Are they changing the intro? Intro/Outro Discussion! [Archive]

TenshiOni

09-10-2005, 01:07 PM

I seriously hope Viz Media didn't include an actual opening with lyrics that they did themselves. :S

If anything....I hope it's just that background ninja-esque music you hear in the 30 second commercial and they just take scenes from all the openings.

No.

Question Answered. Someone delete this thread.

Sorry, I might have missed this info. Please point me out to where this was posted/explained.

Kyuubi Naruto

09-10-2005, 01:10 PM

Really? If you have it then please show me, or atleast someone else confirm it. If R*O*C*K*S comes on in the second episode in pure form then im going to be amazed at the dub. Thats the last thing I want for a perfect dub.

n8dogg

09-10-2005, 01:12 PM

They'll most likely keep the intro video, but change the music to Naruto's theme.

My reasoning for this is because of the sound effects that they included to accompany the intro in the Viz Media trailer. They wouldn't do that if they were simply going to use the original intro.

And plus, I don't think the casual viewer will give a rat's ass about music that they don't understand...

As long as it ain't rap, you should be happy.

helldragon

09-10-2005, 01:12 PM

I checked the Naruto website. The only person in the dub staff that works on the music is a music coordinator. It doesn't mention a composer in the dub staff. It does mention the japanese music staff.

The music coordinator is probably the guy that makes the music matches the edited footage, so I don't think they'll make a new song.

n8dogg

09-10-2005, 01:14 PM

And plus, I'm pretty sure the publishers of Naruto in Japan had to get permission from each musician group in order to use their property for their show. The likelyhood of Shopro being able to get the exact same response from each group is minimal.

AstralSky

09-10-2005, 01:18 PM

Tayuya (the banned one)

09-10-2005, 01:18 PM

They should just put Haruka Kanata since it shows everyone...just don't translate it :D

stormbreak

09-10-2005, 01:20 PM

When is the dub showing? I can't watch it unfortunatly :(

Kyuubi Naruto

09-10-2005, 01:23 PM

9 central on cartoon network

KuwabaraTheMan

09-10-2005, 01:28 PM

9 eastern actually.

We'll find out when episode 2 airs(no intro with episode 1, remember?)
Given that they're keeping all the other music, I see no reason to change the intro. Its possible there'll be no intro on the TV version, but I'm betting on R*O*C*K*S airing at 9:30 this evening.

n8dogg

09-10-2005, 01:28 PM

Hmmm...Alright, maybe I was wrong? I could have sworn that I saw somewhere we were all promised that the music played in the Op's would not be changed. I'll search a few more threads just to make sure.

Most likely a rumor. Shopro also said that "MOST" of the music will be intact, which may mean that everything but the intros will be untouched...

But like I said, using something like Naruto's theme isn't as bad as Shopro making up something silly.

organizedcrime

09-10-2005, 01:30 PM

I thought it was 9 East?

silverwings

09-10-2005, 01:43 PM

It's 9pm EST

Also, I'd expect a custom Toonami intro for Naruto while it's on the air. I'd expect the openings and endings to be in their original form on the DVDs only.

Though Zatch Bell *did* get both a mini-Toonami intro and its (horrid) dub opening. So who knows? Guess we will by tonight. :P

Also, I didn't think the opening played with episode 1 IIRC, so wouldn't episode 2 be the 'test'?

AstralSky

09-10-2005, 01:49 PM

I didn't find the thread, but I didn't really search that hard. I don't want to waste all of my time. :laugh

I'm hoping they come through like FMA did. Hell, they are even planning on showing "Rewrite" by Aji-Kan later this fall.

AdreneLyne

09-10-2005, 02:07 PM

Their wont be any theme or song changes, at least from what I saw in the trailer. If they do, infact, change the intro or maybe the theme, I'm not watching it.

Period.

Minster

09-10-2005, 02:15 PM

Their wont be any theme or song changes, at least from what I saw in the trailer. If they do, infact, change the intro or maybe the theme, I'm not watching it.

Period.

Does the intro matter *that* much? I mean it'd be cool if they kept the original opening, but it doesn't change the show itself.

Tayuya (the banned one)

09-10-2005, 02:18 PM

Ignore them. They're called dub whiners :D They take all logic away from stuff to find a reason to bash the dub.

