Episode 3 preview

[jmusilo]

Toonami's site has a new video clip up of episode 3 on their site, same place as preview for the first episode. It takes place in class during the kiss scene, which seems to have been cut out and replaced with a shot of sakura freaking out and loud kissing sound then returns to them after they pull away. You can hear a good deal of sakura's voice, which makes my ears bleed. Sasuke's voice can be heard briefly under the gagging noices at the end of the clip.

[RaZzy]

link? ....

edit: nvm .. saw it:

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/video/toonami/index.html?1

hmmf ... they won't even allow kissing??? What the hell is up with that??

[OtacontheOtaku]

Holy crap... I thought my vid was screwing up... if they cut out the actual kiss... that's something that will prompt me to vomit. I actually liked the first two eps, but if they cut out the scene that essentially created Sasuke and Naruto's rivalry, I don't think I'll be watching the dub that often any longer.

I just wouldn't understand it if they did, how many times did Bugs Bunny molest Elmer Fudd? I mean c'mon, this would just be getting to the point of me wanting to jam my fist down these right wing downright facist asshole groups who are on this war against homosexuality when they don't even understand their own religion.

[Crush!]

It's not like no one will know what happens. Sakura still clearly makes reference to it. All these stupid complaints need to stop.

[Kev]

Yeah I don't see why they took it out. They even made the SMOOCH sound which I don't think the original even had. People will still know what happens, but the mental image will be different.

[RadishMan]

I just wouldn't understand it if they did, how many times did Bugs Bunny molest Elmer Fudd?
Although I do not agree with the edit, I can see where they're coming from. I suppose two guys kissing is worse then a dude kissing an animal? :S

[Ostaff]

More than likely, the editor or some boss up the ladder was just a homophobic.

[Procyon]

It could be that it was against some sort of network rules. Just try to deal with it. :notrust

[Nihonjin]

They leave in Iruka's bleeding leg (with a Kunai stuck in it)
They leave in Naruto transforming in to a naked girl.
They leave in Naruto and Konohamaru looking at an adult magazine.
But they remove two boys accidently kissing...

Thats just stupid.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Its because of all the republicans, unfortunately. At least they still leave in the fact that they kissed, just with the actual kiss removed, which is better then trying to gloss over it entirely.

[kumagoro_usagi]

At least they made kissing noises. :amuse

[Psyconorikan]

Its because of all the republicans, unfortunately. At least they still leave in the fact that they kissed, just with the actual kiss removed, which is better then trying to gloss over it entirely.

Yes, let's all blame the republicans when tipper gore (a democrat) sought out most of these censorship regulations in the first place *rolls eyes*

Anyways, even though I do love the dub and I think they did a great job, I do admit it's kinda stupid that they took that part out. It was an accident they kissed after all wasn't it?

[SSJLance]

Yeah seeing their reactions on their faces was priceless, it were these things that made me love Naruto so much because it was so funny, taking out that scene kind of killed it, well in my opinion anyway.

[Naruto-USA]

Thank god for uncut DVDs for us to sink our teeth into.

[Woozie]

Well they did it pretty well considering if they are not allowed to show it.

[DarkWarrior]

Isn't it possible they didn't show that part to make it more funny when the episode plays?

[Prodigy-child]

-Sigh- At least they emphasized that there was a kiss.

[kakoishii]

yes, although most of us (me included) do not agree that they should have removed the sasuknaru accidental kiss we should all be thankful that they at least refrence that there was a kiss at all. They could have gone overboard and tried to make it as if it'd never happened.

[Jiraiya Sennin]

Way to go... edit out a normal kiss...-_- oh wait is it because its two guys ? I bet so...hmmm and more monotone voice acting... wonder why edit out stuff that was the "meat" of the eps. *shakes head*

Edit: even though they gave signs that there was a kiss is to me worse ....and half assed....

[Shounen Bat]

heh, i'm trying to keep from complaining about stuff like this, since i think the dub on the whole is trying its best. however, removing this part of the scene kinda destroys the entire purpose. if you're gonna show people (sakura, etc...) reacting that way to naruto and sasuke's accidental kiss, do you leave the actual action to the viewer's imagination? no! you show it, cause that's the whole point of everything leading up to it and following it. it's like watching a battle and then skipping to the enemy on the ground defeated. it doesn't flow well.

now, i'm sure there were most likely tons of restrictions for this sort of thing being shown on tv. i personally don't see the big deal, but that's the way society is these days. given this, i'm glad to see they kept it in partially. it just loses some of it's impact, though.

[Jiraiya Sennin]

Eh..Im pretty sure they could have gotten around this.. i mean far worse happens in Naruto then this ...so expect alot of Scene skipping then..

[djluminus]

I too would be up in arms about the whole editing the kiss thing (and I am sorta angry at the ditsy and stupidness of Sakura's voice, who is supposed to be a much deeper character) but then again I don't think I've ever seen two males or two females or any same sex whatevers kissing in a cartoon show in America. Maybe if it was Adult Swim, yes, but it is still children's programming.

It's not too big of a deal. The action is what makes Naruto great anyway, not the kiss between him and Sasuke.

