILMS

When you are in Icicle Lodge you can view three films that fill in some
background to the Ancients, Jenova, the weapons and Aeris's birth.

FILM 1: The Original Crisis

(The film is basically Prof Gast filming Ifalna and asking her questions)

Gast: "Camera's ready! Then, Ifalna, please tell us about the Cetra."

Ifalna: "2000 years ago, our ancestors, the Cetra, heard the cries of the
Planet. The first ones to discover the Planet's wound were the Cetra at
the Knowlespole."

Gast: "Tell us Ifalna... Where is the land called 'Knowlespole'?"

Ifalna: "Knowlespole refers to this area [The northern continent]. The Cetra
then began a Planet-reading."

Gast: "Ifalna, what exactly does Planet-reading entail?"

Ifalna: "...I can't explain it very well, but it's like having a conversation
with the Planet... It said something fell from the sky making a large wound.
Thousands of Cetra pulled together, trying to heal the Planet... But, due to
the severity of the wound, it was only able to heal itself, over many years."

Gast: "Do the Ancients, rather, the Cetra, have special powers to heal the
Planet?"

Ifalna: "No, it's not that kind of power. The life force of all living things
on this Planet becomes the energy. The Cetra tried desperately to cultivate
the land so as not to diminish the needed energy..."

Gast: "Hmm, even here so close to the North Cave, the snow never melts. Is
that because the planet's energy is gathered here to heal its injury?"

Ifalna: "Yes, the energy that was needed to heal the Planet withered away the
land... then the Planet... The Planet tried to persuade the Cetra to leave the
Knowlespole, but..."

Gast: "Ifalna... Let's take a break."

Ifalna: "I'm all right... When the Cetra... were preparing to part with the
land they loved... That's when it appeared! It looked like... our... our dead
mothers... and our dead brothers. Showing us spectres of their past."

Gast: "Who is the person that appeared at the North Cave? I haven't any idea."

Ifalna: "That's when the one who injured the Planet... or the 'crisis from the
sky', as we call him, came. He first approached as a friend, deceived them,
and finally...... gave them the virus. The Cetra were attacked by the virus
and went mad... transforming into monsters. Then, just as he had at the
Knowlespole. He approached other Cetra clans...... infecting them with... the
virus..."

Gast: "You don't look well... Let's call it a day."

(End of film)

FILM 2: What is Weapon?

Gast: "Ifalna, can you comment on the thing called 'Weapon'?"

Ifalna: "Yes, Professor. The one the Professor mistook for a Cetra... was
named Jenova. That is the 'crisis from the sky'. The Planet knew it had to
destroy the 'crisis from the sky'... You see, as long as Jenova exists, the
Planet will never be able to fully heal itself."

Gast: "Back then, Weapon was a weapon the Planet produced of its own will?"

Ifalna: "Yes, but... There is no record of Weapon ever being used. A small
number of the surviving Cetra defeated Jenova, and confined it. The Planet
produced Weapon... But it was no longer necessary to use it."

Gast: "So, Weapon no longer exists on the Planet?"

Ifalna: "Weapon cannot vanish. ...It remains asleep somewhere on the Planet.
Even though Jenova is confined, it could come back to life at some time... The
Planet has not fully healed itself yet. It is still watching Jenova."

Gast: "Where is Weapon?"

Ifalna: "I don't know...... I can't hear the voice of the Planet well...
Times... have changed. The Planet... is probably watching this situation
closely."

Gast: "...Thank you, Ifalna, that will be all for today."

FILM 3: Confidential

* Daughters Record 10 days after birth.

Ifalna: "What are you doing, Profes...... I mean, honey?"

Gast: "Oh, I'm thinking of taping it on video. But, the video's not working
right..."

Ifalna: "What are you going to tape? Is there still something I haven't
mentioned?"

Gast: "No, that's not it. I'm going to record my beautiful daughter. And when
she's sleeping, her face ...looks like an angel."

Ifalna: "First, we have to figure out her name. We can take the video later!"