SeruraRenge

09-10-2005, 02:21 PM

Naruyamcha

09-10-2005, 02:28 PM

I will make a full report on my Edit List thread if not tonite, tomorrow.
I bet R*O*C*K*S will be playing during the 1st episode; the 2nd episode however, well, it's Toonami we're talking about.

Kaki

09-10-2005, 02:39 PM

The opening is rather important. The way I see it there could be server ways of them handeling it:
1- Play a veryshortened version of the oppening and ending, it will still fill the 30min block but have more room for commercials.
2- Pick and oppening and not change it for a while-cutting out some openings. I belive this was done when FMA was shown, according to what my sister told me-so I may be wrong.
3- Ninja! Ninja! Rock the Ninja! Naaaaarruuuuuuuuutooooooooo. dur neer neer neeeer Ninja! Ninja! Rock the Ninja! Come get me!! Narutoooo narutooooooo. dur neer neer neeeer dur neer neer neeeeeeeeeeeeeer der dur neer neer neeeer dur neer neer neeeer!!!! Naruto version of DBZ opening set to random naruto clips:P

TEK

09-10-2005, 02:44 PM

I hope they're changing the intro. I'm kinda tired of this opening and can't wait for a new one.

KuwabaraTheMan

09-10-2005, 02:46 PM

If they're keeping the music(and they are), then there's no reason to change the opening. It'll either be nothing or R*O*C*K*S. Or they could take the FMA route and just choose one opening to air, most likely Haruka Kanata(shows all the characters, most people like it the most, etcetera).

I'd bet on showing the openings where they belong, though.

silverwings

09-10-2005, 02:53 PM

Pick and oppening and not change it for a while-cutting out some openings. I belive this was done when FMA was shown, according to what my sister told me-so I may be wrong.

I believe they only skipped the first opening and that was due to not getting the rights to license the song. However, the second opening was better anyways, so I didn't care. :P I believe the endings changed as they were supposed to and I believe the 3rd opening has aired/will air as well.

KuwabaraTheMan

09-10-2005, 03:08 PM

They had the rights to all FMA openings, but they signed a contract with the "L'arc-en-ciel" to only use "Ready, Steady, Go" for the first 26 episodes on air. The openings are correct on DVD.

Kyuubi Naruto

09-10-2005, 03:10 PM

I think they will choose Haruka Kanata.

TheVileOne

09-10-2005, 03:14 PM

I'm not going to throw a hissy fit if they change the intro.

Toffeeman

09-10-2005, 03:20 PM

I hope they're changing the intro. I'm kinda tired of this opening and can't wait for a new one.
Uh, dude, you know we're talking about the dub, right?

Inactive Roxas

09-10-2005, 03:21 PM

They had the rights to all FMA openings, but they signed a contract with the "L'arc-en-ciel" to only use "Ready, Steady, Go" for the first 26 episodes on air. The openings are correct on DVD.

You mean the dub will play Undo and Rewrite!? WOO!

*Ahem* Ah, yes. Not long now till the dub, only then will we find out if they kept the opening/ending.

KuwabaraTheMan

09-10-2005, 03:23 PM

You mean the dub will play Undo and Rewrite!? WOO!

*Ahem* Ah, yes. Not long now till the dub, only then will we find out if they kept the opening/ending.

I think Rewrite will be the one used for episodes 27+ on AS. The DVD's should have all 4 openings airing where they belong.

Blackvoice

09-10-2005, 03:25 PM

darn how long do i have to wait till i hear "WE ARE FIGHTING DREAMERS" darn i love that song. RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW, GO!

Tayuya (the banned one)

09-10-2005, 03:39 PM

^ I know *imagines fish stick swinging his cool sword*

Xgamer245

09-10-2005, 04:07 PM

6 more hours till dub.....
You know I downloaded the full openings of Haruna Kanata, Go!, and Ding Dong Dang to my psp....
Helps me sleep at night.

Jiyaido

09-10-2005, 04:19 PM

Oh no! It's change! Honestly though, I doubt the intro will be changed. And IF it was changed, it won't be some crappy rap song they made on the spot to try to make the series look cool, it will probably be a crappy rock song instead. And it just occured to me that Harumonia may get voiced over by Kate Higgins(Sakura) and Colleen O'Shaughnessey(Ino), which would not be in bad taste, considering the clips on voicebank.net. Either way, it hits the US airwaves in less then 6 hours, and wont reach me until 3 hours later. So we'll just have to wait and see to find out.

