Air Gear

[PhantomX]

Which is why I really really really want Ikki to be a normal kid. :\

[spaZ]

But the chances of him being normal are really low. But yeah I agree it would be so much better for a normal human to beat a gravity child of that caliber.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ Exactly...

@Agmaster: Yeah...as I was reading X-T's post, I thought about Ichigo (who is supposedly "pure blood" shinigami), naruto who is the son of the 4th hokage and has the kyuubi, Allen Walker (who is the "player" of the 14th Noah), Goku from the planet (can't remember its name...it has been so long). Despite the long list, for some reason it just feels like the male protagonist always seems normal or an underdog in some way or another.

Meh...maybe it is just me.

[Athrum]

I don't think you got what i said. You speak of mangas where the standard characters that surround the heroes are special too. The thing i meant and you can check this is that the hero is always an "inferior" and surpasses the others by they own hard work and merit (this is used in shonen manga to incentive you japanese to fight for their goals) and in AirGear something "inferior" is a normal human (he can't be the lowest Gravity child cause we all know that was Sora).

edit: muffin the 2 generations of Gravity Children aren't the + and the x.
The first generation was the Sora/Killik/Spitfire etc... generation and the second one was the Nue/Ringo/Black Crow team generation. The Brain Charger people are experiments made to allow normal bred humans to have the same skills as a GC.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

I don't think you didn't get what i said. You speak of mangas where the standard characters that surround the heroes are special too. The thing i meant and you can check this is that the hero is always an "inferior" and surpasses the others by they own hard work and merit (this is used in shonen manga to incentive you japanese to fight for their goals) and in AirGear something "inferior" is a normal human (he can't be the lowest Gravity child cause we all know that was Sora).

^^^ I bolded the very first sentence b/c it is a double negative-2 negatives make a positive. As it is now, that sentence translates as "you got what I said."

What you meant to write (judging by the remainder of you first paragraph) is either "I don't think you got what I said" or "I think you didn't get what I said."

^^^ Just a fyi...

But concerning the content of you first paragraph...there really is not typical/normal hero in shonen jump...

Let me give you examples...
DBZ...the prime example...Goku. He seemed like an ordinary human. He turned out to be a super saiyan that had been sent to earth...kinda like how Clark Kent is really Kal-Al who was sent to earth to escape the destruction of krypton.

Bleach...Ichigo Kurosaki...long thought to be just an extraordinary human with exceptional, inherent spiritual power...he is later revealed to be a "pure blood" shinigami...thereby, explaining his spirit abilities.

Naruto...Naruto...a punk kid that appears to be a dummy, a prankster, and above all a terrible student and ninja. But he held on to his dream of becoming a hokage with determination, patience, and perseverance to make everyone recognize his existence. Later it is revealed he is no ordinary kid as he is the container for the 9-tails and the son of the 4th hokage.

One Piece...Luffy, a seemingly normal kid who just aims to be a pirate...eats one of the forbidden fruits and gain Mr. Fantastic like powers.

D. Gray-Man...Allen Walker, a kid who happens to be born with a parasitic innocence in him...later gains the cursed eye from Mana. But till then, he just seemed like just a more reliable, more capable exorcist. And then, it is revealed that he is the "player" for the 14th Noah. And in fact, there is much speculation that he himself is part-Noah and the Heart Innocence.

Fairytail...Natsu...seems to be just an ordinary kid that easily gets motion-sick but turns out to be dragon-slayer/fire type user with tremendous latent potential.

Claymore (I am pretty sure this is considered Shonen)...Clare...
is revealed to be the weakest of all current warriors...but her body contains Teresa's flesh and blood...giving her Teresa's extraordinary abilities.

My point is everyone appears to be normal and then (sooner or later) it is revealed that they possess something extraordinary that separates them from the rest.

And I expect Ikki to be no different. The thing that Ikki has going for him (on the natural side) is his determination, his endurance/perseverance, and his ability to dream. But he, as Rika said, is "chosen" by the wind...Ikki just has a natural affinity and understanding for it...and others can see that. That is why people like Spitfire and Simca are so drawn toward him.

The only one that I can think of where the "hero" fits your definition of normal is Gantz (but I don't think this manga is shonen). Kurono is as normal as it comes. He is kind of like Ikki in that he is just extremely athletic, determined, and feared. But even Kurono's status is debatable since his younger brother has been revealed to be a "vampire" in the manga.

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edit: muffin the 2 generations of Gravity Children aren't the + and the x. The first generation was the Sora/Killik/Spitfire etc... generation and the second one was the Nue/Ringo/Black Crow team generation. The Brain Charger people are experiments made to allow normal bred humans to have the same skills as a GC.

I think instead of classifying the gravity children and its successors as generations, it is better to just classify everyone (not just the GC) based on the shape of the eyes. So that means I will no longer classify the gravity children into generations. But Sleeping Forest is an exception since they had the first generation team (with Sora as leader) and second generation team (with Ringo as leader).

So once again, everyone that has + shaped eyes will be called GC and anyone with the x-shaped eyes will be known as BC. Simple. This way we won't have to discuss generations which could get confusing.

but moving on

the BCs are really are not just x shaped...it is an x-shape imposed on top of a circle with 4 directions.
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4246/018019cb1.jpg

The symbol for the BC appears to come from the Egg of Judas (EoJ or EJ)...
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9625/009yh5.jpg

But there is something I should point out...when I was re-reading the chapters, I noticed that the book Kilik was holding has the BC symbol on the cover...
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7646/10rg8.jpg

Therefore, he could be informed of the BCs and later projects after the GC project...but that seems to be a given

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE EXCESSIVELY LONG POST. I know I said that I would try to keep make them smaller...well that got blown to hell.

I just wish there was more discussion on this thread.

[Jicksy]

@studmuffin - the bit with kilik n the book, i also noticed the resemblance... but i think there was something that aeon got a hold of in chap170/180 something that also looked like a book? ill have to check that one

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ my bad if someone had noticed it that before me...kudos to you...

I just recently started posting so I had no idea what others wrote before I arrived.

EDIT: I think the book you are talking about is the one that Aeon steals from the reporter dude that he paralyzes and then kills by exploding his apartment.

If so, that is chapter 182. I checked for the symbol but I didn't find it.

[PhantomX]

I don't think the Egg of Judas is actually anything, is it? I thought he was just being symbolic...

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ No idea, but i expect it to be a real thing...some kind of gene-altering organic medium...hence, the brain charger.

[Jicksy]

^ perhaps, but not necessarily, id say OG has some other mad stuff in store lol

[insomniac666]

^^^ No idea, but i expect it to be a real thing...some kind of gene-altering organic medium...hence, the brain charger.

naw, the egg of judas symbolizes that he has the seed of a traitor inside him, judas the biblical figure was an insider who led to Jesus' downfall from the inside, it's just a biblical reference accentuating Lind being a traitor to be and Ikki being a influential person on the rise, the egg of Judas is not an actual thing as far as I can tell, as for the symbol, it looks like a skeleton hanging from a cross, also the skeleton has one wing so that might represent him being a fallen angel or something along those lines, but who knows, it is OG:P

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ Wow...i did not know that...for all the books i have read...my knowledge of the Bible and biblical allusions is VERY LIMITED.

But now that you mention that, I do recall Kaito telling Akira (when Kaito purposefully gave Akito the purse) about how Judas betrayed Jesus and that Agito is Judas with respect to genesis.

But this is where I would like to point out something subtle. Notice that Kaito references Agito as the Judas which I find very surprising considering recent revelations about how Lind (and not Akito) is the original owner of the body. In fact, I find it VERY SURPRISING that Kaito has not thus once mentioned, hinted, or even as so much foreshadowed anything about a 3rd personality (especially considering how Lind is the original).

[Athrum]

Well, it all relates to some point, Kilik is reading the "New Testament"

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ how do you know that???

[Athrum]

It's says on the book cover lol

[dark0samurai]

It's says on the book cover lol

now you can have another cookie ^^

[Springlake]

naw, the egg of judas symbolizes that he has the seed of a traitor inside him, judas the biblical figure was an insider who led to Jesus' downfall from the inside, it's just a biblical reference accentuating Lind being a traitor to be and Ikki being a influential person on the rise, the egg of Judas is not an actual thing as far as I can tell, as for the symbol, it looks like a skeleton hanging from a cross, also the skeleton has one wing so that might represent him being a fallen angel or something along those lines, but who knows, it is OG:P

Well, according to the Bible Judas did hang himself after Jesus was crusified...

Might be a little symbolic I guess.

[Jicksy]

^ cud be... but it seems more likey to be used as a pun for something else, of which we dont know yet :amuse

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

It's says on the book cover lol

wow, i guess I was oblivious to it...

I am gonna go back and check.

EDIT: Couldn't find a page with the worlds "New Testament" clearly visible.

Around what chapter was it?? Do you remember??

[insomniac666]

yeah muffin, your earlier post about lind makes a lot of sense, I only know all that biblical stuff (im atheist) from lots of literature and philosophy I've gone over in class, I've had books with heavy biblical references, it's a common theme in philosophical literature.
As for the book cover, it's in one of the manga pages you posted:P one about the egg of Judas being on the cover of the book:amuse

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ I'm guessing u are referencing the post I made about Kaito differentiating Agito (and not Lind) as the Egg of Judas. Yeah, it is getting confusing/complicated with the split-personality beginning to play a seemingly even larger role.

As for the book cover, u are right, I posted it on pg. 238 of this forum and didn't even realize it. Thank you for pointing that out...positive reps are in order...

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

Hey guys... first post, but not first time here. I juss feel the manga's going to focus on Buccha after this because of his poor performance against the white wolves. I've also always been, and still am worried about onigiri. Do you guys think that he'll ever be a serious asset to the team, or will he always just be the horny jokester that gets a win simply by chance (being upside down) and gettin woman naked?

[blackness]

(...) or will [onigiri] always just be the horny jokester that gets a win simply by chance (being upside down) and gettin woman naked?

What on earth is wrong with that XD It's awesome!!! XD

[fxu]

I can't understand what this manga is about anymore.

These latest chapters .... I don't know what the fuck they are.... Ikki the leader of a religion, out of nowhere ? wtf ?

[Jicksy]

^ like ikki would want to be leader of a religion :lmao

ikki's just posing lol to get kazu bk in gear

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

I just feel that atleast for the tournament, he needs to prove him self able to hold his on. And I still feel Buccha also needs to prove himself cuz spitfire gave him so much praise yet he still hasnt really won any of his important matches for the team. Behemoth, white wolves, sabers juss to name a few

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ Yes, both Onigiri and Buccha need to improve themselves tremendously if they want to have any chance of contributing towards the team's success. If they are unable to improve rapidly, they will be undoubtedly be a hindrance.

Spitfire praised Buccha because Buccha is an unusual find. Spitfire comments that Buccha has two strengths: first, his unique physique which allows him to change from a cute, mega-fat guy to a fierce, mega-ripped AT rider AND second, Buccha's intelligence; his ability to grasp subtleties.

Spitfire also went on to say that thought Buccha is physically strong, his mentality is his weakness. Spitfire noted that Buccha proudly expects to win (everything) and if Buccha begins to fall behind or senses defeat, Buccha becomes easily frustrated and
is, therefore, quickly defeated.

Therefore, Buccha needs to strengthen his mind (as he was doing on the island near the waterfall) AND his AT-riding skills.

@fxu: I'm sure you know that the Aeon stole the flame regalia while the team was distracted by the prospect of an incoming hurricane/tsunami/typhoon/call is whatever you want.

Kazu is very disappointed with himself and depressed that he lost Spitfire's treasured regalia. Therefore, Kazu feels lost. He can't put his heart into anything: not friends, not training, and least of all, ATs.

To motivate him and truly start Spitfire's flame inside Kazu, Ikki persuades/bribes a former member of the East Gang (that now works as an assistant to the boss who runs the religion) to allow Ikki to work there. Kazu becomes drawn in toward the religion through underhanded tricks. Ikki (dressed as the masked leader Loki) challenges Kazu to a battle and promises to tell Kazu who stole the regalia if Kazu wins.

The battle is nothing more than a thinly disguised in AT parts war exercise.

@TecK - 2 - TorcH: I like ur sig; the second gve me a good laugh...

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

Thanks bout the second quote. I loved how Ikki tried to put the helmet bak together after it fell apart and then started dying of laughter. I'm upset that the anime cut that though. Anyway, Buccha will eventually come to his senses, but I'm still disappointed about Onigiri. Im all for the jokes, but is his "smell road" going to be enough? Do you guys think that there will be a serious of chapters on his growth juss lik kazu, or do u guys think that he's just going to be the same horny up-side-down AT rider? Question is open to everyone. Your thoughts?