[Jiraiya Sennin]

True as this may be its still part of the ep..and seems like they left you hanging when it was blacked out...as said before, it takes out the hype of the eps when they start to cut stuff out..

[VietLe]

it was good considering they added the scene of naruto and sasuke spiting disgust to the kiss. Stop complaining they cant show two boys kissing even if its a accident. I know it takes out whats important but it shows that the kiss did happen. Just be glad they didnt edit everything.

[Sakura & Sasuke forever]

You gotta be kidding me!!!!!Are they insane?!!They cant just go around screwing up good scenes!!!!!Grrrr!
Uh......sorry about that!

[trooper11]

well i think that was a pretty funny scene. its too bad they cut it out if that turns out to be the case.

having the sound affects doesnt really do it justice though lol.

[Sakura & Sasuke forever]

well i think that was a pretty funny scene. its too bad they cut it out if that turns out to be the case.

having the sound affects doesnt really do it justice though lol.I SHOULD CRUSH THEM FOR THAT!!!!!!!GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!! !
:mad

[Cronic Nytemare]

TV-PG
HAHAHAHA that is such a lie with all the blood removal, word censoring with the word demon,kill, bastard, damn, etc. and blatent editing like this that rating is so wrong more like drop the P in it. Please in other shows with that rating i have seen the crap they get away with. If im not mistaken even inuyasha gets away with some blood and swearing. GOD

[helldragon]

They're editing to a light PG. It's a little bit above TVY7. Just like with Zatch Bell, I'm sure the edits will loosen as the series goes on. In episode 2 of Zatch Bell, they did a very stupid gun edit. But they didn't edit out the guns in the most recent episode and even showed a guy point a gun in another guy's head.

Edit: CN is airing the DBZ: Saiyan Saga episodes uncut. That and Inuyasha are both edited to a heavy PG.

[trooper11]

i guess it depends on what kind of censoring mood they are in at the time lol

[Splyte]

agh i cant get the video to work, i still plays the first iruka,mizuki, and naruto vid

[Oskar von Reuental]

They're afraid of potential yaoi converts :tem

[Jiyaido]

They just don't want the audience to see it ahead of time IMO, and probably saved it for air time. Why put out such a juicy scene on the internet before it airs? If it was an actual cut (which we won't know until saturday), then it was poorly done, and it would ruin the rivalry moment.

[Sakura & Sasuke forever]

They just don't want the audience to see it ahead of time IMO, and probably saved it for air time. Why put out such a juicy scene on the internet before it airs? If it was an actual cut (which we won't know until saturday), then it was poorly done, and it would ruin the rivalry moment.Good thinking!!!:)

[Kylene]

Come on guys, sure it's kinda lame that it was cut but you have to understand their hands are kinda tied if they want to stay TV-PG, it's not like they're just cutting stuff for fun.

[Blaze of Glory]

Still those bastards should of have left that in I mean that was essential to the plot, how can they think of taking that out!?!?!? :sad I mean just saying that they kissed is retarded. That's like saying that they shouldn't allow kissing in Kids next door(Stupid cartooon:mad )

[Iruka-Senpai]

I hope they don't cut it out and saved it for when it airs. This is the reason why I'm a little frightened of dubs on T.V. in this country. It's not because of VO's but of edits.Whatever happens in the next episodes, thank the lord for uncut DVD's!!:smile-big :)

Don't worry people, if this does get cut, we under-ground fans are not alone. Many of the people who only read the English manga will be greatly disappointed too.:sad

[toddwick]

me kissing should be allowed on the air. There is nothing wrong with two boys who havent even hit puberty to accidently kiss each other. As a matter of fact, I know that if I was 10 years old and I watched that I would crap my pants from laughing so hard. Bad move on Viz's part.

[Marysmary]

Sakura's voice..If I had not watched the original, I would say it sort of fits her..However, having seen the original, I'm worried for the later episodes.

Sasuke's voice seems to be much better than Naruto's..(keyword: SEEMS, I haven't heard him say anything long..)

The editted kiss..Well, At least it was there. ^_^ You have to give them credit for that.

[Astranagun]

the people reading shonen jump would know what happens... so there really was no point in cutting out the kissing scene

[genesisofire]

They just don't want the audience to see it ahead of time IMO, and probably saved it for air time. Why put out such a juicy scene on the internet before it airs? If it was an actual cut (which we won't know until saturday), then it was poorly done, and it would ruin the rivalry moment.



I really hope you're right. Unfortunately, I seriously doubt it. I don't think CN is going to cut a few frames just to save it for TV. When they do save things for air time, it's almost always right before the scene happens and cuts off just as it's about to happen.

[StormRavn]

i enjoy the debut on cartoon network it brought a great show finaly however i totaly hate how much they shread and censor from the original version. in there hack and slash to protect the children from hearin or seeing taboo things ..


damm censorship

[Svenjamin]

its just a kiss... sure it doesn't help when they don't acknowledge 'taboo' things, but it's not going to ruin our Naruto experience, what else is there to cut out after this???

I think they will make Haku a boy.

Anyway, i'm more pissed about 'SASUKAY!", but I'll get used to it, i mean it IS English isn't it?

