Orochimaru vs. Voldemort [Archive]

Literally Exaggerated

05-11-2005, 08:40 PM

Orochimaru - incredibly brilliant student of the most powerful and knowledgeable Ninja in the village, Sarutobi. Popular, decorated, hero of his village. But far too ambitious, became obsessed with immortality, fled the village and resurfaced years later after lots of research into forbidden death techniques, leader of his own village, the Sound. Has black hair, pale skin, and a face and eyes that resemble those of a snake. Knows tons of jutsus related to snakes, as well as lots of immortality and death related jutsus.

Voldemort - incredibly brilliant student of the most powerful and knowledgeable Wizard in the world, Dumbledore. Popular, decorated, handsome, was named head boy and awarded medals for his bravery. But far too ambitious, became obsessed with immortality, disappeared and resurfaced years later after lots of research into forbidden dark magic, leader of his own group of followers, the Death Eaters. Formerly had black hair, has pale skin, and a face and eyes that resemble those of a snake. Knows tons of spells related to snakes, as well as lots of immortality and death related magic.

C'mon, with this many similarities, this fight was inevitable.

their powers:

Orochimaru - fast, powerful fighter, though not the best at hand to hand combat. Can resurrect people to fight for him, knows a ton of combative jutsus, many of which utilize snakes. Can summon the huge snake Manda, which is basicallly a completely fucking humungous talking snake. Brilliant, but often too arrogant.

Voldemort - doesn't know shit about hand to hand combat, actually has achieved an immortality of sorts which means he can't be killed by any known means. Knows a ton of combative magic, including Avada Kedavra, which killls anyone it hits instantly. Can control any snake merely by talking to it. Can control the Basilisk, a huge snake that is smaller and stupider than Manda, but instantly kills anything that looks into its eyes. Can apparate at will (i.e. he can teleport like Yondaime, only doesn't need any kunai) Brilliant, but often too arrogant.

Who would win in a fight?

And what about if they had their followers?

The Sound - a couple weak ass genins which use vibration, the sound 5 which have an assortment of odd, specific powers, plus Kabuto, the brilliant, jounin level medical nin.

The Death Eaters - Some dozen or so wizards, all of whom can teleport and use avada kedavra, the death spell. On the down side, they don't seem to know much about hand to hand combat and aren't that fast.

My take:

Voldemort completely owns Orochimaru. Not only can he instantly kill Orochimaru with one spell, and not only can he teleport, but he can also control any of those snakes Oro summons, just by talking to them.

the Death eaters lose to the Sound however. Though they can teleport and kill with one spell, they also don't seem to be good enough at aiming or anything to hit most of the soun.

Sephero

05-11-2005, 09:33 PM

Orochimaru will choke him with his tongue.

Kunoichi no Kiri

05-11-2005, 09:38 PM

Seriously, wizard powers rely on your opponent to be limited to human speed and strength. A normal human can dodge Avada Kedavra. Orochimaru wouldn't even have to think about it.

Orochimaru takes this with a kunai.

Although The Death Eaters vs. The Sound, "The Sound" meaning the sound 5 and Kabuto, might be about fair.

Well, not really. But The Death Eaters would get a couple.

Raspeh

05-11-2005, 10:23 PM

Gee, I wonder where you got this idea... lol..

Ninja Genius

05-12-2005, 03:28 PM

Hm, I'm starting to actually think now that Naruto was inspired somewhat by Harry Potter...

r_aussie

05-20-2005, 01:22 AM

Hm, I'm starting to actually think now that Naruto was inspired somewhat by Harry Potter...
so... maybe naruto is a half-blood or something like that?
or maybe harry potter has some legendary wizard living within him haha.
or dumbledore is a damn pervert >_<

The Wanderer

05-20-2005, 02:17 AM

Dumbledore a pervert ?? nahhh . . . he looks too . . .hmm . . . "goody-goody"

And Orochimaru would smoke Voldemort in a flash, since he could easily dodge Avada Kedavra (I think he would Kawarimi to safety) and before Voldemort recovers, *Slash* *Slash*, Voldemort would be decapitated in a flash. Orochiamru has not only his jutsu, but his fast and strong as well, while Voldemort is a complete loser in CQC . . .

I don't think Manda would listen to Voldemort, He would go "Are you talking to me !!?? Are you on crack !!?? You pesty snake wannabe !! Get lost loser !! Die !!" Or something like that . . .

Miderauchi no Hitokiri

06-23-2005, 11:29 PM

Code

06-24-2005, 12:11 AM

you know...I have wondered about this when I compared Voldemort to Orochimaru ever since I first got an understanding of the two. Think about it aveda kedavra needs willpower. All Orochimaru has to do to diminish his willpower is to show hm that creepy tongue. Also Orochimaru is a ninja for crying out loud. He moves pretty damn fast enough to dodge any other offensive spells. Also just destroy the wand and Voldemort is dead.

Note: Kishimoto would have released something called Magic Mushroom, but it would seem like he bited off of JK Rowling. I think Naruto was before Harry Potter, wasn't?
Harry Potter was before Naruto...

Orochimaru diminishes his willpower by showing him the tongue? Hmm... Voldemorts turns into giant snakes....

And about the person saying wizard powers require the person to be human speed. Well if you read the end of Book 5. Both Voldemort and Dumbledore were constnatly appearing and dissapearing the blink of an eye. Flying, doing fancy stuff. Torturing with a point. Making giants statues move alive in an instant...

Well personally I'd say Voldemort. The curses aren't slow to the point of having to defeat people that pop in and out places constantly. So no Orochimaru won't be so fast that he will dodge everything.

۩ReYmДN-dono۩

06-24-2005, 12:16 AM

oro eats volder end of story

Miderauchi no Hitokiri

06-24-2005, 12:37 AM

creepy thing is ...I can see that happening

Lord Yu

06-24-2005, 12:43 AM

I see oro "killing" voldemort with a kunai. or biting his neck off or something like that.

Code

06-24-2005, 12:47 AM

I see oro "killing" voldemort with a kunai. or biting his neck off or something like that.
... Yes Voldemort going down with a kunai... I wonder why a wizard didn't just grab a gun and shoot Voldemort and stop mass killings...

He can dissapear behind Orochimaru before Orochimaru even realizes he has that ability(and certainly before anyone here actually read the end of book 5 which is the only time we've seen "high levell deuling" and Voldemort at full power actually fight.)

raoul2000

06-28-2005, 01:32 PM

Right, he survives the Death curse, something that instantly kills anything it touches, and then he is killed by a Kunai...talk about nonsense!

But heh, what would you expect when posting this in the NARUTO forums?!

KuwabaraTheMan

06-28-2005, 01:55 PM

Voldemort's immortal, can kill you just by pointing at you, and can apparate and disapparate instantly.

akina uchiha

06-28-2005, 08:13 PM

i completely 110% think that orochimaru would win . Only because orchimaru has ninja power muhahaha which rocks by the way and his super long tounge .

sasukecopyninja

06-28-2005, 08:19 PM

ORO wins without even using more then his one finger

Skida386

06-30-2005, 04:33 AM

...I'm going to start by saying that you guys have completely decieded to ignore the fact that voldemort doesn't seem to be taken down by much of anything. He's "died" a few times, so clearly he's not going to bite it to a kunai...Or orochimaru's tongue... Unless he used it to provide voldemort with some sort of oral sex compensation for messing with him in the first place.

Figure A:
Orochimaru: "Ha! I'm creepy and do Snake things! Watch me suffocate you with my tongue! Ha!" :: Proceeds to make love to Voldemort's neck::
Voldemort: "Oh nos! I'm choking... AVADA KEDAVRA"
Orochimaru: "Splat!" ::Yes...he says splat. Then provides oral sex.::

Y'see? He's immortal... and lets say he wasn't... If I could do that I'd beat Orochimaru as well. As for Manda, he'd be like "Roar...I'm a snake" and Voldemort would go... Wait for it... "AVADA KEDAVRA!!!!!". Or...if he was feeling playful...just polymorph him into a pube. Or summon the Basilisk... and... umm... Well... "AVADA KEDAVRA!!!"

I mean... I guess Orochimaru could bite him and hope the curse seal kills him...Yanno...after... "AVADA KEDAVRA!!!" But odds are he'll survive and grow a third arm out of his forehead or something redonkulous like the rest of the cursed silly heads.
And then...Let's say Orochimaru was still around... He'd do this!

Orochimaru: "OMG WTHAX WITH THE THIRD ARM ON YOUR HEAD!"
Voldemort: "SHINKUTATSUMAKIHADOUSHORYU AVADA KEDAVRA!!!....no jutsu?"
Orochimaru: "...Am I looking at the inside of my colon? That's just not right... This is not a nice thing to do to somebody."

Seriously... I think if there was some sort of silly fight, Voldemort would make Orochimaru look like a vagina. That's right...He'd turn him into a creepy one eyed crab monster that drools uncontrollably! ...And... I guess I'll give him a club arm... Cause... "AVADA KEDAVRA!"

firesoferebus666

07-21-2005, 01:00 AM

WARNING: Possible Harry Potter and Naruto spoilers.
There are a lot of similarities between these two characters, and this fight came to me while I was thinking of that whole Harry Potter = Kabuto thing. I even drew a table of their qualities... (some of this is irrevelant)

Voldemort

Immortal: Horcruxes

Affil: Snakes

Killed by baby

Excels at: Curses

Followers: Pathetic death eaters that are usually defeated by students
Weakness: Love...
Leaves: lightening scar
Eyes: Red Orochimaru

Immortal: Immortality no Jutsu
Affil: Snakes
Deafeated by Hokage, the friggen strongest of the nation, but managed to kill him.
Excels @: all ninja arts?
Followers: Kabuto, rather pathetic sound 5 defeated by a small handful of genins and 1 chuunin...
Weakness: Slugs?
Leaves: Cool curse seal thing
Eyes: Snake! OWNAGE! Looks pretty close to me...

leesan

07-21-2005, 05:03 AM

Voldemort has a killing spell. Thats nice. But we all know that you could have a lethal attack but if you're delivery is crappy you aren't worth jack ie...
- sasuke's chidori and itachi catching it midflight
- kakashi throwing away two lethal attacks (naruto and sasuke first rasengan and chidori clash)
- oro kawarimi'ing out of anko's suicide jutsu
- etc

The thing is, avada kedavra is an energy blast. sure lethal, but nothing extraordinary in its ability to connect. We've seen shinobis dodging lethal projecticles of all flavors...multiple shurikens, giant fire blasts, a pack of summoned ice wolves, destructive sound waves, piercing wind slices, and so on.

On top of that, whose to say the spell can't be cancelled. Sound five can busts out a shield jutsu. Throw a kunai in the path of the spell. kawarimi a death eater with yourself and have the spell kill their allie. Edotensei an unkillable hokage to take the hit. Genjutsu the dumasses and have them kill each other off.

Voldemort though with powerful tricks, is more like a mad scientist with a death ray. Oro has been trained to kill, he's more like the assassin that kills the mad scientist and steals his deathray.

Simply put, oro has the pure combat experience and combative arsenal to take voldemort down. Then disguise himself as voldemort and have the death eaters attack konoha for him.

lekki

07-21-2005, 05:26 AM

But it's true, wizards rely on their opponents moving with relatively realistic speed.
Oro and most shinobi from Naruto move with a speed that peeps in lord of the ring can't.
Valdermort is a goner.

Heartgobbler

07-29-2005, 12:41 AM

I guess Voldemort would die the first time they fought. But the next time, he would come better prepared (and Orochimaru isn't THAT good at coming back from the dead.)

KuwabaraTheMan

07-29-2005, 05:36 AM

Voldemort would win. Orochimaru can't apparate, bounce back killing spells, or really combat a Wizard's abilities at all. He wouldn't even be able to touch the Dark Lord.

Marsala

07-29-2005, 06:17 AM

But it's true, wizards rely on their opponents moving with relatively realistic speed.
Oro and most shinobi from Naruto move with a speed that peeps in lord of the ring can't.
Valdermort is a goner.
You have committed the cardinal sin of confusing LOTR and Harry Potter! Get off the Internet, now! :wink

Yami no Takeshi

07-29-2005, 06:31 AM

Jedi Mind Tricks

07-29-2005, 08:01 PM

I've only seen the first Harry Potter film.

Orochimaru takes this match and Voldemort without the vasaline.

OniTasku

07-29-2005, 09:02 PM

Code

07-29-2005, 09:07 PM

Orochimaru would win this pretty quick. As bad as Voldemort is, Orochimaru is insanely strong and fast. I mean, Voldemort is the baddest wizard in all of the Wizarding World, but Orochimaru could still take him out. Orochimaru has all those hundreds (probably more like thousands) or jutsu's that he has learnt and has Manda at his comand, I'd say that's a pretty formidable force.
Thousands is definitely a bit too much. (Probably more than one thousand but then there's a lot of weak ones among them...). Voldemort also has tons of spells, it could very well only be in the hundreds and it could be in the "thousands" like Orochimaru. Manda at his command? Voldemort would probably be able to take over him as he does with any snake. While Orochimaru has to summon him, Voldemort pretty much makes snakes out of thing air(or changes things into snakes). Orochimaru is too fast? Pft... Voldemort teleports....

itachidattebayo

07-30-2005, 12:34 AM

Instead of fighting, they will compare their collection of snakes.....
Oro: Mine is beautiful
Volde: Mine is bigger.......

Raistlin-sama

07-31-2005, 04:00 PM

Vetrean

07-31-2005, 04:50 PM

Voldemort, Orochimaru wil maybe beat him first, but Voldemort wil still be alive, and could plan how to take him down. And a prepared wizard>>>>>>an unprepared one, so Voldemort takes it second time, if not the first.