Gast: "I've already decided! If it's a girl, then it'll be Aeris. That's that!"

Ifalna: "You are SO selfish! But Aeris is a good name! Hee hee... it's a good
name, considering it came out of that forgetful head of yours!"

Gast: "Right!? Oh, the video tape......"


* Daughters Record 20 days after birth.

Ifalna: "Video again? You just got through taping!"

Gast: ".........Please don't say it that way. It's our lovely daughter, both
yours... and mine! Don't you want to capture her childhood on videotape?"

Ifalna: "If you keep doting on her like that, she won't grow up to be
strong... Aeris is different from the other children. I wonder what dangers
await her...?"

Gast: "Never say that! I will protect you and Aeris no matter what!! You and
Aeris are my only treasures. I'll never let you go!!"

Ifalna: "I feel so much better now, darling. If I hadn't met you, I......"

(They embrace, and then there is a knock at the door)

Gast: "Who could that--! I was just about to..."

Ifalna: "Damn!! How dare they intrude on our 'private time' together!"

Gast: "I'll send them away."

Ifalna: "Yes, at once!! Who the devil? It, it's them!!"

(She opens the door, it Hojo and two Shinra Soldiers)

Hojo: "Heh, heh, heh...... I've been searching for you, Ifalna... or
should I say, Cetra! Long time no see, Professor Gast!"

Gast: "Hojo... How did you know?"

Hojo "Believe me, I had to turn over a stone or two to find you. Two years I
waited.... That's how much I wanted this new sample..... Ha, ha, ha."

Gast: "...New sample? You don't mean Aeris!?"

Hojo: "Hmm, Aeris? What a nice name...... Ha, ha, ha."

Gast: "That's it! I'm severing all ties with the Shinra. Hojo, please leave."

(Ifalna kneels on the floor before Hojo.)

Ifalna: "Please, Aeris has nothing to do with it! All you want is me, right?"

Gast: "Ifalna!"

Hojo: "I'll need all of you for my experiment. You understand, don't you,
Professor Gast? We can change the future of the Planet!"

Gast: "Don't worry, Ifalna. I'll take care of this!"

Hojo: "Please don't put up a fight. I don't want any harm to come to my
precious sample."

Hojo: (turns and face camera) "Mmm? What a funny looking camera. Guard!
Destroy it!"

(The guard nearest the camera shoots out the camera. The screen goes black, but
the sound keeps recording.)

Hojo: "Be careful with her!! Ha, ha, ha...... (sounds of a fight)

Ifalna: "Wh... what are you doing, Professor!?"

Gast: "Ifalna! Take Aeris and run!!"

(Gunshot.)

Gast: "Eyaaaaah... Darling......!!"

Hojo: "Oh, and uh... don't forget the child! Hmm, a video? The Ancients...
Weapon!? Heh, heh, heh... a mountain of treasure! Thank you, Professor...
Ha, ha, ha."

(Film Ends)

even thou i would like to argue some of your points:

- first i do not think that gast and ilfana were indeed married, i think that gast grew tired of shinra and escaped with ilfana to continue his investigation and eventually grew in love with each other, this can be proven reading their dialoge change with each film.

- also i do not believe that jenova was defeated in the northern crater, since it is explain in the transcript that jenova not only infected the cetra with a virus but also he/she went to the other clans to do so, another theory is that jenova was "defeated" and confined in niblehelm(sp) where he/she was found and researched there, theory from the one who supplied the transcrip.

- the northern crater is not the center of the lifestream to create new life, the lifestreams goes to the northern crater because the planet is still healing from the impact from jenova to earth, and like it was explained on the quotes , when the planet recieves damage the lifestreams gathers there to heal the wound, also explaining sephiroth use of meteor.

[trinty]

well how good is the movie, can someone send me some pictures, my e-mail is ladyarwen99004@yahoo.com. pleas try.

