SkOTW 20: Discussion

[mow]

Hopefully things will be back to order this week. =]

Also, dial up really blows

[rokkudaime]

mer-folk........... interesting.....this will be a challenge

[DOK]

:headscrat what we sopposed to draw?

[mow]

:headscrat what we sopposed to draw?

http://www.duirwaighgallery.com/images/athumbs/thumb_cards_mermaids.jpg

=] . . . .

[DOK]

XD

This is gonna be fun.

[Skoemie]

This is gonna me so tottaly kick ass... but at the same time this is gonna be hard... real hard... I wanna see the art everyone comes up with

[Dragonzair]

Also, dial up really blows

:crying i know how you feel, mate.

Also, nice topic, Ame! :clap YAY!

[DOK]

I kn0w T_T i been having dial up XD
i was sopposed to get t1 but it was to expensive for me XD

Edit, :blink Toon, i dont think that counts,

[Ame]

Gawd... awesome entry by toonekked... ^_^

[toonekked]

thanks... the model is tila nguyen, and yes her boobs are fake.

[Ame]

^ lmao! :laugh

[Dragonzair]

toonekked! xD neaaattt entry!!!!!

DoK, i think all media counts :wink

[Ame]

Agreed... photo-manipulation is still a form of digital art. Still don't know what I'm gonna do for this one...

[toonekked]

although i wouldnt categorize photomanipulation under "sketches"

[Ame]

Then it shouldn't be called Sketch Of The Week if they don't allow things that aren't sketches... *sigh* still stuck.. it's my own topic and I think... lol....

[Haruka]

Is mermaid lesbian porn allowed?

[DOK]

DoK, i think all media counts :wink

Shut up DZ! you know nothing! T_T


<3

[clockwork]

Tila Nguyen is hot.

[DOK]

Merma-fied

[Ame]

Is mermaid lesbian porn allowed?

:blink ...I think it's ok so long as it's soft core. :laugh

[Haruka]

Tila Nguyen is hot.
Nguyen is my last name. :ninja

[DOK]

Haruka, you should update the skotw topic.

[Haruka]

Oh yeah, I'm waiting for Clocky to make the new one :)

[Jadeedge]

:blink Toon, i dont think that counts,
i can believe i'm agreeing with him... but i think he's right. that Tila pic looks awfully like the one that's already on your DA site... call me crazy but i thought SotW was for stuff that's made just for SotW... i think this should get an admin 2nd opinion though. (sorry, toon... just trying to keep true to the rules... :sweat )

[toonekked]

i can believe i'm agreeing with him... but i think he's right. that Tila pic looks awfully like the one that's already on your DA site... call me crazy but i thought SotW was for stuff that's made just for SotW... i think this should get an admin 2nd opinion though. (sorry, toon... just trying to keep true to the rules... :sweat )


i just put that tila nguyen one on today. so they came out the same day. you do the math. i had made version one to be compatable with any topic for sotw, and then when i found out what the topic was, i accomodated. so yes. i did make it solely for sotw. i dont like wasting time during the week because i have clients to tend to on weekdays.

lol either nekked or too nekked. dont say toon cuz i didnt know you were talking to me. either way its not photomanipulation. its vector art. thats why i didnt think you were talking to me o.O you kept saying photomanip, and mine is vector...

[Skoemie]

So i posted my quick made skotw... hope you guys love it... :)

And Toon(ekked) good work with your photomanipulation :P just kidding gurl well done...

[Mack]

Yeah, nice job toonekked. It's suposed to be you yeh?

[8018]

love your entry toonekked =O
its so pretty

[mgrace]

Yeah I like it....

[toonekked]

Yeah, nice job toonekked. It's suposed to be you yeh?

what? no. ... i said the model is tila nguyen.

[Toiletnojutsu]

Well thats just too nekkid omg.

I like the fish bowl

[abfluvver]

The thing about vectors is, they are usually showcased in the GFX section, rather than the art section. Vectors are also under "GFX" for AOTM, and not under "Art".
SkOTW is the art section challenge, SOTW is basically the equivalent for GFXers. So in the end, I don't know if vectors can, in fact, be used for SkOTW. No one has ever tried (to my knowledge), so...
Mod clarification is needed. Or we take a poll.

It does say "any medium", but there should be a line to what a "sketch" is. Using an already existing image and vectoring it seems like it breaks some of the existing SkOTW rules, which is no copying, or stealing poses, etc, etc.

[Toiletnojutsu]

I already said that :notrust

[rokkudaime]

The thing about vectors is, they are usually showcased in the GFX section, rather than the art section. Vectors are also under "GFX" for AOTM, and not under "Art".
SkOTW is the art section challenge, SOTW is basically the equivalent for GFXers. So in the end, I don't know if vectors can, in fact, be used for SkOTW. No one has ever tried (to my knowledge), so...
Mod clarification is needed. Or we take a poll.

It does say "any medium", but there should be a line to what a "sketch" is. Using an already existing image and vectoring it seems like it breaks some of the existing SkOTW rules, which is no copying, or stealing poses, etc, etc.
i agree to that. i think what stony really meant by any meadium is "traditional and digital". meaning to sketch something or draw something by digital or traditional meants. im not sure if a vector really fits in to category.

[Skoemie]

Toonekked I realy love your art and it looks greate... but somewhere i have to agree.
You start out with a image and we start out with just our imagination... I understand how hard it is to make such art but still we only have our mind and our skills in this (not that i am skilld but that's something else) I realy love your art but it's "only" a remake of something that is done already and it is modified, so i say that it can't be placed here from next week on if everyone agrees with it...

Still Toonekked Realy love your work what you shown us untill now... but here comes the challandge for you pick up a pencil and go for the SKOTW

[toonekked]

Toonekked I realy love your art and it looks greate... but somewhere i have to agree.
You start out with a image and we start out with just our imagination... I understand how hard it is to make such art but still we only have our mind and our skills in this (not that i am skilld but that's something else) I realy love your art but it's "only" a remake of something that is done already and it is modified, so i say that it can't be placed here from next week on if everyone agrees with it...

Still Toonekked Realy love your work what you shown us untill now... but here comes the challandge for you pick up a pencil and go for the SKOTW

....rofl. "only" a remake of something that is done already?

okay. when you draw an already existing anime/manga character that is originaly created by someone else; that is doing the same thing, only my original model happens to be a real person and does not have defining lines that can easily be duplicated such as a cartoon character already does. even if you modify the character, its still "only" a "remake of something that is done already..."

i can easily go get a pen and paper and "sketch" myself a remake of kakashi; the conceptual art, proportions, complextion, would be the same as kishimoto's


so, really everyone here is just being hypocritical.

http://img173.imageshack.us/my.php?image=narutopose1tv.png is a remake of an anime character (naruto obviously) that is originally created by kishimito, who by the way has creative rights to the character. no one says anything because it is fan art, and this happens to be a naruto forum. well i happen to be a fan of tila nguyen and most of her photographers; so my vector can be considered fan art as well.

