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LuciferSam
09-11-2005, 03:26 PM
I read at imdb.com that Tony Danza is voicing Orochimaru. Whats up with that? So far the voice acting isn't too bad for the american version of Naruto, I'm still holding out hope for later. Please don't screw up Orochimaru Danza, or I'll go all nine tails on you. Believe it.

JouJou
09-11-2005, 03:29 PM
I read at imdb.com Vin Diesel will play Link's horse in Twilight Princess. Whats up with that?

Seiryuu
09-11-2005, 03:29 PM
I'm sorry for my ignorance, but could you please tell me who the hell is Tony Danza? o.o

Procyon
09-11-2005, 03:33 PM
Yeah, it's true...(Listed here too. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=1825))
This is Tony Danza. (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001103/)

Should be uh...Interesting. XD

Darth Judicar
09-11-2005, 03:33 PM
Well, IMDB hasn't always been the most credible source for anything. Especially when it comes to this kind of stuff. I would just ignore it until we hear from Viz who gets to voice Orochimaru.

Fate115
09-11-2005, 03:34 PM
Tony Danza is the main character of that old show called "Who's The Boss"
Other than that to hear that "he" will play Orochimaru scares me a bit.

martryn
09-11-2005, 03:34 PM
Yeah, just like Matt Damon was playing Oro. You guys are stupid for believing that.

And Tony Danza was the guy on Who's the Boss.

Throes
09-11-2005, 03:35 PM
Uhh, I think that's fake, due to the fact that... Orochimaru doesn't have a heavy New Yorker accent. Besides, Viz hasn't officially released Orochimaru's dub name.

SeruraRenge
09-11-2005, 03:35 PM
I'm sorry for my ignorance, but could you please tell me who the hell is Tony Danza? o.o
Tony Danza (born April 21, 1951) is an American actor and former boxer.

Tony Danza was born Anthony Salvatore Iadanza in Brooklyn, New York, the elder of 2 sons. He lived with his family in Brooklyn until they moved to Malverne, NY, when he was a teenager. Sadly, both of his parents would die from cancer. He attended the University of Dubuque in Iowa on a wrestling scholarship (he majored in History). When he was 18, he got a tattoo on his upper right arm that was based on a design by the comic book artist Robert Crumb. The tattoo says "Keep on Truckin'." Danza was a boxer when he began his acting career on the TV sitcom Taxi (sitcom). He married his college sweetheart in 1970 and the couple had a son, Marc (born 1971), together. Danza and his first wife divorced a few years after Marc's birth, and Danza married Tracey Robinson in the late-1980s. He has 2 daughters from his second marriage.

Danza is probably best-known for his appearances in the TV sitcoms Taxi (1978-1983) and Who's the Boss? (1984-1992). He was nominated for an Emmy Award for a guest-starring role in the TV series The Practice.

His movie debut was in the comedy The Hollywood Knights (1980), which was followed by Going Ape! (1981).

He received critical acclaim for his performance in the 1999 Broadway revival of the Eugene O'Neill play The Iceman Cometh.

Danza now hosts his own TV talk show, The Tony Danza Show. On May 9, 2005, during a go-kart race with NASCAR star Rusty Wallace, who was a guest on the show, Danza's kart flipped after Wallace accidentally bumped him. Danza wasn't injured, which was miraculous, because neither Danza nor Wallace was wearing a helmet.

Ah, good ol' Wikipedia:smile-big .

Archssor
09-11-2005, 03:36 PM
I read at imdb.com that Tony Danza is voicing Orochimaru. Whats up with that? So far the voice acting isn't too bad for the american version of Naruto, I'm still holding out hope for later. Please don't screw up Orochimaru Danza, or I'll go all nine tails on you. Believe it.

Who is that? :blink

ninjo61
09-11-2005, 03:40 PM
I have to doubt the "Boss" will do a voiceover, I don't think he has ever done one. That better be bad info cause I can't imagine Tony doing a gruff voice with a snake accent.

Lord Yu
09-11-2005, 03:45 PM
LMFAO!!! This is the dumbest thing I ever heard! Well one of them.

Rudox
09-11-2005, 03:48 PM
Haha that would be just plain awesome. I would tune in to every ep Orochimaru makes an appearance just for Tony Danza.