[Atreyu]

well watched it for second time and ...

i just cant get enough from the part were Kadaj evlotes into Sephiroth ...looks sooo cool ... :D

and the part were Cloud stabs his sword into the wall so he can stand on it ..then pulls one part out so he can Dual Wield with it VS the rocks and Sephi ...was just too awsome :D

[TheVileOne]

BTW guys...I'm hearing it won't be out in the US until...March :( .

Is this true?

[Raineth]

Holy shit, I hope not. Last time I heard, the date was January... It better not be March... I can't see what the hell is going on, pushing the date further. What good'll that do? Everyone will just end up downloading it anyways. =/

[schmidtjra]

Already downloaded, and burned to DVD. The subtitles work perfectly. And the picture is Awesome!

[spikesprigal]

Already downloaded and transferred as VCD. Awsome display of grapics and Pictures! Nice Subtitles although most are incorrect Translations. so for all of those who didn't catch the last download, Wanna get one? come email me.

[genjo sanzo]

again, i love this movie, can't get enough of the entire end fight, but its not really the amazing stuff, but the normal swordplay is great, like where cloud is blocking stuff and does a spinning one handed block, looks so sweet.

[Majikman]

I am so close to seeing this, Its sitting on my HD, and I've actually played the first five minutes without having to get up and do something else, I'll be back when I see it, (prolly a couple weeks, like my naruto subs, now up to 24)

[poeman]

saw the movie and i was left in awe at the animation and the story beautifully being done

clouds weapon is so GANGSTER

[Majikman]

Stop it your hurting my mind

[TheVileOne]

At least we got to watch it now though.

Having to wait so long for the DVD release is pure torture :( .

[tinlunlau]

i heard it is now confirmed to November 29th.
but it's going to be expensive. expect to pay around $29 US. but it will be a 2 disc set.

[trinty]

can some body send me some ff stuf. or tell me how good the movie is.

[TDM]

The movie is good, that's for sure.

[theoneandonly]

time i read the news it says that AC for the US release is in mid november this year..

[schmidtjra]

Even though I downloaded the Japanese version, I'll still buy the English version. My 7 yr old son thinks the movie is sooooo awesome, he just wishes he knew how to read, lol. So I end up ad libbing it to him. As far as all the delays, when has Square ever put something out on time. I think it's a conspiracy.

[chakra25]

That movie was so awesome... I was a little disppointed at the quality. I can notice the noice and pixelation during the fast frames (action sequence). I understand that it can't be helped because it was compressed.

Anyway, I can't wait to buy the US Version. The picture quality will be so much better, plus there's gonna be surround sound. :) I wonder what bonus feature will Square-Enix give to the US Fans...

Now I want to see the whole FF7 as a movie. I think it would be so awesome for Square-Enix to re-animate the whole story from the beginning. I miss Aeris in that movie... *sigh*

Question:

What happen to Cait Sith??? Where are his dolls? He seems like the most useless one during that fight. :sad

[Shariyakugan]

This is THE BEST movie I have ever seen.
It allmost is a must to have played FF7 to be able to love this movie to the fullest.
The story as in all FF games is great though the story of 7 was better.
Enough action of wich you could never get sick off.
i'm going to watch it again (3rd time allready)
tifa was hot, vincent was cool.
And that denzel boy made me think of yuna.

[theoneandonly]

hmm... bout the question..

it seems that reeve wanted to visit cloud, but ended up with red XIII and the gang whilst fighting Bahamut Sin

[Cytokinesis]

I feel saddened.

This movie had such awesome visuals I can't stand to watch anime or read manga now.... It seems like so much of a downgrade no matter how good the story.......

[Atreyu]

i didnt understand about that wolf ..that keeps coming and going away .....like that!

(white one not red cool one)

[Genis-Vell]

Best Animated version of FF period.

[Atreyu]

Best Animated version of FF period.

this isnt animated ;)

[Hagi]

this isnt animated ;)

cg animation anyone ;)

[Final Ultima]

i didnt understand about that wolf ..that keeps coming and going away .....like that!

(white one not red cool one)Symbolism of Cloud's guilt, people.

[TDM]

I don't remember a wolf...a white one anyway.