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=47019 that entire topic (self portraits) is something that can be argumentable with the logic you've given me. your face is something that is already made, and looking in the mirror and sketching yourself ISNT making something up out of scratch, now is it? you're still using yourself as a reference and guide. well instead of using myself, i'm using someone elses body.


http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zabuzaps6wq5dg.jpg is also made out of characters that have been premade by someone else.


ANY anime-ish looking character that you may have very well created yourself is actually a remake of any anime character already out there. techniques to draw anime eyes, body shapes, noses, mouths, all anime-ish looking features were actually copied in one way or another from whoever originally made the first anime character in history. those things were already THERE. you just made it your own.

[DOK]

Hell, i got this one inthe bag, just need to add a tail and some scales to Jessica alba. :noworry

ohwell, i think toons entry sucks. alot.
im so gonna get buttrapped for that.

Mack, your entry confuses me. neji a merman? :headscrat

[toonekked]

Hell, i got this one inthe bag, just need to add a tail and some scales to Jessica alba. :noworry

ohwell, i think toons entry sucks. alot.
im so gonna get buttrapped for that.


do you not know the difference between photomanipulation and vector illustration?

in that case, i'll let you see what i've done, and you can stop assuming all i did was colorize and add scales, when in fact it took me... 16 hours to draw the beta with the pen and pencil tools in illustrator, and then another 3 hours to recolor it and add more detail

http://2nekked.cliquemb.com/tscn.jpg

each outline represents a shape/path drawn using the pen or pencil tool in adobe illustrator, with my mouse. you can see the paths in the layers window, and judging by the large scroll bar in that window, you can see how far the layers window must extend to view all my paths.

and thats only the skin there... the completed piece is on a different pc.

[Skoemie]

Toonekked i didn't use it to offend you or anything... and yes if you make a copy of a charecter you ain't using your own imagination but it's easyer to study like that... and i did say I love your art... maybe i said something wrong but that was not my intention

[DOK]

Ummm, i dont care.I just dont like it.
we all are entittled to our own opinion.
DOK IS A HATER OMFG :omg
that model is still hott


:headscrat

[toonekked]

im saying your logic is twisted, and that my work shouldnt be disregarded in skotw just because the model of reference happens to be a real person instead of an already existing drawing that already has defining lines that anyone can copy and itd end up looking exactly the same.


all i had to refer to was an actual face, that HAS no defining lines you can easily copy. you really do have to make that shit up and wing it as you go along.

[Skoemie]

Toonekked After wiewing your last post (#38) i have to say your a goddes of patience... I couldend have done that... 16 hours... even 3 is to long for me

[toonekked]

eh lol when you do it for a living, 16 hours is nothing. theres another project im not finished with that i started last month. i didnt mean to seem bitchy or complaintive; but i just dont agree with some of the logic being brought up, because its a little skewed, and i dont think some people understand what my piece really is.

all im saying is that in the future if you're not going to let people do what i've done, then you may as well disqualify anyone who draws anime characters too.

[DOK]

i was expectin people to draw something original. that is why i was upset.
now sitt back and let dok live his miserable life.

[toonekked]

again; remakes of preexisting anime characters is just as original as me drawing tila nguyen with a mouse or sketching her with a tablet.

[DOK]

Fanart is never original. hell, its played out.

[abfluvver]

in that case, i'll let you see what i've done, and you can stop assuming all i did was colorize and add scales, when in fact it took me... 16 hours to draw the beta with the pen and pencil tools in illustrator, and then another 3 hours to recolor it and add more detail
Here's the problem then:
you did the base for, as you said, any SkoTW topic. You added the mermaid thing just for this SkOTW, apparently. The entire piece has to be done with the new SkOTW topic in mind. The entire thing has to be new, not just your editing to it.

1.) No old sketches!! Each topic is designed (heheheh, I sound professional) to challenge a persons innovation and to help with drawing skills too .n___n. So don't post yer old dusty stuff. New sketch a week.

Since you said it took you around 19 hours to do this piece in it's entirety, I looked at the time between the new topic being posted, and you posting your work... 4 hours.
Therefore, it wasn't entirely new for this week.

If fanart wasn't allowed, it would say that in the rules. And seeing as how some of the SkOTWs actually revolve around fanart... heh.

[marz76]

again; remakes of preexisting anime characters is just as original as me drawing tila nguyen with a mouse or sketching her with a tablet.

Yes but most of the remakes of the anime characters is one's own original interpretation... Yours seems to look like you placed an image into illustrator and basically traced it. You used a reference image for that purpose to create the paths... Please don't get me wrong, I like your work. Although I would agree that your work is not true to the rules.... I think vector art is an acceptable media for SkOTW, but your content is not.

[toonekked]

but u cant trace an image for....1045 paths. the paths arent defined in a photo. i didnt even put the image into illustrator. i looked at it from a different monitor


edit:// actually, as an educational note, it is possible to trace a posterized image and be able to come up with some what relative dimensions/depth. but i havent posterized since highschool, because i learned that its not always perfect, since you cant see correct shades in posterized images, its misleading at times, and a waste of time if you have to go back and figure out which shades should be darker than others. better to do it from scratch yourself. beginners should posterize though, i guess. it definitely helped me when i was just starting out.

[toonekked]

Here's the problem then:
you did the base for, as you said, any SkoTW topic. You added the mermaid thing just for this SkOTW, apparently. The entire piece has to be done with the new SkOTW topic in mind. The entire thing has to be new, not just your editing to it.



Since you said it took you around 19 hours to do this piece in it's entirety, I looked at the time between the new topic being posted, and you posting your work... 4 hours.
Therefore, it wasn't entirely new for this week.

If fanart wasn't allowed, it would say that in the rules. And seeing as how some of the SkOTWs actually revolve around fanart... heh.


sorry for double posting. but i started 19 hours before and finished (posted it on DA) just as the new topic was put up. i slept for two hours, and then i went through another two hours of resketching on paper (entirely new pencil sketch) with the added detail, and then actually recoloring every path on the computer and adding everything else, and i finished at the 4 hour mark that you so nicely observed.

oh god then i definitely fell back to sleep o.O rofl

[marz76]

but u cant trace an image for....1045 paths. the paths arent defined in a photo. i didnt even put the image into illustrator. i looked at it from a different monitor

You still basically copied a reference image. Its the same thing as copiing picture w/ guash... It would be different if you use her as reference image for another concept, like having her swimming in the ocean or sitting ontop of a rock, etc.. this would be okay IMO, because your are using your own original thoughs and concepts....That is what most of the fan artist on the forum do...they use the character as reference for they own original work, they do not copy someone's work or photo.