[toddwick]

Yeah, thats right, other than the 500,000 of us on the net, shonen jump is the fan base for the show, so they would know the truth. Wow I cant believe its been almost 3 years since I searched up naruto on the net after being enthralled by my first reading to soon discover the wonderful world of fansubs. I love anime. :D

[lidlesseye]

I suspected that Viz would cut it out. After all not even Will and Grace (which is on regular tv and on earlier than Naruto) can't show anything [and one of the title characters as well as an additional character are gay].

[kakoishii]

its just a kiss... sure it doesn't help when they don't acknowledge 'taboo' things, but it's not going to ruin our Naruto experience, what else is there to cut out after this???

I think they will make Haku a boy.

Anyway, i'm more pissed about 'SASUKAY!", but I'll get used to it, i mean it IS English isn't it?
how is saskue phonetically "sasuKAY" a wrong pronunication :S geese people are gonna drive me crazy with their elitist "I know all the correct pronunciations" attitudes it's getting to the point where I'm gonna demand that someone extract the supposedly wrongly pronunced voice clip of a chracter saying something from the dub then have that person record themselves suposedly saying it "right" so we can all critique how correct that person really is saying that word.
Anyway back to topic I also doubt that they just left out that scene for suspense it would be nice if it were true I trully don't believe that they are gonna show it. And to the guy who bashed KND I happen to like that show thank you very much :nono

[toddwick]

But wouldnt you'd think a cartoon would be treated differnt. These boys aren't gay, arent sexual, and didnt do it on purpose. Will Grace has real gay characters that are obviously sexual because they are adults and they also have homosexual relationships with other men. Thats different than a cartoon by far. The network cant get so nitpicky. Anyway I believe that if they can show an almost nude sex scene we can see two guys kissing on tv. But that rant is for another thread so I will settle with this.

[Hatake Kakashiold]

So Sasuke sounds ok eh? Thats good to know..NEXT STOP! Kakashi-sensei! which I havent heard!

[trooper11]

"geese people are gonna drive me crazy with their elitist "I know all the correct pronunciations" attitudes...."

thats pretty unfair. its not about what you yourself can pronounce it as, its what we have heard it pronounced as in the original. and in fact, i know of two japanese majors here in the US that pronounce them the same way while speaking english.

the point is that they could have been pronounced the same as the original if Viz really wanted to. Maybe they decided to not worry about anyhting in japanese pronunciation per se and instead to try and make the names more 'americanized'.

Personally, id rather here it as it was if possible, anything that can be kept unchanged would be best, but anyway, thats not what this thread is about, its just about the episode 3 editing lol.


the kiss may not be huge in the overall scheme of things, but it was a funny scene, its too bad its not in there if this holds true.

[Iruka-Senpai]

Though the scene may be cut out, the look on the girls' faces is still priceless.:P

[Zrco]

Of course they cant kiss in the English dub. The fat Nins scared of change told them that when boy nins kiss other boy nins they go to H.F.I.L when they die...

But for real, i feel for the poor SOB dub guys looking at it for the first time. They get to Ep 3 and see them kiss..."Holy crap what kinda of anime is this"...

Ahhh man i wanna see how 4kids would handle this.

"Ewww Nathans trying to get the sucker out of Steves mouth."

[Svenjamin]

but on words like sasuke and hokage, how hard can it be to say KE, and now KAY, it just soudns weird. I'm not bitching like other people, I'm just pointing out that it's the only thing that annoys me. I know I wil get used to it.

[Tayuya (the banned one)]

;_; what about the kancho???


Dub watchers will never understand the word Sasgay now!!!

[Blaze of Glory]

You never know maybe there was something wrong with the video and that they just wanted to surprise the fans. by saving that scene.:laugh I mean they do that for tons of previews..

[genesisofire]

HAHA Oh man, I just watched it for the second time and I kind of noticed they made it worse in a way. When I say "worse" I mean this redone scene makes it seem less of an accident and more homosexual. In the Japanese version, it looks rather clear that it was an accident. This version, you have to listen carefully to Shikamaru saying "Did I bump you?" If you didn't pay attention to that line then it can look completely wrong. I missed it lol. What really threw me off was once they show Sakura with the other girls in that look of shock, I heard that kissing noise for about 5 seconds (which btw that noise wouldn't happen if it were an accidental kiss.)

Overall, I don't mind the scene being cut out too much. It's the fight scene's and emotional scenes that got me into the anime, not Naruto and Sasuke's accidental kiss.




but on words like sasuke and hokage, how hard can it be to say KE, and now KAY, it just soudns weird. I'm not bitching like other people, I'm just pointing out that it's the only thing that annoys me. I know I wil get used to it.



It's kinda annoying, but not exactly aggravating. It's a weird fact that most people can't say "Keh" or "Eh", at least here in the US. They either say "AY" or "Eeeeee". For example, some people say Kuh-rah-teeee and some people say Kuh-rah-tay, both are wrong. Even in Spanish, a lot of people say "pwaydo" when trying to pronounce puedo. Then again, Hispanics and Asians seem to say it a little more easily since they're used to saying it while hearing/speaking their native non-english language I guess.

[Maleficent]

I really do hope that they are 'saving' the scene for when it actually airs...