That's assuming one of his faithful Death Eaters revives him, and after seeing Voldy get his ass creamed by Oro, they probably piss their pants and join up with the Sound.

Seriously, considering that spells can easily be dodged(I'm guessing they're about the speed of very well-thrown shuriken(see Forest of Death), Oro takes this.

Avada Kedavra can kill in one blow, yes. But it seems to be the only spell that does so. And Orochimaru can just dodge it.

AS for controlling Manda...well, it's bound by a summoning contract, so...no. Either way, Oro will know, and if Voldy can control dear old Manda, then Orochimaru can just Kawarimi behind Voldemort and kill him.

It's not as if wizards are trained in hand-to-hand combat; they rely on sticks that can be snapped oh so easily, their spells have mediocre speed, and a lot of them rely on willpower. Orochimaru can show Voldemort his own death through his eyes, and then goes up, kills him, and steals Nagini.

Nakor

07-31-2005, 05:41 PM

well Oro can't technically win the fight. he could win the battle, but since voldemort can't die, then there is no way for him to actually win the battle and kill him.

while Oro can move at high speeds, voldemort can teleport instantly to any location.

voldemort doens't have to just use avada kedavra, he could use the impervious curse(sp?), and take over Oro's mind. he can also make things come alive like statues and what not too.

i'd say voldemort.

Friend

07-31-2005, 05:53 PM

I don't know! I'm so confused on this! I think they should go makeout in their evilness or something.

Oro - Runs fast/ speedy | Voldemort - Teleports
Voldemort - Can't die | Oro - Close enough to immortal
Oro - Many jutsus | Voldemort - Many spells

I don't remember in the battle between voldy and dumbledore but I thought he could do spells without wands? I don't remember but I know he can do spells without talking so it depends on how fast voldy can point and shoot. Orochimaru has an arsenal of different jutsus under his sleeve too so how would he able to take voldy down quickly?

Voldy can't die either so I dunno. Probably Orochimaru wins because it's a battle but it's close. Or Voldemort... bah, I dunno.

They are both evil and should write a book together. Snakes in the Mist... or something like that.

Marsala

07-31-2005, 06:20 PM

Orochimaru wins. Voldemort may be able to instantly teleport but his spellcasting is limited by his reaction speed, which is still human (or pretty close). Orochimaru OTOH has reflexes and body movement far greater than any human; he is at least as fast as Rock Lee without weights, and Voldemort would never hit him with a single curse since hexes travel no faster than shuriken. Orochmaru's offensive jutsus are also too powerful for Voldemort to deal with. He will be blown away by a powerful wind or incinerated in a massive fireball. Voldemort may not be able to be killed, but Orochimaru will reduce him to his bodiless state.

Gattsuu

07-31-2005, 06:52 PM

We're forgetting edo tensei here, and with it the possible amalgamation of 4 former hokages (could he summon the third?). Think about it Shodaime, Nidaime, (Sandaime) and the fourth as well as orochimaru vs voldemart. Not only are they extremely powerful genius ninjas who would be infinitely difficult to dispose of; In their summoned form they are near indestructable, the only known way to dispose of them is to use the death god sealing technique (fuuin jutsu shiki fuuijin), other attacks prove to be ineffective as they seem to beable to regenerate themselves at will.

If we disregard edo tensei then maybe there's a legitimate debate, however when you pit voldemart against 5 kage level nins (4 of whom cannot die) and consider their relative jutsus and abilities (especially hiraishin no jutsu), the best outcome I can see for voldemart is repeated death. And I know there's the whole thing of him not being able to die so I forsee several outcomes; summoned kages and voldemart duke it out for eternity; orochimaru uses his immortality jutsu on voldemart hence taking over his body whilst 4 kages hold him down; oro uses immortality jutsu on harry then kills voldemart using harry's body hence fulfilling the prophecy (the propehcy in harry potter that allows voldemart to die); oro seals him into a scroll (that's right iruka managed to get himself sealed into a scroll in the chuunin exam, I doubt it'd be beyond oro's or the 4 former kages abilities to do the same to voldemart) where he resides for eternity; oro gives him the curse seal and makes him his bitch; sandaime/fourth use death god and extract voldemart's soul (this one is debatable I'm pretty certain contract summons wouldnt work, but the contract with the death god is made upon summoning where the user forfeits their own soul in order to extract the soul of another, I realise the souls of the third and fourth reside in the stomach of the death god, however the edo tensei summons have new souls gathered from previously sacrificed people, therefore as long as they have a soul of some sort the summon may still work).

I realise this post may come across as sounding a little bias and I must admit my knowledge of harry potter is fairly limited in comparison to my knowledge of naruto, but from what I've read / seen naruto characters in general are stronger than harry potter characters. I can't see voldemart landing a hit on oro, oro could happily fight with a kage bunshin and be hiding in the bushes casting various genjutsu and other forms of ill s**t whilst the kages and his kage bunshin do the dirty work.

Vetrean

07-31-2005, 07:27 PM

One more thing. FOr anyone who says Voldemort can control Orochimaru with an Imperious curse...

Remember that it can be broken out of.

Also, a legitimate defeat doesn't mean Voldemort dies, it means he's more or less incapacitated. It's sort of like in Go; you don't have to capture the stones to make sure they're dead.

The Horcruxes have a limited usefulness, it seems to me. For Voldemort to survive being killed, first off, he has to have available soul fragments waiting in the Horcrux/Horcruxes.

Second, for him to be able to fight again, someone has to revive him. And so you see, after Oro beats Voldy's ass from here to the next millenium, the Death Eaters would all join him.

Twizted

07-31-2005, 08:03 PM

My vote is for Orochimaru...

GTOnizukadude

07-31-2005, 10:03 PM

Code

07-31-2005, 10:08 PM

Voldemort can't be killed, but if he "dies" once, he's screwed for 15+ years (or never)

The fight:

Voldemort: AVADA KEDAVRA!
Orochimaru: *dodges* I'm a navaho! *summons manda*
Manda: *sits on voldemort* Gimme a sacrifice!
Voldemort: ima die! *is dead*
Orochimaru: *summons Manda
Voldemort: *forces Manda to eat Orochimaru.

Or

Voldemort: *teleports behind Orochimaru *does Ava Kedavara without saying anyting
Orochimaru: *dies

Vetrean

07-31-2005, 10:51 PM

Orochimaru: *summons Manda
Voldemort: *forces Manda to eat Orochimaru.

Or

Voldemort: *teleports behind Orochimaru *does Ava Kedavara without saying anyting
Orochimaru: *dies

Both Manda and Orochimaru seem to have great reflexes, and strong wills, so the Imperius won't work.

And who's to say Oro won't send in a BUnshin/Kage Bunshin as a scout?

Marsala

08-01-2005, 12:50 AM

Orochimaru: *summons Manda
Voldemort: *forces Manda to eat Orochimaru.

More likely:

Orochimaru: *summons Manda
Voldemort: Eat your master!
Manda: Hey, why are you shouting at me like I'm some stupid Garter snake that can't talk except in Parseltongue! And who are you to give me orders! Orochimaru, get out of the way! I'm going to rip this guy to shreds!
Voldemort: Uh oh.

Or

Voldemort: *teleports behind Orochimaru *does Ava Kedavara without saying anyting
Orochimaru: *dies
More likely:

Voldemort: *teleports behind Orochimaru *does Avada Kedavra without saying anyting
Orochimaru: *dies
Voldemort: *cackles in fiendish glee
Orochimaru: *decapitates Voldemort from behind* You fell for my Kawarimi no Jutsu. It was very easy to hear the displacement of air from your teleportation jutsu and to sense your unusual chakra.
Voldemort: Crap. Fifteen more years of possessing rats and snakes again.

Vetrean

08-01-2005, 03:22 AM

NeoSapien, I bow to you.

bigdaddy843

08-01-2005, 11:22 AM

voldy get mah vote. He can just summon a basilisk, which manda unknowingly stares at and dies. mena while, oro who may be cleverer uses all his jutsus and what not, all of us must remeber that Voldemort has spells of mass destruction, e.g hurricane in book 6, he can summon armies of infreri hu can only be affected by fire, he's got potions and shit to help him, he can transfigure then apparate, giving the effect of the replacement jutsu, he can definitely use a magical cage to trap oro, oro even with great will power won't noe wat the hell to do if hit with imperius. Voldy has shields which I am sure can shield him from both physical and elemental attacks. Oro will eventually run out of chakravoldemort does'nt even have to speak as he is a master of non-verbal spells, oro wastes precious seconds on seals.

Vetrean

08-01-2005, 01:51 PM

voldy get mah vote. He can just summon a basilisk, which manda unknowingly stares at and dies.

Considering that the fact that the basilisk's glare might only affect the things found in the Wizarding world, and the fact that Manda seems to be the snake of all snakes, at the very least, he'll get in a couple of bites. Besides, Voldy got a basilisk in the Chamber of Secrets because it was already there; basilisks seem to be very rare.

mena while, oro who may be cleverer uses all his jutsus and what not, all of us must remeber that Voldemort has spells of mass destruction, e.g hurricane in book 6,

Orochimaru can summon a localized hurricane, and that would take less time than creating an actual hurricane.

he can summon armies of infreri hu can only be affected by fire,

Only if he's got a ready supply of dead bodies there with him, and come on, do you really think Oro-chan doesn't know a single fire jutsu? Besides, a couple of Bakuretsuufuu would create some fire in t he explosion.

he's got potions and shit to help him, he can transfigure then apparate, giving the effect of the replacement jutsu,

Potions take time to mix, tranfiguring then apparating would be a waste of time, and if any ninja could just be fooled by a Kawarimi right behind them, then it's amazing it's never occurred to anyone to do that, no?

he can definitely use a magical cage to trap oro, oro even with great will power won't noe wat the hell to do if hit with imperius. Voldy has shields which I am sure can shield him from both physical and elemental attacks. Oro will eventually run out of chakravoldemort does'nt even have to speak as he is a master of non-verbal spells, oro wastes precious seconds on seals.

It's simple, what you do when hit with the Imperius, you don't do what the voice tells you to. Duh.

Considering the sheer speed at which Oro could use a jutsu, then teleport to the back of Voldy, the shields won't matter.

Oro may run out of chakra....but that's assuming that the battle lasts that long. Come on, you think the one who seems to be the strongest out of three of the strongest ninjas in the world can't take down Voldemort, with his slightly above human reflexes that seem to extend only to his hands, his pathetic spells shown so far(How do you avoid a spell? You bend over, or you move aside.), and his huge ego.

By the way, as a sidenote, Nagini isn't a basilisk. It stared straight into Frank whatshisname in the Goblet of Fire, and he didn't die until Voldemort killed him.

Marysmary

08-02-2005, 10:48 PM

I think Orochimaru will win.Jutsus are much more useful than Spells.

bigdaddy843

08-03-2005, 12:22 AM

Clarification, I never said taht Nagini wa a Basilisk, besides, just grab a chicken's egg, dump it under a toad and cast a time and hatching acceleration spell, there u have it, instant Basilisk. BTW they are rare cause nobody wants to make them and they are banned.

Er Oro cant actually teleport, what makes u think apparation is'nt gonna be faster than physical movement, since it is described as instant space shift.

What's gonna stop Voldy from apparating say 100 km away then using a spell that vapes everything in front of him that ranges that far away.

Potions can be ready made and think stuff like re'em blood, instant physical invincibility.

Er full all round shields sound familiar?

Alright, screw this topic if both sides are gonna be so admant.

Vetrean

08-03-2005, 12:34 AM

I never said Nagini was a basilisk, and I never said you did. But I thought a few people might make that kind of argument.

And if it's so easy to just apparate behind a guy and fire off a killing spell, tell me how any Death Eaters ever got apprehended.

Potions can be ready made, but that's with prep time, and if Voldemort has prep time for potions and Horcruxes, Oro has prep time, and brings in Manda, and some good old Edo Tensei. No matter how powerful Voldy is, he won't be able to break out of a Kokuangyo.

No proof that Voldemort would have a spell like that, because if he did, he could've conquered the whole world in just a few hours.

Heartgobbler

08-05-2005, 05:22 PM

Elemental attacks aren't easy to block but the spell that (tome 5 I think) made the door repel dungbombs and extendable ears could be easily adapted to stop projectiles and poison gas.

If Voldemort knows about Oro's speed, he would be a fool to go for a straight fight. I think he would rather try some kind of a trap or treachery (imperiusing some minor underling of Oro to do the job for him)

And, seeing how it works in Potter, snakespeach doesn't completely control snakes. It charms rather than compells , makes them friendly and \ or obedient but cannot take over a creature already controlled by someone else.

DarkSwarden

08-05-2005, 05:24 PM

umm orochimaru would win cuz voldemort is just some pussy in Harry potter :S

OniTasku

08-05-2005, 05:51 PM

More likely:

Orochimaru: *summons Manda
Voldemort: Eat your master!
Manda: Hey, why are you shouting at me like I'm some stupid Garter snake that can't talk except in Parseltongue! And who are you to give me orders! Orochimaru, get out of the way! I'm going to rip this guy to shreds!
Voldemort: Uh oh.

More likely:

Voldemort: *teleports behind Orochimaru *does Avada Kedavra without saying anyting
Orochimaru: *dies
Voldemort: *cackles in fiendish glee
Orochimaru: *decapitates Voldemort from behind* You fell for my Kawarimi no Jutsu. It was very easy to hear the displacement of air from your teleportation jutsu and to sense your unusual chakra.
Voldemort: Crap. Fifteen more years of possessing rats and snakes again.

Very, very true.

Orochimaru has a bit more experience that Voldemort. Well, considering that he has created his own country, killed both the 4th Kazekage and 3rd Hokage, and has his own "real" army, not to mention being one of the strongest ninja's from his original country, I think he's got Voldemort a bit outmatched.