[DOK]

I love you abfluvver :love

[toonekked]

the only thing i actually copied was a pose. the rest of it is completely original - colors, concept, my own original thought was put into the final project. if the woman was standing right in front of me standing that way, i could do it again.

now flip it. if you're a fanartist, the ONLY thing you ARENT copying is the pose.
you ARE however copying colors, character design, clothing/accessories, you could even shade it in the same proportions, only to fit the pose.

im sorry if i dont see a difference in effort,creativity, or originality.


edit://

yknow what? i'll take a picture of myself and then vector it the same way. i think i'd actually like it more anyway, and then no one can argue that its not completely original. i think i have creative titles to my own body.

[Ame]

Woah nelly... Uber discussion mode... g'morning....

[DOK]

Let it EFFFING!#$rq#@%~~~~!@!@!#@ GO!

[abfluvver]

I'm about to get our dear mods on this issue.
It should be settled soon enough.

[DOK]

I love you more now :love

you should be a mod for the art section :headscrat

[abfluvver]

I used to be a mod.
NEVER AGAIN.

[marz76]

the only thing i actually copied was a pose. the rest of it is completely original - colors, concept, my own original thought was put into the final project. if the woman was standing right in front of me standing that way, i could do it again.

now flip it. if you're a fanartist, the ONLY thing you ARENT copying is the pose.
you ARE however copying colors, character design, clothing/accessories, you could even shade it in the same proportions, only to fit the pose.

im sorry if i dont see a difference in effort,creativity, or originality.


edit://

yknow what? i'll take a picture of myself and then vector it the same way. i think i'd actually like it more anyway, and then no one can argue that its not completely original. i think i have creative titles to my own body.

I would agree with that... That way it is completely original.

G'luck!

[DOK]

NEVER AGAIN.

:sad
You just lost a fanboy.


JKJK!!!!! :love

[toonekked]

how about YOU let it go and get off my back, DOK?

[mow]

Okay no need for the excess hostiliaty in the air toonekked, they have every right to debate the matter.

Since Im not the most art oriented mod around, Im taking this up with the mod team. We well fill you in on our decision soon enough.

Is mermaid lesbian porn allowed?

PM me the entree first.

:ninja

[toonekked]

i just cant...fathom the hypocricy in his post.. i dont see how any of this concerns him so i dont understand why he doesnt just let it go and stop pestering me. i didnt mean to be hostile; i'm really asking why he cant leave me be because i want to know.

[abfluvver]

Everyone just needs to take a chill pill and hop off the drama llama.
That? Coming from me? HAHAHAHHA

<3 you moe. (:

[toonekked]

btw... i'm nitpicking, but as a professional i have to get this out:

the word "graphic" is not restricted only to digital art. graphic art is any art you can see with your eye that involves an object (comparable to audio art/music and dance). a pencil drawing is graphic art.

whether you are a digital illustrator or acrylic painter, you're still an artist.

the word "sketch" describes a pencil drawing, and therefore real sketches cannot be done using just any medium.

there needs to be clarification on what a sketch is pertaining to NF's standards, or the name should just be changed.

[mow]

toonekked, let's ignore the vectoring issue aside for the time being, shall we?
Your entree still broke a critical rule of SkOTW. Your entree was not designed specifically for this SkOTW, you simply added to it to fit the current theme.

I refer you, as abf already did, to the first rule of SkOTW:-


1.) No old sketches!! Each topic is designed (heheheh, I sound professional) to challenge a persons innovation and to help with drawing skills too .n___n. So don't post yer old dusty stuff. New sketch a week.

Hence, I apologize, but your entree is revoked.

Now, on to the vectoring issue.

Vectoring is soley a form of GFX, digital art. Such entrees could be entered in AOTM (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=51654) and can be showcased in the Konoha Graphics Dept. (http://forums.narutofan.com/forumdisplay.php?f=86)

Regardless of the "pose" issuse, fan art are sketches. They may take into account a pre-existing character, but it's still drawn art (sfor lack of better terms). Even Stone the co-founder of SkOTW, used fan art as entrees if I recall correctly.

Fuirther proof of fanarts validity in SkOTW:-


5.) You are free to interpret the topic as you wish, but your sketch has to be related to it in some form.

As you can see, the entree can be a fanart, as long as it fits the theme of that week' SkOTW.

Bare in mind that I am not trying to disregard your art as effortless. I know first hand how time consuming GFX work could be, and that it requires as much engery and creativity as any sketch does.

We need to decide on a boundray of what counts as a sketch. As I said, I will discuss this with the mods and I wish to take everyone here's input, so I'm making a poll. IMO, I dont believe vectors/photomanupialtion should count in SkOTW.

[mow]

the word "sketch" describes a pencil drawing, and therefore real sketches cannot be done using just any medium.

That makes no sense.

As a artist, you should know that the meaning of term "sketch" has changed over time and is now more expanded in essence. Many digital mediums can be used to help the artist in their sketch. A mouse/tablet used to make a drawing is as valid as a pencil when making a sketch. Hence the sketch is real.

[toonekked]

when you say "Any Medium," you are opening the doors to a million possibilities.

photography
webdesign
vector illustration
photomanipulation
music
dance
sculpture
oragami


i'm only saying that you cant just say "any medium" if you dont really mean "any medium"

traditionally, and technically a sketch is a quick or undetailed drawing or painting used for preliminary study.

Vectoring is soley a form of GFX, digital art. Such entrees could be entered in AOTM and can be showcased in the Konoha Graphics Dept.

then how come i've seen airbrushes/digital paintings and vector/vexel art submitted here repeatedly? they may not be portraits of distinct human beings, but they are made in vector and raster based programs, and therefore should be categorized as digital art. but that's only if you're going to wrongly segregate graphic art, digital art, and art.


and gfx does not equal graphic art. gfx is graphic EFFECTS, and vector illustration is not an EFFECT as it does not consist of a rendering action.

[mow]

As I said, I have taken the issuse with the mod team, and we are currently debating the matter on vectors eligibilty as. We will also work on a set definition for an SkOTW to avoid any future confusion.

Please, dont take this too personally. I'm hesitant in the matter due to the fact I dont believe Stonewalker intended to have vectors eligiable.

