Davy Back I - R1M9 - Sajin vs Candy

[Sajin]

Davy Back I - R1M9

1. Vote clearly on the victor. You must state a reason why you feel that team would win. Your vote is voided if: You don't have a reason stated, you have less than 100 posts (unless it is decided differently), and if you don't put I vote for: (Participant Name here) at the end of your post.

2. Only 1 vote allowed. If later you are persuaded by someone and choose to vote for the other person, then only that vote will count.

3. No filler abilities, none period.

4. No character hype, yes Kenpachi is fucking awesome, but please try and be serious and just go off their skills

5. Experience of fighting WITH or AGAINST character's are in play. (eg Soi Fon and Yoruichi Shihōin will work well together) EXPERIENCE IS ONLY IN AFFECT FROM CHAPTER 377 AND BEFORE (this will be updated for each tournament hereafter).

6. There is no prep time. But your characters have unlimited time before a match where they can discuss strategy and share knowledge etc. But no actions may be taken before a match.

7. The Incharacter Rule:
Characters will do their best to follow a strategy. They will happily attack the enemy (even Pesche Guatiche and Dondochakka Bilstin will attack Neliel Tu Oderschvank if she is the enemy). Characters have no fear (Marechiyo Ōmaeda will not run away unless directed to). When left with nothing to do and no guidelines, characters will behave incharacter as they would do in the manga.

8. If caught bribing for votes or cheating (making aliases), you will be disqualified from the tournament.

9. A strategy cannot plan for things the characters have no knowledge of. For example, a team cannot plan for Zommari Leroux's Amor if no one on that players team has knowledge of it.

10. If both combatants have equal votes after 72 hours the match will be extended by 24 hours. If the winner of the match has not been determined after the 24 hour extension, the match will go into sudden death, next vote wins. If a single combatant hasn't posted his/her strategy within 48 hours of the match starting, they are disqualified for not supplying a strategy within reasonable a time for the match to be fairely debated. If both combatants haven't posted their strategy within 48 hours of the match starting they are both disqualified.

11. If combatant X has read combatant Y's strategy and posted a direct counter strategy, combatant X is disqualified for poor sportsmanship. Combatants are not allowed to read the others strategy until both strategies have been posted. It is recommended that the first strategy to be posted is in spoiler tags to avoid any accidental reading.

Location: Dome of Los Noches - Short

Refer to the Bleach Tournament Battledome Information Thread (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=520373) for details regarding rules and restrictions, character abilities, locations and starting distances


Sajin
Turbohorde

Grimmjow Jeagerjaques (unreleased) (38)
Zommari Leroux (unreleased) (20)
Uryu Ishida (no Final Form) (16)

vs

Candy
Hype Hype baby ~

Yoruichi Shihōin (46)
Byakuya Kuchiki (shikai) (24)
Nnirge Parduoc (4)

[squilliam]

oh snap, this looks close - but I definitely give Sajin the add

[nick1689]

Candy can win this fairly easily by using Byakuya correctly

[squilliam]

Candy can win this fairly easily by using Byakuya correctly

using binding? I don't see what you're getting at

edit: oh, nvm, did you possibly mean using dual-substitution-no-jutsu?

[Sajin]

Candy can win this fairly easily by using Byakuya correctly

There is no way for Candy to win this fairly easily

Damn, why the heck did I read the spoiler? :facepalm DQ me or something, I should kill myself with the nearest wall.

[nick1689]

Lol sajin, the point of the spoiler tags is so the contestants dont look. Not that it matters though, prob didnt need a tag for that

[Sajin]

I know, I was just used to reading them in the previous matches + excited about new replies that came :facepalm Sigh. Guess I should submit a strat quickly this time, just in case.

[nick1689]

It doesnt matter, I didnt even really have to spoiler it, it's more of a habit

[BlackSmoke]

I taught Sajin everything I know about Grimmballs, GOOD LUCK CANDY :hehee

[e697]

The Yuroichi Byakuya combo vs. Grimjow+Ishida. Repeat of our semifinal Black smoke. The difference is Grim is unreleased now.

[Sajin]

The difference is that smart Zommari has switched teams :pimp

[Brandon Heat]

Do I see an early exit for our T1 champion? :hurr

[Sajin]

No, you probably read the teams the wrong way :oh

[Franky]

Candy's banned from the computer.:-(

Will you all kill me if I post his strat for him and don't vote?:-(

He'll be back in time to argue, but not before 48 hours are up, can you guys maybe delay it or something?

[e697]

I will kill you regardless. So you may as well.

[nick1689]

He just voted in your OPBD match :wha

As long as he made the strat, you can post it for him. And I wont be convinced it's his unless there are alot of spelling and grammatical errors :LOS

[Sajin]

Candy's banned from the computer.:-(

Will you all kill me if I post his strat for him and don't vote?:-(

He'll be back in time to argue, but not before 48 hours are up, can you guys maybe delay it or something?

You can post his strat for him I guess.

Actually, screw that. I'd settle on a win by DQ :hurr

No, but seriously, you can post

[Franky]

He just voted in your OPBD match :wha

As long as he made the strat, you can post it for him. And I wont be convinced it's his unless there are alot of spelling and grammatical errors :LOS

He got banned and didn't know this was up. He hasn't been working on his work from school and his parents said he can't get on. I called him and asked him to vote before he got taken off the comp.

[Brandon Heat]

As long as he writes it, that's fine.

[Franky]

ok. He said he MIGHT be able to post it in the morning.

If he can't, then I'll get it from him tommorow afternoon.

[BlackSmoke]

I will kill you regardless. So you may as well.

lawls

All GJ unreleased needs to do to win against Yoruchi....is stick his sword in her :):P:):P:):P:):P

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

Candy has the advantage imo.

[Candy]

CANDAY IS BACK FOR ABOUT AN HOUR :obama


My set brings epic win to this thread



)_______--


checking in, Ill try to post my strat within an hour, thats all the time I have. My ban on computer might be lifted tonite, im not to sure

[Candy]

Ill try to type it to-nite

[Sajin]

Knowledge:

Yoruichi - some
Byakuya - full
Nnirge - ...

Grimmjow - none
Zommari - full
Uryu - some

Strategy:

First of all, a small note - We have knowledge of Utsusemi from Zommari. We can also easily assume Yoruichi can have it since Byakuya mentioned "that woman" to Zommari and the info we have on Yoruichi from Grimm and Uryu makes her a possible candidate to this position. Basic PIS/CIS etc is off, meaning we don't just stand there and watch the enemy as they release, don't waste time on useless chat, are serious, etc etc.

Grimmjow immediately fires a GRC. Targeting Byakuya is preferrable, however if he stays at the back but Yoruichi blitzes or w/e, Grimm may switch priority if he so desires. Zommari also fires a Cero while Ishida forms his bow and shoots 1200 consecutive arrows at enemy Byakuya.

After a GRC, Grimmjow attacks Yoruichi while Zommari and Uryu double team Byakuya. Grimmjow will actively utilize mini-Ceros he used in his final fight against Ichigo, but still preferrably fights with his sword for greater range. We try not to move away a large distance from the other battle. Uryu will try the usual 1200 arrows per second, or he may use Seele Schneiders or Licht Regen if the opportunity arises. If Byakuya decides to run away at one point and come back later, then Ishida will be peppering him with arrows from the back while Zommari goes to help Grimmjow. When Ishida feels Byakuya is coming back and he's in danger of being killed very soon, he calls Zommari back and they double team him again.

Nnirge Parduoc... Uryu can shoot him along the way, I guess, or he gets caught into a GRC and dies. Meh.

Once we've won one of the fights, we go help our comrades.

Why is this going to work?

Well, as you can remember, Yoruichi has problems with Hierro. Without shunko, she broke her hand and leg on unreleased Yammy's Hierro (and Grimm knows that) which bankai Ichigo cut like butter (and even Loli managed to pierce IIRC); it goes without saying Grimm's is leagues better, if you still do not believe me, look at this:

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/211/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/211/06/

Also, he tanked 2 Vizard Getsugas from Ichigo, yet still had enough power to defeat relatively fresh bankai Ichigo the second time they fought. His durability is A LOT better than Yoruichi's.

He may also do something like this (http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/278/12/) to Yoruichi's shunko using his mini-Ceros. Doing so should noticeably damage them both, but as I said, it's mostly beneficial to Grimmjow because of the difference in durability.

As for Yoruichi, in addition to not being able to defeat base Yammy with no shunko she is also far from being in her prime. For instance, she was noticeably slower than Soi Fon before she went shunko in their respective fight since she was unable to run away and kept getting stabbed in the back with Suzumebachi. It's also thought that she owned her after shunko, well, this may be the case, but you have to take into account that Soi Fon wasn't quite emotionally stable at this point, to learn that the technique she just discovered and thought of as her trademark skill was already invented by Yoruichi of all people. She also broke into tears, so it's hardly questionable if her combat ability was at her highest at that point. Anyway, in terms of speed Yoruichi hardly >>> Grimmjow because Grimmjow >> SS Arc bankai Ichigo in it.

All in all, Uryu and Zommari should be done with Byakuya before Yoruichi can defeat Grimmjow. Even if she does that, she would most likely have broken her arms and legs, so we can still be able to defeat her in that state.