In a battle of speed:
Orochimaru > Voldemort

In a battle of techniques:
Orochimaru > Voldemort

In a battle of endurance:
Orochimaru > Voldemort

In a battle of their armies:
Orochimaru > Voldemort

In a battle to the death:
Orochimaru > Voldemort

KuwabaraTheMan

08-06-2005, 06:31 AM

Very, very true.

Orochimaru has a bit more experience that Voldemort. Well, considering that he has created his own country, killed both the 4th Kazekage and 3rd Hokage, and has his own "real" army, not to mention being one of the strongest ninja's from his original country, I think he's got Voldemort a bit outmatched.

Voldemort has his own real army, that's a lot more impressive then Orochimaru's. His includes all the Death Eaters, not to mention Inferi, Giants, Werewolves, Dementors, etcetera.

Orochimaru has Kabuto, Sasuke, and a bunch of random punks.

In a battle of speed:
Orochimaru > Voldemort

Write this down:
NO
Voldemort can effing teleport. Orochimaru cannot(they make a big deal of the 4th's Hiraishin no jutsu, and Apparating is strictly superior to Hiraishin, because you can apparate anywhere.)

In a battle of techniques:
Orochimaru > Voldemort

Voldemort knows just about every type of magic there is(Orochimaru doesn't know all ninjutsu, its his goal and ambition to do so, thus he hasn't done it yet).

In a battle of endurance:
Orochimaru > Voldemort

Most likely, yes. But endurance doesn't help you against Avada Kedavra.

In a battle of their armies:
Orochimaru > Voldemort

No, just no. The Death Eaters alone could probably take the Sound(who have almost no one aside from Kabuto and Sasuke, the rest are a bunch of people in prison cells), that's without factoring in Dementors, Inferi, Giants, Werewolves, and other follows of The Big V.

In a battle to the death:
Orochimaru > Voldemort
Voldemort has a spell that kills you instantly, Orochimaru doesn't. The End.

itachidattebayo

08-06-2005, 07:33 AM

Orochimaru has Kabuto, Sasuke, and a bunch of random punks.

Not quite true actually, they had powers that were bestowed onto them by Oro (Curse Seal) and that makes them stronger......

In a battle of speed, I would say ninjas have a more advantage than wizards. Ninjas are trained in speed and powerful in suprise attacks.......Whats more, all oro need is to knock the wand out of his hand and the battle would be over.....Remember that all Wizards need their wands to perform spells. etc and that is their greatest weakness

In a battle of summons, Manda would surely be stronger than any Baslisks, remember that Manda is much bigger than Basillisk : Ratio of Harry Potter(small size boy) to Basillsk's head 1:2 or 3 while Ratio of Oro(full grown adult) to Manda's head 1:15.

In a battle of endurance, remember that Oro took a Katon RyuKa No Jutsu without a lot of damage, in fact, no damage was done expect his fake face melted......

In a battle of wits, Oro had cleverly used his Bunshin Jutsus to a great extent by cleverly faking his enemies out.....Like when Volde casted Aveda Kadvera or Imperius on him, it turned out to a Bunshin or stuff like that. In the wizarding worlds, I have never seen a doppledanger spell

In a battle of techniques, so what if Volde knows Transfigure or Apparatng, Oro knows henge or the face change jutsus too and Oro does know teleporting too(when he runs away from Jiraiya and Tsunade) and what Volde learn is old techniques and none was created by himself whereas Oro had his own personal jutsus.....Even the Imperius is less effective than Genjutsus as Imperius requires a wand but Genjutsu can be performed by eye contacts .etc.....And also one stab from Oro's sword to the heart can also one hit kill......

OniTasku

08-06-2005, 03:24 PM

Not quite true actually, they had powers that were bestowed onto them by Oro (Curse Seal) and that makes them stronger......

In a battle of speed, I would say ninjas have a more advantage than wizards. Ninjas are trained in speed and powerful in suprise attacks.......Whats more, all oro need is to knock the wand out of his hand and the battle would be over.....Remember that all Wizards need their wands to perform spells. etc and that is their greatest weakness

In a battle of summons, Manda would surely be stronger than any Baslisks, remember that Manda is much bigger than Basillisk : Ratio of Harry Potter(small size boy) to Basillsk's head 1:2 or 3 while Ratio of Oro(full grown adult) to Manda's head 1:15.

In a battle of endurance, remember that Oro took a Katon RyuKa No Jutsu without a lot of damage, in fact, no damage was done expect his fake face melted......

In a battle of wits, Oro had cleverly used his Bunshin Jutsus to a great extent by cleverly faking his enemies out.....Like when Volde casted Aveda Kadvera or Imperius on him, it turned out to a Bunshin or stuff like that. In the wizarding worlds, I have never seen a doppledanger spell

In a battle of techniques, so what if Volde knows Transfigure or Apparatng, Oro knows henge or the face change jutsus too and Oro does know teleporting too(when he runs away from Jiraiya and Tsunade) and what Volde learn is old techniques and none was created by himself whereas Oro had his own personal jutsus.....Even the Imperius is less effective than Genjutsus as Imperius requires a wand but Genjutsu can be performed by eye contacts .etc.....And also one stab from Oro's sword to the heart can also one hit kill......

Thank you very much for backing it up. :thumbs

Orochimaru could win against Voldemort. Like it was stated above, all Oro has to do and destroy Voldemort's wand, and he's done for. Now yes, I realise that Voldemort does have a few techniques that can be used without a wand (further explained in HP: The Half-Blood Prince), but Orochimaru has a very strong will an it won't be manipulated that easily.

His army just Kabuto, Sasuke and a bunch of punks, huh? Really, because I distinctly remember that Orochimaru actually has a organized army built up that took (with assistance from Suna as well) that took on Konoha, the strongest of the 5 Great Ninja Nations. Orochimaru managed to kill the strongest Kage, the 3rd Hokage, Sandaime. Yes, Oro did loose the ability of his arms, but well, Eda Tensai, and he has a new body again.

Orochimaru would be able to tell when and where Voldemort apparates, considering Voldemort probably gives off a very strange energy or chakra. Plus with Orochimaru, he could just have a few dozen kage bunshins and Voldemort would not nearly have enough time to dispense of all of them.

Orochimaru > Voldemort

Set, match, win.

The 21st Hokage

08-07-2005, 05:52 PM

Orochimaru would stomp him a new one.

GTOnizukadude

08-07-2005, 10:49 PM

Voldemort has his own real army, that's a lot more impressive then Orochimaru's. His includes all the Death Eaters, not to mention Inferi, Giants, Werewolves, Dementors, etcetera.

Death Eaters<<<<<<Ninjas. They're can't even hit little kids, let alone people with speed training.

Inferi are zombies. Everything>Zombies.

Giants... might be a problem. But then again, Orochimaru summons giant two headed snakes. Uber-Snake>Giants (Tayuya can help also)

Werewolves are angry strong dog people. Werewolves<Ninjas

Dementors... erm... I dunno. If they see that Orochimaru is stronger they'll just desert.

Orochimaru has Kabuto, Sasuke, and a bunch of random punks.

Random Punks as in... a village of Ninjas?
And aren't you the big "Kabuto pwns god" guy?

Write this down:
NO
Voldemort can effing teleport. Orochimaru cannot(they make a big deal of the 4th's Hiraishin no jutsu, and Apparating is strictly superior to Hiraishin, because you can apparate anywhere.)

Teleportation just means he can get behind Orochimaru. Like many people have already pointed out, Orochimaru can Kawarimi any hex/curse/Avada Kedavra that Voldemort throws at him.

Voldemort knows just about every type of magic there is(Orochimaru doesn't know all ninjutsu, its his goal and ambition to do so, thus he hasn't done it yet).

Most Magic:
Useless or Funny

Only spells that'll help:
Avada Kedavra
Cruciatus
Imperius

Most likely, yes. But endurance doesn't help you against Avada Kedavra.

That's true, but snapping Voldemort's wand will.

No, just no. The Death Eaters alone could probably take the Sound(who have almost no one aside from Kabuto and Sasuke, the rest are a bunch of people in prison cells), that's without factoring in Dementors, Inferi, Giants, Werewolves, and other follows of The Big V.

The Death Eaters alone managed to scare some kids, then had to run away from a very small number of (albeit good) wizards. The guys in prison cells>Azkaban Prisoners.

As for other followers, look at the first time I poked them.

Voldemort has a spell that kills you instantly, Orochimaru doesn't. The End.

Normal people can dodge that spell. Orochimaru>>>>>>>>>>>>Normal people. The End.

itachidattebayo

08-07-2005, 11:25 PM

Another good theory that Orochimaru>Voldemort.....:D

Kagenin

08-08-2005, 01:06 AM

Oro would prolly win unless he gets overcofident adn vol slips somethign into his food or something. Then again... Sound nins are strangely stupid.... i mean they got beaten by a handful of genins and one chuunin

FireEel

09-10-2005, 11:07 AM

Firstly, I am no Harry Potter fanboy more than I am a Naruto fanboy. I like both universes equally, and I am also struck by just how similar both villians from different universes are. As of now, I am at Book 5 of Harry Potter, and chapter 275 of Naruto. So please, NO SPOILERS beyond any of these, for they are likely to ruin our future experience when we read through those ourselves.

1) Both are pale-faced, and has pale skin, and bears a strong resemblems to snakes

2) Both uses a snake, and are also deeply associated with snakes

3) Both have the power to possess a weaker lifeform(Orochimaru possessed strong ninjas as he saw fit, Voldemort possessed snakes, other wizards and even Ron's sister. Most had their lives shortened however, a harmful side effect from Voldemort's possession)

4) Both were brillant, genius and outstanding in their school/academy days

5) Both went against their headmaster/teacher, and also claimed that person to be one of their greatest enemy(Orochimaru was taught by Sarutobi, and fought him and was almost killed. Voldemort fought and was nearly defeated by Dumbledore, and claims him to be his greatest enemy)

6) Both have a wide variety of loyal and unloyal followers, and even more concidental is the fact that some followerers are fatally and foolishly loyal for no apparent reason

7) Both ill-treat or do not give a damn about their followers if they themselves are in danger

8) Both kill without a thought or remorse

9) Both are immensely evil, twisted and beyond all reason

10) Both are incredibly powerful in their own universe

11) Both are seemingly invincible(Orochimaru faced the full wraith of Tsunade's strength as well as Death God and countless other, yet hes still alive and claims he's immortal. Voldemort's 1-hit kill spell rebounded and hit him, destroying his body and power immediately, yet he remained in spirit form and could regain a body)

12) Both are maliciously cunning, and many a times, send the good guys in circle, and play the good guys to their hands

Who would win in a fight? Assuming that Orochimaru doesn't have Manda, and that Voldemort didn't have Wormtail or Nagini(not that they were THAT useful) or any other of their followers. Also assume that they have no prior understanding of any's power. Voldemort does not possess chakra, and is in his original body. Orochimaru does not possess wizard blood, and is in his body BEFORE he fought Sarutobi.

I think this would be a pretty close fight. While Orochimaru certainly have a horrifying arsenal of deadly jutsus, incredible speed and strength, and his sword of Kunsunagi is no joke, Voldemort isn't all that helpless either. There seems to be no way to counter his spells, especially the Avada Kedavra which kills instantly, and has only been blocked by the power of sacrifical love once ever. Voldemort can also apparate, which means he can teleport anywhere he wants instantly, similar to the Hirashin no jutsu without need of a special kunai. Also note that neither can stare each other down. Staring in Orochimaru's eyes give one visions of death, staring into Voldemort's eyes gives one great fear, uneasiness and terror.

For now...I think Orochimaru wins by a very slight margin, as his ability may help him dodge the Avada Kedavra.

Sabaku no Ira

09-10-2005, 11:13 AM

Isn't there already a thread like this already?

Oro for the win. Oro's fast enough to dodge spells but Voldie isn't fast enough to dodge jutsus.

Code

09-10-2005, 12:22 PM

Isn't there already a thread like this already?

Oro for the win. Oro's fast enough to dodge spells but Voldie isn't fast enough to dodge jutsus.
... Spells should vary by level of the user and speed.

Voldemort apparates, basically comparable to the Hiraishin but no special kunai required... A good example of where he uses it combined with using spells without saying words (would Orochimaru still have to say jutsu names?) are at the end of Book 5.

Hangatýr

09-10-2005, 02:02 PM

Ebo

09-10-2005, 02:57 PM

Hmmmmm... What an interesting match-up. Well, being a fanatic about both Harry Potter and Naruto, I can tell you this. Orochimaru has a bit of an advantage. As he used against Naruto, Oro can dis-balance Chakra with his 5 element sealing move. Suggesting that he can use this to dis-balance magic, Oro has a possibility of winning. The only disadvantage is Voldemort's apparating ability. If Oro had any sort of speed increasing jutsu, he may or may not be able to catch up to Voldemort. If he used his toungue, however, Oro could reach him. So, in conclusion, I believe that Oro has the advantage.:oro

Rocklee88

09-10-2005, 03:06 PM

oro ofcourse! voldemort cant do jack shit =P

Sharingan Yoda

09-10-2005, 03:56 PM

I think Orochimaru. While Voldemort is incredibly powerful in magic, he has no physical skills. If Orochimaru got in close, the match would be over.

FireEel

09-10-2005, 04:34 PM

Yes, I did not read book 6. I have not the money to afford one last time.

What then, would be the current price of the book? I yearn to read it.

Tsukiyomi

09-10-2005, 05:07 PM

I've read Book 6 and I still say Orochimaru.

Voldemort may be able to apperate (which I do not think is comparable to Hiraishin because there is a delay in speed), but Orochimaru can summon indestructible fully powered Zombies to fight.