[spaZ]

Kazu pretty much just pulled what Ikki did and being emo about something that he doesn't like or understand. Though I really wish OG! would get this manga back on track its starting to get a little what's it called dragged on.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

@Teck -2 - TorcH: I knew I forgot to talk about something in that post...Onigiri.

Honestly, I think that Onigiri is there as the wild card...the one that is full of surprises...plus his presence always seems to guarantee fanservice. Therefore, I do think he will get some more development but nothing special. And lets be serious, his smell road is not going to become a king's road. At least, 3 of the 5 members of the team are kings or potential kings; I did not include Sumeragi in the 3 b/c she is supposed to be neutral but b/c she is Ikki's tuner, she may as well be considered. I think Buccha will become amazing and develop his own road but will not become a king. Personally, I like Buccha but not Onigiri. Onigiri's character just never appealed to me. But he was good for the laughs.

@SpaZ: Yes, I think the story is being drawn out. I think if the chapters were 22-24 pages instead of 17-18 pages, it would be better. And sometimes we get only 15 pages (and that's including the cover). But yes, I don't think we will get to the Gram Scale tournament...not until late 220s or early 230s (and that's an optimistic guess).

I say that b/c I expect Buccha to have a training arc. I also expect Kazu to at least learn the whereabouts of the flame regalia and make an attempt to regain them before the start of the GS tournament. I also anticipate Sumeragi making Ikki the storm regalia and testing it before the GS tournament...I mean let's face it, even if Ikki tremendously improves his level...he will still get owned w/o any type of regalia...same with Kazu (but I expect him to get the flame regalia back as a convenient power-up during GS tournament perhaps by beating Aeon). But who knows, OG might even push the start of the GS tournament as late as the 240s and 250s...but let's hope not.

And let's not forget, the team must figure out a way to fight in zero-gravity and a way to defeat the Ringo in her domain (which according to Ringo and Kilik has so far been impossible even for other gravity children).

[Myrddhin]

no chapter this week and week before ?

[SaiST]

Air Gear and Hajime no Ippo are back this week.

[dark0samurai]

ive lost count on what chapter we're on now... is it 204?

[Zaru]

Now I continued reading where I left off, at 139 or something, and this manga is getting more and more strange/weird. It just doesn't make sense to me anymo-

Wait. Oh!Great. I shouldn't be surprised :edu

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ get ready for some mind-fucking (kinda)...

yeah...i got lost around there again...but when I re-read it (130-170) it made sense.

[SaiST]

Trick: 104 RAW (http://www.megaupload.com/fr/?d=1TMF0EDT) is out.

[Six]

So...Snail-sensei is going to america, Kururu is finishing the regalia, and... Ikki and Kazu are camping!? :argh

How does the author get away with this!? Aside the first two, it's just too random! :argh

then again it's O!G. :zaru

[tGre teh Disleksik]

HEY MAN... DON'T SELL OUT O!G SENSEI!

Other than that... the latest chapters involving Kazu and Ikki are pretty awesome... I'm happy where the manga is going so far XD

[Franckie]

This manga has gotten too fucking random. At first it was about the tricks and the thrill of AT; now it's about whose regalia has more firepower and fighting moves. If they're just going to fight like martial artists then what's the fucking point of wearing roller blades and doing tricks? The art is the only thing that has remained good.

[Athrum]

Actually the art did not just stayed good, it improved a lot :D

[blackness]

This manga has gotten too fucking random. At first it was about the tricks and the thrill of AT; now it's about whose regalia has more firepower and fighting moves. If they're just going to fight like martial artists then what's the fucking point of wearing roller blades and doing tricks? The art is the only thing that has remained good.

I thought so too, at first. I mean, remember Ikki meeting that old geezer, getting the Wind Regalia core, Simca and Spitfire's first appearance etc. etc. At first I thought "Well, random story, but at least a lot of fanservice"

And everytime I thought "Now it makes sense", things seemed getting random again D: I dont care as long as it's awesome =D

[Hangatýr]

I stopped reading. It's gotten too magical and shit.

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

This manga has gotten too fucking random. At first it was about the tricks and the thrill of AT; now it's about whose regalia has more firepower and fighting moves. If they're just going to fight like martial artists then what's the fucking point of wearing roller blades and doing tricks? The art is the only thing that has remained good.

I stopped reading. It's gotten too magical and shit.


Do u seriously think its gotten that mystical? I mean seriously, I understand where you guys can see where its gotten annoyin in the sense that their focusing on the Regalia, but this isnt that confusing. At least I wasn't that confused from 130 - 170. I also feel O!G does a great job explainin the physics of the manga and having it make some sense, ie Oh! time, Sonia Road, etc (though as an engineer major, I kno half of the crap is impossible) I juss feel you might have to read a chapter over twice here and there, but its not that random/confusing.

[SaiST]

The "fighting moves" are still tricks. Characters have simply gotten too far for O!G to waste two page spreads on the simple stuff they used to be doing in the earlier volumes. They're seamlessly moving around the battlefield with stuff like that now, and the focus is being placed on the use of their respective Infinity Atmosphere... And even then, the simplistic charm of the battles from before haven't been completely lost, we still saw quite a bit of that in Kogarasumaru's recent battle with the White Wolves.

Honestly, all of this business related to the Gravity Children, Brain Chargers, A-T technology, and the military have changed the story far more than the Infinity Atmosphere's recent emphasis in battles.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ Best post I've read in the past week. Well-written and well-explained.

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and as T-2-T said...the mangaka acutally does an excellent job of explaining the physics (of the real world) which serves as the inspiration...it is just that the way it is used in the manga is impossilbe.

For instance, the Lost Heat project (that was revealed as the source for all the Gravity Children and Brain Charger project) is based on real theories. But the solution that is presented in the manga is just...out there. If u know anything about thermodynamics or entropy, u know that the purpose of the Lost Heat project is noble but nearly impossible. It just can't happen.

[Franckie]

The "fighting moves" are still tricks.

That's precisely my point, calling a kick a "trick" doesn't change the fact that it's still a kick.


http://img16.onemanga.com/mangas/00000013/00000192/007.jpg
http://img16.onemanga.com/mangas/00000013/00000193/011-012.jpg

If you remove the AT, all you have is nothing more than another fighting oriented manga.

http://img16.onemanga.com/mangas/00000013/00000137/03.jpg

http://img16.onemanga.com/mangas/00000013/00000162/018.jpg
It's deviating from the initial concept of doing tricks and turning more into who has the most fighting skills. Things like Infinite atmosphere are primarily there for the fighting aspect, at least, that's what the emphasis on it has been on.

Even introducing the "Hurricane road" instead of just sticking with the "Wind road" is an example that the manga is heading towards who can outdo the other based on benefiting from the attributes of their regalia in terms of fighting.

Whenever you read a manga and elemental stuff starts being introduced, you automatically assume that it's going to be primarily for fighting; Air Gear is not any different -you don't need a flame to do a trick, it has a more logical purpose as a means to attack. That's why the manga feels random, it's trying to add depth that emphasizes fighting instead of doing actual tricks; if that's the case then AT riders become nothing more than martial artists with powerups.

I highly doubt anyone who read Air Gear from the beginning imagined that eventually, an AT rider was going to be shown taking out a helicopter with a kick that generates a strong wind.

http://img16.onemanga.com/mangas/00000013/00000158/019.jpg

I like Air Gear, but I hope it's not going to turn strictly into whose attack can create the biggest crater; there are countless other mangas that already fulfill that quota.

[Agmaster]

^^ == /thread

[dark0samurai]

Trick: 104 RAW (http://www.megaupload.com/fr/?d=1TMF0EDT) is out.

thanks for the raw... :thumbs:

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

Dam...Franckie just wrote everything I was thinking about at the moment...

it is so true...I thought Air Gear was gonna focus on tricks and who could do the crazies/sickest trick-ish things with AT.

For example, to expand on what Franckie was saying...when Spitfire was introduced and he kinda showed a glimpse of his flame road...by blazing a path through his speed...that was pretty dam cool. I thought to myself alright, he is probable one of the kings and his specialty is speeds. He is so fast...so fast that is "blazing-fast"...hence, the flame road. OK this makes sense...in a manga-ish sense...

But man, wtf happened??...he is supposedly so fast, he can not only generate fire through friction but also stop time...o rly?? srsly???

But I guess this was to be expected considering OG's other famous manga Tenjou Tenge.

[blacklusterseph004]

Some bits in the story's continuity has been getting a little confusing, though I've found that the manga generally seems to make more sense from Kuu's scanlations. It has diverged quite a bit from what we first knew, though I think it was on the cards since the beginning, since those stormriders first attacked Ikki's gang. There was always a comabt element, though you might see a shift back towards more trick less fighting orientated stuff when they do the team battles again. Disc and balloon seem very tactical, where beating other people up is somewhat secondary. Since they have to do these games to raise their ranking to qualify, it's probably something to look forward to if you're not so into the fighting.

I'm still loving the humour, artwork and Oh!Great's designs and concepts which are still some of the best in any manga currently running I feel.

[Agmaster]

Just..throwing this out there. I could not give two fucks about gravity kids. Period. Non humans ruined the story. And that makes me sad.

[DeathGuise_of_Oblivion]

Just..throwing this out there. I could not give two fucks about gravity kids. Period. Non humans ruined the story. And that makes me sad.

Which is why I love how our Protaganist and his Side-Kick are clean 100% Human. How do we know this? Because if it wasn't, Ikki would have already shown signs of GC/Extra-Ordinary behavior and it would've been recongized already. His Side-Kick, Kazu, is from a regular family with a nice older sister and two very busy parents. Yet they've shown EXTREME talent, Ikki with his connection to the wind starting from the time he was a child, and Kazu, who in his first battle showed off an INCREDIBLE amount of talent by starting off in a Track and Field Stance that would normally make you fall on your face and instead finished the race at an almost impossible pace. He was the first of the side characters to get a nickname.

Thing I love about Oh! Great, is that if someone has worked SUPER EXTRA HARD, they tend to win. Ikki is one of the most prime examples. His power upgrades never come from outta no where. In the beginning when they didn't know if he actually trained or not, they saw his own personal training ground. They saw how trashed it was because of how hard he practices.

In his time with Sora, his shoulder's were noticibly wider by Kazu and his perception and battle power were on par with Crazy Apple Ringo until she started using her Infinity Atmosphere. then with Bagrahm, he was able to almost completely over power her even after sustaining so much damage from her IA.

When you look at it, almost all the members of KGSMU are pretty much just exceptional HUMANS. Agito/Akito/Lind are the only real exception and even then, Lind is the only one to really be "special" with the other two just feeding off his power.

So, O!G is better than Kishimoto. Said it before and I'll say it again if you'd like.

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

IMO, The tricks are still there, and so is the innocents of the AT world that we were shown at one point, but what you have to understand and more importantly remember is that when the manga first started, it introduced with gangs fighting, not people tryin to out trick others.
Ikki was known as the best FIGHTER, not rider. We were introduced to all the tricks after all that payback drama wit the skull saders was ended. Ikki appreciated ATs, but he was given his first pair by Ringo and company to pay the skulls back. He didn't get the pair because he wanted to race, he got them because they felt sorry he got messed up in a FIGHT. It is only after his FIGHT, which TURNED INTO a race, where Ikki still used his FIGHTING mentality and launched the AT to hit the guy in the head, that he started to enter the "trick and racing" world of AT.
We were never lead to believe that it was only tricks and watnot. From the very start it had to deal wit fights, fighting, gang fights, and anything else wit a fighting mentality. The only things that lead us away from fights are rants that Ringo and Ikki go off on about "freedom" and "fly through" stuff. And the only reason there even was a focus on tricks was because of the parts war pyramid, which forced riders to use some tricks in certain wars. Look at the time that ikki and friends had to defend their territory... they had to FIGHT each night.
Every1 juss has to realize that this fighting element was ALWAYS here, and it was even introduced before ATs. to be honest, i love the trick aspect, but for those who truly have followed the manga would realize that the fighting is the true aspect of it, and ikki always expresses himself in a physical/violent way (when he received motivation from the recording of spitfire, he told everybody to hit him).