[Candy]

now im under all kinds of presure. Ill strat to type it now

[Candy]

HYPE HYPE BABY~


Knowledge:
zommari: full
Grimm: almost none
Ishida: none


Prep: Full knowledge share, no CIS PIS. My charactres will attack when they are doing nothing. theyw ont sit there doing nothing, they will be moving and doing something at all times.

Strategy:

Byakuya: Cand anyone say hado:33? becuase thats hwat im useing at the very start of the match. this tech will be used as a distraction and a blitz preventre, and to block LOS. After Hado:33 byakuya will use his shikai(whihc takes less then a second to activate, all he needs to say is the name of his SS) useing his shikai he will attack ishida, he will be useing his hands when he can. On the other hand he will be avoiding attacks useing shunpo while he does attacks with his shikai. If he sees the chance he will bind someone, he will be spamming kido spells all over the team when he sees the chance.

Tek notice that he is not going to be passive, he is going to be expremly agresive. He wont just be all cocky like he was in the manga, he will be shunpoing all over the place attacking and dodgeing attacks at all times.

He will avoid yoru's shunko if possible

yoruichi: she will Lower her reiatsu so that the other team wont notice her at all. she is al black ops captain thsi is what she is trained to do, and aginst the ceros and kido spells im sending off they wont notice me at all.

She will go beind sajins team and shunko. lolz owned. but really they have no way to avoid it, it has a massive AOE and they have zero knowledge of it. Her main aim if she cant hit the whole team is grimm.(Let me get this strait, yoruichi > grimm in speed) Just to be sure she will shunko grimm multiple times. the is no way grimm can avoid that esspesially if im sneaking behind him. SHUNKOSHUNKOSHUNKOSHUNKOSHUNKOSHUNKOSHUNKOSHUNKOSH UNKOSHUNKOSHUNKOSHUNKOSHUNKOSHUNKOSHUNKO.

If shunko didnt work the first time, try try again.


nirge: Random arrancar, he releases and spams ceros. ishida arrows can most likely not peirce him, zommari can most likey not hurt him very much (no streagh feats)


Cleanup/Stuff:

After grimm is dead my team will prceed to whoop the rest of sajins team via speed blitz.


What Ifs:

Q: shunko uses up to much chakra noob!
A: not really, she showed no strain when she used the gigantic shunko, and there is no proof that she runs out of shunko energy since she cassually blasts them off. But if for some reason she might run out she will uise them sparringly.

Q: grimm find out about yoruichi
A: this is not happening, but if it did SHUNKO anyway. (note she will be getting in a good posistion if she deems neccecary.

Q: lolz, byakuya can avoid zommari and ishida
A: on the contrary, byakuya was doing very well vs zommari with one leg, and hes an expert shunpoer. Plus with the covering fire from the ceros from nirrge, ill be able to at least keep sajin team at bay by the time yoruichig shunkos.

Q: ima bais vote you
A: have fun getting negged and your vote canceled :thumbs

Q: the rest
A: Ill cover in rebuts which I dont have time for





Good luck sajin. If you beat win the tournament, it makes my record look better :thumbs

[Sajin]

Candy... um... I don't even now where to start... I thought I'm the master of baseless wank :-( Oh well.

- Give me one good reason why Ishida's arrows won't pierce a Fraccion who got owned by OMAEDA.
- Give me one good reason why we won't be able to see Yoruichi on an adjacent pillar at short and why will Grimmjow let her go behind us and shunko there.

Now for some other points.

- Hadou 33 will fail because Ishida arrow spams Byauya from the start, and even if it succeeds Zommari Cero cancels it out and GRC kills/ severely wounds Byakuya.
- Using Byakuya's shikai was a bad move because it won't decently protect him from both Zommari and Ishida, but Zommari with his Hierro will be able to deal with it much easier than if Byakuya was using his sealed blade.
- Yoruichi does not go shunko from the start => Grimmjow can catch her off guard :edu He rapes her with no shunko, that's for sure.

And yeah, gl to you as well :amuse

[squilliam]

so basically this match starts out with Hado 33 vs. GRC+ Cero + 1200 arrows?

I have a feeling Byakuya dies straight off the bat.....

[Candy]

GRC is banned and it takes prep, im firing off ceros as well

[Candy]

Candy... um... I don't even now where to start... I thought I'm the master of baseless wank :-( Oh well.

- Give me one good reason why Ishida's arrows won't pierce a Fraccion who got owned by OMAEDA.
- Give me one good reason why we won't be able to see Yoruichi on an adjacent pillar at short and why will Grimmjow let her go behind us and shunko there.

Now for some other points.

- Hadou 33 will fail because Ishida arrow spams Byauya from the start, and even if it succeeds Zommari Cero cancels it out and GRC kills/ severely wounds Byakuya.
- Using Byakuya's shikai was a bad move because it won't decently protect him from both Zommari and Ishida, but Zommari with his Hierro will be able to deal with it much easier than if Byakuya was using his sealed blade.
- Yoruichi does not go shunko from the start => Grimmjow can catch her off guard :edu He rapes her with no shunko, that's for sure.

And yeah, gl to you as well :amuse


I told byakuya that he cen dodge when he deems neccecarry :zaru

GRC banned btw

Byakuyas shikai has always done a good job, zommari hasnt shown much heirro.

Youruichi is the master steath and reiatsu conceling, she can sneak up behind you easily and shunko you.

Shes not PIS cIS so she will go shunko right off the bat, my charactres are agreesive as I said.

[Sajin]

I told byakuya that he cen dodge when he deems neccecarry :zaru

Doubt he'll manage to do what while trying to chant kidou and evading Cero + arrows :zaru

GRC banned btw

It is not. Check the abilities list for Grimmjow, we never banned it.

Byakuyas shikai has always done a good job, zommari hasnt shown much heirro.

It only did a good job vs Ganju.

Youruichi is the master steath and reiatsu conceling, she can sneak up behind you easily and shunko you.

Not with LoS and in a completely open location with hardly anything to hide with.

Shes not PIS cIS so she will go shunko right off the bat, my charactres are agreesive as I said.

You made her conceal reiatsu and never told her to go shunko right away, so no.

[Candy]

Doubt he'll manage to do what while trying to chant kidou and evading Cero + arrows :zaru

He doesnt need to chant


It is not. Check the abilities list for Grimmjow, we never banned it.

bull, nick said it was banned


It only did a good job vs Ganju.

Its still a blade and where do you have proof of zommaris heirro


Not with LoS and in a completely open location with hardly anything to hide with.

Shes moving insanely fast and your buzy firing off crap, she can block of her reiatsu esspesially wit you firing off big attacks.




Byakuya isnt stupid, he will move if he sees a giagantic attack stronger then his own being formed



You made her conceal reiatsu and never told her to go shunko right away, so no.[/QUOTE]

[Sajin]

He doesnt need to chant

He has to say "Kido 33, Sokatsui" or w/e it's called.


bull, nick said it was banned

- I never saw it (honest)
- We never voted on it
- Ban's not in the abilities thread anyway.


Its still a blade and where do you have proof of zommaris heirro

I don't have to have proof of Zommari's Hierro just as I don't have to have proof of his Cero. Hierro is reiatsu compacted into a skin, since Zommari has captain level reiatsu it's logical that he should have at least Yammy-level Hierro.


Shes moving insanely fast and your buzy firing off crap, she can block of her reiatsu esspesially wit you firing off big attacks.

We can still see her with our eyes, you know. Not to mention Grimm keeps track of her.


Byakuya isnt stupid, he will move if he sees a giagantic attack stronger then his own being formed

And how do you suggests he dodges everything I throw at him after his reflexes finally made him stop chanting kido?

[Candy]

He has to say "Kido 33, Sokatsui" or w/e it's called.
e can say it pretty fast



- I never saw it (honest)
- We never voted on it
- Ban's not in the abilities thread anyway.
k

I don't have to have proof of Zommari's Hierro just as I don't have to have proof of his Cero. Hierro is reiatsu compacted into a skin, since Zommari has captain level reiatsu it's logical that he should have at least Yammy-level Hierro.
Logical, but, scans or he didnt happen. nop assumptions. there is nothing in the info thread saying all arrancars gets heirro


We can still see her with our eyes, you know. Not to mention Grimm keeps track of her.

Not when youre firng gran ray cero and when im conceling my reistsu. and when crap is going off every which way.

Grimm is buzt firng off gran ray cero

And how do you suggests he dodges everything I throw at him after his reflexes finally made him stop chanting kido?

He can dodge gran ray cero, shunpo of course, how else

[Sajin]

e can say it pretty fast

Well, all the characters in this match-up are relatively fast :zaru Well except for Nnirge :hurr

Logical, but, scans or he didnt happen. nop assumptions. there is nothing in the info thread saying all arrancars gets heirro

All arrancars have Hierro... That's like saying Nnoi can't Sonido. *cough*


Not when youre firng gran ray cero and when im conceling my reistsu. and when crap is going off every which way.

Grimm is buzt firng off gran ray cero

Ok look. I won't even bother arguing about reiatsu sensing because even if Yoruichi can hide her pressure in the midst of these attacks, she can't turn invisible in plain sight. Look at the location again.