He could summon Dumbledore And summon a few other HP wizards to do all his fighting for him if he wanted. They would be unable to die again and able to fight Voldemort for him.

Orochimaru also has a lot of spells he can use without words (like the hidden snake hands and sword of Kusanagi), he could also summon giant snakes and Manda.

Until we see more from Voldemort other than reputation I give this to Orochimaru.

Code

09-10-2005, 05:10 PM

But those summoned wizards without wands wouldn't be able to do much...

Voldemort could probably control Manda...

Delay in speed of apparation?

Tsukiyomi

09-10-2005, 05:18 PM

But those summoned wizards without wands wouldn't be able to do much...

Voldemort could probably control Manda...

Delay in speed of apparation?

Control Manda how? Manda already speaks huma languages and all the summoned animals in Naruto understand humans. Why would he obey a command from Voldemort over Orochimaru?

If they're buried with their wands they would be summoned with them, notice when the First and Second are summoned they still have everything on them they had when they died.

If the wizards can comprehend the process of apparation like Harry did with Dumbledore then there has to be some time delay otherwise there would be no time to comprehend anything.

Code

09-10-2005, 05:26 PM

Control Manda how? Manda already speaks huma languages and all the summoned animals in Naruto understand humans. Why would he obey a command from Voldemort over Orochimaru?

I'm sure Snakes speak to each other... (possibly), yet they don't listen to each other. Yet Voldemort has some command over snakes, down to the point of him having snake-like features. Harry who got his abilities from Voldemort in a way, went all the way to inhibit a snake. Better control than having to pay sacrifices to a snake who will kill you otherwise.

If they're buried with their wands they would be summoned with them, notice when the First and Second are summoned they still have everything on them they had when they died.

That's a big "if."

If the wizards can comprehend the process of apparation like Harry did with Dumbledore then there has to be some time delay otherwise there would be no time to comprehend anything.
Well it's a mere thought and you apparate. Jutsus require more than that, it requires a molding of chakra and so on.

TenshiOni

09-10-2005, 05:34 PM

Merged with existing thread.

Anyway, I'm with Oro on this one. He should be fast enough to dodge most spells, even un-announced ones, and he could even summon

Dumbledore to fight with him.

Tsukiyomi

09-10-2005, 05:46 PM

I'm sure Snakes speak to each other... (possibly), yet they don't listen to each other. Yet Voldemort has some command over snakes, down to the point of him having snake-like features. Harry who got his abilities from Voldemort in a way, went all the way to inhibit a snake. Better control than having to pay sacrifices to a snake who will kill you otherwise.

We don't know WHY the snakes in the HP universe choose to obey someone using parseltongue, it obviously must be a matter of choice (since the Basilisk choose to only obey tom riddle and not harry who could also use parseltongue).

Manda on the other hand wouldn't obey someone he just saw for the first time, and like I said he can already understand Orochimaru so what good does parseltongue do?

That's a big "if."

Fine, lets say none of them were, he could just summon undead ninjas from Naruto. They would still be immune to spells like Avada Kedavra because they're already dead, Cruicio wouldn't work because they're just puppets and Imperius wouldn't work because again they're just puppets already under control.

A few Kage level undead ninjas would put Orochimaru beyond Voldemorts ability to harm, they could just jump in the way to intercept any attacks.

Well it's a mere thought and you apparate. Jutsus require more than that, it requires a molding of chakra and so on.

A thought to initiate the apparation, the process itself obviously has some kind of delay, not to mention the fact that it creates a loud popping noise, that would allow Orochimaru to always know where Voldemort was, things like even body flicker are silent.

Code

09-10-2005, 05:57 PM

Well I'd assume the reason they obey is related to magic...

Voldemort could trap them in a way so they can't get out. As done when Voldemort animated those statues (technically if they're fighing on say the Valley of the End he'd just make those statues crush everything in sight.)

Well I don't see how there's a delay aside from the thought process which a high-level wizard wouldn't require much time for. Well if Orochimaru can indeed tell sound from a location, especially if the place in a battlefield, possibly. Though that's assuming he can. Though doesn't matter if the apparation comes with a bunch of spells aimed at him.

jonat3

09-11-2005, 07:07 AM

I'm opting for a draw here. Consider this. In the dark ages witches were sent burning, but they used a spell to make them immune to fire. Considering the nature of magic, they could theoretically use that very same spell to go to the sun and they wouldn't even feel any heat. Voldemort would probably use a spell that makes him invulnerable and only magic could penetrate a magic shield.
But i did notice that magic spells require a target for them to aim at. Considering Oro's speed, none of the spells would ever actually hit him. Unless Voldemort used portkeys to put Oro in a disadvantagous situation or let Oro come at him in a magical fortress.

So it would probably turn out to be a draw.

Heartgobbler

09-16-2005, 09:39 AM

If they just walk into eachother in the street, Oro is the clear winner because of his speed (allowing him to dodge curses and kill his foe in close combat)

With prep-time however, the chances start changing significantly in favour of Voldemort, who can invent protection spells faster than Oro does new techniques (for example, it takes just one spell of deflection to make all projectile based techniques useless. Remember the enchanted door that repelled dungbombs:P ), plus he can get his hands on new magic items ,which are much more common in his world.

cinosweiv

09-16-2005, 11:53 AM

A very funny thread :tem

Voldemort will win, reasons:
1. better relationship with snake (can control snake)
2. Avadra Kedavra, a hit then die
3. Legilimency (reading mind) will work very fine to find out all Orochimaru's evil plans
4. Immortal, and can't die in a combat unless Orochimaru did something beforehands (Book 6 readers will know what I'm talking about)
5. Everyone fears speaking his name
6. Apparation is so helpful in winning Voldemort

firesoferebus666

11-02-2005, 09:00 PM

Forgot some stuff:
Voldemort: To kill me, you have to get rid of this diary, this ring, this (etc...)
Orochimaru: You just kill me and I go X.x

V: I can control a big snake that slithers around Hogwarts school, as well as any other snake.
O: I can summon and control Manda, who is about as big as Hogwarts school. Also, you can't control him with snake talk cuz he speaks English (well technically Japanese)

V: I fight with a twig
O: I lick people

lordridley

03-19-2007, 09:33 PM

orochimaru wins by taking over voldemorts body and casting out voldemorts damned soulto be eaten by well, the thingamabob that its souls that people call the devil. so orochimaru wins and voldemort is FINALY gone for good without chance for revival. the apparations and avada kedavera wouldnt even do voldemort any good whatsoever in this situation.
alternatively, orochimaru could threaten to maleste voldemort, like we all know that he plans to do to sasuke, sending the "dark lord" running like a frightened school girl.
in addition to this, if i am correct, orochimaru can have dead powerful people fight for him and, because they are already dead, they cant be killed suless they are sealed.
in summary orochimary compleatly and utterly PWNS voldemort.

Graham Aker

03-19-2007, 09:40 PM

Voldemort...

he can mind read, teleport, mind control, mind rape, and has a spell that is 1 hit kill...

Sylar

03-20-2007, 12:05 AM

This is a really old thread. Voldemort kills Oro easily though.
Avada Kadevra > ninjas.

Graham Aker

03-20-2007, 12:23 AM

Sectumsempra > Ninjas

omgbbq

03-20-2007, 12:39 AM

unless voldemort can land avada kedavra with human speed, orichimaru takes this

K I S K E

03-20-2007, 03:43 AM

Oro can take his body, dispell his soul. And then find a good body. Voldemort got beat by an infant...

Graham Aker

03-20-2007, 03:56 AM

Oro can take his body, dispell his soul. And then find a good body.
shame Oro wont be able to do that...what with Voldemort reading his mind and all...
Voldemort got beat by an infant..
and do you know why?

K I S K E

03-20-2007, 04:08 AM

Oh, I guess he couldnt be able to take his body after all...
And as for the infant thing... I probably did know at one time, but I haven't actually read the series for a while. And if I didn't know... I wouldn't mind being spoiled.

blacklusterseph004

03-20-2007, 06:34 AM

Oro wins this. Teleporting behind Oro doesn't help because Oro can react faster than Voldemort can initiate an attack. I don't think Voldemort can control Manda. Maybe one of Oro's other snakes, but not manda. All the summons work on a blood contract with the ninja. They don't listen to anyone else.

The instant the fight starts, Oro will clone himself, and that will be the last time Voldemort ever sees the real Oro for the rest of the fight. Oro's proficiency and speed wielding Kusanagi from his mouth is too much for voldemort to even react to. The base ninja skill set already makes Oro a favourite to win this fight, no summons even required.

Graham Aker

03-20-2007, 06:49 AM

fact still remains that Lord Voldemort can mind read...
wizards like Voldemort, Dumbledore and Snape mind read their opponents in every battle...
anyway, Oro is fast, but eventually with mind reading and apparition, Voldemort will land an Avada...

blacklusterseph004

03-20-2007, 07:11 AM

^I doubt that. To fight as fast as Oro does, and to fight against the people Oro fights, you need to be able to think faster. The rate at which Oro would be forming and abandoning plans means what mind-reading ability Voldemort has will be mostly useless. He'd be left like someone watching a movie with the frame rate 10x faster. He wouldn't know what was going on, let alone what he'd have to do next. Besides which, when Oro acivates and continues to spam clones and substitutions, Voldemort's mind reading becomes truly useless.

Graham Aker

03-20-2007, 07:29 AM

hm, though Oro RARELY uses clones...in fact I dont think I've seen him use clones...or spam them(clones eat a lot of chakra)...spamming clones would be quite uncharacteristic for Oro..Voldemort on the other hand spams unforgivable curses like theres no tomorrow

he would also be able to mind read the substitution at the exact moment they happen and apparate away from Oro...

and I doubt Oro formulating and changing plans would have any effect on an experienced wizard like Voldemort...especially when from the start, Voldemort would suddenly apparate from Oro's behind and throw Avadas or Crucios...

coriander

03-20-2007, 08:15 AM

Oro's jutsus will be blocked by Voldemorts incantations. Voldy'll win. ^_^

Saosin

03-20-2007, 08:44 AM

Orochimaru. :noworry

Zarigani

03-20-2007, 08:50 AM

Voldemort is overrated. Orochimaru is a true genius.

Heartgobbler

03-20-2007, 08:58 AM

This has been done already.

Orochimaru

Graham Aker

03-20-2007, 09:07 AM

Voldemort is overrated.
with good reason...

Gaelek_13

03-20-2007, 09:28 AM

Grrblt

03-20-2007, 09:34 AM

Oro has a fetish for taking attacks head on to prove how great he is. He can't take Avada Kedavra and expect to live. Oro may be faster but Voldemort can teleport, assumingly even with a sword in his stomach.

Voldemort has another one up on Oro in that he can read his mind and disarm him from a distance.

Heartgobbler

03-20-2007, 10:11 AM

"Avada Kedavra, there's no blocking it, there's no dodging it. Only one person has ever survied this spell"

And you know what I don't think anyone else has avoided that spell and we've not seen a beam or a bolt or anything just a green flash (in the books, I'll never acknowledge the movies) so Orochimaru is fucking dead.

I believe it is a sort of energy blast. During the battle in the ministry hall, it was fired at Potter but one of the statues jumped in the way and got blasted instead.

Shinkirou

03-20-2007, 10:15 AM

Orochimaru wins this semi easily, I dont really see him getting hit by something that an average-below average (physically) teenager could evade. Even if Voldy can read minds, if his body cant react to the foreknowledge of what Oro's about to do its pretty much useless. Though if Voldy could land a kill shot its over, but thats a pretty big if.

I believe it is a sort of energy blast. During the battle in the ministry hall, it was fired at Potter but one of the statues jumped in the way and got blasted instead.

lol, cant be blocked my ass...

I'd like to see it try to get through a couple rashoumon gates.

Edit: Dear god, I just realized that a Naruto character actually won this. :amazed

gtw1983

03-20-2007, 10:25 AM

Even though Orochimaru may be stronger I think Voldemorts Immortality spell (Possession) is surperior to oro's.

Orochimaru can only take over a body every three years while voldemort Could probably body hop all day if he wanted to.

Don't forget that at the end of book 5 Harry got possesed In a mere instant because Voldy hid himself and struck when he least suspected it.I mean even Dumbledore lost his cool in that chapter.

So if voldemort starts to lose he could just run away untill he see's an opening and then possess orochimaru

While I'm on this subject I also noticed some more characters and things from the two worlds.

1- Harry= Naruto.Both are pure hearted,believe strongly in the power of friendship and love and have quick tempers.

2-Hermione=Sakura. Both extremely Intelligent,and extremely annoying in the early part of their respective series both having Fanboy Tendencies. Sakura Drools over Sasuke and Hermione Drools over Gildaroy Lockhart.Apair of know it alls.

3-Dumbledore= A combination of Sarutobi,Jiraiya,And kakashi.

Dumbledore is Headmaster which would kinda be like Hokage,making him the old fatherly figure like sarutobi. Yet dispite his age he acts goofy like a young person and is harry's top confident and pupil making him like jiraiya and Kakashi.

4-Snape= Kabuto?? A double agent whose true loyalties remain unclear.

5- Dumbledore's Army(D.A)= The rookie 9 plus Team Gai

A group of students that Join both Harry and Naruto in their quest to defeat Orochimaru and Voldemort.

5-Ginny Weasley=Hinata Hyuga

Both Have Crushes on the hero which leave them unable to behave normally while in their presence.Ginny finally got over that,Lets keep an eye on hinata.

Other Concepts

1-Dark Marks= Curse Marks. Death eaters have Marks as well as the sound nin

2-Purebloods= Genkai Kekai Bloodline limits.

a source of prejudice in the wizarding world,Purebloods are widely considered surperior to ordinary Wizards.Need I say more?