[Son_Pan]

^exactly what are you getting at?

of course, it was a grey wolf. not white. you're confusing me.

[somnus nemoris]

All my friends amped this movie up too much for me ... im going to get owned for saying i didint think it was that great. Im not a fan of CG though. I think the animation is always ...too un-natural ... if you get what i mean. I mean ..the movie was alright. But i wouldn't call it awsome or anything ... and im a fan of blood >_> i saw like no blood in the movie .. but i saw swords .. i love swords :D

[TDM]

There was blood when

Cloud gets like shot in the face by Yazoo and gets a scratch :tem

[Vile.47]

Um, does anyone knows how Cloud's new Buster Sword works? I know there is a main one, 2 saw shaped ones, ??? handle inbetween the sword type sword(HIS), ??? rotatable handle type swords(RH), but something just doesn't make sense, I took screen captures of the sword many times at different scenes, but the confusing thing is that the HIS sword seems to be only on one side and the other side doesn't seem to have it. So it makes the sword look different from both sides. And when he does the attack where he seperates his swords I can see 2 RH swords dropping down. In quite a few pics I see a missing sword, whenever he opens his bike I can see 6 swords. Can anyone explain this to me?

[krescentwolf]

Clouds new Buster sword is pretty much explained in the final sequence of the Sephy battle (where he uses his pimped out version of Omnislash^_^; ). It 'somehow' (Read:Magically) forms some sort of puzzle where each of the six different blades connects into the main buster sword. If you take notice to WHICH blade Cloud pops out e very so often you'll notice they all seem to slip into his sword with a click.

My personal favorite is the sword he uses while fighting Sephy amid the falling rubble of the old Shinra building ^_^;

[Ninpou]

This movie was gooood stuff. Hopefully they'll make a FF8 or FF10 next ! :laugh

[Jack Bauer]

Symbolism of Cloud's guilt, people.

I thought it symbolised Zack. How he was with Cloud all the time (sort of) and how he was Cloud's best friend.

Also where can I get the soundtrack?

[Final Ultima]

I'm pretty sure that guilt/doubt/burden was the stated reason in the interview with Nomura and Nojima, but I suppose one can always choose to interpret it at symbolising Zack. It is pretty logical, all things considered.

[TheVileOne]

I dunno, the wolf didn't seem to be such a depressing, guiltful presence. It seemed more like a strong, mysterious presence.

I thought the wolf = Fenrir.

What is Fenrir anyway?

[Raineth]

Fenrir was the name of Cloud's motorcycle. But if you're asking what is a Fenrir, I guess it's some sort of wolf or something.

[Final Ultima]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir

There you go.

[Jack Bauer]

Also when Cloud "died", who was the man speaking with Areis? Kadaj or Zack?

[Final Ultima]

Zack, without a doubt. His voice is totally different from Kadaj's.

[Jack Bauer]

Yea I rechecked it's definetely's Zack's :)

[Ssj3_Goku]

yea the action in the movie was great... the plot holes on the other hand.....

[Tsukiyomi]

Does anyone know how to get the subs to work on a mac? I've heard they don't work on the mac os (which considering its an .exe file it makes sense).

[Vile.47]

Clouds new Buster sword is pretty much explained in the final sequence of the Sephy battle (where he uses his pimped out version of Omnislash^_^; ). It 'somehow' (Read:Magically) forms some sort of puzzle where each of the six different blades connects into the main buster sword. If you take notice to WHICH blade Cloud pops out e very so often you'll notice they all seem to slip into his sword with a click.

My personal favorite is the sword he uses while fighting Sephy amid the falling rubble of the old Shinra building ^_^;
Does that he has 7 seven swords? Six different blades and a main sword? But from what I can see, when he 1st opens his Fenrir, there are six swords, and he has no other swords on his hands or on his back holster. So that's what makes me confused.