But if they aren't, I am seriously going to go postal on Viz's ass. :mad

I mean... that scene is practically the heart and soul of Naruto! :P

[n8dogg]

Oh my goodness. I now realize that the whole meaning behind the entire Naruto series was a 15 second gag!

I mean, it makes perfect sense! Everything happens because of that kiss! The dub has ruined the entire show for us! Fuck all the idiots in the world who don't want to see two boys exchange saliva on public television, they're just homophobes! Everyone should be forced to watch men kiss because it's now socially acceptable!

If I'm ever President of the United States, I'll make a law that requires any person who thinks two boys kissing is gross to be executed on the spot. There should be no tolerance for opinions and the feelings of people who feel differently from us!

[Maleficent]

I'm upset about the editing... and it shows, unfortunately.

It just irks me a little, and I think all this whining and griping about cutting 'questionable' scenes is only adding to it.

[especially when it's a scene that I die laughing at every time]

Well... it'll probably be on the uncut DVD's anyway. :kukuku

[Jiyaido]

HAHA Oh man, I just watched it for the second time and I kind of noticed they made it worse in a way. When I say "worse" I mean this redone scene makes it seem less of an accident and more homosexual. In the Japanese version, it looks rather clear that it was an accident. This version, you have to listen carefully to Shikamaru saying "Did I bump you?" If you didn't pay attention to that line then it can look completely wrong. I missed it lol. What really threw me off was once they show Sakura with the other girls in that look of shock, I heard that kissing noise for about 5 seconds (which btw that noise wouldn't happen if it were an accidental kiss.)

Overall, I don't mind the scene being cut out too much. It's the fight scene's and emotional scenes that got me into the anime, not Naruto and Sasuke's accidental kiss.
First off, that wasn't Shikamaru, it was some random ninja. Second is we won't know for sure if it was a cut for the online promo until we see it saturday. Also, Sasuke's pronounciation sounds fine to me. If you haven't actually heard the name said and your making assumptions, listen to the subs.

[Tayuya (the banned one)]

lmao, there is not going to be any kiss on saturday. Stop getting your hopes up with false theories.

[Iruka-Senpai]

:crying When are the uncut DVD's coming out :crying


I just hope it's good enough to make newbies know what happened.

[blinkc123]

Wow they don't show them kissing. They edit out a lot of stuff. Well I guess that could be a good thing.

[izzy]

I haven't seen the show on CN yet. Did they change "damn" and "bastard", or even "hell"?

It would be nice to see an edited version on Toonami and then on AS play the uncut. I think Naruto could definetly warrant a more adult audience, especially in the later chapters.

[Kyuubi Naruto]

Yeah they changed the curse words. Damn :(

[TheVileOne]

Its because of all the republicans, unfortunately. At least they still leave in the fact that they kissed, just with the actual kiss removed, which is better then trying to gloss over it entirely.

Let me let you in on something Hinata's Fan. The only politicians I see on TV and the media whining about censorship and government regulations for this type of stuff are Democrats. Namely Hillary Clinton whining about GTA :P .

[Blaze of Glory]

Oh my goodness. I now realize that the whole meaning behind the entire Naruto series was a 15 second gag!

I mean, it makes perfect sense! Everything happens because of that kiss! The dub has ruined the entire show for us! Fuck all the idiots in the world who don't want to see two boys exchange saliva on public television, they're just homophobes! Everyone should be forced to watch men kiss because it's now socially acceptable!

If I'm ever President of the United States, I'll make a law that requires any person who thinks two boys kissing is gross to be executed on the spot. There should be no tolerance for opinions and the feelings of people who feel differently from us!


That was harsh! I agree all you guys are assholes for wanting to see dudes make out!F you guys really wanna see crap like that go to the nearest Porno video store and buy it! For godsake this show isn't just for teenagers it's for kids also !!:cool

[Trilaan]

Could be they just didn't want to put it into the preview on the website. Won't know for certain until we watch it. Besides, it's not really plot-integral. It was just funny. The whole episode establishes Naruto and Sasuke's rivalry.

[Shounen Bat]

i dont think that anyone's reason for keeping the scene in is because they want to see two 12 year old boys kiss. that entire scene suggests it anyways, as a joke, so i don't see why there should be any reason to edit it out. they have to add smoochy sounds to show that they're kissing... anyone able to get the joke is gonna know it's two guys kissing anyways. (besides, i dont think little kids are gonna try to gain some deeper meaning about relationships from this, they're just gonna laugh cause it's funny...)

the joke is presented better (and easier) if it's just shown. besides, as mentioned before... with kissing sounds like that, it sure doesn't seem accidental anymore.

[n8dogg]

I now also realize that the whole entity of Naruto is contained within the use of swear words! God forbid that they don't say "hell" once in a while!! We must take it upon ourselves to teach our children how to be rude and obnoxious to their parents!

Seriously though, the kissing scene would have grossed out some kids. There's a difference from seeing it, and knowing that it was implied.

Implied: Ha ha ha ha!

Seeing it: AUUGHH!!! DISGUSTING!!!!