Sylar

03-20-2007, 04:18 PM

Voldemort CANNOT be killed unless the seven parts of his soul are destroyed. Oro has no time to go and get them. Once more Avada Kedavra kills Oro in an instant.

03-20-2007, 04:27 PM

Orochimaru destroy his wand, stick whatever amd what the hell will Voldemort be able to do?
If necessery Orochimaru takes Voldemorts body, like he took the blond once's.

Shinkirou

03-20-2007, 05:05 PM

Even if he didn't kill all the pieces of his soul, Voldy would be out of a body for 20+ years so I'd count that as a win. Seriously, if you make it to where your opponent is essentially dead for over 10 years I'd say that you'd be the winner.

blacklusterseph004

03-20-2007, 05:09 PM

hm, though Oro RARELY uses clones...in fact I dont think I've seen him use clones...or spam them(clones eat a lot of chakra)...spamming clones would be quite uncharacteristic for Oro..Voldemort on the other hand spams unforgivable curses like theres no tomorrowOro uses clones when he needs to. He used a clone to avoid the suicide jutsu Anko tried to kill him with. His ability to make clones and substitutions the instant before a fatal blow is ridiculous. Voldemort couldn't hit him with any spell even if he were right behind Oro. Oro's reaction speed is too fast.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Nightcrawler would ever land a blow on spiderman despite possessing the ability to teleport behind him in an instant.

Dante

03-20-2007, 05:12 PM

Well, there are several possible outcomes for this, but I'll give it to Orochimaru as physically he's meta human and Voldemort can't do much without a wand, look at Dumbledore no wand=dead wiz.

Oro could take out the wand and then Edo tensei Sandaime and Dumbledore to take out Voldemort

Avada Kadabra isn't an issue due Oro's speed etc...

Heartgobbler

03-20-2007, 05:30 PM

While I'm on this subject I also noticed some more characters and things from the two worlds.

1- Harry= Naruto.Both are pure hearted,believe strongly in the power of friendship and love and have quick tempers.

2-Hermione=Sakura. Both extremely Intelligent,and extremely annoying in the early part of their respective series both having Fanboy Tendencies. Sakura Drools over Sasuke and Hermione Drools over Gildaroy Lockhart.Apair of know it alls.

3-Dumbledore= A combination of Sarutobi,Jiraiya,And kakashi.

Dumbledore is Headmaster which would kinda be like Hokage,making him the old fatherly figure like sarutobi. Yet dispite his age he acts goofy like a young person and is harry's top confident and pupil making him like jiraiya and Kakashi.

4-Snape= Kabuto?? A double agent whose true loyalties remain unclear.

5- Dumbledore's Army(D.A)= The rookie 9 plus Team Gai

A group of students that Join both Harry and Naruto in their quest to defeat Orochimaru and Voldemort.

5-Ginny Weasley=Hinata Hyuga

Both Have Crushes on the hero which leave them unable to behave normally while in their presence.Ginny finally got over that,Lets keep an eye on hinata.

Other Concepts

1-Dark Marks= Curse Marks. Death eaters have Marks as well as the sound nin

2-Purebloods= Genkai Kekai Bloodline limits.

a source of prejudice in the wizarding world,Purebloods are widely considered surperior to ordinary Wizards.Need I say more?

The team of three is almost identical but I think you are wrong in giving the roles.

Hermione = Sakura. You are right with this one.

But Harry isn't Naruto. Ron is Naruto. He is rather goofy and funny at times but a great friend when it is needed.

Harry on the other hand, is full of angst (more with every tome)

He is an avenger.

Harry=Sasuke.

~Shin~

03-20-2007, 06:31 PM

Oro in a curbstomp

Comic Book Guy

03-20-2007, 08:09 PM

I don't see how Voldemort would catch Orochimaru with a spell from his wand.

Thanatos

03-20-2007, 08:45 PM

Well, assuming Voldemort ever got into the position to do so, I imagine that the 3rd unspeakable curse would work on him.

However, since Voldemort's chances of getting into said position are limited, I'd say Orochimaru takes this.

tank!

03-20-2007, 09:15 PM

Voldemort doesn't have the speed, however again a killing blow wouldn't destroy him because of the Horcruxes. Also he can teleport, but again Orochimaru's too damn fast, adn even if Voldemort got in an Avada most likely orochimaru wouldn't be using his actual body or it wouldn't fully kill him if it did. Also he can summon giant snakes too like orochi.

Although Voldemort can reflect 'magic'....which essentially counts as spirit energy..so if you say chakra=magic then voldemort could reflect some of Orochi's attacks. Otherwise its just a mess, but leaning in orochi's favour.

lordridley

03-20-2007, 10:21 PM

orochimaru dodges the avada kedavera, breaks the wand and slits voldamorts throat, or cuts voldamort in half, or bites voldamort in half, voldamort dies the end. afterwards orochimaru cuts off voldamorts head to use as a trophy.

Thanatos

03-20-2007, 10:28 PM

Although Voldemort can reflect 'magic'....which essentially counts as spirit energy..so if you say chakra=magic then voldemort could reflect some of Orochi's attacks. Otherwise its just a mess, but leaning in orochi's favour.

Chakra equals nothing else but chakra in the OB. Same thing goes for magic, ki, chi, reiatsu, the force, etc...

Gaelek_13

03-21-2007, 07:18 AM

Do you honestly think that Voldy is just going to go "Avada Kedavra...oh well, that didn't work...guess I'm beat."

And saying that the Killing Curse was blocked doesn't amount to much when it was Dumbledore who blocked it.

thegoodjae

03-21-2007, 04:33 PM

i dont think voldemort can say any spell fast neough before being slit in the thraot and his wand taken away. he cant say it fast enough, oro can jsut speed blitz him.

03-21-2007, 04:48 PM

If Lilly's love could protect an infant from Avada Kedavra, then I'm sure Kabuto's could do the same ...

Sylar

03-21-2007, 04:49 PM

Can't Voldemort mindrape people? It's been too long since I read the books. I remember a Forgetting spell, so Voldemort makes Oro forget who he is then AKs his snake butt.

03-21-2007, 04:52 PM

If Lilly's love could protect an infant from Avada Kedavra, then I'm sure Kabuto's could do the same ...

Ops, there might be some misunderstanding.

Shinkirou

03-21-2007, 05:02 PM

I wonder if Kimi died protecting Oro if it would give Oro a love shield.

Kaiox

03-21-2007, 05:35 PM

If Dumbledore, and old man, had the reaction time to respond to Voldemort's spells, then Orochimaru definately has the time to react.

Personally, I just think they are just incarnations of the same thing in different universes. Snake fetish? Pale skin? Immorality obsession? HULLO!!

~Shin~

03-21-2007, 06:29 PM

Can't Voldemort mindrape people? It's been too long since I read the books. I remember a Forgetting spell, so Voldemort makes Oro forget who he is then AKs his snake butt.

I don't think so. And even if he could, he probably has to say a spell first. Which oro won't really give him time to

thegoodjae

03-22-2007, 12:47 AM

you pretty much have to be an anti narutard to think oro loses.

Shadow Replication 1480

03-22-2007, 10:46 PM

Well, there are several possible outcomes for this, but I'll give it to Orochimaru as physically he's meta human and Voldemort can't do much without a wand, look at Dumbledore no wand=dead wiz.
There were a few more factors leading to Dumbledore's death than simply Draco disarming him. He was severely weakened from drinking that potion from the cave and had been already dealing with the curse that was on the ring Horocrux.

I don't think so. And even if he could, he probably has to say a spell first. Which oro won't really give him time to
Voldermort's a master of nonverbal spells like Snape is, read the fight between he and Dumbledore from Book 5. He didn't bother using nonverbal spells against Harry because he was overconfident as hell and wanted Harry to suffer before killing him til the Prioi Incantem(sp?) caught him by surprise.

As for the fight itself, I can definitely see Oro taking a majority, but Voldermort could surprise him and steal a few.

Oddly enough, if you matched up their allies/subordinates, Voldy would win because the ninjas have nothing that could realistically stop the Dementors from Kissing them and sucking up all of their souls. Hell, with Dementors/giants/werewolves(infiltrate a village close to the time of the full moon and infect as many people as possible after transforming like Greyback likes to do), Voldermort could realistically take down any village in the Narutoverse.

thegoodjae

03-23-2007, 03:03 AM

^i dont think dumbledore died. i mean when you AK someone, they just fall to the floor. dumbledore though, flew to the wall and slumped. he musta resisted it or snape was fooling the DE and is still on dumbledores side

Sylar

03-23-2007, 04:30 PM

Dude they buried him. Rowling confirmed that Dumbledore was dead and isn't coming back to life.

12KB

04-18-2007, 02:46 AM

How can anyone honestly think that Voldemort would win? From what I've seen, there are four main points people are brining up in favour of Voldemorts victory: Avada Kadavra, Apparition, Parseltongue and Legilimency.

1(avada kadavra):Orochimaru could easily dodge this curse, or block it with a shuriken. It must travel slow enough for Dumbledore to have had enough time to summon a piece of debris to block it in the enclosed space of the Atrium. Some folk say he could sneak up and cast it silently, but Voldemort is never seen doing so. It appears to be a feat to cast the curse properly at all.

2(apparition): Ninjas have displayed the ability to detect a presence or attack before the person reveals themselves or the attack comes into view. This is characterised by a large exclamation mark. Taking into account the fact that Voldemort can't cast the killing curse silently, Orochimaru is in no immediate danger.

3(parseltongue): Parseltongue only grants the speaker the ability to talk to snakes, not control them. The ability to control snakes seems to be a mixture of a wizards will power, and the fact that snakes are lesser creatures. Besides, even though Orochimaru is technically Manda's master, Manda threatens to kill him when he loses.

4(legilimency: Even with legilimency, you cannot read minds, only examine memories. Voldemort cannot tell what move Orochimaru is going to pull next. The only way he would know is if Orochimaru wrote out a battle plan before the fight started. And that seems pretty unlikely.

Kokain

05-28-2007, 04:18 AM

Kimimaro

05-28-2007, 04:29 AM

Thread's been done before. I think Oro won.

Kokain

05-28-2007, 04:31 AM

Oops...yeah, probably should merge.

Maybe to even the odds a little we could say that cause Voldemort is a legilimens, he can predict Orochimaru's movements to some extent, like Spidey-sense.

Graham Aker

05-28-2007, 05:27 AM

Voldemort possesses Orochimaru and drives him to madness...

HK-47

05-28-2007, 06:00 AM

Voldemort with one crack of Avada Kedavra

Red

05-28-2007, 08:09 AM

Voldemort with one crack of Avada Kedavra

Thread over.

raibbhani

05-28-2007, 08:33 AM

lol Firebolt.

Voldemort win. He can simply apparate at the back of Oro and AVADA KEDAVRA!! Firebolt could prove useful in some situation.......

masamune1

05-28-2007, 08:33 AM

Lord Voldemort vs Orochimaru

Voldemort starts on a Firebolt and can apparate around with it if needed. Orochimaru can use anything he's shown in the manga, BUT if Oro summons Manda, then Voldemort summons (with a portkey or something) the basilisk :nuts

Who wins?

Manda is several times larger than the Basilisk. It won't make one bit of difference, and is probably too small for manda to even see it's eyes.

And for everyone else, Oro is too fast for Avada Kedavra. Beside's, all he has to do is use Death Forseeing Technique, showing Voldemort an image of his own horrible death. Since dying is the Dark Lord's greatest fear, it may affect him even worse than it did Sakura and Sasuke.

Orochimaru wins with ease (assuming Hocruxes are'nt in play, in which case he wins in time).

Kimimaro

05-28-2007, 09:59 AM

Voldemort with one crack of Avada Kedavra

Oro is much faster than regular humans or wizards from HPverse. What makes you think Oro would just stand there as Voldemort yells "Avada Kedavra"? Oro could probably hit Voldemort before he finishes the incantation.

narutofangd

05-28-2007, 12:10 PM

Oro is much faster than regular humans or wizards from HPverse. What makes you think Oro would just stand there as Voldemort yells "Avada Kedavra"? Oro could probably hit Voldemort before he finishes the incantation.

Volderrmort Doesn't need to say the incantation

Graham Aker

05-28-2007, 12:16 PM

And for everyone else, Oro is too fast for Avada Kedavra. Beside's, all he has to do is use Death Forseeing Technique, showing Voldemort an image of his own horrible death. Since dying is the Dark Lord's greatest fear, it may affect him even worse than it did Sakura and Sasuke.

Orochimaru knows not what the Dark Lord's greatest fear is...

05-28-2007, 12:21 PM

Orochimaru take over his body and call it a day.

masamune1

05-28-2007, 12:22 PM

Orochimaru knows not what the Dark Lord's greatest fear is...

He does'nt need to. Death Forseeing is simply one of his attacks. He'll win with it by dumb luck.

shadowlords

05-28-2007, 01:36 PM

he-who-must-not-be-named has dementors! dementors > orochimaru

Graham Aker

05-28-2007, 02:01 PM

He does'nt need to. Death Forseeing is simply one of his attacks. He'll win with it by dumb luck.
Occlumency, such mind tricks will not work. besides, I dont think Voldemort would be so dumb as to fear a mere illusion...

Dio Brando

05-28-2007, 04:40 PM

Oro wins because he is actually a decent villain.

thegoodjae

05-28-2007, 05:04 PM

Orochimaru wins. He is way to fast to be hit by AK as well as him just having to speed blitz Voldy. This is ridiculously stupid. Voldy still has human abilities, and an average goilie would have better reaction time as well as combat speed and everything. I swear if they ever fought that Oro can speedblitz him. Also, Orochimaru can make bushins. Basilisk is weak compared to manda, which is at least 50 times bigger. Orochimaru did not even take one scale of Manda.

