[SPOILERS]Yami vs Yamichika

[Wrath]

So, who do you think would win between Yamichika, the beautiful 5th Seat of the 11th Division,whose rank is only because he doesn't want to be 4th Seat or to displace Ikakku, and who has a Soul Cutter with the power to steal the spirit power of someone else and use it to heal, which let him completely destroy Shuuhei, one of the strongest Vice-Captains. and Yami, the Hollow/Shinigami Hybrid with the Iron Skin that Chad broke his arm on, and the ability to use the Cero, but who was pwned by Ichigo and Yoruichi separately?

[Code]

Well since I doubt Yamichika is that far away from Captain-level. And well Yami was already getting destroyed by Bankai Ichigo, the only person he realy beat were Orihime and Chad. So I'd put him somewhere in between. It wouldn't make sense for a Arankal who seems much weaker than his partner to be Captain-level.

So I'd say Yamichika should be able to defeat him.

[wolfman_120]

Yamichika, in my opinion, would be able to beat Yami.

Maybe that's why they sent him to Earth with Ikkaku, Matsumoto, Hitsugaya, and Rukia

[uncle jafuncle]

As I said in another thread in the library: I think Beauty Man will be the one to kill Yami.

So yeah, Yumichika all the way.

[Bass]

Yumichika for the win. Yami would put up a good fight but Yumichika's shikai ability would take care of that. :amuse



Also, Yumichika is supposed to be 3rd Seat but since he thinks that the number 3 isn't as beautiful looking as the number 5, he stayed at 5th Seat.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

No, he's supposed to be 4th seat, but doesn't like the number 4. He likes 3 the best, but he can't be there because of Ikkaku.

Yumichika would beat Yami, for sure. He's definitely at least Vice Captain level.

[Bass]

No, he's supposed to be 4th seat, but doesn't like the number 4. He likes 3 the best, but he can't be there because of Ikkaku.



Yeah, you're right. I just read it again. :amuse
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4618/yumiproof4ua.png

[TEK]

Yeah, you're right. I just read it again. :amuse
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4618/yumiproof4ua.png
Um, after reading that, it just sounds like he doesn't want to take the spot away from Ikkaku. Kinda like Ikkaku claimed it before Yumichika climbed up the rankings that far. And once he was there, he could've taken it from Ikkaku, but since Ikkaku is his friend, he chose not to. That's the impression I got from it.

I think Yumichika would win.

[Code]

Um, after reading that, it just sounds like he doesn't want to take the spot away from Ikkaku. Kinda like Ikkaku claimed it before Yumichika climbed up the rankings that far. And once he was there, he could've taken it from Ikkaku, but since Ikkaku is his friend, he chose not to. That's the impression I got from it.

I think Yumichika would win.
Well he's not the 3rd seat because he doesn't want others to know about his "shikai"(if it is shikai...) ability. Ikkaku isn't weak either, as he gave Ichigo who right before beat Renji a bit of trouble. He also seemed to be even with Iba (Komamaru's Vice-Captain). So without wanting others knowing his demon-arts ability, he's 4th Seat in regards to the 11th Divison.

[Marsala]

Yami would win. Chad is about Vice Captain level (easily beating a 3rd seat and being easily beaten by a Captain = Vice Captain, more or less) and he was insignificant trash to Yami. Yamichika's secondary Shikai is his only hope, and that's not likely to work on a monster with spiritual pressure concentrated so intensely into his body that Yoruichi injures herself punching him.

[Bass]

spiritual pressure concentrated so intensely into his body that Yoruichi injures herself punching him.



It wasn't his spiritual pressure; Yami has iron/steel/really hard skin.

[Marsala]

It wasn't his spiritual pressure; Yami has iron/steel/really hard skin.
Yoruichi: "I had not expected that Arankaru to have nearly so hard a hide. The amount of reiatsu compacted into it must be incredible."

So it's concentrated spiritual pressure that gives Yami his hard skin.

[uncle jafuncle]

Yoruichi: "I had not expected that Arankaru to have nearly so hard a hide. The amount of reiatsu compacted into it must be incredible."

So it's concentrated spiritual pressure that gives Yami his hard skin.

Yeah, but does that even matter against a demon art shikai ability that supposedly absorbs reiatsu?

I don't think iron skin will help against an attack like that.

[Marsala]

Yeah, but does that even matter against a demon art shikai ability that supposedly absorbs reiatsu?

I don't think iron skin will help against an attack like that.
But there is probably an upper limit for the effectiveness of Yamichika's ability. I really doubt that it would work very well against, say, Kenpachi, and Yami likely has a comparable amount of reiatsu as him. Yami should have just too much reiatsu to effectively drain.