[Athrum]

Besides, one of the best parts of the manga (IMO) was a fight, the Behemot Cube was nothing more than a fight and you can´t say you didnt love it :D

[Ben Beckman]

Chapter 203 scanlation

http://read.mangashare.com/Air-Gear/chapter-203/page001.html

[Bergelmir]

Which is why I love how our Protaganist and his Side-Kick are clean 100% Human. How do we know this? Because if it wasn't, Ikki would have already shown signs of GC/Extra-Ordinary behavior and it would've been recongized already. His Side-Kick, Kazu, is from a regular family with a nice older sister and two very busy parents. Yet they've shown EXTREME talent, Ikki with his connection to the wind starting from the time he was a child, and Kazu, who in his first battle showed off an INCREDIBLE amount of talent by starting off in a Track and Field Stance that would normally make you fall on your face and instead finished the race at an almost impossible pace. He was the first of the side characters to get a nickname.

Thing I love about Oh! Great, is that if someone has worked SUPER EXTRA HARD, they tend to win. Ikki is one of the most prime examples. His power upgrades never come from outta no where. In the beginning when they didn't know if he actually trained or not, they saw his own personal training ground. They saw how trashed it was because of how hard he practices.

In his time with Sora, his shoulder's were noticibly wider by Kazu and his perception and battle power were on par with Crazy Apple Ringo until she started using her Infinity Atmosphere. then with Bagrahm, he was able to almost completely over power her even after sustaining so much damage from her IA.

When you look at it, almost all the members of KGSMU are pretty much just exceptional HUMANS. Agito/Akito/Lind are the only real exception and even then, Lind is the only one to really be "special" with the other two just feeding off his power.

So, O!G is better than Kishimoto. Said it before and I'll say it again if you'd like.

I dunno, I'm starting to think that Ikki might represent the pinnacle of the gravity children. His dad keeps on popping up here and there related to the gravity children, even the new generation. Even when Lind came out, didn't one of the people watching the fight mention Ikki's dad then? So yeah... Ikki might not be so normal. But Kazu? Definately. Normal and freaking awesome. Well, they're both awesome regardless.

[Mat®icha]

nice action. i liked it.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

I dunno, I'm starting to think that Ikki might represent the pinnacle of the gravity children. His dad keeps on popping up here and there related to the gravity children, even the new generation. Even when Lind came out, didn't one of the people watching the fight mention Ikki's dad then? So yeah... Ikki might not be so normal. But Kazu? Definately. Normal and freaking awesome. Well, they're both awesome regardless.

^^^ yeah, there is growing suspicion that Ikki is, perhaps, not normal as we would all like to believe.

and yes, actually it was Orca (the exploding fang king) that said something like..."I can't believe that Uncle Minami would go that far" after seeing the BC (brain charger). And we know that Minami left Ikki in the care of Rika who was the first Thorn Queen.

However, what we don't know is whether Mr. Minami was Ikki's biological father or a surrogate father. Either way, Mr. Minami may not have wanted to experiment on Ikki and therefore left him (or even hid him) in Rika's care. This way, Ikki still remains normal. However, this is of course just all speculation.

@T-2-T: Yeah, I agree...it just felt like this manga would be more concerning actual tricks...hence, that's why the chapters are called tricks. But yeah, it should have been expected that the ATs were just a means to create air-based combat/martial arts...I mean come on...OG can't resist bringing fighting (of some kind) in most, if not all, of his mangas.


I'm still loving the humour, artwork and Oh!Great's designs and concepts which are still some of the best in any manga currently running I feel.

^^^ I agree with this...if i could draw like OG...sigh...

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

But yeah, I am gonna knowingly double post...to force some more discussion...of sorts...

We know that there can be an infinite number of kings...Agito said that to Aeon Clock when Ikki was proving his worth to Yoshi by jumping. Agito said something along the lines of "there can be as many king as there are roads." However, Agito qualified this statement by explaining that the kings are called kings b/c of all riders, their abilities rely the most on wind.

Lo and behold, Ikki is now on the verge of becoming the OFFICIAL Storm King as Sumeragi begins developing the storm regalia based on the hurricane road.

My question is simple: If you could be a King...what king would you be (preferably wind- or sky-based) and what road would you own?

Personally, i would have wanted to be the wind king...not because it is cool but b/c I have always been fascinated by the wind. I grew up near a beach and if any of u have ever grown up on or near a beach you know that coastal lands have a nice unearthly, windy feeling to them...of course, this is not the case for all beaches.

However, since this wind king title is already taken...I wanted to come up with something original and I did.

I want to be the Cloud King and owner of the Cloud Road. I know it might seem corny or kiddish but whatever. I have also always been fascinated by clouds: I wanted to know what is to touch them. Can u even touch them?? Is it cold?? Is it icy-ish?? Are cloud soft?? Can you really stand on them?? (Sadly, the answer to this question is no).

I am not gonna come with up attacks...maybe at a later time...but for now, I wanna say that I would like to be cloud king.

Note: please do not say stupid things like the Smell Road b/c let's face it...that is dumb and will be never made into a king and/or regalia (at least, I hope not).

[insomniac666]

^^^rock king of the mountain road. I like strength and power, and since during battle scenes characters often have animals or monsters in the background representing themselves, I would want a Ram made of rocks to represent me. This ties in both the rock and mountain parts, and since I'm an Ares (zodiac sign represented by a ram) I feel it's most fitting to myself.

As for attacks, the mountain road would involve the ability to fight using the muscles throughout the body in one attack (i.e. like using your legs to add power to your punches) as well as just general strength and extreme vertical jumping ability. It's more of a brawling/martial arts road focusing on indirectly and directly using the legs muscles combined with other muscles to devestate the opponent. Also this road allows for extreme jumping capabilities as well as the inherit ridiculous sprinting abilities which come with the extreme training of the legs. There isn't much elemental or mystical crap.

As for the regalia (time for some OG! physics!!!), they would have some design where they would send a shock into the ground and then use the re-action force to send strenght throught the body and especially the legs and extremely amplify the bodies strength and jumping abilities. The drawback would be a cut in speed due to design and also the extreme weight (which also adds to the kicks drastically). That's my road in a nutshell.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ Thanks...that's pretty well-thought out...I'm impressed...pos reps are in order...

[Ramen_Bowl]

My question is simple: If you could be a King...what king would you be (preferably wind- or sky-based) and what road would you own?

If I had to choose a road - Flame Road. Being able to make it look like there's fames trailing behind you is pretty awesome, and plus the ability to temporarily paralyse people is pretty hilarious.

Originality wise, I would do something to do with Sound 'Sonic Road?'. Like something supported by Oh!Great's twisted use of physics, in that sonic booms are created or something like that. Twisted physics as in, jumping off a building and wallriding downwards and moving so fast a sonic boom is created, thus resulting in a 'cushion' that can provide a safe landing.

About the Gravity Children thing as well, I'm a little afraid that they might pull out a 'Ikki's not a normal Gravity Child, but he's an even better Super Saiyan Gravity Child!'

[Jicksy]

wing road suffices for me lol

as for something original... the Frost King of the Avalanche Road sounds gd

[Athrum]

He already exists, he's called Calintz xD

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^huh...someone please enlighten me...

I am guessing ur saying there is someone who serves as the inspiration for the Frost King of the Avalanche Road. Correct me if I am wrong.

[Six]

He already exists, he's called Calintz xDIsn't this the dude from magna carta? :awesome

[Athrum]

Yeah, the Phantom of Avalanche xD

[Jicksy]

lol i didnt know someone with a similar name existed :awesome

i gotta c this :hehee

edit : a korean only game? no wonder i havent heard of it :laugh

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

I found this great video on youtube...I should point out that this was a project for a professional film school. And when I watched it, I was reminded of Air Gear. I think you will see why...but be sure to watch the entire thing!!!

And in case u don't understand the video, read the comments below. Here is the direct link...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdUUx5FdySs

But I've also embedded the video in this post...check it out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdUUx5FdySs

I wanna know y'alls' reactions...

[Athrum]

Mmm i dont find the similarities with Ag there lol. But anyway the clip was really sad....

gixa, there's a Ps2 version of the Magna Carta game

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

I always hated that video, or atleast the ending... really cruel. great graphics though. But is there a translation/summary out for trick:204?

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ the ending was bittersweet...

the flightless bird wanted to fly, it completely changed its world. On the one hand, it experienced the joy of flight but on the other hand, the bird's determination led to its death. But at least, it got to fly...sort of...

as for a summary or translation of trick 204, I haven't seen or read one yet.

[SaiST]

as for a summary or translation of trick 204, I haven't seen or read one yet.
Hrrrmmm...

chapter starts with run and ine's progress with slowing down the clock tower. it would seem that the 2 have done all that they could in delaying the gst tournie. realising this, ine asked for run to take care of things while she announces that she will be going to america to make preparations for the "next stage". apparently, she will be meeting with someone who could be of "strength" for kururu... and here, we're shown kururu to be wrapped up in tonnes of mechanical parts, whily lying down on that place where she remade bagram last time... (bondage kururu ftw!! o_O) :D

going back to witness the aftermath of the fight between kazu and ikki, it would seem that after kazu was defeated, the 2 ran away, leaving black flame and gang to put up with the wraith of the boss of the organisation (yakuza btw). the boss mentioned that what he is concerned with wasnt the damage that the 2 did to the place, but instead was of the fact that they showed a real "miracle" to the crowd... and since his show is simply to give a fake hope to the "walking dead", this is unacceptable and threatens them to never show up there again.... hearing what the boss said abt the 2, black flame agrees saying that it is because those 2 are the "flameling" and "storm" which will lit up the fire within them all, (they wont allow any harm to go their way.) with that, all members of the flame team makes their appearance. amazed at their sudden appearance and seeing they are somewhat outnumbered and out-powered, the boss agrees to let them off, while also saying that its been 30 years since he has been burning... anyway, black flame then performs his magic trick as a short distraction while the entire team makes their lightning-speed exit, leaving cards each with a candle on top ("-_- talk abt flashy...)

joining up with our heroes, kazu is helping with wood collecting for their camp out (also where ikki have been staying btw). here, ikki reminds kazu that what spitfire left was "that" and that it is already burning within him. because of this, what kazu actually lost was simply a shoe and nothing else... agreeing with him, kazu adds that he's glad that he's able to start AT... narration in the background then says that kazu was next meant to say that he's also glad to have met ikki, but it never came out of his mouth and instead kazu decided to say that he really wanted to win against him... having said that though, kazu regrets it again as tears once more collects in his eyes...

with the 2 sharing the moment of their new-found resolute, the tower bells chimes... narration then tells us that its the 6th of the 9 chimes before the start of the tournament and it was as if its telling of the future path that the world will follow... black flame, however, believes that the chiming of the bell is a gospel for the arrival of hope and in this midst of deep darkness, the flame stands strong and beautifully shines its best...

as the final battle inches closer with every passing moment, small but surely, the flame of hope glitters!!
It was a pretty boring chapter. :I

[Athrum]

As far as their training goes this was one of the most interesting chapters, the tournament is near :)

[insomniac666]

^^^yeah I agree, gram scale is close-ish:nuts
as for the video, very bittersweet, but all in all I kinda liked it:amuse

[Athrum]

Chap.205 (http://www.megaupload.com/fr/?d=TI8KLA2Q)

Grab it while it's hot :D

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ thank you...pos reps...

EDIT: that bearded instructor-captain dude got what was coming...did he really think the Takeuchi brothers were going to let him live after he had served his purpose?!?!?!? The dude's a military officer...he of all people should have known not to have trusted the Takeuchi brothers...idiot...

Also...once someone gets the chance to read the chapter...can someone tell me what is written on Sora's back??? It is on page 6 of the trick 205.

and oh yeah...I wonder who the 2 chicks (I am assuming they are chicks) standing at the doorway on page 16 of the chapter are...

[Six]

raw time! :laugh

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ who is the chick in your sig...and what anime/manga/game is she from???

ot: Man, I would thought that Sora Scans would have caught up by now...

[Six]

^ click the sig! :argh

and about the raw: it sucked. where's kogarasumaru!?

so they took over the american ship, huh. just hurry with the tourney O!G, enough side trips!!! :argh

:sag

[Jicksy]

summary for chap 205 by whatever1811. chapter starts with hako tuning sora. apparently, she was doing some other stuff too (something nothing to do with tuning, i wonder what... ) and was told off by sora to not to do that and simply do what she's meant to...

2. aeon clock then makes his sudden appearance, to hako's chagrin, into the tuning room.. while hako attempts to hide her assets, she was told by aeon that she doesnt have to worry since he doesnt have interest in her... hako then comments to herself that she really hates him...

3. we're then shown sora's robotic legs and according to aeon, what was injured last time was simply his tendons and didnt actually reach the extent where his legs had to be amputated... sora then tells him that aeon's an idiot and that kiriku couldnt have possible done that and that it was his own decision to remove them... when aeon asks him why he actually did that, sora simply replies saying it is worth it and he will do whatever it takes to get his hand on the "sky"... aeon then laughs at him saying his dream is like those found in manga written by some mid-school kid...