DarkRaven7789

05-28-2007, 05:05 PM

You forget about plot no jutsu.To make the fight good,Whats-his-name doesnt use avada wada something.They make it an all out brawl.(Orochimaru is techinacally a ninja)So he pwns Voldy-whos-A-what

thegoodjae

05-28-2007, 05:08 PM

No, we all forgot Orochimaru is fast enough to just blitz the hell out this guy before he even realises what is happening.

Sylar

05-28-2007, 05:09 PM

Voldemort can teleport, possess Oro, kill him a single spell, CANNOT die, etc.

If the Basilisk looks Oro in the eyes he dies and since he doesn't know not to he probably will.

Seriously what the hell is Oro going to do since he cannot kill Voldemort. Its not fanboyishness its fact. Voldemort. Can't. Die. as long he has horcruxes and Oro has no idea what/where/who they are.

UnholyTrinity

05-28-2007, 05:11 PM

No way, Voldy has more tricks up his sleeve than you can imagine. The only way Oro could possibly defeat Voldy is if he stole his wand, and even then, Voldy would forsee that with his Legilimency, unless Oro was a good Occlumens, and we can't know that.

Result: Voldy wins.

Plus he has the Horcruxes, so there is no way to kill him unless Oro (or Harry) destroys them.

thegoodjae

05-28-2007, 05:46 PM

Okay, if you want to go fallacy mode, then why not just say Orochimaru makes a bunch of bushins and goes for the horcruxes. So basically now we ARE in the harry potter world and Oro HAS to find all 8 of them. Stop the retardness. This fight should not consist of Oro having to go all around HPverse and finding all the horcruxes. Oro can be possessed, WITH A SPELL. What the hell are you guys thinking? Do you really think Oro can be hit by spells that some wizards with normal human reaciton time can react to?

Red

05-28-2007, 06:44 PM

Okay, if you want to go fallacy mode, then why not just say Orochimaru makes a bunch of bushins and goes for the horcruxes.Lol does he know about it? from the OP's statment I dont think he mentioned prep time.What the hell are you guys thinking? Do you really think Oro can be hit by spells that some wizards with normal human reaciton time can react to?Voldy has precog, can reed minds why cant he just fire off an avada kadvra in the place oro will be? lols.

and speed, oro cant do shit if he legs cant touch the ground, Wingardium levoisa is an invisible(I.e no flashy lights) charm that would make oro an easy target by levitating him or how bout slowing him down with Arresto Momentum then firing him with a killing curse? reducto is an invisible sell (i.e no shooting sparks) that can turn oro into his smallest component pieces.

coupled with the fact that he can not be killed and by the fact that he can summon the basilisks (insta kill) and the fact that oro doesnt have prep time then voldy takes this one.

thegoodjae

05-28-2007, 06:52 PM

Are you fricking serious. So basically now you are saying even if Orochimaru kills the Voldy fighting, he will never know of horcruxes and will die of old age? Get out of battledome.

And Oro IS going to stand still this whole fight right? Heck no, Orochimaru with Kusanagi is just too fast, he has even caught the 3rd off gaurd BEFORE the 3rd could even react, what the hell makes you think Voldy can react to Orochimaru? This is a joke.

~Shin~

05-28-2007, 06:59 PM

Voldy has precog, can reed minds why cant he just fire off an avada kadvra in the place oro will be? lols.

Same principle that applies to the sharingan. Even if Voldemort can read his mind, he would still need to be physically capable of reacting to him.

and speed, oro cant do shit if he legs cant touch the ground, Wingardium levoisa is an invisible(I.e no flashy lights) charm that would make oro an easy target by levitating him or how bout slowing him down with Arresto Momentum then firing him with a killing curse? reducto is an invisible sell (i.e no shooting sparks) that can turn oro into his smallest component pieces.

See above argument. The amount of time it would require Voldemort to even move his hand and cast the spell would be more than enough for Oro to cut his head off with the Kusanagi.

coupled with the fact that he can not be killed and by the fact that he can summon the basilisks (insta kill) and the fact that oro doesnt have prep time then voldy takes this one.

He wouldn't get anywhere near enough time to summon the Basilisk. As for the horcrux matter, I would expect that the OP didn't mean to use it since it would be a pointless battle.

thegoodjae

05-28-2007, 07:01 PM

Thank you Shin for realising Voldemort is too fricken slow and Horcruxes only exist in the HPverse, and should not be considered extra lives incase they are fighitng in the HPverse.

~Shin~

05-28-2007, 07:04 PM

I'm really surprised that this many people think that Voldemort has a chance to beat Orochimaru. HPverse are normal humans without their wands and spells. Their speed, durability, reaction, and physical strength are no different than a normal human.

Kokain

05-28-2007, 07:06 PM

Yeah, when I started this I wasn't thinking about Horcruxes. If Oro can reduce Voldy to a bodiless state where Voldemort can't come back for another decade and a half, Oro wins.

The HPverse does have some seemingly instantaneous spells though. I know they can wandlessly conjure ropes in midair to tie people up.

Also, there's a shitload of things Voldemort can do besides directly attacking Orochimaru. He can transfigure rocks into animals...if that chuunin level Cedric Diggory can turn a rock into a dog, Voldemort can probably create a few small dragons. And in HP book 1 Dumbledore apparently turned himself invisible without an invisibility cloak.

And remember Voldemort starts off zooming around on a broomstick, so that might make things a little more difficult for Orochimaru.

thegoodjae

05-28-2007, 07:10 PM

Before he can do any of the stuff you listed though, Orochimaru can win this.

Fact:Voldemort can not react to any of Orochimaru's attacks and will die peacefully with his head chopped off before he even realised.

Voldemort is highly overrated as well as Narutoverse being underrated.

Red

05-28-2007, 07:24 PM

Same principle that applies to the sharingan. Even if Voldemort can read his mind, he would still need to be physically capable of reacting to him. Lol it seems you forgot what disapparation is, no fancy wand shaking or nonsense like that, it's pop ur there pop your somewhere else. oro wont be able to land a decent blow.

See above argument. The amount of time it would require Voldemort to even move his hand and cast the spell would be more than enough for Oro to cut his head off with the Kusanagi. you seem to assume oro knows a single gesture can immobilize him. there is no prep time so oro doesn't know a simple flick of a wrist can stop him from moving. and about the kusangi thing see my above explanation with the disappartion technique.

He wouldn't get anywhere near enough time to summon the Basilisk. As for the horcrux matter, I would expect that the OP didn't mean to use it since it would be a pointless battle. Lol wut? in the book all voldy had to do was call him out in parsel tongue. as opposed to oro using handseals.

Pre-cog with instant teleportation and an arsenal of spells (which he can do without incantations and flashy lights) would be enough for oro

Lol at thegoodjae fanboyism at the worst.

thegoodjae

05-28-2007, 07:29 PM

Me at my fanboyism. I got all the books for HP and I am waiting for the 7th. It is just a simple fact that Voldemort does not have the reaction time. There are a few thoughts Voldemort has to think before disapparation.

1.(With Pre Cog) He is coming to chop off my head
2.I should Disapparate
3.Where to? Behind him.
4.OKAY NOW!

Halfway through the first thought he would die.

~Shin~

05-28-2007, 07:30 PM

Lol it seems you forgot what disapparation is, no fancy wand shaking or nonsense like that, it's pop ur there pop your somewhere else. oro wont be able to land a decent blow.

It still requires reaction. Voldemort can only use dispparation effectively if he's capable of reacting to Oro attacking him at high speeds.

you seem to assume oro knows a single gesture can immobilize him. there is no prep time so oro doesn't know a simple flick of a wrist can stop him from moving. and about the kusangi thing see my above explanation with the disappartion technique.

Well this is a battle is it not? Since it is, I don't see what's stopping Oro from just slicing his head off with the Kusanagi. Not to mention that Oro can kill him before his "simple flick of a wrist". See my above argument about disapparation.

Lol wut? in the book all voldy had to do was call him out in parsel tongue. as opposed to oro using handseals.

Pre-cog with instant teleportation and an arsenal of spells (which he can do without incantations and flashy lights) would be enough for oro

Instant teleporation still requires time for Voldemort to actually think of his location and the attack. The amount of time it requires Voldemort do all this "thinking" his head will be on the floor.

Lol at thegoodjae fanboyism at the worst.

I don't think you should be calling anyone a fanboy considering your prior activity in the OB.

Red

05-28-2007, 07:46 PM

It still requires reaction. Voldemort can only use dispparation effectively if he's capable of reacting to Oro attacking him at high speeds. oro is not as fast as thought so voldy's reaction time pertaining dissaparating is not an issue. he doesnt have to do anything except think to be there.

Well this is a battle is it not? Since it is, I don't see what's stopping Oro from just slicing his head off with the Kusanagi. Not to mention that Oro can kill him before his "simple flick of a wrist". See my above argument about disapparation. because voldy would know and simply disaparate away from the attack? you just cant seem to understand that dissaparating requires only a thought. nothing more.

Instant teleporation still requires time for Voldemort to actually think of his location and the attack. The amount of time it requires Voldemort do all this "thinking" his head will be on the floor. I can under stand if it takes you a couple minutes to think of a destination thats a couple meters away from you but the same doesnt apply to voldy, If you read book 5 you'd know that at the final battle voldy showed remarkable reaction time and also how dissaparaion can be instant. Keep in mind he doesnt have to physically react only think.

I don't think you should be calling anyone a fanboy considering your prior activity in the OB.Lol wut actvity? I have no affiliation with any anime right now so your just speaking rubbish.

thegoodjae

05-28-2007, 07:50 PM

1.(With Pre Cog) He is coming to chop off my head
2.How should I dodge that?
3.I should disapparate.
4.Where to?
5.Behind him.
6.OKAY NOW!

Halfway through the first thought he would die.

SIx thoughts. Get it straight. He would die before he completed the first one.

Six thoughts to think about all before Oro slices him.

Red

05-28-2007, 07:52 PM

Okay I give up, pouring water on a stone wont make it any softer.

~Shin~

05-28-2007, 07:57 PM

oro is not as fast as thought so voldy's reaction time pertaining dissaparating is not an issue. he doesnt have to do anything except think to be there.

It's not the thought that's slow. It's the amount of time it takes the brain to process Oro's speed which would be nigh impossible for Voldemort.

because voldy would know and simply disaparate away from the attack? you just cant seem to understand that dissaparating requires only a thought. nothing more.

You don't seem to understand that he would still need to react to Oro coming at such high speeds. As I said before same principles as the sharingan.

I can under stand if it takes you a couple minutes to think of a destination thats a couple meters away from you but the same doesnt apply to voldy, If you read book 5 you'd know that at the final battle voldy showed remarkable reaction time and also how dissaparaion can be instant. Keep in mind he doesnt have to physically react only think.

I read the book and there's nothing that shows that Voldemort has insane reaction time. I hope you understand that you can't gauge reaction time through a book since it's all from perspective of one character and it's not visual. Actually he does have to react since he would need to see Oro coming straight at him for him to disapparate.

Lol wut actvity? I have no affiliation with any anime right now so your just speaking rubbish.

Well I remember one time where you argued that some Naruto character could beat a Bleach captain.

Akatora

05-28-2007, 10:32 PM

Could go either way depending on the suroundings.

Voldemort in the Description of book 4 combined with my Imagination was cool looking, Voldemort in the movies...:oh ...Lame

Oro in Kazekage outfit looked cool, in his usual he looks stupid.

I supose i'd vote for Oro corse of his speed.

Site note: I've seen a couple of Vs Lord Voldemort threads, but why does everyone making those threads Call him Lord when people such as Aizen & Orochimaru dosn't have the Sama after em???

Aokiji

05-28-2007, 11:21 PM

Manda is several times larger than the Basilisk. It won't make one bit of difference, and is probably too small for manda to even see it's eyes.

And for everyone else, Oro is too fast for Avada Kedavra. Beside's, all he has to do is use Death Forseeing Technique, showing Voldemort an image of his own horrible death. Since dying is the Dark Lord's greatest fear, it may affect him even worse than it did Sakura and Sasuke.

Orochimaru wins with ease (assuming Hocruxes are'nt in play, in which case he wins in time).

:rotfl win.

BlademasterXIII

07-18-2007, 11:52 AM

If Orichimaru found and destroyed all his Horcruxes first and uses his techinque to steal Uchiha Sasukes body he could make killing lord moldyshorts childs play.:amuse

thegoodjae

07-19-2007, 03:28 AM

orchimaru should be fast enough to where he can react to Voldemort's swing of the wand. I think Orochimaru in a major speedblitz.

Are we actually going to use horcruxes? Thats pretty stupid. That means Oro would just go around on Manda just destroying everything. What a waste of time.

lucky

07-19-2007, 04:16 AM

oro has kawarimi!!! kawarimi is like... deus ex machina in "Naruto." Everytime something 'hits', it always turns out to be a freakin' log!!!

Red

07-22-2007, 04:35 AM

Both are at their prime, horcruxes don't matter. No summons seeing as voldies basilisks is insta Pwn.

Who wins.

I think oro in a rape stomp.

TWF

07-22-2007, 04:39 AM

If Orochimaru is fast enough not to be killed by that "instant death" chant or whatever of Voldy's, yes Orochimaru rapes.

The Nameless Pharaoh

07-22-2007, 05:24 AM

Avada Kedavra!

Voldemort wins.

The Anti-Existence

07-22-2007, 05:44 AM

TWF

07-22-2007, 05:44 AM

From what i saw in the anime, Orochimaru appeared to be able to kinda..melt into other surfaces. Can he do this anywhere or any time?

'cause all he'd have to do is sink into the ground and Voldie couldn't do crap to him.

Then he could pop up somewhere else and nail him with some sort of attack.

I dunno what genjutsu would do Voldie considering his mental defense abilities.