[krescentwolf]

Maybe Cloud keeps one sword inside the buster sword at all times.... Ok i realize im looking for excuses... ^_^;

Cloud has the special technique, Recall no jutsu. Through out the whole movie, he loses swords (and his bike) left and right, and yet they appear with him later...strange how that works. But then... the movie does jump around alot -_-

[Megaharrison]

I don't play Final Fantasy, so to me this movie seemed like it used amazing animation to cover up a bad plot.

I still liked the movie though...

[KinKaze]

Does that he has 7 seven swords? Six different blades and a main sword? But from what I can see, when he 1st opens his Fenrir, there are six swords, and he has no other swords on his hands or on his back holster. So that's what makes me confused.

He Has 6 Swords. 1 Main Sword and 5 other Different Swords, Which he can put in the Main Sword.

Wooh, Isn't that just SUGOIII!! (COOL :amuse)

http://www.final-fantasy.it/cloud_bike_1.jpg
6 Swords, 3 Left, 3 Right.
You are Right.So No need to be confused :amuse

[Wolfwood]

Here is a site which explains how Clouds new Sword works and how the different swords fit together (Scroll down for pictures):

http://www.geocities.jp/our_homepage_brotherhood/ac_commentary.html

[KinKaze]

Here is a site which explains how Clouds new Sword works and how the different swords fit together (Scroll down for pictures):

http://www.geocities.jp/our_homepage_brotherhood/ac_commentary.html

Wooh, Thanks Rock_Lee. But it's Japanese, So I can't read it :P
But anyway, there's still the pictures...although I expected "real" pictures :blink .
I think it's a pretty good explanation.
Although Sword #2 and #3 are not exactly the same I guess.
And also Sword #5 and #6 are not exactly the same. I think they slightly look a bit different. And I always thought that #2 and #3 are a bit longer.

Anyway thanks for the Link. This Sword Rocks :amuse

[Archssor]

I cant wait to see it...I just have to get it to work first. X_X

[Notaku]

Any one have lost of good quallty screens or no where i can find them

[theoneandonly]

hmm... just take a caption from the movie. it's good enough *points at avatar :D*

[TheVileOne]

The text just all came out like gibberish to me in that link.

Weird looking characters not even Japanese :confused: .

[Vile.47]

Oh.....now I'm ABIT more clear, from that link, there's one HIS sword, 2 Rh swords, 2 saw swords and 1 main one right? But wouldn't that make the sides unequal? One side has a HIS sword while the other doesn't so it doesn't really look that good. If he had 7 swords, it would be just as cool, with ff7 and 7 swords together. lol

[Shariyakugan]

A bad plot?
Only people who haven't played FF7 would find the reunion plot a bad story.
The movie was great.

[Powerman]

That site with the swords information was pretty interesting, but I don't think it's 100% acurate.

[theoneandonly]

as final ultima had posted earlier, the name of the sword is the First Sword, i think...

[Notaku]

A bad plot?
Only people who haven't played FF7 would find the reunion plot a bad story.
The movie was great.
i haven't played the game but i still like the plot:tem

[KinKaze]

hmm... just take a caption from the movie. it's good enough *points at avatar :D*

eh, A little offtopic, But which program you use to take the captions?
Because it doesn't work for me, with the program I'm using.:blink
And I do wanna take some screenshots, because the CG animation looks really Good:amuse

[Saskue_Naruto]

i have an OT question too :laugh uh do any of you guys know the actors/actresses that did everyone's voice?

[Kagalli]

i have an OT question too :laugh uh do any of you guys know the actors/actresses that did everyone's voice?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385700/
it should have all the voice actors listed there. :amuse

[Alterdeus]

I finally got to watch this after 3 days of leaving Bittorrent on (every other thing I tried would say 200+ hours o_O )
And I must say, even though I never got past the desert part on FF:VII I really liked this movie, I got most of it but some things confused me here and there.
I didn't know ol Sephy was gonna be in it though, I only saw one trailer and I remember them saying something about makeing a new Sephoroth(sp?) but I didn't know that he was really gonna be in it, so that caught me off guard and I was surprized to say the least.