He can dodge gran ray cero, shunpo of course, how else

I really wouldn't say Byakuya can dodge 1200 arrows + Cero + GRC while chanting a Hadou spell, but I don't think I can prove you wrong or you have proof of his success, so we can only leave this up to the voters. I'll just remind you that Utsusemi tricks, like our Gemeros Sonido, won't work with knowledge we have.

[Candy]

Well, all the characters in this match-up are relatively fast :zaru Well except for Nnirge :hurr
Sadly all the charcters are firing stuff off


All arrancars have Hierro... That's like saying Nnoi can't Sonido. *cough*

Scans or its not true. Zommari has never shown hierro, we wouldnt even know how powerfull it is even if you assume

Ok look. I won't even bother arguing about reiatsu sensing because even if Yoruichi can hide her pressure in the midst of these attacks, she can't turn invisible in plain sight. Look at the location again.
She can however have on her black costume blending in with the dark. and she would be moveing very fast and hard to keep up with.

Plus your grimm if fireing off GRC, which means yoruichi can idssapeer withing the gigantic cross fire.



I really wouldn't say Byakuya can dodge 1200 arrows + Cero + GRC while chanting a Hadou spell, but I don't think I can prove you wrong or you have proof of his success, so we can only leave this up to the voters. I'll just remind you that Utsusemi tricks, like our Gemeros Sonido, won't work with knowledge we have.

He can go behind nirrge as a meat tank to dodge GRC.


Hes fast enough to avoid your sondio

[BlackSmoke]

Hado 33 has minor charging time. So while Byakuya is doing that Zommari nails him with a cero, Grand Rey Cero comes off, followed by 1200 arrows. Byakuya is dead.

The Random Arrancar is releasing before he fires off ceros and gets caught in the GRC+1200 arrow opening, he dies as well. He is not even a Espada rank so surely, you can't argue Zommari won't be able to cut him.

Alright the teams are on the dome of Los noches at short....I can see Yoruchi quickly shunpoing behind the enemy team, but she is going to be seen... She doesn't get hit by the opening moves since she was instructed to sneak behind the enemy. She activates shunko and pretty much has to fight a Quincy and two Espada all by herself. She isn't stupid and I can see a long drawn out battle with her running around using hit and run tactics but eventually she will get cornered and gang banged to death.

it is understood since arrancar are evolved hollows, they all to an extent have the thick skin called hierro.

Vote Sajin

[Sajin]

Sadly all the charcters are firing stuff off


...And?

Scans or its not true. Zommari has never shown hierro, we wouldnt even know how powerfull it is even if you assume


It is obviously not VC level... And it's not like I'm making over the top claims like "you can't pierce it", it's just a notable factor.
She can however have on her black costume blending in with the dark. and she would be moveing very fast and hard to keep up with.

1) There are no rocks, smaller pillars, nothing, just the vast plains of the dome and 2) Pretty much everything there is white.

Plus your grimm if fireing off GRC, which means yoruichi can idssapeer withing the gigantic cross fire.


...? :oh You mean, tank it? Otherwise how does she get there?

He can go behind nirrge as a meat tank to dodge GRC.

Nnirge is not much of a meat tank against GRC... And I doubt IC Byakuya would hide behind others.
Hes fast enough to avoid your sondio

In a duel? Yea, I guess so. Vs both Zommari and Uryu (assuming we disregard starting GRC and all)? Hardly.

Edit: Thanks for the vote BS :hurr

[Candy]

If what you say is ture then I win becuase I fire off I gigantic shunko right when I get behind them. I will aslo fir it off see them

[Candy]

It is obviously not VC level... And it's not like I'm making over the top claims like "you can't pierce it", it's just a notable factor.

Well thats what you said earlier


1) There are no rocks, smaller pillars, nothing, just the vast plains of the dome and 2) Pretty much everything there is white.

She can still et behind your team while they fire off tons off crap



...? :oh You mean, tank it? Otherwise how does she get there?

shunpoing

Nnirge is not much of a meat tank against GRC... And I doubt IC Byakuya would hide behind others.

Grc can be aimed in one place, grimm is going at yoruichi, yoruichi is gone.


In a duel? Yea, I guess so. Vs both Zommari and Uryu (assuming we disregard starting GRC and all)? Hardly.

Byakuya is fast enough to dodge a cero, GRC isnt faster, its just stronger

[BlackSmoke]

If what you say is ture then I win becuase I fire off I gigantic shunko right when I get behind them. I will aslo fir it off see them

No, she has to cover the short distance, and then go Super Sayian. During that time the opening moves fry her teammates.

[Candy]

NO she has to cover the short distance, and then go Super Sayian. During that time the opening moves fry her teammates.

she can be super saiyan form the strat. she can move while going super siayan, she can just release it, it takes prep..

So what if my team mates die, Ill still own his team with shunko( which has one of the biggest AOEs in this tournament)

[Sajin]

Well thats what you said earlier


Where?.. Ah, forget it anyway.



She can still et behind your team while they fire off tons off crap

By running into the explosion?.. How do you suggest she hides from Grimmjow in an open field?



shunpoing

And how does it help her hide in plain sight!?

Grc can be aimed in one place, grimm is going at yoruichi, yoruichi is gone.


It has a great range + Byakuya is priority most likely.

Byakuya is fast enough to dodge a cero, GRC isnt faster, its just stronger

He has to dodge several attacks at once, every one of which is coming from a captain class character. If he can dodge them separately (I don't think he can fully dodge a single GRC btw) doesn't mean he can dodge all of them within a tiny time frame.

[BlackSmoke]

she can be super saiyan form the strat. she can move while going super siayan, she can just release it, it takes prep..

So what if my team mates die, Ill still own his team with shunko( which has one of the biggest AOEs in this tournament)


Candy did not instruct her to go Shunko at the start. (how would that be stealthy now?)

Yoruchi stated she would need Shunko just to beat Yammy 1vs1.

2 close combat fighters and a ranger are going to take her down.

2 of the fighters are Espada and work well together (arguable).

[Candy]

By running into the explosion?.. How do you suggest she hides from Grimmjow in an open field?

Grimm is fireing a GRC, how is going to be recting to shunko?




And how does it help her hide in plain sight!?

1. shes trained to do that
2. your firing all your crap like a triger happy red-neck while I come up behind you.


It has a great range + Byakuya is priority most likely.

1. scans
2. Decide on a target



He has to dodge several attacks at once, every one of which is coming from a captain class character. If he can dodge them separately (I don't think he can fully dodge a single GRC btw) doesn't mean he can dodge all of them within a tiny time frame.

The arrows are linear, ceros ar linear, it doesnt take a genuis to get out of the line of fire.


dont forget im firing off a cero just as power as zommaris cero

[Candy]

Candy did not instruct her to go Shunko at the start. (how would that be stealthy now?)

Yoruchi stated she would need Shunko just to beat Yammy 1vs1.

2 close combat fighters and a ranger are going to take her down.

2 of the fighters are Espada and work well together (arguable).



She can go shunko instantely wile she moves

Thats statment not a feat, ther are reasons we dont go by zommaru has the fast sonido

espada bicker if anything and dont work well together.

See ukq. slaming yammy

see grimm treating espada like crap

See notoria killing nel, and szayel helping

there is also no proof of them working together

[Sajin]

Grimm is fireing a GRC, how is going to be recting to shunko?

She is his target immediately after it, and he tries not to have her escape from his view while firing a GRC. He won't spend ages GRC'ing and she needs to time to activate shunko as well.

1. shes trained to do that
2. your firing all your crap like a triger happy red-neck while I come up behind you.

1. She's trained to disappear in plain sight? :facepalm
2. She won't have nearly as much time to stealthily run a circle around my team before GRC is fired...


1. scans
2. Decide on a target

1. http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/280/16-17/
2. read strat

The arrows are linear, ceros ar linear, it doesnt take a genuis to get out of the line of fire.

There are 1200 arrows fired at once from different directions, Ceros enclose a cone-shaped area.


dont forget im firing off a cero just as power as zommaris cero

No :facepalm Nnirge <<<<<<<<<<<< Zommari and he has to release first.

[Candy]

Im not going to rebut as much

Im just going to say that


Yoruichi can activate shunko instantely with no prep

She is fast enough to get behind sajins team and shunko

Even if they see her, she shunkos


eventhough I dont tell her to go shunko, it would be only natural to go shunko before she uses it (she uses it once she starts moving)

Shunko has a huge AOE and once she fires it (from any point) his team is dead

[BlackSmoke]

She can go shunko instantely wile she moves

Thats statment not a feat, ther are reasons we dont go by zommaru has the fast sonido

espada bicker if anything and dont work well together.

See ukq. slaming yammy

see grimm treating espada like crap

See notoria killing nel, and szayel helping

there is also no proof of them working together


She said it herself after fighting Yammy. A firsthand statement is credible evidence. Especially since she was bandaged up after-wards.

Grimmjow had Fraccion who loved him, and chose to serve under him

Zommari is neutral towards his fellow Arrancar and it seems during his speech to Byakuya that he had a deep hollow pride for his kind. No reason why he wouldn't work well in a team with Grimmjow.

Yoruchi gets her clothes blown off when she goes shunko and all that energy is everywhere. She won't do it at the start of the match since that is against your order to be stealthy.