Orochimaru's Blood-Lust would freeze Voldie in his place. The guy has killed thousands of people for fun and maimed/expiremented on countless others. Orochimaru's thirst for killing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> petrified Voldie.

PradaBrada

07-22-2007, 06:12 AM

Oro wins

Graham Aker

07-22-2007, 07:14 AM

Voldemort Apparates, flies, creates magical shields for himself, and kills Orochimaru.

Magic >>> Kunai

and this has been done before, with Orochimaru, ignorantly, decided as the winner...

Red

07-22-2007, 07:59 AM

Orochimaru's Blood-Lust would freeze Voldie in his place. The guy has killed thousands of people for fun and maimed/expiremented on countless others. Orochimaru's thirst for killing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> petrified Voldie.

Are you saying voldy hasn't killed more people for fun? I can honestly say his followers are more blood thirsty than oro. Hell oro petrification is not full proof, a 12 year old sasuke was able to escape from it, what makes you think voldy who is skilled with occumency or whatchamacallit wouldn't shrugg it off?

speed? oro hasn't shown any speed feats worth taking note of, anything you say is speculation about.

Voldy has disappearing and reappearing under his hat, along side precog makes him untouchable. and what attack would oro use that voldy can't nullify? Oro spits fir, voldy liquifies it, oro throws kusangi, voldy blocks it with protego or he can deflect it with a levitating charm.

On the other hand voldy has a number of spells he can use to kill oro, from avada to reducto.

AT lord of the abyss I know but I just wathed the order of the phenoix and apart from the ending fight being ulter awesome it really put v9old's speed to perspective.

KLoWn

07-22-2007, 08:33 AM

Oro takes this.

Graham Aker

07-22-2007, 09:02 AM

Oro aint penetrating magical shields...

Kimimaro

07-22-2007, 09:12 AM

Orochimaru wins.

The Nameless Pharaoh

07-22-2007, 10:17 AM

So far, everyone who said Oro wins didn't give a reason.

Honestly Oro stands no chance. Voldemort can: Teleport, Fly, Cast countless spells and curses, Shields etc.

Superrazien

07-22-2007, 10:24 AM

No spells would hit Orochimaru, he is way to quick with his substitution jutsus. Orochimaru wins this, he will cut Voldemorts head off with his sword, or just use Genjutsu.

The Nameless Pharaoh

07-22-2007, 10:27 AM

^ No, Voldemort will teleport behind him and kill him with an Avada Kedavra.

Superrazien

07-22-2007, 10:37 AM

^ No, Voldemort will teleport behind him and kill him with an Avada Kedavra.

Um no, Orochimaru will do a substitution jutsu. Plus if Voldemort could just do that then how come he never killed Harry all the times they fought? Why didn't he do it to Dumbledoor?

Graham Aker

07-22-2007, 11:05 AM

Um no, Orochimaru will do a substitution jutsu. Plus if Voldemort could just do that then how come he never killed Harry all the times they fought? Why didn't he do it to Dumbledoor?
because Dumbledore is, obviously, more powerful than him...
and Harry has a special type of magic protecting him... that Voldemort does not understand and that he underestimates...

and heh, Voldemort could also just cast Fiendfyre while flying, it'll be like fighting KN4 again, only this time, Oro wont be able to do a thing...

TWF

07-22-2007, 01:05 PM

Voldy has disappearing and reappearing under his hat, along side precog makes him untouchable. and what attack would oro use that voldy can't nullify? .

I' lol'd at this part. Pre-Cognition my ass.

Shuntensatsu

07-22-2007, 02:53 PM

Orochimaru speed blitzes him, cuts his head off with his Kusanagi before Voldemort has enough time to say any of his spells.

This is like the 5th time this thread has been made, Orochimaru has raped him everytime.

Gunners

07-22-2007, 02:53 PM

Voldemort would win. First step he would create a magical barrier or use a Dissulion charm to make himself invisible.

He could burn Orochimaru to death with the curse Crabbe used, or he could Avada Kedava him whilst invisible.

Jose

07-22-2007, 02:55 PM

Orochimaru would fuck voldie up with his own wand man

Graham Aker

07-22-2007, 02:59 PM

Orochimaru speed blitzes him, cuts his head off with his Kusanagi before Voldemort has enough time to say any of his spells.
he doesnt need to say any spells...

Voldemort could just fly up or Apparate to the air to avoid getting blitz, and summon Fiendfyre's

The Anti-Existence

07-22-2007, 03:01 PM

Oro could probably snatch the wand from Voldemort with his tongue before Voldie could do anything.

Wuzzman

07-22-2007, 03:26 PM

Orochimaru is faster and creepier.......oro wins easy.

masamune1

07-22-2007, 04:24 PM

Orochimaru has the Death Forseeing technique, a powerful Genjutsu that shows the victim an image of their own, horrible death. While Sasuke and Sakura managed to escape from it as Genin (with difficulty), Voldemort's fear of an "ignomius death" is pure phobia, and he would certainly be paralysed with dread long enough for Oro- who is much faster, and has more killing moves- to kill him.

TWF

07-22-2007, 04:47 PM

Orochimaru has resisted having his soul completely sundered from his body by the God of Death. That shits on anything Voldemort can do.

HK-47

07-22-2007, 05:07 PM

AVADA KEDAVRA
Topic over.

UchihaJonin

07-22-2007, 05:10 PM

they both died because of little boys so they both suck

Red

07-22-2007, 09:03 PM

No spells would hit Orochimaru, he is way to quick with his substitution jutsus. Orochimaru wins this, he will cut Voldemorts head off with his sword, or just use Genjutsu.
that where pre cog and mind reading comes into play. Genjustsu doesn't work outside the naruto verse and voldy can block kusangi.

Oro has a chakra limit so he cant pull off jutsus endlessly, voldy can cast all the spells he has, from the speed reducing charm to the avad kadvra without limits.

Oh God this is turning out to be like the other thread, oh wait.

~Shin~

07-22-2007, 09:06 PM

Didn't we already have this debate? And I already explained this to you about the whole pre-cog and appartion didn't I, Red?

Red

07-22-2007, 11:39 PM

Didn't we already have this debate? And I already explained this to you about the whole pre-cog and appartion didn't I, Red?Explain? you just kept repeating your idea and expected me to nod wih you.

Oro is not faster than thought so please drop that.

Superrazien

07-22-2007, 11:40 PM

that where pre cog and mind reading comes into play. Genjustsu doesn't work outside the naruto verse and voldy can block kusangi.

Oro has a chakra limit so he cant pull off jutsus endlessly, voldy can cast all the spells he has, from the speed reducing charm to the avad kadvra without limits.

Oh God this is turning out to be like the other thread, oh wait.

If Genjutsu wont work on Voldemort then why should magic work on Orochimaru? But what ever he doesn't need it, if worst came to worst Orochimaru would just take over his body, and since Voldemort is an Uchiha with sick Genjutsus he is screwed. Voldemort won't block Orochimaru's sword, and if he does it wont be for long.

Red

07-22-2007, 11:48 PM

If Genjutsu wont work on Voldemort then why should magic work on Orochimaru? But what ever he doesn't need it, if worst came to worst Orochimaru would just take over his body, and since Voldemort is an Uchiha with sick Genjutsus he is screwed. Voldemort won't block Orochimaru's sword, and if he does it wont be for long.
Genjutsus don't work on voldemort because one needs to manipulate the victims chakra system to produce the illusions, since voldermort doesn't have chakra, the move won't work on him. Give me a reason why you say magic can't work on voldy?

Voldy wont block oro's sword? how bout reducing it to a bunch of it's base components by using the reducto spell? If an uchiha can resists oro's body switching attack why not voldermort who is the master of mind rape?

I' lol'd at this part. Pre-Cognition my ass. You lol at anything so it doesn't surprise me.

Snape (and presumably Voldemort and Dumbledore) seem to be able to obtain information from their opponents so fast that they can anticipate what spells they are about to cast. This is seen quite impressively in the sixth book, when he blocks every single spell before Harry can finish it. It seems, though, that a duel against such powerful Legilimentes can only be successful through an equally proficient use of Occlumency.

Seeing as oro has to call out the jutsu names and preform hand seals then it becomes immensely easier for voldy to counter.

~Shin~

07-23-2007, 12:06 AM

Explain? you just kept repeating your idea and expected me to nod wih you.

Oro is not faster than thought so please drop that.

That's the most absurd reasoning I have heard. Indeed, Oro is not faster than thought but I don't see what relevance that has here. Tell me Red if I had all of Voldemort's powers, does that mean my "thoughts" are so fast that they are capable of defeating an opponent like Luffy or even Ichigo? I said this a countless times that even though the thought process is indeed fast but during battle, reaction time is what constitutes the winner. Just because he can think to do something in less than a nanosecond, it still takes him at least a second to execute the attack. I can "think" to avoid Luffy but does that mean I can actually avoid him? No because even though I'm capable of thinking that said thought, I'm not capable of registering the stimulus in my brain fast enough to actually react to that said stimulus.

Red

07-23-2007, 12:31 AM

That's the most absurd reasoning I have heard. Indeed, Oro is not faster than thought but I don't see what relevance that has here. Tell me Red if I had all of Voldemort's powers, does that mean my "thoughts" are so fast that they are capable of defeating an opponent like Luffy or even Ichigo? I said this a countless times that even though the thought process is indeed fast but during battle, reaction time is what constitutes the winner. Just because he can think to do something in less than a nanosecond, it still takes him at least a second to execute the attack. I can "think" to avoid Luffy but does that mean I can actually avoid him? No because even though I'm capable of thinking that said thought, I'm not capable of registering the stimulus in my brain fast enough to actually react to that said stimulus.
You don't seem to want to understand.

voldy can disappear in the time it takes for him to think it, that is the essence of disaparating. Reaction time is not needed or as important as you make it out to be when it comes down to it. And since disappearing and thought are the same thing in this case it all comes down to how fast the brain registers the situation and that is faster than it takes oro to make an attack or form a jutsu. I hope your following my line of thought.

a side note the time it takes a brain to register and formulate a coherent command =/= reaction time as you're portraying it to be.

and your introduction of luffy and and ichigo is entirely unneeded, because oro can't move as fast as them and they are not present in this fight.

Superrazien

07-23-2007, 02:06 AM

Genjutsus don't work on voldemort because one needs to manipulate the victims chakra system to produce the illusions, since voldermort doesn't have chakra, the move won't work on him. Give me a reason why you say magic can't work on voldy?

Voldy wont block oro's sword? how bout reducing it to a bunch of it's base components by using the reducto spell? If an uchiha can resists oro's body switching attack why not voldermort who is the master of mind rape?

Chakra system, chakra is pretty much the same thing as Chi, which everyone has, therefore shouldn't everyone have some kind of chakra system? Chakra is just energy. I'm not saying magic wouldn't work on Orochimaru just a comparison. Yeah ok, Voldemort will destroy Orochimarus sword, now is this after he is dead? Cause that would be the only way he could do it, his head would probably be off before he could do the spell, and he has to hit him with it anyways. You forget simple things like the Clone and Transformation Jutsus would provide for good detractions. But lets say he does destroy Orochimarus sword, during that time it took him to do that Orochimaru would probably have done a Jutsu to him by then.

Ok Sasuke and Itachi are the only ones to resist Orochimaru. Itachi did well because he is Itachi and he would also rapestomp Voldy. Sasuke managed to do it because Orochimaru was weakend and he has aid of the Sharingan which can see through Genjutsu which is what was used. Voldemort may be a good mind raper but I fail to see what he could do to Orochimaru to make him stop, no memories he brings up will effect Oro, he is sick and twisted in ways Voldemort wishes he could be.

~Shin~

07-23-2007, 09:27 AM

You don't seem to want to understand.

voldy can disappear in the time it takes for him to think it, that is the essence of disaparating. Reaction time is not needed or as important as you make it out to be when it comes down to it. And since disappearing and thought are the same thing in this case it all comes down to how fast the brain registers the situation and that is faster than it takes oro to make an attack or form a jutsu. I hope your following my line of thought.

a side note the time it takes a brain to register and formulate a coherent command =/= reaction time as you're portraying it to be.

and your introduction of luffy and and ichigo is entirely unneeded, because oro can't move as fast as them and they are not present in this fight.

Let me ask you a question, why would Voldemort disapparate for no reason? He would have no reason to unless Oro does a frontal attack of some sort. That's the reaction I'm referring to. If the brain can't register the stimulus fast enough, he won't have time to "think" the thought of disapparating.

What do you think reaction time is? It's basically how fast the brain can register and respond to a stimulus.

It was a comparison to show the speed difference. And if I'm not mistaken aren't you the one who's claiming that a genin in Naruto is capable of speeds above sound? Double Standard eh?

The Anti-Existence

07-23-2007, 09:56 AM

Dissaperating (sp?) is not simply thinking to disappear. It is thinking of disappearing and the destination you're going to, then TURNING TO THE SIDE. So it's not like "I think I go poof." It's like "I think i go poof, then spin around and I go poof."

Graham Aker

07-23-2007, 10:08 AM

disapparition/apparition used in-battle

"Voldemort raised his wand sent another jet of green light at Dumbledore, who turned and was gone in the whirling of his cloak; next second he had reappeared behind Voldemort"

"and the one-armed Centaur galloped at Voldemort, who vanished and reappeared beside the pool."

their spells are likely faster than Bludgers use in Quidditch, who travel at speeds faster than 100 mph.

Superrazien

07-23-2007, 12:26 PM

their spells are likely faster than Bludgers use in Quidditch, who travel at speeds faster than 100 mph.

Kakashi supposedly cut through lightning. Kakashi is about equal or faster than Lee. Orochimaru > Kakashi.