[toonekked]

As I said, I have taken the issuse with the mod team, and we are currently debating the matter on vectors eligibilty as. We will also work on a set definition for an SkOTW to avoid any future confusion.

Please, dont take this too personally. I'm hesitant in the matter due to the fact I dont believe Stonewalker intended to have vectors eligiable.


just out of curiousity.. what is your definition of a vector?

[abfluvver]

when you say "Any Medium," you are opening the doors to a million possibilities.

photography
webdesign
vector illustration
photomanipulation
music
dance
sculpture
oragami


i'm only saying that you cant just say "any medium" if you dont really mean "any medium"


traditionally, and technically a sketch is a quick or undetailed drawing or painting used for preliminary study.

It's also called "SKETCH of the Week".

While many of the pieces here may not be "sketches" in the sense of the word we're all thinking, they're basically all drawings. "Sketch" in "Sketch of the Week" was chosen for snaziness, and so it would look similar to "Sig of the Week" (Drawing of the Week would sound lame).
I mean, although it does say "any medium", please note that:
1) The rules haven't been updated in awhile
2) No one has really decided to enter vectors before you. Photographs, photomanips, and the like have never been submitted as well.

People have not submitted these sorts of work before because they have been able to see that this competition is not meant for them. That stuff can go either to SOTW or AOTM, both excellent competitions.

I don't know why you are getting an attitude over this (or at least that's how it comes off). People have repeatedly complimented your work, but they have also been saying that your work does not necessarily belong here. You don't seem to take any opposition to yourself or your work very well.

ETA:
Moe's not an art mod. I cannot see how his definition of "vector" would add any to the topic at hand, so I am assuming you are picking on him, or setting him up for a talk-down.
Hands off the moe, please.

[mow]

My art-tard definiation of a vector:

A digital image that is created using various separate objects. These objects are defined (usually) by mathematical properties and each have specific characteristics to create various elements such as clolor, hue, fill etc.

Bare in mind that Im not a art mod of any kind. I simply stated my opinion. The reason Im taking this issue with the mod team is the fact we have several art mods whose opinion and input is much more valid than mine.

[toonekked]

a vector can be done using a tablet. and a vector does not necessarily have to be done with layers of dimension. a vector can be a happy face. if it is done in a vector-based program, such as illustrator, it is a Vector, and nothing else. i could attempt the same thing in photoshop with the brush and marquee tools, and make it look like a vector, but it wouldnt be a vector since it is raster art. then it'd be a digital painting.


digital paintings have been accepted and have won in skotw in the past.


what i dont understand is why you accept digital paintings but not vector art.

edit://
when i say "you" i mean nf or the staff as a whole. im wondering what you guys think vector art is because i've SEEN vector art submitted here in the past. im wondering if you KNEW it was vector art or not, and what makes theirs NOT vector art, but mine so distinctly a vector separated from the rest. so no im not singling anyone out at all. if i hadnt already seen it in the past here, i wouldnt have tried to submit mine.

[mow]

a vector can be done using a tablet. and a vector does not necessarily have to be done with layers of dimension. a vector can be a happy face. if it is done in a vector-based program, such as illustrator, it is a Vector, and nothing else.

dail up droooools:-
Bare in mind that Im not a art mod of any kind. I simply stated my opinion. The reason Im taking this issue with the mod team is the fact we have several art mods whose opinion and input is much more valid than mine


i could attempt the same thing in photoshop with the brush and marquee tools, and make it look like a vector, but it wouldnt be a vector since it is raster art. then it'd be a digital painting.
digital paintings have been accepted and have won in skotw in the past

what i dont understand is why you accept digital paintings but not vector art...

Beacuase digital painting in essence, is a painting. Again I repeat that the term Sketch is used rather loosely (SW made it as a pun at SOTW), and SW used digital painting as entrees and allowed it, but there is nothing stating the validity of a vector. If you check the rule thread, you will realize that the rules are somewhat old.

You have to understand this fact, vectors never entered in SkOTW, those GFX artists found that the graphics stuido and Sig of the Week to be more accurate mediums for them to present their work.

again, Im not trying to bash your work, Im simply trying to find out whether or not it is eligiable in this contest. It's not as if we are trying to make you an outcast here, you are more than welcome to enter SOTW and AOTM.


ETA:
Moe's not an art mod. I cannot see how his definition of "vector" would add any to the topic at hand, so I am assuming you are picking on him, or setting him up for a talk-down.
Hands off the moe, please.

abf is my knight in shining armor!

[abfluvver]

Care to point out these other vectored pictures to us?

Honestly? You do not like the SkOTW rules? Then enter AOTM or SOTW instead, because I sure as hell don't see why you want to continue this argument.

[toonekked]

oh no no im not offended or anything, and i certainly dont mean to come off as rude or just mean about this all but up to this point, i simply do not understand what is happening now, and im trying to understand why the sudden segregation between vector art and digital paintings. theyre both digital art; theyre both graphic art; and to me, they both fit in your odd definition of a "sketch"


if i took my vector now and put it in photoshop, airbrushed the edges of the shapes together... it would look exactly like a digital painting, and therefore would have the same effect as one. it wont also turn into a raster piece.. so actually, yeah it WOULD be a digital painting.


im the admin of an art forum, so this is why im a little gung ho about the technical and traditional aspects of graphic art.

pencil drawings, paintings, and photography have always been categorized under "Classic/Traditional Art" in school, in my forum, and in the workplace (to my experience)

digital paintings, airbrushing, photomanip, and vector art are categorized under digital media.

digital and traditional art are both categorized under graphic art.

Honestly? You do not like the SkOTW rules? Then enter AOTM or SOTW instead, because I sure as hell don't see why you want to continue this argument.

what... is there to like or not like about the skotw rules? they arent specific enough; and thats the problem. there is nothing in the rules at this point that says vector art is not allowed; in fact it specifically includes computer art as an acceptable medium.
its not that i dont like the skotw rules... i dont like this forums skewed version of the classifications of each technical category of art.

[marz76]

Vestor Line art should be allowed, IMO...Most people thinkof vector art with Typography and motion graphics, but it is a valid medium..... Vectorizing work just makes it easier for printing and editing within a process or application.

When creating work in vectors you are creating work similiar to using guash on paper, and that is a very legitmate medium used heavily with graphic designers in the past to do illustrations....

I offer my input and an experienced artist.....

Toon's original entry should be disqualified, but for the lack of original content, and the fact it was original work for SkOTW.

Vector based work should be allowed.

[toonekked]

Vestor Line art should be allowed, IMO...Most people thinkof vector art with Typography and motion graphics, but it is a valid medium..... Vectorizing work just makes it easier for printing and editing within a process or application.