4. next scene shows sora and the general having dinner talk with sora's dream. general tells him that back in his uni days, he was researching the wars between bugs as it shares similarities to the human world... while the success of the bugs are normally attributed to their numbers, the humans are more evolved and the decisive factor in victory is "technology"...and we're revealed here that world domination is the general's dream... general adds that for the first time in the birth of life, its not "strength" which will bring a man to the top, but "technology" instead and that he's a very lucky man to be able to be there in possibly the biggest "happening" in our 3.6 billion years of existance... sora joked asking to stop if not he's gonna kiss him (coz he's touched? :S) and anyway, the general says he doesnt mind and sounds of general attempting to land his smack and sora trying to avoid it is heard... "-_-

5. the scene then moves to hako trying something on her laptop and then sora, aeon starting to head out somewhere while nike is mercilessly slaughtering crew members... it is then revealed that they are currently on an Aegis battleship and apparently, they are hijacking it... communication system from an aircraft carrier is heard sending a distress signal since they have lost contact with the ship and it tells of someone hacking the ship's main system (probably hako, but...with a laptop?!! o_O) and also that codes have also been entered into the weapon storage warehouse etc...

6. the captain of the ship is then shown to have been "operated" on and is somewhat following orders to say what sora commands him to say, and that is to report back through the communication system saying nothing is wrong and that their communication system simply had a short malfunction... nike is shown still continuing his rampage on the ships crews...

7. as the sora's begin their plan of world domination, the "nine-fall" makes its 7th chime...hako wonder, does that chime signify genesis's funfair? or simply the tune of destruction? all she knows, she chuckles, is that the bell is chiming for someone...

the flowers of ambition begins it bloom....!


comment:
lol, we havent had such a chapter in a long time... at first i was skeptical abt it, but its been sometimes since we get to see the sora's do their stuff and throwing their killing intent and violent nature like that... just like to point out that its a nice constrast to the previous chapter that is full of hope/revial to this one that is full of ambition and/violence... O!G aint one of my fav mangaka for no reason

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

@Six: thanks...appreciate it.

@Gixa: thanks for summary...

[insomniac666]

if I could I would definitely pos rep you gixa but stupid server won't let me:huh
well anyways AWESOME fire emblem sig, LOVE those games, and thanx for the summarysmile-bigsmile-big
EDIT:yay, 7/9 chimes, gram scale comin soon

[SaiST]

Nice, Binktopia decided to pick up Air Gear (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32184). Guess they got a much better response from 203 then they had anticipated.

[spaZ]

But they still hijacked it from sorascans and hijacking is not all that cool...

[SaiST]

Hijacking?...

Scum-scans, Kuu, Sora-scans, Binktopia--none of them own the legal rights to this manga. They don't need to ask for eachother's permission just to start scanslating it. The worst you can do to another group is stealing their work--the raw scans provided specifically for them, or their translations. There's really no problem otherwise.

Would be nice if they could have somehow worked together, just like it would've been nice if Sora-scans worked with Kuu when they first got started.

[spaZ]

Hijacking aka stealing there project... its rude to do that in the scanlating world.

[Athrum]

well sora did that to kuu if you want to be picky about it :)

[spaZ]

Oh yeah I forgot about that... but than again kuu was like 10 chapters behind but yeah.

[Six]

lol in manga sora hijacks ship, here sora gets hijacked. :argh




....haha wut? :lmao

[Jicksy]

AG chap 204 and 205 are scanned at onemanga

[CoonDawg]

HAHAHAHAHA. This manga has gotten so terrible, I don't know how they can write it with a straight face. I started reading it because it was popular and there were TONS of boobies, and the art was the best in any manga I've ever seen. Now I only read it out of habit, and hoping for an end.

I love how they take over an aircraft carrier. Taking over an American Warship, having giant penises, boobies, eyes, being tall... The Japanese can only fantasize, can't they?

[KLoWn]

I agree that everything has gotten out of hand, too much fuckin über-high tech stuff.
I liked it better when there was straight up air trecking and team fights, like Kogarasumaru vs Behemot.

[Six]

HAHAHAHAHA. This manga has gotten so terrible, I don't know how they can write it with a straight face. I started reading it because it was popular and there were TONS of boobies, and the art was the best in any manga I've ever seen. Now I only read it out of habit, and hoping for an end.

I love how they take over an aircraft carrier. Taking over an American Warship, having giant penises, boobies, eyes, being tall... The Japanese can only fantasize, can't they?relatively, the foreigners in the show are generally taller. too bad there aren't many of them for you to criticize and compare to other characters.

leaving you aside, i agree with klown. too much hightech stuff, that doesn't really need to be there.

[Lord Genome]

I ignore the important things like "plot" and stuff and look at the pretty pictures.

Cause theres a lot of badass scenes there

[8ghosts]

wtf @ this manga

it is way different than the last time i read it (ariound chapters 60-80) :oh

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ yeah, it is...but it is an OG manga...just look at what happened in Tenjou Tenge...

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

@8ghosts

Honestly, I thought the same thing with the first few chapters compared to 60 - 80. It starting off with basic gangs, then here came the skulls, then this WHOLE new world of AT. It went in a completely different direction. The fact it went even deeper shouldn't be that much of a surprise, seeing that its OG. plus it honestly not all that far fetched seeing that all our technology is only the military's "hand-me-downs." so the fact that ATs and the GC started off as government experiments isn't that really farfetched.

I agree that everything has gotten out of hand, too much fuckin über-high tech stuff...

...? -_- are u seriously complaining about having too much tech? Whoever complains about TOO much tech. DUDE, i guess having a 47 inch and surround sound would b too much to u? we live in a world that we cannot possible survive without cellphones, yet Ikki only got a cell within the last 50 chapters (143 to be exact), and ur tellin me there's TOO much tech?! plz, i juss saw a 12 yr old wit a iphone playin a psp and wearing heelys on the train today. I think he had WAY more tech the Ikki, and better wheels. smile-big

[KLoWn]

...? -_- are u seriously complaining about having too much tech? Whoever complains about TOO much tech. DUDE, i guess having a 47 inch and surround sound would b too much to u? we live in a world that we cannot possible survive without cellphones, yet Ikki only got a cell within the last 50 chapters (143 to be exact), and ur tellin me there's TOO much tech?! plz, i juss saw a 12 yr old wit a iphone playin a psp and wearing heelys on the train today. I think he had WAY more tech the Ikki, and better wheels. smile-big
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/-KLoWn-/frustrated.gif
Is there even possible to get things more wrong? -.-'

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

^^^dude, honestly, its a manga... shoes that create flames and shoot jolts of lightning really isn't big of a deal. I just feel that the "uber-high tech stuff" doesn't mean that things are getting out of hand, its just OG being creative.

BTW, funny .gif

[KLoWn]

dude, honestly, its a manga... shoes that create flames and shoot jolts of lightning really isn't big of a deal. I just feel that the "uber-high tech stuff" doesn't mean that things are getting out of hand, its just OG being creative.
No, it's getting out of hand, just take a look at Soraz cyborg legs for one....
Not to mention Tool toul's über-tech church with cogs as big as houses.

[Gary]

i am trying to catch up on this manga and it s good =]

[The Sentry]

HAHAHAHAHA. This manga has gotten so terrible, I don't know how they can write it with a straight face. I started reading it because it was popular and there were TONS of boobies, and the art was the best in any manga I've ever seen. Now I only read it out of habit, and hoping for an end.

I love how they take over an aircraft carrier. Taking over an American Warship, having giant penises, boobies, eyes, being tall... The Japanese can only fantasize, can't they?

Yeh Japs have an inferiority coplex. All anime's prove it 100%

[DeathGuise_of_Oblivion]

HAHAHAHAHA. This manga has gotten so terrible, I don't know how they can write it with a straight face. I started reading it because it was popular and there were TONS of boobies, and the art was the best in any manga I've ever seen. Now I only read it out of habit, and hoping for an end.

I love how they take over an aircraft carrier. Taking over an American Warship, having giant penises, boobies, eyes, being tall... The Japanese can only fantasize, can't they?

No, it's getting out of hand, just take a look at Soraz cyborg legs for one....
Not to mention Tool toul's über-tech church with cogs as big as houses.


Yet there's a friggen good reason for it every time. I'm fine with O!G just giving it to me. You want mass explanations? Oh! Great can AND will give you them. The dude wrote a new chapter in the laws of physics during the F-Class match with the yellow jacket team(their like the Sabers or something). Thing is the math behind it was bogus, but he made me believe. Same thing with the C-class match with Behemoth. Aeon Clock can friggen DISAPPEAR! He gave us a panel of explanation. Hell, thats what Kuu was there for!

Now? I don't need that. He gave me enough reason and logic in the first chapter. He did his job, gave me enough time with a scientific side to appreciate it and now its on into more Sci-Fi stuff. Yeah, Air Gear is Sci-Fi. The initial thing has to do motorized SKATES, people. It started out sci-fi. Now you complaining about it for being what it is? Thats like somebody expecting a deep dramatic story of romance for Tenjou Tenge, a fighting manga? I'm glad Oh! Great gives me friggen plot in TT. When he decided to give more back story to the powers, thus the Feudal ARC, people SHIT BRICKS! There was an uproar of, "why is there plot in my action?".

To summarize, AG is Sci-Fi mixed with sporting. Deal with it or just stop reading. I mean, its not like anyone is FORCING you to read it. Some picked it up because it was "popular" neh?......when has AG been popular? We lose every Manga of the Month event. Don't we? Or did I skip out a month and miss this?

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

^^^ Seriously, I couldn't say it any better. Great argument DeathGuise_of_Oblivion. It's a manga, OG has the right to make things be "too much." But he does a great job explaining it.

[CoonDawg]

Anger issues much?

The manga did start out relatively good, I'll give you that. There were definitely good explanations to the stuff that they had. For example, I was extremely impressed with the blueprint that gave of the ATs. Even when things got a little magical, like flames and sound and shit, I gave it to them because it was explained and almost (almost) made sense. But then they went to the cliche "We were genetically mutated, born in tubes, and we've been lying to you your entire life, because we're bitchy like that", and then the series just took a sharp turn down fail. Character twists are cool, entire line-ups turning out to be either bad or polar opposite personalities is dumb.

relatively, the foreigners in the show are generally taller. too bad there aren't many of them for you to criticize and compare to other characters.

Actually there are quite a few Americans, all of them lying, cheating, evil, stupid, ugly douchebags. That was the whole point of the Japanese mockery: It's only fair, I think, considering OG paints us as retarded gorillas.

Just a little pissed off and offended, you should be too.

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

@KLoWn:

:neutral
...wow. umm... seriously dude?... :blink
Ok, so nobody is sayin there is anythin wrong with having your own point of view or thinking what you want. You stated you opinion on a forum, and because I felt different, I challenged it to start a discussion because, well... this is a forum. In forums, when you have an opinion, you should be ready and able to defend it with a strong argument (sorta like how they teach you in school when you write a paper), and I know you know this fact already because your not a noob. So why would u start spazing? I mean honestly, we're typing in textboxs in threads. Theres no reason to start tossing insults.

You have a valid point, but there's no reason to take things seriously when someone challenges it.

[Jicksy]

chapter 206 SPOILER trans by whatever181

"according to spoiler:

kiriku and ringo finally makes their appearance after a long while,

apparently it seems that the next chapter shows that its time of the president candidacy?

also, there might be a break next week..."

[maareek]

AG 206 raw is out. You can dl it from the sora scans forum.

Also Barack Obama appears in 206. I realy started to rofl when i saw it.

[maxhrk]

AG 206 raw is out. You can dl it from the sora scans forum.

Also Barack Obama appears in 206. I realy started to rofl when i saw it.

yeah i saw it too. i laughed hard. :)

'wtf what Obama doing in this manga?'

i dunno if it show that mangaka like Obama better than other canditates. :3

[Jicksy]

Chapter 206 RAW mediafire link = http://www.mediafire.com/?myjcerumbm1

[Six]

Ringo!!!! :wtf

Too bad there's no "To be continued" at the end, though. :(

O!G's taking another break... lazy guy. :notrust

[PhantomX]

OMG, I missed Ringo so hard... second favorite girl and she hasn't had so much as a cameo in months :(

I loled at Concentration Camp Kilik... wtf is he doing to himself?

[Jicksy]

^ kilik camp :lmao that bit was damn funny lol

@ PX ~ is the rumor about OG going on a long vacation from AG tru?