Iris

07-23-2007, 12:30 PM

Battle starts, this happens:

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4473/n29702tg1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/4551/n29703ox1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Voldermort dies, gg.

Graham Aker

07-23-2007, 01:17 PM

hm, an extremely exhausted Dumbledore managed to Petrify Harry in the time it takes Draco to cast an Expelliarmus spell. Voldemort >>> extremely exhausted Dumbledore.
so, Voldemort could possibly block such an attack^.

Limit_Tester

07-23-2007, 02:42 PM

NOt to be too much of a gigantic wet blanket but only a few people seem to grasp that the reaction time and killing curse and all that other stuff is not going to be the major point that will decide the fight. The major point that is going to decide this fight is the utility of the spell selection that Voldemort has at his disposal. There are dozens of spells that have effects that aren't rational, that work in odd manners moving at odd angles and the primary point that a "magical education" impresses on you is that it is the diversity of spells that can counter-jinx or counter-curse the damage done by some of the more esoteric powers.

As has already been pointed out, without the patronus charm it is nearly impossible to fight dementors. Boggerts require the use of a Rikikulous Charm and the abilty to even bypass many of the defensive spells requires certain knowledges.

For example. A shield charm, a more advanced shield incantation, complete invisibilty by disillusionment, Teleportation, flight, and repelling wards and incantations make it nearly impossible for Orochimaru to broach direct combat, and what is worse, there is nothing that can stop all these things from coming to pass.

Combine this with the nature of something as simple as a summoning charm and you have a lethal combination. Accio Orochimaru, would summon, requiring no line of sight or even vision of Orochimaru forcefully to the caster, where he could be petrified or killed at leisure.

Magic is horribly specific in Hary Potter and that combined with its versatility and range and power is hard to counter. The only reason why wizards duel each other with the spells they do is because its impossible to use other methods as a wizard has the counterspells.

The Nameless Pharaoh

07-23-2007, 03:03 PM

Red

07-23-2007, 07:19 PM

Let me ask you a question, why would Voldemort disapparate for no reason? He would have no reason to unless Oro does a frontal attack of some sort. That's the reaction I'm referring to. If the brain can't register the stimulus fast enough, he won't have time to "think" the thought of disapparating. There in lies the problem, oro is not faster than thought.

What do you think reaction time is? It's basically how fast the brain can register and respond to a stimulus. No reaction time consists of

the time it takes to register the threat.
the time it takes to process the action needed
the time it takes to initiate body movement.
and finally the actual time it takes for the movement to occur.

with dissaparating only the first two stages are needed, cutting voldy's reaction time by half.
And oro has not shown this kind of feat. to put that into perspective. a normal persons reaction time is Simple reaction time is usually defined as the time required for an observer to detect the presence of a stimulus. For example, an observer might be asked to press a button as soon as a light appears. Simple RT to detect the onset of a light flash is approximately 200 to 300milliseconds Oro can't move that fast, stop pushing it.

It was a comparison to show the speed difference. And if I'm not mistaken aren't you the one who's claiming that a genin in Naruto is capable of speeds above sound? Double Standard eh?I would have thought you'd be above ad honhiems. This thread and that thread are different things entirely. Bringing it up just like your Luffy and ichigo comparison is useless and unneeded.

And for the record when did post time skip sasuke and kakashi become genins? You didn't grasp that thread and you don't grasp his one as well.

NOt to be too much of a gigantic wet blanket but only a few people seem to grasp that the reaction time and killing curse and all that other stuff is not going to be the major point that will decide the fight. The major point that is going to decide this fight is the utility of the spell selection that Voldemort has at his disposal. There are dozens of spells that have effects that aren't rational, that work in odd manners moving at odd angles and the primary point that a "magical education" impresses on you is that it is the diversity of spells that can counter-jinx or counter-curse the damage done by some of the more esoteric powers.

As has already been pointed out, without the patronus charm it is nearly impossible to fight dementors. Boggerts require the use of a Rikikulous Charm and the abilty to even bypass many of the defensive spells requires certain knowledges.

For example. A shield charm, a more advanced shield incantation, complete invisibilty by disillusionment, Teleportation, flight, and repelling wards and incantations make it nearly impossible for Orochimaru to broach direct combat, and what is worse, there is nothing that can stop all these things from coming to pass.

Combine this with the nature of something as simple as a summoning charm and you have a lethal combination. Accio Orochimaru, would summon, requiring no line of sight or even vision of Orochimaru forcefully to the caster, where he could be petrified or killed at leisure.

Magic is horribly specific in Hary Potter and that combined with its versatility and range and power is hard to counter. The only reason why wizards duel each other with the spells they do is because its impossible to use other methods as a wizard has the counterspells.

We went this route (check a couple pages back) and it was simply ignored, in favor that "ORO WOULD JUST SLICE HIM LOLS!!!"

~Shin~

07-23-2007, 07:41 PM

There in lies the problem, oro is not faster than thought.

Why do you keep saying the same thing over and over again when I never claimed Oro IS FASTER THAN THOUGHT?

No reaction time consists of

the time it takes to register the threat.
the time it takes to process the action needed
the time it takes to initiate body movement.
and finally the actual time it takes for the movement to occur.

with dissaparating only the first two stages are needed, cutting voldy's reaction time by half.

I was referring to reaction time as in how long it takes the brain to process and react not one's whole body.

The second two stages were already null so I don't know what you were trying to prove by that.

I would have thought you'd be above ad honhiems. This thread and that thread are different things entirely. Bringing it up just like your Luffy and ichigo comparison is useless and unneeded.

And for the record when did post time skip sasuke and kakashi become genins? You didn't grasp that thread and you don't grasp his one as well.

Ad Hominems? How is that a ad hominium? It wasn't even an insult. I was merely questioning your reasoning for a double standard.

And the 2 threads are alike as they're both based on speed of Naruto characters. I thought it was quite obvious.

Why do you consistently put words in my mouth? When did I say Sasuke and Kakashi are genins? You were the one who stated Naruto characters range from sub sonic to near light speed.

chaoserver

07-23-2007, 11:10 PM

Oro with incredible ease. Too fast for the limited Voldemort.

Limit_Tester

07-24-2007, 12:03 AM

How then pray tell does he penetrate even a basic disillusionment charm much less a powerful mile effecting ward.

~Shin~

07-24-2007, 12:10 AM

And Voldey gets the time to do all this because?

Speed is a huge factor in a battle....

Limit_Tester

07-24-2007, 12:57 AM

Because all it takes is a thought to teleport to whereever he wants. Or a jab of the wand to erect a shield.

Sylar

07-24-2007, 01:06 AM

This is getting sad.

'Ninjas iest fasser than the wisards caz dey nijna!'

Red

07-24-2007, 02:36 AM

Why do you keep saying the same thing over and over again when I never claimed Oro IS FASTER THAN THOUGHT?
Because thats what your arguing.

I was referring to reaction time as in how long it takes the brain to process and react not one's whole body.

The second two stages were already null so I don't know what you were trying to prove by that. I proved that reaction time in the case of voldy is greatly reduced since half the tasks arn't needed and I posted the approximate reaction time of a human. Oro cannot Move 300miliseconds per any distance, thats absurd.

Ad Hominems? How is that a ad hominium? It wasn't even an insult. I was merely questioning your reasoning for a double standard.

And the 2 threads are alike as they're both based on speed of Naruto characters. I thought it was quite obvious.

Why do you consistently put words in my mouth? When did I say Sasuke and Kakashi are genins? You were the one who stated Naruto characters range from sub sonic to near light speed.

Stop trying to question my credibility and start trying to make your case better.

All the examples I gave in the previous threads are kakashi and post time sasuke, You called them genins, I did not. now instead of popping a red herring whenever you feel like I think you should start arguing on topic.

chaoserver

07-24-2007, 02:52 AM

How then pray tell does he penetrate even a basic disillusionment charm much less a powerful mile effecting ward.

By taking his head off before he opens his mouth.

Graham Aker

07-24-2007, 02:56 AM

And Voldey gets the time to do all this because?

Speed is a huge factor in a battle....
actually he has the speed...
Dumbledore after the Cave Horcrux expedition petrified Harry in the time it took Draco to quickly finish saying "Expelliarmus", Dumbledore was very exhausted at the time, probably dying...

its just a short, very short flick of a wand to create a shield...

Superrazien

07-24-2007, 02:57 AM

See the truth is like in most Naruto VS battles, we haven't seen Orochimaru go fully all out, the closest was the 3rds fight, but Orochimaru just had the 1st and 2nd Hokages do all the work. I highly doubt Orochimaru is dead, he will most likely come back and when we see his full power it will be better to use him in battles like this. But just based on what we seen from him, and other Ninjas I still say he takes this. Unless you guys think Voldemort could also kill, Kakashi, Gai, The 3rd, ect..

Caged_Bird

07-24-2007, 02:59 AM

Voldemord doesn't have a chance against oro

Mighty ASIAN Hero

07-24-2007, 03:01 AM

Orochimaru obviously will win. He is made by a ASIAN person. Voldemort is character made by a non ASIAN person. ASIAN Anime have more powerful than non ASIAN. This is fact.

Red

07-24-2007, 03:20 AM

Orochimaru obviously will win. He is made by a ASIAN person. Voldemort is character made by a non ASIAN person. ASIAN Anime have more powerful than non ASIAN. This is fact.

nice dupe account you have there.

BTW your sig gave you away.

vagnard

07-24-2007, 03:52 PM

Dumbledore stated what Voldemort most fear is death. Orochimaru just need to use his killing intent on him like he does against nearly all people he faces...then he just move in a blink of an eye behind Voldemort and cut his body with Kusanagi.

Voldemort spent the next 15 years or all eternity waiting for someone who can revive him.

NarutoKyuubiFan16

08-03-2007, 10:29 PM

Come on, in Naruto, Volde- I mean Orochimaru (Man, I'm getting confused here) can summon any dead person with his Edo Tensei, not to mention he's practically immortal, so I doubt Adavra Kedavara would have any effect on him. Second, he can just switch bodies with Voldemort and commit suicide in his body. (Dunno, possible). And I bet if Oro used Edo Tensei against Voldemort he would summon the heir of Slythyrin, Dumbledore, and Harry Potter if he kills him. (Though he would need 3 human sacrifices). And Voldys weak little Death Eater army can eat shit for all I care. Orochimaru can create clones, and he has Kabuto, many things at his disposal...all Voldemort has is a Death Eater army. If you take away a Horcrux from him, which I assume would be easy for Orochimaru, Voldemort would be dead. And you think Voldemort can talk to the snakes Orochimaru summons? Manda wouldn't even give a shit about both of them at the least, he would just eat Voldemort and shit him out later. :p And like many people here said, they can move fast, so they'll have a very good chance of dodging the Adavra Kedevara spell. And Oro is one of the Sannin, so he knows a lot more than one jutsu. And also, no one from HP would know how to kill Oro, since they don't see any weaknesses, and Jutsus like the Reaper Death Seal. Plus, chop off the wizards arms, and how can they cast a spell? (Well, I don't know if you can use a wand remotely) However, if you chop off Oros arms, he can grow them back. And If you try to actually choke Oro, he'll come back (Enma demonstrated, and Oro came back form a pile of brown sludge).

So, basically, Orochimaru wins. Plus, all I listed here is about half of what Oro has, maybe less. He has much more at his disposal. And also like I said, Voldemort, all he has is a Horcrux that you can take away with ease (If you're Oro, and you have his weapons) and an army that Oro can kill all at once. Plus, Oro can create multi- clones and all of themhaving enough chakra to take out all of them with even barely a scratch.

So, the winner (obviously) Orochimaru. :)

NarutoKyuubiFan16

08-03-2007, 10:33 PM

Counters to that: Oro can create clones, which is a similarity of what I think you call apparate, and he can dodge his killing blows with relative speed. I don't think he would even have to try, just cock his head to the side or somethin glike that.

NarutoKyuubiFan16

08-03-2007, 10:33 PM

Voldemort would win. Orochimaru can't apparate, bounce back killing spells, or really combat a Wizard's abilities at all. He wouldn't even be able to touch the Dark Lord.

Counters to that: Oro can create clones, which is a similarity of what I think you call apparate, and he can dodge his killing blows with relative speed. I don't think he would even have to try, just cock his head to the side or somethin glike that.

NarutoKyuubiFan16

08-03-2007, 10:34 PM

I am not sure what to think here.
I do believe that Oro is way too fast for Vol but isn't he immortal and all that?
If i was Oro i'll just call up Manda to swallow him and be done with it. :D
Yes i know Vol can control Snakes and all that, but Manda is a summon bound by a contract from a different physical plane.
I doubt Vol has power over him.
But like i said.
I have no idea.

Cheers. :beer

Well said. Voldy would have no control over Manda, since he hasn't a contract, even if he can speak snake. Although that wouldn't help, Anyone in the Naruto show can talk to animals. It's liek Dr.Dolittle. :p

NarutoKyuubiFan16

08-03-2007, 10:37 PM

Thousands is definitely a bit too much. (Probably more than one thousand but then there's a lot of weak ones among them...). Voldemort also has tons of spells, it could very well only be in the hundreds and it could be in the "thousands" like Orochimaru. Manda at his command? Voldemort would probably be able to take over him as he does with any snake. While Orochimaru has to summon him, Voldemort pretty much makes snakes out of thing air(or changes things into snakes). Orochimaru is too fast? Pft... Voldemort teleports....

Voldemort wouldn't have remotely any control over Manda. He hasn't a contract, so Manda won't do anything fo rhim. And Manda is extremely stubborn, and Snake Speak won't help. Plus, anyone ont he show can talk to Manda, clear as a bell,a nd he'll answer back. ;)

NarutoKyuubiFan16

08-03-2007, 10:38 PM

NarutoKyuubiFan16

08-03-2007, 10:40 PM