When creating work in vectors you are creating work similiar to using guash on paper, and that is a very legitmate medium used heavily with graphic designers in the past to do illustrations....

I offer my input and an experienced artist.....

Toon's original entry should be disqualified, but for the lack of original content, and the fact it was original work for SkOTW.

Vector based work should be allowed.

i really appreciate your input, and i do understand your perspective. (which is why i offered to vector a photo of myself). i may not agree, but i respect your opinion at this point, on both topics.

[furious styles]

Can I express my entry via interpretive dance?

[toonekked]

well it says any medium, lol.

[abfluvver]

Toon's original entry should be disqualified, but for the lack of original content, and the fact it was original work for SkOTW.
That was the entire point of this argument in the first place (somehow it got off on a tangent).
Vectors allowed? Sure why not.
Vectors of already existing works (including pictures of models)? No no no x58738.

[mow]

Marz, I already revoked toon's entree.

[marz76]

Can I express my entry via interpretive dance?


Hell

Lord of the Dance!!! Oh the Do the Robot!

i really appreciate your input, and i do understand your perspective. (which is why i offered to vector a photo of myself). i may not agree, but i respect your opinion at this point, on both topics.

No prob, but the issue alot of people will have is the copy of a photo.....
I can understand both sides of the arguement, but most artist on this forum still do not know about the various media, or have experience using those media........

I checked you work do you have any sketches or rough work?

This is the essence of SkOTW

[basiK]

loving your entry marz :clap

[Mack]

And please take the time to actully open myne and not just look at the tumbnail.

[basiK]

yes its nice mack, but i dont think neji is a merman >.>
Unless you got some shocking spoliers to tell me.

[toonekked]

i do have a lot of sketches, but i just moved into a new place and i cant find my scanner in all these boxes just yet. ive been working from a laptop for the past two weeks.

[Mack]

yes its nice mack, but i dont think neji is a merman >.>
Unless you got some shocking spoliers to tell me.

I dont understand how u got merman from neji....U musnt watch naruto much or watch too much merman shows....

[Jadeedge]

Here's my two cents on this HOT AS HELL debate:

i think you guys are confusing terminology. "medium" refers to the tools you use to create art i.e. pen, pencil, brush, tablet, PC, plaster, camera, clay, etc. "format" is the classification of the piece via how it was created i.e. photography, raster/pixel, vector, drawing, painting, etc.

i am also a professional in the field of artwork/illustration/design and i don't really understand pieces of your arguement, toonekkid. i know the difficulty and the challenges of working soley digital. i personally work with Photoshop, Illustrator, Streamline, Painter, OpenCanvas, InDesign, and many other industry-standard programs everyday. so, i can appreciate your candor and your argument of flagging vector as a valid piece. but, i feel like you are missing the heart of SotW... it's not a big deal. it's just a friendly competition between us artists that frequent the NF Art threads. we do quick sketches and fast paintings to vie for the top every week. there's no real rivalry or hard feelings. i love these guys/girls! (except DOK, he's a bitch! :P ) it gives me a break from all the other countless work hours i spend in front of this stupid monitor. so, posting something that took an ENTIRE DAY'S WORK is not only excessive and overkill, but it makes me wonder about just how you can AFFORD to spend THAT much time on a measly SotW??

i've been a professional illustrator and graphic designer for 3 years. i have a BA, and i've done my share of grunt work in this field. and it's completely beyond me to waste an entire day that could be spent on a client for something that isn't going to help further my career! most of the stuff i do for companies has a 2 -3 week turnaround time (and that's for the HARD stuff!) they want perfection and they want it FAST! *sigh* i'm sorry... but i just feel like you don't get it.

no hard feelings, though... okeydokey?? :tem

[basiK]

I dont understand how u got merman from neji....U musnt watch naruto much or watch too much merman shows....
Well the topic is mer-folk. =\

[raynarose]

I dont understand how u got merman from neji....U musnt watch naruto much or watch too much merman shows....

Did you mean to post your drawing in the AOTM? Because in Skotw we have different topics each week. This weeks topic is Mer-folk (aka Mermaids/Mermen). You posted a drawing of Neji? That has nothing to do with Mer-folk in the slightest. Its a nice sketch... but the rules say that it needs to be related somehow to the topic. I think you got confused. Maybe it would be better posted in the artist gallery or something?


As for the vector argument going on... i can feel it sucking the fun out of skotw :sad

[Skoemie]

Originally Posted by Mack
I dont understand how u got merman from neji....U musnt watch naruto much or watch too much merman shows....

Well because every SKOTW has his own topic the posted drawing has got to do something with this topic... since your new here I think you thought it's a place where everyone just dumps theyr new sketches and people vote for what they like best... but it's not...

The topic idea is to awaken creativitie for the ones who enter and so they can test theyr skills with things they wouldend have thought off if the situation was different and that is the fun part of SKOTW

[clockwork]

STOP SUCKING THE FUN OUT OF US!!!!

stick to the fucking topic!!!!

No one really defined "sketch" for us so let's not fucking worry!!!

alhtugoh in my oipnoin vctoers aer mroe grphaic-y

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/Clockwork_nin/skotyw.gif

[toonekked]

i've been a professional illustrator and graphic designer for 3 years. i have a BA, and i've done my share of grunt work in this field. and it's completely beyond me to waste an entire day that could be spent on a client for something that isn't going to help further my career! most of the stuff i do for companies has a 2 -3 week turnaround time (and that's for the HARD stuff!) they want perfection and they want it FAST! *sigh* i'm sorry... but i just feel like you don't get it.

no hard feelings, though... okeydokey?? :tem

excuse me?

i wont go there with you. dont assume things about me and whether i do or do not "get it." you dont know what my professional history or experience consists of; you dont know how fast my productivity is (usually a day to three days, and...thats for "hard stuff.") the one month thing im doing is a webzine that isnt due to come out till october; there will be approximately 29 pages (pending more pages to accomodate more articles and topics of interest); each page has its own layout, and me and a friend of mine are programming a feedback tool in coldfusion for the same project. im perfectly aware of what people want and how fast they want it...

least of all... you dont know me, what my current situation is, and why i choose to and can "waste an entire day that could be spent on a client for something that isn't going to help further my career" (hmm maybe because there was a death in the family, i just moved across the country, and im waiting on heart surgery possibly for next month), and why i CHOSE to spend an entire days work one vector is because it interests me in, believe it or not, a non-professional way. art is my passion not just my job. my real job is as a music and dance teacher.

whether you agree with my opinion or not is your prerogative but dont attempt to describe what i do or do not get about the professional world. you dont know me professionally; you sure as hell dont know me personally; you dont even know my name, so do NOT go there with me.


no hard feelings? sorry if i was still offended by your totally unnecessary and unwarranted remark.