Grimm and even Ishida have some nice tanking feats. One Shunko isn't going to kill them. Ishida is a intelligent range fighter and after one huge AOE blasts will stay out of range and try to pin Yoruchi down with fire IC. Duh

[Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez]

Hi, first time voting, but long time reader. Wanted to read the rules and several dozen matches before I began to vote.

Sajin's team seems to have the advantage, Gol D. Roger's strategy has a few flaws; namely Yoruichi getting behind everyone and blitzing them with Shunko. Unreleased, 1-armed Grimmjow was shown to keep up with Bankai Vizard Ichigo, and he's been shown to have catlike reflexes (no pun intended,) so blitzing Grimmjow so effortlessly would be out of the question, even if Yoruichi is fast, she couldn't blitz someone whose strongest attribute is speed and reflexes/agility. If GRC should work, Sajin wins pretty easily; however, if it should not hit its mark, the resulting shock wave and damage would wound all of them, or at the very least, the Arrancar. Byukuya using Hadou will not work, as Sajin stated, because Ishida will be firing off 1,200 arrows instantly, which will either hit Byakuya (unlikely,) or keep him preoccupied for a while (very likely.) Yoruichi had a tough time with Yammy's Heirro, where as Grimmjow's Hierro is probably many folds superior, so piercing him or damage him with her hands and Shunko will be tricky and may not even be possible. At the very best case, she'll damage her arms and legs severely, while damaging Grimmjow only slightly with cuts and burns. Because of Grimmjow's endurance, Hierro, power, reflexes and speed, he will trump her. Not to mention, he has a Zanpaktou and she doesn't (in this scenario, anyway.) I don't see Yoruichi winning this one, at least from the knowledge we have on her.

Ishida and Zommari in combination may or may not defeat Byakuya. it will be a drawn out fight, due to Ishida spamming arrows and Zommari blitzing (or attempting to, anyway.) If Byakuya should win, he would be very weakened and damaged, with the Arrancar dead in the process of the collateral damage and/or intentional targeting by Zommari and/or Ishida. It would either come down to a slightly burned/cut Grimmjow vs. a weakened/battle worn Byakuya, or; burned/cut Grimmjow, Zommari and Ishida vs. Shikai Byakuya.

In my opinion, I think Sajin wins in both scenarios, due to the Hierro, team and power/speed(not so much)/agility advantage.

Vote: Sajin.

[Sajin]

Im not going to rebut as much

Im just going to say that

Awwww just as I was hoping to beat the KC record :(


Yoruichi can activate shunko instantely with no prep

She can't do it instantly.

She is fast enough to get behind sajins team and shunko

Definitely not. Especially with the explosions happening in between our teams and blowing things up, and my team not being gathered together in a tiny space.

Even if they see her, she shunkos

Grimm is fighting her 1v1 already by then.

eventhough I dont tell her to go shunko, it would be only natural to go shunko before she uses it (she uses it once she starts moving)

Nope, because she wont be able to hide with her energy flowing like this. You told her to hide.

Shunko has a huge AOE and once she fires it (from any point) his team is dead

...No. We can likely tank quite a few hits and AoE isn't nowhere as large as you make it seem. Grimm takes her full attention.

Edit: Thanks for the vote Grimmjow, though I'd ask to bold by name because it's easier to count votes this way. Quite detailed :quite

[Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez]

Awwww just as I was hoping to beat the KC record :(


Y

She can't do it instantly.


Definitely not. Especially with the explosions happening in between our teams and blowing things up, and my team not being gathered together in a tiny space.



Grimm is fighting her 1v1 already by then.



Nope, because she wont be able to hide with her energy flowing like this. You told her to hide.


...No. We can likely tank quite a few hits and AoE isn't nowhere as large as you make it seem. Grimm takes her full attention.

Edit: Thanks for the vote Grimmjow, though I'd ask to bold by name because it's easier to count votes this way. Quite detailed :quite

Sorry, I made your name bold, now. I must have forgotten while making the post.

[Candy]

And sajin wins agian through assumtions and hype :zaru


Really though, how are you going to get out of GRC quickly, he has to stay there while he fires it.

Yes it happens instantely, I would want to see proof otherwise


Proof of tanking shunko, none



@grimm: Vizard ichigo was much weaker when they first fought and grim couldnt keep up with him at all

[BlackSmoke]

NO Hype

Want me to bring all the scans that support his arguments?

MAn oh man, just because your starting to lose don't bring up that retarded wank argument. T_T Only 2 votes so far don't give up.

[Candy]

Bring it Blacksmoke

ill match you scan for scan

[BlackSmoke]

LOL I would, but this isn't BlackSmoke vs Candy.
If you win maybe we can rematch down the line :LOS

[Candy]

scared :LOS

:obama

[Sajin]

And sajin wins agian through assumtions and hype :zaru

You are kidding right? :oh Even if I do win, it is one of my least wanked matches.


Really though, how are you going to get out of GRC quickly, he has to stay there while he fires it.

He fires it and THEN intercepts Yoruichi :oh She can't teleport 150m in an instant.

Yes it happens instantely, I would want to see proof otherwise

You claimed it. You show proof :oh I only show proof of what I claim (GRC having large range).
Proof of tanking shunko, none

Because it never hit anybody :apathy I can say the same thing about GRC.

@grimm: Vizard ichigo was much weaker when they first fought and grim couldnt keep up with him at all

Vizard Ichigo's strength stayed about the same actually. He's on the whole other level, he'd also stomp Yoruichi. Remember T1?

[Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez]

@grimm: Vizard ichigo was much weaker when they first fought and grim couldnt keep up with him at all

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/231/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/231/14/

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/232/18/

These scans beg to differ, Gol D. Roger. Grimmjow was able to notice his Shunpo, draw out his Zanpaktou and counter, while Bankai Vizard Ichigo shunpo'd directly to him, being only a few feet from him originally before he attacked. To do all of that in that time period, shows to me that Grimmjow was able to keep up with him and has top-tier reflexes, and not to mention, 1-armed Grimmjow even managed to get behind Vizard Bankai Ichigo at one point. Grimmjow's speed, agility and reflexes are very good.

[Candy]

His reflexes may be good, but how is be going to react whe hes firing GRC.


@sajin: shunko couldve esily killed soi fon who is said to be the fastest captain

[Sajin]

His reflexes may be good, but how is be going to react whe hes firing GRC.

Look at her :oh It's not like he can't do anything while making GRC, just like Byakuya doesnt have to tank all the projectiles while standing still if he wants to cast Kidou.


@sajin: shunko couldve esily killed soi fon who is said to be the fastest captain

If it wouldnt do at least this much, I would really doubt that Yoruichi can even put up a fight against Grimmjow.

Fastest =/= durability and Yama may still be faster.

[Candy]

Look at her :oh It's not like he can't do anything while making GRC, just like Byakuya doesnt have to tank all the projectiles while standing still if he wants to cast Kidou.

Actually, yea. hollow never move while make a cero becuase they have to charge it. Grimm isnt going to be able to do anything about yoruichi coming from behind

If it wouldnt do at least this much, I would really doubt that Yoruichi can even put up a fight against Grimmjow.



Yoruichi (esspesicly in shunko) is fast enough to completely out speed grimm and shunko him in the head. Not to mention im useing a shunnko behind your team that should take out ishida and zommari as well as grimm




Basicly your whole team charges and fires crap while yoru comes from behind and shunkos, basic logic really

[BlackSmoke]

@sajin: shunko couldve esily killed soi fon who is said to be the fastest captain

No feats of anyone ever being hit by Shunko.

you do realise that mr.feat or it didn't happen.

:amuse

[Candy]

Want me to post scans, yoruichi could have killed soi fon like 2 times but either stoped mid stride or blocked off shunko from her. want to see scans?

[Candy]

First off
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/158/19-20/
Look how big the AOE of that is

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/159/01/
She let soi fon live here

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/159/16/
And here



Lolz, I showed scans so it happened :P
Yoruichi let soi fon live, she could have one-shoted her right off the bat if she felt like it

[BlackSmoke]

Post the scans hun.

It will only help you, if you want to win that is.

EDIT: K, cool.........

Eh yeah that is pretty big...

but you have to do with three guys trying to nail her at once, they can cordinate and pincer her Iono man....you should pm that grim guy and make him rethink his vote as well.

I geuss we could compare it too ome other huge aoe attacks in the series...but my point was she never hit anyone with it.

HMmm I'll rethink my vote Candy, I;m not retracting it but rethinking.....
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/159/03/
I'd say since she nullified the Shikai she's atleast Captain Bankai level in that form.

[Candy]

Scans have been posted

look above you

[BlackSmoke]

Well your strategy tells her to just spam the blast.
3 vs 1 Captain level spamming massive AOE....
Ergh be a close one, but Grimm is engaging her and after the other 2 finish their fights, everyone IC works to fight her.
Messy fight but having 3 versatile character gives Sajin a small edge.
(I may change my vote lol)

we need more voters in this place...you could still win this match Candy...

Eh for such a huge blast it sill seems weak...Soifon was caught in the massive surge yet it didn't scratch her? yet the surface of the ground is like beat down a bit.