[garouga]

WTF, this is a massacre, not a match. I find it funny that some of you here actually think that Yumichika's going to put up a fight and even beat Yami. Yami has at his arsenal: his tough hide, his yet unreleased zanpakutou, and his hollow abilities (especially the Hollow Flash/Zero). All Yami has to do is to keep blasting zeros at Yumichika. Heck, he can just wait for Yumichika to come at him at close range and then grab and pound him to fine paste. Fujikujaku's normal shikai certainly wouldn't work against Yami's tough hide, and its special energy draining ability, which is really Yumichika's only option against Yami, wouldn't be very effective because, as stated by the poster above, Yami has just too much reiatsu. Besides, it's not like Yami's just going to stand there watching Yumichika leech reiatsu off of him. Also, I'm assuming that this energy draining ability requires Yumichika to be at close range with the enemy. At that range, like I stated above, Yami can either blast him with a zero or just punch and pound him to a flat pancake with relative ease.

[Code]

garouga. If Yami can do that. Then he'd be Captain level with ease. Yet Yoruichi without shunkou completely obliterated him and she even turned her back against him since he wasn't worth it. Same with Ichigo, till his hollow side started taking over. I think that's enough to at least put him at low-Captain level at best if not lower. And Yumichika is easily very high Vice-Captain to inbetween Vice-Captain and Captain level. On top of that, he has a Demon Arts-Class soul cutter, so he won't have to bother much about his steel skin.

[garouga]

What the heck is up with people comparing Ichigo and Yoruichi, both captain level opponents, with Yumichika, a lowly 5th seat who is at most vice captain level? That's them. Yumichika is Yumichika. He is not captain level. Where did you get that idea anyway? Since when has he showed signs of being captain level in the series up to this point, much less being between high vice captain and captain level? His soul slayer's draining ability only defeated Hisagi, who is not captain level. Ichigo and Yoruichi were beating Yami because they were stronger than him, not because Yami is necessarily weak. If it's Yumichika fighting him it'd be a different story. He'll get squished easily. Being captain level is almost a requirement (heck, forget almost; it SHOULD certainly be a requirement. If you're below captain level the best you can do is run away from them) in order to even fight toe to toe with mature Allankar. Yumichika is only vice captain level. He's only as strong as the three VCs that Ichigo beat in seconds without even using his zanpakutou. Yami is captain level (albeit a low level captain) because Ichigo was forced to immediately go bankai mode upon arriving at the fight scene. If none of this convinces you (not that I care to convince you; everyone has his/her own opinions) then remember that Yumichika got owned by simple fireworks:laugh

[Code]

... I said possibly inbetween Captain and Vice-Captain level. Definitely high Vice-Captain level to be able to come out unscratched against a Vice-Captain.

He's only as strong as the 3 VCs that Ichgio beat in seconds? ... I should really not bother even saying anymore....

[garouga]

And I said "much less being between high vice captain level and captain level", so what's your point? Definitely I should've just ommitted the "he's captain level" part, but it doesn't really change my argument.

Lol, so where is your proof that he's stronger than those 3 VCs?

[Code]

And I said "much less being between high vice captain level and captain level", so what's your point? Definitely I should've just ommitted the "he's captain level" part, but it doesn't really change my argument.

Lol, so where is your proof that he's stronger than those 3 VCs?
Where is your proof that he's on the same level as those 3 Vice Captains? Well first of all they were caught off gaurd anyways while they releasing thier Soul Cutters so we never saw them fight at all.

Wasn't there something about Hisagi being a promising Shinigami in a flashback? The whole Kira/Hinamori/Renji flashback incident?

So now Ichigo beat those Vice Captains.
Yumichika beat his Vice Captain, unscratched, energetic, and left Shuuhei in complete awe at his opponnent and unable to move at all.

You put him on the same level as those 3 who we never saw fight.

I don't get your logic.

[garouga]

I put him on the same level as the 3 because we all assume that Yumichika is VC level. And those 3 are VCs.

"You put him on the same level as those 3 who we never saw fight."
Which is exactly why we can't assume that Yumichika is stronger than them, because we don't know their abilities. The most we can assume is that he's on an equal level with them.

[Code]

I put him on the same level as the 3 because we all assume that Yumichika is VC level. And those 3 are VCs.

"You put him on the same level as those 3 who we never saw fight."
Which is exactly why we can't assume that Yumichika is stronger than them, because we don't know their abilities. The most we can assume is that he's on an equal level with them.
Yumichika vs. VC = Him easily beating VC.