[DOK]

wow, didnt mean for things to this far :noworry
BAD DOKE BAD!!! :modsmack

[Skoemie]

Don't you guys love a gurl when she is angry?

[DOK]

its "Girl". and no, i dont like angry women.

[Mack]

its "Girl". and no, i dont like angry women.
Agreed, quite scary.

And Skoemie, I didn't need your back up post. I see I made a mistake and raynarose pointed it out clear enough 3 hours before you.
Sorry folks, you may disreguard my sketchizms.

[Norb]

How did we get Neji from mer people again? >_>

[Mack]

How did we get Neji from mer people again? >_>
Ok Ok, I was extremely drunk when I came home from a pub and I didn't realize that it was about mer-things. :jir_thumb

[DOK]

wow 0_0
That Kisame is pricelesss :thumbs

[abfluvver]

excuse me?

i wont go there with you. dont assume things about me and whether i do or do not "get it." you dont know what my professional history or experience consists of; you dont know how fast my productivity is (usually a day to three days, and...thats for "hard stuff.") the one month thing im doing is a webzine that isnt due to come out till october; there will be approximately 29 pages (pending more pages to accomodate more articles and topics of interest); each page has its own layout, and me and a friend of mine are programming a feedback tool in coldfusion for the same project. im perfectly aware of what people want and how fast they want it...

least of all... you dont know me, what my current situation is, and why i choose to and can "waste an entire day that could be spent on a client for something that isn't going to help further my career" (hmm maybe because there was a death in the family, i just moved across the country, and im waiting on heart surgery possibly for next month), and why i CHOSE to spend an entire days work one vector is because it interests me in, believe it or not, a non-professional way. art is my passion not just my job. my real job is as a music and dance teacher.

whether you agree with my opinion or not is your prerogative but dont attempt to describe what i do or do not get about the professional world. you dont know me professionally; you sure as hell dont know me personally; you dont even know my name, so do NOT go there with me.


no hard feelings? sorry if i was still offended by your totally unnecessary and unwarranted remark.

Jadeedge was being polite. You are over-reacting to everything.

SkOTW is about having fun. It's silly. We are definitely not serious. The worst argument we had here before you came along didn't even involve a SkOTW member

Drop it. There was nothing offensive about Jadeedge's post. JE was just telling you to relax. No one here really cares how long you spend on a piece, just the result. Hard work here usually is beaten by quick scribbles, in all seriousness--and I'm not discouraging hard work. It's just that I've been in SkOTW for the beginning, and having catfights about every little fucking thing is definitely not worth it.

I could go on and on with the things that are wrong with this contest that I see weekly (sketches that have nothing to do with the topic, old sketches being submitted, people ripping poses, the ever-dreadful grudge-voting), but I don't, because it is a silly little contest and it doesn't really matter to me that much.

Relax. Take a deep breath.


Clocky is right. The fun is being sucked out. ):

[Feathers!]

awe man, in just 24hours an entry was revoked and Neji grew gills... well for the record heres my 2 cents,

anyone should be able to enter skotw with their artwork, gfx or otherwise... if you dont like the entry dont vote for it. SOTW restricts the size of your piece so this is a suitable venue... i didnt really read the other essay long posts in their entirety but i did read Clock's... lets have fun.

[DOK]

But the thing was that it broke one of the most important rules.
"Must be a new sketch for SKOTW"
so yah.....

[Feathers!]

But the thing was that it broke one of the most important rules.
"Must be a new sketch for SKOTW"
so yah.....
so it would have been allowed if it was just done for skotw... because it thought it was a media controversy...

[Jadeedge]

Jadeedge was being polite. You are over-reacting to everything.

SkOTW is about having fun. It's silly. We are definitely not serious. The worst argument we had here before you came along didn't even involve a SkOTW member

Drop it. There was nothing offensive about Jadeedge's post. JE was just telling you to relax. No one here really cares how long you spend on a piece, just the result. Hard work here usually is beaten by quick scribbles, in all seriousness--and I'm not discouraging hard work. It's just that I've been in SkOTW for the beginning, and having catfights about every little fucking thing is definitely not worth it.

I could go on and on with the things that are wrong with this contest that I see weekly (sketches that have nothing to do with the topic, old sketches being submitted, people ripping poses, the ever-dreadful grudge-voting), but I don't, because it is a silly little contest and it doesn't really matter to me that much.

Relax. Take a deep breath.


Clocky is right. The fun is being sucked out. ):
i effing love you!! marry me now you sexy beast!
i'm now off to draw mermaids!!! *sketchysketchy*

[Toiletnojutsu]

So.... :kblush

The kisame owns .

[mow]

CHILLAX PPL >[
Go get high, it would solve everything.

[rokkudaime]

seems like there has been quite a commotion while i was sleeping. everyone relax. SkOtw is supposed to be fun

[DOK]

Blam it all on DOK he started this whole mess.

=X

[KizuChan]

Honestly, everyone has busy lives toonekked.

You vector art is pretty Ive seen your websites which also are just as astonishing but ABF is right, its just a silly contest.

^.^

and DOK I think your funny no matter what anyone else says lol

[DOK]

o.0

I gave you 6 green bars :nuts

[Dezalanel]

Alright I am mostly a ghoster and post occasionly here on NF and I observe the SkOTW topics a lot. I feel the need to say, lay off toon! My god the reason she is being so defensive is because you guys are all attacking her in like every post.

[Skoemie]

We aint atacking we are saying what we think and even say how much we love her art

[Jadeedge]

mmm... mermaids are shmexyness. *makes attempt to change the subject back to happy SotW days*

[DOK]

Look! a Naked mermaid!
Go chase it!

*Dives into ocean*

[abfluvver]

Entry's about to go up. :O

[mow]

:spaz:spaz.

*puts down his lemonade in prepartion for laughter*

[abfluvver]

It's not funny. ):
MOE YOU ARE PUTTING PRESSURE ON ME.
Mermaids aren't funny anyways.

[Ame]

Wow... I love the new entries... raynarose has my vote for sure...

[mow]

Gomen ;_;

But it's mesmerzing. I'm a sucker for soft hues.

And mermaids can be funny :mad

[DOK]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/dakdrips/merfolk1.jpg

No, i did NOT draw that. :notrust

[KizuChan]

total score on the bars....

sadly I had to ask JadeEdge what bars were.. I knew I was sleeping with him for somthing.