[Sajin]

Actually, yea. hollow never move while make a cero becuase they have to charge it. Grimm isnt going to be able to do anything about yoruichi coming from behind



Yoruichi (esspesicly in shunko) is fast enough to completely out speed grimm and shunko him in the head. Not to mention im useing a shunnko behind your team that should take out ishida and zommari as well as grimm




Basicly your whole team charges and fires crap while yoru comes from behind and shunkos, basic logic really

You way overrate Yoruichi's speed. You could've as well said she shunko's and kills my team from the front before Ishida can form a spirit bow :apathy

She can't run a circle around my team before Grimm fires a GRC, that's all there is to it.

First off
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/158/19-20/
Look how big the AOE of that is

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/159/01/
She let soi fon live here

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/159/16/
And here



Lolz, I showed scans so it happened :P
Yoruichi let soi fon live, she could have one-shoted her right off the bat if she felt like it

How come you ask me for proof for strength of my attacks but say "she could have one-shotted blah blah blah"? Did attacks connect? No, they didn't, therefore you can't say they are able to one-shot my team. AoE is nowhere as large as you make it seem, you aren't even hitting 2 of my chars at once.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

too lazy to read strats. any summaries...

[Sajin]

No summaries for the lazy :sun

[Cthulhu-versailles]

^:pek
Vote Roger

Histsugya should be able to take down Bankai ichigo after all the preptime. Likewise, since Roger also has hinamori to cheer histu on his resolve should be off the charts.

[Sajin]

^:pek
Vote Roger

Histsugya should be able to take down Bankai ichigo after all the preptime. Likewise, since Roger also has hinamori to cheer histu on his resolve should be off the charts.

But my Aizen has him under hypnosis from the start, I don't see how the starting Kurohitsugi will not work. It needs to at least distract Hitsu well enough so that Ichigo could take him down. IC Hinamori will also do whatever my Aizen commands her because she's a psycho :pek

I should also remind you that Hitsu is restricted and is therefore unable to freeze illusions or time in this tourney, please reconsider your vote.

but seriously, read the strats

[Franky]

Just so you know, because they didn't show anything, Zommari's Ceros are like mankey turds in the air? They don't do shit to even Nirgge.

Also, Ishida's bug-spray arrows aren't very strong either. They aren't the same as his focused ones, and I don't think that they even reach as far.

Lastly GRC needs prep. So, why do you think that Byakuya is just going to stand there when Candy told him to dodge? Byakuya can move while chanting, it's not very hard at all.

Basically, I see Byakuya dodging and firing off Hado 33 and then going in Yoruichi, and Yoruichi getting there unseen because YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH YOUR SPAMMING.

Now, Yoruichi suddenly appears, and your team is all "wwwhhhhaaaa-" before Shunko goes off. Byakuya can likely bind Ishida, that's easy. He can also likely bind Grimm and Zommari, seeing as they can't release and they have Yoruichi murdering them.

Next, you've got a nuclear bomb exploding in your faces all over the place. It will 1)knock back anyone trying to attack her, 2)stop any attacks in their tracks, and 3)kill Ishida, injure Zommari, and injure Grimjow (first one).

Now Yoruichi is just doing this again and again. Your attacks won't get to her and your fighters won't get to her. It make take a few tries to knock down Zommari, and it may take more to take down Grimm, but with Byakuya there, it should work out.

Also, Nirgee and Zommari's ceros are technically equal.

vote Gol D. Roger

[Sajin]

Just so you know, because they didn't show anything, Zommari's Ceros are like mankey turds in the air? They don't do shit to even Nirgge.

You can't be serious, right?

Also, Ishida's bug-spray arrows aren't very strong either. They aren't the same as his focused ones, and I don't think that they even reach as far.

He could shot down 104 consecutive arrows from Iceringer. I believe you are severely underrating his aim.

Lastly GRC needs prep. So, why do you think that Byakuya is just going to stand there when Candy told him to dodge? Byakuya can move while chanting, it's not very hard at all.

Byakuya can't dodge every attack coming at him.

Basically, I see Byakuya dodging and firing off Hado 33 and then going in Yoruichi, and Yoruichi getting there unseen because YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH YOUR SPAMMING.

I can see after I finish spamming... You do realize Yoruichi can't disappear in plain sight like a ghost, or that she can't silently move 200 meters before Grimm can fire a GRC?

Now, Yoruichi suddenly appears, and your team is all "wwwhhhhaaaa-" before Shunko goes off. Byakuya can likely bind Ishida, that's easy. He can also likely bind Grimm and Zommari, seeing as they can't release and they have Yoruichi murdering them.

You can't possibly be serious. Byakuya can't bind Ishida while Zommari is attacking him, and Grimm is more than enough to take Yoruichi's attention.

Next, you've got a nuclear bomb exploding in your faces all over the place. It will 1)knock back anyone trying to attack her, 2)stop any attacks in their tracks, and 3)kill Ishida, injure Zommari, and injure Grimjow (first one).

You saw her AoE, which is about 10-15 meters in width IIRC. How do you expect it to kill everyone on my team? That's not even taking into account that shunko shouldnt be able to one-shot Ishida who tanked a full slash from shikai Mayuri and continued fighting, or that Grimm tanked 2 Vizard GTs and still owned Ichigo.

Now Yoruichi is just doing this again and again. Your attacks won't get to her and your fighters won't get to her. It make take a few tries to knock down Zommari, and it may take more to take down Grimm, but with Byakuya there, it should work out.


Byakuya will be double teamed and killed.

Also, Nirgee and Zommari's ceros are technically equal.

They are not... That's common sense. I can also say shunko is as powerful as a generic VC slash because it never hurt anyone except the ground.

I'm fairly sure you will keep your vote the way it is so if you're adamant about it, don't bother replying. If you do have doubts about this match, however, please reply.

[Franky]

Common sense it Bull Shit, Sajin. I don't believe in the new ruling that they all have ceros, it's idiotic. But, as it's a rule, it interprets to me as "They all have shit ceros unless shown otherwise"

And lol at Iceringer. Doesn't show range.

and if you can convince me of:

1) Yoruichi's range really being that small

2) Yoruichi really being that slow

3) GRC being fast enough to hit Yoruichi/Byakuya at this range before they move

4) range of BUG SPRAY arrows

Then I will likely change my vote.

[Sajin]

and if you can convince me of:

1) Yoruichi's range really being that small

Look at the scan and realize that my characters aren't holding hands or standing within 3m from each other.

2) Yoruichi really being that slow

Okay look at it this way. If it was possible to move behind someone who uses GRC and kill him from the back before he can do anything, wouldn't GRC be the most useless attack in the history of Bleach? I mean, even Rukia would casually dodge that.

3) GRC being fast enough to hit Yoruichi/Byakuya at this range before they move

Byakuya has to dodge 1200 (if you doubt his range or w/e, make it 300 or 400, w/e) arrows coming at him from different direction and then dodge a GRC when he won't even see it coming clearly because it will be partially covered by his own Kidou explosion blast.

4) range of BUG SPRAY arrows

He launched them at a solid (I'd say like 80-100m) distance vs Iceringer. If you still believe that's not too impressive, make it 300/400/600 and not 1200, it's not like Byakuya can tank a dozen of them anyway.

[Franky]

Wow. You guys all have horrible range perception.

I'm outta here. Kinda wondering if I should even participate next tourney cause apparently perspective doesn't mean shit here.

[Sajin]

I've checked the manga again and the only mistake I could find is that Ishida was shooting Iceringer at a smaller distance than I thought he was, but the difference isn't huge.

Yoruichi's shunko range is noticeably less than that of a GRC and the starting distance between the teams won't allow her to sneak behind our team and attack from there before we can react. I'm curious as to what your prospective on the distances is.

[Franky]

the track of the scan where it shows Soi Fon and Yoru after it keeps going.

It's almost, if not, as big a ray as GRC. I'm taking a nap.

[Sajin]

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/159/01/ Shunko blast.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/344/15/ Generic base Ulq Cero.

They seem pretty even, and Grimm's GRC couldnt even fit on a double spread. Take a look at shunko's width, not length. You don't think my characters would be standing in a straight line, do you?

Btw shunko blast Yoruichi made was not instant.

[BlackSmoke]

Lol Ishida took a R2 Ulq attack and then later got stabbed by H2 Ichigo......

Franky I don't like your Ishida bias, your really ignoring his abilities.

The fact he was able to see and intercept 108 arrows while firing his own should say something about his skill as a Marksman.

[squilliam]

This is how I see it:

Byakuya and Nigre die in the initial exchange of blows. I understand that Candy told Byakuya to dodge if necessary, but he also told him to use Hado 33. So basically, he'll start charging it, realize "oh shit, I'm gonna die" but then it'll be too late and he gets fatality injured or dies

After that, you've got Yoruichi vs. Sajin's team. I believe that she loses against them. The margin by which she loses is arguable, but that doesn't matter

vote: Sajin

EDIT: wow, Candy sure is butthurt, ok, I will now explain why Yoruichi will lose against Grimmjow/Ishida/Zommari.

First of all, shunko is just a blast of energy. If base Grimmjow could take a GT, he'll survive a shunko. Zommari is a different story, as is Ishida, but their speed is enough to allow them to avoid the preliminary blast.