[Rudox]

Damn, how stupid do they think American kids are? Watching two cartoon kids accidentaly kiss won't harm anyone. If stupid censors like this keep up it will drain the anime from a lot of cool/funny moments. Then again I guess it's in their best interest so people will have more reason to buy the overpriced DVDs. Hooray for fansubs!

[izzy]

Well it's sort of jumping the gun to say that they edited out the kiss.

Yes, they did it edit it out of that trailer, but isn't that the high point of the chapter? If they just showed that happen then it wouldn't be a tease (essentially what a trailer is) and you don't know who is kissing who.

There is a pretty good chance I am wrong, but I hope I'm right for the credibility of the US version.

[genesisofire]

First off, that wasn't Shikamaru, it was some random ninja. Second is we won't know for sure if it was a cut for the online promo until we see it saturday. Also, Sasuke's pronounciation sounds fine to me. If you haven't actually heard the name said and your making assumptions, listen to the subs.


First off, I actually heard the name and I'm not making assumptions, and I listened to the subs for a few years. If you hear closely to the name it's not sasukayyyyyyyyy and that it's Sasukeh (like get). It's relatively difficult to notice it, but it's there. Most Asian languages always say it like that when an "e" is hanging aroung, they always say "eh" and make fun of those "westerners" who say "ay." I know because I'm of Asian descent and I've been around different kinds of Asians a lot. I'm not trying to make that big of a deal about it since the dub said it close enough, and I'm really not too worried about the pronunciation part of the dub. I just wanted to get it straight to you that I was not "just making assumptions."

[Jiyaido]

^Good enough for me:). Anyhow I can't wait until this saturday to find out. Whether they do cut it or not is fine with me, it's just it seems really confusing to me to only hear them kissing. It would make more sense to just show it rather than freeze the frame and play the sound.

[Maleficent]

It just occurred to me that that kiss shows up dozens of times in the flashbacks... are they going to edit those out too? :blink

If so, then it seems like an awful lot of effort over such a small thing.

[shadowfoxyuri]

OMG shut up all! stop whining like little babies, and just wait 4 the uncut dvd's sheesh, u make such a big deal over the littlest thing ever

[trooper11]

geez, i cant believe how some peopel cant stand hearing bad things about the dubs.

if you think its so outrageous for anyone to question the wonderful dub, then just dont read this thread instead of contributing nothing to it.

just flaming is every bit as bad as those that just post things like 'the dub sucks' . think about your own maturity before trying to judge everyone elses.

[Peliqua]

Dont you guys think it's possible that they removed the kiss just for the preview, so as not to spoil it...?

I think whats MORE important is that Sasuke's voice sucks. If you listen carefully, you can hear him say "pleh,pleh... I'll get you, Naruto..."

He sounds like Gohan, but angsty. :/

[BluebrotherX7]

its possible, they don't want to ruin the surprise like they did with the first clip.

[ReikaiDemon]

lol, there's already a Naruto Uncensored site, besides, that kiss wasn't a big deal anyway, and it could be possible that it's a trailer only edit, other than that, just get the uncut dvds.

[izzy]

To the past three; Finally!

Someone who is on the same wavelength.

[green tea96]

if they cut out the kiss scene how are they gonna do the part when sasuke junps in front of haku's needles to save naruto?? there was a scene from the kiss in the flashback things

[ReikaiDemon]

Picky picky.... ShoPro can't please everyone at the same time, we should just stop whining about it until it actually airs, it wasn't even comfirmed if it was officially omitted, and are you really gonna miss that small of a scene?

[DeathIsComing]

that really sucks. i mean, that kissing scene is my all-time favorite. i cant believe they'd cut it out! and sakura's sound is...ugh. i kinda hear sasuke, and he sounds really old.

[ReikaiDemon]

Wow, I haven't seen Orioke No Jutsu Sasuke in a long time O.o;;;

[Iruka-Senpai]

Well, it's implied and at least they show part of it when they pull away from eachother so I guess I'm still a little happy. Besides, DVD's will be out soon.:oh

[Stevo-kun]

They cut out the kiss scene... that is just stupid, it was so funny and if they are going to cut out one little un-intentional kiss, it is just kind of stupid. Sakura's voice, is just rubbish, but I don't watch the dub being as it isn't possible, so all this really doesn't effect me :huh.. but they should have done better than this with the dub, but it isn't half bad overall, just I don't see no need to cut it out if they didn't cut out Sexy no Jutsu, then why the kiss?.. Probably because of all the young kids that watch it.

[n8dogg]

They didn't exactly cut it out. They just made it so that people with a low control of their gag reflex can watch the show in peace.

PS.

Is that scene so important anyway? I thought it was kinda stupid and disgusting. (OMGLOL wut a homophobe!!!11)

No, I won't miss seeing two guys suck face. I have absolutely nothing against homosexuals, but do your thing behind a door please!

[IveGotCandy]

AHAHAHAHA! That's funny! real smooth Viz! heh, I don't mind it though, is the world really that much of a horrible place without visually seeing a boy kiss another boy...I mean...really... I think that, since the dub is directed at (mostly but not limited to) younger boys between 6th grade and early highschool in age, and since this demographic, at least in the US, are (for the most part) extremely homophobic, they thought that the show's intgrity would have been lost with a majority of their target audience, being such an early episode.