Manetheren
09-11-2005, 04:06 PM
Lets see...

so far we have had:

Matt Damon as Orochimaru
Tony Danza as Orochimaru
Steve Blum as Sasuke (I dont know how they managed this when the correct VA for Sasuke was already listed.)

We just need to get Kevin Bacon as a voice listing on IMDB. That place is staffed by friggin morons.

Procyon
09-11-2005, 04:12 PM
Yeah, just like Matt Damon was playing Oro. You guys are stupid for believing that.

And Tony Danza was the guy on Who's the Boss.

Seemed to have missed the Matt Damon rumor, so excuse the stupidity. :sweatdrop I only seem to watch Who's the Boss when I'm nauseous. XD Or am I missing sarcasm on the Matt Damon thing? XD

LuciferSam
09-11-2005, 04:15 PM
I havetn't heard about Matt Damon as Orochimaru, maybe he was in talks as the VA, but now Tony Danza is in talks. Might not be official yet. And I thought everyone knew who Tony Danza is, like one of those guys who you don't have to know what they did, but you know you heard of them before. Whoops, my fault.

Dr. Obvious
09-11-2005, 04:21 PM
It'd be so funny if Michael Jackson voiced Orochi :D

KuwabaraTheMan
09-11-2005, 04:23 PM
This isn't true at all. Its idiots posting idiotic lies because they know other idiots will fall for them.

Trilaan
09-11-2005, 04:28 PM
Jackson as Orochimaru would add a new dimension of horror not seen since Dante visited the deepest circle of Hell. I would surely wet myself and cower in the closet.

n8dogg
09-11-2005, 04:42 PM
I don't know what's stranger... people believing that Tony Danza would be the voice of Orochimaru, or the fact that some people don't know who Tony Danza is.

You kids and your Sponge Bob.

Megaharrison
09-11-2005, 04:48 PM
Yes, it's a joke, people put crazy names for Orochimaru and the IMDB moderators don't know the difference.

onigiri-chan
09-11-2005, 04:51 PM
I cant believe some people are taking this as truth O_O
imdb takes fan submitted information they don't look over to check if its ttrue or not,
earlier some one one this form said they were the ones that submitted that orochimaru was played by matt damon as a joke and it actuly got on the site

so yea plus Tony danza isn't a voice actor, he's to busy with his afternoon talk show to voice act for oro..lol

And1balla2829
09-11-2005, 04:57 PM
I'm sorry for my ignorance, but could you please tell me who the hell is Tony Danza? o.o

Tony Danza is on the "Tony Danza Show" thats currently on TV (I think NBC... not sure) and he was also on the old TV series "Whos The Boss" which is on Nick at Nite... (btw the intro is so crappy to that show lol)
He's also in a bunch of other stuff but yeah... he's an actor...

I doubt he would do an anime... but you never know :P lol I would say IMDB is lying...

Dionysus
09-11-2005, 05:09 PM
That would be awesome.

"Who's the boss now, Sarutobi!? Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!"

Hell, Danza would be better as Gai, actually...

n8dogg
09-11-2005, 05:23 PM
Not as good as Mr. T as everyone.

Meijin
09-11-2005, 05:28 PM
I'm sorry for my ignorance, but could you please tell me who the hell is Tony Danza? o.o

Tony Danza is God.

n8dogg
09-11-2005, 05:32 PM
Tony Danza is God.

Word, my homies.

Dionysus
09-11-2005, 05:51 PM
Hm. Danza as Oro; the Fonz as Sarutobi. I hope they recast.

TheVileOne
09-11-2005, 05:54 PM
Its obviously bullshit.

Anyone that takes it seriously is a BAKA of the infinite degree.

Dr. Obvious
09-11-2005, 05:59 PM
Why do people post crap like that just to cause problems?

Wrathlegendz
09-11-2005, 06:12 PM
I'm sorry if you believe that tony is going to do that voice your a moron plain and simple :oh

KuwabaraTheMan
09-11-2005, 06:15 PM
I hear Brittney Spears is going to voice Tsunade. And Ashley Olsen will voice Shizune.

Hyuga 4 Eyes
09-11-2005, 07:06 PM
Guys dont forget, IMDB once listed "Mr. Bean" as the next "Voldemort".