[@lk3mizt]

the fuck?

vacation?

nooooooooo! :arg

[Agmaster]

rofl rofl at the black chick being bonier than shell head. and barack obama....really? Real people?

[spaZ]

Omg was that obama? sure looked like him lol.

[Six]

haha, that was what i thought too. :laugh

[BlackSmoke]

So barack obama was in the air gear manga T_T ?
Eh should I start reading the manga I'm currently watching the whole series in the english dub. Which I must say rocks. Only promblem was watching episode 5 and simco was naked alot and my sis saw it...Er yea I love air gear. Glad I waited for english dub.

EDIT: SO went to one manga read like 2 pages of chapter 205 or whatever ....Just wwtf cats with wings and naked girls....cats tail looks like a penis 2 whatever ER yeah glad the anime doesn't end this weird...

[spaZ]

dub=shit
anime=shit
manga=awesome

[CoonDawg]

dub=shit
anime=shit
manga=awesome

I think all anime=shit, and I think all dub=/wrists. I only read manga, but I should probably force myself to watch some anime for educational purposes (I'm learning Japanese). I just can't seem to stomach it... The terrible jokes, the stretched plots, the poor animation (often times)...

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

I can't stand the AG anime because they've changed the beginning story soo much. Everything at the start is completely different. They skipped the whole arc about how Kogarasumaru found they're hideout and all the other secrets about the skool. they only showed that they got a room in the skool. some anime do a good job though, like one piece.
I don't understand what's goin on yet, but do u guys think that OG really meant to use obama or its juss a coincidence?

[spaZ]

No all anime = shit lots are good like onepiece. Just that airgear anime sucks compared to the manga and they cut it short which is pretty gay.

But damn OG! is awesome to put in Obama hahaha.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

It is a FACT that Air Gear anime f-ing blows!!! HARD!!!

The Air Gear manga, however, is pretty dam A-M-A-Z-I-N-G.

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On topic:

I don't like Ringo as much as I once did. DO NOT neg rep for writing that. I just like Sumeragi Kururu A LOT MORE.

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With that said, WTF IS OBAMA DOING IN ONE OF MY FAVORITE MANGAS?!?!?!?!?!?

Hmmm...maybe OG is an Obama supporter and couldn't resist using Obama as inspiration for a character...

...if that's the case...I am just stunned...

and I found this on the previous page...I thought it was hilarious considering Obama's guest appearance in Air Gear...


Actually there are quite a few Americans, all of them lying, cheating, evil, stupid, ugly douchebags. That was the whole point of the Japanese mockery: It's only fair, I think, considering OG paints us as retarded gorillas.

Just a little pissed off and offended, you should be too.

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Moving on...did anyone notice that Kilik has the left half of a symbol while Sora Takeuchi (the former Wind King not his twin Nike) has the right half of the symbol.

Moreover, Kilik looks emaciated...while Sora is a hunk and his twin bro Nike is just friggin' RIPPED.

[Six]

It's awesome that Kanon is afraid of Ringo now. And Ringo, by the looks of it, certainly has no interest for Kanon.

Ringo X Ikki. :pek

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ AWWWWW HELL NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Ikki x Kururu FTMFW.

This is by and large the strongest pairing in all of Air Gear. Don't believe me??? Check out other forums with AG pairing threads, particularly large ones (since they give the largest representative pool). You will find that Ikki x Kururu receives far greater support and appreciation than Ikki x Ringo.

[CoonDawg]

That would be because Ringo is a lying, self-centered bitch even to her closest friend while Kururu cares for him and Ikki even pictured himself with her.

Oh, I'll get 30 negs for that one, but I made 7 blocks in one day, only fair that I lose them all in another.

[spaZ]

I will always be a RingoxIkki fan since the two just seem to be one of my favorite characters in the magna and why not have them both together lol.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

Coon Dawg...don't worry about it...if u lose rep points...PM me...I'll pos rep u...

@SpaZ: I admit there were stretches of chapters (before Kururu was introduced) where I thought that Ikki x Ringo was a done deal. But then in other stretches, it felt that the relationship was one-sided...meaning Ringo saw Ikki with a romantic twinkle in her eyes while Ikki saw Ringo as a lovable little sister. But if there is anything that sustains the Ikki x Ringo fandom, it is that Ringo was Ikki's first potential love interest.

But note that Simca is ALWAYS stated as Ikki's first love. In fact, Ikki mentions that on different occasions...going so far as to call Simca "his goddess."

But as things stand now, I think the Ikki x Kururu fandom is just WAY TOO STRONG. And yes like CoonDawg said, Kururu's liking of Ikki is heartfelt and the connection that each shares with the other is simply genuine and borders on love. But as for me, I find Kururu A LOT more interesting and simply cuter/more adorable than any other girl in the manga.

[Six]

Nope, it's still Ringo X Ikki.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

Nope, it's still Ringo X Ikki.

^^^ I know u like/love that pairing...and that is fine. But like I said, realize that it may not turn out the way u want.

But hell...it may not turn out the way I want (Ikki x Kururu).

[8ghosts]

whatever happened to ikkixsimca :cry

I still haven't read past chapter 80 :LOS

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ That was the pairing I originally supported...but once u are introduced to Kururu, Ikki x Simca (eventually) becomes an afterthought.

[CoonDawg]

Because ringo is solidified evil?

I dunno, after Chapter 149 (http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/149/) I've done nothing but hate her and her sisters. The only one that I like is Rika, since she has no idea what's going on and is basically a victim to the whole ordeal.

I hope Ringo dies.

EDIT: This post came really late and I can't even remember who I was replying to...

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ I think u were replying to SpaZ's post...

but yeah...it is kinda like how u said...I didn't like how she seemed to genuinely care about Ikki but at the same time directly attack Simca (who Ringo knows Ikki loves) behind Ikki's back. Granted, Ringo had good intentions but her actions were just too evil (?) for my tastes. I just haven't been able to see her the same since. And I also hated how Ringo did not have the courage to tell Ikki (her love) who she really is.

What I am about to write next doesn't apply to just animes/mangas; it applies to real life as well: Not telling someone something b/c u felt it would hurt them is NOTHING, and I repeat NOTHING, to how hurt or betrayed he or she feels when they find out what u have been hiding.

Why? Simple. B/c it tells the person (who was in the dark) that ur love was, at best, cautions and conditional. It tells the person that u value discretion over openness. But, and perhaps most importantly, it tells the person u could not show enough trust in his or her own judgment. At least, that is what I got out of the entire Ringo vs. Ikki battle. In the end, Ringo admits her own cowardice and selfishness. But at least, Ringo somewhat redeems herself by admitting to her flawed intentions and actions. Moreover, it compels Ikki to question his own intentions /actions as well as his notion of freedom with respect to AT.

Even though I don't like Ringo as much as I once did, I do not want her to die. Bad. Very Bad.

As for Rika not knowing...I don't think that is entirely true. Rika must have known Genesis's true purpose. She may not know that it was Nike who began it as a way to help his twin older brother eventually realize his dream but I think Rika knew why Genesis began. Looking back, her conversation with Kanon (when he manipulates Ringo to fight Ikki and reconcile their differences) strongly suggests that.

[CoonDawg]

That's basically exactly what I've been saying: She more or less lived a lie about not even being a real human, what she did, and that she was actually an enemy, and she nearly drove him to suicide because of it. If he' known from the beginning, I surely wouldn't have cared.

[Jicksy]

where are all the AG anime lovers gone to lol

the only reason i even read the manga was due to the awesomness of the dub version of the anime

[Eurys]

It's awesome that Kanon is afraid of Ringo now. And Ringo, by the looks of it, certainly has no interest for Kanon.

Ringo X Ikki. :pek

Agreed. Kanon was never a true obstacle anyway. I don't remember which volume shed a light on this, but Kanon is actually very fond of both Ringo and Ikki, and wanted to help them when he did his little manipulation, kissing Ringo and all that. He probably wanted to move things and help Ringo be true to Ikki as she was struggling with how to tell him her secret.
This relation chart clears Kanon's feelings too.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3346/bonus0102bu5.th.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bonus0102bu5.jpg)

About Ringo, can we say misunderstood & unfairly bashed character?
Not that I expect every readers to love her, but some people are just ignoring facts and Oh!great's characterization.
So let's just say that I find her extremely more interesting than many female characters in that manga. I like that she has her own purposes and dreams, and is not just the easy love interest, who'll just cheer for the hero. She actually has her own place and role in the plot, independantly from Ikki. The fact she has to oppose him also adds a lot of delicious drama to their relationship instead of being a borefest.
Anyway, no matter what "wrongs" Ringo did to Ikki, she certainly helped him a lot more (she supported him more than he ever supported her tbh).

... And do not worry, Kururu's lovers. I won't neg you over a fictional character. Especially since I care less and less for Air Gear, the plot became way too convoluted and messy for my enjoyment :cry

[Athrum]

meh, the anime was crap even in the original version :P

and evil chicks FTW!!

[insomniac666]

KURURU FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ringo is a bitch:notrust
I mean when you look at sleeping forest, all you see are psychotic, evil looking deuschebags. The Horn King, I forgot his name, starts with a g, spent a couple chapters skinning people's faces and hanging them up and then trying to kill Kazu and Emily, just cuz he felt like it. Then theres the creepy psycho water bitch, that nearly kills black flame and simca. Then theres that Hangman dude, that was there during Kogarasumaru's fight with Kururu's dad, and he looked like a crazy asshole, and finally there's Kilik, who like stud muffin said, looks completely emaciated and psychotic as of recently. I'm gonna go ahead and judge by the pattern and association, that we can call Ringo a crazy bitch:amuse Also ringo's actions are completely bitchy in their own right to, but that's already been covered.

[Biolink]

Is there any fighting in this Manga?

I briefly watched the Anime,and it was interesting.Reminded me a lot of Jet Grind Radio,and Jet Set Future.

[insomniac666]

oh yes, there's fighting:amuse quite alot, i suggest you pick up this manga, it's very sweet:amuse

[Biolink]

Like what's the objective?

They have like all of these King of Elements and stuff,so why is everybody fighting?

[insomniac666]

^^^well some for parts, some for territory, some for fun, some for prestige, that's the basis of the whole AT world at the beginning, after that I can't say much without spoiling it

[The Drunken Monkey]

Damn, I forgot all about this manga till I saw this thread.

I stopped around the end of Kogarasumaru's and that team with all those seniors. Can't remember what chapter...

[CoonDawg]

Yeah, there's lots of flighting. And killing, too, which all takes place on rollerblades since no one in Japan has ever heard of a gun.

I know I've just been sitting here bashing for like 3 pages, but am I the only one that rolls their eyes when Manga (Shounen in particular) does that? They go out of their way to kill someone in a ridiculous manner. For example, Ikki is trying to get better than Sora so her can beat/kill him in an AT match for revenge. You know what I would do? Buy a gun from a dealer (They have them in Japan) and cap his ass next time I saw him. Problem solved, and it took zero effort from your part.

[insomniac666]

^^^but didn't you know, the enemy is invincible unless you fight completely fair and get your ass kicked repeatedly until you finally win at somepoint:laugh

but yeah I agree, manga (especially shounen) can do that alot, agreed, but it also allows for much more development, story, and sometimes there's even a pretty good reason for all the training, so I don't mind it too much.

[Six]

:cryyou're sooo cool. :wtf

because you have that suikoden 2 avatar! :sag Suikoden 2 FTW!!! :yell
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I also think that whatever Ringo did was justified. Besides, she's 15. and she had that secret since she's... i dunno, 8? it's not that long and she's still young. it's understandable she doesn't want to involve ikki in anything dangerous she and her sisters does. probably because ikki is their only connection to the normal world, until he got involve in ATs.

And dont forget. the entire manga all happened in a time span of more than just one month. correct me if i'm wrong, but the enemies (ikki's enemies) always criticize ikki of only starting ATs a month ago (correct me if i'm wrong, it could be 3 months or something.), so about relationships, i think ikki's relationship with ringo is more developed than any other girl in the series.

he met kururu like... probably weeks prior to the latest chapter. i can understand that this relationship can still be developed, but as of now, you just can't hate and put ringo out. she's been in lvoe with ikki since... forever? and simca's a crush; an idol to ikki, so i doubt he really has feelings for her. (although you couldn't say the same for simca, she seems to really have liken ikki as of late.)

what's more amazing is that these 3 girls are like, queens. 3 big leaders all after ikki. :nuts and all ikki does is hang out with agito and camp with kazu, wth. (lol)
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i typed too much! :argh

[PhantomX]

Aye, but your conclusion was worth the tl;dr. Don't forget that they're already in High School now while Kururu is still only in middle school. I think more than a month has passed, lol.