[ShaolinMilk]

Some of you guys complain way too much! They obviously cut out the kiss scene for some kind of reason. The didn't just cut it out cause they wanted to...

[trooper11]

lol i dont think anyone esaid they just cut it becuase they were drunk one night and chose randomly lol.

they cut it for an obvious reas, just as n8dogg said, some people like himself wouldnt stand the sight of the accidental kiss, so it was decided to leave it out.

sure it wasnt esential to the core story, but it was funny , at least most people agree with me on that, and it added fuel to a quickly escalating rivalry between naruto and sasuke.

[ApplePies]

They did not kiss, but it loooked like they cut a little something out and they might have but they did not in the preview.

[ArioNeko]

BTW FYI dun put to much hope in em DVD releases 'cause Viz sucks at em. Only way you can get it uncut is if you buy the box sets and you can safely expect one 13 episode box to take like 10 months depending on popularity. So yea... Expect this series to take like 10 years to finish releasing.

I was really upset that Viz/ShoPro got it cause really as with the Dub as a fan you don't always have to be happy with what you get. Sure it could have been 4kids worse but frankly why be happy with Viz when you know Genion or ADV could have done so much better... And also sell the DVDs cheaper as well as more quickly...

[Iruka-Senpai]

I already knew that the uncut DVD's wouldn't be out until July 2006. That's why I'm frustrated.:xp

EDIT: It only seems like a long time because we are able to download the show. In Japan, I bet they have to wait just as long.

[Stevo-kun]

They didn't exactly cut it out. They just made it so that people with a low control of their gag reflex can watch the show in peace.

PS.

Is that scene so important anyway? I thought it was kinda stupid and disgusting. (OMGLOL wut a homophobe!!!11)

No, I won't miss seeing two guys suck face. I have absolutely nothing against homosexuals, but do your thing behind a door please! I may be wrong but are you saying I am a homophobe?.. Well anyways, I don't care if they cut it out really, you stilll heard the sound, but oh well, nothing can be done

AHAHAHAHA! That's funny! real smooth Viz! heh, I don't mind it though, is the world really that much of a horrible place without visually seeing a boy kiss another boy...I mean...really... I think they thought it might ruin the show's integrity at such an early episode, I do like Sasuke's voice though! You have a point of it maybe ruining the integrity of the show so early on, I just found it funny that is all, anyway, I am not bothered about that, I expected it to be butchered a little

[izzy]

You guys are really jumping the gun...Wait till the episode airs then complain.

And as far as the DVD goes, I am guessing we won't see an American dvd for another year at the least.

But thats okay, because Ive got the subs...like everyone else.

[hakke]

I was really upset that Viz/ShoPro got it cause really as with the Dub as a fan you don't always have to be happy with what you get. Sure it could have been 4kids worse but frankly why be happy with Viz when you know Genion or ADV could have done so much better... And also sell the DVDs cheaper as well as more quickly...

so far VizMedia looks commited to bring a quality product... 1st obviously, is that they won the bid for the rights, which is on the 100000+ per episode, meaning nobody else wanted to spend that much on "just another series"... and thats without the cast which many are known actors. They also announced the uncut DVD details before the show premiered. And judging by the recent long shounen anime dubs (yugioh,Onepiece), its incredible the show has retained its plot and musical score almost intact.

Maybe Geneon or ADV could`ve done a better job, but they didnt believe enough in the series to spend that much money upfront. All that AND 4kids didnt get it... and you still find a way NOT to be happy?... that`s something I dont get.

[trooper11]

what i dont get is why we are suppose to praise Viz and praise the result no matter what the reality is.

we can still respect thier work and at the same time, hope for improvments. how else is it suppose to get better? maybe its strange to want the best for an anime you enjoy so much.

i dont see how someoen can say this dub has been done as well as it could have been. and since it wasnt perfect, that means there is room for improvement. there is nothing wrong with wanting improvements. i dont think it was horrible, they did a decent job, but there are places they could fix to make it a great job.

"its incredible the show has retained its plot and musical score almost intact."

by musical score i assume you mean the background music, since both the opening and ending was removed and replaced with short attempts at fillers. i am not at all impressed with what they put in the place of the orginals and i can only hope they put them back in for the uncut dvd.

[Trunkz]

They leave in Naruto and Konohamaru looking at an adult magazine.
That wasnt an adult magazine o.O .. If you look, its basically women in like T-shirts and bikinis.. Not even softcore -__-"

[ReikaiDemon]

They only changed the opening and endings because they'd be paying huge royalties to Hound Dog and Asian Kung Fu Generation for playing their songs, seeing as they already payed $100,000.00 for the distribution rights for 52 episodes,which cost $5,200,000.00, hiring a cast of voice actors, getting advertisement rights, AND a timeslot for air time. I think they'd deserve more respect, the dub isn't that bad, it was good, not perfect, but they're trying hard to retain that quality in the show, and it hasn't even been decided that edit was official, now compare those itty bitty edits to the BGM, script, names, storyline and terms, all stuff like that, is retained, the nosebleeds are not what makes Naruto importaint, nor the blood, or the kiss scene, it's the characters, story, and action. 4Kids didn't get it because Studio Pierrot refused sale to 4Kids, and sold it to a more reputable company, like ShoPro, do you really want 4Kids get Naruto like they did to One Piece? No, nobody does.