Also worth mentioning is that Yoruichi will not already be in Shunko when she appears near Sajin's team. Furthermore, it has been made blatantly obvious that shunko requires a certain amount of prep time. This is because you are focusing and building up kido in your back/shoulders (hence why any clothing there is blown off) and then transferring it to your arms/legs during battle.

the time in which Yoruichi is prepping shunko is enough for Sajin's team to react

[Sajin]

Thanks for the vote :hurr Indeed, while I do not doubt Byakuya's dodging skills, he shouldn't be able to carry out several tasks at once while dodging multiple attacks from captain level opponents, and his Hadou 33 will be relatively useless against a GRC even if it was fired.

Btw, we would still use more votes, so those who haven't yet voted are strongly encouraged to do so shortly to leave reasonable time for rebuttals.

[Candy]

Gone for 24 hours and im still loseing :facepalm

[Candy]

This is how I see it:

Byakuya and Nigre die in the initial exchange of blows. I understand that Candy told Byakuya to dodge if necessary, but he also told him to use Hado 33. So basically, he'll start charging it, realize "oh shit, I'm gonna die" but then it'll be too late and he gets fatality injured or dies

After that, you've got Yoruichi vs. Sajin's team. I believe that she loses against them. The margin by which she loses is arguable, but that doesn't matter

vote: Sajin

You metioned nothign of shunko, include more in your vote if you want this to be valid.

Grimm uses GRC and yoruichi come either to the side or beind and shunkos his whole team

[squilliam]

Candy, I edited by original vote, you can rebut it if you like

[Franky]

He's butthurt cause he's about to lose in here as well (I kicked him out round 1 with Magellan in OPBD)...:hurr

Candy, get away from my rep. Neg me and, with god as my witness, you won't live another day.

[Candy]

This is how I see it:

Byakuya and Nigre die in the initial exchange of blows. I understand that Candy told Byakuya to dodge if necessary, but he also told him to use Hado 33. So basically, he'll start charging it, realize "oh shit, I'm gonna die" but then it'll be too late and he gets fatality injured or dies

After that, you've got Yoruichi vs. Sajin's team. I believe that she loses against them. The margin by which she loses is arguable, but that doesn't matter

vote: Sajin

EDIT: wow, Candy sure is butthurt, ok, I will now explain why Yoruichi will lose against Grimmjow/Ishida/Zommari.

First of all, shunko is just a blast of energy. If base Grimmjow could take a GT, he'll survive a shunko. Zommari is a different story, as is Ishida, but their speed is enough to allow them to avoid the preliminary blast.

Also worth mentioning is that Yoruichi will not already be in Shunko when she appears near Sajin's team. Furthermore, it has been made blatantly obvious that shunko requires a certain amount of prep time. This is because you are focusing and building up kido in your back/shoulders (hence why any clothing there is blown off) and then transferring it to your arms/legs during battle.

the time in which Yoruichi is prepping shunko is enough for Sajin's team to react

Yet in the manga it happened instantely, even if what you say is logical, it doesnt mean its true if theres clear manga proof aginst it.

Another thing is that his team is blastsing stuff at my team while im going behind him. GRC takes like 2 seconds prep and is ishida is fireing the 1200 arrows then its going to be awhile till he goes into acion.

This means time to fire shunko, not that it needs any prep

question, if yoruichi does fire off shunko(she does, im just saying that you dont belive it), then would I win?



@franky: thats an insult, I dont neg people when I lose to them. but I might neg you just for saying that I do

[squilliam]

*sigh* :facepalm didn't you think that when I said

"it has been made blatantly obvious that shunko requires a certain amount of prep time"

that I had manga proof? Anyways, give me a sec to find it

EDIT:

ok, starting here (http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/158/15/) near the bottom of the scan you can see Yoruichi initially getting ready for shunko. That is 1 stage

here (http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/158/16/), near the middle of the scan, you can clearly see the kido building up in Yourichi's back/shoulder's. On this scan you can also see Yoruichi say

"the final form of this technique starts by focusing huge amounts of energy"

Notice how she said, "focusing" , i.e. it doesn't just happen.

Lastly, here (http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/158/17/) you can see that shunko has been completly activated. All in all, that's 3 transitions. If it was instantaneous, why would Kubo go through the trouble of drawing 3 transitions?

[Sajin]

Candy, I'm not sure how many times I should say shunko is not instant for you to properly rebut it, I mean I know I won't persuade you otherwise but could you at least try to supply manga proof? Yoruichi was building up energy for quite a few seconds while talking to Soi Fon "I didn't want to use this because it's too dangerous, blah blah blah" and SF just stood there. Far from instant if you ask me.

[squilliam]

^^ yes, that is also a good point: all the while she was talking to Soi Fon. Judging by how much she said, unless she talks really fast, shunko takes a while to prep

[Sajin]

- 12 Hour warning -

[Candy]

Why is it I always lose to grimm :(


Whenever I face grimm, I lose without faill. everyother matcyh I win though :(

[Sajin]

You haven't lost yet, Candy. It's only 3-1 with like 9 hours remaining, I believe I've been through worse.

[Candy]

I have vote!?

Since when?

[Sajin]

Who do you think? Franky voted for you. Not surprising :zaru

[Candy]

The range of shunko is just about the same as GRC if not bigger

just sayin


Im sorry but I dont see how your team cant be killed form a couple of shunkos from the back or side

[Sajin]

It is not and it must be charged.

Seriously Candy, look at its width and tell me it's as large as GRC, I dare you.
:pek:gun

Edit: Sorry Candy but I don't see Yoruichi shunpoing past us in the first place, that's not to mention time needed for shunko prep and the dodging skill of everyone on my team.

[Candy]

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/158/17/
Instant shunko

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/158/18/
Charging time is just about as much as grimm's GRC

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/158/19-20/
What was that? shunko has short range?

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/159/01/
The part you see around yoruichi is the small tip at the very edge of the blast. she aimed it forward, you cant even see the edge where she pointed she pointed her blast.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/280/15/
Prep time for GRC here

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/280/18/
Shunko > GRC in size

I have proved it.


__________________
As for yoruichis speed

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/154/14/
shes everywhere at once, makeing at least 15 clones, much more then zommari who is the supposed fastest espada


http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/177/08/
Out of nowhere comes yoruichi, nowhere

Yoruichi is fast enough to travel 150 meters in a couple seconds. People like us can pull 40 yard run in like 4 or 5 seconds. these guys are like 20x faster then us, yorucihi can go across the feild while you fire

[squilliam]

In that first scan you provided, where you say "Instant shunko", it clearly is not instant shunko because you did not look at all the scans that I provided.

If you did look at them, you'll see that to get to that point requires a bit of time

[Sajin]

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/158/17/
Instant shunko

How is this instant? Look at the page before that where she's prepping.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/158/18/
Charging time is just about as much as grimm's GRC

According to YOUR OWN WORDS, Yoruichi can move over 150m before a GRC and attack my team stealthily, and you want to say my chars cant sidestep 10m to the side during that time!?

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/158/19-20/
What was that? shunko has short range?

That's the angle + zoom... Look at the next page.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/159/01/
The part you see around yoruichi is the small tip at the very edge of the blast. she aimed it forward, you cant even see the edge where she pointed she pointed her blast.

You can also see its width is small.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/280/15/
Prep time for GRC here

Ok so?

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/280/18/
Shunko > GRC in size

HOW? :facepalm It didn't even fit ffs and its much wider.
I have proved it.


...No.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/154/14/
shes everywhere at once, makeing at least 15 clones, much more then zommari who is the supposed fastest espada

Ichigo made tons of afterimages vs Byakuya and Grimmjow was still faster.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/177/08/
Out of nowhere comes yoruichi, nowhere

So did Komamura...

Yoruichi is fast enough to travel 150 meters in a couple seconds. People like us can pull 40 yard run in like 4 or 5 seconds. these guys are like 20x faster then us, yorucihi can go across the feild while you fire

Grimm can also fire a GRC in a couple seconds, and it takes her quite a bit of time to prep a blast, and my chars are also relatively fast, even compared to her. I don't see your point.

[Candy]

The short width you spea of is around yoruichi (behind as well) she aimed it outwards, and outwards is where it gets so wide we cant see the edge of it.

10 meters isnt going to save you


Yoruichi can get to your team while they are firing off crap, how can you not see that?

@squilium: that quite a bit of time is a couple secnds

[Sajin]

The short width you spea of is around yoruichi (behind as well) she aimed it outwards, and outwards is where it gets so wide we cant see the edge of it.

It barely gets any wider where SF is, only like a few meters. GRC is WAY wider at its ends.

10 meters isnt going to save you


...Why wouldn't they? I mean, it's not like Yoruichi will even make it in time behind us, let alone prep shunko and attack us before Grimm engages her in a melee duel, but even if we go by your logic, my team would easily dodge the attack altogether or to a point where we only get minor wounds. Grimmjow, Zommari and Ishida have all proved to have good dodging ability.