You then put him on the same level as the weakest VCs we've seen, or rather, VCs we never saw fight. I'm sure they could've put up a better fight had story purposes allowed it to.

THe most we can assume he's on equal level of people that are the same rank as someone he easily beat?

[garouga]

Sorry I forgot to address the Hisagi thing. Hisagi was the one who was beating him easily. He emerged from the fight unscathed while Yumichika was all covered with bruises and panting for breath. His overconfidence by not finishing Yumichika off allowed the latter the opportunity to unleash his trump card. IMO, that's the reason why Hisagi lost, not because Yumichika is necessarily stronger than him.

[Code]

Sorry I forgot to address the Hisagi thing. Hisagi was the one who was beating him easily. He emerged from the fight unscathed while Yumichika was all covered with bruises and panting for breath. His overconfidence by not finishing Yumichika off allowed the latter the opportunity to unleash his trump card. IMO, that's the reason why Hisagi lost, not because Yumichika is necessarily stronger than him.
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Yumichika didn't show his true ability then. He was hiding it for the sake of people not looking down upon him.

Once he showed his more powerful ability (wheter it be Shikai or not), he destroyed Hisagi and walked off all giddy and happy with Hisagi in complete awe.

Now you're saying he's not stronger than him? .... ... HIsagi couldn't have stopped it had he tried. He also was shocked by that ability. So it's obvouisly quite powerful whatever it was.

[Wrath]

Shuuhei was suppposed to be the most promising student of the Shinigami Academy in a long time (potentially centuries). We know that Yamichika without using his true power is roughly Vice Captain level, since he should be the 3rd/4th seat of the strongest fighting division and was allowed to fight a Vice Captain without anyone saying that he was ridiculously outmatched. He may well be stronger than Ikkaku even without using his Demon Arts powers and simply not want to displace him because they're friends, and Ikkaku was fighting evenly with a Vice Captain.

And once Yamichika unleashes his Soul Cutter he completely destroys Shuuhei, who had been beating him senseless without taking so much as a scratch, steals his spirit power and uses it to heal himself. That puts him above VC level, definitely. There is absolutely no doubt about that.

The question is whether he's Captain level or not, and whether that second Soul Cutter was another Shikai or a Bankai (I'd say Shikai, but he also brought it out without calling its name, which can only be done if you have Bankai).

I wouldn't post serious fight that was a curbstomp in either direction, and this could really go either way. Yamichika's spirit absorbing power seems tailor made to beat a power-crazed Arankal.Yoruichi: "I had not expected that Arankaru to have nearly so hard a hide. The amount of reiatsu compacted into it must be incredible."

So it's concentrated spiritual pressure that gives Yami his hard skin.That's the way you're reading it, not the only interpretation.

Yami's Hollow power seems to be an "Iron Skin" made of highly dense spiritrons and not a conscious manipulation of power on his part, at least not entirely. While Bishi did think that Yami could have avoided/withstood Ichigo's attack by concentrating better, he was still very impressed by the fact that Ichigo could cut through the Iron Skin. That definitely points at it being a permanent form of armour protecting him.

[garouga]

And once Yamichika unleashes his Soul Cutter he completely destroys Shuuhei, who had been beating him senseless without taking so much as a scratch, steals his spirit power and uses it to heal himself. That puts him above VC level, definitely. There is absolutely no doubt about that.
Nope, that does not automatically make him beyond VC level. Shuuhei was taken by surprise if you look carefully at the panel. If he had time to react and relase his own soul slayer, things could've turned out differently. Heck, we don't even know Shuuhei's soul slayer abilities. Your logic makes as much sense as say, Ichigo getting almost killed by Yami just because he couldn't move, therefore Yami is stronger than Ichigo; even though we all know that's ridiculous.

[Baki]

The question is whether he's Captain level or not, and whether that second Soul Cutter was another Shikai or a Bankai (I'd say Shikai, but he also brought it out without calling its name, which can only be done if you have Bankai).


The best explanation to that is that it's his Shikai Ability.
Exactly like Ichigo's shikai. He had a different sword, but he didn't know how to use it properly.

[DrunkenYoshimaster]

personally I say chad could take Yumichuka, and he was completely obliterated by Yami. I dont think that makes Yami captain level, but there is a huge gap between captains and Vice captains. I could see Renji beating Yami , but he should practically be a captain now that he has a badass bankai, and withstood Kuchiki's bankai.

If someone disagrees about the gap between VCs and Captains being huge, do you all remember ch 152 when Ichigo took out 3 VCs with one hit each? including the VC of the first division who probably isnt among the weakest. if you ask me Yami is probably somewhere between their and Renji's level, while Yumichuka is probably on about the same level as them.