[Cougar-kun]

I wish my computer would let me see it...:sad

[helldragon]

what i dont get is why we are suppose to praise Viz and praise the result no matter what the reality is.

we can still respect thier work and at the same time, hope for improvments. how else is it suppose to get better? maybe its strange to want the best for an anime you enjoy so much.

i dont see how someoen can say this dub has been done as well as it could have been. and since it wasnt perfect, that means there is room for improvement. there is nothing wrong with wanting improvements. i dont think it was horrible, they did a decent job, but there are places they could fix to make it a great job.

"its incredible the show has retained its plot and musical score almost intact."

by musical score i assume you mean the background music, since both the opening and ending was removed and replaced with short attempts at fillers. i am not at all impressed with what they put in the place of the orginals and i can only hope they put them back in for the uncut dvd.

It's only the first two episodes. The dub will improve as the series goes on. Compare the acting and editing of the 1st episodes of Zatch Bell to the most recent episodes. Also, DBZ's dub cast has improved a lot since Funi first got it from Saban. When they first started, the acting was horrible. I still don't like the dbz dub that much but the acting is better now.

Unless Viz couldn't get the japanese songs because they couldn't afford to license them, I'm pretty sure they will put them in the uncut dvds.

[Iruka-Senpai]

I think that the reason we feel disappointed in this edit,whether we liked that scene or not, is the fact that we are accustomed to seeing it there. Seeing it cut makes the show feel.. different.:huh

[~RAGING BONER~]

But they remove two boys accidently kissing...never in the history of maleness have to boys accidentally kissed...but this IS an anime and it WAS funny, so they should have left it in.

[Chintsuzai]

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!! How could they just cut out their kiss!!!!??? *falls* I now officially hate the people who dubed it. T_T And sakura's voice... *cringes* Sasuke sounds like an old man!!! *dies*

[helldragon]

The scene is still funny. They took out the kiss but they didn't hide the fact that they kissed. They added a little sound effect to make sure the viewers know they were kissing. Plus, look at how Sakura reacted.

[trooper11]

"It's only the first two episodes. The dub will improve as the series goes on."

well i sure hope so, but there have been many dubs that didnt improve after the series had progressed, Inuyasha is one such example.


"Unless Viz couldn't get the japanese songs because they couldn't afford to license them, I'm pretty sure they will put them in the uncut dvds."

thats what puzzles me, what is the point of leaving the original themes out if they already had the access to use them?

either Viz doesnt have them and therefor wont have them on the dvds, or they left them out of the broadcast on purpose just so a viewer would have to buy the dvds to hear them.

now there have been dubs in the past where the original themese were not on the first set of 'uncut' dvds, but instead it was part of another release, i just hope thats not the case

[helldragon]

well i sure hope so, but there have been many dubs that didnt improve after the series had progressed, Inuyasha is one such example

While I dislike DBZ's dub with exception of Sean Schmell as Goku, the acting in GT and in the redubs was much better than Season 3's dub which was terrible. Also, the acting and the editing in Zatch Bell has improved a lot since the first few episodes. In episode 2, they edited out a gun. In the recent episode, they not only showed guns, they showed a guy pointing a gun on another guy's head and a cigarette.

thats what puzzles me, what is the point of leaving the original themes out if they already had the access to use them?

either Viz doesnt have them and therefor wont have them on the dvds, or they left them out of the broadcast on purpose just so a viewer would have to buy the dvds to hear them.

Well, Viz must think that the Jpop songs will turn away a lot of viewers since they're not in English. It would have been better if they dubbed them in english.

I know that adult swim shows the japanese intros but the audience that watches the anime on AS is smaller than the audience than the audience that watches toonami and the other blocks. It's not really risky to show the Japanese songs on adult swim because of this.



now there have been dubs in the past where the original themese were not on the first set of 'uncut' dvds, but instead it was part of another release, i just hope thats not the case

The edited dvds will most likely have the dub intro, while the uncut dvds will have the original songs.

[And1balla2829]

CN doesnt support the "gay" and dont want kids to either probably :S I know for a fact they could keep it in... but for some reason I guess they didnt want too.

[Iruka-Senpai]

The guys at Viz didn't want to cut it out but they were just being cautious because modern day parents and network executives always throw a fit over such frivolous things and try to hide their kids too much. Example:Ren and Stimpy.

[Shadow Sasuke]

They didn't exactly cut it out. They just made it so that people with a low control of their gag reflex can watch the show in peace.

PS.

Is that scene so important anyway? I thought it was kinda stupid and disgusting. (OMGLOL wut a homophobe!!!11)

No, I won't miss seeing two guys suck face. I have absolutely nothing against homosexuals, but do your thing behind a door please!

Hey, don;t be soooo mean, he was just giving his though, SO DON'T GO CALLING HIM A HOMOPHOBE, K?!??! Shessh, :mad asshole..............