@squilium: that quite a bit of time is a couple secnds


Which will be more than enough for my team to react and act accordingly. I really don't see how you can claim Yoruichi solos, since this is essentially your argument for the last couple of pages.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

...
anyone in bleach can get behind anyone as long as there isn't a wall to their back and if they're slightly faster. Likewise, even people of the same speed can get behind each other's back in a relatively straight fight, and this is all the more possible when a distraction is present. Without a distraction it has still occurred on occasion, but the other always seems to notice in that case. Seriously, the typical "Oh no i'm glancing to my backside because the enemy got behind me and is now attacking has been used constantly since SS arc. It's one of the least subtle nuisances of bleach. ---

[Sajin]

^The object of discussion is the sneak attack from Yoruichi who was told to shunpo across the distance between our teams, evade a GRC and sneakily use shunko to one-shot half of my team, which is nowhere as plausible as merely getting behind Grimmjow's back in a fight.

[Brandon Heat]

Initial GRC/Cero/Arrows should take out Byakuya and Nnirge because the attacks will be wide spread and Byakuya is busy using his Hado. If Byakuya does survive, he will be severely injured and eventually taken out by Zommari and Ishida. Shunko needs preparation time and basically will give away Yourichi's position. I think Sajin's team can overwhelm Yourichi before she is capable of taking out any major character.

Vote: Sajin

[Sajin]

Thanks for the vote BH :hurr

What about you Cthulhu? Read the strats yet? :LOS

[Cthulhu-versailles]

yes. I did.
I am undecided. Yoro would get behind ur people, but I am not sure at what juncture in relation to the GRC. Likewise, I am not sure wherthere Grim stopping his GRC and going after Yoro would mean he can necessarily catch her before she activates Shunko. Last, I am not sure how mobile Yoro can be while trying to activate Shunko._The only thing I am sure about is that ishi/Zom would be able to kill Byakuya if Zom is especially agressive in his pursuit of Byakuya. -----

In the end, would my vote even matter,? Isn't this match finishing in like an hour or two anyway?

[Sajin]

There are a bit more than 7 hours left. Well, I guess that since I am winning 4-1, I am not in the desperate need of votes, but Candy may be of another opinion :zaru So I guess it's fine if you remain undecided on this. If you do make your mind to vote, however, I'd be grateful if you did that sooner than later so that there'd be some time to rebut left.

[Candy]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVFdAJRVm94

just substitute obama for candy:zaru

And the pirates for the KC

and USA for BBD

[Sajin]

^Reported for spam :hehee

[Candy]

its been edited :kaga

my campain slogan is "no speculation without feats" :whitebeard

[Sajin]

Seriously though, Candy, you told Yoruichi to shunpo over 150m across the dome and use an attack that by your own admission takes about as much as GRC to attack my team, while my Grimmjow GRC's right away and engages her in combat without having to move more than like 10m. I think it's obvious who will be faster.

[Cycloid]

Nnirge is definitely going down to the initial volley. Even if byak survives he will be heavily injured. Uryuu is a very good marksman (shooting 108 arrows out of the air mid-flight) The Hado 33 will be easily overwhelmed by the GRC and additional damage from the arrows. Yoru will be untouched due to strat but it will basically be a 3-on-1. Even if byak manages to survive he won't be in good enough condition to do anything that sajin's suport can't handle. Yoru cannot win this battle alone

vote sajin

[Sajin]

Thanks for voting :hurr

*is now more relaxed than usual*

[Candy]

Nnirge is definitely going down to the initial volley. Even if byak survives he will be heavily injured. Uryuu is a very good marksman (shooting 108 arrows out of the air mid-flight) The Hado 33 will be easily overwhelmed by the GRC and additional damage from the arrows. Yoru will be untouched due to strat but it will basically be a 3-on-1. Even if byak manages to survive he won't be in good enough condition to do anything that sajin's suport can't handle. Yoru cannot win this battle alone

vote sajin

So shunko isnt taken into concideration?

When she shunkos, its all over for sajins team. she will be going shunko while shes moving so she can sunko sajins team when I tell her to

[Sajin]

^I believe he did imply shunko cannot solo my whole team by itself?

[Candy]

He didnt ever use the word shunko

In Other News: did you watch the video

[Sajin]

Well shunko being Yoruichi's only attack kind of makes it obvious, no?

You really overrate it man, I mean, if it could solo Grimmjow, Zommari and Ishida all at once, don't you think Yoruichi would be a tiny bit too powerful for the tier list? :oh

Edit: No, I haven't watched it yet.

[Candy]

I was okay with grimm being 38 becuase I thought GRC took actuall prep. Now im wondering 2 things
1. how is GRC legal
2. Why isnt he higher if it isnt banned

Everytime I face grimm, I lose. everytime

edit: watch the video, its pretty funny

[Cycloid]

i Did take shunko into account and don't think that she can take out all three of them with it. I actually even doubt that she can take grimmjow down so easily with shunko one on one. I also do think that grimm should've been higher

[Sajin]

I was okay with grimm being 38 becuase I thought GRC took actuall prep. Now im wondering 2 things
1. how is GRC legal
2. Why isnt he higher if it isnt banned

Everytime I face grimm, I lose. everytime

edit: watch the video, its pretty funny

Grimm is 38 because he 1) only beats Nnoitra and Kenpachi in speed and loses in fighting ability, and 2) is considered notably weaker than bankai Ichigo and Neliel who cost 42. I do, however, wonder why Yoruichi is 46 and not 42 because she would IMO lose to Neliel in a duel.

GRC is legal for the reasons I've already stated - because it was never banned in the first place :oh

I'm sorry to hear that you lose to Grimmjow everytime, but the reason I'm winning is mostly because I have 3 captain level chars as compared to 2 on your side. IMO, that is.

And ok, I'll watch your video :LOS

[Candy]

I really dont know, grimm is just a horrible omen for me :apathy

[Mizukage Hitsugaya 10]

I was okay with grimm being 38 becuase I thought GRC took actuall prep. Now im wondering 2 things
1. how is GRC legal
2. Why isnt he higher if it isnt banned

Everytime I face grimm, I lose. everytime

edit: watch the video, its pretty funny

Can be countered by superior attacks. Hitsugaya, and Byakuya's Bankai's. Kidou (Danku), and dodging. :zaru
I also cannot see GRC harming any Captain in Bankai.

[Candy]

errrrrr :zaru?

GRC can take down almost every captain on our tier. \theres no way hitsu can blcok GRC

byakuya bankai couldnt do crap to it

[Sajin]

^I don't think Danku can block anything other than Kidou though.

[Franky]

^I don't think Danku can block anything other than Kidou though.

ZOMMARI YOU BULL SHITTER!!!:C



:LOS:gun

[Sajin]

It was the Arrancar version of Kidou. If you think it can block GRC, I require proof. I only go by feats :hmpf :LOS

[Franky]

DON'T BE BULL SHITTING ME SAJIN.:pek:gun





Common Sense huh?:LOS:gun

[Mizukage Hitsugaya 10]

errrrrr :zaru?

GRC can take down almost every captain on our tier. \theres no way hitsu can blcok GRC

byakuya bankai couldnt do crap to it

Lol, GRC isn't doing jack to Bankice, when Luppi's released attack didn't leave a scratch on Hitsugaya.

[nick1689]

Ok, well Hado 33 means that GRC will be able to ge dodged, itll be easy for 2 speed freaks, and with his kido spell, he should be able to provide them an opening to dodge. Plus he has spells that can counter arrow spam, or they can just dodge

Honestly, now I see Candy's team taking the win.

Byakuya will be forced to engage Zommari and Ishida, but with the spells he's throwing out Byakua would be able to bind Ishida indefinately, while engaging Zommari (he's not stupid enough to fight them both at once when he has the ability to make the fights 1on1).

Yoruichi is fast as shit, and with their lack of knowledge on her, and should be able to blitz behind Grimm, and activate Shunko (or atleast jsut activate shunko right of the bat if she cant blitz him). Thatll fuck Grimm up, and allow her to blitz and finish him pretty quickly.

Now we have Ishida and Zommari, vs a tired Yoruichi and Byakuya. Yoruichi would be able to blitz Ishida (who is probabaly bound). Yoruchi will finish her fight before Byakuya finishes his (maybe, with knowledge on Zommari's clones, Byakuya should be able to finish first). Either way, Candy's team wins in my eyes.

Vote Candy

[Sajin]

Ok, well Hado 33 means that GRC will be able to ge dodged, itll be easy for 2 speed freaks, and with his kido spell, he should be able to provide them an opening to dodge. Plus he has spells that can counter arrow spam, or they can just dodge

Honestly, now I see Candy's team taking the win.

Byakuya will be forced to engage Zommari and Ishida, but with the spells he's throwing out Byakua would be able to bind Ishida indefinately, while engaging Zommari (he's not stupid enough to fight them both at once when he has the ability to make the fights 1on1).

Yoruichi is fast as shit, and with their lack of knowledge on her, and should be able to blitz behind Grimm, and activate Shunko (or atleast jsut activate shunko right of the bat if she cant blitz him). Thatll fuck Grimm up, and allow her to blitz and finish him pretty quickly.

Now we have Ishida and Zommari, vs a tired Yoruichi and Byakuya. Yoruichi would be able to blitz Ishida (who is probabaly bound). Yoruchi will finish her fight before Byakuya finishes his (maybe, with knowledge on Zommari's clones, Byakuya should be able to finish first). Either way, Candy's team wins in my eyes.