[dspr8_rugged]

I gave my review somewhere but to make it short, the movie was great. For someone like me who liked the game, the movie didn't disappoint me. It has topnotch graphics, kick-ass action sequences/fight scenes, despite a light and straight-forward story. Makes me want to see this more than once. Or actually I already did.

Anyway, there are some things that have been bugging me after seeing the movie twice. Care to clarify, anyone?

1. What's with the wolf that appears in the movie? Symbolism of some sort?
2. If I remember my FFVII right, the Forgotten City is located in the Northern Continent, actually, at the foot of the Northern Crater. I'm pretty positive that it was the place where Aerith died - the scene with Cloud's phone sinking in the water. At the end of that scene, there are some things that look like bones, or actually, those are bones. Aerith's perhaps? How come Cloud was able to get there by motorcycle?
3. Also, Cloud is a Sephiroth-clone, right? How come, unlike Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo, he doesn't even resemble Sephiroth? :D

[Final Ultima]

Anyway, there are some things that have been bugging me after seeing the movie twice. Care to clarify, anyone?

1. What's with the wolf that appears in the movie? Symbolism of some sort?
2. If I remember my FFVII right, the Forgotten City is located in the Northern Continent, actually, at the foot of the Northern Crater. I'm pretty positive that it was the place where Aerith died - the scene with Cloud's phone sinking in the water. At the end of that scene, there are some things that look like bones, or actually, those are bones. Aerith's perhaps? How come Cloud was able to get there by motorcycle?
3. Also, Cloud is a Sephiroth-clone, right? How come, unlike Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo, he doesn't even resemble Sephiroth? :D
1. Correct. It's symbolic of Cloud's guilt and regret.
2. Didn't notice the bones before...it's possible, but I doubt it. Aerith sank a lot further down than the phone did, methinks.
3. Cloud isn't a clone in the sense that we perceive it, he was just injected with Mako energy and Jenova cells. He essentially just went through a watered down version of the first successful result of the Jenova Project, which produced Sephiroth. Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz are probably clones in a more conventional sense.

[Saskue_Naruto]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385700/
it should have all the voice actors listed there. :amuse
Thanks for the help!

[krzyvietboi2k5]

Can anybody help me, i was wondering what materia kadaj was using becuase it only looks like he was using one but he shot like a likghting spell from it and also summon bahamut. I mean red materia summons right, but he was using i think was a green one.

[Son_Pan]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385700/
it should have all the voice actors listed there.:amuse
Thanks for the help!

IMBD is a horrible resource. they had the rapper Eminem as Mr. Coates. and Mr. Coates isnt even in the movie. talk about bad humor.

[theoneandonly]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=3344

most of them are from the .hack series. fullmetal alchemist series and some from naruto and bleach (check out who is the voice for sephiroth and you'll laugh to death :P oh yeah and kadaj too)

[Wolfwood]

here is a picture with a better explanation how Clouds sword works:

http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/920/11277287161515jz.jpg

[KinKaze]

here is a picture with a better explanation how Clouds sword works:

http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/920/11277287161515jz.jpg

Yeah, this one is better than the previous one you posted.
And also, there's better images :amuse

[Pickens]

Can anybody help me, i was wondering what materia kadaj was using becuase it only looks like he was using one but he shot like a likghting spell from it and also summon bahamut. I mean red materia summons right, but he was using i think was a green one.
.......THE HORNY MATERIA!


The Soundtrack came out today. I want to find a place to downloaded until I can buy a copy....

[Final Ultima]

.......THE HORNY MATERIA!


The Soundtrack came out today. I want to find a place to downloaded until I can buy a copy....There are a couple of torrents I stumbled into today, but one gives you an error and the other has no peers or seeds, so you'll have to be patient for a while.

Edit: Ooh, found one...

http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3389500

[theoneandonly]

yep the sountrack is released today.

[Final Ultima]

http://forums.adventchildren.net/showthread.php?t=49971

Tifa's Chapter from On the Way to a Smile, so essentially all of Episode 2.

Seems like Maiden of the Planet will be out soon as well.