[Negative-Ion]

Im starting to beleive that CN has Naruto in the wrong timeslot. They need to have the show later on. There are things that have mature content in Naruto... things that no 10 year old can understand.

edit: i posted spoilers.

[Shadow Sasuke]

Well, IF your referring to me, i am 12, not 10, and i understand it all, so, i hope youe not referring to me..........

[ArioNeko]

Actually tis not the age in question but the maturity in question. As seen on this very board two people of the same age can act VERY diffrently. Again if parents think their child can not handle shows like Naruto do note it IS rated PG so parental guidance is suggested. If parents have a problem with the show as edited as it is then they should take more control in their childs TV watching habits and palce regulations on their TVs with the built in V-chip rating enforcements. Again I have seen worse mroe sexually explicit or violent things on other cable channels and on TV commercials... Heck if its the 'sweeps' (times when ratings and advertizing rates are adjusted) network TV can become 3x worse than cable TV...


As for the DVDs I had made my take on Viz's horrid box set releases and terrible trackrecord before so doubt I need tos tate myself again cause I already repeated myself on 5 diffrent threads 0.o;;

[n8dogg]

I may be wrong but are you saying I am a homophobe?.. Well anyways, I don't care if they cut it out really, you stilll heard the sound, but oh well, nothing can be done

Hey, don;t be soooo mean, he was just giving his though, SO DON'T GO CALLING HIM A HOMOPHOBE, K?!??! Shessh, :mad asshole..............

.............. :oh

If you guys would look at my original message, you would see that I really wasn't calling anyone a homophobe. I was making fun of the fact that some would see my disgust of the whole kissing scene as me being a homophobe.

Then I went on to say that although I have nothing against homosexuals, I don't want to see two guys making out, whether accidental or on purpose.

Some of you are really stupid, you know that?

...and I fail to see how calling anyone a homophobe is that bad of an insult to result in me getting a bad rep... which didn't go through anyway.

By the way? You don't have to replace one of the S's in asshole with a $. I'm a big boy, I can handle big boy cuss words.

[Kool ka lang]

Actually tis not the age in question but the maturity in question. As seen on this very board two people of the same age can act VERY diffrently.

Very true. Here's an example of two different 14 year olds. (im 14 btw)

1- OMG!!! tehy edited the kissing scene between Naruto and Sasuke!!!!! GOD IM So ANGRY at vIZ for editing this out!!! AAARRRGGHGHHGHGHGHGHGEGe.....
IF I was 4 years older I'd kill them.....

2- My younger bro and me have seen ALL the Manga and Anime (Yep, all 151 eps and 275 chapters....) And he understands everything about it. He's SEVEN YEARS OLD. Don't underestimate lil' kids.

In this example, if you don't know the person that well, the first 14 year old looks like a punk, showing no respect, and doesn't know how to use capitals correctly. The second one, however, is a little bit more mature, has respect even for his lil brother, and probably is a good debater.

Most of the people who watched Naruto are probably Shonen Jump readers(which someone said before,) and us. And I bet you by next year, half of the 7-10 years olds who've only seen the dub will read every single chapter, no matter how long it is, and they will find some way to watch Naruto fansubs.

[trooper11]

"Well, Viz must think that the Jpop songs will turn away a lot of viewers since they're not in English. It would have been better if they dubbed them in english. "

Im sure thats what they thought. im arguing that that isnt the case and having the original theme would not turn off viewers. look at how much anime has influenced all the programming on cartoon network, i dont think Viz realizes how much the viewers like the authentic anime and can handle a little japanese music.

[helldragon]

Well, Hi Hi Ami Puffy Yumi is popular. But their songs in the US are mostly in English. Foreign musicians have a better chance to succeed in the US if they made English songs. The only foreign language music I know that is successful in the US is opera and the people who listen to that are the artsy type. Most Americans don't want to listen to music they can't understand. Just because anime is popular in the US doesn't mean americans will want to listen to Japanese music since they won't understand it.

It would have been better if they just dubbed the intros instead of replacing them with a new song. Funimation is pretty good that.

[ReikaiDemon]

Yeah, I have yet to see subtitles applied in a serious way on anime imports, kids today need to read :notrust Half the people I know and go to school with can even read and pronounce invigoration correctly, and I'm a freshman. I was raised on subtitles since I was born, as my mother says <.<

[Saurus]

i think it may be politically incorrect

[Negative-Ion]

People the thing is not if a kid is mature enough to understand that 2 guys kissing is wrong or acceptable. Thats 1 of the scenes in Naruto, but there are many more. Im not talking only about action, violence and blood. Im talking about ideas, beliefs, attitude and way of thinking.

All that stuff are part of Naruto and what make the show. Now if they are going to edit a kissing scene, and leave dialogs between characters that suggest even more messed up attitudes then they will ruin the show. Im not gonna mention any names here, but we all know whats the deal between Sasuke and his real rival. How are they going to show his attitude and his way of thinking, how are thy going to show what he stands for.

So this is not about 2 or 10 kids that can understand what it means and are mature enough. This is about the people resonsible for airing Naruto. They dont want to be critiziced for showing things on tv that we all know are wrong.

[ReikaiDemon]

Wow, Chouji's voice is weird O.o