W00T! My 100th post!

Sanji

09-10-2005, 07:03 PM

I really hope I here "ROCKS" when Naruto is running away.

genesisofire

09-10-2005, 07:59 PM

I hope they don't. I would REALLY like the dub a lot more if they do. But for this first opening it doesn't matter as much for me, since ROCKS is one of those naruto intros that i just skip. I'm more interested if they show WIND. For intros I'm more hyped if theyd show haruka kanata, now that's a song.

Enzain

09-10-2005, 08:34 PM

It's gonna be a funky ninja rap that the kids will wanna dance to:)

SeruraRenge

09-10-2005, 08:57 PM

It's gonna be a funky ninja rap that the kids will wanna dance to:)
AHHHHHHHH (rips head off)

Unless you meant Ninja Rap by Vanilla Ice....but kids these days wont remember that. That was from the time of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles live-action movies.

KuwabaraTheMan

09-10-2005, 08:59 PM

If Ninja Rap was the opening, it would be the greatest thing ever.

SeruraRenge

09-10-2005, 09:19 PM

If Ninja Rap was the opening, it would be the greatest thing ever.
True, but no one under 12 would know much about the song.

Anyway, on the subject on endings, I hope to god that out of all the endings, they keep "Ima Made Nando Mo". That was the best one!

Rainy Days

09-10-2005, 09:51 PM

I wouldn't care if they didn't use ROCKS as the intro. The song is horrible, it sounds like a bad 80's song. All of the other openings are pretty good, but that one is just awful.

genjo sanzo

09-10-2005, 10:02 PM

well they changed the intro....damn

naruto's voice sounds alot better than before, but sakura sounds like a dude..

shikamaru....dont like it, cut out irukas nose bleed.

but i do like how naruto sounds so much better now.:oh

genesisofire

09-10-2005, 10:08 PM

well you know the answer now...yes they changed it....

AstralSky

09-10-2005, 10:34 PM

I'm dissapointed. That's all I have to say.

dragon3003

09-10-2005, 10:34 PM

they changed it and used random pictures and scences from the 2nd seasons intro

n8dogg

09-11-2005, 12:06 AM

I didn't catch it because I was working. What kind of music did they play?

Tousenz

09-11-2005, 12:10 AM

Music? it was just some crap they photoshopped together. And I doubt its getting replaced because it had the second season opening as well.

Kyuubi Naruto

09-11-2005, 12:12 AM

It made

-our favorite Taijutsu specialist look like a good
-Sakura doesnt look weak
-our favorite female Hyuuga look strong

And the music was just "guitar solo over and over" again and again -_-

Strider M

09-11-2005, 01:19 AM

Like "Rock The Dragon"?

Kyuubi Naruto

09-11-2005, 01:29 AM

Ehh, kinda but really really really fast over and over :laugh

Inactive Roxas

09-11-2005, 01:51 AM

Oh, damn. They didn't play ROCKS/Wind.

Ah well, no real big loss. What Viz should do to make up for it is create a new OP/ED every 26 episodes.

Ya know, just for some variety.

AstralSky

09-11-2005, 02:09 AM

I'm hoping that they will get around to licensing the songs. Maybe they just haven't done it yet.

There is hope....

Actually, watching the first 2 episodes just made me want to watch the entire series over again. Hopefully kids will get wise and just get the subbed versions.

Blaze of Glory

09-11-2005, 02:42 AM

Kids nowadays are too dumb to do anything... Plus I bet when they come out with the DVD's they,ll edit the intros and probaly change it and instead put in the original song.

Stormraven

09-11-2005, 03:01 AM

They didn't keep the original season 1 opening and closing. In their place they put together a bunch of images from the next couple of seasons. And the music...it was generic rock that you can hear on any tv or radio station commercial! In my opinion, they didn't want to deal with the originals because of people questioning why they don't subtitle the opening and closing sequences. Don't they know that they have a large Naruto fanbase that is slightly older than the average Toonami watcher? And the pronunciation of names and techniques has been brought to Viz's attention before. We never did get a straight answer, but couldn't they make an effort to say the names a little less...grade school? And the editing of the blood, come on! They should have kept it in. If Japan didn't edit, then the American version should not have been edited. But this is America, the land of the Fundies and overactive censorship. The voice acting talent was a surprise. Glad to see Crispin Freeman had a voice part, even though you don't see Ebisu that much in the series. And Hinata's voice actor does sound suspiciously like Carrie Savage. Naruto does sound a little on the feminine side, but not that bad. And I concur with previous posts, Sakura and Ino do sound a little butch. I may or may not keep watching it on Cartoon Network.