[insomniac666]

^^^how old is kururu:huh

[Agmaster]

Yeh, but wheres the fun in that? I'd rather beat someone down with my fists than a gun if I wanted to take them out. Guns are the cowards root for people who can't or won't win on their own power.

But it's technology you say, then fine I concede if you build a gun on your own, kill all you want with it.

[Six]

maybe 14. :laugh

[Biolink]

Yeah, there's lots of flighting. And killing, too, which all takes place on rollerblades since no one in Japan has ever heard of a gun.

I know I've just been sitting here bashing for like 3 pages, but am I the only one that rolls their eyes when Manga (Shounen in particular) does that? They go out of their way to kill someone in a ridiculous manner. For example, Ikki is trying to get better than Sora so her can beat/kill him in an AT match for revenge. You know what I would do? Buy a gun from a dealer (They have them in Japan) and cap his ass next time I saw him. Problem solved, and it took zero effort from your part.

Is Sora the Wheelchair guy?

[Six]

Yeah, there's lots of flighting. And killing, too, which all takes place on rollerblades since no one in Japan has ever heard of a gun.

I know I've just been sitting here bashing for like 3 pages, but am I the only one that rolls their eyes when Manga (Shounen in particular) does that? They go out of their way to kill someone in a ridiculous manner. For example, Ikki is trying to get better than Sora so her can beat/kill him in an AT match for revenge. You know what I would do? Buy a gun from a dealer (They have them in Japan) and cap his ass next time I saw him. Problem solved, and it took zero effort from your part.im just wondering, would you be able to enjoy the story if that were to happen?

and about the gun thing, i know this might not make a difference since we're talking about manga, but japan has probably got the strictest law against having a gun. it's not like the states where you can get it anywhere. that being said, it also doesn't seem hard for sora to be able to get his hands on one. so i'm not necessarily contradicting you. but ikki's just a kid. and i don't think humanity is in such a stage of cruelty, that you'd want to go guns blazing just for revenge. let alone kill.

[insomniac666]

@biolink: yeah, sora is the one in a wheelchair
@six: 14, and Ikki's what 15, 16? Well anyway I really do agree with you, but I can also see where Coondawg is coming from also, but still in the end I agree with you

[CoonDawg]

IRT Six:

Well I can hardly enjoy all the people killing each other on Rollerblades, can you?

I'm well aware of strict gun laws in Japan. You know what's worse than carrying a gun in Japan? Killing someone with rollerblades. Something to ponder.

[insomniac666]

^^^that does bring up an interesting point

which is more brutal: beating someone to death, or shooting them

[Athrum]

Dude if you don't like the killing with rollerblades don't read it, don't even read shonen cause you''ll have killing people with swords, balls of energy, ninja tricks and guys made of rubber :S shonen is always like that, if you don't like it try some seinen for the grasp of reality (and it doesn't always happen there either)

Anyway Six, they had 2 summer vacations already so it means at lest 2 years passed in the manga..

[Jicksy]

^ 2 years eh... id say thats about right... maybe a little less but ye, that wud make ikki 14/15 then right

[insomniac666]

2 years, really:amazed
I'm reading some of the chapters again, and I just saw on like 168/9 or so, the old principal dude, said that Ikki had been doing AT for only 6 months, so I think at the point we're at now, it's more like a year or so

[PhantomX]

I approve of your current set, gixa.

[CoonDawg]

The amount of summer vacations means nothing. Do you read Gacha Gacha Secret? They've had like 5 new years, and they're still 16.

I suppose if you can kill people with rollerblades, you might as well bend time, too.

[Jicksy]

I approve of your current set, gixa.

who, ever needed ur approval :pek :lmao

does those bells that have been chiming in the chapters, mean that the tourney is one step closer to beginning each time one rings right?

[Jicksy]

AG chapter 206 Summary by whatever181 1. chapter starts with kiriku doing pressure training and om asking him to stop before he becomes like "tomato ketchup"... kiriku then asks her to continue increasing it simply because if he's unable to withstand that pressure, his body would be like paper in front of the "wind"...

2. ringo makes her appearance and meets up with kanon, who shows her the design of her new thorn regalia which is designed by kiriku. it is said its power output is increased by 25% and there is also improvement on its energy performance... somewhat disturbed by ringo's silence, he asked her if she's still angry for that time and this caused ringo to stare at him (with "of course i bloody am" written in her eyes... ok, i exaggerated what was written there but its the same meaning ) and this got kanon depressed...

3. kanon then explains that, she should trust him, considering he's her most important partner and that originally, because they are the "gravity children", there is no need for "link tuners"... however, this situation is different with this "sleeping forest" considering the regalias they use are degraded copies of the originals (o_O) and hence they need tuners to help them bring out their full battle potential with those regalia-copies... he added then that, if only she had received tuning once before the battle with ikki, then her thorn whips would have torn the "wind" apart (she hasnt been tuned yet? i tot she was all she said she did in the hospital arc?)... ringo then comments that she(herself) is despicable... she only wanted to not return but at the same time, she didnt want to again break the "chains" that ikki destroyed for her the other time...

4. kanon then adds that time is running out and that the battle involving countries separated by seas will begin soon... and they, "sleeping forest", will face off with their "destined enemies" in an official battle for the birth of the 9th road's regalia...

5. in america, ine finally meets with the person she mentioned last chapter which could be "their" strength...apparently, it is with joanna, the runner she helped tuned last time and allowed her to break the track record then... the suprise though, is that its not joanna that could help her, it would be instead be her old friend - john omaha, the next presidential candidate!! (obviously, he's meant to be an image of barack obama )

6. back to the training grounds of sleeping forest, kiriku is just done with his pressure traning and we're shown his back, it apparently has one-half of a tatoo sora has on his back, signifying some connection between the 2 last time during their research days... here kiriku greets ringo as "president/head/boss/etc"... ringo, seeing his worn out body, comments to herself that because of his excessive overtraining, his muscles reached a point where it overtrained and instead became compressed and solid like a "stone"...

7. ringo then asked kiriku what will happen after "sleeping forest" defeats sora and also what kiriku desires or what he will be fighting for after they destroy genesis... this question appears to take kiriku by surprise and he didnt give an answer...

8. as the "nine fall" makes its 8th chime, ringo, similar to the case with ikki/kazu and sora in previous chapters, makes her resolute - there is no need to think of what will happen after this battle, they should only think of the battle in front of them!! she then proceeds to (imaginarily) chain herself back and thinks to herself, everyone is fighting for someone else and she, herself, decides to return to the forest, for she is the sleeping forest's thorn queen... if she is to turn her back to this battle, she will never forgive herself!!

with everything in place, the queen/ringo once again returns to the path of battle/thorns..!


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all 3 sides's resolute finally shown ^_^ i guess everyone would be gathering at the entrance of the tower next chapter for the final chime? considering buccha/onigiri/emily or what have u havent had their development, i suppose those will be done during their individual battle inside the tower itself?

and yeah, i kinda agree... i think O!G seems to have lost his touch with drawing kiriku, om and ringo after some time... the first few drawings of them are somewhat... of lower standard but they improve throughout the chapter :S

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

I have to say, even though I don't like Ringo...she just looks hot in Gixa's sig...just something about her facial expressions...and the angle at which she wears her glasses...

but looking at what she is wearing (in the sig)...it looks like something Simca would wear...in fact, didn't Simca wear something similar when she visited Kazu while Ikki was in the hospital.

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Anyways, like Insomniac said, I was under the impression that about a year had passed

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And as for Kururu not knowing Ikki as well as Ringo knows Ikki, just u wait...Kururu will know everything there is to know about Ikki...

Just refresh ur memories and look at the following pages (it is one of my favorite ones from the entire manga)...

Pay particular attention to the words...

http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/119/10-11/

I do not think there has ever been a page where the bond that Ikki and Kururu share or will share has ever been made more clear...


I just love how OG so beautifully explains Ikki's and Kururu's relationship...it is both poetic and romantic..."Soon 'wind' and 'sound' will harmonize and become one." If I could say something half as beautiful to a girl...well...

And to my working memory...I do not think OG has EVER, thus far, provided a page in which Ringo's relationship to Ikki has been shown so well (in both art and words).

In fact, if u read the bottom panels of the page I provided, u will see that OG strongly suggests (in hindsight) that despite the love Ringo has for Ikki, in the end Ringo's duty is destined to doom her love for him.

Just my two cents...

But like I said before...if there is anything that sustains the Ikki x Ringo fandom, it is the fact that Ringo was Ikki's first possible love interest. In light of decent developments, however, that pairing appears *key word* to become less and less likely.

[Athrum]

The only thing that still bothers me about this manga is the way Kilik seems younger now than in the first flashbacks in which he appeared. I mean c'mon here he seems at the same age than Ikki and Ringo and he should be around 21, meh...
Besides no matter how much compact his muscles are he still looks really skinny compared to Sora....i won't even comment on Nike lol

[Biolink]

Alright so I just started reading it.At Chapter 70 the Behemoth story ARc.

It's a really cool story.Just makes me imagine what if A-T's really existed :zaru

Having said that,most of the characters are cool,but oddly enough I don't like Ikki/Crow-kun.I like his teammates especially Kazu,A- k/g- ito, and Buccha a lot more.

He seems just a tad bit too much of the Typical Shounen.Cool guy that leads by example,funny,cocky at times,has the answer to every problem,is adored by everybody(OMGZ!DA SKY KING!),and is terrible at everything except street fighting and now Storm Riding.Tolerable from what I have read so far,but I like his teammates a lot more.

[Reincarnation]

Alright so I just started reading it.At Chapter 70 the Behemoth story ARc.

It's a really cool story.Just makes me imagine what if A-T's really existed :zaru

Having said that,most of the characters are cool,but oddly enough I don't like Ikki/Crow-kun.I like his teammates especially Kazu,A- k/g- ito, and Buccha a lot more.

He seems just a tad bit too much of the Typical Shounen.Cool guy that leads by example,funny,cocky at times,has the answer to every problem,is adored by everybody(OMGZ!DA SKY KING!),and is terrible at everything except street fighting and now Storm Riding.Tolerable from what I have read so far,but I like his teammates a lot more.
lol normal i think all AG fans feel that way about him :P

[Biolink]

lol normal i think all AG fans feel that way about him :P

Glad I wasn't the only one.

Oh and Kazu becomes Flame Road king.That seems cool.Can't wait to read that.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

I actually like Ikki...but maybe that is b/c of all the relationships he shares with the characters...like his growing relationship with Kururu Sumeragi.

As for Agito/Akiro/now-Lind...I like him/them b/c of the personality changes...

As for Kazu...I like his growth but I don't like when he whines like a BIATCH for his supposed lack of strength/ability/power...

[insomniac666]

^^^yeah, I completely agree, you have to delve into Ikki's character to really apreciate him, he brings alot of humor and indepth relationships, and also, alot of people don't like him, honestly, Buccha sometimes shows alot of dislike sometimes and Emily and the other one (forget her name, the one who likes Agito) also aren't too much of a fandom, and then as it goes on, he becomes alot more human with further developments. Also Kazu is cool, but is such a BITCH way to often. Agito is really funny and condescending, and I love the random "FUCK"s, reminds me of myself, lol, and the personality changes are interesting to say the least.
@X-T: yeah ur really right, and what about Simca, she looks like 16 and she's as old as Kilik:huh Sora is sculpted and Nike is ripped, but we have yet to actually see a full on hulking mass, excluding Buccha who is only like that every now and then, in fact, based on Tenjou Tenge and this, I think OG avoids drawing hulks, since there are very few in both mangas

[blackness]

...For example, Ikki is trying to get better than Sora so her can beat/kill him in an AT match for revenge. You know what I would do? Buy a gun from a dealer (They have them in Japan) and cap his ass next time I saw him. Problem solved, and it took zero effort from your part.

WOULDN'T WORK!!!! He'd make a magic.... eh, i mean, extremely condensed wall of air-pressure and your bullets would do like NOTHING! Cause extremely-condensed-wall-of-air-pressure > guns!

Yeah, that's the way it is!!

[Deputy Myself]

about the guns issue. Who needs a gun when they can take down a helicopter using rollerblades, or freeze everyone within sight, or turn invisible, or summon hurricanes.

Besides, the more advanced riders go way too fast to properly aim a gun at in the first place.

[8ghosts]

so ikki has the same disease that ichigo has? doesnt want a girl? prefers fighting? etc :oh

[blackness]

so ikki has the same disease that ichigo has? doesnt want a girl? prefers fighting? etc :oh

Yeah. Deadly brain disease... http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/97/14/

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

...
And as for Kururu not knowing Ikki as well as Ringo knows Ikki, just u wait...Kururu will know everything there is to know about Ikki...