[clockwork]

Ok Ok, I was extremely drunk when I came home from a pub and I didn't realize that it was about mer-things. :jir_thumb
Suuuurree you were


And I'm glad people read my answer to the 3 pages of vector/neji/something rambling. I think it sums it up. Leave us alone and leave eachother alone.

and go make art

[Mack]

Hisssssssssss. Gigidy.

[Feathers!]

Alright I am mostly a ghoster and post occasionly here on NF and I observe the SkOTW topics a lot.

Please post some art every once and a while Dezalanel. Thank you very much for being a supporter of the Skotw... voting sometime would be excellent as well. :tem

[DOK]

total score on the bars....

sadly I had to ask JadeEdge what bars were.. I knew I was sleeping with him for somthing.

only gave you 2 this time /_\

[Dragonzair]

ummm

wow..i was gone for three days and...um...yeah this happens :sweatdrop

anyway, I'm gonna post my entry soon, and, it was the day before i went to school so i was feeling depressed and all so the entry's not as amazing as i wanted it to be. :scry
but, i had no time to make a new one because of school *cries again* bad school...


I HATE SCHOOL! I HATE YOU! I EFING HATE YOU!!!
YOU EFFING TOOK MY TIME AWAY FROM THE FORUMS! :scry Uh wah...i'm missing soo much :cryingI'm tired! I hate homework too :scry I cant understand the teachers with their thick accent *dies* My bag's heavy, i'm turning into a hunchback...

i think i'll go take a knife and poke my eye balls out now.

forgive me for my ranting, but i just had to let it out somehow.

[edit]

T_T
all you're entries are soo amazing...i feel like a dork...damn.

O.o what's with Neji tho? I mean it's obvious he's a mermaid but where's his tail/fins, man?

J/K
don't kill me, neji fans, I love him!!

[Ame]

Agh... just started working on my entry...hehe... crap... T_T

[Dragonzair]

I'm waiting to see it :amuse

[rokkudaime]

i have to finish mine tonight coz i got school tomorrow

[Jadeedge]

gonna finish mine as soon as i get home from work! it's kinda mer-maid related-ish... :sweat

[warning! me being a bitch....]
i WAS gonna do it in vector, but decided against it... OOOH BURN!!! :reject

[KizuChan]

[warning me pwning]

Can you even do vector huni?

OH BURN!!!


:smile-big DOK! I gave you rep back, I think. Whatever I did I tried really hard.

[Jadeedge]

[warning me pwning]

Can you even do vector huni?

OH BURN!!!
umm... that wasn't a "burn". that was a "lame". big difference...
...douchebag

[DOK]

:smile-big DOK! I gave you rep back, I think. Whatever I did I tried really hard.

Much appreciated.:amuse

[Mack]

Dosn't any1 agree that SkOTW should be pencil and paper made.

[rokkudaime]

^ever since the start, the founder has used digital painting to enter.

[DOK]

Ima draw it on paper this time.

[Jadeedge]

*phew* just finished!!
i <3 surfer girls!

why should it make a bit of difference whether we work on a tablet or parchment? all digital is, to me, is less messy. (oil paints make my head all wonky...)

[marz76]

Wow I must admit, this is probably the strongest group of entries thus far.

[Jadeedge]

^ i put a little extra in mine simply cause nobody bad-mouths my SotW people!!!! :rant

we're a smeggin' posse, dammit!! :jounins

[Dynamic Dragon]

hi pple, im bck... i think oO
o about the poll?
i disagree with photomanipulation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no, that is not art! its manipulating art!
and.... a photo isnt even art or a sketch XD

if its gonna be foto manipulating, then i guess they shud be entering the other SkoTW in the digital thread. not this. this shud be pure art from mind.

[Feathers!]

a photo isnt even art

:sad what do you mean?

[Skoemie]

Ey DD nice for you to drop in... but we were discussing vector and not manipulation... I voted no (sorry toonekked) because i thought she scan't in a picture runs a program and within seconds she was donne... so i voted without knowing a thing... but still I like things that are drawn with hand or in a program like artpad (k'mon that is a sketch)

[Dynamic Dragon]

:sad what do you mean?

im sure u do knw wat i mean. do u draw or paint photographs? no. u use a camera.

[Jadeedge]

im sure u do knw wat i mean. do u draw or paint photographs? no. u use a camera.
no offense... but it sounds like you haven't spent any time in a darkroom. :P
photography IS an art form! it takes skill and training just like traditional artwork does. i felt this arguement was more or less about what boundaries are do be taken into consideration when submitting. i think that vector should be allowed. and, to an extent... it is! look at the majority Ame's stuff. (i <3 teh Ame!!) that's pretty blatant vector (if not, then it's at LEAST the pen tool!) but the difference in Ame vs. toonekkid is that toon almost directly replicated a previous pose/photo. i'm all for the use of reference material... but that was just plain copy-catting. i'm not saying that either of them don't have talent! of course not. but i felt toon's entry lacked any sort of creative license. AND it was done BEFORE the the "mer-folk" topic was even announced! doesn't that defeat the purpose of a "weekly variety?"

my point through this WHOLE thing is that any "medium" (the tools you use to make your artwork) should be acceptable. but the end result should have some degree of originality and be relative to the topic of the week. as for the art "form" (drawing, painting, sculpture, assemblage, photograph, etc.) should be layed out by the mods to prevent further confusion.

i swear this is my LAST post on this subject!! :nerve

[Dynamic Dragon]

yes i have actually! i have a very expensive camera. and i do photography! and trust me even i as an artist dont think fotography is art. its just a picture taken with sumthing.

and to elaborate medium, it means medium u use to do ur SKETCH thats y its called SKETCH of the week, not VECTOR/PHOTO/RENDER of the week, you dont use a camera to draw lines OO
or do u

and besides im entitled to my own opinion. i already voted for 'no' so im sticking with it.:wink

[Jadeedge]

to elaborate medium, it means medium u use to do ur SKETCH thats y its called SKETCH of the week, not VECTOR/PHOTO/RENDER of the week, you dont use a camera to draw lines OO
or do u

and besides im entitled to my own opinion. i already voted for 'no' so im sticking with it.:wink
look... everyone is WAY freaking sick of this topic and it's bleeding out the fun of SkotW. i highly doubt someone will ever submit a photo in leau of a real hand-drawn piece of artwork. "Vector" is defined as:
"The representation of separate shapes such as lines, polygons and text, and groups of such objects, as opposed to bitmaps. The advantage of vector graphics ("drawing") programs over bitmap ("paint") editors is that multiple overlapping elements can be manipulated independently without using different layers for each one. It is also easier to render an object at
different sizes and to transform it in other ways without worrying about image resolution and pixels." so yes. it IS a viable medium. but some people's abuse and mis-translation of the medium is what CAUSED this mess in the first place!!! and if all "vector" is eliminated, there goes clean line-art for most of us... i voted for no too, but i think the MODS need to take all aspects into consideration.

i'm SICK of people fighting about this!!! can we PLEASE just effing drop it and get back to having fun!?!?