MisterLee

09-11-2005, 03:09 AM

Intro and outro are the same songs, but with different images. Intro puts a big emphasis on that part in the ROCKS opening where Team 7 fighting the big fat guy, then closes with the closing shot of Haruka Kanata, which is nice. The bulk of the outro is made up of the part in Haruka Kanata where the screen is divided up by each member of the Genin teams, but doesn't show that great section where they're all spinning around.

As for the song, it's pretty generic but I think it's fine and it's nowhere as bad as DBZ's "Rock the Dragon." While it's a shame we didn't get Wind, ROCKS is no big loss to me. It looks like this intro and outro will be kept until the end of the Chuunin exam.

Music? it was just some crap they photoshopped together.

Yeah, because we all know you can photoshop music. :oh

Kids nowadays are too dumb to do anything...

Sure, music gets changed around these days because the kids are "too dumb to do anything" about it. Yeah, when in doubt about the faults of animation dubbing, always blame the kids. :huh

Tousenz

09-11-2005, 03:23 AM

Yeah, because we all know you can photoshop music

Did I say the music was photoshopped? gg.

The topic is the intro. I said it was photoshopped.

Enzain

09-11-2005, 03:27 AM

They totally shoulda kept the original opening and put the funky rap in. That way everyone wins :whoo
ROCK TO YOUR SOOOOOOOOOOOOUUULLLLLL

MisterLee

09-11-2005, 03:51 AM

Did I say the music was photoshopped?

Yeah, you did. What you were thinking while writing that =/= what is actually there. Either admit your mistakes when you make them, or learn some basic grammar some time.

Music? it was just some crap they photoshopped together.

This shit shouldn't even need to be broken down. "It" naturally replaces "music" as a pronoun, you make it painfully obvious but somehow you mean the opposite thing? I don't care that you make mistakes, but I do find it bullshit that you have to deny that you're wrong here.

tmmyc

09-11-2005, 05:40 AM

Go Ninja, Go Ninja, Go!
Go Ninja, Go Ninja, Go!
Go Ninja, Go Ninja, Go!
Go! Go! Go! Go!

ThE oNe

09-11-2005, 02:18 PM

*opens downloaded cn dub*

*thinks to self "it's not bad so far"*

*hears the opening song*

*throws up*

Gaia

09-11-2005, 02:53 PM

I wonder why do they always change the intro.Here in Portugal we keep the same intro and endings and the songs too.

Tsukichan

09-11-2005, 03:56 PM

Ok i am going to end this disscussion for anyone who keeps saying the intro and outro suck...the licensing of the music costs more money and im pretty sure Viz was more worried about the content of the damn show then the opening and closing themes which does cost more money cuz its not just about the actual animation you then have to deal with the music companies and royalties and such of the arists for the music, which is just more work and more money. so be quiet be happy they put somthing with the somewhat same genre of music there to gather the same type of feeling. rememeber this could of been done much worse.

JBladen

09-11-2005, 04:25 PM

As Tsukichan said, it costs money to license the songs. Viz doesn't even know if Naruto will do well on Toonami or not, remember, we pre-dub fans aren't the only only ones that Viz wants to watch Naruto, they want to appeal to people that have no idea about Naruto before the dub. If it isn't successful to them, then they'll can it and that's a lot of wasted money down the drain, even moreso if they license the songs for a set amount of episodes. There's a small chance that we will get an original intro and ending if we get everybody to support the series. And as Tsukichan said again, it could be MUCH worse. What do you guys think about *insert rap music here* "YO YO YO NARUTO IS A NINJA! YO YO YO NINJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YO YO YO. MONSTER POWER. YO YO YO, FO SHIZZLE." As she said, it could be MUCH worse. Be thankful. :P

THERMOnuclear

09-11-2005, 10:13 PM

Ehhh, that one would be the best for the American one I think. Have translations on the bottom if you want. Would have added about 20% more to the Anime IMO. AS for royalties to the band who sang it, i dunno how much it would cost maybe just edit the song and add 1 word into it so its different and dont pay any royalties :)

By 2.0 I mean the version of Fighting Dreamers intro where it has Sasuke fighting, in high action not the first one where it shows him holding the 4-blade and theres flames but no frames.