Vote Candy

How exactly does Hadou 33 make Byakuya able to dodge a GRC? :headscrat

How is Byakuya going to bind Ishida while fighting Zommari!?!? How!?!? You're making it sound like Ishida is a fodder Fraccion. Byakuya hasn't even shown capability to bind people from the distance where Uryu is usually sniping from. Lol @ Byakuya taking this alone, who is he, Hitsugaya?

Shunko is not instant at all, and she starts fighting without it. It is impossible for her to blitz Grimmjow with it, it takes a shitload of time to prepare and it's not like Grimmjow will just stand there and watch her prep it.

Seriously, Byakuya solo'ing Zommari and Ishida? Give me a break :facepalm You are clearly a major Byakuya wanker, Nick. I suggest you take a break from voting next round and come back when I've bought shikai Byakuya for my own team. Also, reconsider your vote, though you'll probably just make one rebuttal and go to sleep like you always do :pek

/obligatorynickrantend

[nick1689]

How exactly does Hadou 33 make Byakuya able to dodge a GRC? :headscrat

Itll intercept, either delaying it, or knocking it off course; either way creating an opening to dodge. The fodder hollow will likely die though

How is Byakuya going to bind Ishida while fighting Zommari!?!? How!?!? You're making it sound like Ishida is a fodder Fraccion. Byakuya hasn't even shown capability to bind people from the distance where Uryu is usually sniping from. Lol @ Byakuya taking this alone, who is he, Hitsugaya?

You misunderstand. Byakuya and Yoruchi are moving into close range. I doubt your team will be able to hit them when theyre moving in as theyre to fast.

Shunko activiation will create an opening at the very least. So Byakuya comes in, merely utters a few words, and Ishida will likely get bound. Maybe throw in a kido spell from range to split them up beforehand. Either way, Byakuya will end up fighting Zommari, a fight that may get dragged out

Shunko is not instant at all, and she starts fighting without it. It is impossible for her to blitz Grimmjow with it, it takes a shitload of time to prepare and it's not like Grimmjow will just stand there and watch her prep it.

It doesnt take that much prep. Not enough so that she wont be able to sue it. Plus shunko acts as an attack anyway, pushing back and hurting the enemy. Yoruchi is likely faster than Grimm without Shunko anyway, she can make the time if she needs to

Seriously, Byakuya solo'ing Zommari and Ishida? Give me a break :facepalm You are clearly a major Byakuya wanker, Nick. I suggest you take a break from voting next round and come back when I've bought shikai Byakuya for my own team.

Buying a Byakuya helps, as he's the perfect counter to his kido spells.

But anyway, he's not soling. I jsut beleive that with his range of binding and offensive spells, he'll be able to take Ishida out of the picture (with a binding spell), allowing him to engage Zommari 1on1. Either Yoruichi will have finished with Grimm, or Byakuya will have finished with Zommari, allowing Candy's team to tag team the rest

Also, reconsider your vote, though you'll probably just make one rebuttal and go to sleep like you always do :pek

Its 1 in the afternoon, im not gooing to bed for a long time :pek. Plus its hols now, meaning I wont get much sleep :LOS

/obligatorynickrantend

:del

[Sajin]

Itll intercept, either delaying it, or knocking it off course; either way creating an opening to dodge. The fodder hollow will likely die though


Its range is nowhere near as large, and Zommari Cero will cancel it out, not to mention 1200 arrows.


You misunderstand. Byakuya and Yoruchi are moving into close range. I doubt your team will be able to hit them when theyre moving in as theyre to fast.

GRC affects an area...

Shunko activiation will create an opening at the very least. So Byakuya comes in, merely utters a few words, and Ishida will likely get bound. Maybe throw in a kido spell from range to split them up beforehand. Either way, Byakuya will end up fighting Zommari, a fight that may get dragged out

Look at the discussion a page back. Shunko activation doesn't do anything, it's the blast that's dangerous and it needs prep. It isn't confusing anyone and if Ishida gets binded, Byakuya now has several arrows pierce his head.

It doesnt take that much prep. Not enough so that she wont be able to sue it. Plus shunko acts as an attack anyway, pushing back and hurting the enemy. Yoruchi is likely faster than Grimm without Shunko anyway, she can make the time if she needs to

Yeah it will only push us back when it's prepped. Also I can't quite grasp the concept of Ishida, who is a long-range fighter, being affected by it in the slightest.

Buying a Byakuya helps, as he's the perfect counter to his kido spells.

Do you want me to kill you for making fun of me? :pek Stop wanking!

But anyway, he's not soling. I jsut beleive that with his range of binding and offensive spells, he'll be able to take Ishida out of the picture (with a binding spell), allowing him to engage Zommari 1on1. Either Yoruichi will have finished with Grimm, or Byakuya will have finished with Zommari, allowing Candy's team to tag team the rest

Blah blah blah, basically what you said is that Yoruichi > Grimmjow and Byakuya > Zommari + Ishida combined. While I can understand why you think the first part is right, the second can be summarized perfectly by the ":facepalm" emote. Come on now.

Its 1 in the afternoon, im not gooing to bed for a long time :pek. Plus its hols now, meaning I wont get much sleep :LOS

Excuses, excuses :pek

:del

:sun

[e697]

Jeez the wank for Grimjow seems like people are forgetting he is unreleased. People last tourney were saying Grimjow and Yuroichi are the same speed but she would lose cuz of hierro, but now people are saying the exact same thing for unreleased Grimjow.

[nick1689]

Ive already addressed all those points

Blah blah blah, basically what you said is that Yoruichi > Grimmjow and Byakuya > Zommari + Ishida combined.

Im not saying this at all. Im saying that Byakuya can delay them, and put up a fight, maybe take one of the out, before Yoruchi can finish her fight and assist him

And clearly Yoruichi > Grimmjow, no point in bringing up the obvious :del


What's the vote count? Youre going to win anyway


edit: I agree with e :C Grimm is at 38 while Yoruichi is at 46 for a reason

[BlackSmoke]

Jeez the wank for Grimjow seems like people are forgetting he is unreleased. People last tourney were saying Grimjow and Yuroichi are the same speed but she would lose cuz of hierro, but now people are saying the exact same thing for unreleased Grimjow.

Quit your crying and vote.

[Sajin]

Ive already addressed all those points


Liar :pek:gun


Im not saying this at all. Im saying that Byakuya can delay them, and put up a fight, maybe take one of the out, before Yoruchi can finish her fight and assist him

Ok, well Hado 33 means that GRC will be able to ge dodged, itll be easy for 2 speed freaks, and with his kido spell, he should be able to provide them an opening to dodge. Plus he has spells that can counter arrow spam, or they can just dodge

Honestly, now I see Candy's team taking the win.

Byakuya will be forced to engage Zommari and Ishida, but with the spells he's throwing out Byakua would be able to bind Ishida indefinately, while engaging Zommari (he's not stupid enough to fight them both at once when he has the ability to make the fights 1on1).

Yoruichi is fast as shit, and with their lack of knowledge on her, and should be able to blitz behind Grimm, and activate Shunko (or atleast jsut activate shunko right of the bat if she cant blitz him). Thatll fuck Grimm up, and allow her to blitz and finish him pretty quickly.

Now we have Ishida and Zommari, vs a tired Yoruichi and Byakuya. Yoruichi would be able to blitz Ishida (who is probabaly bound). Yoruchi will finish her fight before Byakuya finishes his (maybe, with knowledge on Zommari's clones, Byakuya should be able to finish first). Either way, Candy's team wins in my eyes.

Vote Candy

LIAR :argh:gun

And clearly Yoruichi > Grimmjow, no point in bringing up the obvious :del

She breaks her hands on his Hierro and Zommari solos her in this state :pek

What's the vote count? Youre going to win anyway

That's the only thing that saves you from my wrath atm :pek

edit: I agree with e :C Grimm is at 38 while Yoruichi is at 46 for a reason

Byakuya is at 24 while Ishida + Zommari are 36 (both 18 in average) for a reason :pek:gun

[nick1689]

Im voting again for Candy

Are the votes tied yet? :hurr

[Sajin]

Im voting again for Candy

Are the votes tied yet? :hurr

Okay, this vote may count but the previous one you made is pure BS, "Byakuya may solo" seriously? :facepalm So yeah, that makes only 1 of these 2 count :pek

[nick1689]

Im voting again for Candy

Is he winning yet? :hurr

[Sajin]

^This is obviously not a valid vote, it didnt even mention the strategies. Also this is clearly a spite vote because I blatantly exposed your limitless love of Byakuya.

[BlackSmoke]

Ishida is able to head shot all of Candy's players at the start of the match.
Yoruchi has no Kojaku knowledge and would be too slow to react.
Byakuya's Danku isn't able to block arrows, it's canon and has never been shown to intercept arrows of any kind.

[Sajin]

Sajin defeats Candy (5-2).

Sajin advances to the next round.

[nick1689]

^This is obviously not a valid vote, it didnt even mention the strategies. Also this is clearly a spite vote because I blatantly exposed your limitless love of Byakuya.

haha, youre acting as if im not joking

And you needa google the word 'spite' :hurr

[Sajin]

haha, youre acting as if im not joking

And you needa google the word 'spite' :hurr

This match is over. This isn't the place to spam, convo thread is this way ------------------------------------------>

[Candy]

I lost to grimm, agian

WhY!?!? whats the deal with grimm being by bad omen :pek

[Darth]

Vote Candy x3

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