Just refresh ur memories and look at the following pages (it is one of my favorite ones from the entire manga)...

Pay particular attention to the words...

http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/119/10-11/

I do not think there has ever been a page where the bond that Ikki and Kururu share or will share has ever been made more clear...


I just love how OG so beautifully explains Ikki's and Kururu's relationship...it is both poetic and romantic..."Soon 'wind' and 'sound' will harmonize and become one." If I could say something half as beautiful to a girl...well...

And to my working memory...I do not think OG has EVER, thus far, provided a page in which Ringo's relationship to Ikki has been shown so well (in both art and words).

In fact, if u read the bottom panels of the page I provided, u will see that OG strongly suggests (in hindsight) that despite the love Ringo has for Ikki, in the end Ringo's duty is destined to doom her love for him.

Just my two cents...

But like I said before...if there is anything that sustains the Ikki x Ringo fandom, it is the fact that Ringo was Ikki's first possible love interest. In light of decent developments, however, that pairing appears *key word* to become less and less likely.

Very valid point, but what makes you so sure that it's the kinda relationship you think? Though it may seem that it is a love interest, OG introduced tuners as having a close relationship with the riders whether in love or not. Look at Ringo and Kanon relationship when it was first introduced. The 2 page poetic spread might juss explain that with Kururu, Ikki will be able to fly, but because Ringo doesn't want Ikki to fly, she would be the one to destroy the "melody." I'm not takin sides, juss want you to realize the possiblity of ikki and kururu having nuthin more but a rider/tuner relationship

[CoonDawg]

http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/206/001/

omfg... It really IS Obama! Well, his name is "John Ohama", but he's a U.S. Presidential candidate.

50 bucks says tehre will he a "John Cane". Maybe the presidetional election here will determine what happens in the series? Like, they both have their own plans, and whoever becomes president changes the course in Air Gear?

If that were true, I'd be semi-interested in this series again.

[Biolink]

Okay,now I genuinely hate Ikki.

I'm on Chapter 90,going through this Genesis story arc thing,and good God he is a pompous motherfucker.

He'll probably change,but God,his teammates seem that much better compared to him now.

For a boring character IMO,he's getting way too much attention(Even if he is the Main Character).

EDIT

Heh Heh.Looks like it was all a ploy

[Aku Shinigami]

Great Obama cameo! I was laughing so hard after I saw it.

[SaiST]

Heh Heh.Looks like it was all a ploy
<Ikki> ...I, the world's number 1 best main character...

:)

[Blind Itachi]

So Hilary also declined to be in Air Gear?...

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

@Biolink: I had the same exact feelings about Ikki as well,... he always seems as if he has no special abilities and that everyone hypes him up, but as you go on, his true talent starts to be made more apparent. Its hard to see it, or rather appreciate it, (it being his talent) in the earlier chapters. You get to really see his awesome abilities in his fight with Ringo later on.

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I think its hilarious that OG would use Obama. I really cannot wait to see where he's going to go wit this. Next thing you know, he'll have his own road and Hilary will be his tuner.
But on a lil more serious note, I initially thought he had something to do wit the originally government project that start it all, but if that was the case he would have noticed who Ine was. I have no idea which direction this is going to go. Any thoughts?

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Also to what I said earlier about the Kururu x Ikki x Ringo issue, http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/119/10-11/ may lead us on, but how does that lead you to believe that Ringo and Ikki have more of a chance when this happened : http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/142/18-19/

[The Sentry]

Air gerar is shit. I stopped reading after Nike showed himself

[insomniac666]

@gixa: there's a panel, I don't know which one, but it says, "tuning is the same thing as falling in love", believe it's during the Kogarasumaru vs. White wolves arc
@biolink: yeah you go through that faze for a while, but yeah, he soon becomes one of the best main characters I've seen in a very long time
@those who are talking about obama: I really like obama and all, but I really want him to get out of this manga as quick as possible, the more real life people, especially candidates, the more contraversial and odd the manga will get
@T2T: Ringo forced that kiss on him, Ikki has repeatedly shown that he really likes Kururu and hasn't even thought of Ringo as far as we know in a long time, and there is no doubt Kururu likes Ikki too, remember the scene where she crawls into some dudes bed cuz she thought it was Ikki, and then when she screamed Ikki came running out naked in a frenzy just to save her. Same thing when her dad picked her up, he freakin crushed the car and nearly killed her dad, when he saw that she had been hit.

Air gear 206 trans is on onemanga

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

^^^True, but Ikki would do those same things for Ringo. I agree that Ikki has some serious/confused feeling. (confused meaning he couldn't call her by her first name for a while, and when onigiri had ikki think of his true love and he saw kururu, he woke up upset - look at my sig for the picture). He would do all those things for Ringo too, and we have evidence in the very first chapter when one of Ikki's old goons tried to hit on Ringo and ikki knocked him up (i think). Anywho, its lik I said before, I'm not takin sides, but I still feel that the possibility is totally still there.

Ringo was always portrayed as the girl closest yet at the same time most distant to Ikki. She kept all those secrets from him, yet tried her hardest to draw close to him in a relationship. when simca was introduced, it looked like she was goin to steal ikki from ringo, and now kururu. Yet she's still here and still a threat to the other 2. I don't even think that simca really wants ikki as much as the other two, let alone feels for him on a serious personal level.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

@T-2-T: Like Insomniac pointed out..."tuning is falling in love." Hence the whole thing with birds and their calls and what the convey (love); therefore the sounds that are made by tuners while they are tuning sound like bird calls.

Right now, Kururu has the best shot of being with Ikki in the end b/c of her growing/developing relationship with Ikki.

However, I wouldn't count out Ringo. Remember, it has been foreshadowed that Ikki will have to fight Ringo in her own domain and that thus far she has been undefeated in her own playing field. During that fight (much like the first Ringo vs. Ikki fight), Ikki and Ringo might come to an understanding from which they (re)kindle a possible romantic relationship.

And yea, I agree...Simca did seem like she romantically loved Ikki but now she appears more to be a very concerned older-sister who looks out for her younger brother for his sake just as much as her sake. Let's not forget, she likes/loves Ikki for his potential and ability.

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@Biolink: Like Saist and T-2-T have said...you will grow to like (maybe even love) Ikki. Yes, he does come off as full of it at times...but you will consistently see that he and Agito/Akito are always in the know and are just putting on a show...

Right now, AG is one of my favorite mangas...it just resonates with me...my feelings...my ideals...my hopes. I've said this before: I believe OG wants AG to be a manga that forces us to think about our notion/value/ideal of freedom. In the manga, it is shown as the freedom to fly through the sky. But at what cost to the others stranded on the ground? But that's the philosophical aspect of the manga which may not be your cup of tea.

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@Sentry: I don't know what to tell u. Maybe AG just wasn't ur thing. Maybe u should try reading it again. But then again, may you'll only think worse of it.

[Biolink]

He's funny,and all albeit I don't find him that interesting.I rarely do find guys that were talented from Day 1 all that interesting though,with the only two I can think of being Kenshiro(hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star) and Kenshin Himura(Samurai x).There really isn't a problem with him,so much that I hate how other character emphasize how super talented,and gifted he is.Like he isn't even human anymore.

Example:

http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/129/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/129/07/

I understood a hundred chapters ago that he was super special,and different than everybody else.Stop beating this dead horse

[T4R0K]

Air gerar is shit. I stopped reading after Nike showed himself

Oh, I thought it was because Ogure Ito is pro-Obama...

Anyway, I was "OMG AWESOME !!!" at the Obama/Omaha cameo ! But, who wants to bet it could have been Hillary if the result of the nomination was her ? And, what would be her name in the manga...?

Ah, who cares ! Obama !!!

[blacklusterseph004]

Wow, john Omaha really took me by surprise. I didn't think OhGreat would go there.

In the preceeding chapters, I'm liking the new tricks, especially Pile Tornado and After Burner. I didn't expect Kazu to pull out Time either, though I would have preferred if the explanation was simply stopped time. It seems more convoluted now that the managaka tries to explain how it works.

[KuronoX54]

You know air gear's a great manga Obama's in it!

[Biolink]

I'm crying right now :(

Fuck Sora and his brother Nike.That son of a bitch Sora.I hate him with a passion

Iron/Aeon Clock was a fucking beast,as was Spitfire.Went out like true warriors.

I hope Ikki and Kazu fuck those guys up in tandem.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ Now ur feeling it...that RAW emotion...it's GARRRRRRRRRRRR

not quite TTGL GAR but still GARRRRRRRR

but yeah...the chapters where Nike and Sora just CRUSH Spitfire and Aeon Clock were the hardest to understand...maybe b/c I didn't want to believe/accept what I had just read...after all, I really liked both of those characters.

But yeah...the craziness isn't over yet...just u wait...I would say more but then I would be a party pooper...

[CoonDawg]

I would say more but then I would be a party pooper...

Kazu dies.

Also, Kururu might be pregnant, they left it on a cliffhanger this week.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

awww come on man...NOT COOL...NOT COOL AT ALL. :P

[Biolink]

Kazu dies.

Also, Kururu might be pregnant, they left it on a cliffhanger this week.

Sarcasm correct?

[SaiST]

Nah, you were totally spoiled. CoonDawg's a total spoilin' douche.

It's a good thing he didn't mention that Ikki is not only Sora's long lost clone brother, but that they're both clones of old man Minami.

omg wewps

... :B

[Deputy Myself]

holy shit John Ohama

[8ghosts]

Sarcasm correct?

nah

that was the last straw for me

nike impregnating kururu is just...that shit doesnt even belong in a shonen
that shit is seinen bs :oh

kururu lost her innocence to an a hole :cry

[Deputy Myself]

so who thinks the manga will continue after the upcoming tournament ends?

[Agmaster]

What tournament?

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

wow... y would you guys spoil it all for biolink? and u all forgot the fact that Ringo gives up on Ikki and gets wit Kilik

[Deputy Myself]

youknow, the tower and the blablabla regalia blablabla Sora twins vs sleeping forest all that

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

Mayb not, since the "top" of the tower really is the end. I mean it'll probably will go on to explain how everything gets straightened out after whoever gets the sky regalia (most likely Ikki) but I doubt there'll be anything more to write about after Ikki gets his "freedom" and discovers his true wings.

[Deputy Myself]

how about the whole Genesis children thing

there's still Genesis children being made, probably test sights still left across the globe. What's to stop the scientists from creating new Regalia?

[isanon]

how about the whole Genesis children thing

there's still Genesis children being made, probably test sights still left across the globe. What's to stop the scientists from creating new Regalia?
didnt the labb where they where made got destroyed ??

[Athrum]

It's Gravity Children. The manga will probably finish after the end of the tournament, OG said he was aiming for around 300 chapters anyway.

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

Yea, that whole drama will be straightened out after the tournament because ppl lik nue are fighting the tournament just for the gravity children. Like i said before there'll probably be a couple of more chapters after the tournament just to straighten EVERYTHING out

[Biolink]

Yeah Kazu is dead alright :)

Anyway WTF.

Was Iron Clock double-crossing them the entire time?

[Six]

Yeah Kazu is dead alright :)

Anyway WTF.

Was Iron Clock double-crossing them the entire time?Well, it's still uncertain if that person really is aeon. :laugh

Air Gear likes twins as it seems.

[Biolink]

Well, it's still uncertain if that person really is aeon. :laugh

Air Gear likes twins as it seems.

OMGZ a Skrull :awesome

[insomniac666]

I just want the Gram Scale to happen, take up a huge number of chapters, (you know that there is gonna be time within the tournament for plenty of training arcs and flashbacks), clean up the story afterwards and then end because with all the gravity children and other crazy ass random stuff, there would just be too much mind fucking for AG to continue to be good

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

It's Gravity Children. The manga will probably finish after the end of the tournament, OG said he was aiming for around 300 chapters anyway.

o rly??? Did he say this during an interview or something like that???

I was hoping that manga go on till about 350-375. Maybe even 400. But that might just be ridiculous.