Maleficent
09-11-2005, 07:11 PM
Good lord. Next thing you know, they'll have George Clooney for Jiraiya...

:eyeroll

Kucheeky Badkuya
09-11-2005, 07:41 PM
This isn't going to happen, the odds are against it.

TheVileOne
09-11-2005, 07:55 PM
There are no odds because it ain't happening.

Its not up to discussion or debate.

GTOnizukadude
09-11-2005, 09:20 PM
Sean Connery as Jiraiya!

Darth Judicar
09-11-2005, 09:30 PM
Least it wasn't Lance Bass for him...That's who voiced Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts. I wonder now if he's voicing him for Advent Children...

Sonic4390
09-11-2005, 09:51 PM
Lets see...

so far we have had:

Matt Damon as Orochimaru
Tony Danza as Orochimaru
Steve Blum as Sasuke (I dont know how they managed this when the correct VA for Sasuke was already listed.)

We just need to get Kevin Bacon as a voice listing on IMDB. That place is staffed by friggin morons.

i agree, btw, im new here, but ive liked naruto since it first aired in japan.

Drex
09-11-2005, 09:52 PM
Jackson as Oro would be so great.

Which famous Hollywood stars would be perfect as voiceovers? Mackauly Culkin (or whathever his name is) as a kid is kinda like Naruto.

Gejimayu
09-11-2005, 10:23 PM
Come to think of it, someone suggested Christopher Walken as Orochimaru, but for a few seconds during the dub there were a couple Iruka lines that sounded very, very cowbell.

"Why would you do that to the Hokage, Naruto?" and such. It made me think the next thing he was going to say was,

"The way your dad looked at it, this Leaf headband was your birthright. I hid this uncomfortable piece of metal up my ass for two years. And now, little man, I give this headband to you."

Near
09-11-2005, 10:27 PM
I read at imdb.com that Tony Danza is voicing Orochimaru. Whats up with that? So far the voice acting isn't too bad for the american version of Naruto, I'm still holding out hope for later. Please don't screw up Orochimaru Danza, or I'll go all nine tails on you. Believe it.


*GutZ Laughs insanely loud*

OMG if thats true Then I change my mind I will watch the dubbed version, that alone will make Naruto an instant hit.

Christopher walken would be cool, but I doubt he will do it.

and Mr.T lmao...

I pitty the foo no just u!
"Mr.T thats not the line!"

Naruto-USA
09-11-2005, 10:42 PM
*GutZ Laughs insanely loud*


and Mr.T lmao...

I pitty the foo no just u!
"Mr.T thats not the line!"
You win the internet.

KaM
09-12-2005, 12:33 AM
Tony Danza............rofl!

Jiyaido
09-12-2005, 12:38 AM
Come to think of it, someone suggested Christopher Walken as Orochimaru, but for a few seconds during the dub there were a couple Iruka lines that sounded very, very cowbell.

"Why would you do that to the Hokage, Naruto?" and such. It made me think the next thing he was going to say was,

"The way your dad looked at it, this Leaf headband was your birthright. I hid this uncomfortable piece of metal up my ass for two years. And now, little man, I give this headband to you."

Haha! I love the Pulp Fiction reference. That would crack me up everytime I watched the dub if Walken was Orochimaru. What I do find strange is the fact that not only is Tony Danza posted on IMDB.com, but also on ANN's Naruto Site (http://animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=1825), the most credible source out there. Where or from whom did they get this info from?

Chibi Chan
09-12-2005, 01:46 AM
ROFL.... that would be something, someone told me that Matt Damon would be doing Orochimaru's voice... o.O wth?

SASUNARU<3
09-12-2005, 02:08 AM
Wow someone is a fag for copying my idea. I put up Matt Damon as Oro a while ago and they made a deal about it on Anime News Network and now some bitch who probably though he'd make a big deal on ANN about it put up Tony Danza as Oro. Whoever posted that fails at life.

Capt. Rosuko
09-12-2005, 03:54 AM
Tony Danza.... tony danza.....


tony....


danza???