[Dynamic Dragon]

now now... i ddnt start this arguement. i just explained myelf on why i chose no for an answer, then every1 started bombarding me with all these stuff oO

so yeah, lets stop this :D
lets have more 'joy'

[Jadeedge]

now now... i ddnt start this arguement. i just explained myelf on why i chose no for an answer, then every1 started bombarding me with all these stuff oO

so yeah, lets stop this :D
lets have more 'joy'
*hugs teh DD*
whooohooo!!! i'll buy the first round! :beer
no hard feelings, right d00d??

[Dynamic Dragon]

no no none at all ^^
*huggles back* XDDD glad i got that of my hair XDDD

[mow]

Photography is art. It's not merely a picture snapshot. Photographers require a great deal of skill and vision to capture a precise moment of time and feeling, and that can be incredibly elusive. Taking the right shot can take hours upon hours. It requires as much effort and vision as painting.

and this isnt an argument, just a general chitchat between us all =]

[raynarose]

Dosn't any1 agree that SkOTW should be pencil and paper made.

I agree that that is the closest thing to an actual "sketch"... but some people (like me!) lack the all important scanner or even a digital camera to take a picture of sketches. So i just stick to oekaki and paintchat for my entries. But its fine cuz its all in fun. ^.^

[Gator]

..darn...i completley forgot to enter >( srry =(

[Feathers!]

Photography is art. It's not merely a picture snapshot. Photographers require a great deal of skill and vision to capture a precise moment of time and feeling, and that can be incredibly elusive. Taking the right shot can take hours upon hours. It requires as much effort and vision as painting.

and this isnt an argument, just a general chitchat between us all =]

Thank you very much moe, I couldnt have said it better myself. Respect should be given to photographers as artists. Agree or not they are artists. This is a good discussion...

[Dragonzair]

:omg

err, sorry for the delay i caused :sweatdrop
I have no idea what to do with my photobucket account, and i only saw the pm now. REallllll sorry, once again. Oh, dialup and school sucks.


if anyone doesnt mind, what do i do to my photobucket account now?

[DOK]

?

You uploa pics? *lost*

[Haruka]

Damn.. Merfolk suck.

[Ame]

Thank you very much moe, I couldnt have said it better myself. Respect should be given to photographers as artists. Agree or not they are artists. This is a good discussion...

Agreed... and some people (like me) spend a long time in dark rooms which don't smell too good and with mild chemical burns on their hands just to develop film... Developing techniques are also a part of Photography...so that's taking good shots, and getting lucky in the dark room... :tem Photography Rocks.

Anyway, back to SkOTW... awesome entries... ^_^ Vote vote vote....:laugh

[mow]

Example of dedicated photography

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7990/wonderfulworld2zw.jpg

A guy took this pic in Aussie land. It took him 5 film rolls and 3 days just to get this single snipet. And it's divine to say the least. Photographers keen eyes are unmatched by any other in the art world.

[Skoemie]

Of topic: OMGWTFBBQ I just looked at the self potrets and Abf your hot :P wanna date?

On Topic: Let's shut the F*ck up about photmanipulation and vector art oke... i just had enough of it... (sorry for flaming) Oke I just voted a while ago and it seems like I will remain voteless once again... so that means next time I have to work hard (or make some friends... :D)

[Dragonzair]

@Moe: Now that, is amazing....

[raynarose]

*jumping on the skotw-sig bandwagon*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/raynarose/Random/skotw.jpg

I only used people who were in this weeks Skotw... and i shouldve put someone for the kitty... but i didnt notice him until now XD

Anyone can use it btw.

[Feathers!]

On Topic: Let's shut the F*ck up about photmanipulation and vector art oke... i just had enough of it... (sorry for flaming) Oke I just voted a while ago and it seems like I will remain voteless once again... so that means next time I have to work hard (or make some friends... :D)
We were discussing the credibility of photography as an art form. its interesting when skotw-ers input something constructive. In a good way.

[Skoemie]

^^ yeah I know but I had enoug of it for a sec... and yeah it realy is art.

and sorry but aint it better to make a sig without the names of some of the artists it's, not because I am not on it cause simply I don't care... but it could be that some people think they are not in to it and or behind just because they ain't in the sig. Or people can think that it's a closed club or something I don't know :D

[Jadeedge]

Agreed... and some people (like me) spend a long time... (cut for innuendo) ...getting lucky in the dark room... :tem Photography Rocks.
*flashbacks to art college...*

...:headscrat

...:omg

......:jk ...:redface ...:pleased

:jir_thumb OH YEAH!!! darkrooms rule! i've got some KRAAAZY stories to tell!! :spaz

[Skoemie]

Jadeedge eehmmm... was she hot/cute? (don't tell me that wassent what you ment

[rokkudaime]

*jumping on the skotw-sig bandwagon*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/raynarose/Random/skotw.jpg

I only used people who were in this weeks Skotw... and i shouldve put someone for the kitty... but i didnt notice him until now XD

Anyone can use it btw.
go!! chichiri!!

[Gator]

Example of dedicated photography

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7990/wonderfulworld2zw.jpg

A guy took this pic in Aussie land. It took him 5 film rolls and 3 days just to get this single snipet. And it's divine to say the least. Photographers keen eyes are unmatched by any other in the art world.
=)

I love photography....I made this one yesterday..the view from my window

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3476/p90302672jb.jpg


:amuse


ps: srry for the size :sweatdrop

[Reivyn]

=)

I love photography....I made this one yesterday..the view from my window

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3476/p90302672jb.jpg



Oh wow.. that's awesome! I love it when the sun is directly behind the tree.. <3 and that spiral staircase is really cool..

My b/f is taking a photography class this year, whithin another program.. the poor guy dosn't have an artistic bone in his body tho.. = . =;

[mow]

oh Ghizzle that's enchanting! I have a very VERY soft sot for red hues ^.^. Lovely piece, the aliment of the sun just behind the tree gives such a dazzling effect. It's now my BG :amuse.

Do share some more =D

[Gator]

:D I will..once i have more :sweatdrop

and i'm honored that it's your BG now :)

[rokkudaime]

that is a nice one ghizz!