Ill get to get a link to the music video of Fighting Dreamers into V2.0 for ppl who havnt seen it yet, its awesome

And to make time for the song, take out the ending and get rid of all the "toonami, you're now watching naruto! only on toonami!" subintros before and after every commercial break.

Jones

09-11-2005, 10:18 PM

never!!! the music for the intros is the best. how dare you try to shove this stuff down our throats. (please note that i am in the anti-noob army and therefore hate all things about the americanized naruto)

THERMOnuclear

09-11-2005, 10:21 PM

Huh.. fighting dreamers is a japanese entrance to naruto, the best one IMO. So make that one the intro for the first 150

Xan_Aloufin

09-11-2005, 10:27 PM

but fighting dreamers is the 3rd japanese opening (begins at ep 78 )

the best japanese opening is the 2nd one: haruka kanata by asian kungfu generation

the 1st US opening mixed video stuff of the 1st and 2nd japanese opening, while i like the song, in my opinion the opening sucks.

THERMOnuclear

09-11-2005, 10:30 PM

No Haruka Kanata to me had worser animation and feeling than Fighting Dreamers

That was jsut to me, though...

I think they all kick ass

Out of a score of 1-10

Fighting dreamers: 15
All others: 10

-HybridNaruto-

09-11-2005, 11:21 PM

The opening/ending theme sounds just like the Trigun opening theme,Anyone notice that?

Rudox

09-12-2005, 12:04 AM

Not really. The Trigun one actually sounds good, this one is just generic electric guitar playing with some moron shouting something.

TenshiOni

09-12-2005, 12:10 AM

Just re-listened to Trigun's.

No, they don't. Not to me, that is.

-HybridNaruto-

09-12-2005, 12:15 AM

The Yelling is very similiar.

Rudox

09-12-2005, 12:21 AM

The Yelling is very similiar.

In the Trigun one the only yelling I remember is an "Oh!". On the Naruto opening the guy is yelling what I think is "Rise" and some other stuff I can't understand cause he sucks.

Inactive Roxas

09-12-2005, 12:24 AM

Reminds me of Power Rangers.

Axass

09-12-2005, 12:26 AM

It's called "GO!!!" not "Fighting Dreamers". And this can be easily merged with all the intro/outro discussion threads. *merges*

Minus617

09-12-2005, 01:21 AM

Well I think that both intro/outro sucks. For those say that its because the lisenceing I think not. I mean almost all the other anime that they show on Toonami have the original intro or one of the original intros. Like Rurouni Kenshin, Dragonball, Dragonball Z(when they showed it on saturdays), Cowboy Bebop, Inuyasha, Trigun and any other that I cant seem to think of. I thinks its just garbage that Viz took one of the best anime's out today and didnt but the original intro/outro. I'm Very disapointed.

MisterLee

09-12-2005, 01:45 AM

Kamzy

09-12-2005, 04:58 AM

*watches Intro*

What the......hell…

I’ve just had 70 episodes thrown at me XD! This HAS to be just a pilot episode thing right? RIGHT? Because this is a joke, this is something a complete idiot with windows movie maker would throw out on his first try, I can understand not having the originals, but this is just pure LAZY. Christ I’ve seen low quality dubs with better intros, not something as revered and highly anticipated as this was.

Seriously you can work on one side and lack on the other. I can under stand that the American audience won’t go for 2 minute intros. And they can’t use the original Japanese songs. But SOME originality would be appreciated.

JBladen

09-14-2005, 06:07 PM

That's absolutely right, many anime shown on Cartoon Network DO have the original opening and endings, so I can't see how licensing can be THAT big of an issue. In the end it really comes down to adapting the production to what is usually seen on American television, and ROCKS and Wind simply would have been too foreign for American viewers.

This is true, except, Cartoon Network does not translate these anime, they are done by various OTHER companies like Viz, Funimation, 4Kids, Aniplex, Geneon, etc. They are the ones that do the dubbing of the anime. Some companies do not want to even bother to get the original intros and ending themes, (4Kids and Funimation being notorious for this.) We'll see what Viz has to say about it, but I'm betting it was a royalty issue.