>_>;;;

Naluto
09-12-2005, 04:06 AM
:amazed We can only hope that such a great and talented actor such as Tony Danza would do the voice! But I guess it's just wishful thinking... :sad

Kamzy
09-12-2005, 04:38 AM
Matt demon as Orochimaru's voice

*thinks to the film Team america*

XD!!!!!!!!! zomg

Mister Bushido
09-12-2005, 10:09 AM
God, if Tony Danza did Oro's voice, I'd totally stop watching the japanese version and spend all my effort and time to watching the English dub. :smile-big

Even though it sure as hell isn't, I pray to the gods that it's true! XD

It would have been awesome if Christopher Walken was Sandaime.

"You know.... Naruto..." ^^

Svenjamin
09-12-2005, 10:22 AM
I read at imdb.com Vin Diesel will play Link's horse in Twilight Princess. Whats up with that?
interesting... that's one tanked up horse...

this is the first time i have seen Donkey Show post outside of the Bath House!!!

btw who is Tony Danza, I am having a mental blank, i can't think.
Is he a really creepy guy who sounds like he wants to molest Sasuke?

CrazyMoronX
09-12-2005, 10:48 AM
WTF? This has to be totally falsified....

Tony Danza as Oro... that would be hilarious. Almost as good as Gary Coleman for Jiraiya.

Itachi Pwnz All
09-12-2005, 12:34 PM
Tony Danza couldn't be Orochimaru because he has his own show...Btw I think it'd be insane if Tony Danza was Orochimaru..

It'd be like

Tsunade punches Orochimaru in the face with her full strength and he falls on the ground Tsunade looks at him and yells, "WHO'S THE BOSS NOW BITCH!?!?!"

God I'd kill to see that.

Itachi Pwnz All
09-12-2005, 02:28 PM
Yeah...Tony Danza is this one dude who was in Who's the Boss a T.V. show that had Alyssa Milano when she was young....

http://www.mugshots.com/IMAGES/Mugshot__Tony-Danza.jpg

Itachi Pwnz All
09-12-2005, 02:30 PM
There is Tony Danza for ya...Dressed up as Santa...And under arrest.

Trilaan
09-12-2005, 04:02 PM
Who would I love to hear as a voice in Naruto....hmmm......oh yeah, Mark Hamill. OrochiJOKERmaru.

"Well, if it isn't Naruto, the boy blunder!
AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!"

Jiraiya Sennin
09-12-2005, 08:42 PM
Eh...I doubt that this is true.. Oro's voice really doesnt really go with that... i say its a fake.

SASUNARU<3
09-13-2005, 02:09 AM
You guys do know that anyone can submit info to IMDB and it will be put up there. I have an idea, how bout you all submit fake cast lists to IMDB for fun.

Mister Bushido
09-13-2005, 05:49 AM
You guys do know that anyone can submit info to IMDB and it will be put up there. I have an idea, how bout you all submit fake cast lists to IMDB for fun.
If that's the case, Pamela Anderson should voice Tsunade and Jackie Chan should voice Gai. XD

And they should throw in Johnny Depp as Jiraiya. :love

n8dogg
09-13-2005, 08:52 AM
Eh...I doubt that this is true.. Oro's voice really doesnt really go with that... i say its a fake.

We've already established that this is bullshit. We're just having fun!

Oh man, Walken as the third Hokage would be AWESOME.

Iruka... let me- tell you a story. There was once- two mice who- FELL into a bucket- of cream...

Itachi Pwnz All
09-13-2005, 11:07 AM
HAHAHA! I still will go with Duffman as Jiraiya....

I am not ERO-SENNIN!!! OH YEAH! I am a great shinobi!!! OH YEAH!!!

Oh yeah! look at that girl!! -thrust- OOOH YEAH!

Jiraiya Sennin
09-13-2005, 01:06 PM
We've already established that this is bullshit. We're just having fun!

Oh man, Walken as the third Hokage would be AWESOME.

Iruka... let me- tell you a story. There was once- two mice who- FELL into a bucket- of cream...


Lol i know just getting my post in thats all. who would you think be best for Itachi?

Reznor
09-13-2005, 01:29 PM
This is awesome prank. XD

I died laughing at the IMDB entry.

But it says his Naruto role as Oro is 2002.

Itachi Pwnz All
09-13-2005, 01:33 PM
Charlie Murphy.....From Dave Chappelle Show...and The guy to play Kisame would be the Guy from Chappelle Show who plays Ashy Larry...