[insomniac666]

^^^I agree, I never like a manga to end, but I love this one too much to ask for more than I think OG can realistically pull off without messing it up

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

One thing I noticed is that at the end of the spitfire/aeon clock vs nike/sora fight, was that aeon clock got a huge whole in his hand by the end of the fight. I double/triple checked, and this aeon clock doesn't haven any issues in his hands. IDK if its aeon clock or not, but i know sumthing is fishing, lik the possibility of a twin like Six said, Aeon clock's not a gravity child(might be wrong, didnt check) so who knows

[Gutsu]

I need something that needs to be cleared up. The whole tuning thing involves sex right? Guess that explains why Kururu seems a bit hesistant to do the tuning same with that bitch err I mean Ringo. Hope Ikki and Kururu do end up doing that both will get a happy end if you know what I mean. :amuse

[Jicksy]

I need something that needs to be cleared up. The whole tuning thing involves sex right? Guess that explains why Kururu seems a bit hesistant to do the tuning same with that bitch err I mean Ringo. Hope Ikki and Kururu do end up doing that both will get a happy end if you know what I mean. :amuse

dont think they have to have sex, unless ive forgotten something...

donk they just get nekkid and attach wiring etc that links 'em together?

[bravin_time]

I need something that needs to be cleared up. The whole tuning thing involves sex right? Guess that explains why Kururu seems a bit hesistant to do the tuning same with that bitch err I mean Ringo. Hope Ikki and Kururu do end up doing that both will get a happy end if you know what I mean. :amuse

Tuning involves the tuner wearing a see-through, skin tight suit (which makes them practically naked) and feeling up the king's body....... or some shit like that, in reality its just a plot device for OG to draw some boobies and make a tonne of sexual innuendo jokes

[insomniac666]

@t2t: yeah but I think what actually happened was aeon created a mirage and was actually tricking spitfire while they fought. The whole mirage thing was shown when nike sent shards of rock at spit and aeon and then their bodies turned out to not be real

[Gutsu]

Tuning involves the tuner wearing a see-through, skin tight suit (which makes them practically naked) and feeling up the king's body....... or some shit like that, in reality its just a plot device for OG to draw some boobies and make a tonne of sexual innuendo jokes

Reall? Looked like they were doing it especially in the previous scene between Sora and what's her name don't mean the one a few chapters back it was around after she was first around with Sora.

[KuronoX54]

I just hope Kazu gets his Regalia back

[CoonDawg]

Reall? Looked like they were doing it especially in the previous scene between Sora and what's her name don't mean the one a few chapters back it was around after she was first around with Sora.

No no, she's a whore, she's been sucking him off for months. Several chapters back she said she slept with him, purely because no one wanted her. She was going to do the same for Ikki, but he saw her uselessness for what it is.

Tuning involves no sex.

[Jicksy]

theres no new chapter this week for those that didnt know...

is the break only for one week though? lol

[KuronoX54]

No no, she's a whore, she's been sucking him off for months. Several chapters back she said she slept with him, purely because no one wanted her. She was going to do the same for Ikki, but he saw her uselessness for what it is.

Tuning involves no sex.
Seriously I always thoughing involved sex

[CoonDawg]

Seriously I always thoughing involved sex

Well that would be pretty fucked up, since the little girl (I forget her name) no doubt has a tuner. That would be loli, am I not correct?

Secondly, Ringo wouldn't have had a fit over Kanon kissing her, would she? Considering they'd have been in a sexual relationship. You can hardly swoon over someone else, hoping for a first kiss with them, when you're screwing someone else in a tower night and day.

[moocifer]

I just hope Kazu gets his Regalia back

I doubt he will any time soon. I think Sano took it to use for himself, and that means the only way he'd get it back is through the tournament.

Also, when is Yayoi going to join TTT already :mad

[Six]

Well that would be pretty fucked up, since the little girl (I forget her name) no doubt has a tuner. That would be loli, am I not correct?

Secondly, Ringo wouldn't have had a fit over Kanon kissing her, would she? Considering they'd have been in a sexual relationship. You can hardly swoon over someone else, hoping for a first kiss with them, when you're screwing someone else in a tower night and day.Doesn't that simply mean that they don't have a sexual relationship and that ringo is as pure a girl as she think she may be? Otherwise she wouldn't be acting like that over kanon's surprise kiss.

tuning might look sexual but in the end its not literal. :neutral

Coondawg, read Black Lagoon instead, click my sig for more info. :nod

[blacklusterseph004]

I hope Kazu doesn't get his regalia that soon, since the true kings are skilled with all their infinity atmosphere tricks without the regalia. Mastering the After Burner trick was a big step, but there is still a lot he can learn before he is truly ready to get the regalia back. As it seems to panning out, he'll have to beat Sano before he can get them, and Sano is looking pretty dnagerous these days.

[CoonDawg]

Doesn't that simply mean that they don't have a sexual relationship and that ringo is as pure a girl as she think she may be? Otherwise she wouldn't be acting like that over kanon's surprise kiss.

tuning might look sexual but in the end its not literal. :neutral

Coondawg, read Black Lagoon instead, click my sig for more info. :nod

Didn't you just totally agree with what I said? Even though you are, you speak as if contradicting me. I think you missed my point. REREED PLZ.

[blackness]

Tuning involves the tuner wearing a see-through, skin tight suit (which makes them practically naked) and feeling up the king's body....... or some shit like that, in reality its just a plot device for OG to draw some boobies and make a tonne of sexual innuendo jokes

Quoted for truth!

[KuronoX54]

I hope Kazu doesn't get his regalia that soon, since the true kings are skilled with all their infinity atmosphere tricks without the regalia. Mastering the After Burner trick was a big step, but there is still a lot he can learn before he is truly ready to get the regalia back. As it seems to panning out, he'll have to beat Sano before he can get them, and Sano is looking pretty dnagerous these days.
True, in hindsight he shouldn't get them back yet but I hope he gets the chance to earn them back. On a different note Air Gear should get manga of the month next month.

[Jicksy]

True, in hindsight he shouldn't get them back yet but I hope he gets the chance to earn them back. On a different note Air Gear should get manga of the month next month.

if enough ppl vote for it... which so far has not happened

never know though lol

[PhantomX]

I didn't think there were that many Air Gear readers.

[KuronoX54]

if enough ppl vote for it... which so far has not happened

never know though lol
If not we can always use dupes that's wat Gantz did jk.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

Reall? Looked like they were doing it especially in the previous scene between Sora and what's her name don't mean the one a few chapters back it was around after she was first around with Sora.

You guys misunderstood Gutsu...I know he brought up the idea that tuning is sex but the quoted part actually references a completely different scene...

In this scene, I believe Gutsu is referencing a possible sex scene between Sora and Rika...

if u remember, Sora takes Kilik to meet Rika and Kilik is instantly swept of his feet. Kilik has always held a soft spot for Rika in his heart since the moment he saw her.

But as we know, Rika was Sora's girl. And yes, I believe that Rika had sex with Sora...

I'll post the pages...

http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/154/08/

^^^ In this page, Sora and Rika are about to share a kiss...

http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/154/09/

^^^ As we see on the next page, Kilik was watching Sora and Rika. If you look closely at one of the top-left panels, you will notice that u can make out two silhouettes: one of Sora (on top) and Rika (on the bottom). Most of you are of age and could probably guess what sex position they are in. I think there is a reason why that panel is darkened; OG wanted to give the impression that something (hint, hint, nudge, nudge) intimate and physical was happening between them.

As for the whole mini-debate over whether tuning involves sex...I do not believe it does. It is just a clever way, as someone pointed out before me, for OG to draw some butt-naked chicks...not that I am complaining. But yes, tuning is a very intimate and physical process; but no, I do not believe that tuning involves or requires sex.

[spaZ]

Why the fuck would they fuck on a building or whatever like that than?

[Death]

Rika was a king/queen of the thorn road. She was not a tunner. So yes they could have had sex. Gutsu is probably talking about sora and that tunner they stole. She was sucking him off and he told her not to do anything but what she was there to do. That being tunning.

[CoonDawg]

Damn fine eye Studmuffin, I never saw that (I'd have remembered). However, I wish they hadn't added that, I liked the openness of that (I remember someone (Ikki, I think) asking how far Sora got with Rika. But meh, she's a bit of a whore anyway).

I think I rmemeber someone saying that tuning is "like" sex but it definitely isn't sex. That would simply not make much sense.

Besides, notice this: http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/120/24-25/
See how there's zero blushing when she says that? Remember, the Japanese blush if you so much as blink at them. If tuning meant sex, wouldn't what she have just said be translated into 'Allow me to be Ikki's sex muffin"?

Also, this: http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/109/09/ Again, notice that he says it in a perverted way and she basically says the way he says it is weird (aKa not true). Tuning definitely gets intimate, and he most likely does know more about her body than even herself, but his weewee isn't going anywhere near here hoohoo.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

Why the fuck would they fuck on a building or whatever like that than?

o rly SpaZ?

I am an undergrad at UCLA. And I GUARANTEE that teenagers f-ing on a building/under a bridge is nothing compared to some of the stuff I have seen and heard...

frat parties = animal houses

Damn fine eye Studmuffin, I never saw that (I'd have remembered). However, I wish they hadn't added that, I liked the openness of that (I remember someone (Ikki, I think) asking how far Sora got with Rika. But meh, she's a bit of a whore anyway).

I think I rmemeber someone saying that tuning is "like" sex but it definitely isn't sex. That would simply not make much sense.

Thank u...I try...

but yeah...the quote you were trying to reference is the following:
"tuning is like falling in love."

It is said in the following page... http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/182/07/

And yes, like u and others have said...I believe that tuning (between a king and a tuner) is physical and intimate but not (necessarily) sexual.

[spaZ]

Haha I was drunk when I posted that, didn't make all that much sense lol.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ rly now?!?!?!?...I had u figured for a prude...guess I was wrong.

[@lk3mizt]

wait..

is sex a requirement for tuning or not!?

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ No...it isn't.

Why? Simple.

Most of you are seeing tuning as a relationship between a guy and a girl. Often, the guy is the king and the girl is the tuner. One exception is Ringo and Kanon. Therefore, some of you are caught in the mindset that tuning is a heterosexual relationship.

Not the case...

Recall that during the White Wolves Arc (~170s - mid-180s)...we are introduced to a dark-skinned female sprinter who was "tuned" by Ine Makigami, the former female Pledge King. In this case, the relationship was girl-girl or same-sex.

Now...let's go back to the idea of sex...it is usually done for 3 reasons:
1. To procreate
2. To show/demonstrate love
3. To fulfill a natural urge...normal/abnormal...acceptable/perverted

Tuning has nothing to do with any of those reasons. Tuning simply requires physical proximity (to establish a synch) and hence, an intimate (but not sexual) relationship. Therefore, SEX IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR TUNING.

[@lk3mizt]

^ hm.. well done convincing me! :zaru

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

^^^ Thank you. I just hope this tuning=sex-or-not mini-debate comes to an end...soon.

[TecK - 2 - TorcH]

seriously... Nice argument stud_muffin22. I do feel that OG tends to over-sexualize a LOT of stuff, and it sometimes takes away from the story (imo). And I caught that scene between Rika and Sora too, and it was combination of that scene and her makin out wit kilik a few pages later that made me lose some respect for her.

Throughout the story of the past, she was only shown having relations, and never to this point, did they give anymore detail. I think that we're still suppose to believe that Rika is still in the dark. You would think that after Sora blows a helicopter out of the sky, it would become a little obvious that your boyfriend wasnt so great. And how bout the fact that he goes on a crzy road trip, and to this point, we're lead to believe that Rika still doesn't kno wats goin on, though he's been completely mia from her for weeks... IDK, i could juss OCD about the whole situation, but i think its weird

[KuronoX54]

People convinced me that tuning was not sexual on the last page

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

@T-2-T: Thank you for the praise...

But I think I've said this before...but I will say it again. Rika is not entirely in the dark. Her conversation with Kanon after he manipulated Ringo to fight Ikki strongly hinted that Rika at least knows why Genesis exists and what its plans/goals are.

[KuronoX54]

Does anyone know when the nominations for MOTM opens up?

[insomniac666]

seriously... Nice argument stud_muffin22. I do feel that OG tends to over-sexualize a LOT of stuff, and it sometimes takes away from the story (imo).
OG over-sexualizes everything, Tenjou Tenge is almost all sex

But yeah, why would you think that tuning is sex, wouldn't the suit kinda stop all that:huh, and anyway it seemed kinda obvious

As for Rika, I liked her a lot but now that I see that she may or may not have screwed Sora, well I lost respect for her there, and Kilik falling in love with her is so cliche also. Though on that note, did Kilik make out with her to spite sora, or did he just use that as an excuse. If I remember right, a few pages before he did that, didn't he say something about taking away everything that belonged to Sora. I dunno, but that's my two cents.

[8ghosts]

I always thought Rika was a dumb bitch for some reason

I really lost all respect I had for her when I saw her mans is a psycho
so now she's a dumb slut