"Thank You bitches" - Player Haters Ball

Ghost-Faced-Killer
09-13-2005, 02:16 PM
Tony Danza... voiceover... I highly doubt that, but IF that were true I would never watch the english version again.

Hyuuga-YoungIsh
09-13-2005, 02:33 PM
It better not be his voice or i am fucking done LOL!!!!

Jiraiya Sennin
09-13-2005, 03:45 PM
Thankfully it isnt Ghost & Hyuuga. A character as important as Orochimaru should be taken seriously when it comes to VA.

Shinigami-Isshin
09-13-2005, 06:28 PM
man i guess you have to not be born in the 90s to know who tony danza is. pft, kids

this is impossible and im wondering why this thread continues. in the great words of the tony danza "Ah c'mon Angela"

and its ghostface killa. faced? theres no room for grammar in the Wu Tang, bitches

Near
09-13-2005, 06:30 PM
HAHAHA! I still will go with Duffman as Jiraiya....

I am not ERO-SENNIN!!! OH YEAH! I am a great shinobi!!! OH YEAH!!!

Oh yeah! look at that girl!! -thrust- OOOH YEAH!

JJIRAIYA THRUSTING IN THE WAY OF THE PROBLEM!!

Astranagun
09-13-2005, 06:36 PM
MJ as Oro would pwn

Creative Name
09-13-2005, 08:04 PM
If Tony Danza is the part, they'll hafta change the character's name to Tony. You ever notice how whatever role hes in, his name is Tony?

Itachi Pwnz All
09-13-2005, 09:37 PM
i could imagine him saying that to Naruto or Gamabunta!

DeathIsComing
09-13-2005, 10:40 PM
I don't know what's stranger... people believing that Tony Danza would be the voice of Orochimaru, or the fact that some people don't know who Tony Danza is.

You kids and your Sponge Bob.
the fact that i dont know who Danza is.

Ghost-Faced-Killer
09-14-2005, 09:48 PM
man i guess you have to not be born in the 90s to know who tony danza is. pft, kids

this is impossible and im wondering why this thread continues. in the great words of the tony danza "Ah c'mon Angela"

and its ghostface killa. faced? theres no room for grammar in the Wu Tang, bitches

Tony Danza is a raging homo and he doesnt deserve to have a career in show buisness.
Also I dont recall being apart of the Wu Tang, im certain I would have been aware of it.

NecroFox
09-14-2005, 10:29 PM
Tony Danza is a raging homo and he doesnt deserve to have a career in show buisness.
Also I dont recall being apart of the Wu Tang, im certain I would have been aware of it.


Wow Tony Danza is not that bad. I could name at least 5 people worse then him. Not many would be but at least 5.

Rainy Days
09-16-2005, 05:05 AM
Least it wasn't Lance Bass for him...That's who voiced Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts. I wonder now if he's voicing him for Advent Children...

I still have nightmares when I remember that :S

I think the guy who voiced Cobra Commander in the GI-Joe cartoons, would be the awesomest Orochi.

o0oEnderIlleso0o
09-16-2005, 05:46 AM
Tony Danza eh? That would be rad. As long as Pervert Hermit is played by Michael Jackson and Rock Lee is played by the governator. Genius!

Vicious ♥
09-16-2005, 06:15 AM
LMFAO thats fucking grose.. lmao that guys voice suxxz0rs

tmbg
09-16-2005, 09:54 AM
I read at imdb.com Vin Diesel will play Link's horse in Twilight Princess. Whats up with that?
they needed an actor for a fucking horse?

n8dogg
09-16-2005, 01:34 PM
I swear... some of you are the most gullible pieces of crap ever.

Don't trust anything on IMDB until the movie/game/show actually comes out!

And don't mention the Lance Bass/Sephiroth thing ever again. I thought he did an excellent job.

Asakura_Yoh
09-16-2005, 04:45 PM
I read on IMND That Hinata would eventually stop sucking at life...

god were they wrong.

Rainy Days
09-16-2005, 06:21 PM
And don't mention the Lance Bass/Sephiroth thing ever again. I thought he did an excellent job.
:blink Well that's your opinion. My opinion is that he sucked, and If I want to mention it again I will. That's the freedom of being on a forum :smile-big

Now back to topic. Yes your not a very smart person, if you think Tony Danza is going to do VA work on Naruto. Use some common sense people!

Uame Kishi
09-16-2005, 07:11 PM
If John Billingsley isn't a vo for a naruto character. Ms. Kishi will get very angry.
I picture him as either the voice for Jiraiya or Sarutobi Asuma. John has done the narrator voice for outlaw star and jet black of cowboy bebop and many others.

Personal Jesus
09-16-2005, 07:41 PM
TONY DANZA CUTS IN LIIINE!

...

Anyway, we'll see when the time comes, but uhh.. yah, IMDB is rather unreliable. They have Eminem listed as a character in Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, for Christ's sake.

newport
09-17-2005, 05:30 AM
they should have dikembe mutumbo of the houston rockets play orochi's voice,damn his voice is scary

Miss CCV
09-17-2005, 05:58 AM
LMAO! WTF?! The title of this thread cracked me up sooooo hard! :rofl

Imagine Tony Danza being the voice of a demented, homosexual snake pervert...

VanDamage
09-17-2005, 07:48 AM
Tony Danza as Orochimaru:
Scene - Orochimaru's Hideout

Orochimaru - Hey Yo Saskue Come ovah here
Saskue: *blink* *blink* what the hell?
Orochimaru: Yo, me and yous got some buisness see! I'm gonna use you as a container and it's an offer you can't refuse see!
Saskue: You sound like your from Chicago...
Orochimaru: What gave it away?!?!?

ph0921
09-17-2005, 09:32 AM
woah boxer does not fit orochimaru.. more like _____ actor... former criminal.

n8dogg
09-18-2005, 12:00 AM
:blink Well that's your opinion. My opinion is that he sucked, and If I want to mention it again I will. That's the freedom of being on a forum :smile-big

So where did you think he sucked? When he went, "RAAAGHH!!" or "AAUUGHH!!"??

Please let me know! I wish to know your opinion since it's able to pick apart a few highly distorted battle cries. It must be very precise!

AburameIzzo
09-18-2005, 12:11 AM
If Tony Danza voice-acted Orochimaru, I'd friggin Chidori myself in the face.

Uame Kishi
09-19-2005, 03:34 PM
Hey Patrick Stewart, Alfred Molina, and Anna Pacquin did well in Steamboy why can't Tony Danza vo? (just not as Orochimaru)

Asleep
09-19-2005, 09:13 PM
They should replace everyone with the cast of Fargo.

Chiru
09-19-2005, 09:18 PM
Tony Danza as Orochimaru:
Scene - Orochimaru's Hideout

Orochimaru - Hey Yo Saskue Come ovah here
Saskue: *blink* *blink* what the hell?
Orochimaru: Yo, me and yous got some buisness see! I'm gonna use you as a container and it's an offer you can't refuse see!
Saskue: You sound like your from Chicago...
Orochimaru: What gave it away?!?!?

We all know Konoha is the Chicago of the Naruto world. No... Wait. Its not. Nevermind.... :sad

Kousai
09-26-2005, 02:49 PM
Tony Danza being Orochimaru is so funny I think one of my lungs imploded. I can imaging it now.http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6828/kyuubi9yd.th.png (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kyuubi9yd.png)

-[INCOGNITO]-
09-27-2005, 04:47 PM
If Tony Danza does the VA they might as well get the guy that played Corky on Life Goes On to match how retarded a New York accent would sound

Panzer Kunst
09-27-2005, 04:49 PM
If Tony Danza voice-acted Orochimaru, I'd friggin Chidori myself in the face.

*laughs* I'm sorry, but the mental image there was too much.

Sake Hokage
09-29-2005, 09:25 AM
joke or not, Tony Danza should've retired after Taxi & Who's the Boss. His talkshow SuXXxx

ReikaiDemon
10-16-2005, 01:08 AM
This thread amuses me :laugh Anyaways, I don't like IMDB very much, they tend to be very unreliable. Though, if I were to choose, I would think the person who does Envy's voice in the Fullmetal Alchemist dub, it has about almost the same effect of Orochimaru's voice, and with a little tweaks, you can get the same effect.